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Ep. 403 - The Love Witch (2016) · Frightmares

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  Speaker 1: You are now listening to the Someone's Favorite Productions Podcast Network.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Tumbleweeds and TV Cowboys. My name
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  Speaker 2: is Hunter. In this podcast, I'll be joined by a
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  Speaker 2: different guest each week to discuss a classic Western movie
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  Speaker 2: or TV show. I've been a fan of classic Westerns
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  Speaker 2: for as long as I can remember, and in recent years,
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  Speaker 2: they've become very nostalgic for me. I love the aesthetic,
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  Speaker 2: the tropes, and I love seeing different filmmakers' takes on them.
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  Speaker 2: At their best, they're incredibly entertaining, rewatchable, and some of
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  Speaker 2: my all-time favorite movies are westerns. We'll mostly focus on
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  Speaker 2: western movies made in Hollywood, but we'll also be covering
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  Speaker 2: spaghetti westerns, and one thing I'm very excited to get
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  Speaker 2: into are western TV shows. I've got some amazing guests
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 1: The following podcast will contain spoilers, tangents, hot takes and
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  Speaker 1: excessive foul language.
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  Speaker 3: Viewer discretion is advised.
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  Speaker 2: Enjoy the show.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to Frighteners Podcast. I'm your host, Austin Proctor,
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  Speaker 3: and joining me today for episode 403 is my beautiful wife,
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  Speaker 3: Gabrielle Proctor.
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  Speaker 1: It's me.
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  Speaker 3: I did two Bs for some reason.
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  Speaker 1: Because that's how I spell Gabby?
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  Speaker 3: Gababrielle.
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  Speaker 1: Gababrielle.
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  Speaker 3: Today, on another installment of Warlocktober's Hex, we're discussing our
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  Speaker 3: deep cut pick, The Love Witch from 2016. a movie
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  Speaker 3: that my wife was so excited to watch and review,
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  Speaker 3: and it is definitely something I saw with my eyes.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see where this lands on the Nightmare Index. All right,
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  Speaker 3: so from the corrections department, because I haven't done this
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  Speaker 3: for two episodes because everything got fucked and is fucked
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  Speaker 3: and will still be fucked, but I digress. Death Ship
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  Speaker 3: wound up at number 43 with 2.22 out of 5
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  Speaker 3: above Gamera vs. Varas. at a 2.14 out of 5,
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  Speaker 3: and Below Containment at a 2.43 out of 5. The
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  Speaker 3: Blair Witch Project ended up at number 13, which is
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  Speaker 3: just very fitting, with a 3.74 out of 5, Above
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  Speaker 3: Let the Right One In at a 3.73, and Just
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  Speaker 3: Under Ginger Snaps at a 3.76. Cool. Boom. It's been
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  Speaker 3: a month since you've been here. What have you watched?
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  Speaker 3: Don't tell me everything.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Where do I start? Okay, here was
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  Speaker 1: a month ago.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, can you also shit on the house that was
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  Speaker 3: not hungry then, please?
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  Speaker 1: Let me get there, please.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, that's right. You're going to talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: She'll get there.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so anyway, finally seen Interstellar. Damn, good time.
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  Speaker 3: Is that your review? That movie obliterated me.
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  Speaker 1: Damn, good time. Rewatched. I went on vacation, and then
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  Speaker 1: I got to rewatch Mortal Kombat 2 on an airplane.
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  Speaker 1: Still fun to watch on an airplane, especially because some
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  Speaker 1: of the dialogue has been edited, and it's a lot
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  Speaker 1: funnier when you can hear them trying to say fuck,
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  Speaker 1: and they can't. I finished Spooky in Love, my horror
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  Speaker 1: K-drama for this year. It was a very silly time,
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  Speaker 1: but it was really fun, and much like a lot
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  Speaker 1: of K-dramas, super cute to watch.
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  Speaker 3: You're super cute. Yay.
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  Speaker 1: Saw Resident Evil. It was a good time.
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  Speaker 3: The which one? The new one.
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  Speaker 1: The new one.
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  Speaker 3: Rating?
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  Speaker 1: Five stars. It was a good time.
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  Speaker 3: This year is going to be, like my top 10, impossible.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to give up. I saw Mirama, Who's That Girl?
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  Speaker 1: Practical Magic 2. It was a time.
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  Speaker 3: Back to Marama, please. I want to gas that movie
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  Speaker 3: up more.
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  Speaker 1: It was really good.
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  Speaker 3: Rating?
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  Speaker 1: Four?
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  Speaker 3: I'll accept it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Practical Magic 2 got a whopping three stars because
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  Speaker 1: sometimes was fun, sometimes was like, what are we doing?
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  Speaker 1: And if your lens decisions are so aggressive that even
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  Speaker 1: people who don't look for things are like, what the
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  Speaker 1: fuck is happening to the screen? It's distracting and you're
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  Speaker 1: doing it too much.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, we came to the conclusion that they shot on
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  Speaker 3: panamorphic lenses for reasons. Reasons.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I need you to watch that when
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  Speaker 1: it's available, just so you can also be like, why
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  Speaker 1: are they using this so much?
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  Speaker 3: Was it the whole movie?
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  Speaker 1: It was a large portion of the movie, like way
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  Speaker 1: more than it should have been, to the point where
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  Speaker 1: Heather was noticing. Heather didn't give a shit about lenses,
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  Speaker 1: but she noticed.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think John Carpenter used it for all,
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  Speaker 3: if not most. of Halloween, but he used a lot
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  Speaker 3: of negative space and it made sense in that aspect.
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  Speaker 3: But if you're just using an anamorphic lens to use
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  Speaker 3: an anamorphic lens, stop. Yeah. It needs to be, there
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  Speaker 3: needs to be a reason.
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  Speaker 1: The house was not hungry then. What a snooze fest.
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  Speaker 1: It's like watching Skinnamarink, except you can see stuff.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I said. I was like, it's like Skinnamarink
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  Speaker 3: in the daytime.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing's happening.
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  Speaker 3: People who love stagnant shots of nothing happening will lose
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  Speaker 3: their fucking mind over this movie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we watched through most of the Laika movies in
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  Speaker 1: preparation for Wildwood this month.
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  Speaker 3: Just need to watch Kubo. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So excited for that movie, though. It's already getting rave reviews,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm just so excited to see it. And our
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  Speaker 1: daughter really likes Coraline.
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  Speaker 3: Shocker. We got our Coraline backpack from Spirit Halloween.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Got to check out Something Wicked This Way Comes, finally,
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  Speaker 1: from 1983. I fell asleep. You fell asleep. I really
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  Speaker 1: enjoyed the.
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  Speaker 1: The spooky fall vibes. Rewatched Fall of the House of Usher.
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  Speaker 1: Saw The Love Hypothesis, which will be on our February
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  Speaker 1: movies I make you watch.
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  Speaker 3: The Love Hypotenuse.
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  Speaker 1: Because it was so silly. It's a fan fiction about
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  Speaker 1: Kylo Ren and Rey from Star Wars that got turned
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  Speaker 1: into a book that got turned into a movie.
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  Speaker 3: Is it live action? Yeah. Also, I said The Love
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  Speaker 3: Hypotenuse and you did not correct me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just let it slide.
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  Speaker 3: Yay.
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  Speaker 1: Lily Reinhart's in it.
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  Speaker 3: Sold. Even, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Saw a movie called Ruby Sparks that feels like pre-obsession.
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  Speaker 1: And damn, that movie was jacked up at some points.
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  Speaker 1: I saw less than zero. That movie will rock your
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  Speaker 1: shit if you've ever had to deal with someone with
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  Speaker 1: substance abuse issues. This was like, let's crank those to
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  Speaker 1: a thousand. Now watch it end badly. Like, okay.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it was an addiction movie that ended badly?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's never good.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 3: We want movies about addiction to have a positive ending
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  Speaker 3: because we need... Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It was dark, man. It has Andrew McCarthy, Jamie Girtz,
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  Speaker 1: Robert Downey Jr., James Spader.
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  Speaker 3: Who the fuck is Jamie Girtz?
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  Speaker 1: Girtz. First off, she's the richest woman in Hollywood.
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  Speaker 3: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: Like a billionaire.
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  Speaker 3: The fuck are you even doing in Hollywood?
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  Speaker 1: She married the owner of a sports team, but she's
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  Speaker 1: star from The Lost Boys and the fiance in Twister.
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  Speaker 3: I would be out there doing... fucking everything oh my.
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  Speaker 1: God that's what happened in this movie oh wow yeah
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  Speaker 1: like so much cocaine that I was like damn this
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  Speaker 1: movie should have been called Blow because Jesus.
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  Speaker 3: Not even with all that money I couldn't do it
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  Speaker 3: you can't trust cocaine these days that's true it's always
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  Speaker 3: laced with shit that's.
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  Speaker 1: True and then not the good old days we saw
• 7:51
  Speaker 1: The Other Mommy or The Other Mommy.
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  Speaker 3: I don't it should have just been called Other Mother
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  Speaker 3: but I don't know if they could that might be
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  Speaker 3: copyright from.
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  Speaker 1: Coraline Other Mommy does not roll off the tongue like
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  Speaker 1: Other Mother Other Mommy We saw Love Witch, shockingly. VHS mixtape.
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  Speaker 3: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: God, I feel bad for the two good shorts in
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  Speaker 1: that whole thing that had to sit in a film
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  Speaker 1: with the rest of that movie because the two of
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  Speaker 1: those shorts were really well done. One of them was
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  Speaker 1: clearly the superior short in the entire thing and was
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  Speaker 1: the best use of the theme and it had to
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  Speaker 1: sit in that film with all the rest of the movies.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll get some of my thoughts and feelings on that. Woof.
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  Speaker 1: And then you secured us a way to see Ghost
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  Speaker 1: in the Cell. What a great fucking time that was.
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  Speaker 3: Rating?
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  Speaker 1: Four and a half stars.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah. Good, good, good, good. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's everything. I skipped over a lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't remember where I stopped or started or
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  Speaker 3: ended or whatever with my CMC challenge. So I'll brush
• 8:57
  Speaker 3: through the last couple quickly. I know I talked about
• 9:00
  Speaker 3: Hair High. I don't know if I talked about Forbidden Planet.
• 9:03
  Speaker 3: It was a sci-fi movie from the 50s. It was
• 9:05
  Speaker 3: sci-fi a week. This movie, I don't even understand how
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  Speaker 3: they made this in 1956. Shocking. Great. It had like
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  Speaker 3: a $ 3 million budget, I think, which is massive for
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  Speaker 3: that time. And it also, it's like a very important
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  Speaker 3: sci-fi film.
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  Speaker 1: What? Oh, this planet. Yeah, okay, sorry.
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  Speaker 3: This planet, yeah, the Forbidden one. It is, yeah, the
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  Speaker 3: only reason it didn't get five stars is because there
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  Speaker 3: was some weird... things going on towards the women or
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  Speaker 3: the one woman really like these guys have been in
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  Speaker 3: space for 378 days by themselves and they see a
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  Speaker 3: woman and are all just like ah woman i get
• 9:41
  Speaker 3: it but also ill let's stop so four and a
• 9:43
  Speaker 3: half for that one watched uh toy story five we've
• 9:47
  Speaker 3: lost the plot entirely just it's pixar pixar yeah it's
• 9:51
  Speaker 3: how forgettable that was uh for a comedy i laughed twice.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like the plot didn't really make sense i
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  Speaker 1: mean it made sense but it was also just like
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  Speaker 1: so you guys managed to find a middle ground with
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: the iPad thing, but all those other toys that are
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: at the other houses that got screwed over, I guess
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: we're just fine with that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're just leaving them there to rot.
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: But it was like, what's the message we're sending here?
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: And also the whole Buzz Lightyear army thing was just-
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: That was filler, and you can't tell me otherwise that
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  Speaker 1: they made up a reason for that to happen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Because they didn't have enough story.
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  Speaker 3: Gave it two stars. Review. Reheated franchise leftovers. A bunch
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  Speaker 3: of new characters I couldn't care less about. And a
• 10:33
  Speaker 3: painfully late commentary on iPad Kids, because that was like
• 10:37
  Speaker 3: five years ago. Paranorman, like you said, we watched. Coraline,
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  Speaker 3: Box Trolls. Let's see.
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  Speaker 1: All fun times.
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  Speaker 3: All fun times. Watched a movie for the CMC Challenge
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  Speaker 3: called Operation Cross Eagles, and it was Macaroni Combat Week.
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  Speaker 3: I know what spaghetti westerns are. I had no idea
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  Speaker 3: what the fuck macaroni combat was. It's basically the equivalent
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  Speaker 3: of Italian war movies. Oh. I don't fucking, this movie
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  Speaker 3: looked like the film they were using must have been
• 11:04
  Speaker 3: drug through the dirt. Because it's 1968, but also Psycho
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  Speaker 3: was 1960. Yeah, that was a Universal Pictures movie that
• 11:14
  Speaker 3: had a budget. But holy shit, I just don't understand
• 11:17
  Speaker 3: how sometimes film looks like utter dog shit from certain times.
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  Speaker 3: And other times, like I just watched all the Frankenstein
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  Speaker 3: movies from the 30s and 40s. Exponentially better than this.
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  Speaker 3: And that's not the only thing I didn't like about it.
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  Speaker 3: It was just boring and I didn't find any interest
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  Speaker 3: in it. I'm realizing that that's not my subgenre. Then
• 11:34
  Speaker 3: we start Hooptober. Good fucking Christ, I can't keep up
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  Speaker 3: with all these movies. Kicked it off with The Mangler,
• 11:40
  Speaker 3: a Tobey Hooper movie from 1995. It's literally about a
• 11:43
  Speaker 3: killer laundry pressing machine.
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, shit, that movie.
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: It's as wacky as you can imagine. Robert Englund starring
• 11:50
  Speaker 3: with Ted Levine. So you've got Freddy Krueger and fucking
• 11:54
  Speaker 3: Buffalo Bill going to bat with each other. Fun time.
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  Speaker 3: Three and a half out of five. I really enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 3: Then it was Son of Frankenstein from 1939. You know,
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  Speaker 3: when you have a movie like Frankenstein and you watch
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  Speaker 3: it and you're like, yeah, I get it. And then
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  Speaker 3: you have Bride of Frankenstein. You're like, okay. even though
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  Speaker 3: Frankenstein is, you know, not the monster, whatever, the monster's
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  Speaker 3: gonna get a bride. And I was like, okay, son
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: of Frankenstein. Are we getting him a son? Nah, it's
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  Speaker 3: just literally the son of Victor Vaughn or whoever Frankenstein.
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  Speaker 3: Frankenstein's still alive, even though technically he's died twice. Fucking,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know what's going on. Two
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  Speaker 3: and a half stars. It was boring.
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  Speaker 1: Also, what a weird rehashing of the film for a
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  Speaker 1: guy to spend the entire time going, My father wasn't crazy.
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  Speaker 1: He was a genius. He had ideas. So yeah, what
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  Speaker 1: if his creation killed people? It's his henchman's fault that
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  Speaker 1: he even did that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, don't worry. It gets worse than The Ghost of Frankenstein,
• 12:52
  Speaker 3: because unlike the title would suggest, there's no fucking ghost.
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  Speaker 3: It's a metaphor for the ghosts. You said it, and.
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  Speaker 1: The ghosts of our past?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the ghosts of Frankenstein's past that cannot escape. Eat dicks, okay?
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  Speaker 1: That would be the plot of Son of Frankenstein. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Jesus.
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  Speaker 3: Just, like, eat a bag of dicks. I can't even
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  Speaker 3: believe there's, like, four technically original movies, although I will
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  Speaker 3: say they are woven together like a Frankenstein's monster, because
• 13:20
  Speaker 3: they don't match up at all, and everything's bizarre.
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  Speaker 1: Except for the first and second one, those.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: After that, they're just adding.
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  Speaker 3: One and two match up. Three and four match up-ish.
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  Speaker 3: Bella Lugosi is in both of them. Those were my
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: two picks for Bella Lugosi. Should have chosen better movies,
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: but what the fuck did I know? We watched Creature
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: from the Black Lagoon. I do really admire and respect
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: this movie. I had never seen it. The creature itself
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: is probably my favorite monster, but the movie just wasn't...
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: I think I need to rewatch it now that I
• 13:53
  Speaker 3: know what I'm getting into because they were traveling down
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: the Amazon and then they just hit a point where
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: they stopped and that was it.
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  Speaker 1: They were in the Black Lagoon.
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  Speaker 3: I know, but it's just like the movie halted and
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  Speaker 3: then they're just like going back and forth with.
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  Speaker 2: The, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I know people keep dying, but we should just hang out.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. So, whatever. Then, Ghost of Frankenstein.
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  Speaker 1: There were some unintentionally hilarious moments in that.
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  Speaker 3: You made me watch something called Blood and Rust, which
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: was definitely a movie I saw with my eyes. Or no,
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  Speaker 3: you suggested it.
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  Speaker 1: It was for new for this year.
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  Speaker 3: And we were both like, oh. I rewatched Psycho Killer
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: again this year because everyone is just relentlessly trashing it.
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: It has like a 1.8. I don't get it.
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  Speaker 1: I enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 3: The movie is fucking awesome. Maybe it's all the satanic imagery.
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: Maybe there's a lot of Christians that got offended. I
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: don't know. But it's literally a mass killer with a
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: fucking deep, gnarly voice going around and killing fake Satanists.
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: It's fucking amazing. I don't give a shit what anybody says.
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  Speaker 3: On the second rewatch, still gave it four stars. Whatever.
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: My opinion in horror is blasphemous. And then I stupidly
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: picked Jaws 4, The Revenge. Because one of the Hooptober
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: prompts was the lowest rated movie from the 80s you
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: haven't seen. Nothing is lower than Jaws 4 to 1.6.
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  Speaker 3: So I had to watch Jaws 2 and 3 because
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: why the fuck would I jump from 1 to 4?
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  Speaker 3: My God, much like the Frankenstein movies, they just severely
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: have lost the plot. They did manage to get Brody
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: back for two. And even though Brody is in three,
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: it's fucking Dennis Quaid. And even he couldn't save this movie.
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  Speaker 3: Leah Thompson is also in the third one. That movie
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: wasn't great. I still have to watch that, the revenge,
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: and I'm not excited at all for it because they've
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: just progressively gotten just worse and worse and worse. Watch
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: Jacob's wife. Not going to tell you what that's about.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: Cause I want you to watch that really fucking good
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  Speaker 3: movie starring Barbara Crampton and Larry Fessenden four and a
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  Speaker 3: half stars. Other Mommy, Love Witch, Ghost in the Cell.
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to go into Ghost in the Cell
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: because Corey and I are actually doing a bonus episode
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: on it for this month, but I do want to
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: shout out Joko Onwar for sending me a screener for
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  Speaker 3: it because, fun fact, even though it was playing relatively close,
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: about an hour away, they only let it run for
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: one week. And I was going to try to see
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: it the next weekend, but I was checking times and
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, it's Wednesday. They're not playing it anymore. Okay, cool.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: So I messaged him because apparently I guess we're friends now,
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: which is cool. And I was like, Hey, blah, blah, blah.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: Do you mind sending me a screener? He's like, absolutely not.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: I would love to. I was like, okay, well we
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: will review like a full review and. I'll put out
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: content on it. And he's like, yeah.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: And if for some reason you're listening to this, excellent film.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Do more of that.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: We love Joko Anwar here at Firmest Podcast.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: I didn't appreciate the other film of yours I saw,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: by the way, just to be clear. I just really,
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: really liked this.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: It's a movie. I've never seen him like this before.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: It was most of his movies, at least from what
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: I've seen. I haven't seen his earlier stuff, although Severin
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: did just put out some that I pre-ordered a little
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: while back. But everything from Satan Slaves and on is
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: extremely serious. Extremely horrifying. Graphic. I mean, there's no comedy
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: except for the light bits between the family. This one, however,
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: dark comedy, thriller, action, body horror, fucking nightmare from hell.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: Holy shit, Joko. My God. Incredible film. And then, yeah,
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: VHS mixtape, which was just a massive L. I don't
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: even know where to begin. I could do a whole
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: episode on that movie itself. When your wraparound segment contains
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: gore and it's not good, that's a problem.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, gore would have been better as a segment, not
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: as a wraparound segment, because the bit with gore, if
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: you're really into gore, then you're going to love that.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: But if you're not super into gore, you're just like, God,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: this is a lot of gore.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: Which is the vast majority. Like I said to you,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: gore is a very niche-like genre. Band and a niche audience,
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: they do not have mass appeal. And I like their music.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: I like their stage presence. But when we're doing jerk
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: off and cum jokes at the beginning of a- And
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: suicide jokes. And suicide jokes at the beginning of a movie,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: I was almost ready to turn it off.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: Almost turned it off. I was like, fuck this. This
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: is crazy.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: And I'm really glad we held in because I think
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: it was the last two segments were the strongest. And
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: the last one was a really cool idea.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: The last segment is a genuine masterpiece.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: That was RZA, right?
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe that was his.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like genuinely a masterpiece. It was very good.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Such a creative idea of taking music and horror.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but by the time we got there, I was like,
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: I almost just don't want to watch that one individually.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he and I were both like, oh. Oh, my God,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: it's a good one. Because the one.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Before, we're like, oh, okay, this is actually, this is
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: doing better.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: This is taking a fun twist. Like, I wasn't so
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: sure to start. There's some parts of this I'm not
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: a big fan of. But, oh, it's taking a good direction. Okay,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: and then the last one, we're like, are we enjoying
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: this one?
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: That needs to be a feature-length movie.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would absolutely watch the shit out of that movie.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Because, honestly, it felt kind of crammed. But if you
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: could make that, like, an easy hour, 28-minute movie, no problem.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the girl for that, she did great.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Fantastic. All right, that's enough yapping about all these movies
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: that we had to catch up on. Let's roll into
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: The Body Count. You know, it's really funny. I was
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: watching a TikTok the other day, and it had a
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: jump scare in it, and they used that same scream.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, I guess they found the
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: same library. So this is The Love Witch from 2016,
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: released on November 11th of that year in the U.S.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: as a limited release. It is unrated. Fucking moderate sex
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: and nudity. I beg to differ. There were tits and
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: ass and fucking full frontal all over this movie. But sure,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: let's go with moderate. Moderate violence and gore.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Eh.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Mild profanity. Mild alcohol, drugs, and smoking. And mild frightening
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: and intense scenes. Coming in at two fucking hours. What?
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, I think sometimes it's... considered
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: moderate if there are just nude people, but there's not
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: like nude sex acts happening.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: She fucked like two guys.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, but you didn't actually see a lot of that.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: You saw his butt. But if it's like you're seeing
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: everything while it's happening and also most of the nudity
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: people were just standing still.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Well, this is an antichrist. They're not going full DP
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: in the first shot. Like, I mean, good lord.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying. I think that's probably
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: why it's modern.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying. There were tits and ass and everything
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: all over this place. Listed as a comedy horror romance.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: This is actually where it gets crazy. Directed by Anna Biller.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: She directed The Hypnotist, Viva, and the Face of Horror.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Written by Anna Biller, who also wrote Viva on the
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Face of Horror. Composed by Anna Biller, who also composed Viva. Cinematography,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: funny enough, not by her. M. David Mullen, he did
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: the cinematography for The Hypnotist, Jennifer's Body, and the Face
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: of Horror. Edited by Ann Beller, who also edited The
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Hypnotist and Viva. She was also the production designer and
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: the art decorator, the set decorator, the costume designer, and more.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, woman.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: You are working. Girl, I respect the game.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: You are fucking working.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: No matter what we feel about this movie, mad respect
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: for all that effort. Visually, that film was beautiful.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: I have nothing but respect for this woman. Oh, yeah.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Starring Samantha Robinson as Elaine Parks, who's also in Goody
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Goody as Goody from this year, which makes me want
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: to watch that movie immediately because Samantha Robinson was fucking mesmerizing.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: She was, yeah.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah. I need her to have some eyeshadow
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: in Goody Goody. Just like, come on. Because that palette was,
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: whatever palette she was using was on fucking point. It's
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: just a pregnancy thing.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: What?
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: It is. They have a baby in like a hurricane
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: or something. G.N. Keyes as Griff Meadows. He's only done three, well,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: you're going to drop that. Did you spill?
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: No, I put the lid on this time.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Wow. G.N. Keyes as Griff Meadows. He's only done three
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: other things I haven't heard of. Laura Waddle as Trish.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: She was in Crimson Peak as Pamela Upton. And Jeffrey
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Vincent Praise as Wayne Peters, who I definitely did not
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: add anything for. So he was probably in stuff.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: He was in the movie.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Estimated budget of N.A. grossing $ 261, 000. 6. Filmed in Eureka Arcata
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: in Los Angeles, California. You can watch this on Peacock, Tubi, Screenbox, Pluto,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: and Plex. It's fucking everywhere. Movies that came out around
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: the same time. Doctor Strange. This is where my perception
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: of time is just royally fucked with. Doctor Strange, Rogue One, Moana,
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: A Cure for Wellness, Terrifier, even though technically not until 2018,
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: but whatever. Office Christmas Party, Underworld, Blood Wars, Ouija Origin
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: of Evil, Bad Santa 2, and Incarnate. Time is just dumb.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen three of those.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: You haven't seen Bad Santa 2.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: You have not seen Incarnate.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: And you have not seen Office Christmas Party.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, I've watched it with you.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: You've not seen The Cure for Wellness? Correct. You didn't
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: watch that with me when I watched it for the podcast?
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Nope.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: What the fuck? That movie's so good. Yeah, I want
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: to see it. Oh, easily I'd watch that again. IMDb summary,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: a modern day witch uses spells and magic to get
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: men to fall in love with her with deadly consequences.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: This is the autopsy. All right. I mean, I always
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: kick it over to my guests for overall thoughts, but
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: you really need to carry this episode because I have
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: nothing to say about this movie. So what did you think?
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: What are your overall thoughts of The Love Witch?
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Overall thoughts is A plus on production and film quality
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: because I straight up, on the stills, you just assume everything.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: That it is an older film. And I was like, yeah,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I want to watch this older film, 2016. What? The
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: fuck do you mean 2016? Genuinely shocked. So the fact
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: that they did a film, which is so funny because
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: there's a few times where people, I think there was
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: like one instance where someone straight up busts out a
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: cell phone, which did actually make me laugh because I
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: was like, they put in so much effort into keeping
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: this aesthetic going, like this 70s aesthetic.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: But there was modern shit everywhere.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they worked so hard to keep the 70s
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: aesthetic going for the film, even if you can't really
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: help what's in the background or cars or stuff like that.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: They did their best to keep it as much possible.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: So for someone to outright flip out a phone at
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: one point, that killed me. I really enjoyed what it
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: was going for. Like the story itself, I really liked.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: For me, it was more of a pacing problem where
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: there was too much downtime between events.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Just too much time. Yeah.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Like once she pulled out the three of daggers, I
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: knew what was going to be happening. I caught the
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: symbolism there.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Symbolism.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: The symbolism there.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Rhythm with the tism.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so. And I really like, I was like, okay,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I know what we're going to, I see what we're
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: doing here. She's looking for a new love. I see
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: the three of daggers. Got it. The time between each
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: one of those was just like, stuff's happening. And then
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: it feels like she, like the third guy, it's like,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: is he interested? Are they, what's happening with them? Are
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: they dating? Are they not dating? And it, it, it
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: left too much open space between things. So at certain
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: points we would start unintentionally just tuning out a bit.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Cause I'm like, Oh God, eventually they're going to get
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: to something else, which is, which is sad because you know, um,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: The main actress, mesmerizing. She's beautiful. She did a great job.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Not to say anyone else.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: 10 out of 10 would be under a love spell
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: from her.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, especially with that blue eye shadow. But I feel
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: like it could have done with some paring down.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: I think this movie could have really benefited from about
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: a half an hour cut. That's a lot. It's a
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: quarter of the movie. I'm sorry, man. This shit dragged on.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: I was bored. And it's crazy because this is like
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: a rare time where I don't have anything to say
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: about a movie. And I never shut the fuck up
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: about movies, ever. Even if I didn't like something, I
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: will have things to say that I liked and things
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: that didn't work for me. But in this instance, one,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: I fucking barely remember what happened. We watched it a
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: few days ago, but nothing really memorable happened outside of
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: a few really good shots with like the, they were
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: doing like the rainbow thing. Great shots, but the dialogue
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: was just so uninteresting. The set pieces were incredible. The
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: costume designing was incredible. I mean, Samantha Robertson, sir? Samantha
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Robinson was fantastic. There's a lot of good elements here.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Too long. not enough happened where I was searching for
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: the horror in this movie desperately. I mean, we're talking
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: like this is the most adjacent horror movie I've ever seen.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Um, outside of like a stab stab.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Here, a couple of scenes where I thought it would
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: pick up a little more, but I think it was
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: more of like horror vibes in some scenes, less so
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: much outright horror. Yeah. Um, and there was a lot
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: going on with a strong feminine energy in this.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: And, Femin-energy.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. But the messaging was a little confusing, and
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I can't tell if that was, like, a satire thing.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: It was like, oh, you should do whatever you want
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: to please a man. Give him his fantasy. He will
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: be so much happier, except every time she did that,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: the dude died.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: That brings up questions. I think I have more questions
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: than anything, because, like, does Elaine actually want to be loved,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: or does she want to be worshipped? Does she look
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: for a partner or is she looking for someone to
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: validate her self-image?
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I see. I think that she realistically was for being like, oh,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be empowered. I'm reborn a witch. But
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: she was using it for some really heavily trad wife purposes. Like,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I want a man who's strong and will take care
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: of me. I will be doing witchcraft to secure said man.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: And she didn't really bother looking into these men before
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: she put spells on them.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: She's got a terrible taste in men, if I'm being honest. Yeah.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Terrible taste. Like, does she recognize another person's needs when
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: they conflict with her own? Does she have any understanding
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: of what a healthy relationship looks like? What is this woman?
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: No, I think there's like this underlying delusion she has
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: where she thinks getting a man, he'll take care of her.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: And then she... but she also, um, she often like
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: comments on these men and like how she doesn't like
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: them or she gets annoyed with them really easily. So
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: like she wants to buy into this idea that men
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: will to take care of her, but also she finds
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: them really fucking annoying.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Well, she's using love potions to, it's like the one
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: wish willow that she's using. She's, she's cracking one wish
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: willows and making men love her. And they're like, well,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: I'm annoyed that you're loving me. What do you want?
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But she like stays locked in. Um, It just
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: like kills them. And she's like, well, damn, I guess
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: that didn't work that time. I like the I found
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: it really amusing her flippant attitude towards unintentionally repeatedly killing people.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: She's like, well, that one didn't work. I guess that
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: wasn't the one. I'll go find another man. Like, but
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: that one died. It does happen. Like what? Yeah.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: The ending of the movie when she's talking to the
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: last guy she kills. She's just basically like, oopsie, I
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: used a love spell and it worked, but it also
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: killed him. I'm just a girl. And I'm like, okay,
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: this feels like a really weird cop-out. You know you're
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: a witch. You know you're using love potions, but you're
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: just like, oopsie doodle. What?
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: And I found that funny, but there were also moments where.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Well, you can't... Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I found that because I think it was supposed to
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: be part of her character where she's like, what she
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: wants and who she is don't really mesh together.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: At all.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, she was dropping some hard
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: truths about being a woman.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: And about how women will struggle with men and then
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: men will, and women give so much and are willing
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: to dump all of their love into a man and
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: give them everything. And men will just come in lukewarm
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: or sometimes even take away that, that love as a, um,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: as retribution for a slight. And it's like, we give
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: you all of this and what do you give us back?
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: And these are things that happen in relationships a lot. It's,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: it's very heavily weighted. The emotional weight is fair is
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: typically not all the time. Cause there are plenty of
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: men who are just loving too hard, but in a
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: good way, not in a complaint way. Um, uh, But typically,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: the women carry the emotional and mental load of the relationship.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: And there are so many men who are oblivious to that.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: And she sees it clear as day.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Y'all don't know how to just go on idle mode.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: That's the problem. Men have this mode. It's just idle.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: And we got to go there sometimes when we don't
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: want to think.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think one of the things is, yeah,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: if In theory, sure. But if no one waters the plant,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: it just dies.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying I'm on idle mode forever, but there's
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: times where, like, got nothing in my brain, you know?
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you gotta just disassociate for a minute, because life
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: fucking sucks. But I think the biggest problem I have
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: with the movie as a whole... I don't know. I'm
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: just a guy's point of view. I could be totally wrong.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: It felt ever so slightly sexist towards men, in a way. Because, like,
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: especially with the first guy, she hooks up with Wayne,
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: I think his name was. Mm-hmm. And how he, well,
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: she obviously drugged him with something. Because he's like, it
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: feels so weird. No one's ever given him.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Basically gave him natural acid.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And then he's just, like, kind of pouring out
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: her art and soul. And she's like, what's wrong? She's, like,
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: baby talking him. And that was kind of pandering. I didn't, like,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: why are you.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think she was being pandering. I think
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: she was doing what he thought, or she thought he wanted.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Where it's, like, someone who really. coddles you. It's interesting
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: because I'm viewing it the complete opposite way. Which is
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: fair because you don't like being coddled in a relationship.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: There is a group of guys who do want their
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: wives to baby them and they basically just want another mother.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: You don't want me to be your mom.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Well, I guess the way she was doing it felt
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: like it wasn't what is the word I am looking for?
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: It felt halfhearted. It felt like she was doing it to,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: I don't, it just didn't feel sincere, I guess.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. She also, uh, had straight up said that she,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: you know, she gives men their fantasy because, um, I
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: can't remember why she said she was doing it, but
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: basically it was like, they're happier and less likely to
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: be uninterested. If you, it's like, you give them exactly
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: what they ask for. So she's putting on this full performance, um,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: But she also doesn't fucking like him, so she's like
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: half in that performance because she already committed to making
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: that guy fall in love with her. She's like, I
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: guess I'm stuck with this guy.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: Well, and she also mentions at one point, men only
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: want one thing and blah, blah, blah. But then she's
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: literally out there getting naked in front of men. So
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: she's contradictory at the same time. You can't be upset
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: about men desiring you for your body, but then you're
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: just literally stripping in front of a man that you
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: just met. Is that not contradictory? It is.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Is this the point of the movie?
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: I don't fucking know.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because there's this thing where it's a damned
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: if you don't do, damned if you don't thing for
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: girls anyway, where it's like, oh, if you're really conservative
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: and you don't do that, well, you're a prude. But
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: if you're free with your body and you're not ashamed
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: of your body, well, you're a whore. There's no winning
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: at that point, because no matter what you do, you're
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: not living up to somebody's expectations. But for her, she
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: is outright stating she wants to bag a man. She
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: knows exactly... what to do to bag a man, and
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: she's going to go ahead and do that. She invites
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: her supposed friend's husband to her house because, well, she
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: made eye contact with him, so might as well try
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: to seduce him, too. She's not even looking for any
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: specific man. She's literally looking for men in passing.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: She's looking for a man with two legs, two arms,
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: and a penis. That's the qualification. And that's another thing
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: I didn't like about her. It's like, damn, girl, you
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: had to go after that, Trisha's husband? Really? With all
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: the men out there? Yeah. Did she know it was
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: her husband, though?
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, fuck her, then. Trisha literally said she was
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: out of town. And it's funny.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, fuck her. That's crazy.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Because it wasn't okay at all. To be clear, I
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: am in no way justifying what she's doing.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: I would be upset if you were.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: No, God, no. But... I think it's funny that the
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: first thing to go to for you is that fuck her,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: but also fuck him. He willingly went to.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: What? You threw a love spell on him.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: What do you mean? I know, but at the same time,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: you don't really know her. You're not friends with her,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: but while your wife is out of town, you go
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: and have dinner with a woman you don't know without
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: your wife's knowledge... Um, she's a witch.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: She has that. Oh no, that's vampires that have the allure.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Don't witches have some sort of like magnetism or something?
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: God, it was a spell maybe, but they never say
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: she did that.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: Unless you're trying to defend what he did. Sure, what
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: he did is wrong, but.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: No, I've just, um, I've also seen where it's like
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: the women, it's like, oh, you went after some other
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: woman's man. Yeah, that's fucked up and you shouldn't do that.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, you should be able to
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: trust that if a woman did approach your husband, it
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: wasn't just a matter of, um, accessibility that was slowing
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: them down. Because if a woman approached you, you'd be like, yeah, no,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I'm married. Okay, bye.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't ever get approached by women anyways. I
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: probably play into it for a bit. And then once
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: I had to be like, yeah, I've got a wife.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: What?
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: I've never had a woman walk up to me and
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: try to ever. So yes, I would play into it
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: and get some dopamine from it and then be like,
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: all right, I got to go see my wife. Bye.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: So you'd flirt behind my back.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: No, not flirting. I would accept any compliments a woman
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: had to say to me. And then say, oh, let
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: me check the time. Oh, it's wife o'clock. I'll see
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: you later.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the last time I ever went out, a group
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: of guys tried to chat me and my two other
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: married friends up. And, you know, we were just, they
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: were chit-chatting with us and we were being friendly. And
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I told the one guy,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: he honestly looked a lot like Taye Diggs. And I
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: was like, man, you actually really heavily resemble Taye Diggs.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: And he's like, oh my God, thank you. And I
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: was like, yeah. And then they kept talking to us
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: and I was like, Oh, no.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: Don't tell a man that he looks like an attractive man. Exactly.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: But he looked a lot like Taye Diggs. I don't
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: know what you want from me. But then we're like, oh, no,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: these guys are not like, okay, well, it was nice
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: to meet you. Bye. And we're just like ring. We're
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: just like, I'm just like aggressively. We're just going. Yeah.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: And my husband.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you refer to me in that voice. My husband.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Fucking crap. Uh, yeah.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: No, it's just, I was like, oh God, I need
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: you to pick up that we're married and that you
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: need to leave or we're, you know what? We're going
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: to go. This is getting weird. We got to go.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: It's getting weird.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Um, like.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah. You know who I got compared to in high school?
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Napoleon Dynamite. You know how fucking hard that hit me?
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Where on your face do you look like Napoleon Dynamite?
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: You've seen my high school pictures. Yeah. If you curled
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: that hair and made it red and you, it. And
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: you saw me do my impression of him back in
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: the day, yeah, you'd be like, I didn't see the connection,
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: but that's what I got compared to.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: I got compared to Emma Stone.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Because you look like Emma Stone.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: It's the thick eyebrows. Well, you did have blonde hair
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: at one point. When I met you and you had
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: the blonde hair, you 100% looked like, specifically, well, especially
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: from Birdman. Same.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Less strung out, I hope.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Well, yes. You got those big anime eyes, big chunky eyebrows.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: That is just a weird turn on for me. I
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: don't know what it is.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: You really had the big eyebrows, which is great because
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not drinking these bad boys down.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: There's so many women I see out there where I'm like,
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: the brow blindness. Brow blindness. It's like the brow blindness
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: is going to smack them in the face in five
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: years because what are these pencil thin mustaches? Eyebrows. I
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: can't speak. I don't know. I like.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Anyway, the love witch.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: I like chunky eyebrows. And Samantha Robinson has chunky eyebrows.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I love big, prominent eyebrows. To be fair,
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: they're not like Eugene Levy-style eyebrows. Let me put that
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: out there. That's not what you have. You just have good,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: prominent eyebrows. It's a weird thing that I'm attracted to.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, we were watching Creature from the Black Lagoon,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: and we're both like, oh, this lead's really pretty. And
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: I just look at you, and I'm like, you just
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: like that she has really dark, big eyebrows, and you're like,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: you know, that's my thing.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Dude, the contrast of dark, big eyebrows and blonde hair,
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: I'm not even into blondes, but that combination, when I
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: met you, I was like, That's the one right there.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Speaking of blondes.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Let me fucking dye your hair.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Back to my normal color.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: I can't afford to be blonde in this economy, okay?
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: It's too expensive.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: In this economy.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Speaking of blondes, did you notice that in Samantha and
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Elaine's apartment, she had the wig sitting there?
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: But she also had a blonde wig at one point there.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: And we never saw her in a blonde wig.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Or did we see her trying to dress up as Elaine?
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: She is Elaine. What do you mean?
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Or Trish, sorry.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Trish was a redhead.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Trish was a blonde.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Trish was redheaded.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. You're going to make me go back.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Anyway, so I thought that was weird. And I thought
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: we showed that for a reason. But then we didn't.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: And I was kind of like, oh, okay.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: I was confused as to why she had a wig.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: She took off her hair. She took off the wig.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Extensions.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: I know. But I was like, she took off the wig.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: And I was like, nothing changed. And you're like, extensions. Okay.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Usually extensions go in your hair. You don't put on
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: a wig.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Not every time. So confused. Sometimes it's more like a
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: toupee over your hair.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay. I got you.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Because that's more removable.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: A toupee over your hair.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Jesus. Yeah. Actually, funny enough, follow the House of Usher. Fuck,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: she is a redhead.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Ha ha ha.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: A blind bastard. Follow the House of Usher. The sister
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: of the twins that are like the head of the
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Usher house.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: She unclips one at one point. Oh. Same thing, but
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: hers had bangs on it.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah. I guess we never see her use that
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: for whatever reason. She uses the wig. Slash extensions.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: And I also like that she, you know, again, we
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: do see a lot of nudity, but we don't get
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: full nudity from her. We get some of her butt,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: like some underwear. But her hair is always covering her boobs.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: And we thought that was like, you know, honestly.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: That's how you know a film is made by a woman.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: You know, they have some decency to the nudity.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Like straight up.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: The nudity was heavily around the men and around the rituals.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: When she's doing stuff, though, she only appears to be nude.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, you do see her breasts a lot.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but not full breasts.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: And I guess that's why.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Even when she's doing the ritual, she's covered.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for the most part, yeah. And again, that's how
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: you know a film is made by a woman, because
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: they at least have some decency, even in the nudity,
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: especially when it comes to the main character. Other people...
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: In the movie, obviously, we're just butt-ass naked, full frontal
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: on men and women. But I do respect the fact that, yes,
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: I think that's how it should be treated. She also,
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, she was the one doing the kind of
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: what men would do by taking, I don't know if
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: she's really taking advantage of them. But, you know, she
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: was putting. Yeah. So it's kind of roles were reversed
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: where she's kind of. doing the thing that men typically do.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: And if the roles had been reversed and this was
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: a man, this movie would be fucking shredded to bits.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Let's be honest. It's a double standard that I'm not,
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: I'm not a fan of, but I get it because
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: men are terrible and I get it. Fuck the patriarchy.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: I'm on that side. But if seriously, if, if, if
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: the love, which was a man, you know, the love
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: warlock or whatever, it'd be completely, it'd be a completely perceived, uh, differently.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Well, that's, um, So, you know, obviously that hits in
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: with like obsession and whatnot, like controlling other people, taking
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: away their autonomy. Yeah. That Ruby Sparks movie is literally
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: about a guy who writes a girl into existence and
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: then starts making changes to her because anything he writes
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: about her becomes true.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: It's almost like Companion where you can kind of just
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: upgrade and update and do.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Things and Yeah, except in this, she's aware that things are...
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: She's sometimes aware and sometimes not aware, and she can't
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: control that, and she's, like, in some instances, witnessing herself
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: do things she has no control over.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: Interesting.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: And, yeah, you gotta watch it. It's crazy. But I
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: think this one, yeah, is more played for laughs, and
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: it probably could have dug a little deeper, but, you know,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I think she... She's like... What am I thinking of?
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: It's like you give a, you know how you like
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: you give a gorilla a kitten, you're worried they're going
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: to squish it to death.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: And then they end up just babying it because they
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: have that instinct. Yeah.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: But she's the gorilla that would actually.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: Unless you throw a kid in there, then Harambe happens.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: She's Lenny.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Lenny.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. From.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Of Mice and Men. Yeah. I just want to pet
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: the rabbits, George.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, minus the deficits, but she's like, yeah, I
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: just want to love something. Smothers it to death. I
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: don't know why that didn't work out. All I did
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: was love it. So she couldn't even be that she's
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: not flipping about the fact that she's killing these men.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: It's that she's so like far removed from her actual
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: actions causing them. She's like, all I did was love them.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: No, I opposite feeling. She knows what she's doing and
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: it keeps happening. The fucking tarot card that she pulled.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: She knows what's about to happen.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but she straight up said, all I did was
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: love them.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Put a little too much sauce in that love potion,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like I basically OD'd them on love. But to her,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: she's like, I just wanted them to love me. Yeah,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: but you literally overdosed them on it and it killed them.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: No, no, Walter had heart failure.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, from love. Love. But, so... Yeah, she's literally killing
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: them by loving them too much.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Is it her loving them too much? Sorry, is it
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: her loving them too much or is it them loving
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: her too much? I think it's that.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: No, I think it's her playing her.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Because she's not dying.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: No, but she put a spell on them and put
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: so much intention into that spell because spells are about intention.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I put a spell on you. They don't work if
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: you don't believe. They don't work if you don't have
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: the intention. Intention really controls what they do. And she
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: had intentions for them to love her and be with
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: her forever because her husband had died. But then he
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: had said all these awful things. So like in her mind,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: she just wants someone who's going to treat her right
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: and She just wants someone to love her so, so, so,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: so much to the point where you're pushing all of
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: that onto them. Just like think about obsession. Bear wanted
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: her not just to love him, but love him more
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: than anything else in the entire world. That's a really
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: strong feeling to shove into somebody else's body.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: Well, here are some questions for you on Elaine herself.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: Do you feel that she is empowered or is she
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: trapped in a fantasy of femininity? Yes. Both? Yeah.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: She's taking control of her life, but I think she
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: is delusional about its impact. But no. Damn, I was
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: going to say something.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: You think she's genuine in her impact?
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: No, because what I was saying was that that's a
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: big feeling to push into somebody else, but that also
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: could circle back around to the commentary. She says that
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: women love harder and love more, so maybe she's For her,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: if she's projecting that feeling of love to the extent
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: that a woman feels it to a man, maybe that's
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: what's killing them is they're not ready to feel to
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: that extent.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's interesting. Okay, interesting point.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Got there.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: Got to a thought. Well, yeah, but that's an interesting
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: point you raise because women are, I mean, by nature.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: We're raised to be that way.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, almost like conditioned to be that way.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: But you do love harder. You have bigger hearts. You
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: have more feelings and emotions. And I'm not saying this
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: in a derogatory way. It's just true. And if that
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: energy from a woman's, like I said, feelings was pushed
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: into a man.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Who is not in touch with his feelings.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: Who is not in touch with his feelings. Who is fragile.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Because she talks about how men are so fragile. She's,
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: I guess, picking the most fragile men. that overload of
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: feelings could potentially lead to a heart attack. I mean,
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: she definitely stabbed one of them, for sure, with the
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: knife at the end in the hotel room. She was
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: completing the circle. She stabbed him three times. Right, exactly.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: So that's interesting, though, and that kind of makes me
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: want to revisit this movie, which is crazy because I, whatever.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: That's an interesting point, and that is, could be what's
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: going on here. The over excess of emotions can become overwhelming.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know about to the point of death, but
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, when witchcraft is involved, the fucking sky is
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: the limit. So you never know. I like that. That's
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: a good point.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: That's a very good point. In the craft where Sarah
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: wishes that Skeet Ulrich's character would like her. And then
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: he damn near assaults her because he can't stop thinking
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: about her. He doesn't even understand why. Because when you
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: put that intention out there, it sometimes can manifest in
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: a way you didn't intend. Same thing with obsession. That's
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: a that's a reoccurring theme in some films. And yeah,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: women do tend to love more. We tend to be
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: more empathetic, but that is because we are literally raised
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: to believe we are more emotional and men are raised
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: to believe that emotions hurt them. Emotions are unmanly. Like
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: they're programmed into your body. All people are born with emotions.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: But for some reason, for men, unmanly to feel feelings
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: except rage.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: Especially millennials. We were raised with such gender norms. And
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: women do this. Men do this. And that's how we
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: were conditioned as kids. And now we're trying to break
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: that cycle. So that's very accurate. but something speaking of
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: assault something I liked about this movie is that to
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: my knowledge I don't remember no one outright assault Samantha
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: like with the first guy.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: When she keep calling her Elaine because you keep calling her.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: By the actress sorry Elaine when she was dancing for
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: that first guy that she made trip out on acid
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: she was dancing in front of him getting undressed, and
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: he was weird and sniffing underwear. I've never understood the
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: fascination with sniffing underwear. I don't get it. But she
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: was like, you can have sex with me now. And
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: that's when he made a move. Again, woman director, makes sense,
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: but I appreciate the fact that even though she was
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: basically love-bombing people, no man was trying to force himself
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: upon her. Even the last guy was like, I'm not
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: in love with you, blah, blah, blah. And then he
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: ends up in the hotel room. So... There's a lot
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: of good elements. I guess I had more to say
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: than I thought. Like, there's so many good elements to
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: this movie. I just feel the runtime is really what's
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: holding this back. And independent director, you know, this is
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: the story you wanted to tell. I appreciate that. The
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: fucking integrity you have is, I think, unmatched. I don't
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: think I've ever seen... I've seen writer, director, editors... But
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: I have never seen writer, director, editor, set decorators, costume.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, she did even more. I just didn't even
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: list them out. She did more than that.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, impressive as hell.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: And I do feel that's exactly why the movie looks
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: the way it does, has a vibe, and keeps that
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: vibe throughout the entire film because she's the one doing everything.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, I desperately want to speak to this woman
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: and be like, was this easy for you? I can't
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: imagine it was. Well, did you take on all of
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: this because... you knew you could handle it because you
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: had a certain aesthetic, or was it just such a
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: low-budget movie that you had to? Because if she did
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: this knowing she could full well do everything, give this
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: woman more fucking... Let her do more things. Yeah. Fucking
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: clearly talented. This movie's a goddamn vibe. Yeah. For sure.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: It's just lacking in several departments that make me engage
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: with the movie. Yeah. If it wasn't for Samantha Robinson...
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: I probably would have hated this movie, but she was
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: so fucking charming and a little quirky. And even though
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: I felt like she was just brushing past some things,
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: she was very good in the role. Even Laura Waddell
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: as Trish, she was great too. And they have that
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: confrontation in the end where she's like, you killed my husband.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: And there's a lot of, there's a very emotionally charged scene.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I still don't know where I'm leaning with
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: this one, but I think we're, I think I'm getting
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: to a point of an answer. A couple more questions
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: for you, because I just wrote down a bunch of questions, honestly,
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: for you. Did I ask you if you think her
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: confidence is genuine or performative?
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: I think it's genuine.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: You think it's genuine? Okay. Does she control men because
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: she wants power over them or because she fears rejection?
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: I think she wants to lock one in to not
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: have to be what she perceives as alone. I think
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: she feels like she... will only be satisfied if she
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: has a man. So I think she exerts that power
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: to make sure she gets one because her husband already
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: did things she didn't like. So she's trying to, um,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: force a connection.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: I know the answer to this one. And I think
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: you do too. Is her beauty a weapon, a shield
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: or both? One, two, three, both. Yeah. Okay. Uh, and
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: then do you think the movie is trying to make
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: us sympathize with her, condemn her or alternate between the two?
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: And I'm asking you as a woman because my opinions
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: as a man are not nearly as, it's going to
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: mean way more coming from you because my view is
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: just so different. I have not had the woman experience.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: I don't think, I think there are instances, yeah, where
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: you're maybe not necessarily supposed to sympathize with her personally,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: but sympathize with parts of her plight as a woman
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: and the struggle of being the one who puts yourself
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: out there more in relationships where It's very typical to
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: women to expose themselves, be extremely vulnerable, and then for
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: guys to just be like, yeah, I just stopped calling because,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I just did. Okay, but why? We
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: were having a great time, and then you just fell
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: off the face of the earth. I mean, I've had
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: that experience where I'm chit-chatting with someone, things are going great, okay,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: we're done, we're never speaking again, and I'm like, what the?
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it happened to me. It happened to me one
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: time I just got fully ghosted, and I was like,
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: Six months into this relationship, she changed my relationship status
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: on Facebook to engage. She was the one who came
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: on hard to me. And then all of a sudden,
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: she ghosted. Never got an answer. And I'm like, all right.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: You didn't want to ask her when we accidentally bumped
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: into her at line in Halloween Horror Nights?
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: I can't believe neither one of us recognized each other.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: To be fair, she had gotten fat. And we were both.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Cut that out.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: Women can be fat.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it sounded like an insult. And that was
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: really rude. No.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: Women are allowed to be fat. Men are fat. I'm fat.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: I acknowledge it. She got fat. I'm not saying she
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: got morbidly obese. She put on weight.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: That would be the nicer way to say that. Fine.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: She put on weight. It was very dark, and we
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: were both drunk, but we were literally playing, this was
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: years ago, we were playing the heads up game in line,
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: and just talking back and forth. And I was like,
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: what's her name, by the way? She's like, and I
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: was like, I'm Austin. And we looked at each other,
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: and she's like, I'm gonna get my answer now, aren't I?
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: And then she booked it out of that haunted house.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever seen anybody.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Like, it was right as we were getting up to
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: the door, and then she was.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Gone in She was gone. I was like, you coward.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: Tell me why. Not holding on to that at all.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: Fucking like 12 years ago.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: It was so weird because you guys just got really weird.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: And then she turned around and I was like.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: She said something to you. She's like, did you like,
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: did he say his name was Austin?
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, I don't know what's happening now.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: Oh, so weird. So strange. Yeah. I've been ghosted one time.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: That was the one that I was like, all right.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: And that's, that's when I just lost faith and everything
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: because I don't, I don't understand how the world works. But, uh, yeah,
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: for a two hour movie, it is a substantial runtime
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: for this woman trying to find, to find love. And
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: I think the pacing is a little up and down.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: Like from the opening shot, honestly, I was hooked. It's
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: a woman fucking smoking a cigarette with beautiful eye shadow,
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: driving down the highway with the top down. I was like,
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: all right, we're in for a movie here. And then
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: it just kind of meandered a little bit and just
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: kind of, I feel like it was trying to find
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: a way to the ending. And then they were like, ah,
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: we'll just go with this. I don't know.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: No, I think the parts that were... more heavy on
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: the plot were very intentional. It was the stuff in
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: between where it felt like we were just kind of
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: chilling out, vibing. Okay, well, we've been vibing for a while.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I can vibe with a movie, but you
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: gotta do something with it. I will say that Victorian
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: tea room or whatever that was, when they were always
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: getting tea and she had the big hat on, I
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: want to get a big hat and go to tea time.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: That's not even my thing, but that looked like so
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: much fun.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we can do that.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: Pfft. Get a big ass hat. Fucking love it. So
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: what do you think about the ending? Does Elaine get
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: what she wants? I mean, what was the ending? She
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: kills the guy and has a fantasy about riding off
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: on a horse with him? Was that what happened? Did
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: she die too? What the fuck?
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: No, she didn't die.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know what the fuck happened at the end
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: of that movie.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: She completed the card by killing him. He was also
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: the one that was going to arrest her for the
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: other men.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: The other dits. They found her. fingerprints at the crime
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: scene even though it's the.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: She found her jar of pee.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: Oh god i forgot about that and there's nothing let
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: me just preface this by saying there's nothing rod periods
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: don't gross me out it was just the fact that
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: she put a bloody tampon in urine and i was
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: like this is strange shit this is very bizarre.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah it was a weird time.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: Like i was like what is happening But I know
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: menstrual blood is used a lot in witchcraft and stuff.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: It was just so strange to see it go into urine.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: I was like, all right, this is weird. I don't
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: like this part.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But no, I think she just kind of fulfilled
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: her own card reading.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: But what was that? Like, it was a fantasy she
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: had at the end.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: She was fantasizing about when she married the guy.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah. At that weird little solstice. Yeah. We looked at
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: each other, and that happened. Like, is this a Ren
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: Faire in this movie? Do we just time travel? What
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: the fuck is happening?
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Which is really funny, because we've been discussing going to
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: our first Ren Faire.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: Well, we are going. We got our daughter the most
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: cutest little fairy outfit.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: She's going to be a little woodland fairy.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. She ran up to me in that outfit,
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: and I almost started crying. I was like, you are
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: literally the most precious thing on this planet. I love
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: you so much.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: The shirt she's going to wear for her Thanksgiving outfit,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: she's going to wear under it, and it's going to
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: look so freaking cute.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, man. All right. So final verdict here on The
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: Love Witch. Where are we leaning on this? Not rating wise,
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: but just like what are your thoughts about kind of
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: the movie as a whole? I know we already started.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: For me, it's honestly 50-50. If the pacing had been better,
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: it would have been a lot stronger for me. But
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: because it was running so slow for me, I just
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: really started to lose steam. Probably I think another watch
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: down the road would help.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: And I always revisit movies like this, especially ones like this,
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: because I'm so in the middle of it that I
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: don't really have an opinion per se outside of things
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: I like, things I didn't like. So this is one
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: that I definitely would like to try again. Yeah. Maybe
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: there's some things I missed along the way. way. I
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: feel like there's a lot of subtleties in this movie
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: that went unnoticed by me. I don't know, but this, yeah,
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: I'm kind of in the middle as well. Like it
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: wasn't bad. It wasn't necessarily great. I mean, the biggest
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: selling point of this movie is the aesthetic for me
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: and Samantha Robinson's just magnetic performance. I think those two things,
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: Were fantastic, but they can't hold an entire movie together. Yeah.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: That's where I'm at. I would like to see more
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: of the director's work. The umbrella copy that I got
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: of The Love Witch actually came with Viva, which is
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: another one of her films. So check that out. I
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: don't know what it's about, but I do have another
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: Anna Biller film.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: She's done a couple more. She actually just put out
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: one this year that I'd like to check out. So
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: I will absolutely check out more of her work because
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: if it's anything aesthetically wise, like this movie, at least
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: we got that going for us.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know. You got anything else in
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: this movie that we didn't touch on?
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: No, I think we covered it.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: I'm surprised we actually killed an hour here.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: We did ramble on about ourselves quite a bit.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: Enjoy our personal lives, everybody. That's why this state at
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: the beginning of every episode, there will be tangents. Sometimes
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: there's no tangents. Sometimes we stick to the fucking script.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: Other times we're talking about random bullshit for no reason.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Now here's a one hour introspective on our lives.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: Okay. Everything is fucked. We might be moving. Anyways. So
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: with that being said, I was a love witch from 2016.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: Let's move on to the final cut. You'll see that
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: I have the same tagline twice. That's not an error.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: This was listed twice in the taglines. She loved men, dot, dot, dot,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: space to death. And then she loved men, dot, dot, dot,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: no space to death. Cool. Trivia, while writing the script
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: for The Love Witch, Anna Biller had been reading relationship
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: self-help books, and one in particular piece of advice that
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: stuck out to her was that if a woman wants
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: to keep a man around, she should love him less
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: than he loves her. She noticed a parallel between this
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: advice and the female characters in classic cinema who love
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: someone to death, such as Eileen in Leave Her to Heaven, 1945.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: That is on my watch list. I still really want
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: to see that movie.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: Okay, so she decided to create the character of Elaine
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: in the same vein that rhymed Anna Biller said she
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: chose a witch as the protagonist because they are such
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: a powerful historical trope in terms of women's sexuality that's
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: been handed down through millennia. She added that she bases
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: stories on her own life experiences as a female and
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: then looks for characters and settings that are cinematic where
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: she can use symbols of imagery to tell a story.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: The witch is a perfect iconic figure in which to
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: discuss all of those issues. And lastly here, one of
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: the street Elaine drives down at the beginning of the
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: film is F Street in Eureka, California. The Eureka Theater
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: at St. Innocent Orthodox Church can be seen. She moves
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: into the historic Bear Stokes House in nearby Arcata, California.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: Some fucking petty goof, one petty goof and one real goof.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: Jerry's signature, shown at the 13-minute mark, is noticeably different
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: than the one at 50 minutes. Who the fuck is
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: paying attention to this shit? Because you know that this
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: person had to rewind the movie 37 minutes to verify that.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: Fucking nerd. This one, though, I agree with. When the
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: police pulled Elaine over in her car, he said her
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: taillight was broken. Even though it was daytime, if the
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: light fixture were broken, it could.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: Still be seen in the daylight.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: Oh, how is that a goof?
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: I think they mean if it was nighttime, but I
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: Whatever. That's a weird goof. But yeah, unless the taillight
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: was smashed, you're not really going to see the taillight,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: especially with that kind of a car. I don't think
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: those cars had running lights, but whatever. So great ratings
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: for this movie, honestly. We must be just missing something. 6.3
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: out of 10 on IMDb, which equivalents to a 3.15
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: out of 5 on our Nightmare Index scale. 3.50 as
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: an aggregate score on Letterboxd, 95% on the Tomatometer, 61%
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  Speaker 3: audience score. What did you give this movie?
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  Speaker 1: A two and a half.
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  Speaker 3: Wow. Okay. I also gave it a two and a
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  Speaker 3: half because it's just- Again.
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  Speaker 1: I think we need to rewatch where we know what's going,
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  Speaker 1: where we're more aware of the film.
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  Speaker 3: So that gives us a 2.91 out of five. That
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  Speaker 3: is going to fall way down here on the list. Oh, man. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: I still have to, I got to keep going. Oh
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  Speaker 3: my God. So, wow. So this is going to fall
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: above Frankenstein's army at a 2.78 and below Of Unknown
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  Speaker 3: Origin at a 2.94. That's a shocking place for this
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  Speaker 3: movie to fall. Similar movies according to IMDB, Viva, Elvirus,
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  Speaker 3: Mistress of the Dark, The Craft, Jennifer's Body, and Ginger Snaps.
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  Speaker 3: Similar movies according to Letterboxd. We have Forbidden Fruits, Once
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: Upon a Time, dot, dot, dot, and Hollywood. Dark Shadows,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma, and Knife Plus Heart.
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  Speaker 3: Funny reviews. What do you got?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, five stars from Megan Bitchel.
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  Speaker 3: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: So many women are just one personality disorder away from
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: becoming witches.
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  Speaker 3: Three stars from Cinephilia, dot, dot, dot, candlelight this was
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  Speaker 3: about 30 minutes too long and the acting gave me
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  Speaker 3: a headache headache but the aesthetic is to die for
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  Speaker 3: that's kind of where I'm at yeah that's fair kind
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  Speaker 3: of where.
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  Speaker 1: I'm at um three stars from Brian Helena she may
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: have girl bossed a bit too close to the sun
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  Speaker 1: this time flew.
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  Speaker 3: Too close to the sun with wings of wax two
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: stars from Ely I don't relate to the love witch
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  Speaker 3: because when I kill men you better believe I'm doing
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  Speaker 3: it on purpose.
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  Speaker 1: Three and a half stars from Mia. Bad emoji. I
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: had no idea that among the many names Lana Del
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Rey has gone by slash goes by, Elaine Parks was
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: one of them.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's hilarious because my next one also involves Lana
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: Del Rey. Three and a half stars from Andrew M.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: Elvira's How to Kill a Guy in 10 Days starring
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: Lana Del Rey.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then the last one, just because I like stupid
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  Speaker 3: puns and shit, one and a half stars from Caitlin.
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  Speaker 3: More like, the love, which way is the theater exit?
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  Speaker 1: I saw that one, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's fucking great.
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