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Inside The OIG Interview: The Warden's Statement Detailing The Death Of Jeffrey Epstein (Part 21) (4/22/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with the warden from MCC and
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  his interview with the OIG inspectors. Question, now, who was
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  responsible to have the new camera system installed? Answer? What
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  do you mean as far as responsible? Question like who
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  had overall oversight on that? Answer the facilities manager question
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  mister redacted? Answer yeah, mister redacted. Question All right, answer,
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  he gets the people in there, but we're allocating things.
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  But again, I want to say that was you know
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  with manpower. Question. Okay, now you've pretty much answered this,
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  but can you say it's the same answer? But I
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  just want to read to you the question, what are
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  your thoughts on the fact that the new camera system
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  was there since October twenty eighteen, but wasn't installed until
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  after the Epstein incident that occurred on August tenth. Answer
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  it's the manpower question map power. Answer, Yeah, you know,
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  getting people qualified people in there to do it. I
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  mean one person couldn't do it. It was and we were
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  putting in new cameras in new areas, so he needed
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  more people. One person couldn't do it. Question Okay, do
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  you mind just initially and don't have to go through
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  this just the top is fine? Anything more on the
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  camera issue? Hayes jumps in, Oh, Christ, do you got
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  more issues? Question? No, I think we have one more issue.
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  And then just a couple of questions based upon the
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  BOP's findings. It does say that there's leaks information. Where
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  are those emails? Answer? It was did we mix up
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  on that question? Here it is? So here's the two
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  emails that were both sent from redacted to you and
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  one to redacted? Answer? Yeah, he was acting director at
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  the time. Question Director of the BOP. Answer yeah, question okay.
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  So the first one was on August tenth, twenty nineteen,
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  at six fourteen pm TOU and the subject is urgent
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  request potential leak in hospital regarding Epstein's death. It looks
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  like whereas Yeah, it says, please ensure this information is
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  given to the OIGFBI. Thanks. And then this next one,
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  like you said, is from redacted to the director. Subject
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  prison guard skip mandatory checks before Epstein's death. This the
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  body says, couldn't see the entire article on my phone,
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  but I wouldn't be surprised. There are staff that are
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  paid contracts for local media outlets. This has also been
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  discussed at the department level all the way up to
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  the White House, and who knows who may have overheard
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  those discussions. Do you know anything about leaks in the
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  media from the MCC answer? So what happened was when
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  Redacted came to see me, the issue that we had
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  was I told them about it that there was an
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  article in the post that took a picture of our
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  staff and our staff rode with Epstein on it. So
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  I told Redacted about it, and I guess they said
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  that one of the paramedics had leaked the information. Question like,
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  took a picture of them answer, took a picture of
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  them coming in the room when they got to the
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  emergency room, took a picture of Epstein being rolled in
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  and our what would you call it? Our staff. So
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  I talked to her adacted about that, and then I
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  had also told him that, you know, there might be
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  some staff, you know, because I didn't know where it
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  was coming from, because the information was just coming out,
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  you know, so quickly, and it was like, where is this,
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  you know, coming from? So I called and made him
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  a where and you know, told him about when he
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  came on Sunday, but the main one was because of
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  the picture in the post. Question, Now, who is it
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  that you suspect would have been leaking information to him? Answer?
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  I couldn't. I couldn't even tell. But I just was,
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  you know, with this whole thing, the stuff would leak
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  and had been leaked out to the media, and you
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  were like, where's this coming from? Question do you have
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  any suspicions though? Answer? I can't speculate. I mean, hey,
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  that's my boy. I mean I don't know anything. Question
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  you're talking like an attorney. Answer No, I mean Hayes
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  pipes in. But like that, I don't know nothing. But
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  what I do know, I don't know. Answer I mean
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  I can't speculate. I mean half of it was towards me.
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  Question did you leak the information you mean? Answer No,
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  I said it was towards me. Question Oh, you mean
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  the information like the negative press and the negative press
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  was towards you. Answer yeah, it reverted back to me.
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  So I mean that's you, you know, and it was
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  just it was fast and furious. Question so like negative
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  things to people, you believe someone in the BOP was
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  leaking negative information about you? Answer? I don't. I mean,
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  you know. Question, can you give me like an example
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  of what was leaked about you? Answer? Well, I mean,
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  you know, stuff that happened, you know, and I'm not
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  saying specific specifically right towards me, but it was just
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  automatically the blame was, you know, put on me. And
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  then you know, the other part of it was, I
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  don't know if I came from the department. I don't
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  know if I came from the institution. Question okay, answer,
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  because all that information was going to you know, up
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  to different levels. Question but did anybody tell you that
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  they believe that a certain person was leaking information? Answer? No,
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  I didn't hear that. If it was a certain person,
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  I didn't, you know. Question okay, And did you leak
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  any information to the media? Answer absolutely not. Question okay,
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  do you mind just initially and dating that, do you
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  believe though somebody in the BOP was leaking? Answer? And
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  I'm not questioned, And I don't mean that personally. I
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  just mean, you know, you could always get the second
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  one under there. Question it could have been up to
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  the department because the information was going up to them.
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  Question But I just mean, like, based upon the information
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  that was being leaked. Do you believe that someone in
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  the BOP, not necessarily the MCC, I just mean BOP
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  was leaking information? Answer I will put it this way.
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  The Department of Justice might because all the information. Yeah, OIG, FBI, anybody?
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  It could have been anybody? Question gotcha? All right? The
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  last actual topic about a couple of the findings Epstein's will.
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  Do you know anything about Epstein changing his will just
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  prior to his death? Answer? No? Question? Have you heard
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  about that? Answer after the fact? Question right? And when
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  you say after the fact, how did you learn that
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  after the fact? Answer I don't know, reading it or
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  hearing it on the news. Question did you ever hear
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  about it in an official capacity? Answer? No? Question all right?
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  Do you know if it's true? Answer don't know. Question Okay,
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  Hayes jumps in, if this all to his brother? Right?
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  Is that true? Question? I can't comment on that kind
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  of stuff. But what action should have been taken? Or
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  you don't know if it was? If it was learned
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  that Epstein's will have been changed just prior to his death,
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  do you believe any specific actions should have been taken? Answer?
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  I don't know anything. I mean, I can't comment on
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  that question. Okay, so that's the last of the topics.
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  Now we have indiscernible referred to it. I don't think
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  we have to refer to anything other than where is that? Yeah,
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  do you have that? The after action report? And I
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  don't know what we actually need to cite to have
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  initial them. This is the after action report? Is that
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  the BOP created in response? So just a few quick
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  questions on it. It says on August first, twenty nineteen,
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  at thirty am, Psychology documented that they were notified by
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  correctional systems of a form received from the United States
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  Marshall Service the previous day, stating inmate Epstein at a
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  reported suicidal tendencies. Do you know anything about that? And
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  what transpired? Answer? Wait, read that again? Questions on August
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  So just a refresher memory of a timeline. On July thirtieth,
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  he comes off psychological observation and he goes to the
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  shoe two days later. So there's July thirty first and
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  August first, eight thirty am. Psychology documented that they were
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  notified by correctional systems of a form received from the
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  United States Marshall Service that previous day. So I guess
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  on July thirtieth, the thirty first, I mean stating inmate
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  Epstein had reported suicidal tendencies. This was the BOP's finding.
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  Do you know anything about that? Answer, I don't know
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  anything about that. And that's before when he first came
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  into the system. Answer no, that was after he came
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  off psychological observation, so after the actual first attempt or
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  potential harm from TARTAGLIONI answer no, I didn't question. You
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  don't know anything about that? Answer no, question okay? And
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  do you know anything about the suicidal tendencies that he
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  was showing? Answer no, question no, all right. And then
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  on the same date, August first, twenty nineteen, again this
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  is after the Tartagleoni incident and after coming off psychological observation,
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  one PM Psychology conducts the suicide risk assessment, noting watch
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  is not indicated with a recommendation for follow up in
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  one week. The delay is conducting this assessment is not
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  justified in the report. Did you learn anything about that?
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  Answer no, I didn't question yeah. Yeah, And again this
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  is just some of the negative findings. We just want
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  you to know and we want to know your take
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  on it. I don't expect you to know any or
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  all of this or anything. It's just asking because there
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  are some negative findings. Okay, the next one, it says significant.
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  It says significant discrepancies exist within the century regarding admission
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  released ARS. Answer right, question century does not reflect inmate
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  Epstein being escorted from the institution by the US Martial
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  Service on July thirty first, twenty nineteen, although assigned prisoner
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  roman form is on file documenting having received them from
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  the US Martial Service. Additional review revealed inmate Epstein the
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  part of the institution for a total of four court appearances,
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  and only one of these occasions was an ARS change
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  made within century. It appears that there's a culture of
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  foregoing this vital function due to the likelihood of the
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  inmate returning from court. This lapse in procedure is a
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  severe inmate accountability deficiency. Answer. While that statement is incorrect,
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  I know the regional office looked into it and said
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  that pre trial institution can out count an inmate to
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  go into court, so he doesn't have to be keyed
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  out on ARS. So the way that they were doing it,
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  they looked at it after the fact and said there
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  was nothing wrong with it. Question so they did review
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  this matter and said that there was nothing wrong with it.
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  Answer yeah, because they kept thinking when they were looking
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  out same thing, Like you said, he was going to court,
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  but they can count them in that area. Question all right,
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  and what are they talking about, like pre moving them
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  or something like that when he goes to court? Answer no,
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  going to court? Question yeah, yeah, answer, And if anyone
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  is going to court, because you have so much court
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  movement that you can out count them, and then when
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  the marshals say, hey, he's not going out, then you
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  release them. And this means on the E one he
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  would be listed on the outcount answer correct. Question and
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  that's what they were actually doing. Answer, that's what they
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  were doing. Question. Okay, answer, they had them on E one.
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  Question So this is no longer an issue. Answer, no
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  longer an issue. All right, folks, We're gonna wrap up
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  right here, and in the next episode dealing with the time,
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  we're going to pick up where we left off. All
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  the information that goes with this episode can be found
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