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August 3, 2026 | The Jon Justice Show · The Jon Justice Show: Presented by Center of the American Experiment

3:32
SPEAKER_24: It's Monday morning, and it's time for the John Justice Show presented by America.
3:59
SPEAKER_24: And welcome to it.
4:00
SPEAKER_24: I'm your host, John Justice, and I'm glad you're with the show once again this morning.
4:05
SPEAKER_24: Joining me here to help in producing the show is Isaac.
4:09
SPEAKER_24: Good morning, Isaac.
4:09
SPEAKER_24: How are we doing today's morning?
4:10
SPEAKER_13: Good morning, John.
4:11
SPEAKER_13: Happy Monday.
4:12
SPEAKER_24: Yeah, man.
4:12
SPEAKER_24: Did you have a good weekend?
4:13
SPEAKER_24: Yeah, it was pretty good.
4:14
SPEAKER_24: All right.
4:14
SPEAKER_24: Pretty chill.
4:15
SPEAKER_24: I went and saw uh we'll talk a little bit about this in a moment.
4:18
SPEAKER_24: Uh Spider-Man brand new day.
4:20
SPEAKER_24: I heard it was fantastic.
4:22
SPEAKER_24: It did not um it had no business being as good as it was.
4:28
SPEAKER_24: I'll put it that way.
4:29
SPEAKER_24: I went in with very low expectations, and I'll explain why here in just a moment.
4:34
SPEAKER_24: It absolutely cleaned up at the box office, though.
4:37
SPEAKER_24: It killed.
4:38
SPEAKER_24: And I'm I have some thoughts on this because this is very odd to me.
4:42
SPEAKER_24: So we'll spend a little bit of time on that as we kick off the show this morning.
4:46
SPEAKER_24: Uh, President Donald Trump blames Iran over the weekend for the water cyber attacks, although there is new information now that it wasn't just our water systems here in Minnesota that were um cyberattacked.
5:03
SPEAKER_24: There were neighboring states that also had similar circumstances.
5:06
SPEAKER_24: And so we'll get into that.
5:07
SPEAKER_24: We have a lot of guests on the show this morning, as we do every Monday.
5:10
SPEAKER_24: We'll talk with the president of the Institute for Liberty, Andrew Langer.
5:14
SPEAKER_24: He'll be joining us right around 6:30 today.
5:17
SPEAKER_24: We're gonna get into the controversies surrounding Sophie Cunningham, the WMBA game against the fever, uh, and the links this weekend, the protests that took place um from the on the street lunatics out in front of the uh target center.
5:32
SPEAKER_24: So we may talk a bit about that with uh Andrew when he joins us at the bottom of the hour.
5:36
SPEAKER_24: Uh also we have an update on the St.
5:38
SPEAKER_24: Paul Mayor, Cooley Her.
5:40
SPEAKER_24: Uh, we have Senate candidate Tom Weiler who will be joining us in the American Experiment Studio at uh 7.30 this morning.
5:48
SPEAKER_24: And we'll talk about the good, the bad, and the ugly relating to energy policy uh with a policy fellow here at Center of the American Experiment, Darren Nelson joining us at 8.30 uh today.
6:01
SPEAKER_24: We have a actually a really, really busy week ahead with the primaries coming up next Tuesday.
6:07
SPEAKER_24: A lot of candidates will be on the show uh this week.
6:10
SPEAKER_24: I have uh interviews scheduled for the following week already with some very high-profile individuals that I'm really, really excited to have conversations with, and obviously for you to take part in those conversations.
6:26
SPEAKER_24: If you want to get involved in today's show or any show, you can email me, John.justice at americanexperiment.org.
6:33
SPEAKER_24: You can also leave us a blast, a comment.
6:37
SPEAKER_24: All you have to do is call 612-584-4565.
6:41
SPEAKER_24: By the way, on a um on a technical note and little, a little on-air production meeting, I think, I think I might have found a solution to the um blaster comments being the audio being low.
6:55
SPEAKER_24: It's probably one of the things that we've been fighting since we uh kicked off the show last week.
7:00
SPEAKER_24: So I think I might have found a solution.
7:02
SPEAKER_24: We'll find out.
7:03
SPEAKER_24: We'll find out.
7:04
SPEAKER_24: I'm doing a trial run and I on a on a program, and it's one of those things where I think the trial run is holding back.
7:11
SPEAKER_24: Like they're gonna give me a little bit of what it can do, but not all of what it can do.
7:14
SPEAKER_24: So we'll test that a little bit later on.
7:16
SPEAKER_24: But leave your comments um on whatever we're talking about here on the show.
7:21
SPEAKER_24: Again, 612-584-4565.
7:24
SPEAKER_24: So I was not impressed with the trailers leading into Spider-Man brand new day.
7:33
SPEAKER_24: I was always going to go see opening weekend, make no mistake.
7:36
SPEAKER_24: But the trailers themselves just really didn't do a whole lot for me.
7:41
SPEAKER_24: Um, it's Marvel.
7:42
SPEAKER_24: I'm easily entertained, so I'm gonna go see for the most part most Marvel movies.
7:47
SPEAKER_24: Although several of them I've only gone and seen once, especially the more recent uh Marvel films in the latest phase.
7:54
SPEAKER_24: They really dropped in quality after the Endgame and uh Infinity War.
7:59
SPEAKER_24: So I had completely forgotten that this was even coming out this week.
8:03
SPEAKER_24: So I ended up buying tickets.
8:05
SPEAKER_24: We went to go see it on uh Friday afternoon.
8:08
SPEAKER_24: It was uh me, my wife Melinda, and uh Kyle, our 19 uh year old, who'll be visiting here tomorrow, by the way, just as a side.
8:16
SPEAKER_24: No, uh not on the show, but he'll be coming down uh to hang out for a bit.
8:20
SPEAKER_24: Uh that being said, as we mentioned at the start of the show, um, this movie had no business being as good as it as it was.
8:27
SPEAKER_24: It opened to a massive$355 million.
8:31
SPEAKER_24: It made um the second biggest amount domestically in terms of a debut in box office history.
8:41
SPEAKER_24: Just shy of Avengers Endgame, the fill sur uh the film surpassed all expectations.
8:47
SPEAKER_24: Breaking records on Thursday previews, Friday, and Saturday grosses.
8:52
SPEAKER_24: This I I thought I was misreading the headlines on this.
8:55
SPEAKER_24: I follow this stuff.
8:55
SPEAKER_24: If you listen to the show for any length of time, I'm a nerd.
8:58
SPEAKER_24: As a matter of fact, there was a um a talk back that rolled in Friday that I did not get the opportunity to play, that basically was just about that how big of a nerd I am.
9:09
SPEAKER_24: But I had no expectations at all that this movie was going to make this much money.
9:15
SPEAKER_24: And then a couple things popped into mind.
9:17
SPEAKER_24: First off, um I think people forget how huge No Way Home was.
9:23
SPEAKER_24: I remember when Spider-Man No Way Home was released and just what a massive blockbuster that was.
9:30
SPEAKER_24: Especially, spoiler alert, considering that it had included previous Spider-Man.
9:36
SPEAKER_24: Spider-Mans?
9:37
SPEAKER_24: How do you say that?
9:38
SPEAKER_24: Do you say Spider-Man or do you say Spider-Mans?
9:40
SPEAKER_24: I think you say Spider-Man, right?
9:42
SPEAKER_24: Probably Spider-Man.
9:43
SPEAKER_24: I I think so.
9:43
SPEAKER_24: Yeah.
9:44
SPEAKER_24: Spider-Man's just sounds weird.
9:46
SPEAKER_24: And I don't think it's grammatically correct.
9:48
SPEAKER_24: But people forget just how massive that original movie was.
9:51
SPEAKER_24: So I think that's a part of it.
9:52
SPEAKER_24: But the other aspect of this too, and this I was following, there was no major negativity going into this film at all.
10:01
SPEAKER_24: There was no commentary like there is with virtually every other film out there within the fandom that I saw leading into this movie.
10:10
SPEAKER_24: There was no controversy.
10:13
SPEAKER_24: There was no concern about, and this would play into controversy, there was no concern about there being um any woke agenda attached to it, and there and there wasn't.
10:26
SPEAKER_24: No, I know in the story that I have in front of me, um, it says again, it landed, Spider-Man brand new day, landed just short of the all-time domestic opening weekend.
10:34
SPEAKER_24: Um, 2.1 million short of Avengers Endgame back in 2019,$357 million.
10:41
SPEAKER_24: What and what's interesting about this too is that the box office has just been suffering greatly.
10:46
SPEAKER_24: I mean, you consider how poorly the Mandalorian and Grogu did, you look at the independent films that came out, whether or not whether it's Obsession or Backrooms.
10:56
SPEAKER_24: I saw Obsession, not in the theater, though.
10:59
SPEAKER_24: I actually watched that streaming online.
11:00
SPEAKER_24: Uh, did not see backrooms, although my boys did.
11:03
SPEAKER_24: There's been this dramatic shift in terms of people going to the to the movies.
11:08
SPEAKER_24: Um but Brand New Day went and shattered Sony's own projections.
11:13
SPEAKER_24: The show uh Sony Pictures chairman credited the film's emotional storyline for its commercial reach, and I'll give that to him, except for the fact that you don't know that it has an emotional storyline until you actually go and see the film.
11:27
SPEAKER_24: And that wasn't apart, at least from what I saw, because I did see commentary leading into the movie.
11:33
SPEAKER_24: I just thought it was another week out before it was released, which is why I mentioned before that I forgot that it opened this week.
11:39
SPEAKER_24: I I had seen some of the early responses and the early reviews from individuals, but I still thought that it was a a week or so away.
11:46
SPEAKER_24: I didn't realize it came out to this week.
11:48
SPEAKER_24: And that was not really much of the commentary leading into this movie.
11:52
SPEAKER_24: And I really do think that there is this desire by the movie going public to still be entertained, to still go to the theater.
12:02
SPEAKER_24: I don't think that movie theaters are dead or dying.
12:05
SPEAKER_24: I do think that the fandom has been incredibly detrimental to films, because a lot of individuals do base their opinion or their uh plans to go see a film in the theater based off of what they're hearing ahead of time.
12:22
SPEAKER_24: And if a movie ends up getting roasted ahead of time over a bunch of concern, especially concern, as I mentioned before, of the liberal agenda being included, then people are less likely to go.
12:34
SPEAKER_24: In this case, you had a film that it's a Spider-Man movie.
12:38
SPEAKER_24: People just want to be entertained.
12:39
SPEAKER_24: There didn't seem seem to be anything negative attached to it.
12:42
SPEAKER_24: The previous film was a massive hit, and this movie just did an absolute absolute gangbusters.
12:48
SPEAKER_24: My wife even said that uh Melinda said, Isaac, that it might be her favorite uh Spider movie, uh Spider-Man movie ever.
12:55
SPEAKER_13: Wow.
12:56
SPEAKER_24: That's a high bar.
12:57
SPEAKER_24: It is a very high bar.
12:59
SPEAKER_24: And there were some um there were some huge revelations in it.
13:03
SPEAKER_24: I didn't get I didn't I typically I would have spoiled myself on a movie like this.
13:07
SPEAKER_24: I have no I I I don't have problems knowing spoilers beforehand.
13:12
SPEAKER_24: Certain films I want to wait, right?
13:13
SPEAKER_24: There's certain ones that I want to wait, but a lot of times I like the lead-in of hearing rumors and speculation that that to me is very entertaining, even if it spoils the film.
13:22
SPEAKER_24: Um but because I wasn't really that interested doing nothing with my fingers in this movie, I didn't do any dig deeping on the potential of characters showing up.
13:31
SPEAKER_24: And there were some shocking revelations in this film.
13:35
SPEAKER_24: I was like, whoa, I didn't know that was coming.
13:38
SPEAKER_24: That was cool, especially if you're into Marvel.
13:40
SPEAKER_24: If you're into any of the Marvel stuff, right?
13:42
SPEAKER_24: There's some huge, uh, huge character uh revelations.
13:46
SPEAKER_24: So are you gonna go see it, Isaac?
13:47
SPEAKER_24: I mean, are you a big Marvel movie fan?
13:49
SPEAKER_13: Yeah, I follow along.
13:50
SPEAKER_13: I don't know about big.
13:52
SPEAKER_13: Um, I'll always go to the like the big ones in theaters.
13:54
SPEAKER_13: Yeah.
13:54
SPEAKER_13: But this one I'll go see.
13:55
SPEAKER_24: Okay.
13:56
SPEAKER_24: Just didn't have time over the weekend.
13:57
SPEAKER_24: Yeah.
13:58
SPEAKER_24: Too busy going to the Lynx game.
13:59
SPEAKER_24: Yeah, exactly.
14:01
SPEAKER_24: We'll talk about that coming up uh a little bit uh little bit later on.
14:05
SPEAKER_24: Uh let's go here.
14:06
SPEAKER_24: The latest um regarding the water system cyber attack and what's been happening with uh Iran as of late, wherein there seems to be another attempt at negotiations of a of a peace deal.
14:19
SPEAKER_24: First off, though, President Donald Trump, according to the article from Kerr Levin, offered no evidence for the claim, blaming Governor Jim Walls for the recent cyber attacks on the state's water systems.
14:32
SPEAKER_24: This, of course, contradicts federal, state, uh federal and state officials who believe the Iranian hackers were responsible.
14:39
SPEAKER_24: Trump, again, providing no evidence for his claim, instead accused Minnesota of incompetence and corruption.
14:47
SPEAKER_24: I've got a couple of clips here, um, one relating to both.
14:51
SPEAKER_24: One relating to the the water systems cyber attack, and the other relating to potential corruption here in Minnesota.
14:58
SPEAKER_24: I think I could be wrong here.
15:01
SPEAKER_24: Okay.
15:02
SPEAKER_24: And this is not me being like a Trump apologist or anything, right?
15:05
SPEAKER_24: Because Trump will often say things and sometimes they're not accurate.
15:08
SPEAKER_24: Okay.
15:09
SPEAKER_24: Let's just let's be honest here.
15:10
SPEAKER_24: Still support the guy, but I think that he was kind of joking here.
15:15
SPEAKER_24: I get the sense that, you know, in the absence of knowing exactly where the cyber attack came from, he decided to take kind of a sarcastic uh route.
15:26
SPEAKER_24: I've often said that President Donald Trump is the closest that we will ever get to having a president who is a talk show host.
15:35
SPEAKER_24: Because that's how he speaks.
15:37
SPEAKER_24: He speaks in these broad generalities.
15:39
SPEAKER_24: I think that's why so many conservative talk show hosts, for the most part, don't really have uh much to gripe about regarding Trump's commentary.
15:47
SPEAKER_24: I know I don't because of that very reason.
15:50
SPEAKER_24: Because as a conservative news talk show host, I know what it's like to go and general, generalize and to make jokes.
15:58
SPEAKER_24: Wherein I could see myself making a joke that, well, I know they're saying, you know, it was Iran that was potentially involved in the cyber attack hacking into our water system.
16:10
SPEAKER_24: But you know what?
16:11
SPEAKER_24: Minnesota's so corrupt it could just be Governor Dim Wals and Thief Ellison.
16:15
SPEAKER_24: Right?
16:15
SPEAKER_24: See, that kind of thing.
16:16
SPEAKER_24: So you be the judge here.
16:17
SPEAKER_24: I got a couple of clips.
16:18
SPEAKER_24: Uh here's clip number one talking specifically about what I just mentioned.
16:23
SPEAKER_05: Can you roll out the bonds behind the channel?
16:25
SPEAKER_05: Can you roll out the bonds behind that five?
16:31
SPEAKER_07: Minnesota is behind it.
16:36
SPEAKER_07: I think it's the worst.
16:50
SPEAKER_07: And by the way, just give me a report.
16:53
SPEAKER_07: Massive, massive future things having to do with corruption in Minnesota are happening right now.
17:03
SPEAKER_24: The the bigger takeaway here isn't so much what President Donald Trump said about this.
17:10
SPEAKER_24: Right?
17:12
SPEAKER_07: He's had tremendous corruption in Minnesota.
17:14
SPEAKER_07: And by the way, just gave me a report.
17:17
SPEAKER_07: Massive, massive future things having to do with corruption in Minnesota are happening right now.
17:23
SPEAKER_24: Yeah.
17:24
SPEAKER_24: And hopefully, uh by the just as a side note, I was previewing some uh fairly large guests next week.
17:31
SPEAKER_24: Um, perhaps further details on what President Donald Trump said about the future exposure of corruption here in Minnesota with one of those guests uh next uh next week.
17:42
SPEAKER_24: But working through the care 11 piece, Trumpen made these comments during a cabinet meeting at Camp David in uh Maryland over the weekend.
17:50
SPEAKER_24: The president then added massive future things having to do with corruption in Minnesota.
17:54
SPEAKER_24: You heard the audio I just played.
17:56
SPEAKER_24: But Governor Dim Walls um appeared to respond with a short social media message Friday afternoon that simply read Trump can't beat Iran because he's too busy waging war with Minnesota.
18:14
SPEAKER_24: I mean, what a horrible thing to say.
18:16
SPEAKER_24: My expectations, speaking of uh of expectations, they were certainly higher for Spider-Man brand new day than they are for anything competent coming out of Governor Dim Walls.
18:26
SPEAKER_24: But that being said, I mean, to say that Trump can't beat Iran.
18:31
SPEAKER_24: I mean, is he not, he clearly isn't.
18:33
SPEAKER_24: Is he not thinking about what he's saying with making a comment like that?
18:36
SPEAKER_24: You're the sitting governor of the state of Minnesota, and you're essentially saying that our military is incapable of going and carrying out the operations they're carrying out.
18:46
SPEAKER_24: That to me is the takeaway of what Dim Walls is saying.
18:50
SPEAKER_24: But again, that moron doesn't think about the ramifications of his of his words.
18:58
SPEAKER_24: We've seen examples of that time and time again when it comes to that moron.
19:03
SPEAKER_24: Whether it's the Elon Musk watching the stock drop, the ICE is the Gestapo.
19:12
SPEAKER_24: The list just goes on and on.
19:14
SPEAKER_24: But that should be the story.
19:16
SPEAKER_24: This is who the media should be talking about.
19:21
SPEAKER_24: You know, I understand the importance of the cyber attack and getting further information on it, and as I mentioned, there were uh like another five other states that apparently also suffered this cyber attack, which goes back to, you know, either Trump didn't have the knowledge and was just trying to make a joke about Minnesota corruption being involved in it, or he could have been serious.
19:41
SPEAKER_24: I'd I don't know.
19:42
SPEAKER_24: But considering that other states were attacked, it looks like this was coming from an outside, um, an outside enemy, and Iran would make the most obvious sense.
19:52
SPEAKER_24: But if we had local media worth anything here in Minnesota, then they would actually go and follow up with Governor Jim Walls over that comment that he made.
20:03
SPEAKER_24: Because what a horrible thing to say.
20:05
SPEAKER_24: I know he thinks he's being cute.
20:07
SPEAKER_24: I know he thinks he's being funny, but it's but he's not.
20:09
SPEAKER_24: It's incredibly disrespectful to our brave men and women in the military that are currently trying to go and keep Iran at the you know pre president's behest from being able to obtain a nuclear weapon and to go and wage war against us and our allies.
20:29
SPEAKER_24: Speaking of which, President Donald Trump did say over the weekend that he is ordering American forces to hold off on new strikes against Iran, claiming that the Mideast allies have reached the parameters of a deal to end the five-month-old war.
20:45
SPEAKER_24: Yes, I understand.
20:47
SPEAKER_24: We've been in this place several times when it comes to President Donald Trump, and it's kind of unavoidable.
20:54
SPEAKER_24: Trump is trying to go and negotiate with Iran to do what I just mentioned, to make sure that they cannot obtain a nuclear weapon, that they cannot continue their murderous war waging against our allies.
21:09
SPEAKER_24: And so he's doing the right thing when they want to step up and look to diplomacy, but we also know that Iran can't be trusted.
21:17
SPEAKER_24: This is a regime that absolutely hates the West.
21:20
SPEAKER_24: And there's an argument to be made that what Iran is doing, and I'm sure that the Department of War, uh, friend of the show, Pete Heggseth, Trump, and everybody in the administration is aware of this.
21:33
SPEAKER_24: But what we're starting to see here is possibly Iran attempting to delay all of this long enough to get to say October, wherein they would have more leverage on the deal making aspect of this because we would be so close to the midterm elections.
21:53
SPEAKER_24: That makes sense to me.
21:55
SPEAKER_24: But President Donald Trump was poised to launch another massive strike.
22:00
SPEAKER_24: Against the Iranian regime.
22:02
SPEAKER_24: We reported this on Friday.
22:04
SPEAKER_24: Iran's defense minister said on X that the country was neither surprised nor passive following Trump's announcement and said Iran continues to remain alert in the face of concrete threats, uh threats from the U.S.
22:18
SPEAKER_24: A regional officials that the proposal announced by Trump over the weekend calls for the U.S.
22:23
SPEAKER_24: and Iran to return to negotiations and continue working out many of the issues that have stymied prior progress on the on the deals.
22:34
SPEAKER_24: I got a couple of clips of uh Trump talking about um Iran.
22:37
SPEAKER_24: Uh here's the first, and I believe one, if not both of these, he was on board uh Air Force One at the time.
22:43
SPEAKER_05: What is the status of talks?
22:45
SPEAKER_05: Who who from the administration is talking to?
22:47
SPEAKER_07: But they break their word so often.
22:49
SPEAKER_07: Steve is talking.
22:50
SPEAKER_24: Okay, this clip here uh was uh done from Camp David over the weekend.
22:54
SPEAKER_24: The next one I have was on uh I believe President Donald Trump's return trip to uh to DC.
22:59
SPEAKER_07: He's talking, Jared.
23:00
SPEAKER_07: We have very good people.
23:01
SPEAKER_07: Uh JD's involved, very strongly involved.
23:04
SPEAKER_07: Uh we have great people talking, Marco's involved.
23:07
SPEAKER_05: Because they say talks aren't happening.
23:09
SPEAKER_07: Very good people, we have the best people, but and they'll make a deal.
23:13
SPEAKER_07: As an example, we'll talk about nuclear.
23:15
SPEAKER_07: And we'll be in there talking about nuclear for seven hours.
23:18
SPEAKER_07: I say, what is it?
23:19
SPEAKER_07: What do you need seven?
23:20
SPEAKER_07: You can take ten minutes, you have five minutes.
23:22
SPEAKER_07: He says seven hours, and then they'll go out.
23:26
SPEAKER_07: And I'll say they discuss nuclear.
23:28
SPEAKER_07: And they'll go out and they'll say, we never discuss nuclear.
23:32
SPEAKER_07: And I say, What did they say?
23:33
SPEAKER_07: Well, they did is make me angry.
23:35
SPEAKER_07: You know, they just make me angry.
23:38
SPEAKER_24: Here's Trump on board uh Air Force One talking about how they were ramping up for a massive uh strike against Iran.
23:46
SPEAKER_07: We were asked by the three primary groups, uh we're also asked by Iran very strongly, actually.
23:53
SPEAKER_07: Uh they said we'd like to make it the now.
23:55
SPEAKER_07: You know, I don't know what they say because they'll say that to me in the middle of the back.
24:00
SPEAKER_07: We don't know what he's got, but obviously they don't want to be attacked.
24:03
SPEAKER_07: They do they knew the attack if we get to follow us to be honest with you.
24:25
SPEAKER_07: Many, many years to have a building.
24:28
SPEAKER_07: I don't think it would be even built.
24:30
SPEAKER_07: So we had uh we had an effect that would be the biggest attack since World War II.
24:36
SPEAKER_07: And it would have been disastrously and they didn't want us to do it.
24:43
SPEAKER_07: And and frankly, uh Saudi Arabia didn't want it either.
24:46
SPEAKER_07: They thought that a deal is imminent.
24:51
SPEAKER_24: So we'll certainly be keeping an eye on the developments uh throughout the week as Trump continues to try to find a diplomatic pathway to end uh the conflict.
25:02
SPEAKER_24: And as I mentioned before, um, this could be, and we'll see what shakes out this week with this latest attempt to bring Iran to a firm deal.
25:13
SPEAKER_24: Um, but I'm as concerned as anybody that Iran is simply playing this game in order to try to gain leverage by not coming to a deal of firm agreement until we get closer to the midterm elections.
25:25
SPEAKER_24: But again, I trust the uh the administration that they are doing the right thing regarding uh all of this.
25:32
SPEAKER_24: Coming up in just a moment, uh Idaho fast food restaurant.
25:35
SPEAKER_24: The story's kind of already drifted from the headlines less than 24 hours after it happened.
25:39
SPEAKER_24: But an Idaho fast food restaurant shooting suspect ended up killing himself among four dead over the weekend.
25:45
SPEAKER_24: A good guy with a gun thwarted the effort.
25:47
SPEAKER_24: I'll have all the uh details.
25:49
SPEAKER_24: And we'll talk with Andrew Langer, the president of the Institute for Liberty.
25:53
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29:13
SPEAKER_28: I looked it up, and the percentage of children in poverty in Minnesota is about 10%, which is lower than the national average.
29:21
SPEAKER_28: So how come somewhere around a third, 33% say, of children in Minnesota are on Medicaid if they aren't poor?
29:28
SPEAKER_12: Sure.
29:28
SPEAKER_12: My kids are grown now, but I had three kids that I raised, and for us, we could make over$100,000 a year, and still our kids would be on Medicaid, if you can imagine that.
29:42
SPEAKER_12: That's middle class.
29:43
SPEAKER_12: That's crazy.
29:44
SPEAKER_12: And uh, you know, we also as a state, I think we should really measure ourselves by how few people have to rely on the government for healthcare, not how many.
29:54
SPEAKER_12: But if you ask uh, you know, Governor Walls, he'll say the more people we feed, the better, the more people on government programs, the better.
30:02
SPEAKER_12: And that's really how he measures the state, and we really see that in the numbers in Medicaid, which have just exploded.
30:10
SPEAKER_01: Think about it.
30:11
SPEAKER_01: Now that school's back in session, how are Minnesota students doing?
30:14
SPEAKER_01: Not very well.
30:16
SPEAKER_01: Minnesota ACT scores fell again last year and are the lowest they've been in ten years.
30:22
SPEAKER_01: In fact, fewer than half of Minnesota's students can either read or do math at grade level.
30:27
SPEAKER_01: Think about it.
30:28
SPEAKER_01: We used to brag about our schools.
30:30
SPEAKER_01: Now we're losing to states like Mississippi.
30:32
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30:35
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30:40
SPEAKER_12: We're doing a really big deep deep dive on Medicaid right now at the center.
30:45
SPEAKER_12: We're looking at just how the heck this has gotten so out of control in Minnesota.
30:50
SPEAKER_12: And just like since 2023, okay, we spent 18 billion dollars on Medicaid in the state.
30:57
SPEAKER_12: Okay.
30:58
SPEAKER_12: Now we are spending 27 billion in this year, okay, and we are spending that on fewer people on Medicaid.
31:08
SPEAKER_12: So there was 1.4 million people on Medicaid in 2023.
31:14
SPEAKER_12: Now there is 1.2.
31:16
SPEAKER_12: So you have to ask yourself, how in the heck can we be spending that much more money on Medicaid?
31:23
SPEAKER_12: And we're really looking into that because we think a lot of that money is going to people who are dead, people who live in other states, people who are on more than one program.
31:33
SPEAKER_12: And you are not surprised because you've seen that on so many different programs in the state of Minnesota, but Medicaid is by far the biggest enchilada when it comes to that.
31:43
SPEAKER_01: Think about it.
31:44
SPEAKER_01: Now that school's out for the summer, how are Minnesota students doing?
31:48
SPEAKER_01: Not very well.
31:49
SPEAKER_01: Minnesota ACT scores fell again last year and are the lowest they've been in 10 years.
31:55
SPEAKER_01: In fact, fewer than half of Minnesota students can either read or do math at grade level.
32:00
SPEAKER_01: Think about it.
32:01
SPEAKER_01: We used to brag about our schools.
32:03
SPEAKER_01: Now we're losing to states like Mississippi.
32:05
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32:08
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32:23
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32:28
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32:33
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32:36
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32:40
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32:44
SPEAKER_24: Um, horrible news broke over the weekend.
32:46
SPEAKER_24: A shooting at an In N Out restaurant in Twin Falls, Idaho.
32:50
SPEAKER_24: Ended up uh resulting in four deaths, including the gunman, Chad Williams, and seven injuries.
32:56
SPEAKER_24: An off-duty officer and an armed citizen intervened, diverting the gunman and preventing further casualties.
33:06
SPEAKER_24: Good guy with a gun.
33:08
SPEAKER_24: Which is partly the reason why this story is going to disappear from the headlines, beyond the fact that we don't have a really good understanding of a motive when it comes to this attack.
33:17
SPEAKER_24: The FBI is seeking the public's assistance in gathering information and images related to the incident.
33:22
SPEAKER_24: The suspect in the fatal shooting at the fast food restaurant died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
33:28
SPEAKER_24: This happened on Sunday, crediting the off-duty officer and a citizen with firing the shots that diverted him.
33:34
SPEAKER_24: Investigators are confident that the gunman, identified as a 24-year-old Chad Williams, acted alone during the shooting at an In N Out in Twin Falls.
33:45
SPEAKER_24: The police chief Michael Hicks uh gave details during a press conference.
33:49
SPEAKER_24: Uh in all, four people died, including Williams.
33:52
SPEAKER_24: Seven others were injured at the recently opened restaurant in the southern Idaho City of about 56,000 people.
33:59
SPEAKER_24: Yeah, apparently, um this In N Out had like just opened up a week earlier, on the 24th.
34:07
SPEAKER_24: Part of a California's based uh company's recent expansion into Idaho.
34:13
SPEAKER_24: And I've always been told that the whole reason why In N Out doesn't expand, because I've talked about In N Out a ton on the show, because my my whole family are huge fans.
34:22
SPEAKER_24: My son will take trips out west just to go and get to In N Out.
34:26
SPEAKER_24: But I've always um heard that the whole reason why In N Out didn't expand was because they were concerned about the um the quality of the of the food diminishing uh depending on just how far from their base of operations they were going to be.
34:40
SPEAKER_24: That being said, they have been expanding into Idaho.
34:42
SPEAKER_24: But getting back to this shooting, Hicks said an off-duty state trooper and an armed citizen whose identities weren't immediately disclosed, both fired back and diverted the gunman from the restaurant.
34:55
SPEAKER_24: We believe their actions helped drive the suspect away from the scene, preventing further casualties, the chief said.
35:02
SPEAKER_24: We want to take a moment and commend the actions of the off-duty officer and the citizen and their heroic action to stop the incident.
35:08
SPEAKER_24: Hicks said the Texas were working to determine Williams' motives and said the suspect's family was cooperating fully with law enforcement.
35:15
SPEAKER_24: Officials that asked potential witnesses or anyone with information to uh contact the police.
35:21
SPEAKER_24: The police chief also warned that misinformation that was spreading online identifying a different man as the shooter, saying that person had no involvement in the incident whatsoever.
35:34
SPEAKER_24: Uh police who responded to the shooting said they found the body of the suspected gunman in an area near the near the restaurant.
35:42
SPEAKER_24: Um and again, without a uh uh motive uh for this particular incident, um it's kind of already disappeared from the from the headlines.
35:53
SPEAKER_24: Uh I know there was some um there was some talk that at least what I saw online preliminarily uh preliminarily, am I saying that right?
36:03
SPEAKER_24: Tongue-tied.
36:04
SPEAKER_24: The first information that I've seen said the individual might be a conservative.
36:11
SPEAKER_24: He had written a few posts online that uh might have been uh related uh to him being a conservative, but like I said, I saw that in only a couple of different places, and uh I'm not putting any any credence behind that.
36:25
SPEAKER_24: Um Andrew Langer, president of the Institute for Uh Liberty, I'm sure you saw this story of the Idaho In N Out shooting.
36:33
SPEAKER_24: Have you seen anything regarding the background of this individual, this 24-year-old at all?
36:37
SPEAKER_26: No, but you know, you if if someone's going after uh uh shooting up folks at an In N Out burger, obviously that's that's that says something.
36:45
SPEAKER_26: So, but yeah, I I haven't uh I haven't seen anything that the regarding this person's political backgrounds.
36:52
SPEAKER_24: Good morning, by the way.
36:53
SPEAKER_24: Good to see you as always.
36:54
SPEAKER_24: Thank you.
36:54
SPEAKER_24: Thank you so much for for joining the uh the show today.
36:57
SPEAKER_24: Did you get out to see Spider-Man Brand New Day yet?
36:59
SPEAKER_26: So I have not seen Spider-Man Brand New Day.
37:02
SPEAKER_26: I have not seen uh the Odyssey.
37:04
SPEAKER_26: I I'm trying to figure out when we're gonna be able to see both because um wanna wanna catch those as soon as possible.
37:10
SPEAKER_26: I'm just hearing nothing but great things about it.
37:13
SPEAKER_24: Yeah, I'm just shocked.
37:14
SPEAKER_24: I was talking about it at the start of the show.
37:16
SPEAKER_24: I'm shocked at how much um Bunny Spider-Man Brand New Day made.
37:21
SPEAKER_24: And I think it's a couple of things that I mentioned earlier.
37:24
SPEAKER_24: Um, one, I think that people I mean, maybe I didn't, uh, forgot just how successful uh No Way Home was.
37:30
SPEAKER_24: I mean, that was a massive, massive hit.
37:33
SPEAKER_24: And then uh two, there was no major controversy leading into this movie.
37:38
SPEAKER_24: And I think it shows that there is still an audience out there that wants to go to the movies to just see good films, and when you don't have the media ranting and raving about, you know, either side, whether it's liberal uh liberal or conservative, pushing back on a film before it's released, then people are more likely to end up showing up at your at your local movie theater.
37:58
SPEAKER_26: You know, it it's it's funny.
37:59
SPEAKER_26: I started watching uh that uh Apple TV.
38:02
SPEAKER_26: I don't have Apple TV uh at home.
38:03
SPEAKER_26: Yeah.
38:04
SPEAKER_26: It's like the one service we have not subscribed to.
38:06
SPEAKER_26: Um and I'm I'm just holding out for for that.
38:09
SPEAKER_26: But I I watched the first couple of episodes of the studio.
38:13
SPEAKER_26: I was on a I was on a lot of plane travel this weekend.
38:15
SPEAKER_26: And so, you know, you can you can catch, if you fly United, you can catch uh uh your apple of a bunch of your Apple TV shows.
38:21
SPEAKER_26: Um and I I I could not get through, I got through the first episode and I could only get uh about uh halfway through the second episode.
38:30
SPEAKER_26: But one of the central theses of that show, at least I don't know where it goes from there, is you know, Seth Rogan plays a studio guy who wants to make good quality RD movies, and the studio president, he's I guess he's hired the studio head.
38:44
SPEAKER_26: I don't know titles, but the point is his boss wants him to make a movie based upon the characters from the Kool-Aid commercials, you know, the Kool-Aid Man, etc.
38:53
SPEAKER_26: And so it's a whole back and forth uh about this.
38:57
SPEAKER_26: And of course, as I'm watching it, the big thing is that at the same time, Martin Scorsese wants to make a movie about the Jim Jones Jonestown massacre, uh, that they're gonna call Kool-Aid, and it's just, yeah, it's hilarious ensues.
39:10
SPEAKER_24: So did you did you only get through a few episodes because that's all you were able to watch, or because you were turned off and you pitched?
39:17
SPEAKER_26: I was turned off by Seth Rogan's cringy antics, you know, he just could not help himself, and it's like it's like I I have that tolerance for Larry David to a point like I can't watch I I've watched a little bit of the new Larry David American History series.
39:34
SPEAKER_26: I I like I love Curb Your Enthusiasm.
39:36
SPEAKER_26: Um, you know, I can tolerate that Larry David, but uh the the Larry David in history bothered me.
39:42
SPEAKER_26: So yeah, you know something.
39:43
SPEAKER_26: It's it's apparently there's like an actual condition where folks physically get discomfort from watching it's like the opposite of a Schadenfreude, and I'm a big fan of Schadenfreude.
39:54
SPEAKER_26: I love taking joy in my opponent's misery.
39:56
SPEAKER_26: Um but uh uh yeah, this is just too much for me.
40:00
SPEAKER_24: So I think it's one of the reasons why Melinda's not the biggest fan of Seinfeld because she has a hard time with the with sort of the the cringe watching, although by comparison, Seinfeld is is tame.
40:11
SPEAKER_24: Let me let's let's hang here for just a for just a second, and I want to get the uh audience up to speed.
40:15
SPEAKER_24: First off, um I am with you, Andrew Langer, on the studio on Apple TV.
40:22
SPEAKER_24: I would, however, advise you, because I know exactly which episode you pitched off on, stick with it because I had I I had I had exactly the same experience as did my wife watching that episode.
40:35
SPEAKER_24: Uh because there's one that's really, really hard to watch because the Seth Rogan character just is just comedy of forced errors.
40:42
SPEAKER_24: Yes, and it's exactly it.
40:43
SPEAKER_24: It's it's tough to watch.
40:44
SPEAKER_24: Hang with it though, because it gets so much better.
40:46
SPEAKER_24: I'll come back to it.
40:48
SPEAKER_26: Listen, guys, I'm the guy who I watched the second episode of the latest uh uh season of Star Trek Strange New Worlds.
40:54
SPEAKER_26: And by the way, by the way, it's what it's uh 645 if you're tuning in on John's John's show right now.
41:02
SPEAKER_26: Um, you know, I and and I'm someone who sits there and I will analyze Star Trek episode, and I love Star Trek.
41:09
SPEAKER_26: I am a trekker, um, but I will sit there and go, no, why did you do that?
41:14
SPEAKER_26: This is it's like every time in the original series, they would beam down onto a planet without any kind of security, and you know, it's like you you can see what's gonna happen.
41:25
SPEAKER_26: It's you know, you go on if you find a derelict spaceship, wait till backup arrives, and then you go and you board the ship.
41:32
SPEAKER_24: So I'm not gonna recommend um the studio uh because I don't do that because it's not gonna be everybody's cup of tea, right?
41:39
SPEAKER_24: But you want me to do that.
41:40
SPEAKER_24: A lot of language in I want you to stick with it because I know you can handle it.
41:43
SPEAKER_24: A lot of language, a lot of language in that in that show.
41:45
SPEAKER_24: That's uh no problem with that.
41:47
SPEAKER_24: Just briefly though, and then we'll get to you know some some more irrelevant uh items as we talk with Andrew Langer on the show this morning.
41:54
SPEAKER_24: But uh Melinda and I also watched that uh it's on HBO, uh whatever they're calling it now, HBO Max or whatever it is.
42:02
SPEAKER_24: But that that um that history show with Larry David.
42:07
SPEAKER_24: We watched the first episode last night, and Andrew, I'll tell you, I thought the first part of it, they're a series of vignettes, yeah, and they're going through and they're telling um you know, they're telling stories from the past, from our history, but they're doing parody sends up on it.
42:22
SPEAKER_24: Right.
42:23
SPEAKER_24: The one the one regarding Alexander Graham Bell, I was crying laughing watching that episode last night.
42:31
SPEAKER_24: Yeah, it was really, really enjoyable.
42:32
SPEAKER_26: I just had a real, real, you know, hard time with the um with the uh the declaration of independence one.
42:38
SPEAKER_26: That was that was that was a little tough for me.
42:39
SPEAKER_26: Yes.
42:39
SPEAKER_24: So well, I almost didn't get past the fact when the show when the when the show opens, and I forgot what the name I can't recall what the name is.
42:46
SPEAKER_24: I don't know if you remember what the name is.
42:47
SPEAKER_26: It's the Larry David History Show, John.
42:48
SPEAKER_26: That's really all anything.
42:50
SPEAKER_26: There you go.
42:50
SPEAKER_26: Yeah.
42:50
SPEAKER_24: But it opens up with former president Barack Obama.
42:53
SPEAKER_24: And I I almost couldn't get past that, but I hung with it, and uh, we'll probably watch the next couple of uh next couple of episodes.
43:01
SPEAKER_24: Um let's uh let's go here.
43:02
SPEAKER_24: I know you've got a couple of items that you want to uh talk about, but I want to get your take on, and I have a couple of clips.
43:08
SPEAKER_24: Uh Bill Maher has been getting just a ton of attention over calling out, specifically the Democrat Socialists, the fact that uh so many within the Democrat Party are now leaning into communism, to the point where he's actually stepping up and saying that he's not gonna be voting for for Democrats if this is the way that things are going to go.
43:28
SPEAKER_24: Let me play um one clip from over the from over the weekend um where he's exposing uh the DSA.
43:35
SPEAKER_24: It's about a minute here on the John Justice Show.
43:38
SPEAKER_24: So here's a bit of what Bill Maher had to say from over the weekend on his show.
43:41
SPEAKER_03: This crowd literally wants to get rid of our form of government, the Senate, but also, and I quote replaced the president and Supreme Court with an executive and judiciary chosen by and subordinate to Congress.
43:56
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, Biggie.
43:58
SPEAKER_03: Just taking the very essence.
44:00
SPEAKER_03: Of our government, which is three branches checking each other and shit canning two and a half of them.
44:06
SPEAKER_03: Who could be this nuts?
44:08
SPEAKER_03: I'll tell you who, morons who are still wearing COVID masks in 2023.
44:22
SPEAKER_03: This photo is from the DSA meeting in Denver three weeks ago.
44:28
SPEAKER_03: Okay, I'm just gonna say it.
44:30
SPEAKER_03: Since the far left, the far, far left, is overwhelmingly made up of affluent, ultra-woke white people, you raised your kids wrong.
44:41
SPEAKER_03: You told your precious brats that every brain fart was genius, and now those brain farts are becoming Democratic Party policy.
44:52
SPEAKER_24: There's actually a um there's a bit of a loose connection here with something else that we're gonna talk about.
44:58
SPEAKER_24: But let me just go ahead and get your instinctive reaction to what Bill Moore was saying here.
45:01
SPEAKER_26: John, is that loose connection, that article from the Politico that I sent you?
45:04
SPEAKER_26: Because that's exactly the loose.
45:06
SPEAKER_26: That's exactly the loose connection that I was gonna refer to.
45:09
SPEAKER_26: I mean, listen, he's not he's not wrong.
45:11
SPEAKER_26: Um, though it's interesting because who is it, uh Fong, the the woman who's running for governor in Wisconsin.
45:17
SPEAKER_26: Um, she uh the Democratic Socialist, who is most likely gonna get the nomination, uh, she was on Fox.
45:24
SPEAKER_26: Fox interviewed her over the weekend, and she was asked about sort of which principles and the platform she supports, and she she uh expressed her uh continued admiration for separation of powers.
45:37
SPEAKER_26: But, you know, listen, at the end of the day, this comes out of out of the blueprint for how the Soviet Union, and I'm not making a joke, this is not a conspiracy theory, this is not a joke that I'm making.
45:49
SPEAKER_26: But literally, this is exactly the way Soviet-style governments were created, right?
45:54
SPEAKER_26: You had a Supreme Soviet, which is their version of a Congress, and that Supreme Soviet would pick the various leaders, it would pick the judiciary, and and would pick it based upon your party standing.
46:04
SPEAKER_26: So, I mean, it's not as though there isn't a blueprint out there.
46:08
SPEAKER_26: And it's funny because, you know, one of the things, John, that the socialists say to us is that true socialism has never been tried, right?
46:15
SPEAKER_26: Oh, all of these failed socialist experiments, that was never true socialism.
46:19
SPEAKER_26: But then you're pulling from the blueprint of these other socialist government systems, and you're saying that it's never been tried.
46:27
SPEAKER_26: You're trying exactly, you're what you're proposing is exactly what was tried before, and it failed miserably, or it descended into a tyranny, it descended into all kinds of things.
46:36
SPEAKER_26: And here's the the reality is the the quiet part is they like the tyranny, they want the tyranny because they're the ones who are in charge.
46:42
SPEAKER_26: This is what uh uh this is what Che Guevara called, uh not Michael Che, Che Guevara called the pedagogy of the wall, which is you know, where you essentially you teach people by threatening them to be lined up against the wall and shot.
46:55
SPEAKER_26: That's that's to quote Saturday Night Live and their and their send-up of Tucker Carlson, that's the rule.
47:02
SPEAKER_26: That's the goal now.
47:04
SPEAKER_24: How significant is it that you know, Bill Maher, you know, he's he he really is like the the best example of a broken clock is right twice a day.
47:16
SPEAKER_24: He's willing to he's willing to call it as he sees it.
47:19
SPEAKER_24: He doesn't carry any sort of major allegiance that blinds him to his to his view.
47:25
SPEAKER_24: He's willing to go and call out both both sides, even though he typically leans left.
47:29
SPEAKER_24: Right.
47:29
SPEAKER_24: How significant is it to have an individual like Bill Maher that's being so direct?
47:34
SPEAKER_24: Does he have enough reach, do you think?
47:37
SPEAKER_24: Do you think that this would encourage other Democrats like a you know a Fetterman and others to sort of step out and begin to criticize the uh the DSA?
47:47
SPEAKER_24: Or do you think that you know everything is too segmented now and he doesn't carry that kind of cachet anymore?
47:51
SPEAKER_26: Well, listen, I think Fetterman is free to do and it feels free to do whatever Fetterman wants to do.
47:56
SPEAKER_26: I mean, he's that's how that's how he's building his reputation.
47:59
SPEAKER_26: So, you know, I I think the the thing that we admire about you know Bill Maher and and to some extent when he was doing it more often, and had a platform to do it more often, because he's not on the air all the time, um, uh Jon Stewart is that they at least still had that maintenance of the skepticism of big government power and the willingness to speak truth to power.
48:19
SPEAKER_26: Um, and and that's an important thing.
48:20
SPEAKER_26: And that's you know, where we continue to be is our willingness to speak truth to power.
48:25
SPEAKER_26: And and again, to engage in that both sides is because that's a lot of what I saw over the weekend at the Western Conservative Summit in in Denver that I attended.
48:34
SPEAKER_26: Um, but yeah, I mean the the reality is the reality is yes, A, there's the part of it that is segmented amongst the older set.
48:44
SPEAKER_26: But what he underscores, and this is the problem, is that you have, and this is gonna be being old man yelling, get off my lawn.
48:53
SPEAKER_26: Um we have a bunch of young people who just don't give an S about what the right it their their their response is gonna be okay boomer, uh whatever boomer, and and that's and that's the problem is that is that you know that that whatever that okay boomer, whatever the meme is, see, and I'm a boomer, so I apparently I'm a boomer, so I I think you got it right.
49:18
SPEAKER_24: I think it's okay boomer.
49:20
SPEAKER_24: I think you got it right.
49:20
SPEAKER_26: Yeah, so you know, that's that's the attitude.
49:23
SPEAKER_26: And and I you know, I'll tee it up, John, if you don't mind my hijacking.
49:27
SPEAKER_26: I sent John an article this morning that that literally three different people, including one of your fans, one of your detractors, John, you know, who who you who uh uh uh feels compelled to at me on on X, you know, and one of these things where I wanted to write back and say, hey, dude, you're late to the game.
49:46
SPEAKER_26: But like a political science professor who's a conservative friend of mine sent it to me.
49:50
SPEAKER_26: And then a young woman that I've mentored, she's not even young, and he was in her 30s, uh mentored over the years, send it to me, which is this article about the the the the sort of the the dangerous um lack of philosophy, coherent and the lack of coherent conservative philosophy amongst young conservative activists, with the exception of the turning point people, we'll set that aside for a second, um, and their unwillingness to be taught, which is the the real the real problem.
50:19
SPEAKER_26: The unwillingness of this generation, uh of the okay boomer generation to want to learn, and I'm not saying it's all, but there's a huge swatch of people, that's a massive problem.
50:31
SPEAKER_26: Um, so you know, you can get Mike Pence up on stage in Denver at the Western Conservative Summit talking about, you know, saying something very pithy, which is the the Republicans may have lost their way in many cases, but the Democrats have lost their minds.
50:46
SPEAKER_26: Um and that's great for an audience that understands this.
50:50
SPEAKER_26: But when I'm having to explain to a 25-year-old staffer why capping credit card interest rates at 10% per year for a year or 10% for a year is insanely bad and stupid policy, only to have that person say, Yeah, but it would be really popular, um that's a that's a problem.
51:11
SPEAKER_24: It's interesting in that piece, um, it talks about the concern among young, and I'm just pulling a quote from that from the article on political you mentioned, Andrew Langer.
51:20
SPEAKER_24: Um the concern that young uh Republicans are uh blind, uh I the uh ideological and sort of loyal to a fault rather than competent and intelligent.
51:32
SPEAKER_24: I would be curious, I you know, when a statement gets made like that, I I I'd like to know who they are referring to.
51:39
SPEAKER_24: I haven't seen an abundance uh of that, but you know, again, uh so so talk a little bit about that.
51:45
SPEAKER_24: Who are who are they referring to?
51:46
SPEAKER_24: Are they referring to commentators?
51:48
SPEAKER_24: Are they referring to people at the ground?
51:50
SPEAKER_24: They're referring to people.
51:52
SPEAKER_26: I think in this article specifically they're referring to like staffers.
51:55
SPEAKER_26: They're referring to folks who've sort of come into come to DC and are coming to work for organizations and are coming to work for members, and they they listen, they're enthusiastic.
52:06
SPEAKER_26: And and you know, you you get involved in things that you become enthusiastic about, you get involved in the move in politics because you're enthusiastic about it.
52:13
SPEAKER_26: Um, but you know, you you you you need folks who are going to teach you, you know, why why things happen the way that they do.
52:21
SPEAKER_26: I was particularly fortunate that I had mentors.
52:23
SPEAKER_26: I I had I had you know leanings and I had internal philosophies, um, but I had to learn a lot about why things happen the way that they do.
52:34
SPEAKER_26: And I was really fortunate.
52:35
SPEAKER_26: You know, but really the really fun thing about being at this uh Western Conservative summit in Denver was I ran into folks from an organization called the Mountain States Legal Foundation, which is one of these conservative public interest legal foundations.
52:47
SPEAKER_26: And as it happened, one of my very first bosses in DC uh was the president, had been the president of Mountain States, and so it was a fun little, fun little reconnection there to that organization.
52:57
SPEAKER_26: Um, but the point is, you know, I got an education.
53:00
SPEAKER_26: I had my college education.
53:02
SPEAKER_26: Uh, I learned a great deal in William and Mary, obviously.
53:05
SPEAKER_26: Um, but I got the equivalent of a graduate education in conservative policy from this blind gentleman that I was working for, uh who really taught me why our republic is set up.
53:19
SPEAKER_26: I mean, I'd learned why a republic was set up.
53:21
SPEAKER_26: Obviously, we talk about the three-wing circus of government, and we big fans of schoolhouse rocket, all of those things.
53:27
SPEAKER_26: Um, but to understand the concept, and John, you've heard me say this before, um, uh the the this 1992 Supreme Court case, New York versus United States, the the phrase, the Constitution protects us from our own best intentions.
53:41
SPEAKER_26: It divides power among sovereigns and among branches of the government precisely, so then we might resist the temptation to concentrate power in one location as the expedient solution to the crisis of the day.
53:55
SPEAKER_26: Now, that paragraph is the counterpoint to what the Democratic Socialists are saying, it underscores what Bill Maher was saying, it explains the why.
54:05
SPEAKER_26: You know, we federalism secures to individuals the liberties that derive from the diffusion of sovereign power.
54:13
SPEAKER_26: Right?
54:13
SPEAKER_26: And and and those are true statements.
54:16
SPEAKER_26: They are they are tautological.
54:18
SPEAKER_26: Um, you know, at the end of the day, yeah, um uh liberty is derived from the diffusion of sovereign power.
54:26
SPEAKER_26: When you concentrate power in one location, that power is going to be abused.
54:30
SPEAKER_26: If that doesn't explain everything that went wrong with the pandemic, I don't know what it does.
54:36
SPEAKER_26: And and certainly every time I want to push back against something, let's not say dumb or idiotic.
54:44
SPEAKER_26: Let's just say the wrong policy choice that this administration wants to make, that's what I'm guided by.
54:52
SPEAKER_26: Um and and and so, you know, you I actually let me point something else out because I think it may be it was sent to me this morning.
55:00
SPEAKER_26: Tom DeLay has a piece in Newsmax.
55:02
SPEAKER_26: I think it's Newsmax.
55:04
SPEAKER_26: Um you guys are gonna see my big Mr.
55:06
SPEAKER_26: Magoo glasses.
55:08
SPEAKER_26: Okay, you're not yes, I know, I know, I know.
55:12
SPEAKER_26: My uh that I'm one to talk, so uh got this.
55:14
SPEAKER_26: Yeah, no, I'm sorry, it's in the Daily Wire.
55:16
SPEAKER_26: Uh Tom DeLay on the the the Brendan Carr is calling for changing by fiat.
55:23
SPEAKER_26: You know, Brendan Carr, chairman of the FCC.
55:25
SPEAKER_26: I love Brendan, uh, I consider him a friend, but he wants to change the uh the amount of media that any individual owner can have in a in a market.
55:33
SPEAKER_26: And this is something that Congress decided.
55:36
SPEAKER_26: Brendan Carr doesn't have that power, absent congressional action.
55:39
SPEAKER_26: So it's just anyway, this is a piece from Tom DeLay in the Daily Wire um uh this morning uh that somebody sent to me uh on this issue and why they did what they did here.
55:48
SPEAKER_26: Uh here you can see that.
55:51
SPEAKER_26: Tom DeLay, I helped create this blah blah blah blah.
55:53
SPEAKER_26: I don't know, maybe backwards.
55:54
SPEAKER_26: Um so so yeah, so that's was it backwards, John?
55:57
SPEAKER_26: Did I send it up and it was backwards to you?
55:59
SPEAKER_24: No, you got it.
55:59
SPEAKER_24: You got it just right.
56:00
SPEAKER_24: Let me let's let's wrap up this part of our discussion this morning, talking with the president of the Institute for Liberty, Andrew Langer, um, about this concern that we have.
56:10
SPEAKER_24: Obviously, there's concern of young DSA, young Democrats, you know, indoctrinated through the public education system.
56:17
SPEAKER_24: Um when it comes to this concern over young conservatives, playing devil's advocate here, okay, if I'm even using that appropriately with how I'm gonna word this.
56:28
SPEAKER_24: Um so you know, it comes off like it's the establishment concern about a continued MAGA movement.
56:36
SPEAKER_24: I'm really trying to bring this back to the base level.
56:38
SPEAKER_24: Right.
56:39
SPEAKER_24: When I see a comment like that where you have young conservatives who are eager uh to push forward, you know, conservative ideologies and ideals, you got an individual like Mike Pence speaking, who, you know, is who you know staunch conservatives are not the biggest fan of anymore.
56:54
SPEAKER_24: It does come off like it's the establishment pushing back on the potential future of MAGA.
56:58
SPEAKER_26: Right, right, right.
56:59
SPEAKER_26: But move and and and that's that's fair, you know, insofar as movements change over time.
57:03
SPEAKER_26: But let me add a caveat to this, which is you know, movements when movements become popular, movements get corrupted.
57:13
SPEAKER_26: And I don't mean that from within.
57:15
SPEAKER_26: I I mean or not necessarily from within, but movements get corrupted from without, right?
57:20
SPEAKER_26: We had a Tea Party movement that was begun in 2009, and the establishment had fears about the Tea Party movement, um, and some of them were founded and some of them were unfounded.
57:30
SPEAKER_26: Um, but what happened is that this movement grew and a bunch of folks got elected, and at least it was based on truly conservative free market-limited government principles.
57:40
SPEAKER_26: But it was when the Tea Party movement began to get infiltrated by the um um uh by the uh what's the word I'm looking for, the corrupt crowd, the uh they're not they're not shills um by the uh grifters, the grifter class.
57:57
SPEAKER_26: Uh you know, and folks began to claim the Tea Party movement as their own and use the Tea Party moniker for their own ends and pull it in places where the movement uh wouldn't have gone and didn't go originally, that's a problem.
58:10
SPEAKER_26: And so we had a we had a MAGA movement, um, and we can debate back and forth about the merits of protectionism, um, but at the very core, some of it was about getting rid of big government approaches to doing things.
58:23
SPEAKER_26: Um, and then when I see, let's say, uh, a former Democrat very heavily involved in environmental policy in New York State who is running as an independent and and gets uh uh his his movement gets co-opted into the MAGA movement, you see the opportunities for the far-left environmental movement to start to infiltrate the MAGA movement under the guise of something called Maha.
58:50
SPEAKER_26: And this sounds like a conspiracy theory.
58:52
SPEAKER_26: But right, when you have somebody like Lee Zeldon, uh committed conservative, true conservative, free market, limited government, seeing the bad juju that is happening over at uh uh the EPA, and he's getting in there and doing what Republicans have promised to do at the EPA for decades, right?
59:11
SPEAKER_26: Basically, uh since you know, carrying on in the post-Reagan tradition of reforming the Environmental Protection Agency, and you've got folks who've never been involved in the conservative movement who show up and they start to try to get Lee Zeldon fired for doing what he promised to do, and frankly, what the president promised to do, that's that's uh uh concerning to me.
59:33
SPEAKER_26: Um, you know, when you have a movement that is built on making sure that the government doesn't muck around needlessly in marketplaces, uh all of a sudden you have folks starting to say, again, let's cap credit card interest rates at 10% per year.
59:50
SPEAKER_26: And you know, you can you spin out all of the reasons why this is bad policy, and a 25-year-old says to you, yeah, but it's really popular.
59:59
SPEAKER_26: I mean, that's that's a problem.
1:00:01
SPEAKER_26: Sure.
1:00:02
SPEAKER_26: Sure.
1:00:02
SPEAKER_26: Yeah.
1:00:03
SPEAKER_24: Andrew Langer, uh, president of the Institute for Liberty.
1:00:05
SPEAKER_24: Uh, a couple things before I let you go.
1:00:07
SPEAKER_24: First off, you mentioned uh you mentioned earlier uh potentially sounding like uh an old man, you know, uh screaming screaming at the kids.
1:00:14
SPEAKER_26: Get off my nose.
1:00:16
SPEAKER_24: I have an article from Bring Me the News for next hour.
1:00:19
SPEAKER_24: Um uh Minnesota man actually went so far as to lay spikes on his lawn to keep the kids away.
1:00:25
SPEAKER_24: There you go.
1:00:26
SPEAKER_26: So that's that's taking a clearly watched last week's episode of the House of the Dragon.
1:00:32
SPEAKER_24: Uh anything you would like uh those that are listening and uh watching you, uh president of the Institute for Liberty, Andrew Langer, to check out before we say goodbye this morning.
1:00:40
SPEAKER_26: Uh the the new episode of the lunch hour, the Washington Signal Lunch Hour podcast dropped today.
1:00:44
SPEAKER_26: It's part two.
1:00:45
SPEAKER_26: Actually, we're gonna have another part of this too.
1:00:47
SPEAKER_26: Um, but part two of our ongoing series about AI and government power.
1:00:51
SPEAKER_26: I sit down with Wayne Cruz today uh and and have a great conversation with him uh about about all kinds of stuff.
1:00:59
SPEAKER_26: So uh uh check that out.
1:01:00
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1:01:02
SPEAKER_26: And by the way, John, um I know you I know this this show has taken off because I I I announced my Twitter handle last week at Andrew underscore langer, and I got a bunch of immediate follows, which is which is terrific.
1:01:13
SPEAKER_26: Oh, nice.
1:01:13
SPEAKER_26: At Andrew underscore langer.
1:01:14
SPEAKER_26: So thanks for that.
1:01:15
SPEAKER_26: Uh and by the way, just real quick, uh, 200th episode of the uh lunch hour podcast.
1:01:20
SPEAKER_26: Uh we're gonna be recording that tomorrow.
1:01:22
SPEAKER_26: Thank you.
1:01:23
SPEAKER_26: Um four years, which is kind of stunning.
1:01:26
SPEAKER_26: Thanks.
1:01:27
SPEAKER_26: Um it's gonna be a music episode, it'll drop in a couple of weeks.
1:01:31
SPEAKER_26: Uh Jerry Rogers from Real Clear Health, your friend, I'm sure you remember Tim Lee uh from Arizona, uh, Center for Individual Freedom.
1:01:38
SPEAKER_26: Uh the three of us are gonna sit down and talk about uh uh uh ask such thorny questions as uh which iteration of the Rolling Stones was the best, which which era um uh was best.
1:01:49
SPEAKER_26: Uh were the were the Beatles better before or after they got facial hair?
1:01:54
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1:01:56
SPEAKER_26: What what makes a great hit song?
1:01:58
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1:02:02
SPEAKER_26: So so tune in uh the federal I'm sorry, the Washington Signals lunch hour.
1:02:06
SPEAKER_24: Andrew Langer, as always, man.
1:02:08
SPEAKER_24: Great to uh see you.
1:02:09
SPEAKER_24: Great to talk with you, and uh, let's do it again uh next week.
1:02:11
SPEAKER_24: Thanks, bud.
1:02:12
SPEAKER_24: Take care.
1:02:13
SPEAKER_24: All right, as we wrap up uh this first hour for a Monday here on the John Justice show, presented by American Experiment.
1:02:19
SPEAKER_24: I got a couple of clips to share, including another from uh Bill Maher.
1:02:22
SPEAKER_24: Uh as we were talking about a moment ago, uh political commentator Bill Maher attacked the rise of Democrat socialism on his talk show, fretting how the movement has entered the Democrat Party.
1:02:34
SPEAKER_24: And it'll be interesting to see if Bill Maher is paving the way in any way, shape, or form for other individuals on the left who you know want to be rational about what's happening to the Democrat Party.
1:02:48
SPEAKER_24: This is not the Democrat Party of old anymore.
1:02:52
SPEAKER_24: Watch any of those clips from former president Barack Obama, who was playing a role back when he was in office, obviously.
1:02:58
SPEAKER_24: But even Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and others.
1:03:02
SPEAKER_24: They used to sound on the major issues like conservatives do today.
1:03:07
SPEAKER_24: But the party has been taken over, co-opted by radical Marxists labeling themselves as the DSA here in America, and you have gubernatorial candidates like uh Lamy Klobishar unwilling to go and push back on them.
1:03:22
SPEAKER_24: Here's a little bit more, though, of what Bill Maher had to say on his most uh recent show.
1:03:27
SPEAKER_03: Vice President J.D.
1:03:28
SPEAKER_03: Vance was on the show, and I told him that if the Democratic Party keeps going in the direction of the DSA, my vote was in play.
1:03:36
SPEAKER_03: And all I heard all vacation was, Oh my God, you're a Republican now.
1:03:40
SPEAKER_03: No, that's not what I said.
1:03:42
SPEAKER_03: I said in play.
1:03:44
SPEAKER_03: And here's why.
1:03:46
SPEAKER_03: Because not a week goes by where I don't read about some newly chosen, exciting new face in the Democratic Party.
1:03:53
SPEAKER_03: And then when that face opens its mouth, the Communist Manifesto or some other crazy comes out.
1:04:01
SPEAKER_03: Again, let's just read the quotes.
1:04:03
SPEAKER_03: The DSA platform says your work, you work as much as you are able and no more than needed.
1:04:10
SPEAKER_03: If that was any closer to Karl Marx's dictum from each according to his abilities to each according to his needs, they'd be sued for plagiarism.org.
1:04:48
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1:05:04
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1:05:08
SPEAKER_24: Good morning, Isaac.
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SPEAKER_13: I was ready to jump in whenever.
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1:05:11
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1:05:14
SPEAKER_24: Uh Senate candidate Tom Weiler will be joining us coming up just at uh after the bottom of the hour.
1:05:20
SPEAKER_24: And then in the eight o'clock hour at 8 30, uh we will uh introduce to you uh policy fellow here at Center of the American Experiment, Darren Nelson, handles a lot of the energy issues.
1:05:31
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1:05:45
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1:06:18
SPEAKER_16: This is Mike up and we um uh Bill Maher and the CPD on the view said that we have a lot of socialism in this country.
1:06:27
SPEAKER_16: Um what they don't entail to mention and add on is that we have a very robust free market system.
1:06:34
SPEAKER_16: That's support this.
1:06:35
SPEAKER_16: And I'd rather have a system where millions of people make the decisions for tens of millions of people rather than one system, the government making the decisions for the rest of us.
1:06:45
SPEAKER_16: And that's why we have the system that we have.
1:06:48
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1:06:56
SPEAKER_24: Andrew Langer, we just got off the line with him.
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1:07:15
SPEAKER_24: But we got into a uh a really good uh conversation regarding the future of conservatism.
1:07:21
SPEAKER_24: Uh we had Andrew Langer speaking at the Western Summit Conference uh over the weekend.
1:07:26
SPEAKER_24: Also, uh Mike Pence was talking there and uh referencing an article from Politico about the rise of young conservatives who may be too ideologically loyal to the party and may not be exuding uh a level of uh competence and intelligence on major issues.
1:07:45
SPEAKER_24: Really interesting conversation.
1:07:47
SPEAKER_24: Don't agree with the entirety of the article itself.
1:07:50
SPEAKER_24: Again, my my sort of gut reaction to it was this establishment pushback on young conservatives who are leaning into the Make America Great Again or America First uh movement.
1:08:03
SPEAKER_24: Now, that is to say, though, you want to make sure that we have young conservative activists that are competent and are intelligent and are intelligent.
1:08:11
SPEAKER_24: But again, reading that piece, I was a little hesitant to hop on board with the with the commentary.
1:08:18
SPEAKER_24: Um, and they were really kind of placing it in the same category as the young radical leftists right now.
1:08:24
SPEAKER_24: And I there's aspects of it that I simply disagree with.
1:08:27
SPEAKER_24: But in the middle of that uh conversation with Andrew Langer, he brought up the Maha movement and how there are some portions of the Maha movement at the federal regulatory level that have been co-opted by some individuals on the left.
1:08:40
SPEAKER_24: Well, this provides me the opportunity to play a clip from over the weekend, not directly related to what I'm talking about, but worthy of sharing on the show nonetheless.
1:08:49
SPEAKER_24: So uh RFK Jr.
1:08:51
SPEAKER_24: was on CNN, this clip has gone viral, talking with Dana Bash and basically just sticking it to uh Dana Bash uh regarding the embarrassing past of the media and how they pushed forward false narratives.
1:09:07
SPEAKER_24: Uh, give this a listen here on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
1:09:13
SPEAKER_02: Of course you are not.
1:09:15
SPEAKER_02: All you know how to do is repeat things that people told you and say, trust the experts.
1:09:20
SPEAKER_02: That's what you did during COVID.
1:09:22
SPEAKER_02: Now we know that Anthony Fauci, who was the expert, was lying about everything, about mass, about the social distancing, about natural immunity, about the transmission from the vaccine, about the source of COVID.
1:09:36
SPEAKER_02: He was lying, and you were punishing people for not trusting the experts, and now you're rolling out the experts again to talk about something that you have no personal knowledge of.
1:09:47
SPEAKER_05: Okay, well, guess what?
1:09:49
SPEAKER_05: That is my job.
1:09:54
SPEAKER_24: I love the fact that, at least perception-wise, and it's been it's been like this for a while, but as of late, I love the fact that people are showing a level of courage in going after the mainstream media in the same way that RFK Jr.
1:10:12
SPEAKER_24: did in that clip.
1:10:14
SPEAKER_24: The mainstream media did this to themselves.
1:10:18
SPEAKER_24: They became political pundits, the majority of them, not just the editorial individuals, the talking heads in round table shows.
1:10:26
SPEAKER_24: No, I'm talking about across the board.
1:10:28
SPEAKER_24: They all became, you know, opinion social media influence generators, and their bias has been showing through for decades now.
1:10:39
SPEAKER_24: And I'm so happy to see the level of pushback that they're finally getting on their shows.
1:10:46
SPEAKER_24: The willingness of individuals to go on these shows and to go directly at these alleged journalists because of just the double standard of the mainstream media and how in the tank so many of them are on the left.
1:11:02
SPEAKER_24: So just a hat tip to RFK Jr.
1:11:05
SPEAKER_24: there for pushing back on Dana Bash.
1:11:07
SPEAKER_24: Again, the blaster line is 612-584-4565.
1:11:11
SPEAKER_24: Friend of the show, Eric, has a comment regarding Bill Maher on the show.
1:11:15
SPEAKER_15: Great show, Bill Marr.
1:11:16
SPEAKER_15: Um, Bill Maher is a 70-year-old man, and the DSA is going to basically wave off Democrat, the old guard.
1:11:26
SPEAKER_15: Um, that's just what's gonna happen.
1:11:28
SPEAKER_15: They're not gonna listen to him.
1:11:29
SPEAKER_15: Fetterman maybe to listen to, but anyone over the age of 70, which includes a lot of people, the present Elizabeth Warren, they're not gonna listen to him.
1:11:40
SPEAKER_24: It's an interesting comment, uh, Eric, and and I agree with you.
1:11:44
SPEAKER_24: Um, the old guard that is leaning heavily now into the DSA, uh, and I'll include Lammy Clobuchar in this because she's not pushing back on any of this either.
1:11:54
SPEAKER_24: Um, you're right.
1:11:55
SPEAKER_24: I don't see them changing their ways, but there are a handful of voices out there uh that are willing to step up and call out their own party.
1:12:03
SPEAKER_24: And probably more specifically, those talking heads that I was just referring to that go on the mainstream media shows, they get into these round table discussions.
1:12:13
SPEAKER_24: I'm just curious to see, and I'm not holding my breath, whether or not that encourages others to go and speak openly and directly against just what's happening to the party that they belong to.
1:12:27
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SPEAKER_22: Hey John, I have a college-aged young conservative uh in my family, and I have to tell you after the election and after some of the things started rolling out from the administration, he was really frustrated when the comments did not have college age playing out.
1:13:05
SPEAKER_22: There are young conservatives who are competent and competent, and they just want people's words after action.
1:13:16
SPEAKER_24: Interesting.
1:13:17
SPEAKER_24: Uh Heather, thank you so much for the comment.
1:13:19
SPEAKER_24: And you know, I'm glad that we're having this discussion.
1:13:23
SPEAKER_24: Uh, it wasn't a conversation that I expected to emerge.
1:13:28
SPEAKER_24: It's kind of come out of uh out of nowhere, but it it speaks volumes to what's going to be the future of the Republican Party, in as much as what's going to be the future of the Democrat Party.
1:13:42
SPEAKER_24: And what you see here is a um, you know, sort of a mirror image of each other.
1:13:48
SPEAKER_24: You see the the left and the and the the young activists indoctrinated within the public school system.
1:13:55
SPEAKER_24: We know how radical they've become, but I also think what we're seeing is the flip side to that.
1:14:01
SPEAKER_24: Where a lot of individuals who have been raised in conservative households, uh staunch Christian households.
1:14:08
SPEAKER_24: I've seen this in my own family.
1:14:10
SPEAKER_24: Um, especially with my oldest uh Logan, who's 24, when it comes to his political beliefs and how strong his opinions uh are on a number of issues, even more so than than I am.
1:14:24
SPEAKER_24: And I think it's I think they're directly correlated with with one another.
1:14:28
SPEAKER_24: And it's good that we're having this conversation now because it's a conversation that we're gonna need to have in the future.
1:14:33
SPEAKER_24: Because these are the individuals that are gonna shape politics for the decades uh to come.
1:14:38
SPEAKER_24: And it's one of the reasons why I'm so excited to be doing this show here at American Experiment, why I had initially invited Catherine Johnson and Grace Keating on my show prior to arriving here at American uh Experiment, because these are the individuals that represent the future of the Republican Party and conservatism.
1:14:59
SPEAKER_24: And I don't think he minds me saying so.
1:15:01
SPEAKER_24: Isaac falls into this category as well.
1:15:04
SPEAKER_24: And it's really educational for me being around a group of young people beyond my sons to see how they are filtering life through the politicization that we're faced with, which is certainly more extreme than I have seen in the entirety of certainly the 30 years that I've been a conservative or I've been on the radio, or 25 years that I've been a conservative news talk show host, and for as long as I've been involved uh politically.
1:15:31
SPEAKER_24: So it's a good thing that we're starting to have this uh this conversation now.
1:15:34
SPEAKER_24: I absolutely uh welcome it.
1:15:36
SPEAKER_24: Now, speaking of uh young people getting involved, kind of falls into that category, or it's just a really, really weak attempt at a transition on my part.
1:15:45
SPEAKER_24: So coming up, WNBA coach protests.
1:15:49
SPEAKER_24: Sophie Cunningham with a pro-transit t-shirt, as a bunch of lunatics protested uh outside the target center in the game.
1:15:58
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SPEAKER_20: Okay, I'm just a thought on the young conservative, because I have one as well.
1:21:35
SPEAKER_20: I think a couple things.
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1:21:48
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1:21:50
SPEAKER_20: And then lastly, when they graduate school, they realize what a waste of time it was sitting in that classroom because it got them nowhere in life.
1:21:59
SPEAKER_20: So they're definitely ready to make some changes.
1:22:02
SPEAKER_24: Well, and I think when you couple that the extremism on the left, there is a desire to rationally confront that extremism that they see playing out on the streets.
1:22:15
SPEAKER_24: I'm not seeing young conservatives wanting to go and be uh violent or protest in the same way as they see on the left, but there certainly is this level of concern and frustration that I've seen from, again, young conservatives, my sons included, where they see this extremism.
1:22:36
SPEAKER_24: They're concerned about what's going to happen in the future, and it is cementing their views and opinions, and in some cases making them even more extreme than you would, you know, typically uh expect.
1:22:50
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1:22:54
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SPEAKER_18: Good morning, John.
1:22:58
SPEAKER_18: This is uh friend Joe from Victoria.
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SPEAKER_18: Um as per usual, you can put out the Democrats in the two categories and wolf.
1:23:06
SPEAKER_18: Um like James Carvel.
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1:23:14
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1:23:17
SPEAKER_24: So uh thank you for the comment, uh Joseph.
1:23:20
SPEAKER_24: Uh, you can also email John.justice at AmericanExperimenta.org.
1:23:25
SPEAKER_24: Now speaking of young individuals out there voicing their opinion, fighting for what's right, I think you can include some of these WNBA players uh into the into the mix um regarding what has been what has been taking place.
1:23:41
SPEAKER_24: Indiana Fever Guard Sophie Cunningham's comments defending women's sports continued to uh reverberate across the WNBA on Sunday, as the Minnesota Lynx head coach Cheryl Reeve appeared to protest the fever by wearing a trans kids' belong shirt during Minnesota's 108-100 victory over uh Indiana.
1:24:06
SPEAKER_24: Reeves' shirt marked the latest public response to Cunningham, who's become one of the league's most polarizing figures after saying biological males should not compete in girls and women's sports.
1:24:20
SPEAKER_24: Now, in response to the Lynx uh coach wearing the trans shirt, ESPN was borderline gushing over the fact that she was going and wearing that, wearing that shirt.
1:24:33
SPEAKER_24: Here's a little bit of what they uh of what they had today.
1:24:37
SPEAKER_04: Well, we see Carol Reed wearing a first going support of trans kids.
1:24:43
SPEAKER_04: Trans kids belong on the shirt.
1:24:46
SPEAKER_04: This is the aftermath of Sophie Cunningham, Christopher Thomas.
1:24:49
SPEAKER_04: We have first off girl and go free uh center court today.
1:24:58
SPEAKER_04: Spent a lot of time talking at length Wikipedia about this topic.
1:25:02
SPEAKER_25: I would encourage anyone to go and listen to Phil Reed's comments, incredibly thoughtful, easy to find, online, and just encourage anyone to go and listen.
1:25:16
SPEAKER_24: Oh, but of course, don't go and uh listen to what Sophie Cunningham had to had to say, right?
1:25:21
SPEAKER_24: Just go and listen to what Cheryl had to say.
1:25:23
SPEAKER_24: Is there any can you point to another issue where you probably can, but can you point, though, to another issue that the left is more incorrect about than boys playing in girls' sports?
1:25:40
SPEAKER_24: That seems to be that's like that is like the biggest no-brainer.
1:25:45
SPEAKER_24: And yet you have those on the left, including gubernatorial uh candidate Lammy Clobusar, still refusing to go and support the banning of boys playing in girls' sports.
1:26:00
SPEAKER_24: Before tip-off, Cunningham and Reeve met briefly at mid-court in what appeared to be a cordial conversation.
1:26:06
SPEAKER_24: Reeve later told reporters the two discussed the responsibility that comes with having large public platforms, but declined to elaborate on specifics.
1:26:15
SPEAKER_24: Both of us understand that we have platforms and we both uh talked about uh wanting to, more than anything, to educate.
1:26:21
SPEAKER_24: As a matter of fact, I have the clip here.
1:26:22
SPEAKER_24: Let me just go ahead and play um a bit of the back and forth uh with the links uh head coach Cheryl uh Reeve and local uh before the game you had uh conversation with Sophie Cunningham.
1:26:33
SPEAKER_30: I did if you want to share what you talked about, feel free.
1:26:36
SPEAKER_30: But more of my question is just how important is it to have those like in-person conversations with people that are different views?
1:26:45
SPEAKER_30: I think it's great.
1:26:46
SPEAKER_25: Um, I think both of us understand that we um, you know, we have platforms, and you know, we both talked about you know wanting to more than anything educate, and there are some things that you know we have in common, and maybe some things you differ on, just like any issues, and I think it's how you handle things.
1:27:05
SPEAKER_25: And and so um, you know, it was it was nice to be in person for sure.
1:27:11
SPEAKER_24: So she's unwilling to go and talk about the conversation that she had with Sophie Cunningham, but she's more than willing to go and extrapolate further talking to the to the media.
1:27:24
SPEAKER_24: How insulting is it to all of her WNBA players on the links to have their head coach wearing a politically charged shirt like she did.
1:27:41
SPEAKER_24: So I listen, I don't watch the WNBA.
1:27:43
SPEAKER_24: The few times that I've considered watching the WNBA, it was one, Caitlin Clark because of the controversies surrounding Caitlin Clark, and then two, what has transpired because of Sophie Cunningham.
1:27:55
SPEAKER_24: The WNBA is already riddled with all kinds of criticism.
1:28:00
SPEAKER_24: Right.
1:28:00
SPEAKER_24: They're memes online.
1:28:02
SPEAKER_24: I don't know whether or not it's warranted or not.
1:28:04
SPEAKER_24: Again, I don't watch the W NBA.
1:28:07
SPEAKER_24: But what a ridiculously stupid thing for the Lynx coach to go and do to take the attention and the focus away from these professional female players and instead turn it over to this issue that the left is absolutely wrong on every level with.
1:28:26
SPEAKER_24: The atmosphere inside the target center reflected the controversy surrounding Cunningham's remarks.
1:28:31
SPEAKER_24: She was loudly booed during the player introductions.
1:28:35
SPEAKER_24: And again, nearly every time she touched the ball throughout the afternoon to keep it classy, uh, Minnesota.
1:28:42
SPEAKER_24: Some fans inside the arena also wore shirts displaying the same trans kids belong slogan as Reeve.
1:28:49
SPEAKER_24: And yet you could not have a rational conversation with any single one of the individuals that were protesting Sophie Cunningham regarding this issue, because there is no justification for it.
1:29:00
SPEAKER_24: The tension spilled onto the court during the second quarter when Cunningham absorbed an elbow to the face while defending a Minnesota player.
1:29:07
SPEAKER_24: Now, despite appearing to take the contact, officials assessed to Cunningham with a defensive foul instead.
1:29:15
SPEAKER_24: The ruling prompted confusion from the game's broadcast crew and loud cheers from the home crowd after officials briefly uh reviewed the play and allowed the call to stand.
1:29:30
SPEAKER_17: The WRDA, they need to just rename it for the LP NBA.
1:29:34
SPEAKER_17: It's the lesbian trans NBA.
1:29:37
SPEAKER_17: Nobody needs to watch it anymore.
1:29:39
SPEAKER_17: Caitlin Clark and filter cutting games can go and charge their own movie that people don't actually want to watch.
1:29:45
SPEAKER_17: That might have a better talent.
1:29:48
SPEAKER_17: Nobody should watch the WRDA anymore.
1:29:53
SPEAKER_24: Obviously, there are individuals that watch the WNBA.
1:29:57
SPEAKER_24: Actually, Isaac, have you ever watched the WNBA anymore?
1:29:59
SPEAKER_13: I have been to a couple WNBA games, but watch is a strong word.
1:30:05
SPEAKER_24: Is the quality?
1:30:06
SPEAKER_24: I mean, is the quality again?
1:30:07
SPEAKER_24: I don't I haven't watched any of them.
1:30:09
SPEAKER_24: It's not great.
1:30:10
SPEAKER_13: It's not great.
1:30:10
SPEAKER_24: Why is that?
1:30:12
SPEAKER_24: That doesn't make sense to me.
1:30:13
SPEAKER_24: I mean, because listen, I mean, obviously, this is a really good example of what I was talking about a moment ago, where in this issue of boys playing in girl sports, I think it's exemplified in the physical prowess of male NBA players versus W NBA players.
1:30:28
SPEAKER_24: That's not to say that women can't play basketball and some of them can't play well, but there certainly is a uh a marked difference in the quality of play of your female uh WMBA players versus your male NBA players.
1:30:43
SPEAKER_24: But even then, you would think you would be able to get together a solid enough group of female basketball players, or is it just a biological thing?
1:30:51
SPEAKER_24: Not that I put you on a spot or anything.
1:30:53
SPEAKER_13: But uh I've uh so much of the MBA is played above the rim.
1:30:57
SPEAKER_13: Like so much of it, the rebounding, the dunking, the um passing, even it's a you just take away that element.
1:31:03
SPEAKER_13: It really does take away a entertainment value.
1:31:07
SPEAKER_13: Interesting.
1:31:08
SPEAKER_24: And certainly going and focusing on the uh controversies um is yeah, it doesn't help.
1:31:13
SPEAKER_24: Is uh yeah, I think unhelpful would probably be the best way to go in discretion, right?
1:31:19
SPEAKER_24: Indiana fever head coach Stephanie White dropped the ball, according to an article from Daily Wire, when pressed on whether biological males belong in women's sports, offering up a classic corporate-style dodge, while her own star player, Sophie Cunningham, continues to throw down pure uh common sense.
1:31:37
SPEAKER_24: Asked point in blank about her personal stance on biological men competing in female athletics, uh White uh punted faster than an NFL punter on a fourth and long, according to the writing at the uh Daily Wire.
1:31:49
SPEAKER_24: White says soft answer on a hard-hitting issue is irritating, especially when her own locker room features one of the most outspoken defenders of women's sports in the entire league.
1:31:59
SPEAKER_24: Here's what she said, though.
1:32:00
SPEAKER_24: I don't know that I would say that I'm educated enough from a scientific standpoint.
1:32:05
SPEAKER_24: I don't ever believe that exclusion is an answer.
1:32:08
SPEAKER_24: I just don't.
1:32:09
SPEAKER_24: White hemmed and Hod falling back on her childhood days of playing with boys because there weren't girls' sports.
1:32:16
SPEAKER_24: Now, pressed further on whether she would become uh if she would welcome a biological male onto a WMBA uh roster.
1:32:24
SPEAKER_24: White doubled down on the tap dance.
1:32:26
SPEAKER_24: Again, it's like I don't know.
1:32:28
SPEAKER_24: I'm not educated enough in terms of transgender and transitioning to give you a smart answer.
1:32:35
SPEAKER_24: I'm sorry, based off of that um that response alone, like she doesn't even deserve to be a head coach of a team if you can't even go and take a take a stance on this.
1:32:47
SPEAKER_24: If you want to comment, uh John dot justice at americanexperiment.org.
1:32:51
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1:33:01
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1:33:04
SPEAKER_24: We'll get to some of those uh coming up here on the uh on the show.
1:33:09
SPEAKER_24: Uh with that, though, I do want to uh welcome in Senate uh candidate, and I'll say friend of the show.
1:33:16
SPEAKER_24: It's good to see him in person, Tom Wyler.
1:33:18
SPEAKER_24: Good morning, Tom.
1:33:19
SPEAKER_24: How are we doing this morning, sir?
1:33:20
SPEAKER_24: Great, John.
1:33:20
SPEAKER_24: How are you doing?
1:33:21
SPEAKER_24: I'm doing fantastic.
1:33:22
SPEAKER_24: Thank you so much for uh for uh joining the uh the show this morning.
1:33:26
SPEAKER_24: And I know we certainly didn't discuss this um ahead of time, but I would be curious, sort of um, you know, your thoughts.
1:33:31
SPEAKER_24: There was protests taking place outside the target center of Sophie Cunningham during the Lynx game.
1:33:37
SPEAKER_24: Um the issue of of uh boys playing in girls' sports continues to be a hot button one.
1:33:42
SPEAKER_24: Certainly, uh that's where this all centers around.
1:33:44
SPEAKER_24: Um, you know, any any thoughts on these uh on these controversies, Tom?
1:33:47
SPEAKER_23: Uh a fairly profound thought here.
1:33:49
SPEAKER_23: I I think girls should play against girls and boys should play against boys.
1:33:53
SPEAKER_24: Very it's very very straightforward and boy, uh so controversial as well.
1:33:58
SPEAKER_24: This issue, it seems like just such it's such a no-brainer.
1:34:02
SPEAKER_24: And yet it for me, I can only think that this is just your, for lack of better way to describe it, Tom, your Trump derangement syndrome on full tilt.
1:34:13
SPEAKER_24: Uh, you know, I don't think these individuals care at all about the issue.
1:34:17
SPEAKER_24: They just want to be able to go and push back on on Republicans and the Trump it uh and the Trump administration.
1:34:23
SPEAKER_24: That's the only way I can make sense of anybody taking a stance that it's appropriate for a biological male to play in in girls' sports, uh Tom.
1:34:29
SPEAKER_23: And I think on a bigger picture, what it indicates is how the goal lines have shifted in a dangerous way in this country.
1:34:35
SPEAKER_23: I mean, this is in this specific case.
1:34:37
SPEAKER_23: Think about this can't conversation two years ago, let alone five years ago.
1:34:42
SPEAKER_23: Republicans and Democrats, and I think uh DSA, if they existed back then, would all look at you ten years ago and say, What are you talking about?
1:34:50
SPEAKER_23: Why would boys play in girls' sports?
1:34:52
SPEAKER_23: Yeah.
1:34:52
SPEAKER_23: And to me, this is just one indication of or one uh issue in of many where the goal lines have just shifted so far in the last two to five years, based on this huge swing to the left by the left, and the right basically staying where the right's been for a while.
1:35:08
SPEAKER_23: Um and that that that sliding uh goal line is something of concern.
1:35:13
SPEAKER_23: And and I think this is a social issue of concern, but but really, you know, I'm I want to keep things in perspective.
1:35:19
SPEAKER_23: To me, the the biggest issues in Minnesota right now are we gotta stop fraud, yeah, we need to improve the Minnesota economy, and we need to we need to chart a new course for this state and and get on track, and I and that's why I'm running for the United States Senate.
1:35:31
SPEAKER_24: Yeah, and we'll be getting into um into some of that coming up in our conversation, the website, uh Tom Weiler2026 uh.com.
1:35:39
SPEAKER_24: Uh that's W-E-I-L-E-R 2026.com.
1:35:45
SPEAKER_24: Wrong track, Minnesota.
1:35:46
SPEAKER_24: If you head on over to americanexperiment uh.org, you can see the major issues that Minnesotans are facing uh and the irrefutable issues that Minnesota uh Minnesotans are facing.
1:35:57
SPEAKER_24: And uh towards the end of our conversation, I'll let you choose your own uh your own adventure as we work through the wrong track list.
1:36:03
SPEAKER_24: Um but again, thank you so much for for joining us ahead of uh next week's uh primary, running for Senate Tom Weiler.
1:36:09
SPEAKER_24: So let's talk a little bit about your uh campaign.
1:36:12
SPEAKER_24: I want to get into the controversies of Farm Fest uh as well.
1:36:15
SPEAKER_24: But crowded Senate race.
1:36:17
SPEAKER_24: Um, how are things uh right now when it comes to your campaign and um expectations heading into uh to next Tuesday, the 11th, uh primary day?
1:36:25
SPEAKER_23: Well, my expectation is to win on next Tuesday, primary day.
1:36:28
SPEAKER_23: Uh, and I know that would be a shock to the system and and shock the world, but folks in Minnesota have done that before, so uh I intend to do that again.
1:36:36
SPEAKER_23: And really I am I am feeling really good about our race, mostly because in the last two to three weeks, I'd say, as I continue to travel the the whole state, uh I've been up north for a while and out west focus on those areas, and now I'm gonna be focused on on the southeast correction, southwest and southeast of the next uh week here.
1:36:52
SPEAKER_23: Okay.
1:36:52
SPEAKER_23: But I've just had a lot of folks come up to me, you know, sort of out of the blue, and say, I voted for you already, or I'm excited about your campaign.
1:36:59
SPEAKER_23: I saw you on, you know, this this radio uh um ad or I checked out your website.
1:37:05
SPEAKER_23: So I think my message is getting out there.
1:37:07
SPEAKER_23: Um my uh my signs have been sort of distributed statewide, and we went with sort of the uh Southwest approach.
1:37:14
SPEAKER_23: One size fits all, so we masked uh produced one sign and got that out to all corners of the state.
1:37:20
SPEAKER_23: And I think we're getting some momentum, and I'm really excited about that.
1:37:23
SPEAKER_23: And fundamentally, I think just comes down to um I think I can be the most effective senator for Minnesotans to solve problems in Washington, D.C.
1:37:32
SPEAKER_23: and St.
1:37:32
SPEAKER_23: Paul to fundamentally improve Minnesota's lives.
1:37:35
SPEAKER_23: And and I say that just based on my experience, my understanding of Washington, D.C.
1:37:41
SPEAKER_23: and policies, my leadership, and then the problem-solving acumen I developed over 25 years of serving in the submarine force and and involved with government, national security sector.
1:37:51
SPEAKER_23: And I think my experience is just um to me um will allow me to be an effective senator to really champion the concerns and needs of Minnesotans in Washington, D.
1:38:02
SPEAKER_23: C.
1:38:03
SPEAKER_24: Well, as always, uh talking with uh Tom Weiler or the website, TomWyler2026.com.
1:38:08
SPEAKER_24: Thank you for your for your service.
1:38:10
SPEAKER_24: And um expand upon that just a little bit.
1:38:12
SPEAKER_24: How do you differentiate yourself from the from the other candidates uh in your in your race?
1:38:18
SPEAKER_24: I mean it's a relatively uh crowded, uh, crowded field, and uh I know that you uh you laid it out a bit there, but further expand upon that.
1:38:25
SPEAKER_24: How do you how do you differentiate yourself?
1:38:27
SPEAKER_23: Well, first off, I don't say this enough I don't say this often, but check out I think it was last Wednesday's version of the Star Tribune.
1:38:33
SPEAKER_23: Um not sure if this is uh gonna get on there or not.
1:38:36
SPEAKER_23: This is not not pre-rehearsed, but right there I I I just held up and it's available on my website, um, a basically a Senate, a senator candidate quality and future effectiveness index um that may have been produced by my campaign, of course.
1:38:50
SPEAKER_23: But but really it's it lists the 16, I think, um, committees in the United States Senate.
1:38:55
SPEAKER_23: And and you know, most uh most of your listeners, I'm sure, understand those 16 committees is how uh your tax dollars are distributed across our federal government.
1:39:04
SPEAKER_23: And of those 16 committees, I I have professional uh work experience um or relative experience in in almost all of those 16 um areas of the United States government.
1:39:14
SPEAKER_23: Um candidates like Michelle Tafoya um or Angie or sorry uh Peggy Flanagan, Royce White, or Adam Schwarze, or Angie Craig don't don't even compare on on most of the experience I have.
1:39:27
SPEAKER_23: That won't won't give me all the answers, but it to me it makes me effective and sort of dangerous when I get to Washington, D.C.
1:39:33
SPEAKER_23: I know enough about the committees and what they're supposed to do.
1:39:36
SPEAKER_23: I know they're not doing their job effectively, most profoundly in the fact that the United States Senate has only passed four budgets in my lifetime.
1:39:43
SPEAKER_23: And I think that that um that that ability to understand Washington, D.C.
1:39:47
SPEAKER_23: and to identify and solve problems will make me dangerous in the Washington uh DC area and a good way to go in there, proactively identify and solve problems, again, to bring it back to Minnesotans and just fundamentally improve our way of life by by ensuring our government provides a more effective and efficient product back to the great Minnesotans.
1:40:05
SPEAKER_24: What are your um what's your personal motivation for for running?
1:40:08
SPEAKER_24: It's been a little while since we've talked, and I know we've discussed this before in uh previous uh appearances uh on my show.
1:40:15
SPEAKER_24: But for you, for you personally, you've you've run for office uh a few times now.
1:40:19
SPEAKER_24: What what drives you uh most to serve, uh Tom Weiler?
1:40:23
SPEAKER_23: Well, it's probably the same reason I joined the Navy um 25 years ago.
1:40:26
SPEAKER_23: I I love this country, I love our way of life, and I think it's worth fighting for.
1:40:30
SPEAKER_23: Um I look at my kids and my parents is really my my motivation.
1:40:34
SPEAKER_23: I look at my kids and I say, this isn't the Minnesota I grew up in.
1:40:38
SPEAKER_23: I had a great uh, I thought a great I know a great experience growing up here, and and I just don't see that same opportunity and that upbringing available right now unless we change direction in this state.
1:40:49
SPEAKER_23: And then I look at my parents.
1:40:50
SPEAKER_23: I mean, they're lifelong Minnesotans.
1:40:52
SPEAKER_23: Uh we grew up in Morris, Minnesota, out in the West on uh farms, and um and my dad served in the Navy, so they traveled around the world a little bit, and then the first chance they had uh to move back to Minnesota they did with my brothers and my sister and I, and we grew up in Eden Prairie.
1:41:07
SPEAKER_23: Um and I look at their sort of disappointment and just sort of downtrodden feel of their own home state.
1:41:13
SPEAKER_23: And and to me, we generationally, um, I look at something that we inherited something, and to me, we're we're turning over our worst product to our kids.
1:41:22
SPEAKER_23: And just like you know, the the the parable says, um, you know, um you you want to take something and make it better before before your your time on this earth is done, and really that's fundamentally my motivation.
1:41:33
SPEAKER_23: I think there's a lot to improve in this state.
1:41:35
SPEAKER_23: It is a great state, but but we can do a lot better, and to me, it we have a responsibility, our generation, to to leave this state better off than when we found it, and that's what I hope to do.
1:41:43
SPEAKER_24: Talking with uh Senate candidate uh Tom Weiler, uh somebody had made a comment uh recently, and it's funny because I've now seen this in uh a couple different places outside of Minnesota, which makes me wonder if this individual had pulled this from the other places that I heard it.
1:41:59
SPEAKER_24: Be that as it may.
1:42:00
SPEAKER_24: Um it's this mindset that especially here in Minnesota, you have um voters who want to vote for Democrats who end up passing policy like Republicans.
1:42:13
SPEAKER_24: And there's some similar data points nationwide wherein it really is exposing how effective the left has become in spreading the pop the propaganda against the conservatives, against Republicans across the board, and yet when you really drill down the issues, there are a lot of Democrats out there that would like the conservative Republican policies.
1:42:37
SPEAKER_24: I mean, I mentioned this earlier when you go back and listen to clips from Biden, you know, Bill and Hillary Obama on the key issues that we're faced with today.
1:42:44
SPEAKER_24: They used to sound like Republicans.
1:42:46
SPEAKER_24: So how do you how do you break through that?
1:42:49
SPEAKER_24: How do you break through an individual who is convinced that the right is evil and they won't they won't vote for them, and yet it is the policies of those individuals on the right that they may be most in support of, Tom Weiler?
1:43:03
SPEAKER_23: Well, I think your your question's spot on, and to me, that is that that shifting goalposts.
1:43:08
SPEAKER_23: I mean, it's it's if you just write down the quotes from uh President Obama with regards to the border uh and take out who said that and and quiz quiz the American populace, 85% of those people would say, oh, that's a Republican, obviously, making those statements.
1:43:21
SPEAKER_23: And that was that was you know President Barack Obama talking about immigration.
1:43:25
SPEAKER_23: Um but how I reach out, and and what I've really noticed across campaign trail is Minnesotans are a lot less concerned with uh right or left, they're independent.
1:43:33
SPEAKER_23: They're concerned with what problems are affecting their lives and how can I improve those lives if I'm so honored to be elected as their senator.
1:43:39
SPEAKER_23: And that's what I'm focused on.
1:43:41
SPEAKER_23: Um again, this um the other big part of my website, Tomwaller2026.com, is uh is basically a list of um 11 problems or sorry, nine problems that that I've uh identified on the campaign trail that are sort of the most impactful for Minnesotans and my nine solutions.
1:43:58
SPEAKER_23: It's that simple.
1:43:59
SPEAKER_23: Just check out my website, the nine problems, nine solutions.
1:44:02
SPEAKER_23: And um, and again, these are these are mostly conservative solutions because I'm a conservative.
1:44:07
SPEAKER_23: And to your point, I think our conservative policies are more effective.
1:44:11
SPEAKER_23: And and um a lot of Minnesotans will read that list and say, you know what, um, I I agree with a lot of your solutions, and and even if I don't agree with each one, I respect the fact that you're presenting solutions.
1:44:22
SPEAKER_23: Uh, you see the TV ads right now by all the other candidates, and it's all just negativity and throwing mud back and forth, and no one's talking about a solution.
1:44:30
SPEAKER_23: Um and speaking of talking, um, you know, Michelle Tafoya is completely avoiding the talk altogether.
1:44:35
SPEAKER_23: To me, she's back on the sidelines, uh, too scared to have a debate because she doesn't have any depth or knowledge of what the United States Senate does.
1:44:42
SPEAKER_24: Well, let's talk a little let's uh let's talk about this briefly.
1:44:44
SPEAKER_24: Um, Farmfest uh coming up this week.
1:44:46
SPEAKER_24: Uh I know you've been posting about this online, talking with Tom Weiler.
1:44:51
SPEAKER_24: Um, but there's some controversy regarding who is going to be speaking and debating there and and who isn't.
1:44:58
SPEAKER_24: Can you sort of lay out what's been going on with the controversy and what's been happening with uh with FarmFest, especially uh with regard to the Senate race?
1:45:06
SPEAKER_23: Absolutely.
1:45:06
SPEAKER_23: Um so we live in a democracy and um and part of uh free and open debate is part of our system of government.
1:45:13
SPEAKER_23: And unfortunately, Michelle Tefoya for in her entire run has not had zero debates.
1:45:18
SPEAKER_23: That's that's zero debates, um, and really zero hard questions from any from anyone because she just has been in this um sort of the Biden basement 2.0 uh version of her campaign.
1:45:30
SPEAKER_23: And so as we come up to FarmFest, obviously the the last big um um political event before the before the primaries, or I should say during the primaries, everyone get out and vote early and often.
1:45:41
SPEAKER_23: Um we come up to that, and uh there's three candidates for for the United States Senate, myself, Adam Schwarze, and Rebecca Whiting, who have served in our armed forces, and part of that service is obviously defending our democracy.
1:45:54
SPEAKER_23: And when it comes to FarmFest, it feels like our the three vets, myself included, are not being offered the um the full uh opportunity to participate in our democracy because we are not being allowed at this point to be on stage during this senatorial debate.
1:46:09
SPEAKER_24: Any idea why that uh why that is?
1:46:12
SPEAKER_24: Is it just a choice uh the the choice of the individuals uh hosting it?
1:46:15
SPEAKER_24: Have you have you been able to to reach out and sort of ask them why why why aren't we why aren't we involved in this?
1:46:20
SPEAKER_23: I've reached out um to both uh FarmFest and um and other officials that I've been directed at.
1:46:25
SPEAKER_23: And just like DC politics and St.
1:46:27
SPEAKER_23: Paul politics, there's a lot of pointing back and forth.
1:46:30
SPEAKER_23: Everyone blames the other person, it was their decision, their decision.
1:46:33
SPEAKER_23: But I think it comes down to, you know, they have Royce White and Michelle Tefoy on there from the Republican side, and that's uh you know, that's probably bang for your bucket the most uh entertaining, and again comes down to profit how many viewers and influence are you gonna have?
1:46:46
SPEAKER_23: Um, where I think the more important element is to put the options on the table for Minnesotans and allow Minnesotans to decide the focus of this forum down at FarmFest should not be uh making a quick dollar or gaining influence by either the host or or other candidates.
1:47:01
SPEAKER_23: It should be offering the Minnesotas a general picture of here's your options to be United States Senator.
1:47:06
SPEAKER_23: Now you're more a more informed voter, so go out and vote.
1:47:09
SPEAKER_24: Talking with uh Senate candidate Tom uh Weiler, uh in the midst of this controversy, are you still planning on being up at uh Farmfest or what are your what are your plans between now and uh primary day?
1:47:18
SPEAKER_23: Yep, I will be deployed out to FarmFest.
1:47:20
SPEAKER_23: The uh USS Weiler, my submarine will be there as well.
1:47:23
SPEAKER_23: So I'm uh I plan to be plan and hope to be on stage.
1:47:26
SPEAKER_23: If not, I'm looking at a uh you know, jumping out of an airplane and parachuting in, something to that effect.
1:47:31
SPEAKER_23: But uh just kidding, I'm a submarine, I don't do that.
1:47:33
SPEAKER_23: But uh yeah, I definitely will be out there.
1:47:35
SPEAKER_23: I'm hoping for an invitation to participate in our democracy, and and I will be out there uh either way to to most importantly again talk to the great Minnesotans uh uh attending that event, specifically to roll Minnesotans and farmers and understand uh their biggest concerns and bring those concerns to Washington, D.C.
1:47:53
SPEAKER_23: and hopefully solve problems to improve their lot in life.
1:47:56
SPEAKER_24: We're gonna get to the uh the wrong track Minnesota uh um items that are available up at AmericanExperiment.org here in just a moment with uh Senate candidate Tom Weiler.
1:48:05
SPEAKER_24: Let's turn our attention um just for uh just for a minute uh to your your military background.
1:48:11
SPEAKER_24: Um two different things.
1:48:12
SPEAKER_24: I want to ask you about this um the cyber attack that took place on our water systems here.
1:48:17
SPEAKER_24: I know you were uh talking um about your concern over this online.
1:48:21
SPEAKER_24: Before we get to that, though, in the first hour of the show, which if you missed, you can certainly go and check out via the podcast on all major podcast platforms or uh streaming on the Mix L R app, M-I-X-L-R.
1:48:33
SPEAKER_24: That is the the free app.
1:48:34
SPEAKER_24: But President Donald Trump um was poised for a major assault, maybe even larger than the beginning of Operation Epic Fury when it started some five uh months ago, attempting to bring Iran to the negotiating table.
1:48:48
SPEAKER_24: Um those plans apparently at the moment have been halted as the president uh continues to seek uh diplomacy.
1:48:55
SPEAKER_24: There is rising concern that Iran keeps playing this game, which, as I mentioned at the start of the show, uh the administration, I'm sure, is very well aware of.
1:49:03
SPEAKER_24: But there's concern that that Iran is trying to drag this out to get it to, say, October so that they have more leverage ahead of the November elections, because you know, this is something that I think the administration and certainly myself and others would like to see, you know, at least wrapped up, some sort of deal made uh keeping Iran from being able to wage war.
1:49:23
SPEAKER_24: But your thoughts on what's transpired so far with your military background and this latest attempt of diplomacy um from the uh Trump administration and dealing with the Iranian regime.
1:49:34
SPEAKER_23: Uh well I'll turn this over to Michelle DeForre and see what she has to say.
1:49:38
SPEAKER_23: Oh, she's not here to debate.
1:49:39
SPEAKER_23: Um no, uh so yeah, this is based on twenty-five years experience in the national security sector.
1:49:44
SPEAKER_23: I was deployed off the coast of Iran for six months in 2020 on the USS Eisenhower.
1:49:50
SPEAKER_23: Um and 25 years of top secret SCI, you know, understanding of the situation in Iran.
1:49:56
SPEAKER_23: And first off, I I definitely supported President Trump's initial decision.
1:50:00
SPEAKER_23: To uh to to sort of bring the fight to Iran.
1:50:03
SPEAKER_23: I agree with the um the theory or the statement that we Iran has been at war with us for the last 47 years, murdering Americans across the world.
1:50:13
SPEAKER_23: And and I think if you put it into the context of the Iraq war and the deck of cards there that you know had 52 of their leaders that took uh America, you know, billions of dollars and and much more costly, thousands of American lives to sort of track down that Iraqi leadership when we went in.
1:50:29
SPEAKER_23: We had an opportunity to take down, say, 30 of their leaders with one strike.
1:50:32
SPEAKER_23: So I think that was definitely the right move.
1:50:34
SPEAKER_23: Um and I appreciated President Trump allowing peace a chance or um uh negotiations a chance.
1:50:41
SPEAKER_23: I was skeptical the whole time, and now I think we we we are I think we're past the point actually where we we need to stop negotiating with the um extremist r religious uh fanatics, and we need to eliminate um the threat that that regime poses on the Straits of Armoose and our neighbors.
1:51:00
SPEAKER_23: And we can do that militarily, and it would involve um some some more significant strikes.
1:51:05
SPEAKER_23: But I think at this point, um I think President Trump's he seems to be debating with or yeah, debating with himself on truth social and no connection to the real world um when it comes to the Iranian regime.
1:51:17
SPEAKER_23: They're crazy, and and I think I I credit the administration, President Trump, for for giving them a chance to maybe become normalize the Iranian regime.
1:51:26
SPEAKER_23: Unfortunately, they've proven they haven't.
1:51:27
SPEAKER_23: And any agreement we sign is not worth the paper they sign it on because they they lie and you in and that their fanatical regime doesn't value their citizens like like we do in other other Western nations or other democracies.
1:51:41
SPEAKER_23: And because of that, we we don't understand their motivations.
1:51:44
SPEAKER_23: The regime solely wants to stay in power and um and they don't understand sort of rational acting.
1:51:49
SPEAKER_23: So I think we need to uh eliminate the threat they pose to Americans in the region, to our military, and to international shipping.
1:51:56
SPEAKER_24: Do you buy into this?
1:51:57
SPEAKER_24: Um this it's you know it's been fairly public, and and I've even seen some commentary coming from official sources.
1:52:03
SPEAKER_24: But um, how concerned are you over these thoughts that we're depleting our you know our stockpiles of of ammunition?
1:52:09
SPEAKER_24: I have a hard time believing that we would you know bring ourselves to a point where that would be a concern.
1:52:13
SPEAKER_24: But I'm curious with your again, your military background, Tom Weiler, um, do you think it's possible that that that we have depleted you know some of the some of the missiles and the ammunition we've been using against the regime?
1:52:24
SPEAKER_23: We have definitely depleted that.
1:52:25
SPEAKER_23: Uh we do have the capability to replenish, and that does take time and money.
1:52:30
SPEAKER_23: Um but but we I think this it comes down to uh um priorities, and I think it was the right priority to uh again to make this the initial attack, and now I think we need to sort of complete the military operation to eliminate uh Iran's threat to the region and the world.
1:52:45
SPEAKER_23: Um and and and to me we need we need um sort of I'll dare say the word qualified or folks in the Senate and the House who understand um the priorities of our national security, and this was a worthwhile endeavor, and now we do need to restock our supplies.
1:53:01
SPEAKER_23: By no means are we, you know, um looking at magazines and we're all empty and we're saying, well, if China does anything against uh Taiwan, we don't exactly been framing the wing.
1:53:12
SPEAKER_23: The un the United States is not driving around with empty warships or empty submarines at this point.
1:53:16
SPEAKER_23: I I can I can promise you that.
1:53:18
SPEAKER_23: So so yeah, of course it has a tangible effect on our inventories, and I have confidence in uh the Secretary of War and other decision makers that that we are not we're clearly not fully def d uh uh emptied out and we um have the capability to to defend obviously what we need to and and present a present across across the world.
1:53:38
SPEAKER_24: Uh thank you for letting me pick your brain a bit on uh on this.
1:53:41
SPEAKER_24: Uh just because with your military background, you know, I'm genuinely curious your your thoughts, and let me let me ask you one more question, and then we'll we'll shift our attention over to some uh to some Minnesota matters.
1:53:51
SPEAKER_24: But when it comes to the the dismantling of the Iranian regime's ability to wage war, um we know that they've continued to attack our military bases.
1:54:06
SPEAKER_24: Um there's been you know individuals who act like experts online immediately um regarding you know tactics and why have we not been able to stop them completely?
1:54:16
SPEAKER_24: Are we not the greatest military on the planet?
1:54:18
SPEAKER_24: Can we, you know, I've tried to do my own adding of context, um, the the size of the region, how fragmented um Iranians' military leadership is, how some of these factions are operating on their own.
1:54:30
SPEAKER_24: Um but I'm curious if you could add a little bit more perspective on the difficulty that it is, even with our, you know, United States military might to go and dismantle Iran's ability to go and attack us and our and our allies in the Middle East.
1:54:47
SPEAKER_23: Yeah, and a lot of it is a difficult problem.
1:54:50
SPEAKER_23: Again, the the size of Iran is a surprise to a lot of people.
1:54:54
SPEAKER_23: The the sort of third the size of the United States are crying out loud.
1:54:57
SPEAKER_23: And the the sort of asymmetric threat that these small, sort of cheap, um unmanned uh like basically drones or um not even necessarily unmanned uh water vessels, but you know, a guy on a jet ski is tough to track down.
1:55:10
SPEAKER_23: You know, just picture yourself on a on a cruise ship or uh on a big yacht on Lake Minataka.
1:55:16
SPEAKER_23: I've never had that experience, but some people have.
1:55:18
SPEAKER_23: But uh if if you're a big ship trying to drive, drive through a um navigationally congested body of water where you know you can't go left and right that far, otherwise you're gonna run aground, and a little guy with a jet ski and a bazooka comes out, that's a difficult, difficult problem set.
1:55:32
SPEAKER_23: By no means is you know that guy with a jet ski gonna take over the streets or a moves, but he could wreak havoc on that one ship.
1:55:39
SPEAKER_23: Uh so you take that and multiply it by a million, and that's the Iranian coastline.
1:55:43
SPEAKER_23: With that said, um, we do have the capability to completely eliminate the threat.
1:55:47
SPEAKER_23: But but of course, uh President Trump and and Secretary of War and all the military leaders are are not um you know, we're trying to minimize the damage to first off, minimize the uh the risk to American service members and our American citizens in the region and our allies, and also uh minimize the risk to Iranian citizens themselves, and we don't want to absolutely destroy their country's infrastructure to leave to leave the Iranian people in a in a horrendous state once this military conflict's over.
1:56:17
SPEAKER_23: So what what makes uh the United States military job more difficult is one, the the threat, the prox the size of the area, and also trying to minimize um the impacts of our uh strikes with only eliminating their military capability and not harming sort of the the seven well not har harming the overall Iranian population.
1:56:38
SPEAKER_23: Who knows what the real numbers are, but but what I've heard is between 70 and 85 percent of the Iranian people want absolutely nothing to do with their regime.
1:56:46
SPEAKER_23: You know, they're sitting in their basements or in their living rooms clapping every time they hear an American war jet fly over and and try to eliminate the regime.
1:56:53
SPEAKER_24: So and that's the you know that's the struggle.
1:56:55
SPEAKER_24: We we we want to leave them, you know, a country uh that they can that they can go and uh and hopefully bring about you know bring about a level of freedom, you know, in their own way over there.
1:57:06
SPEAKER_24: And Jen, whoops sorry.
1:57:07
SPEAKER_23: Yeah, no, no, yeah, just real quick on um um trying to jump in here and take over your your gig here.
1:57:13
SPEAKER_23: But uh bringing Minnesota and Iran together, clearly the the water attacks I was disappointed by both President Trump's comments and Governor Wall's uh comments, and um and because that they they've they both sort of well they didn't sort of, they both um minimize the the the aspect of our American service members over there fighting the war.
1:57:34
SPEAKER_23: We're we're we've lost American service members tragically, and um the the focus shun should be you know effectively completing this military mission um and and um and valuing every American uh service member over there.
1:57:49
SPEAKER_23: And this back and forth about um you know Iran Iran didn't attack Minnesota water supply or they did.
1:57:56
SPEAKER_23: Uh what concerns me as a um as a Minnesotan is the fact that I Iran, if they did indeed are or if they are indeed behind these attacks, uh they've demonstrated a capability, which is to affect our water systems, which it's not a tweeting back and forth, uh I got you, uh, between our governor and the United States the United States president.
1:58:17
SPEAKER_23: This is a factor that can significantly harm and threaten Minnesotans.
1:58:22
SPEAKER_23: And once you demonstrate that capability, even to me, they've already s achieved some strategic um win by demonstrating their ability to potentially manipulate water valves because that can go from a we demonstrated a capability, no damage done, to we've infiltrated your water system and now the water's unsafe to drink, and that could get from uh into a very serious issue very quickly.
1:58:46
SPEAKER_23: Um so we we need to take strong measures to one protect uh Minnesota water side and our entire critical infrastructure system from Iranian and all cyber attacks.
1:58:56
SPEAKER_24: Yeah, and what Tom Wyler was uh was mentioning, I'll I'll share the audio again.
1:59:00
SPEAKER_24: You had uh you had Governor Walls um posting in response to Trump's comments saying that uh the president can't win the war against uh Iran, which I just find to be a slap in the face to our to our brave men and women.
1:59:13
SPEAKER_24: But President Donald Trump, when asked about it uh over the weekend, had uh had this.
1:59:18
SPEAKER_05: Can you pull out the bond?
1:59:21
SPEAKER_05: Can you pull out the bond?
1:59:32
SPEAKER_07: I think it's a bit of a thing there was a good uh worst corruption uh tremendous corruption in Minnesota.
1:59:46
SPEAKER_07: And by the way, just gave me a report.
1:59:48
SPEAKER_07: Massive, massive future things having to do with corruption in Minnesota are happening right now.
1:59:54
SPEAKER_06: Thank you for the Well, and two things can be true at once here.
2:00:01
SPEAKER_24: Uh one, you can still support President Donald Trump, and you can also uh not agree with his assessment of what took place with the cyber attack against our water systems, because as we know now from over the weekend, uh it wasn't just us.
2:00:13
SPEAKER_24: There were our neighboring states that were also um uh attacked as uh as well.
2:00:17
SPEAKER_24: How do we go about?
2:00:18
SPEAKER_24: I mean, is it a matter of just shoring up our our own cyber uh security, uh, Tom Weiler, when it comes to to thwarting these types of potential attacks?
2:00:27
SPEAKER_23: Well, this has uh been a significant issue that that I actually had I was fortunate uh while I was a military assistant in the Department of Homeland Defense and Global Security, working in the Secretary of Defense's office a few years ago.
2:00:38
SPEAKER_23: Uh this was that this falls under critical infrastructure, which is our you know, our water systems, our electrical system, our nuclear power plants, uh both uh underwater, on land, and in space.
2:00:49
SPEAKER_23: And this has been a focus of um of the DOD and our national security wit large for a long time.
2:00:55
SPEAKER_23: Um these threats, and it's a very, again, difficult situation, um, or difficult to protect against all threats, but but yeah, this should highlight a vulnerability that needs to be eliminated.
2:01:07
SPEAKER_23: And um, and so the US United States, along with our um um partners, have been focused on this area for a long time, but it's a clearly an indicator that that we need to continue to have active efforts to uh to to protect our systems.
2:01:23
SPEAKER_23: And actually, um a sort of a good way to understand cybersecurity that uh I was uh exposed to a long time ago in a conference specifically on this was um I think it was a cyber expert talking about uh one, you need to defend you know your cyber cybersecurity, but a big element of cybersecurity is um is just like uh to try to make it formalized into sort of the past understanding of wars, is you need to understand if you're flying an airplane, you have threats at all times or potential threats that you're always scanning for, looking, looking, looking, but you need to identify when that when that uh SAM missile uh is in the air.
2:01:58
SPEAKER_23: And that's what our cybersecurity, a big element of our cybersecurity is we're defending 24-7, 24-7, but if we can instantaneously detect when something's an anomaly and sort of secure, you know, lock down our systems, that's something that uh in this case, the second there's a a attempt to penetrate our um say Plymouth, Minnesota's water uh water system, if we can uh have protocols in place to identify immediately identify that threat and take immediate actions, uh that's something we're continuing to develop uh in cyberspace because it's that that area is continuing to grow.
2:02:33
SPEAKER_23: So it's a challenge.
2:02:35
SPEAKER_24: As we head into the third hour here of the John Justice Show presented by American Experiment, we're uh talking with Senate candidate uh Tom Weiler.
2:02:42
SPEAKER_24: Tom Weiler 2026 is his website.
2:02:44
SPEAKER_24: Uh before you wrap up, if you head on over to AmericanExperiment.org, Minnesota is, of course, facing uh numerous uh different challenges.
2:02:52
SPEAKER_24: And uh at Center of the American Experiment, uh we've been uh highlighting some of the major issues, uh irrefutable facts regarding just how we're on the wrong track.
2:03:03
SPEAKER_24: You have some 68% of Minnesotans already feel that our state isn't doing well, and these particular items certainly uh point directly to why people don't feel uh confident in our future here in Minnesota, but we can turn things around.
2:03:17
SPEAKER_24: So, what we'll do is what we're doing with all the uh candidates when they joined us here on the John Justice show, Tom Weiler.
2:03:21
SPEAKER_24: Um, I'm gonna lay out uh the different items that we are on the wrong track on, all available at american experiment.org.
2:03:28
SPEAKER_24: And you choose your own adventure.
2:03:30
SPEAKER_24: You pick which one you would like to go and uh talk about uh before we wrap up our conversation.
2:03:34
SPEAKER_24: So we have uh kids in Mississippi can read better than kids in Minnesota.
2:03:40
SPEAKER_24: Minnesota is now below average, uh is a below average state economically.
2:03:45
SPEAKER_24: 55% of Minnesota students can't do math at a grade level.
2:03:50
SPEAKER_24: Minnesota taxes small businesses more than any other state, and Minnesota's government uh let fraudsters steal over nine billion dollars.
2:03:58
SPEAKER_24: Now, all of these facts are backed are backed up with the actual data and facts at the website.
2:04:03
SPEAKER_24: So choose your own adventure, uh Tom Weiler.
2:04:05
SPEAKER_24: Which one would you like to address?
2:04:06
SPEAKER_24: Um the last one, I think it was nine billion dollars stolen.
2:04:09
SPEAKER_23: Yep.
2:04:09
SPEAKER_23: Yeah, let's start.
2:04:10
SPEAKER_23: Seems to be the most popular one among the groups.
2:04:12
SPEAKER_23: Let's talk about that one because uh to me, everyone could use nine million dollars in their wallet.
2:04:16
SPEAKER_23: So to me, that that's the one I want to focus on because uh again, all important issues.
2:04:21
SPEAKER_23: Um, but that fraud um is uh is obviously this nine to twenty billion dollars that's been stolen.
2:04:28
SPEAKER_23: Uh that's not imaginary money, you know, that comes from space.
2:04:31
SPEAKER_23: That's money out of your pockets from taxpayers that instead of being used for things the government should be providing back to its citizens, it's stolen and ends up, you know, buying property in Kenya.
2:04:41
SPEAKER_23: And I look at um uh the the fraud um in the context of affordability.
2:04:47
SPEAKER_23: I mean, this this election, like all elections, comes down to the status of the economy and and affordability, sort of the term that's been used this this election.
2:04:55
SPEAKER_23: And every Minnesotan, their lives would be more affordable if they had less government waste, less government fraud that was ripping their Minnesota tax dollars and and not providing the services that they've invested for.
2:05:09
SPEAKER_23: Um and again, that also leads to um you know the the other aspect of that, which is which is developing an economy um in Minnesota specifically that that does um value entrepreneurship, small businesses.
2:05:24
SPEAKER_23: And to do that, we we clearly need to lower our taxes to be competitive with our neighbors.
2:05:28
SPEAKER_23: Um and fundamentally, our government is just way too big on on multiple different levels.
2:05:34
SPEAKER_23: And for Peggy Flanagan to say, I have the answer here, let's make government absolutely enormous and have Medicare for all, free school lunch, free college education, uh, when she's been number two in command of a government that let nine billion dollars slip away uh without anyone noticing, is it it doesn't even pass the common sense test.
2:05:55
SPEAKER_23: And again, she hasn't uh been asked about that specifically.
2:05:59
SPEAKER_23: But um yeah, I look at affordability as the number one issue, and if we had a government that asked more questions, was fundamentally much smaller so that we actually understood what money was coming in and what money was going out, all Minnesotans' lives would be more affordable.
2:06:12
SPEAKER_23: And and that's what one of the many solutions I present on my website that will improve the lives of Minnesota.
2:06:18
SPEAKER_23: And again, it's uh Tomweiler2026.com.
2:06:21
SPEAKER_23: The the two things I ask for all Minnesotans um to before you vote is just take a look at that website, look at the Quality Uh and Effectiveness Index, and take a look at my nine solutions to nine problems that I think will improve the lives of all Minnesotans.
2:06:36
SPEAKER_24: Tom Weiler, uh, really enjoyed the conversation.
2:06:38
SPEAKER_24: Uh, thank you so much for the time this morning.
2:06:40
SPEAKER_24: Uh safe travels, enjoy your time at uh Farm Fest.
2:06:44
SPEAKER_24: And I'm sure you're gonna be busy between now and uh next Tuesday.
2:06:47
SPEAKER_24: But it was great to uh have you here in the uh Center of the American Experiment Studios this morning.
2:06:52
SPEAKER_24: Thank you.
2:06:52
SPEAKER_23: And for all Minnesotans, get out there and vote today or no later than than the 11th of August.
2:06:57
SPEAKER_23: And like I say, vote early and often, meaning vote vote in the primary for Tom Weiler and then vote November 3rd.
2:07:03
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2:09:19
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2:09:22
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2:09:30
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2:09:43
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2:09:51
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2:10:03
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2:10:06
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2:10:11
SPEAKER_24: We have a social media influencer that we'll introduce you to a little bit later on uh in the week, uh Becca Thompson.
2:10:18
SPEAKER_24: Kendall Qualls, gubernatorial candidate, will be in studio uh Thursday uh this week.
2:10:23
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2:10:29
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2:10:44
SPEAKER_24: Uh speaking of the elections, let's go here briefly.
2:10:46
SPEAKER_24: Gubernatorial candidate Mike Lindell is now facing a legal challenge for giving away my pillows with campaign literature at parades.
2:10:58
SPEAKER_24: I still I'm gonna continue to say it.
2:11:01
SPEAKER_24: It was such a mistake he didn't go with the my governor campaign.
2:11:04
SPEAKER_24: That would have it would have been an act of sheer brilliance.
2:11:08
SPEAKER_24: You do the font like the my pillow font.
2:11:11
SPEAKER_24: I was wearing my slippers this morning when I was prepping for the show.
2:11:14
SPEAKER_24: Just the my governor was such a given.
2:11:16
SPEAKER_13: It was right there.
2:11:17
SPEAKER_24: I know right there for the thing.
2:11:19
SPEAKER_24: It fits him perfectly.
2:11:21
SPEAKER_24: Instead, we get amnesty plans.
2:11:23
SPEAKER_24: And anyway.
2:11:25
SPEAKER_24: Right.
2:11:26
SPEAKER_24: Next time.
2:11:28
SPEAKER_24: Um, an administrative law judge found evidence of a violation of Minnesota campaign finance law, as the pillows have a monetary value and were distributed to influence voters.
2:11:41
SPEAKER_24: A probable cause hearing is scheduled to hear from both Lindell and the complaintant, who is upset by this.
2:11:48
SPEAKER_24: The complaint alleges that respondent directly distributed pillows, marked Mike Lindell for governor, from a parade float decorated with signs that say.
2:12:01
SPEAKER_24: You know, I wonder if people were paying close enough attention, how many other complaints could be made about like all the candidates, regardless of race, who do something similar?
2:12:13
SPEAKER_24: Just saying.
2:12:15
SPEAKER_24: A document from the Minnesota Administrative Law Judge revealed that the complaint further alleges the pillows have a monetary value of$34.95.
2:12:25
SPEAKER_24: Taking the allegations in the complaint as true as required at this stage, the complaint uh sets forth a violation of state law.
2:12:36
SPEAKER_24: Now, when Five Eyewitness News first reported questions about the pillow giveaways after a parade in Foley, Minnesota in June, Lindell said that he sought an opinion from the Minnesota Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board and was told that it was okay, that you could indeed give away his pillows so that voters could go and rest their weary heads on them, regardless of whether or not they were voting for him.
2:13:01
SPEAKER_24: He said in June, uh these aren't full-size pillows.
2:13:07
SPEAKER_24: So they're not they're not they're not full-size ones.
2:13:09
SPEAKER_24: They're little pillows.
2:13:11
SPEAKER_24: Just like you gave away a hat or a shirt or anything.
2:13:15
SPEAKER_24: Our literature is incited.
2:13:17
SPEAKER_24: He followed all the guidelines to a T.
2:13:20
SPEAKER_24: Okay, so that makes sense to me.
2:13:21
SPEAKER_24: And this goes back to my previous comment a moment ago about how I wonder under this potential complaint, how many other campaigns could also be hit with a complaint along a similar fashion.
2:13:33
SPEAKER_24: Because I'm kind of with him on this.
2:13:35
SPEAKER_24: If these were like mini pillows that really you could rest your ear on, but not much else, right?
2:13:40
SPEAKER_24: I mean.
2:13:42
SPEAKER_24: Although a$34.95, that is a pricey mini pillow.
2:13:47
SPEAKER_24: Anyway, Minnesota State Law prohibits giving away things of monetary value to get people to vote in a particular way.
2:13:55
SPEAKER_24: But doesn't it isn't everything comes with a cost?
2:13:59
SPEAKER_24: I'm sure there's specificity in the law, but again, let's be clear here.
2:14:04
SPEAKER_24: He's getting grief because he's Mike Lindell.
2:14:07
SPEAKER_24: That's the reason why.
2:14:09
SPEAKER_24: Uh let's see.
2:14:10
SPEAKER_24: Uh Hamlin, university law professor, campaign finance uh expert, and a go-to.
2:14:15
SPEAKER_24: Darling on the left in local media circles.
2:14:19
SPEAKER_24: David Schultz says Lindell seems to be beyond the legal gray area.
2:14:25
SPEAKER_24: There's a lot of red flags, as Schultz told us in June.
2:14:28
SPEAKER_24: Lots of questions that we have.
2:14:30
SPEAKER_24: But certainly on the surface, it raises all kinds of questions about the legality of what he did.
2:14:36
SPEAKER_24: And this falls into something that I mentioned last week, by the way, of um, you know, the media.
2:14:43
SPEAKER_24: If it's somebody on the right, they're keen to go and bring in the extra voices for commentary, wherein, say, like at the beginning of the St.
2:14:52
SPEAKER_24: Paul Mayor Cooley uh her controversy, it was very, very straightforward reporting until the further details came out of the allegations and how egregious they were.
2:15:02
SPEAKER_24: Uh, because allegedly uh uh uh her, the St.
2:15:07
SPEAKER_24: Paul Mayor, is an incredibly horny woman, at least based off of the allegations.
2:15:11
SPEAKER_24: Then they started bringing in the outside voices to go and voice an opinion.
2:15:15
SPEAKER_24: Right out of the gate, we get the law professor David Schultz, who makes an appearance in a lot of different uh media outlets, his uh his quotes do.
2:15:24
SPEAKER_24: Uh, one more, and then we'll uh actually switch over to an update of the St.
2:15:28
SPEAKER_24: Paul uh mayor.
2:15:29
SPEAKER_24: But uh Mike Lindell, the gubernatorial candidate, was speaking recently uh with uh Channel 5, uh KSTP, and um made this comment regarding uh his amnesty plan and illegal aliens.
2:15:44
SPEAKER_24: Uh here's a bit of Mike Lindell from that uh interview.
2:15:47
SPEAKER_00: So what I was proposing was you know what?
2:15:49
SPEAKER_00: Take these people, go give them to the courthouse, get them fingerprint them, give them six months to do that, and and then at the end of the six months, these employers could never employ illegals that didn't have that card, which they already have.
2:16:04
SPEAKER_00: It was trying to solve a problem here in Minnesota.
2:16:06
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't an amnesty, but I will tell you this this now that this is all blown up, I realize I couldn't do that anyway to have them come in and get fingerprinted in six months, because then I would be the dune, I would be doing the same thing as our current government's doing with Waltz and them, protecting illegals and giving them these cards to vote in our elections and drive on our streets.
2:16:32
SPEAKER_24: Yeah.
2:16:34
SPEAKER_24: So that controversy has kind of kind of died down.
2:16:37
SPEAKER_24: I would argue, though, that whatever damage was done because of this amnesty plan is already done as people are heading to the to the polls already ahead of next week's official primary day.
2:16:52
SPEAKER_24: Yeah.
2:16:53
SPEAKER_24: All right, here's a quick update on uh Shiloh Hendrix convicted of disorderly conduct uh for shouting racial slurs at a child and a man in a viral video.
2:17:02
SPEAKER_24: Um Shiloh Hendricks is appealing her conviction, uh, much like we predicted uh last week.
2:17:09
SPEAKER_24: And keeping with that theme this morning of multiple things can be true at once.
2:17:15
SPEAKER_24: You don't have to think that Shiloh Hendricks is a good person.
2:17:18
SPEAKER_24: You don't have to agree with the language that she used, but you can still go and support her right to free speech.
2:17:25
SPEAKER_24: Hendricks claims that the case is about free speech, while the NAACP and the Rochester City Attorney's Office emphasized the harm caused by her actions and the importance of the conviction.
2:17:38
SPEAKER_24: This is what the Rochester City Attorney's Office said regarding this disorderly conduct charge because of the language that she used.
2:17:49
SPEAKER_24: The state acknowledges what has made this incident so painful for many in our community and beyond.
2:17:57
SPEAKER_24: Ms.
2:17:58
SPEAKER_24: Hendricks fully admitted to her hateful and racist conduct toward a child with a disability and others, and she has profited uh profited immensely while showing no remorse.
2:18:10
SPEAKER_24: Okay, listen, all of those things her profiting from this, setting up a GoFundMe regarding it, it's completely irrelevant to her making comments, whether you like them or not, in public.
2:18:21
SPEAKER_24: She can say what she wants.
2:18:23
SPEAKER_24: Sticks and stones, people.
2:18:28
SPEAKER_24: In the time of the following the incident, conversations and community-driven activities began unfolding across many different spaces, reflecting both immediate responses and long-term needs.
2:18:38
SPEAKER_24: This work continues today and remains an important part of supporting the community reconciliation and progress.
2:18:44
SPEAKER_24: Listen, under the guise of which the Rochester City Attorney moved forward on these charges, I mean, how many other individuals could move forward on hate charges on any number of things that are said in the public sphere on a daily basis?
2:18:59
SPEAKER_24: For crying out loud, I had a guy a couple of weeks ago as I was getting on the freeway to come to work here at American Experiment, who was riding my tale.
2:19:09
SPEAKER_24: I moved out of the way.
2:19:10
SPEAKER_24: Apparently, I did something egregious to him, and he was telling me I'm number one as he went driving by.
2:19:16
SPEAKER_24: He's got a right to go and show me a specific finger that he wants, but he wants to talk about harm and hurt, right?
2:19:22
SPEAKER_24: That's an emotional moment.
2:19:24
SPEAKER_24: I'm not going to bring about charges, but that's how ridiculous these charges are against Shiloh Hendricks.
2:19:30
SPEAKER_24: Again, you don't have to agree what she had to say.
2:19:32
SPEAKER_24: But if these individuals in the city of Rochester were really that concerned about the harm that her language does to the community, they never would have moved forward with any charges in the first place.
2:19:41
SPEAKER_24: They would have let this whole thing die out after the video was posted and moved on with life.
2:19:47
SPEAKER_24: The argument here is that with these charges, all you've done is continue to spread the word about what she said and her hateful rhetoric, which could continue to go and cause harm in the community, but it underscores the fact that the individuals in charge with charging Shiloh Hendricks do not care about any harm to the community.
2:20:06
SPEAKER_24: No, they're more interested in spreading the false narrative of systemic racism in the country.
2:20:15
SPEAKER_24: Shilo Hendricks did her part to help them go and spread that narrative.
2:20:20
SPEAKER_24: But make no mistake, this, like so much of what the left goes and does, has nothing to do with what they actually say this issue was about.
2:20:29
SPEAKER_24: They want to be able to establish a baseline to go after essentially conservatives and Republicans over any number of things that an individual on the left may choose to decide for themselves is offensive.
2:20:44
SPEAKER_24: Again, I don't like what she said.
2:20:47
SPEAKER_24: I think it's a horrible thing to say to anybody, child or otherwise.
2:20:50
SPEAKER_24: And I don't think that she necessarily is a very good person.
2:20:53
SPEAKER_24: But she has her right to free speech, and that's what's being trampled on.
2:20:57
SPEAKER_24: And I do hope that regardless of my views of her and what she said, she does go and win this appeal.
2:21:04
SPEAKER_24: All right, coming up, St.
2:21:06
SPEAKER_24: Paul City Council members weigh in on Mayor Herz sexual harassment to investigation.
2:21:12
SPEAKER_24: Also, a businessman is donating$29 million to help Minnesotans pay for rent after the ICE surge.
2:21:20
SPEAKER_24: And I'm going to give you a recent example of just exactly who this business person is essentially going and defending by offering up these millions of dollars.
2:21:32
SPEAKER_24: An arrest was made by uh of an illegal alien from over the weekend in St.
2:21:37
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2:23:46
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2:23:52
SPEAKER_24: Paul uh City Council members.
2:23:54
SPEAKER_24: Here is a little bit of commentary from Catherine and Grace from the Center of the American Experiment podcast that you might have missed from their podcast available at AmericanExperiment.org every Tuesday.
2:24:06
SPEAKER_27: It's so upsetting to see our leaders like Governor Walls gaslighting us, basically, and saying, no, things are going great.
2:24:12
SPEAKER_27: We are one of the best states in the country.
2:24:14
SPEAKER_27: Then why are people leaving?
2:24:15
SPEAKER_27: And why are people struggling?
2:24:16
SPEAKER_27: And why are people saying that Minnesota's on the right, on the wrong track?
2:24:19
SPEAKER_28: Yeah, that is such a good point.
2:24:20
SPEAKER_28: I mean, it's just we every day you realize like you talk to people who say it's just so hard in Minnesota right now, and then we have people at the top who are completely denying that there's any problem whatsoever.
2:24:33
SPEAKER_28: Think about it.
2:24:34
SPEAKER_01: Minnesota has always been a low crime state.
2:24:37
SPEAKER_01: But according to the most recent Bureau of Criminal Apprehension data, we are now above the national average when it comes to part one crimes, a category that includes crimes like murder, assault, rape, and carjackings.
2:24:50
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2:24:51
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2:24:55
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2:24:58
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2:25:03
SPEAKER_27: John Phelan has this incredible chart posted at AmericanExperiment.org where he plotted out the CNBC ranking of best states to live in and the states that people are actually moving to and away from.
2:25:14
SPEAKER_27: It's a negative correlation.
2:25:16
SPEAKER_27: People don't want to live in states with these policies that CNBC, you know, the great authority on this and that Governor Walls is touting, sees as, you know, the ultimate factors in a you know high quality of life.
2:25:28
SPEAKER_27: It's just a joke.
2:25:30
SPEAKER_28: I mean, that's the actual data we should be looking at is where people are moving.
2:25:34
SPEAKER_28: People move with their feet.
2:25:36
SPEAKER_28: Where are they going?
2:25:37
SPEAKER_28: They're going to red states with better policy.
2:25:41
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2:25:42
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2:26:12
SPEAKER_24: Let's go back to the blaster line on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
2:26:39
SPEAKER_21: So um definitely performed and not the$34 Apollo that you buy in a okay.
2:26:47
SPEAKER_24: Alright.
2:26:48
SPEAKER_24: That makes a little bit more, that makes a little bit more sense.
2:26:51
SPEAKER_24: Yeah, listen, this um uh this uh complaint against Lindell giving out uh pillows is uh is pretty lame uh in in in my opinion.
2:27:00
SPEAKER_24: So something we'll certainly be keeping uh keeping an eye on.
2:27:03
SPEAKER_24: What's much uh what is uh much more important though is uh the continued uh controversy surrounding the allegations of the St.
2:27:10
SPEAKER_24: Paul City mayor.
2:27:11
SPEAKER_24: Now you have the St.
2:27:13
SPEAKER_24: Paul City Council members weighing in uh on the issue.
2:27:16
SPEAKER_24: So to get everybody up to speed, just the backstory here, uh working uh off of the Fox 9 uh recent article on this.
2:27:24
SPEAKER_24: So the investigation into Cooley Herz centers on allegations that the mayor of St.
2:27:30
SPEAKER_24: Paul made inappropriate and sexual comments regarding uh regarding the police chief uh Axel Henry and other city employees.
2:27:38
SPEAKER_24: Henry's lawyer filed a formal complaint that includes a screenshot of a text message that he says her sent to a city employee.
2:27:49
SPEAKER_24: The message reportedly contained a sexual innuendo, as we highlighted last week on the show.
2:27:54
SPEAKER_24: Uh Henry's lawyer is now seeking uh data from each of Mayor Her's phones.
2:28:00
SPEAKER_24: The city has reportedly also hired an outside law firm to conduct an investigation.
2:28:06
SPEAKER_24: Her released her own statement saying, as mayor, I do take responsibility to treat every employee with professionalism and respect very seriously.
2:28:16
SPEAKER_24: I recognize that some of my attempts at humor fell short of the standard I expect of myself.
2:28:21
SPEAKER_24: We have fully cooperated with the independent investigation since it began in April and will continue to do so.
2:28:28
SPEAKER_24: I respect the investigative process and believe it is important to allow it to reach its conclusion.
2:28:34
SPEAKER_24: I remain confident that the full facts will come to light and I will continue to focus on serving the people of St.
2:28:41
SPEAKER_24: Paul with integrity and dedication.
2:28:43
SPEAKER_24: Uh, the full facts part of this makes me laugh a little bit because this is no denial at all.
2:28:49
SPEAKER_24: She's basically admitting to what she did, but chalking the whole thing up to being a uh a joke.
2:28:54
SPEAKER_24: If she ends up getting away with it, doing nothing with my fingers, whatever that means, it is only because she's a Democrat and a woman.
2:29:02
SPEAKER_24: This is a Republican and a dude with these allegations, he probably would have already been bounced from office.
2:29:08
SPEAKER_24: So, in a statement on Thursday, the Ward 3 uh council member Sarah uh Sara, excuse me, Jost, said that she's deeply concerned about the allegations because every city employee deserves respect and a safe and welcoming, inclusive workspace.
2:29:24
SPEAKER_24: Um, Jost said she respects the mayor's right to due process and will not be commenting on the allegations specifically.
2:29:31
SPEAKER_24: Ward 4 Councilmember Molly Coleman also released a statement on Thursday, calling the allegations against mayor her serious, saying there are many questions about the specific allegations that need to be thoroughly answered by external investigators.
2:29:47
SPEAKER_24: She added that the public needs clarity on the current relationship between the mayor and the police department to determine whether uh public safety has or will be compromised because of the alleged behavior or fallout from it.
2:30:01
SPEAKER_24: Coleman also called out the lack of transparency from the mayor's office regarding the investigation, which began in April, saying that the city council learned about the allegations and the hiring of the external investigators from the uh media uh reports.
2:30:16
SPEAKER_24: At this point, I'm kind of surprised based off of her's um suggestion that she was just making a joker jokes.
2:30:25
SPEAKER_24: I'm surprised she hasn't just come out and said, you know what, I won't make those jokes anymore.
2:30:29
SPEAKER_24: I just won't.
2:30:30
SPEAKER_24: I'm just you know, I find that apparently that sense of humor does not go over well with everybody.
2:30:36
SPEAKER_24: So I just will not be making those types of jokes anymore.
2:30:40
SPEAKER_13: A comedian is never welcomed in their time.
2:30:42
unknown: Yeah, right.
2:30:43
SPEAKER_24: I don't think she was making jokes.
2:30:45
SPEAKER_24: No.
2:30:45
SPEAKER_24: I think she was legitimately making sex noises in front of people, and it was incredibly inappropriate.
2:30:50
SPEAKER_24: And a little bit creepy.
2:30:51
SPEAKER_24: Now, this comes off of the fact that during her time in the legislature, prior to a coolie her uh becoming the mayor in St.
2:31:01
SPEAKER_24: Paul, she had admitted that she was, or at least had said that she was an illegal alien.
2:31:08
SPEAKER_24: And then there was a whole to-do about whether or not she was or she wasn't, and I don't even know if we ever got reached a conclusion on whether or not Cooley Her is actually here in the country legally.
2:31:21
SPEAKER_24: St.
2:31:21
SPEAKER_24: Paul could still have an illegal alien mayor.
2:31:24
SPEAKER_24: To that point, before we talk with our next uh guest, let me go here.
2:31:28
SPEAKER_24: Um, this was from two weeks ago.
2:31:30
SPEAKER_24: I've been holding on to it, and it's relevant to a story that I have uh today.
2:31:34
SPEAKER_24: So I'm glad I I'm I'm I'm glad that I waited.
2:31:36
SPEAKER_24: Um a Twin Cities biotech entrepreneur has given away nearly twice the amount of money he had pledged to donate to help Minnesotans pay their rent after the federal immigration crackdown left families struggling to afford bills.
2:31:55
SPEAKER_24: Let me say up front, I'm glad this is a private uh, you know, donation and not taxpayer dollars.
2:32:01
SPEAKER_24: Uh, this businessman, this biotech entrepreneur John Wilson has donated uh to community groups and churches in the city of Minneapolis to help families affected by Operation Metro Surge.
2:32:11
SPEAKER_24: He says, listen, if this is what he wants to go and do with his money, then he can go do this with his money.
2:32:16
SPEAKER_24: I don't think that it's money well spent, be that as it may.
2:32:19
SPEAKER_24: If this guy wants to give away$29 million to help continue to perpetuate false narratives regarding ICE and what they did and to support those that are here in the country illegally, then you know what, dude?
2:32:30
SPEAKER_24: You know, whatever floats your boat.
2:32:34
SPEAKER_24: He expects to donate on top of the$29 million another$5 million or more for the effort.
2:32:40
SPEAKER_24: So five months after the surge of federal agents receded, according to the article from Dino Winter and the Star Tribune, he and others who work with immigrant families say the need for financial assistance is still great for many Minnesotans affected by the 12-week operation of Metro Surge.
2:32:56
SPEAKER_24: The scope of need may just be coming into view now, according to the article.
2:33:01
SPEAKER_24: Wilson said people were reluctant to ask for help because they are eager to become self-sufficient.
2:33:07
SPEAKER_24: I don't know what would have happened in the absence of the amount of money we put in, but I have to believe that it would have been bad for landlords, he said, who know where these families would have gone.
2:33:19
SPEAKER_24: Wilson's company is a cell and gene therapy leader, apparently, valued at 1 billion.
2:33:26
SPEAKER_24: So 29 million, or what'll be 20, what's 34 million, maybe kind of a drop in the bucket for this dude.
2:33:32
SPEAKER_24: Pocket change.
2:33:34
SPEAKER_24: Wilson sold nearly 20% stake in his company for$257 million and created the Wilson Foundation, which had about$80 million in cash as of earlier this year.
2:33:44
SPEAKER_24: So who got the money?
2:33:45
SPEAKER_24: Let's just go there.
2:33:46
SPEAKER_24: Um, you have a pastor at a church in Burnsville and talks about how he's happy the state lawmakers approved$40 million in aid, four times the usual amount.
2:33:57
SPEAKER_24: He was concerned, though, for people without legal status, some of Whom had had their status revoked.
2:34:02
SPEAKER_24: His Latino church has received 1.4 million from the Wilson Foundation, which, combined with 350,000 from other donors, has helped some 1,212 families pay for housing for several months.
2:34:14
SPEAKER_24: I don't see this, listen, I know that this is couched as compassion.
2:34:18
SPEAKER_24: I don't see this as compassion.
2:34:20
SPEAKER_24: Enabling individuals to continue an illegal lifestyle is not compassion, in my opinion.
2:34:25
SPEAKER_24: Holding people accountable is compassion.
2:34:27
SPEAKER_24: I've said many times on the show, and I'll say it again here.
2:34:31
SPEAKER_24: The most compassionate thing that we can do, and Trump has done this, is to secure our southern border to the best of our ability to take away the ability and the motivation for individuals to come into this country illegally.
2:34:46
SPEAKER_24: That's compassion.
2:34:48
SPEAKER_24: Right?
2:34:48
SPEAKER_24: Leaving an open border and then subsequently helping to perpetuate individuals' bad decision making is not compassion, in my opinion.
2:34:56
SPEAKER_24: And then there's this angle on it, and we'll talk to our uh our next uh guest this morning.
2:35:02
SPEAKER_24: But out of Alpha News, Sergio uh Magnana Gonzalez, an illegal alien from Mexico, was arrested in St.
2:35:10
SPEAKER_24: Paul after authorities intercepted a package containing methamphetamine.
2:35:15
SPEAKER_24: Law enforcement replaced the context of the intercepted package with a similar-looking substance and delivered it to Gonzalez, who was subsequently arrested.
2:35:23
SPEAKER_24: The search of his home and person revealed additional methamphetamine and evidence suggesting his knowledge of the packages.
2:35:33
SPEAKER_24: So again, you have here an illegal alien charged with investigators seizing 10 pounds of methamphetamine in St.
2:35:40
SPEAKER_24: Paul.
2:35:40
SPEAKER_24: And let me just draw a conclusion here.
2:35:43
SPEAKER_24: Okay, what if this particular individual was one of the recipients of the charity of this businessman?
2:35:49
SPEAKER_24: Did this businessman think about that for a moment?
2:35:51
SPEAKER_24: Does he have any comprehension or any concern whatsoever that the money that he is doling out, which is his money to go and dole out, is given to individuals who may be involved in criminal activity, or does it just not matter to him?
2:36:06
SPEAKER_24: Is this just a means to continue to perpetuate the narrative that those that came into the country illegally have not gone and done anything, uh anything wrong?
2:36:16
SPEAKER_24: Again, I'm glad it's not taxpayer dollars, but something tells me this individual, for as smart as he is, obviously, to have a you know a billion dollar company and$29 million to go and spend, I don't think that he is thinking about all of the different unintended consequences of where that money could actually go.
2:36:36
SPEAKER_24: If you want to reach out to the show, John.justice at americanexperiment.org.
2:36:42
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2:36:48
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2:36:52
SPEAKER_24: I had a comment that rolled in from a friend of the show wanting to talk about the protests that took place outside the target center this morning.
2:37:33
SPEAKER_14: Take care.
2:37:35
SPEAKER_24: Thank you for the heads up there, Teddy, and thank you for the uh for the blast at six one two-five eight four-four five six five.
2:37:41
SPEAKER_24: The protests that took place out the outside the uh target center for the links to and a fever game.
2:37:45
SPEAKER_24: Don't surprise me in the least, but that's what Minnesotans uh do.
2:37:50
SPEAKER_24: Joining me uh in the Center of the American Experiment studio is uh policy fellow uh Darren uh Nelson, his first appearance uh on the show.
2:37:59
SPEAKER_24: Good morning, Darren, and thank you so much for uh coming in.
2:38:02
SPEAKER_24: I would say early, but you're one of the uh individuals who uh is probably second in line next to, or third in line between me and Isaac of getting here into the office early.
2:38:11
SPEAKER_24: But thank you so much for uh for coming on the show this morning.
2:38:13
SPEAKER_24: Good morning.
2:38:14
SPEAKER_24: Thank you for having me.
2:38:15
SPEAKER_24: Um let's get you uh familiar, let's get the audience familiar with you a bit.
2:38:19
SPEAKER_24: You and I have had a chance to talk a little bit about your uh your background.
2:38:22
SPEAKER_24: But uh how long have you been here with Center of the American Experiment and talk a little bit about uh your background and what you do, uh what you write on the website, and um how long have you been uh have you been doing this?
2:38:34
SPEAKER_31: Yeah, look, I've only been with American Experiment for uh something like eight weeks.
2:38:39
SPEAKER_31: So um June 1st, whatever that adds up to.
2:38:41
SPEAKER_24: So about as long as I have now.
2:38:44
SPEAKER_24: So yeah, yeah, about maybe a little bit, about a month, uh about a month more.
2:38:48
SPEAKER_24: So you're fairly new here, just like me.
2:38:49
SPEAKER_31: Yeah, so I'm I'm currently sort of like focusing in on energy, environment, and natural resource policy.
2:38:56
SPEAKER_31: I'm I'm an economist by trade.
2:38:58
SPEAKER_31: Um, but interesting enough, this is a very rare think tank.
2:39:01
SPEAKER_31: We already have two other economists here, so they actually don't really need me to do any economics per se.
2:39:07
SPEAKER_24: You're really selling your job here, Darren.
2:39:09
SPEAKER_31: I mean, uh look, I can't help as an economist kind of looking at things from an economic point of view, including my kind of uh nerdy charts and all that sort of stuff.
2:39:17
SPEAKER_31: But um hopefully I'll bring something a little bit more interesting than than charts and econom speak.
2:39:23
SPEAKER_24: Now you focused specifically on the energy sector, or is it is it broader, is it broader than that?
2:39:29
SPEAKER_31: Uh well, yeah, right now it's uh I'm very much focused on energy because um you know we've had some recent polls um done, you know, sort of done by the American Experiment, showing affordability, no surprise, is like the top issue.
2:39:42
SPEAKER_31: And energy, of course, is kind of a big contributor to that, particularly electricity in particular.
2:39:48
SPEAKER_31: And electricity's often been quite ignored in Minnesota and other states because it's so heavily um influenced by the Public Utilities Commission and that process that really no one pays any attention to.
2:40:01
SPEAKER_31: And fair enough, it is pretty boring.
2:40:03
SPEAKER_31: I've been to a couple of their meetings, and you know, it was hard to stay awake for the entire time I was there.
2:40:08
SPEAKER_31: And I'm an economist.
2:40:09
SPEAKER_24: So it's your job to go and take what you learned and then uh make it interesting and palatable for the for the average uh reader over at American Experiment, correct?
2:40:18
SPEAKER_31: That's my job.
2:40:19
SPEAKER_31: I'm I'm trying, I'm not sure I've actually got there yet, but I'm trying to become more interesting over time.
2:40:23
SPEAKER_24: Let's back up a little further.
2:40:24
SPEAKER_24: You um, you know, you've um you spent quite a bit of time um not living here in the United States, but in other in other places.
2:40:31
SPEAKER_24: So uh talk a little bit more about your background and how you, you know, how you kind of came into this role of being an economist um, you know, here at American Experiment.
2:40:42
SPEAKER_31: Yeah, look, I'm I'm a jewel citizen of the U.S.
2:40:45
SPEAKER_31: and Australia.
2:40:46
SPEAKER_31: Well, that's my little pin.
2:40:47
SPEAKER_31: I'm not sure if anybody can see it on the camera.
2:40:49
SPEAKER_31: Um, but I'm originally from uh next door in Wisconsin.
2:40:53
SPEAKER_31: So I'm from Milwaukee originally, a cheese head.
2:40:56
SPEAKER_31: Um, and I've actually been sort of mainly I've lived in Australia for much of my adult life.
2:41:01
SPEAKER_31: Long story.
2:41:02
SPEAKER_31: I got family in both uh countries.
2:41:04
SPEAKER_31: Um I ended up um going out to spend time with my father and my two older brothers in Australia and went to university there.
2:41:11
SPEAKER_31: Um and then sort of did economics and law, became an economist in Australia for many years.
2:41:17
SPEAKER_31: Long story short, um, I came for a visit uh right before COVID struck.
2:41:23
SPEAKER_31: And um I've been here ever since, which is a good thing.
2:41:26
SPEAKER_31: You know, like you know, it's it's kind of good to kind of reconnect with um not only my cheese head but my broader sort of American roots.
2:41:32
SPEAKER_24: Was that because, again, talking with uh Darren Nelson uh Nelson, uh policy fellow here at Center of the American Experiment, um when it came to your arrival here in COVID and then staying, did any of that have to do with the much publicized mitigation efforts in Australia, which made headlines, you know, around the globe at that at that point in time?
2:41:53
SPEAKER_24: And certainly, you know, I think we all got an education in Australian politics with that response to COVID and subsequently even even since then.
2:42:02
SPEAKER_24: Was it because of that or was it other reasons that you stayed here in the States?
2:42:05
SPEAKER_31: Uh yeah, it was that basically.
2:42:07
SPEAKER_31: Uh I was gonna go back and um basically they turned it into sort of a concentration camp.
2:42:13
SPEAKER_24: Um were you surprised were you surprised by that?
2:42:16
SPEAKER_24: I mean, based off of the policy uh there that you had uh that you had seen?
2:42:20
SPEAKER_24: Were you were did that did that come as a shock to you?
2:42:23
SPEAKER_31: Yeah, it came as a huge fact.
2:42:25
SPEAKER_31: I mean, Amer what America was doing was shocking enough.
2:42:28
SPEAKER_31: Sure.
2:42:28
SPEAKER_31: You know, that shocked me.
2:42:29
SPEAKER_31: And then when I looked at what was happening in Australia and you know, keep obviously keep in touch with family and friends over there, including some people who had to end up end up in those COVID hotels, which is like if you know, they stick you they would stick you in a hotel if you came back into the country um for for three weeks um with armed guards and food put underneath the door and that sort of stuff.
2:42:50
SPEAKER_31: It was yeah, outrageous.
2:42:51
SPEAKER_31: Because Australia, you know, um when I first kind of moved there was like literally the least politically correct, um, least woke, um maybe second only to the US as being the least socialist sort of place.
2:43:06
SPEAKER_31: And it just um yeah, it it it surprised me what happened in Australia.
2:43:11
SPEAKER_24: Why did um I imagine that it was much like here in the US of sort of, you know, we're dealing with the unknown with the pandemic.
2:43:20
SPEAKER_24: And we'll we'll talk energy, but this aspect of it.
2:43:22
SPEAKER_24: That's fine.
2:43:22
SPEAKER_24: This is good.
2:43:22
SPEAKER_24: We can always talk energy in the future.
2:43:24
SPEAKER_24: Is fascinating to me.
2:43:26
SPEAKER_24: Um, you know, what did you hear from people, you know, back in Australia at the time?
2:43:30
SPEAKER_24: Were they in support of this?
2:43:32
SPEAKER_24: Because I think what happened here in the U.S.
2:43:33
SPEAKER_24: was you had even myself included, and I've learned my lesson and and I've said many times on the show that my take on the mitigation efforts for COVID at the onset were completely off.
2:43:44
SPEAKER_24: Um I never should have trusted the federal government.
2:43:47
SPEAKER_24: And, you know, here I was thinking that we were doing the right thing, and I was very naive at the time, and I uh learned a very about a very valuable lesson on that front.
2:43:55
SPEAKER_24: But I'm curious, um, were those that you were talking to back in Australia, I mean, we were they on board with this and then it went too far?
2:44:02
SPEAKER_31: I'm just curious your perspective.
2:44:04
SPEAKER_31: Well, just a quick one before I answer that one, is I was never on board.
2:44:07
SPEAKER_31: Um, so my kind of um I I consider myself a a Christian conservative nowadays, but I was, you know, a new Christian back then.
2:44:16
SPEAKER_31: I was still libertarian.
2:44:17
SPEAKER_31: So one thing, I guess one good thing about libertarians that are very skeptical of anything government does at any level, particularly the federal level.
2:44:24
SPEAKER_31: Um and I have the articles to prove it, you know, sort of like I wrote some stuff that was published on my skepticism about um this being, you know, the the the sort of the masks and all the rest, and and and people forgetting that there's such a thing as natural immunity and all that.
2:44:40
SPEAKER_31: Um so in Australia, I think as here, and I've and I have friends in Canada and the UK, basically in New Zealand.
2:44:46
SPEAKER_31: So throughout the English-speaking world, I got friends.
2:44:48
SPEAKER_31: I've worked in all these countries.
2:44:50
SPEAKER_31: And the camps are the same.
2:44:52
SPEAKER_31: It's basically the the urban elites who tend to be left-wing were right on board with all these policies, these kind of essentially fascist policies in a nutshell.
2:45:02
SPEAKER_31: Um and everybody on the right in all these countries were immediately skeptical, although, like you and a lot of my friends, we were a little bit naive at first, like, oh, okay, maybe we should do this.
2:45:14
SPEAKER_31: Two weeks to slow the spread.
2:45:15
SPEAKER_31: Doesn't it sound so bad?
2:45:16
SPEAKER_31: You know, something like that.
2:45:18
SPEAKER_24: Spit our arms around it kind of thing.
2:45:20
SPEAKER_24: And I'm just repeating what I said at the time for crying out loud.
2:45:22
SPEAKER_31: Um and and actually I was in Milwaukee at the time, and actually they only shut stuff down for like a week.
2:45:28
SPEAKER_31: Um, and it was mainly like restaurants, cafes, stuff, just kind of shut down, not everything, not grocery stores, thankfully, um shut down just to kind of like space things out, um, all that.
2:45:38
SPEAKER_31: And thankfully they all kind of reopened within a week or two in Milwaukee.
2:45:42
SPEAKER_31: So um, so you know, I was so basically what I you know on COVID and pretty much everything else, it's the same coverts.
2:45:50
SPEAKER_31: It's kind of these urb, you know, urban inner city elites, and sadly the kind of welfare poor who just kind of go along with these people.
2:45:58
SPEAKER_31: And it's and it's the same in Australia, the same in the US, etc.
2:46:02
SPEAKER_24: Yeah, I was just gonna say, I mean, that sounds like what we're dealing with dealing with here.
2:46:06
SPEAKER_24: Um, what's been the most surprising aspect of Minnesota's economy um specifically?
2:46:11
SPEAKER_24: Uh, you know, or or it has anything about Minnesota's economy that surprised you uh at all when you've been uh doing your analysis and write-ups at americanexperiment.org?
2:46:21
SPEAKER_31: Um look, I think kind of two things, economy and culture, like culturally and in the economy, and if you know they interact um a fair bit, is it's like a little piece of the West Coast shoved in the Midwest.
2:46:35
SPEAKER_31: Um I know, you know, like Illinois and Chicago is deep blue, but Chicago's like old school, largely, you know, kind of the old corrupt version of the Democrat Party.
2:46:45
SPEAKER_31: Um, you can buy them off.
2:46:47
SPEAKER_31: You know, they're not as quickly to embrace woke.
2:46:50
SPEAKER_31: Um that the Twin Cities is just like, and this reflects in the electricity policies as well.
2:46:55
SPEAKER_31: Like um Minnesota embraced the renewable stuff um before pretty much most of the blue states did, except for California, Oregon, and Washington.
2:47:06
SPEAKER_31: So they, you know, so culturally and economically, they're always looking there for their bad ideas.
2:47:12
SPEAKER_24: It's uh it's amazing to me how susceptible people are to those, to those bad ideas, uh, which is why it's important to get the truth, you know, out to individuals.
2:47:22
SPEAKER_24: I mean, when we talk about those those items on the wrong track, Minnesota, that are available there at the uh at the website at americanexperiment.org, that I'm asking, you know, every candidate when they come on to sort of pick which one they want to talk about.
2:47:35
SPEAKER_24: I think so far every single one of them has chosen fraud.
2:47:38
SPEAKER_24: So I think I need to stop giving them the option.
2:47:40
SPEAKER_24: I need to start specifically going and pointing to two other ones.
2:47:44
SPEAKER_24: But the but Democrats have done such a really good job of vilifying and demonizing the right that immediately when you have good sound policy, if an individual goes and hears that it came from somebody who is a conservative or Republican, they just shut it down and and dismiss it.
2:48:01
SPEAKER_24: And I think it's a big reason why we've you know been on the wrong track here in in Minnesota.
2:48:08
SPEAKER_24: Hopefully we can turn that around.
2:48:09
SPEAKER_24: Hopefully, people will be open to some to some better, uh more sound ideal uh ideas and be willing to put away the party politics.
2:48:17
SPEAKER_24: Um, but again, this is me being uh probably overly uh optimistic on that front.
2:48:22
SPEAKER_24: But with that, uh you have a piece uh available now at AmericanExperiment.org.
2:48:26
SPEAKER_24: The good, the bad, and the ugly, the 20 uh 26 energy policy platforms of the DFL and the GOP.
2:48:33
SPEAKER_24: So let's talk a little bit about this.
2:48:34
SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
2:48:35
SPEAKER_24: Um, so let's talk about the good.
2:48:36
SPEAKER_24: And you you you sort of right up front, you talk about the GOP's 2026 official party uh platform.
2:48:43
SPEAKER_24: Um promote to economic prosperity, and then you get into a quote.
2:48:47
SPEAKER_24: Uh, we support the repeal of all carbon-free electrical mandates and any other renewable energy mandates enacted uh by the Minnesota uh legislature.
2:48:56
SPEAKER_24: What's your approach on this?
2:48:58
SPEAKER_24: I mean, uh I'm assuming you're trying to keep an open mind on these policies and you're calling them for what they are.
2:49:03
SPEAKER_24: Sure.
2:49:03
SPEAKER_24: Um, but you're in support of what the GOP wants to do uh moving forward as opposed to, which we'll get into, the uh the DFL's plan.
2:49:10
SPEAKER_24: But what is it about the GOP's um uh platform here that appeals most to you, uh Darren Nelson?
2:49:17
SPEAKER_31: Well, look, I I'm a a a free market economist.
2:49:20
SPEAKER_31: So, you know, as I tr if you like transition, that's a terrible word nowadays, isn't it?
2:49:24
SPEAKER_31: As I transition from kind of libertarian back to conservative, interestingly enough, um, you know, I still, you know, my economics is very similar.
2:49:33
SPEAKER_31: It's still free markets.
2:49:34
SPEAKER_31: Look, I understand government's got to do certain things.
2:49:37
SPEAKER_31: Uh, one thing they don't need to do is to intervene in electricity markets to the extent they do.
2:49:42
SPEAKER_31: Um, in particular, you know, you mentioned the renewable energy mandate.
2:49:46
SPEAKER_31: That that's really the crux.
2:49:47
SPEAKER_31: That's where that's why electricity prices, you know, I could stick up my my chart.
2:49:52
SPEAKER_31: Obviously, it's not gonna help your radio listeners very much, but you know, it shows electricity prices, you know, over the 21st century um and Minnesota have just jacked up, you know, by a hundred and eighteen percent.
2:50:04
SPEAKER_31: And that's driven by you know renewable energy coming onto the grid, and at the same time, coal going away, and it and now throwing a third thing, and at the same time, nuclear not allowed to expand, right?
2:50:16
SPEAKER_31: Um and so you know, I'll quickly pivot to the DFL.
2:50:20
SPEAKER_31: You said open mind.
2:50:21
SPEAKER_31: I kind of had a little bit of an open mind because um there's a current study going on to look at, you know, repealing the ban on uh you know having no new nuclear, right?
2:50:33
SPEAKER_31: So basically they're looking at, hey, can nuclear energy expand?
2:50:37
SPEAKER_31: Now, look, I'd love coal to come back.
2:50:39
SPEAKER_31: You know, it doesn't seem to be a particularly realistic option at this moment.
2:50:42
SPEAKER_31: So the second best thing is hey, can we expand nuclear energy because it's reliable?
2:50:47
SPEAKER_31: And even from you know, kind of the the environmentalist perspective of being obsessed with carbon dioxide, it emits no carbon dioxide whatsoever.
2:50:56
SPEAKER_31: And in fact, even the overall process involves less carbon dioxide than solar or wind do, interestingly enough.
2:51:03
SPEAKER_31: Um so uh so I was kind of like you know optimistic a little bit with the DFL thought, okay, at least they're kind of re-embracing nuclear energy, it seems.
2:51:13
SPEAKER_31: Um but on their platform, they point blank state that um uh that basically nuclear power is not a viable energy source.
2:51:23
SPEAKER_31: Uh which is actually weirdly enough, um I uh they obviously haven't discussed this with um Governor Waltz, because Governor Waltz signed off on the study to look, you know, and I think you know the writing on the wall behind the study is basically w that they want the thumbs up to having more nuclear energy.
2:51:39
SPEAKER_31: Right.
2:51:40
SPEAKER_31: That's that's Democrats and Republicans, right?
2:51:42
SPEAKER_31: So I'm not sure why the platform of the DFL has this like basically presumption that nuclear power is not a violent.
2:51:49
SPEAKER_31: I don't even know what that means.
2:51:50
SPEAKER_24: I I I would give it like I I wouldn't be surprised if they win a uh the route of what you typically hear regarding the potential of, say, you know, um creating an infrastructure of small nuclear facilities for power and the dangers doing that thing with my fingers that come with that.
2:52:09
SPEAKER_24: That's typically the talking point against nuclear facilities, is that these are very these could be very dangerous for the environment and the community if something were to go wrong.
2:52:17
SPEAKER_24: But to go and say that they're not an effective way to go and generate energy, that's just that's utter nonsense.
2:52:24
SPEAKER_24: It's it's ridiculous.
2:52:25
SPEAKER_31: Well, ironically, the the only time nuclear has really been dangerous is when it's been run by socialists, basically in the Soviet Union.
2:52:32
SPEAKER_31: Yeah, they're the ones who completely you know screwed things up, basically.
2:52:36
SPEAKER_31: Even Three Mile Island was like a minor incident compared to Chernobyl, obviously.
2:52:40
SPEAKER_24: Yeah, yeah.
2:52:41
SPEAKER_24: Have you I'm assuming you've watched the uh Chernobyl uh series on the I didn't.
2:52:45
SPEAKER_24: Was it good?
2:52:46
SPEAKER_24: So good.
2:52:46
SPEAKER_24: So great.
2:52:47
SPEAKER_24: Yeah, I recommend everybody watch the uh the uh Chernobyl series.
2:52:50
SPEAKER_24: I believe it was on HBO.
2:52:52
SPEAKER_24: Isaac Chernobyl series?
2:52:53
SPEAKER_31: No?
2:52:54
SPEAKER_24: Nope.
2:52:54
SPEAKER_24: Oh, okay.
2:52:55
SPEAKER_24: I do agree because I'm alone on this island.
2:52:57
SPEAKER_31: I'm not uh do call.
2:52:58
SPEAKER_31: I know you're a bit of a pop culture officiando.
2:53:01
SPEAKER_31: Um you remember the show uh River Monsters?
2:53:05
SPEAKER_24: I do not know the show River Monsters.
2:53:07
SPEAKER_31: It's pretty awesome.
2:53:07
SPEAKER_31: Anyway, okay.
2:53:08
SPEAKER_31: Um so the this guy goes usually in the Amazon because most of the dangerous fish in freshwater happen to be in the Amazon.
2:53:14
SPEAKER_31: But anyway.
2:53:14
SPEAKER_31: Reality show?
2:53:15
SPEAKER_31: Yeah, he's basically a fisherman.
2:53:17
SPEAKER_31: This um uh British guy, he's he's a professional fisherman.
2:53:20
SPEAKER_31: He goes around trying to catch these.
2:53:22
SPEAKER_31: He starts off with an interesting story about this fish apparently killed someone, blah, blah, blah, um, piranhas, whatever.
2:53:29
SPEAKER_31: Um, but he did go to Chernobyl once and and do some fishing, and he found, oh, things are fine, actually.
2:53:35
SPEAKER_31: Even the worst nuclear accident in the world, it's not like you have to wait 500 years for things to clear up.
2:53:41
SPEAKER_24: Oh, okay.
2:53:42
SPEAKER_31: You know, it's fine.
2:53:43
SPEAKER_31: You know, like it doesn't look great because uh they just let everything run down.
2:53:46
SPEAKER_31: Right.
2:53:47
SPEAKER_31: But in terms of the natural stuff, it's it's fine.
2:53:50
SPEAKER_31: So he went fishing there.
2:53:51
SPEAKER_31: There was no Simpsons three-eyed fish or anything like that.
2:53:54
SPEAKER_24: I mean, because that's always the narrative, is that you can't go, you know, every single trope around uh Chernobyl and the region is that everything's been infected by radiation, you can't spend any time there, don't go anywhere near it, or you're right, you're gonna grow a thumb out of your forehead, but it's not necessarily the the the case.
2:54:10
SPEAKER_24: Um let's go back to um the rise in energy costs really quick.
2:54:15
SPEAKER_24: Yeah.
2:54:16
SPEAKER_24: Because one thing that kind of stuck out, I'm looking at the chart uh that you're not sure where the camera is.
2:54:20
SPEAKER_24: Where am I looking exactly?
2:54:21
SPEAKER_31: Yeah, you you you got it.
2:54:22
SPEAKER_31: You're good.
2:54:22
SPEAKER_31: Something like that.
2:54:23
SPEAKER_31: There you go.
2:54:24
SPEAKER_24: Yeah.
2:54:24
SPEAKER_31: Um bad.
2:54:26
SPEAKER_31: These two lines going up bad.
2:54:28
SPEAKER_31: This little green line going down, also bad, because that's actually um you usually you know you want prices to go down and consumption of energy to go up, particularly in a digital age where everything uses electricity, right?
2:54:41
SPEAKER_31: So, you know, you're getting hit by prices and we're we're reducing the use of um electricity as well.
2:54:47
SPEAKER_31: So that's a a double whammy to affordability and wealth.
2:54:51
SPEAKER_24: With that though, we're not getting like what are we getting extra for the you know, the amount of money, the in the the increase to spending for your I mean, that's the thing that stuck out to me.
2:55:03
SPEAKER_24: It's like, okay, we're paying more money.
2:55:05
SPEAKER_24: What are we getting for it?
2:55:07
SPEAKER_24: I assume the DFL is saying, well, we're combating, you know, climate change through all of this.
2:55:11
SPEAKER_24: But the reality is, you know, energy is energy.
2:55:14
SPEAKER_24: We need it, we pay for it, you know, we get it.
2:55:17
SPEAKER_24: You know, we may use more, we may have to pay more, but at the same time, you know, I guess the question I have is, okay, we're all paying more for our energy.
2:55:24
SPEAKER_24: What are we actually getting out of it as a, you know, as a community, as taxpayers?
2:55:30
SPEAKER_31: Well, look, you know, the I'll make a kind of like uh an unscientific statement, but it's kind of broadly true.
2:55:36
SPEAKER_31: So what are you getting for it is the ever so slightest reduction of carbon dioxide over the course of 20 odd years in Minnesota, putting aside, obviously this is a global phenomenon.
2:55:47
SPEAKER_31: It's not restricted to Minnesota or anything like that.
2:55:50
SPEAKER_31: Um putting aside, sorry, that I don't actually believe that there is a problem, but anyway, so I mean China, you know, kind of just with in a week, kind of just gets rid of whatever Minnesota.
2:56:00
SPEAKER_31: Accomplished on that front over the course of 20 odd years.
2:56:03
SPEAKER_31: So it is ridiculous.
2:56:04
SPEAKER_31: So what you get for it is um much higher electricity prices and um being forced to use less of it because you just can't afford as much.
2:56:12
SPEAKER_31: Essentially, that's what you're getting for it.
2:56:14
SPEAKER_24: Let's get back to your uh piece.
2:56:15
SPEAKER_24: Again, talking with a policy uh fellow uh Darren Nelson here at Center of the American Experiment.
2:56:20
SPEAKER_24: So we've kind of gone through the good, the bad.
2:56:22
SPEAKER_24: Um, let's touch upon the uh the ugly and the bold in your in your piece and the closing minutes of the show here this morning uh at uh American Experiment.
2:56:31
SPEAKER_31: Yeah, yeah.
2:56:32
SPEAKER_31: Look, I'm I'm probably trying to throw too many pop culture references in Mike.
2:56:35
SPEAKER_31: I appreciate it.
2:56:36
SPEAKER_31: Well, I put the good, the bad, and ugly is enough, but then I tried to throw in the bold and the beautiful.
2:56:40
SPEAKER_31: Yeah, no, I got it.
2:56:40
SPEAKER_31: I I I I got it.
2:56:41
SPEAKER_24: It was it was a it was a nice little soap opera reference.
2:56:44
SPEAKER_24: I certainly picked up on that when I was doing notes this morning.
2:56:46
SPEAKER_31: So yeah, look, the ugly was um the DFL's uh particular um you know the well, the bad I should say.
2:56:53
SPEAKER_31: The bad is yes, they want more renewable.
2:56:56
SPEAKER_31: So this, you know, doubling down on something that hasn't worked.
2:56:59
SPEAKER_31: Um and then to make it worse, you know, as I mentioned, they think nuclear power is not viable, at least on their platform.
2:57:05
SPEAKER_31: So I'm not sure what fight they'll have behind the scenes between the people who write the platform and then you know, I'm not sure where Klobashar stands on us if she has if she's kind of open-minded to having more nuclear or not.
2:57:18
SPEAKER_31: Um and then, you know, sort of I I thought just to complete it the bold and the beautiful, I thought uh the GOP had, you know, I think it was quite bold because often the GOP is so wimpy, basically.
2:57:30
SPEAKER_31: You know, they'll they'll they'll they'll attack it, you know, they'll attack kind of this renewables, etcetera, from an economic perspective, and that's good.
2:57:37
SPEAKER_31: Um but I think you know, the reason we even have this is what we discuss is this belief and man caused climate change and it's gonna be catastrophic.
2:57:45
SPEAKER_31: So I thought it was very bold of them to actually state you know, we oppose this, you know.
2:57:50
SPEAKER_31: We think this theory is is garbage.
2:57:52
SPEAKER_31: Um I think that's awesome.
2:57:54
SPEAKER_31: In fact, as a side note, the UN um has actually backed off their catastrophic catastrophic predictions on climate change.
2:58:02
SPEAKER_31: The UN has.
2:58:04
SPEAKER_31: Um I mean, yet Minnesota is still sticking with it.
2:58:07
SPEAKER_31: Yeah.
2:58:08
SPEAKER_31: Um and then the beautiful I thought was, you know, as a free market guy, um they went further to oppose any sort of government mandate and every and any area and subsidies and monopolies.
2:58:19
SPEAKER_31: This is one thing I want to highlight here, and I've started to highlight, is um why do we have to have these monopolies?
2:58:26
SPEAKER_31: Why does Excel Energy have to get a monopoly on electricity?
2:58:31
SPEAKER_31: Um in fact in the US they've moved away from this sort of approach, and they certainly moved away from this approach in other parts of the world a long time ago.
2:58:38
SPEAKER_31: Australia, to its credit, decided, well, are these natural monopolies all that natural?
2:58:45
SPEAKER_31: No, they're not.
2:58:45
SPEAKER_31: Actually, they're just government fictions, essentially.
2:58:49
SPEAKER_24: Are you seeing a trend?
2:58:50
SPEAKER_24: Uh you mentioned it a moment ago, but you are you seeing a trend of individuals coming around on climate change?
2:58:56
SPEAKER_24: Is it less a popular of a means to push uh energy policy than it has been in the past, despite a you know, sort of a smattering of like like the UN.
2:59:07
SPEAKER_24: The UN is not a smattering by any stretch, but whether or not anybody actually adheres to what the UN is saying is a a different ballgame altogether.
2:59:14
SPEAKER_24: But do you see uh any sort of shift in the mentality of pushing forward on energy needs based off of what people believe the demands are to deal with climate change?
2:59:25
SPEAKER_31: Uh sadly, no.
2:59:26
SPEAKER_31: Actually, uh these were always kind of like ideological stances in a sense.
2:59:31
SPEAKER_31: I think well, I think on the right, um a lot of people just embrace it being against it because that's what our tribe does.
2:59:38
SPEAKER_31: Unfortunately, they're also on the side of good facts and and good science.
2:59:42
SPEAKER_31: The left are just they're sticking to it uh no matter what, as you can see in Minnesota.
2:59:47
SPEAKER_31: What has changed actually is just the reality of uh the data centers.
2:59:53
SPEAKER_31: The the the big tech leftists um apparently like making money more than they like their ideology, which is actually a surprise to me.
3:00:01
SPEAKER_31: Actually, it's a refreshing surprise.
3:00:03
SPEAKER_31: So what's changed is you know, we're gonna look at nuclear because the left hated nuclear power forever, right?
3:00:08
SPEAKER_31: In fact, they hated it before there was ever uh climate change, you know, came into the parlance.
3:00:14
SPEAKER_31: Um and they stuck to it, even though, like, okay, if you really believe uh climate change is a thing and it's catastrophic, well, the best option is nuclear energy, yet they resisted it.
3:00:23
SPEAKER_31: Until the past couple of years, the you know, the Bill Gates of this uh this world have to go like, well, when is Solar Aunt gonna you know, it's not gonna get it done.
3:00:32
SPEAKER_31: We you know, we need these denish centers, we need lots of energy, we need it quickly, we need it to work, and we need it not to break the break the bank as well.
3:00:40
SPEAKER_31: So um sure, they're not gonna go and call for coal again, because you know that's uh you know that's one step too far ideologically for them.
3:00:48
SPEAKER_31: But nukes you know, so nukes is really back on the agenda, not because we made a difference, sadly.
3:00:54
SPEAKER_31: Um I think we made some sort of difference.
3:00:56
SPEAKER_31: I think some of the campaigns at American Experiment are quite good, but what made the big difference was big tech.
3:01:01
SPEAKER_31: They're embracing nuclear power.
3:01:02
SPEAKER_24: Interesting.
3:01:03
SPEAKER_24: Uh, Darren Nelson, um certainly not the last time that we'll have a discussion with you on the show.
3:01:08
SPEAKER_24: Thank you so much for joining us this morning.
3:01:10
SPEAKER_24: I uh encourage everybody to head on over to AmericanExperiment.org uh and check out the good, the bad, and the ugly, the 2026 uh energy policy platforms of the DFL and the GOP.
3:01:20
SPEAKER_24: Fantastic reading, especially ahead of next week's uh primaries, as are all of the pieces that you've been putting up at AmericanExperiment.org.
3:01:28
SPEAKER_24: And again, Darren, thank you so much for uh for coming across the hall and joining us on the uh sofa here at the American Experiment Studios.
3:01:35
SPEAKER_31: Always a pleasure.
3:01:36
SPEAKER_24: All right, on tomorrow's show.
3:01:38
SPEAKER_24: Got a couple of items that we'll dive into, including one from another policy fellow here, John Phelan.
3:01:44
SPEAKER_24: Newly legalized bathhouses already asking for taxpayer money.
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SPEAKER_24: Yeah, it's true.
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SPEAKER_24: Apparently, the Minnesota paid leave payroll tax rate will remain the same next year, although they are eyeing a tax increase in 2028.
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