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Random Heathen Ramblings: S2, EP33 - Intent Vs. Purpose Feat. JM Olofsson · Random Heathen Ramblings

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Right folks. Here we go, little bit of intro
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Yes he is. He is he is he is he he, he Don
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haemon, the random Heathen ramblings podcast brought to you
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and maybe two three weeks ago. Now, at this point and thought
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that it would be a great subject for our our podcast.
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So going to be welcoming in JM all of sudden here in just a
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minute or two or three we get into our Midgard musings intro.
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And welcome in jme. Here we go.
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Hopefully, If you over to your Workshop jmo listen the one in
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the same. Yeah let's go ahead and welcome
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him to the show and see what we are going to talk about today.
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Alright, welcome back. Everyone and welcome to the show
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jmo. Listen, my friend from North
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Carolina, kind of a man of many talents.
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I would say Shaman, a wonderful Craftsman.
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If y'all have a tear Workshop, is your company, we're going to
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talk about all kinds of fun stuff today.
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So, welcome to the podcast JM Halen.
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Welcome, thank you for having me on.
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It's awesome to be here, right? And yeah, so I mentioned earlier
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before you came on with like, my little intro thing that I do.
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Some people who've been following either the podcast or
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midgard musings in general, no of you because you've been on
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the on the channel before like we've done like a you actually
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been there a couple of times, you know, I interviewed you you
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kind of you interviewed me like we had this pretty neat.
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I think. Thing going there for a while so
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people may be familiar with who you are and all that but if for
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anyone that's new you know, listening to the show or needs a
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leader needs a little bit of a reminder.
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Why don't you if you don't mind sir, just kind of introduce
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yourself and what your role is in the Pagan Community around or
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the Heathen community. A lot like you had mentioned in
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the craft work that she all the tear and also in my practice in
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Shamanism, both of those who are kind of go hand-in-hand to craft
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and create for the community and spiritual needs.
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And whatever else could you do in your ritual?
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Where's or your general practice?
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It's great to be able to do what I love doing and give back at
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the same time. It's a labor of love.
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That is that cycle. That keeps going.
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It goes out and comes back and goes out and comes back.
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I work a lot with my hands and leatherwork try to do everything
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as traditional as possible. Because we've seen a lot of this
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stuff on the way the world and the pools and Creations that we
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come up with Yeah. And actually yeah, I own one of
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them. Well, I own, you know, some of
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your I don't I own a couple of pieces of your work but in terms
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of like, you know, ritual work talking about like the the drums
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and the rattles and some of the other, I mean your room sets the
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box is just all kinds of stuff, it's mostly nothing wood and
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leather work, right? I don't know if you get into any
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of the other like materials cloth or whatever.
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Do you do you make like Any like we invested in an anvil or a
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forge just yet but okay. It's been mr.
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Have a little bit but yeah that's a lot of people see and
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it's admirable and but change that you can create through that
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process but It's one of those, where your eyes are bigger than
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your stomach, those things take years and years of
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apprenticeship and practice and know how to crack these things.
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So it may be something that I'll look into getting some practice
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in but it would be a long, long, long time before I'm hammering
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out any kind of usable steel. Yeah.
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Yeah. But your work is phenomenal.
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I mean, I our tribe I should I always say like it's, you know,
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I Of a drum. But the more accurate I guess,
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description, is that we have a drum, our tribe, you know, me
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and my people here like it stays with me at my wife's and my
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house, but it's I way I see it is.
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It's a tribal drum, right? It's a something that we use
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together when we get together when we do things and it's
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definitely gotten. It's, it's working, you know,
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very recently. So you know for everyone
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listening and watching Watching and in all that kind of stuff.
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You guys want to check out the outfits here, the links for the
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website you've got, you know, Facebook, I know you that's I
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think is that the only social media?
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There's a, there's an Instagram I think, as well and Instagram.
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Yeah, that's social media presence.
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Yeah. So all that will be like, you
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know, in the show notes description area.
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You guys want to see more of what JM does.
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You'll find it on his, you know, social media, the stuff they
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post up there and then check out the website and see if there's
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anything that you want jam to work on.
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I mean, I'm really happy with the the commissioned piece for
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our tribe. You know, everything that I was
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talking with you about Jay and I think this goes into a bit about
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what you were mentioning earlier with, you know, crafting and
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working and how its, you know, it's more than just the tactile
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stuff, you know? It's more than just, you know,
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carving, Arun, set? Or it's more than just, you
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know, stretching a skin over a wooden frame to make a drum
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there. There's like a ritual element to
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it. And I felt that when like I
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spoke with you and started to describe what we were looking
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for, you know, sound-wise, aesthetic wise, you know what we
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were looking for in our drum and you know, you listen to my ideas
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which and then, you know, kind of fed that with your own
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knowledge and understanding of how are Going to accomplish that
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and, oh, well, so you asked for this, but I think if you want a
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certain result, you should consider something else.
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You know. So you're very open to it and I
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felt like it was, I felt like there was a lot of magic
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involved with that, you know, the sharing of ideas and
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creating something that really satisfied us completely, you
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know. Like it was it looks like we
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want it to look like it sounds like what we want it to sound
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like he feels. It just has that whole Essence
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to it and I don't think you could get that with just you
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know. Heading over to Amazon or any
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other sort of, you know, mass-produced, you know,
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conveyor belt type of thing and then say, yeah, this is what I
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want you do, you don't get the same results out of it, you
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know, you've gotta give to it, what you want to get from the
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soap. If you give it that part in that
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stolen that Spirit, that's what it's going to give back. yeah,
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and I mean, I think that just from the The drum that I have
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that we have. And then there's a, you made a
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candle, a tea light candle holder for me a while, back that
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still stays on my altar. Even some.
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So something as seemingly simple as that, you know, just People
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think you're crazy. If you if you tell them that
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there's you know you get a feeling from holding the certain
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object, you get feeling from wielding a certain object, you
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know, because the object is just in and of itself without any
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sort of Anything done to it is is just an inanimate object, it
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just is what it is. But with what you've done with
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them, I feel like it's it makes them function, something much
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more special and serves a greater purpose for us as he has
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a bit of an animist touch. When you young Spirit of can
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embody that spirit You get to work with it as a spirit.
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Yeah. So I mean I kind of have you and
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I have been friends for a relatively short period of time
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last few years, I'd say or give or take, you know, a month or so
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here and there. But I don't know, like just
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seeing seeing like where you where you are and I'm sure you
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seeing me where I was and how we kind of follow each other on our
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on our respective Journeys. You know, you're in a place now
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that you weren't years ago or even a year ago and same way
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with me, you know, It's in. It's amazing that for me to
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think about how the lives of ourselves and the lives of
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people around us kind of help for your shape. the the the
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beings that we become, you know, it's like you got to be a bit
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fluid and you got to be flexible to adapt to scenarios and adapt
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to things. And if anything that I've
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experienced like in the past year or so it's that, you know,
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you just don't ever know what's going to what kind of curveball
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you're going to hit or what kind of Bend in the river, you're
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going to have to lean into and just I don't know if that's AI,
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don't know if you felt that sort of way to just over the years,
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especially recently. But it to me, it's been
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unavoidable. Like, you can't get away from
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it. Lutely, there's, there's always
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going to be change. That's why we call it a path, a
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journey in life. You're always moving.
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It's changing and you're going to encounter different things.
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And I think a big part of it is becoming comfortable with
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yourself. Learning how to be yourself?
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I get asked all the time. How long have you been
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practicing? And I threw this.
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What sounds like a cop-out answer.
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Lifelong not known. How long have you really been
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going to say? No.
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I really believe that. I've been practicing like long,
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a, the norn decree, the beginning, and the end.
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And what's in the middle, is our control, but the universe knows.
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It knows who we are, what we are, what we are to become.
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But when we were born and we grow up, we have to spend so
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much time, just learning how to exist, how to crawl, how to
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walk, how to feed ourselves, how to talk, how to communicate.
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So we have to learn how to be people for so much.
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This big chunk of our early lives.
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Then once we learn how to become people, we can learn how to
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become our self. We can learn who we are in that
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people. And I think that point of
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Discovery AIDS and the rest of the journey because if you can
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become comfortable with yourself in your path and in your
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direction, then you're going to take all those curve balls a
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little bit easier. It's not going to be such a
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rocky road, your mindset will be a little bit different, your
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outlook. Roll with the punches, like you
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were talking about, you just keep on going things, change and
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things are different. You get hit with something out
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of nowhere, but when you feel comfortable in yourself and you
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know, yourself and your trust in yourself, you trust that you're
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going to keep choking and keep on growing. yeah and I think too
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that you know with with as much Focus as one can have on
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themselves and then developing themselves, you know, there's
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there's a large part of it to me that also Has.
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There's, there's, there's, there's a, there's important
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place. And I've talked about this on
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almost every podcast about tribe and community.
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And the society that you were interwoven in with how your
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lives as an individual, as a family getting can inter, you
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know, they're woven in with other people's lives.
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And there's this, you know, we can over time develop
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relationships with with friends and those friends become for can
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become extensions of our family and how much of that also helps
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us in shaping our house because let's face it, sometimes we hit
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points in our lives where we're just like enough already, you
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know, where we feel like it's just That's it for me.
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That's all I want to do. I've hit a wall that or you
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don't really know where to go and then you've got those close
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friends and family those those kin and kith, you know,
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individuals in your life that Kind of like bring you back,
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too. I kind of almost like take you
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out of that funk bring you back to reality like no man.
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Like you know, you got this to do, you can do this, you can do
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that. And I feel that without that you
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know, without that close sense of tribe, not that close sense
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of family that that family unit, the extension of the family
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unit, we're missing out where we're leaving, so much
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importance out of our Lives, by not having it there.
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You know, you don't have to face things alone, you know, kind of
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that whole pack mentality. That ties into it some of what
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we're going to get into here in just a little bit with intent
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and purpose that herpes, those people that you surround
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yourself with give you a sense of purpose and help you to
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continue to learn and understand and discover purpose throughout
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your path. And that's a really motivating
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thing. When you hit those Low Places or
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states that when you peel purpose again, it can really
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pick you up out of a funk. And I think that's really
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important to think of ties. And people, if you surround
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yourself with other crucial, vital to that, Yeah.
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No, I'm glad you said that because I know man like for
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minced like I was a I was talking offline about this and
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like before you came on just kind of like laying the
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foundations of things with with the what today's episode was
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going to be about. And at the time that this airs,
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right? It's a week and a day passed or
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since the start of the like the historical Icelandic or the
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historical, Scandinavian winter nights.
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You look at From sources. You look at different things.
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We, you know, the winter night started on three full moons
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before you'll. So like, from a historical
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Reckoning last Wednesday was the start of winter nights which
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was, you know, observed as a three night, long celebration.
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And I had intentions of doing a certain thing.
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So talking about intent and purpose, right?
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I had intentions, I was intent on doing something.
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Eric for that, you know, kind of like drumming in under the moon
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and then having a fire and it's not in the other Well, what
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ended up happening was none of that.
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You know I couldn't get out there and do any of that and it
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was there was a lot of, we talk about lamb life's curveballs.
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You know, I was looking at my car because of, you know,
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mechanical issues and and trying to deal with things going on in
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the family that I won't go into detail with here.
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But just, you know, family struggles, family Strife, sand
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and things that have just And leading up to that day over the
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weeks and months prior and you know but I look at it and I go
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back and I go out, you know, my intent was to do something and
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that's not what it was, it was that's not what my time was
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intended to be your intent but it ended up not being your
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purpose. Yeah, yeah and when you and I
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first were talking about this whole thing, this this was a
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discussion that you and I had had over like a phone call or
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something weeks ago before you came.
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Come on here to talk about it more.
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And I was like, who is intent in?
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I mean they like the same thing and it just two different words
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that mean the same thing and you know, your challenge was that
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you know there's it's not and what to think about.
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So I'm really I think I feel like now is like a good segue
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into what we're talking about here with the differences
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between intent and purpose because intent we talked about
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like with sacrifice With offerings with things that we
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do, either with our communities, with our tribes, in a way to
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connect to and with the gods or the sacred, to the spirits in
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the land around it with the everybody's like, well it's not
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just what, it's not what you do. It's the intention behind what
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you do is the intent behind it and I think that was the door.
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That's what kind of opened the door for us to discuss intent
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and purpose and then how that can fit into just, you know,
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ritual or how it fits into everyday life.
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So, I know I just blurb the whole bunch of stuff out about
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it, but Let's let's let's talk about it.
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You know, let's let's dive into it a bit.
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It's for me a way that I like to add a little bit of depth to my
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practice. Mine regular go about and what I
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do and spiritual sense in my connection with the Spiritual
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Beings and those places and The difference in my eyes and in my
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experience comes down to things. Like what?
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Commitment, conviction, provide the difference between intent
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and purpose. If you walk into a race and
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tape, it is my intent to win this race today.
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That sounds good, and it's positive and it's believable,
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but then you've got it Guy that walks in or another gal that
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walks into that race and says it is my purpose to win this race
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today. Whoa, that's serious, this
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person really believes it. They're committed to it, they're
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going to do it. And even if they don't, I know
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that they've got it set in their mind because they believe if
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their purpose that they're going to give it all they've got. so
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that conviction that commitment to what, maybe your intent comes
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out as purpose, we look at the terms of mocked and Croft, both
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main power but monster is more like the course of nature, as it
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takes its They and, and the way of the universe, it those things
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that are outside like a thunderstorm or waterfall,
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that's power. That's powerful.
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And then you've got Croft. It's still power but it is and
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what we do, and how we change things, we use that as an
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application of our will through intent to occur purpose.
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It sounds like right, the more you talk about it.
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Like it sounds like, I don't know if you're familiar with the
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term that the, and I'm pretty sure it's an Old English word,
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but Maine and it's spelled like m AE.
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Let the hasta AE combination Nae GE N Main.
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Looks like Megan but it's pronounced Main and it's you
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know, everything has main. There's there there's power in
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things all around but but you know the application of it and
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in the doing of it, how How we can increase our main, how we
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can increase or expand upon that name and make it something
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workable with those around us. Not just those who we see, but
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those things that we don't necessarily physically, see, you
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know, the seen and the Unseen forces that we I guess, you
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know, share existence with to me, it means something like
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that. It's a practice with purpose to
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act and to do these things, not only with intent, but with
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purpose to know, to understand, it could be someone's intent to
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practice. Let's go with ancestral
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veneration. My intent there is to of course
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honor my ancestors. So I do things like I'll leave a
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plate out or for a drink then we'll order some sort of votive
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or or act or ritual to honor my ancestors and practicing that.
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That's my intent is to honor but what is the purpose?
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We don't think about the purpose.
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We think about the ACT, we think about the intent purpose through
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that intent, is to gain that relationship or build, or
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strengthen that relationship that you have with your
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ancestors. If you're practicing ancestral
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veneration and surely you believe, one day, you will
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eventually join them. And what kind of welcoming would
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you like to have, you know, how would you like to be celebrated
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after you're gone by those you leave behind, you want them to
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just active intent or with purpose and understand that
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relationship. It makes a lot of sense, the
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more I think about it, you know, it's not what we do so much as
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why we do it, which I think for a lot of us like, for me, for
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the longest, like, what the, why is the it like that?
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That's the intent. But it's not.
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The why is, is purpose what you do?
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Your intent behind it. Like, if that's the, you know,
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like you say, you're you expect to achieve a certain result but
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why, why do you do it in that way?
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Why do you say the things you say, why do you do the things
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you do? It's the The exactly the purpose
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behind it, if you can get out without purpose or discover the
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purpose, then you can start practicing with purpose on
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purpose. I feel that makes a, that that
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makes a pretty strong statement. Following one of the last
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podcast might have been last week because some of the things
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that came up was that whatever you are and it could be, you
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know, your Heathen, your Pagan, you're Christian, or Buddhist,
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or Hindu or whatever, you know, be it and live it.
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And a lot of people get You know, they they think that
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low-level paganism is the only real living religion, or Heathen
27:32
re is a living religion, and I challenge people say, you know,
27:35
what does it matter what you are?
27:37
Doesn't matter what your religion is, what your beliefs
27:39
are, if that's what you're if, that's what kind of motivates
27:44
you to be something right? For whatever purpose it is and
27:48
you should be it. You should live as such and live
27:52
accordingly, and carry yourself with the same conviction.
27:57
And purpose that is a reflection on on what your values and what
28:02
you believe in. So again, back to what I was
28:05
talking about earlier that turning point, we have to learn
28:08
how to be people. And so we look for things like
28:11
faiths, and religions, and ways to be people, but then you hit
28:17
that point where it's time to start learning how to be
28:20
yourself and be your true self. True to yourself.
28:26
That's where the real faith is. It's in your genuineness and
28:31
your honesty and in your purpose.
28:36
Yeah, because what purpose would you serve how good of a person
28:40
and that probably goes into some other things too?
28:42
You know, you can you can serve a good purpose or you can serve
28:45
an ill purpose, depending on what you put yourself through,
28:48
how you apply yourself, right? And you're our purpose, and the
28:53
value that we have to the people around us, right?
28:58
Is placed on us by those people. So if we are worth less or
29:05
worth, All you know, it's because of the things that we've
29:09
done and how much of ourselves have we neglected in that
29:12
process when we're trying to either impress somebody or press
29:17
some people or oh look it I look at how well I can recite this
29:20
bade or look at how well I can you know, say this prayer in Old
29:24
Norse and look at my pronunciation and look at this
29:26
and look at that. And will will will like all this
29:28
superficial stuff that purpose that you're doing it for is is
29:32
not of real value of real worth. I feel that goes into some
29:38
really strong things, you know, it's I'm talking about one day
29:41
becoming an ancestor and what we do our Deeds, you know, our feet
29:44
into that well and talk about or log and the layers of luck that
29:52
have been laid down before us, you know, by the things that
29:54
people before us did the purpose that They carried out, it's,
30:00
it's more than just us in this moment, you know, it becomes
30:04
something. Or could become something of
30:07
greatness later on Oroville later on?
30:10
I mean, it just is just becomes, you know?
30:12
I mean, or log doesn't measure. It's not measured by what's good
30:17
or right or bad or whatever time it just is it just it's there.
30:20
So be careful of you know, how much be careful what we do.
30:25
What we add, what our purpose is driving us to do the things that
30:29
we did. Our final purpose is to leave
30:34
behind the wife that we Lived for others.
30:38
There's such great purpose in that passing and how you
30:41
remembered and lesson people learn from you that you passed
30:46
on to your children or even years after you're gone,
30:49
grandkids will say. Hey remember Granddad used to do
30:52
this to Grandma used to do this and that was a really smart way
30:56
and that's helping me. Now, your purpose is the wife
31:00
that you lived, when it all comes back to the cross, in that
31:04
cycle Point again. Leaving this life and Earth but
31:09
if you were mentioning good purpose or bad purpose and this
31:13
is such an awesome thing that's making a comeback.
31:16
The lawn maintenance shaming. I'm such a fan of it yard alone.
31:23
It's okay. You don't have to have the leaf
31:27
blower out. The weed eater out from our out.
31:30
Three, four, five days a week, it'll be okay, I get some people
31:34
with an HOA s where you get penalized.
31:38
If your grass is a sixteenth of an inch too long, but your
31:43
intent is to have a nice-looking long, but what's the purpose?
31:48
Yeah. What What's the purpose?
31:51
Oh, does it mean? Yeah, what are you doing?
31:53
If you don't have to do it, why are you doing?
31:58
Why do you want it to look good? What's the purpose?
32:00
Yeah. What do you want?
32:05
What do you really want? You know, you ever seen that
32:07
movie? Look at the notebook, right?
32:09
He's Rome wants to be. Yeah, grass wants to give it
32:17
just wants to grow. That's the Earth.
32:19
Yeah. Yeah.
32:21
I'm like, what do you want? Why are you doing this?
32:23
What do you really want? You want to look good for that
32:26
moment? You want to just be happy in
32:28
that moment? Or do you want something that's,
32:31
you know, and that's what's I guess.
32:33
I don't know if it's because of just age.
32:35
You know, the older. I get, the more mileage that
32:38
gets put under these tires so to speak, you know.
32:41
I don't feel so much about what I'm doing in the moment.
32:47
As me as meaning, anything more than just that I looked at what
32:50
I do and see, well, what kind of Ripple is this going to leave?
32:53
What kind of echo is this going to be like?
32:56
What's going to resonate later on?
32:58
You know, is what I do now going to be something that is worth
33:02
anything later. And I guess for me, that that's
33:06
that's without really thinking about it, but hearing, you know,
33:09
as talk about it now like that's realizing purpose and applying
33:13
it, you know, me, at that moment last week setting up a fire
33:20
because I wanted to or gettin my drum out and drumming because I
33:24
wanted to and that to me was like, well, it's winter nights,
33:26
right? I have to, it's winter nights.
33:28
I got to do it. This is this is, you know, it's
33:31
a thing, right? I got to do this.
33:33
Well. There would have been no purpose
33:38
of a really, there would have been no real good purpose for me
33:41
to do it at that moment because of all the other things that I
33:44
had to address and take care of, you know, things of more
33:47
meaningful value things that had I ignored it.
33:50
Had I not a dress, you know, could have had that ill effect
33:55
where I was talking about just the bad things like that end up
33:58
in the well anyway that's going to be there.
34:01
But without feeding it it's really just a layer that you Got
34:05
to get through at some point, it's really interesting it.
34:08
Now, the cosmos and the universe help guide in that purpose and
34:14
how to experience that change, you had intended to go out and
34:19
play the drum. But other things happened, that
34:21
took your attention that you found were more important.
34:24
You would have missed, had those mock come off, and it's even
34:28
little things that people will pick up on and catch a notice
34:31
later on in their adult life. That they'll remember, Being a
34:36
little kid and how much they love to play in the dirt, but
34:39
then didn't do it for years. And now, one of their favorite
34:42
things is to go out in the morning and work in the garden
34:46
and get their hands in the dirt. Again, like the universe knows
34:50
who you are, who you're going to be, but we've got to go through
34:53
that process and because little hints and reminders and pulls
34:57
and our ancestors are great for that to kind of keep us on track
35:01
or steer Ostrom. Too much Peril if it's not our
35:07
own doing if yeah. Bhai.
35:11
Hey, dude, get so much back that has been taken away as far as
35:16
the place that I live and the way that the land had been
35:20
maintained before I got here, I intend to give so much of that
35:25
back and I have been and the purpose in that is to just do
35:29
the right thing. It doesn't belong to me.
35:31
I live here. I'm only going to be here too.
35:34
Tiny, tiny little bit of time, but the trees that are growing
35:37
here are going to count with me for my hundreds of years and all
35:40
the lives that they're going to support the wildflowers have
35:44
come back, there are more deer than more birds, it's going back
35:48
to its natural balanced State. My intent aided in, and that
35:54
ultimate purpose. Kind of bringing it.
36:02
Yeah, go bring it back to the way it should, you know,
36:06
originally was or closer to that, you know, Primal hurting
36:11
other people. And this happens with the same
36:15
analogy of reference with the lawn Z1 neighbor will know.
36:19
And then the next day, the other neighbor feels like, they have
36:22
to know because the other neighborhood and yeah, and I
36:27
suggest doing this a lot in practice.
36:32
Even seasoned people that have been practicing for years, will
36:36
see somebody do something and they'll they'll imitated or
36:40
incorporated into their practice with the intent of doing the
36:44
same thing, because it's a form of practice, and they want to
36:46
practice, but they don't know the purpose.
36:49
Yeah, parody parody without understanding.
36:52
And so, we lose value, in practice.
36:56
When we do that, we lose the meaningfulness that is supposed
37:01
to. There because we're not taking
37:03
the time to understand its purpose.
37:06
We're only seeing or thinking of our intentions and it's the
37:10
practice that it can come Innocent.
37:12
It's not that we're just copying to do it to look, cool.
37:16
It's a lot of young folks are really eager to practice and
37:19
they haven't found the resources to really get into it so they
37:23
see things and they repeat those things to get into it with you
37:29
really, really got to get to a point.
37:31
Where you start understanding why it is?
37:34
You're doing what you're doing? Otherwise, you just droning.
37:37
There's no meaning to it. Yeah, no.
37:41
That's that's I mean, that's it's really interesting because
37:44
like, the I was talking to a fellow earlier this week a few
37:49
days ago now and You know, he had been out doing some drumming
37:54
and stuff. And I don't know again, if it
37:57
was, you know, Like you were saying, you know, seeing other
38:01
people talking about doing it for winter nights and he's like,
38:03
yeah, I want to do that. I think it's more than that, I
38:07
think it goes way more than that actually, but suffice it to say.
38:09
A lot of us are, or were thinking along the same lines of
38:13
doing it for, you know, or whatever, our own reasons or
38:17
purpose, but to do the same thing or something similar and
38:21
he's, you know, sharing with me, you know, kind of how he got
38:25
himself into that mindset, you know, he's, he painted, His
38:29
face, he dressed a certain way, he very corporated that ritual
38:34
theater element. That I feel really helps us
38:40
approach ritual more wholesomely, right?
38:43
Because like otherwise like, get not that you can't do ritual
38:46
without doing all that stuff. But really like, when you put on
38:49
the guard when you put on that Mantle, when you paint yourself
38:52
in that way, it really helps put you in that mindset.
38:55
And I was asking I'm like, so why did you do this?
38:57
Why did you do that? Just to see what he said, and he
38:59
was given Me these like really, you know, insightful answers and
39:02
he's and he was a bit reserved. He's like, I don't know, really
39:04
know if that makes sense or whatever.
39:06
I said, do to makes total sense for you and you sharing it with
39:10
me. Makes enough sense for me to
39:11
know that you're on there, like you're doing it for the right
39:14
reasons, your purpose is correct, you know, doesn't
39:19
matter what I think about, what your Rune on your face, means or
39:21
whatever you had a reason for you.
39:23
Have a purpose for it and you lived it out, you expressed it
39:27
and like That to me was like, that's great you know to see
39:33
that something that maybe in was that he was inspired by was
39:37
lived out with true purpose behind it, you know not just for
39:41
the sake of doing it because it was the full moon and everybody
39:43
else may be doing it. I share a lot of my practice and
39:49
ritual and I do it in a way to help motivate and Inspire
39:54
others. To feel yourself and get into
40:00
that spirit, and be your true self.
40:03
And we've come a long way from having to hide the ridicule and
40:09
persecution like the times have changed the last 15-20 years,
40:17
the Bible thumping and things like that.
40:18
It's it's lost. Its deafening tone, I think.
40:23
And so we have this opportunity to Be who we should be and
40:29
return to tradition and roots and things like that.
40:33
So I don't mind to share a lot of what I do in practice in
40:36
ritual, and I get a lot of comments that your outfit looks
40:40
awesome. I love your ritual where I want
40:43
to make something like that. I'm going to make something like
40:46
that. Where did you get this piece?
40:47
And I make 99% of my ritual around my ritual work.
40:54
But the biggest point that I want people to understand when
40:58
they see me where Nina is each element, I have on serves a
41:04
purpose. Every single thing that I
41:09
incorporate empty, that is serving a purpose, it's on
41:12
purpose. Yeah, and so you know, for other
41:18
people out here, listen and watch and write find your
41:21
purpose. Yeah.
41:27
For it to look good to be well dressed to honor those spirits
41:32
and show that you've made an effort.
41:34
You gave a damn about how you're presenting yourself when you're
41:38
reaching out to them to communicate with them.
41:41
I'm not going to show up in some hole in boxers or underwear.
41:46
I'm going to I'm going to make an effort.
41:48
It's like you know you're communicating with someone that
41:53
more than deserves more respect. Act in effort.
41:58
And so our intent is to look good for that, but then our
42:01
purpose in what we wear. Was into a lot of different
42:07
things. Some of the things you see, like
42:11
the mjolnir has been known for the longest time to be worn as a
42:16
symbol of being a Thor's manure for that protection of Milner,
42:20
the protector of midgard and Mankind.
42:25
It's a lot of things like that, but on a larger scale, whether
42:28
it be painting or head draws to wear other magical symbols, or
42:37
Drum rattle horns. Yeah.
42:44
Yeah. I was I can't remember where It
42:47
might have just been like a on a social media post that I made
42:52
on. I don't remember which platform
42:54
where it was but it was something to do with the drum
42:58
and drumming and I think I may have even had the drum on
43:03
display or it was in a video or something.
43:05
And somebody was asking you know like oh, you know, Or making a
43:09
comment, you know, if I had a drum I would do the same thing
43:14
or whatever and and I thought about it and I responded I says
43:17
well, I didn't always have a drum and so when I was, you
43:20
know, getting into that ritual State, whatever I would Stomp
43:25
the earth, I would, I would get to the ground and I would beat
43:28
the Earth with my hands or my Palms are my feet and I would
43:32
drum rhythm even though it wasn't like on a framed.
43:35
You know that animal skin drum. I was still Capturing the
43:39
essence of the Rhythm, the heartbeat, the whole purpose
43:43
behind it. Again, this word keep, you know,
43:45
the meaning of it, the sole purpose, the purpose behind it,
43:48
and why do we do it? It's too, you know, for so many,
43:51
I guess, different reasons or purposes.
43:53
Why? But the ultimate purpose to me,
43:55
was like, the connect and feel that Rhythm and feel that
43:58
heartbeat and to me, when I didn't have a drum, it was, you
44:00
know, kind of stomp dance, you know, on the ground, you know.
44:08
Stop drop and roll. But you know, just just feel it
44:11
that way. And then it was like they they
44:13
reacted it to that comment such a way like huh?
44:17
Never really thought of it that way there's a natural feel, it's
44:21
a natural Pole to it for rhythm. There's a rhythm to the Earth
44:26
and everything from an actual drum that you've beat with a
44:30
stick or your hand to clapping or you see people hitting who
44:35
sticks together Maria friends from hilum, If his things we
44:39
looked having those two bones, just that simple sound.
44:43
I've seen people get employed drum circle without a drum and
44:46
had their chests and even deeper than that.
44:50
You still hold a drum because your heart the don't don't,
44:54
don't is constantly drawing so long as you're alive.
44:58
Yeah. Yeah, today and that rhythm.
45:07
Yeah, it's like a constant and what the rattle that we use for
45:11
to connect in that frequency of the Earth.
45:16
Rhythms and beats and frequencies.
45:20
There's an amazing science behind it all.
45:22
Now, that's starting to come out.
45:24
A lot of people are getting on board with it.
45:28
Those frequencies and Hertz, and the vibration of the Earth
45:32
itself. Its We really yeah.
45:37
Yeah, no, yeah. Like along that way, I saw
45:41
something last week and actually mentioned it on the podcast last
45:45
week but not like so there's like there's a certain level of
45:50
hurts that are that are physical ears.
45:53
Can capture, you know, the frequencies like and even like
45:56
things that are visible to us. There's there's a certain
45:58
frequency of wavelength that we can see and that's it and
46:02
there's a certain wavelength or frequency that we can.
46:05
And that's it. And it's very small in
46:07
comparison to what's out there or its large, whatever the
46:09
whatever the scale. However, it goes large small,
46:13
which scientifically proves that there's more going on around us
46:17
than we can really even see in here that we can tangibly absorb
46:22
and pick up on. And you know, you look at
46:26
animals, you know, the things that animals can hear and see
46:29
that that he'd the human mind or the human senses, can't capture
46:34
and all that stuff. So, It's like, you know, you
46:35
can't even argue the the science behind it.
46:39
And it's I look at, you know, like you're talking like drum
46:42
circles and up about the indigenous American indigenous
46:50
peoples, you know, and the way that they express through song
46:54
and through dance and Rhythm and everything, you know it's
46:57
literally stomping ground dancing on the ground and what
47:01
the purpose behind that is and how to connect to The spirit or
47:07
spirits around them so animals. What are those other amazing
47:14
things you're talking about? What we can here versus what
47:18
they can in that spectrum that that sound Spectrum, elephants
47:23
and whales can communicate and tones that we don't even hear
47:28
that our ears can't pick up but to them travel Miles and Miles,
47:33
they can communicate from miles apart.
47:35
So not being able to experience that it almost seems like a form
47:41
of telepathy that they're communicating where we don't
47:46
hear it. So R is it really so strange to
47:48
think that there are other Communications in that way or in
47:52
that form? It's just because it's not what
47:55
we're used to. Were not what is typical for us
47:58
or comfortable for us to think about and would rather consider
48:02
that it doesn't exist. If I can't see it, if I can't
48:05
hear it, if I can't touch it or taste it.
48:08
It doesn't, does we just have to think a little bit bigger than
48:12
ourselves? Yeah, I think I think that we've
48:17
become as a species, so dependent on what's tangible and
48:23
modern times have not really helped us in that aspect because
48:28
we live in a time in a, in a time frame or in a timeline.
48:33
Right, where everything is right then.
48:34
And now it's got to happen right away.
48:37
You know, where's my package? Let me track it.
48:39
Where's my order? Let me track it on, you know,
48:43
the app that I've got or where's my You know, where's my likes?
48:47
Reacts comments, all this kind of stuff, we live in a very like
48:51
instant gratification sort of thing and you know, in in, in
48:58
that way, we're missing out on a lot of things that we Could be
49:05
in tune with, you know, where I live.
49:08
You know, is outside of the city, but close enough, where
49:10
the light pollutes the air to the point where you can't see
49:13
the night sky as clearly as you would if you were further
49:17
isolated away from it all, you know, and you you miss the
49:20
certain sounds of nature, you know, because of cars and
49:25
traffic in this and that, and it, it does.
49:27
You know, I think it definitely impacts us and affects us in
49:30
ways that we become. Just so ingrained in you, To
49:33
this is life. I can't see it.
49:35
I can't hear it. I can't experience a tangibly
49:38
somehow then it must not be there.
49:41
And how do we get back to reconnecting to those things
49:47
around us that you may not just see right away or here right
49:52
away but they're there. And if we slow down quiet
49:55
ourselves listening and look that they are in a way. just as
50:01
just as absorbable, just as visible just as Audible It just
50:06
takes a little bit extra work. Like you're saying this before
50:10
and it's some of the bulk of my work in Shamanism is in helping
50:16
people to establish that connection again or make that
50:21
reconnect. And as the society, we've really
50:26
done it to ourselves through this polish and drive toward
50:31
convenience. Like you're drinking that water
50:35
right now, I can go into the kitchen and I can turn the tap
50:41
and water is going to come on, we don't appreciate water like
50:44
people did even 100 years ago. 500 years ago, when you had to,
50:49
to walk, to a well, or to a spring to get water to drink,
50:54
there was a different appreciation.
50:56
There was a deeper connection there and we've lost that in our
51:00
pursuit of convenience and instant gratification.
51:04
As a culture as a society. We want to go push that button
51:08
and it happened, turn that spigot and what we want comes
51:11
out. So we don't have that same
51:14
connection because the appreciation isn't there.
51:20
Things like food. If you have to grow all of your
51:23
own food or hunt or forage for your sustenance, you're going to
51:28
appreciate that a little bit more, instead of throwing half
51:31
of it in the trash. Like, this doesn't taste the
51:33
best, so I'll eat something different later on, right?
51:39
Yeah, we're or how much? Yeah, waist and just waste in
51:43
general because we're not appreciating things the same way
51:47
anymore. Yeah, I think about, you know,
51:54
the the environment that I grew up around and grew up in and was
51:59
raised in and it was well, we did have, you know, it's not
52:04
like I grew up without electricity without running
52:06
water. But a lot of the things that I
52:10
did, you know, working on a farm, like it was, oh, you want
52:13
some, you want to get a drink of water.
52:14
It's, you know, you, you didn't bring a bucket with you or cat
52:19
or bottles with you. You went back to the farmhouse.
52:22
You picked up the, the Tin Cup that was hanging around the well
52:26
pump and you stood there and pumped until the water came out
52:30
was clean and fit to be drunk, you know?
52:32
Because there was sediment and there's things that, you know,
52:34
you just got to get those those the sediment and stuff out of
52:38
there. But, you know, you work for
52:39
that. And it may see something
52:41
trivial, but I remember we, you know, watering our cattle, same
52:45
way, it wasn't turned on the hose.
52:47
It was carry buckets of water out to their trough from pumping
52:50
it from the well, you know, Same sort of thing, you know, those
52:56
those cattle where are, you know, source of meat, you know?
53:00
So You raised them, you took care of them.
53:05
You you tended to them. You husband them husband.
53:08
You know, I mean like you took care of them and then slaughter
53:11
them and process them and provided them and they provided,
53:15
you know, they're they're meeting and all that for the for
53:17
the community. And even then the gardens and
53:19
all that and a lot of it, I miss, you know, I mean, it was
53:23
to make sure that they didn't go without water, and the purpose
53:27
was to keep these things alive because, yeah, they in turn are
53:30
keeping you alive. In the M10 man.
53:37
That's, that's, that's that that I don't think you can get any
53:39
more real than that, you know, the purpose behind what we're
53:42
doing. We're not just feeding these
53:44
animals and watering these animals because they're hungry,
53:47
even though they are. But the purpose is to take care
53:50
of them because they serve a purpose, and their purpose is to
53:54
Feed us later on, it's a vicious cycle of life as it work.
53:57
But man, that's that's like the exact What better example could
54:04
we possibly come up with really you know applicable sense of
54:08
purpose and that was man makes you makes you really sit back
54:15
and think about just the convenience is that we have you
54:18
know I want something I can either call it in go drive and
54:20
get it. You know become soft a bit.
54:26
It's going to say it you know the world's become soft and lazy
54:32
and then you know when when when the crap hits the fan and you
54:36
know Making the, you don't get that instant fix that instant
54:42
solution. You know, people are lost there,
54:44
like, losing my mind, you know, what's my purpose for God?
54:52
To go into the old ways, and there's such an appreciation for
55:00
that hard work that farm work. Like you're talking about You
55:05
appreciate everything more when you have to work for it.
55:08
And I see a lot of people talk about returning to a life lived
55:12
that way. Yeah, home setting and more
55:16
honest, and that's great, and each their own, but a lot of
55:22
people will make the argument that You know, we have gotten
55:28
soft. How do our ancestors?
55:31
Look at us, do they do, they respect us for this?
55:34
And I would have to say, hell yeah, our ancestors that broke
55:39
their back in 12 hours out in a field with a side, every day in
55:45
the beaten hot sun, are going to see that we've come far enough
55:49
in art, thinking in our Innovation and our technology,
55:53
to better Our Lives. Do these things without kill
55:57
ourselves at the age of 35, they're going to like, sweet
56:01
right on. Yeah, if I had that in my day,
56:05
right? They don't, they're not upset
56:08
with us for taking advantage of the tools in our brain, our
56:13
thinking, and our ability, but I think where they might be
56:17
saddened is in losing the appreciation for the purpose.
56:24
Why are we cutting this field? Whether it's with a side or a
56:28
Reaper on it or a combine whatever we lost the
56:34
appreciation for why we lost the appreciation?
56:38
In the purpose, I don't think that the ancestors are knocking
56:43
us or any of our modern conveniences, but maybe a little
56:48
disappointed in What it's done. Yesterday reality in our
56:54
appreciation of being good people.
56:57
Yeah. Right.
56:58
Right name because so much of the spirituality or the religion
57:01
behind things. Now, like it was, it wasn't even
57:04
really looked at it the same way I don't think back then like it
57:07
was just life, you know, it was just low lifestyle, you know,
57:11
wheat? They did what they did.
57:12
And they honored respected venerated.
57:16
The, the spirits or the gods as they were represented in their
57:18
daily lives. The way they Of the way they
57:21
function the way they provided. It was, it was the world that
57:25
they lived in and it didn't have a special name or didn't have a
57:28
special, you know? Label to it just was and that
57:35
need played such a huge part just in life and there's that
57:42
joke about paganism like the old Apple commercial.
57:46
We have an app for that we had gone, or we have a deity for
57:50
that, whether it be the c, or the field, or the whole restore,
57:56
whatever, but news matter, they were important If you can't
58:01
bring in a catch, you go hungry, your kids go hungry.
58:06
If you can't bring the crop in, if you don't have a good
58:09
harvest, you're not going to make it the winter.
58:12
You're going to have to watch your children hurt from pain of
58:17
hunger. So we prayed to frere and
58:23
tenured and whatever we could do That's how important it was.
58:30
That's how much they appreciated just being able to live.
58:36
And we lost the old gods because we started taking life itself
58:40
for granted, it became easy, we didn't need it anymore.
58:43
We didn't need to pray for a good harvest.
58:45
We didn't need to pray for a successful hunt.
58:48
We didn't need to to get spirits up and get motivated to go out
58:54
into the woods and bring home some food.
58:57
We lost it and we lost them in the cardboard.
59:01
Yeah, the purpose changed. So we're slowly getting them
59:06
back because it's Our intention. But what is our purpose and
59:11
getting them back? Reconnecting with those old gods
59:17
perform in these old rituals and behaving in these, these ways
59:22
and our practice. What is our purpose would be
59:29
something fun for folks to think about for a little bit?
59:32
Yeah, now I think the I think this is a lot of stuff.
59:36
This is a lot of You know, things to digest mentally and
59:42
process it. So I think that this this is a
59:45
good spot for us to call it an episode.
59:47
Not going to drop you get you just hang on a bit.
59:51
But, you know, I think this is this puts us at a great stopping
59:55
point. I so much that we've talked
59:56
about so much that we brought up for people to consider right is
1:00:02
Your intention to do something. But why what is the purpose?
1:00:05
And then, and I think everything that we've talked about thus far
1:00:08
provides a lot of examples in the practical sense and in the
1:00:14
metaphysical sense, you know, and then in our religious
1:00:18
approach to things, we can apply it in so many different ways.
1:00:23
I know it's definitely going to be something that that sticks in
1:00:25
my mind for a long time and then maybe some more topics of
1:00:28
discussion that come up around it.
1:00:30
Because I know this says, This is definitely struck a nerve for
1:00:33
me son. I hope it has four for others as
1:00:36
well. So really eye-opening to
1:00:40
experience the change. When you start practicing with
1:00:44
purpose, the genuine feeling that comes over between acting
1:00:51
or practicing with intent, and then practicing the purpose.
1:00:58
It really gets deep for you and it's it's rewarding spiritually.
1:01:04
That's good stuff man I appreciate that.
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I appreciate you want to take the time to really you know kind
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of non this and talk it out with me and then and let everybody
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