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S6 E26 _ The Tragedy of Dr. Chris Dawson - Part 2 _ True Crime & Wine Time Podcast · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to True Crime and Wine Time. I'm Terry and
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  Speaker 1: I'm Mama. Tonight we are uncorking the truth why one
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  Speaker 1: of the darkest crimes and breaking it down together with.
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  Speaker 2: You one case, one conversation, and one or maybe two
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  Speaker 2: glasses of wine. It's taking a job. It's time to
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  Speaker 2: get comfortable and double check those locks before we just started.
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  Speaker 1: So let's take a sip and dive in. Hello, Hello, Hello,
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  Speaker 1: Happy Thursday night. I know I have to tell you.
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  Speaker 1: It's nice to be on camera with you instead of
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  Speaker 1: just watching you.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that kind of the way you hear on the
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  Speaker 2: other side.
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  Speaker 1: It is because I'm yelling at you and I have
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  Speaker 1: so many comments and inputs, and I'm like this is
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  Speaker 1: it's like this way. She doesn't want you coming on
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  Speaker 1: too often because you got too much to say.
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  Speaker 2: Terry Lynn lies, lies, lies, lies.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm happy to be back, so I have too.
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  Speaker 1: But I have to tell you your Laura Owen stuff
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  Speaker 1: over on couch Court. It's wack a doodle. It is
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  Speaker 1: bona fide wack adoodle.
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  Speaker 2: It is there is more wack adoodle of news that
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  Speaker 2: came today. I'm just it's never ending.
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  Speaker 1: So never ending. Hello, lady and Gray. I'm glad you
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  Speaker 1: put your mod hat on. I just need to know
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  Speaker 1: what color.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't well, not pink probably Hello Mama Lama, Hello.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, Mama Lama.
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  Speaker 2: A dynamic duo.
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  Speaker 1: I say, cheese. That dog is adorable. She she posted
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  Speaker 1: over on the discord and I think it's an her
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  Speaker 1: little thing. Oh my god, so freaking cute. I love that.
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  Speaker 1: And here comes Buffy weekeed hats.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, hats, party hats, party hats for everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Why it's Thursday night, It's Thursday, and it's been a week.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it's been two weeks in just four days.
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  Speaker 1: It really does.
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  Speaker 2: It does feel that way. Mike, we're almost to the
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  Speaker 2: finish line. We're almost there. We're almost there, Terry, we are.
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  Speaker 1: Now, before we get into all of this, I just
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  Speaker 1: need you to remind everybody what you're doing on Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, Saturday on our YouTube channel True Crime and
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  Speaker 2: Wine Time, which I guess if you're listening to this pod,
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of late notice. But what I will be
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  Speaker 2: doing is a twelve hour megastream fundraiser for Mike Marucini,
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  Speaker 2: one of the many victims of Laura Owens she is
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  Speaker 2: still battling him in court over ten years of this
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  Speaker 2: quite frankly bull shit, and so we are raising money
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  Speaker 2: because of course she's tried to take things down.
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  Speaker 1: Appeal.
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  Speaker 2: If you have no idea when I say the word
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  Speaker 2: named Laura Owens, bless you one but two, get your
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  Speaker 2: butt over to our YouTube channel, find our Laura Owens
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  Speaker 2: playlist and start what it's worth it It is, every
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  Speaker 2: single second is insane.
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  Speaker 1: It will about yourself and the stupid decisions you made
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  Speaker 1: when you were young. I mean, it's made me. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, wow, I thought I was really bad for
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  Speaker 1: doing you know, like breaking into a guy's you know call,
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  Speaker 1: because back then you had to ask the operator to
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  Speaker 1: break in because we didn't have Paul waiting kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm like, I thought it was horrible for that.
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  Speaker 1: And then you hear about Laura Owens. I was an angel, Honey,
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  Speaker 1: I was an angel.
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  Speaker 2: It's an absolutely unbelievable, very true story that's still ongoing
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  Speaker 2: to this day. So if you don't know who I'm
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  Speaker 2: talking about, go google it, then pop over and watch
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  Speaker 2: our coverage of that. But Saturday, we have a twelve
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  Speaker 2: hour fundraiser. There's gonna be a ton of content creators
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  Speaker 2: on non content creators auctions. It's going to be such
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  Speaker 2: a blast. I'm so excited. That's also where I'm so
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  Speaker 2: tired right now.
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  Speaker 1: I know what I'm most excited about. And I was
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  Speaker 1: telling DOUBLEHS on our way back from the VET, I said,
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  Speaker 1: can you believe Lama is doing twelve hours live streaming?
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  Speaker 1: I was like, getting her to do one episode was
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  Speaker 1: like pulling fingernails and toenails. Now she's doing twelve hours.
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  Speaker 1: Twelve hours. I haven't even signed up to do something
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  Speaker 1: like that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, see, the problem is is that the there is
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  Speaker 2: ambitious Lama, and she loves coming up with grand Ida.
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  Speaker 1: On camera.
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  Speaker 2: Like let's go for it. And then you know the
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  Speaker 2: future Lama is very pissed at her, like, girl, you're
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  Speaker 2: not the one who has to do this. I do,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm tired. I'm anxious that I'm nervous, But no,
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna be great. I'm so excited about it. Cause
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  Speaker 2: an absolutely great cause, Like if you hear these men's story,
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  Speaker 2: you will not believe it. You'll be like this, how
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  Speaker 2: this couldn't even get worse?
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  Speaker 1: This person, don't say that, don't say that. It does
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  Speaker 1: so Okay, that's a merch idea that just gave me
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  Speaker 1: some things. Lick send me that on the discord chat.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm in the car next week.
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  Speaker 2: I know she does say nice things about me every
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  Speaker 2: once in a while.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes, Well I have you now, Lick. I'm gonna have
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  Speaker 1: to call out. Lick called me out today when I
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  Speaker 1: offered to be an auctioneer to auction off someone who
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  Speaker 1: was on the computer lea kid, and I offered to
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  Speaker 1: be the auctioneer, and Lick goes, you can't because you
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  Speaker 1: would be bidding. I mean, okay, Link, Lick called me out.
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  Speaker 2: I love that. Well, congratulations Kelly, and you remember versary
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  Speaker 2: for fifteen months. So happy to have you with us
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  Speaker 2: this whole time.
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  Speaker 1: That's O. Excuse me.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you guys before we begin, If you're watching us
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  Speaker 2: the line. I'm tired.
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  Speaker 1: I'm leaving on a two week vacation and normally I
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  Speaker 1: impact three days before. I haven't even gotten the suitcase
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  Speaker 1: down yet. Oh girl, I have a packing list which
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  Speaker 1: is two pages, but I haven't packed, and I have
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  Speaker 1: a full day tomorrow. And I love it.
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  Speaker 2: You have a packing a two page packing list. I
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  Speaker 2: love you. You are Thatt.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's everything, So you do your packing list everything
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  Speaker 1: from the floor up. So I started the floor and
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  Speaker 1: then I go up, and then I do each activity
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  Speaker 1: in each day. So I'm a little weird. Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 1: a little weird, But that's okay. I will get packed
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  Speaker 1: tonight right after this show. Okay, right after the show.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to pack, I promise.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Terry. They can also become a member of our
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  Speaker 2: Just click the joining button and pick which tier works
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  Speaker 2: best for you. So why don't you, Why don't you
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  Speaker 2: just tell us what you're drinking tonight? How about that?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's just go there. So I am drinking
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  Speaker 1: La Crema seven Young Blanc thirteen point five percent alcohol
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  Speaker 1: by volume. And this is what I've had so far.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's quite a lot of I'm missing from the bottle.
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  Speaker 2: If you're listening to this as a.
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  Speaker 1: Podcast, did you I did? I just talked O girl
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  Speaker 1: code have not that it's been a rough day, A
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars at the VET.
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  Speaker 2: That's rough for anybody. Well, tonight, I'm just having a
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  Speaker 2: cold Coca cola. Somebody's got to steer the ship tonight.
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  Speaker 1: So let's be honest. You just have a lot of
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  Speaker 1: work to do tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Still, Well, it's absolutely true, absolutely true. It's like, nope,
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  Speaker 2: not tonight, Lama M and I have grapes. I have
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of grapes here, So it's kind of wine.
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  Speaker 2: Are they doing stages of wine.
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  Speaker 1: Like refrigerated wines? Have you ever put them in the
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  Speaker 1: freeze or no light, not refrigerator, but in the freezer.
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  Speaker 1: But you soak them an alcohol, you freeze them and
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  Speaker 1: then you roll them in sugar and you eat them
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  Speaker 1: and they pop with the alcohol like I usually filled
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  Speaker 1: with vodka, or you can do it with white wine.
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  Speaker 1: It's on a hot day out by the pool. It's
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  Speaker 1: like a little cold burst.
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  Speaker 2: No, but they are very cold because I keep my
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  Speaker 2: fridge pretty coold. But I got green ones. I got
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  Speaker 2: the black grapes, which are my personal favorite kind of whips. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: black grapes.
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  Speaker 1: I only know of red and green. Those are blueberries, honey.
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  Speaker 2: No, they're grapes. This is way bigger than a blueberry. Terry. No,
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  Speaker 2: they're black grapes, and they're my favorite of all the grapes.
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  Speaker 1: And that looks blue, not black. But that's okay. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't name them, Terry. I've had wine, okay, But now
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  Speaker 1: that we know what you're not drinking.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, no us to coke for me tonight. So let's
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  Speaker 2: move along now.
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  Speaker 1: Shall we. So tonight we're going to cover part two
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  Speaker 1: of the tragedy of doctor Chris Dawson, but before we
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  Speaker 1: begin today's story, we need to take a moment for
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  Speaker 1: something important. This episode deals directly and deeply with suicide, depression, addiction,
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  Speaker 1: and mental health struggles. And if these topics feel too
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  Speaker 1: heavy or too close to home right now, please take
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  Speaker 1: care of yourself first, Okay. There is no judgment in
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  Speaker 1: stepping away. In fact, we will applaud you for stepping
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  Speaker 1: away and protecting your space, okay, because we'll be here
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  Speaker 1: when you're ready. And for those choosing to stay with us,
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  Speaker 1: we believe these conversations matter. You know, we cannot shine
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  Speaker 1: a light on a crisis if we're unwilling to talk
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  Speaker 1: about it, and some stories are difficult to hear, but
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  Speaker 1: they also give us an opportunity to better understand the
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  Speaker 1: struggles that so many people quietly carry behind closed doors.
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  Speaker 1: And tonight's case is heartbreaking, it's also very complex, and
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  Speaker 1: it is also a reminder that the battles people face
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  Speaker 1: are most often not visible to the outside world. And
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  Speaker 1: as we tell this story, we encourage you to listen
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  Speaker 1: with empathy and to check it on the people you love,
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  Speaker 1: and to remember that asking for help is absolutely never
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  Speaker 1: a sign of weakness. It's a sign of strength, absolutely
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  Speaker 1: So grab a drink, grab your blankie. I got mine too,
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  Speaker 1: and we are going to you know, a closer look
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  Speaker 1: at the tragic story of doctor Christawsen and the families
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  Speaker 1: whose lives were forever changed. That's right.
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  Speaker 2: And if you are someone you know is struggling with
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  Speaker 2: mental health, depression, or thoughts of self harm, please reach out.
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  Speaker 2: You can call or text the Suicide and Crisis Line
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  Speaker 2: at nine A eight or text home h O M
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  Speaker 2: E two seven four one seven four one for the
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  Speaker 2: crisis text line. Also, if you are experiencing coercive control, isolation,
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  Speaker 2: or domestic abuse, help is also available of the National
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  Speaker 2: Domestic Violence Hotline by calling one eight hundred seven nine
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  Speaker 2: nine safe seven two three three or texting start STA
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  Speaker 2: r T to eight eight seven eight eight no eight
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  Speaker 2: eight seven eight eight. I think I said an extra
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  Speaker 2: eight my apologies.
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  Speaker 1: And we did. I am sorry, but we may have
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  Speaker 1: to fire some of our loved members and people in chat.
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  Speaker 1: It's one hundred degrees in NORCLSA. No blank it for me, honey,
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  Speaker 1: it was ninety four here with our heat in Dixon humidity.
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  Speaker 1: It was one hundred and four. I still have a blanket.
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  Speaker 1: It's not covered up, but I still have it here
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  Speaker 1: to cuddle and I'm in the house with it cold.
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  Speaker 1: So still grab your blanket just to rub your fingers on. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: don't have to put it on your body. Just need
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  Speaker 1: to verify that. So if you are just joining us,
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  Speaker 1: you need to pause this episode right now. Stop what
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  Speaker 1: you're doing. Unless you're here live, go back to part
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  Speaker 1: one of this story. And for those of you who
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  Speaker 1: are caught up, let's recap the heavy ground that we've
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  Speaker 1: already walked so last week.
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  Speaker 2: We will tarry, but I know the story. Stut to
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  Speaker 2: behind the manicured lawns and twinkly holiday lights of North
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  Speaker 2: Richland Hills, Texas, to look at the devastating case of
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  Speaker 2: doctor Christopher Dawson. Now to the outside world, Chris was
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  Speaker 2: the poster child for the American dream, a brilliant up
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  Speaker 2: and coming surgeon married to his college sweetheart Rachel, who
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  Speaker 2: was a dedicated, nicky nurse. Together, they shared two beautiful,
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  Speaker 2: fiercely loved children, nine year old Luke, who was a
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  Speaker 2: fearless soccer loving adventurer, and five year old Aubrey or
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  Speaker 2: Bree as her family called her, who was and sounded
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  Speaker 2: very much like a vibrant little princess packed with pure,
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  Speaker 2: unadulterated sass. The two adorable children.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah and I love that, okay. But behind the surgeon mask,
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  Speaker 1: Chris was finding a quiet, suffocating war with severe depression
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  Speaker 1: and crippling anxiety. Trapped in a high stakes medical culture,
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  Speaker 1: or seeking psychiatric help carries a career ending stigma. Chris
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  Speaker 1: and that secretly self medicated because he was too terrified
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  Speaker 1: to ask for a lifeline now.
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  Speaker 2: When his life began to fracture under the weight of
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  Speaker 2: severe marital turmoil and the sudden public humiliation of losing
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  Speaker 2: his prestigious surgical job after just six weeks, the walls
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  Speaker 2: began to collapse, and on the morning of December ninth,
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  Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, the mask slipped off for the final catastrophic time.
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  Speaker 2: In a state of extreme psychological collapse, Chris used a
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  Speaker 2: semi automatic shotgun purchased just the day before to take
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  Speaker 2: the lives of Luke and Brie before turning the weapon
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  Speaker 2: on himself, and it was an unspeakable tragedy that left
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  Speaker 2: their quiet suburban block shattered and left a graving mother
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  Speaker 2: standing in an act going empty home. That just.
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  Speaker 1: So, we ended last week's episode with a haunting realization
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  Speaker 1: that doctor Chris Dawson didn't stay silent because he didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to get better, guys. He stayed silent because he
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  Speaker 1: was terrified that a mental health paper troll could permanently
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  Speaker 1: destroy the career he had sacrificed his youth to build.
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  Speaker 1: Before we continue with today's episode, we wanted to take
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  Speaker 1: a moment to address something we mentioned during part one
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  Speaker 1: of the Tragedy of Chris Dawson last week. Now, during
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  Speaker 1: that episode, we shared that we planned to discuss the
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  Speaker 1: Physician's Health Program or it's often called the PHP system
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  Speaker 1: and its possible connection to some of the broader issues
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  Speaker 1: surrounding physician wellness and mental health. Since that episode aired,
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  Speaker 1: we have had several individuals who reached out to share information, experiences,
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  Speaker 1: and perspective on this topic.
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  Speaker 2: Now, we know some of you may have been expecting
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  Speaker 2: that portion of today's episode, and we never take it
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  Speaker 2: lightly when we have to change course after announcing something.
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  Speaker 2: If you know me, I literally do not like doing
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  Speaker 2: that unless it is of the utmost importance. And we
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  Speaker 2: also believe that when new information comes forward, that it
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  Speaker 2: is our responsibility to slow down, listen, ask questions, and
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  Speaker 2: do the research necessarily necessary to fully understand what we're
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  Speaker 2: discussing before presenting it to our audience. And we take
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  Speaker 2: our jobs very seriously when we have microphones, right. And so,
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  Speaker 2: the Physician Health Program system is a complex topic that
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  Speaker 2: affects physicians, healthcare professionals, their families, and their careers. And
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  Speaker 2: it is also a subject that impacts thousands of people
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  Speaker 2: across the country. And because of that, we do not
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  Speaker 2: want to oversimplify it or reduce it to a single case,
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  Speaker 2: or discuss it without taking the time to understand the
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  Speaker 2: many different experiences and viewpoints that exists with it. And
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  Speaker 2: so this issue is also personal for some members of
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: our TCWT team, and that personal connection makes us even
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  Speaker 2: more committed to approaching this topic thoughtfully, fairly, and with
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  Speaker 2: empathy for everyone involved. So there will be a day,
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  Speaker 2: but it will be a day now.
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  Speaker 1: But at TCWT Media belief people matter more than the headlines, okay,
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  Speaker 1: And while today's episode focuses on Chris Dawson's story, that
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  Speaker 1: broader conversation surrounding PHPs deserves its own careful attention. I mean, guys,
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  Speaker 1: it's a big deal and it is something that needs
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  Speaker 1: to be out there, but it needs to be done
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  Speaker 1: the right way. For that reason, we are pressing pause
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  Speaker 1: on this portion of the discussion. We will continue gathering information,
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  Speaker 1: reviewing sources, and listening to those who have reached out
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  Speaker 1: to us. We have already spoken to a couple of
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  Speaker 1: amazing individuals that I think Lama will agree with me.
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  Speaker 1: They they grabbed my heart. They grabbed my heart. So
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  Speaker 1: if and when we choose to cover this topic in
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  Speaker 1: the future, it will be because we believe we can
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  Speaker 1: do so in a way that is balanced, informed, and
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  Speaker 1: respectful of the many people's who lives have been touched
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  Speaker 1: by these programs, and also not damage anyone that we
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  Speaker 1: love dearly.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I say, we still encourage people to reach
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  Speaker 2: out to us. Yet please, experiences, We're not This is
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  Speaker 2: again the word pause. It's a pause, So please, if
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  Speaker 2: you have any experiences, do reach out to Terry or
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  Speaker 2: myself at Terry at TCWT, T E R I One
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  Speaker 2: rt at tcwtmedia dot com or Tara t A r
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  Speaker 2: A at tcwtmedia dot com as well. And we really
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  Speaker 2: do appreciate everyone who has contacted us, who share their
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  Speaker 2: experience and trusted us with their stories. We very much
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  Speaker 2: hold that, very deeply and seriously. So. Some topics, though,
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  Speaker 2: are simply too important to rush, and this is one
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  Speaker 2: of them. So with that, let's get into finishing the
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: story though, of doctor Chris Dawson's story, in the story
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: of his family.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Now, before you start, sure, Kelly, I am not going
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: to live stream from NAPA if I've had more than
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: two glasses of WI. Just putting it out there, okay,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: just telling everybody you're safe, putting it in the chat lama, Okay,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: all right.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: So, in the immediate wake of an unspeakable crying, the
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: world usually demands a monster. We look for a villain
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: to anchor our rage. But what happened next in this
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: story defies the standard true crime script. It is an
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: act of radical, almost unfathomable grace.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: It was Rachel Guys, the mother who had just lost everything,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: the woman who had been systematically isolated and controlled, who
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: sat down to write her husband's obituary, and she did
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: so with the full blessing of Chris's parents. I can't imagine,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: and I can't either, un listeners, I want you fit
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: with that for a minute, And I want you to
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: think about it, because try to imagine channeling a grief
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: that heavy and anger that fears. I mean, this is
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: a Mama bear in choosing to write the absolute raw truth,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I mean exposing yourself that is like a huge exposure.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: And Rachel didn't try to hide how her family died,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: and she didn't pain over the darkness.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: So the obituary published in the Fort Worth Star Telegram
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: stated clearly that Christopher Chad Dawson lost his long, brutal
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: battle with severe depression. It explained that after years of
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: silently suffering from anxiety, a suffocating depression to cold and
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Chris was simply unable to escape its grip. The text
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: read quote on Saturday morning, while not in his right mind,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: he did the unimaginable. But that was not the Chris
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: his family and friends knew and loved.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: In those fewsed words, Rachel did something extraordinary. With her
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: medical background as a nurse, she recognized that severe depression, anxiety,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: and untreated substance abuse can lead a person into a
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: complete break from reality, and she separated the diversase from
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: the man she had known, refusing to allow the final
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: horrific chapter of his life to raise the loving father,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: respected surgeon, and complex human being he had once been.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Now the community rallied around Rachel and her unimaginable grief,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: and a gofunding campaign was established to help with funeral
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: expenses and rebuilding a wife that had been shattered in
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: an instant.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, for those of us that our spouses have
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: been spouses and our mothers or fathers, that says a
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: lot about the person Rachel is. And I mean she
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: could have taken a different route totally, But guys, the
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: most powerful reminder of Luke and Bree's lives can be
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: found in a Texas cemetery, where a monument stands not
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: as a reminder of how they died, but as a
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: celebration of how they lived.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: So the marker features their smiling faces and a tribute
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: to the special bond they shared as brother and sister,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: and at its heart is a photograph of the two
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: children dancing together, capturing a moment of pure childhood joy.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: And it is huge. Now there, it is right, I.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Mean, they can go look it up. We didn't want
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: to show the picture, but it is absolutely stunning and
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I have to say, since I'm going to be in
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Dallas this weekend, I may have to stop by and
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: take some flowers.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: It's gorgeous.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: It's gorgeous. It is now.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: There is no mention of the violence that ended their lives,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: but instead it serves as a lasting testament to their
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: love and their laughter and the bright futures they should
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: have had. You know, how do you survive when the
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: life you built disappears overnight? How do you move forward
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: after enduring a loss still profound that it seems impossible
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: to carry. For Rachel Dawson, the answer has been to
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: transform grief into purpose.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Now today, Rachel continues to speak publicly about her experience,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: advocating for greater awareness surrounding domestic abuse and mental health struggles,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: and in her own words, through a lot of therapy,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: running God and signs from Heaven, I am still here
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: in sharing my story as awareness for domestic abuse because
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: it's not always physical before it's deadly, and more recently
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: for gun sense laws. Luke and Bree's lives will not
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: be lost in vain. Our story will make a difference,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: and I continue my one life is three living with
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: them in spirit.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: It's beautiful beautiful and honest the reality of the situation
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: she has to live every day. I think you know now.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Rachel's message reinforces that domestic abuse does not always begin
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: with physical violence. Control, manipulation, isolation, and emotional abuse can
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: be every bit as dangerous, and it's usually how it goes.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Her advocacy encourages others to recognize the warning signs before
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: tragedy strikes. And so as we close tonight's episode, we
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: return to the center of this story of family that
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: should still be together.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Luke and Bray would be teenagers today and Rachel should
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: be watching them grow. She should be celebrating milestones, graduations,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: first dates, proms, and planning for their future. Instead, she
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: carries their memories forward while working to ensure that their
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: lives continue to make a difference.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Chris Dawson's story is a very heartbreaking reminder to us
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: all okay, that mental illness, depression, anxiety, and substance abuse
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: can have devastating consequences when left untreated. It is also
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: a reminder that every behind every headline are real people
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: with real families, real struggles, and lives are forever changed. Guys.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I think that's important for everybody to take a moment
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: and listen to that, you know, because these are real people,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: these are real stories.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Now looking too, it doesn't matter what your career year is,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: the kind of house you live in, or none of
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: that matters when it comes to mental illness and substance
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: use and abuse, like there is nobody immune from it.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Because even teachers are scared to reach out, even police
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: officers are scared to reach out. It's especially here in
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: the South. You're raised to not show your weakness. You're
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: supposed to show your strength. You're supposed to be strong
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: or as my mom used to say, just stuck that inside.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Just stuck that inside. But guys, that doesn't make you
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: stronger to do that, Okay. Now, Luke and Bredolson deserved
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: to remember for who they were, not simply for the
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: tragedy that took them the way. Through Rachel's advocacy, their
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: memory continues to inspire conversations about mental health, domestic abuse awareness,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: and the importance of seeking help before a crisis comes irreversible.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: So tonight, raise your glass for Luke and for Bree
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: and for a mother's extraordinary determination to carry their light forward.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: And you know, we want to thank you all for
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: spending time with us, and to please look out for
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: one another. Okay, check in on the people you love,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: and never be afraid to ask for help when you
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: need it. Now, if you or someone you know is
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: struggling with mental health, depression or thought of self harm,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: please reach out. You're not alone. Honestly, talking to somebody
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: else who has been through it literally helps so much.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I wish there wasn't such a stigma about that because
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: I can stay Talking about it helped me out way
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: more than not talking about it. So you can. Yeah,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: you can call or texts the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: at nine a eight or text home h O M
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: to seven for one seven for one for the crisis
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: text line.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: And for people that are watching this are they're part
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: of our discord group of the Courtyard. There is a
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: lot of us in there that have struggled with mental
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: health issues, suicidal ideations, addiction issues. Don't feel ashamed to
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: send us a message or reach out at all, because
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: I can tell you I don't personally know anyone within
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: our group that would shame you or be like, oh,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: why are they doing that? Like I can just tell
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: you do it because I can tell you there's probably
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of our team that can say they're here
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: because they reached out to somebody and that person helped them.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Absolutely, You'll never convince me otherwise. My stringer, Solly.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Well, that's all of that. But since it was short tonight,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: and I know we talked a little bit about the
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: top of the show about what you're doing this weekend,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: I want to know what you personally are most excited
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: about for being on camera for twelve hours. And I
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: do want to let you know. I want you to
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: all that are watching this or if you're on the
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: replay crew, I want you to write down how much
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: time you think Wama will actually be on camera because
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: she's gonna need to take breaks. Guys, Oh yeah, okay,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: she needs to take food breaks, bio breaks, foggy breaks.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: But I want you all to think about that because
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: I think when we come back, everybody write it down.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: I'm going to ask people to submit and we are
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: going to give away a coloring or something.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, does that have to be like down to
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: the minute.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: What's the w whoever is closest to what it is?
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: So okay, because you have very many scheduled breaks, let's
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: just honey.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: We know life happens, like when a mouse comes or
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: a bee comes, or a snake comes in the house,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: or Zoe pulls her things or elbow feet needs a
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: tick inspection.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, say geese.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, she says, Lama's going to need to
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: stand in angle that camera like she's yellow, fake and
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: a twenty four pregnancy. Oh my god, stuffing.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: You saw a pillow under your shirt and stand up right?
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: But no, seriously, because I will be traveling for a
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: lot of it. But listen, water hydration, get up and
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: move around, take your legs around.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Her coffee and my money. I did say I would
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: not drink wine though, until halfway through at six pm,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: so there's no way I can.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: So, Laney, I am not packed. I don't want to
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: hear it. We're going to meet lady. I am Lany
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: and iol each other and we're staying at the same hotel.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Oh I did not know that we are. I have
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: a fine same hotel. So maybe we can get some
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: pull time pre drinks after drinks because doubleh is driving
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: on Sunday and since he doesn't drink much, he's like,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: drink whatever you want Saturday night because you can sleep
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: on Sunday. We've got an eleven hour drive.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, danger, danger. Oh I didn't know that.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: That's cool. Oh yeah, so cool. But what are you
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: most excited about?
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm really just most excited to talk to
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: a bunch of different people. I mean, that's going to
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: make it easier, right, because we're going to have new
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: people in like every half houred hour.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Water and mind money.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Thanks Stringer, I appreciate your super chat. Thank you. But
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: you know, because we're very new to this whole community,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: to this whole scene of the Laura Owens just for
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Clayton victims of Laura Owen's things. So there's so many
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: people on that have been around a lot longer. So
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear their stories and their viewpoints.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I know so many of the guests also have like
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: their own specialty focused and so I'm really excited to
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: learn and hear from them about that. You know, because
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: a case like this covers so many different areas, it
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: really does. So that's really what I'm most excited about,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: as you know, just hanging out having a casual conversation.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: That's what I like to do anyway, So.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: It's I just getting a bunch of friends over and
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: like what we did when we did the live show
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: in Ohio, just getting everybody over, hanging out, chatting and
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: then raising money or somebody. I mean, I mean that's
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: who I'm really most excited.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: But I.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Am excited about all of it. My dog is whimpering
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: because my other dogs are locked out. I am excited
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: for all of that, for you to get to meet
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: and to get to talk to everybody. But I'm most
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: excited to be able to help Mike.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: To think how many years I didn't realize how many
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: years it had been going on. I mean, he has
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: moved on with his life. I mean, we're talking about
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: an ex way in the background. We're not talking about
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: somebody from two years ago that he went out with,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: and that when I sat down on paper and did
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: the math, was like holy schmackers. Yeah.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: And today as we caught up with where they are
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: right now in real time, with everything, one hundred and
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: nine thousand dollars in legal fees just for this bs
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: dvro renewal that's totally baseless in all ways. I mean,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Laura Owens is facing fourteen felony counts right now for
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: perjury fraud evident like the whole shebang. Okay, And so
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: now she wants to take him for an appeal on
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: the things she couldn't show up to, which is going
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: to cost him another twenty to eighty thousand dollars in
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: legal fees. And then she has said, and I believe her,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: and many other people believe her, that she's going to
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: try to file a new DVR, which is several more
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: tens of thousands of dollars. And you know, Mike has
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: a very new young family. He has two little girl girls.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know exactly how old they are, but they
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: are small.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: You know, she doesn't need this or deserve it.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: No, she's taking money from children.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: He would rather go away. He's like, I don't my thoughts.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: He's like, I don't need this because I never want
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: to see you, speak to you or think of you again.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: You don't need to worry about keeping me away.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: M h.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: But the other thing that makes me mad all of
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: the women who have the right and deserve to follow
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: those and they need those. She is breaking the system
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: by crying wolf. She is that little girl crying wolf.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really gross. All around when she does. It's
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: a crazy story and that's for sure, but no, Yeah,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: to do something for that family who is still going
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: through this nightmare. And Laura's a lot of things, but
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: she he's definitely going to try to take out as much.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: She's very spiteful about the spiteful. I've never seen Sumption
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: as spiteful as her, to be quite honest with.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: You, I mean, I get being jealous or upset that
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: a guy doesn't want you. I get that. Let's be honest,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: We've all been there when this person that you like
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: they don't like you as much. This isn't how you
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: go about it. You show them what they lost, sweetheart,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing all of this batshit crazy. She is
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: taking away from all of this Women's Stringer Bell exactly well.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: And that's for those that are listening on the podcast.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: I have no idea what us and chat though, because
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: they're always on for couching Cord with Lama too. Like
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: That's the thing is, this woman has claimed to be
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: a victim of literally everything everything.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything she hasn't tried yet.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: No, and all of her stories are so baseless, so
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: unrealistic and so offensive and insulting to those who have
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: actually went through whatever it is, domestic violence, sexual assault, miscarriage, abortion,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: I mean literally name it. She has claimed to be
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: a epileps eating to name it doesn't matter. She's had
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: it all apparently, but it's all so unbelievable and.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Disgusting.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: And this is why nobody on the Internet likes Laura,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Like literally nobody.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: And I loved somebody in chat today on couch Court said,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: and you talked about it. Literally, Laura Owens has brought
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: people together on the Internet. The Internet doesn't agree on much,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: but I think they pretty much have decided. Laura Owens
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: is not the victim boo, She's not the victim. But
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: I mean she is taking away from women of domestic violence.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: She is taking away from more women who have had miscarriages.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: She is taking away from women who can't get.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Pregnant mm hmm.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: And she's I mean she, in my personal opinion, she
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: is breaking every role that protects women. I mean, she's
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: she's not good.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: So I'm very excited about the fundraiser. It is for
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: such a good cause. Even if you can't donate anything,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: sharing the info on social media is just as important
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: being there and support in the chat just as important,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: not only for us, but like for Mike as well. Also,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: if you want to leave any messages of support or
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: encouragement for him or his family, you can leave those
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: on our YouTube channel, community tab or post tab, or
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: email or social media on Discord social media. Terry has
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: all of social media before then, So it's a it's
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: very good cause I don't know how much money we're
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: going to raise, but you know what, whatever it is is,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: we're showing our money.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: We didn't have so money we didn't. I mean, yeah,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: as a person, you know, we've both been in situations
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: where you know, things like this have happened. It's a
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: love and support. It's not necessarily the monetary. The monetary
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: is great because it helps, but the love support, the messages.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really really does. It really really does.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: So do you have your snacks packed for your twelve hours? No?
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: But I do have my big bowl of grapes and more. Okay,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: because I'm sitting here thinking, God, I wished I live
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: closer to you, because I would make you a whole
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: little care package, just like I did for Jeffa's drive.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: I would have snacks to get you through morning, afternoon, evening.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: I would have drinks, so you would just have a
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: little tote with them.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: All. Oh, I will have that. I'll have chips, I
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: have okay, a couple bags of the eminem normal popped.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: I'll have waters, wine, coffee, red bulls, all of it,
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: my little nest.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Don't get thewis.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: I don't have twizzlers, but.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I only eat these during couch quart, so that's why
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: they're in my drawer. I can only eat them during couchquart.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Beef jerky for the protein to keep me going. That's true.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Now, I mean instead of taking bathroom breaks, if you
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: were a really dedicated person, you could be like astronauts
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: and race car drivers. What now, you could just wear
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: it depends.
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  Speaker 2: Nah. I love y'all so much and I am all
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: for the cause, but I'm not wearing a diaper. Okay,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: it's not happening. I don't care about anything that much
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  Speaker 2: to do that.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, guys, remember this is the woman who said if
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: elbow beat was lost out in the snow, she didn't
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: go on looking for it. If it was a blizzard,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: and if I'm walked outside with snakes, she didn't come
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: and to look for me. So, by bitch, you're dead.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Sorry about it.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: I tried to warn you about those snakes.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well I I know we've got a stream tomorrow
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: that we'll talk about it. But just for those that
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: aren't going to be there, I am very proud of you,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: thank you and everything with you starting this because it's
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: been a lot of work for you. Winks is help.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: There are so many people helping in the background. Yeah,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: that's true. It's it's not just I'm so proud of
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: you because it was your idea and you started it. Yeah. Yeah,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: And I just can't wait to do a twenty four hour.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: One that's never happening. I don't think that's ever happening.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Never say never, because then I will take that as
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: a challenge and I will do it on a day
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: that I know Buffy can you know, show up, slight,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: show up later.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: And have a kid several years ago not thinking about us,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: of course.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: I know, I mean selfish like that. He's a selfish
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: like that. We should have.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Foreseen our friendship eight years ago.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: And I am just proud of you because, like I said,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: when I mentioned the double h we're doing twelve hours,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: he went, are you sure? You didn't force her to.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: I'm like, it wasn't my idea. I did nothing about it.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I'm when you got told she was doing it, he
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: was like her go home?
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Really, I was like, yes, I mean, honestly, I've been
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: pretty close to that time before. You have like trials,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: and then we would have nights I would do.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: But this is dial You've got a lot of different
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: guests and is easier.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: This is going to be so much easier if you find.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: It easier to talk to all of these different people,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: knowing that you don't people often.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, did you did you forget the Paul Canaro trial?
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Did you for off ten hours a day? What? That's true?
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Because that I was ready to myself and say I
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: was never watching a trial again.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So, I mean there would be days I
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: would do a trial from like eight and then you
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: just p Diddy, then do couchcore after dark, then do
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: a true crime and wine time or whatever else doing on.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Twenty four hours.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: I've been very close. WHOA that was close to twelve hours.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Come your tips, we're gonna have to do twenty four hour.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: So I think what I've I've definitely done from like
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: eight to eleven with like maybe an hour break forty
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: five minutes to an hour total, so we'll see socks.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: I I am, I actually pulled, not trying to call
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: you out, but your cue saw I will.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Don't worry.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: I packed mine for my car rides smart Well.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Thank you all for being with us today before we go.
• 47:59
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• 48:06
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• 48:07
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• 48:10
  Speaker 2: talk about a crazy lady. Or if you're listening to
• 48:13
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• 48:16
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• 48:22
  Speaker 1: It does what Also, come check us out on YouTube.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: We have lost fabity who didn't watch YouTube and just
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: at the podcast until I got talked into doing this.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Come on over to YouTube. It's fun to see us
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: and the eye rolls, the burbs, the facial expressions that
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: apparently we all make, plus the visuals. It really helps
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: tell the story exactly.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: And we have all sorts of shows over here too.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: People don't realize have a lot of shows. We're on
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: like every day for something. So we had a podcast ohs,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: we're both doing it all at you click it. So
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: we actually started as a podcast and then moved over here.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: So we've been a podcast. I forget how many years,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: six years, it's six years, seven years this October.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Or something something like that.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but we do have a podcast. We are everywhere.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: You can even ask a l e x A. I
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: can't say it out well, I'm gond she'll do it.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Play it there because I used to play it for
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Jasper the Goat because it calmed him to hear my voice.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Everybody else despises my voice. But Jasper was like, oh mommy, so.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and if you do here, and then when
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: does it get released on the pod.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: So now that's what you can do here for now
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: we've gotten really good. You hear it on YouTube four
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: weeks before you get it on the pod four weeks
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: four weeks because of the break we took.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah that's true.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: But if you listen on the pod, if you start
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: with the very first season, which I would recommend, not recommend,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: skip the first four or five episodes when it was
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: just me in a closet with Raggedy Ann and Andy Dolls.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: It's fun to go back and listen to them. But
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: and farting Laney, who nobody farts on our show?
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Farting?
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: And if we did, could I please get a clip
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: to that? I mean, there will be a day, There
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: will be a day. I mean it's never loud enough
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: for anybody today. Hear it? I hope. Oh you're just
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: not put it together.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: Oh that's funny.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: I will tell you if you ever listen to one
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: of the episodes on the podcast app one of the
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: best ones. I don't remember the name of the episode.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: I think it was the Corkscrew Killer, but I had
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: one of my gaze was on with me Chewy Queen
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: and oh my god. I still listen to that episode
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: when I need to laugh. I love because talking with
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: a man about a killer. It's a gay couple and
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: he takes a corkscrew into a guy's mile anatomy and
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: to hear a man that you're sitting right next to
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: the videos even better. I do have the video clips,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: but I can't share them, but because he won't let me.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: But he's like, what, oh that sounds horrible.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, apple feet does fart in hallways.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, Laney says, it's them that are farting. They are
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: all a bunch of farighters. Hey, if you fart on stage, Laney,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: nobody will know.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: All right, on that note, Yes, why don't you tell
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: them about next month?
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: So tonight is the last line of True Crime and
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Wine Time. We will be back July ninth. We are
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: taking three weeks off from True Crime and Wine Time.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Lamma's got a lot going on with Couch Court that
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: she is still going to be doing, but True Crime
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: and Wine Time will not be back until July ninth.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, and you're on vacations, and I'm on vacations here
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: and then I'm gonna be recovering from a fundraiser but
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: still doing all the shows. No, let's leve be back
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: on July. I'm excited for it.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: And we're still working in the background, working on the
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Shusure when we come back. When we take off, it
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean we're actually not doing stuff.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Nope, I don't know what that's like. No, you don't.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Do you have anything to say before we sign up?
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: I don't think so I guess until next time, go
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: for it and be amazing.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: So and guys, stay safe and I will enjoy your
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Wine Time for you because I'm officially on vacation by guys,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: all right, by guys.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: I want to do at anyway,