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SEASON2 EPISODE_125_DA CREW PODCAST_HOST SHANETTE W JOHNSON · DA CREW Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Oh, persons, all things and what they used to be?
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  Speaker 2: Where did all the blue sky's but boys and the.
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  Speaker 3: Blots from the Lord and somethings?
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  Speaker 2: Well, persons, all things and what they used to be? No,
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  Speaker 2: let's talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: What's your host at Johnson Join me every person, third
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  Speaker 3: Monday of the month at eight pm Easter standards.
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  Speaker 2: This isn't got and let's talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: You welcome, good evening, Thank you for joining me for
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  Speaker 3: another episode of Let's talk about It.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna give a.
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  Speaker 3: Quick disclaimer, real quick, and then we're gonna start with
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  Speaker 3: talk to my guests. Before we start, let me first
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  Speaker 3: announce a disclaimer by saying that all contents of this
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  Speaker 3: program is not a reflection of the crew. Podcast provider,
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  Speaker 3: Our hosts by mss Angela Thompson Smith provided this program
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  Speaker 3: for myself, Chanette Johnson, and my co host Cornell Drummond.
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  Speaker 3: He's giving me a he's calling in right now. So
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  Speaker 3: with that said, tonight's guests we have is mister James Legate.
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  Speaker 3: Mister James Legate is currently incarcerated in Texas.
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  Speaker 2: Give me a minute, I gotta get my co hosts.
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  Speaker 2: He called a little late. Hello Cornell, Hello, how you doing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing good.
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  Speaker 3: I was just getting introducing producing mister Legate when you
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  Speaker 3: have called so so since I have both of.
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  Speaker 2: You online with me, and I'm not gonna.
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  Speaker 3: Waste no more time because I know the viewers would
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  Speaker 3: like to get into this to hear mister Legate.
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  Speaker 2: Mister Legate, all.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Uh listen then thank you man justin thank you
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  Speaker 4: for having me on your show. Cornell. How you doing
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  Speaker 4: and it's nice to out here. Uh, I'm doing great,
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  Speaker 4: mister Legate.
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  Speaker 5: I'm doing great.
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  Speaker 4: Good to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Well, first, well let me let me let me
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  Speaker 4: introduce myself. I convin James Legate. Uh. In nineteen ninety eight,
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  Speaker 4: I used to work for a company called Advantage All
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  Speaker 4: the Finance. What it was was like a broker who
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  Speaker 4: we try to help individuals try to reatavatter credit by
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  Speaker 4: putting them in certain videful vision again and how vituals
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  Speaker 4: or we have vendors and would uh that will give
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  Speaker 4: them credit. Wellstead this time that I was there, I
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  Speaker 4: was there for about two years before this incident. I
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  Speaker 4: started the reposition center and I started the collection agency
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  Speaker 4: called my boss mister James Walker. Well. On one particular
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  Speaker 4: day of the year about ninety eight, we were located
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  Speaker 4: room sports Comers, where the owner, Holly Kalia, introduced me
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  Speaker 4: to this woman by the name of beryland Made. He
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  Speaker 4: asked if I could do a favor and take her
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  Speaker 4: down the street on ten Pens to see if I
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  Speaker 4: can have her car register at the DMP down her. So,
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  Speaker 4: of course I agreed, and as I entered the car,
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  Speaker 4: I noticed that she had a tepiscope on her rearview minerals.
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  Speaker 4: So to break the eydy type of said, so you're
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  Speaker 4: in the medical field and she said yeah, So I
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  Speaker 4: thought they did around in the neighborhood. She goes, no,
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  Speaker 4: it's towing up a pool in front. Kelln Well, it
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  Speaker 4: just happened to be that the pool Liver Kellahan, a
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  Speaker 4: friend of mine owned the club there called the Texas
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  Speaker 4: to Chance, and in ninety six I remember when I
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  Speaker 4: go over there, they were doing some construction right now
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  Speaker 4: store to it, and I asked the people what what
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  Speaker 4: are y'all making? And it's going to be a home
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  Speaker 4: health center. So automatically I thought, well, if they're right there,
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  Speaker 4: if I Texas jam and she like, don at me surprise,
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  Speaker 4: She goes, yeah, how do you know and I express
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  Speaker 4: how I knew, uh, you own her next door texta
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  Speaker 4: chams so we don't did like that, And then you know,
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  Speaker 4: we talked about other stuff, but we got her father,
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  Speaker 4: rich Stern, came on back to the office. Never heard
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  Speaker 4: from her again. Right then a few months later mister
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  Speaker 4: Kalia at Kalia came to me and asked me if
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  Speaker 4: I remembered this girl and I said yeah, and uh,
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  Speaker 4: he goes, well, look said default can you look at me?
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  Speaker 4: Can you find the car for me? I said sure, so, uh,
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  Speaker 4: I well, just so it'll be clear, I didn't represent
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  Speaker 4: the cars myself. What I did is I hunted them down.
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  Speaker 4: I found them and I called a record which was
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  Speaker 4: Springer towing the record would come and then he took
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  Speaker 4: up the car after I heard reported it to the
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  Speaker 4: San Antonia Police Department. So on this particular day, which
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  Speaker 4: is September to third, and I kept on riding around
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  Speaker 4: trying to see if maybe she goes to the office.
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  Speaker 4: So then I stuck at the bar which is uh
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  Speaker 4: which was called Players. Now I didn't know that because
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  Speaker 4: I hadn't been there for a while. So I go
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  Speaker 4: in there and I started talking. I heard one of
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  Speaker 4: the ex waitresses. Was the manager now, and I talked
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  Speaker 4: to make a small up and made a few ball
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  Speaker 4: allSome there and I'm sitting there just waiting and waiting.
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  Speaker 4: I got there for you know, a few hours, and
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  Speaker 4: uh then I went next door and I went up
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  Speaker 4: and walked him to go down there, and told myself,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to go down there. So when I got
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  Speaker 4: to the to the office. As I walked in, there's
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  Speaker 4: a little reception to desk right there, I saw a
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  Speaker 4: man on the pole. He told me to stop and
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  Speaker 4: wait until I did. Then he waited to follow him.
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  Speaker 4: So I followed him into the into his office, and
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  Speaker 4: he was as deaf. While there, I had my freecase
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  Speaker 4: with me. I had everything in there. I had my
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  Speaker 4: driver's signers, I had dealership cards, I had dealer teddy,
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  Speaker 4: I had off my nose everything. So as I tried
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  Speaker 4: to hand in one of my business cards, everything just
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  Speaker 4: happened so fast that he threw the table over. Next
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  Speaker 4: thing I know, I'm just running out the store and
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  Speaker 4: I'm done. You know, I don't know what happened. It
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  Speaker 4: fel like if I went through a twilight zone, because
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  Speaker 4: next thing i know, I'm coming out of a Burger came.
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  Speaker 4: That's about twenty five minutes the way where they said
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  Speaker 4: I got off the bus and it takes about that much.
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  Speaker 4: You can do that burger game. Well, when I got there,
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  Speaker 4: it's like if I just like somebody, I'm blind forward
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  Speaker 4: with me and I'm like, okay, go wait a minute,
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  Speaker 4: because you know, I was drinking at the club next store,
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  Speaker 4: and I want to call it a functioning alcoholic. So uh,
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  Speaker 4: as I walked down, I was like, hey, where's my
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  Speaker 4: car at? You know, because I have my car and everything.
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  Speaker 4: So I go up to the street to see where
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  Speaker 4: I'm at, and all of a sudden I heard somebody yelling, hey, hey,
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  Speaker 4: So I turned around and I see about maybe I'll
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  Speaker 4: say like about maybe, I mean, uh, maybe be hard.
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  Speaker 4: So there was an officer calling me, okay, well I
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  Speaker 4: walked to him.
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  Speaker 1: I walked straight to him.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't I didn't argue, I didn't do nothing. I
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  Speaker 4: didn't TIMES went from hey, what's going on? He says,
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  Speaker 4: where are you going from? I said I'm coming from
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  Speaker 4: the the Burger king, and which wouldn't verify. They said
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  Speaker 4: they saw me walk in and he just started wrong
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  Speaker 4: and walked straight back out. Well, he had the extended.
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  Speaker 4: He said, well, you know you got the tickets that
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  Speaker 4: they desire. You know that I didn't mean to take
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  Speaker 4: care of but I haven't. So uh, by the time
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  Speaker 4: that happened, he brought another car. I've stood there for
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  Speaker 4: a while and they they took me and took me
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  Speaker 4: to a little sub station down the street, and I
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  Speaker 4: was there if they could call my clothes, but spin
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  Speaker 4: because then I s ticket quite taking my clothes. They said,
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  Speaker 4: don't worry about it, and they see your heads and
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  Speaker 4: they did a swap on my left and right hand
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  Speaker 4: or then I made the frond that was gun shop
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  Speaker 4: river and uh, they have to the Tensis for so
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  Speaker 4: then after that they took me downtown and at what's
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  Speaker 4: going on? I said, what do you mean? I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what you're talking about. I just I
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  Speaker 4: was got up person and uh, the next thing I know,
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  Speaker 4: I'm coming down to the perfect team. And so it happened.
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  Speaker 4: It's like if I want to grow a black guy.
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  Speaker 4: So they had been stand this one room by myself,
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  Speaker 4: and I never found out was a one man find
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  Speaker 4: them all right? When it came out to two individuals,
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  Speaker 4: whether both of them foot ups are even identifying me.
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  Speaker 4: I hear the person in the club next door. The
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  Speaker 4: other one said that I looked similar to the guy
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  Speaker 4: that he saw, and he's coming after like to gratified
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  Speaker 4: the shirt they said, Uh, they said, Frank, the chefs
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  Speaker 4: he had dart clothes on. The guy they had right
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  Speaker 4: there had a shirt on. So uh you know which
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  Speaker 4: which I did have, because they have it in eminence. Uh. Well,
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  Speaker 4: as I go on, and the fact that they tell
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  Speaker 4: me that I'm being charge for murder, which really blew
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  Speaker 4: my mind down. What do you mean murder? I didn't
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  Speaker 4: murder no more. I mean maybe I'm here tickets so
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  Speaker 4: you know, pushed up the sheets. They knocked me up
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  Speaker 4: with double stuff.
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  Speaker 5: I governed the count.
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  Speaker 4: Uh. I never got on the bar. I had been
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  Speaker 4: locked up, like they blocked up.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I hired an attorney.
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  Speaker 4: I pave a description more of what you know, because
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  Speaker 4: later on during my time, I came and what happened,
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  Speaker 4: what happened? What happened? And little bit of keep on
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  Speaker 4: coming to my mind, and I said, okay, so I
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  Speaker 4: go a little skitch somebody that was behind me. Of
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  Speaker 4: course I'm let a, I'm not an artist or anything
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  Speaker 4: like that, but I gave him there was somebody behind me,
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  Speaker 4: and uh, when this guy shot, he wants to shadow me.
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  Speaker 4: And I mustn't be because all my stuff, they said,
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  Speaker 4: all my stuff except my free kid was thrown on
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  Speaker 4: the floor and stone on the floor, which can be
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  Speaker 4: seen in the documentary because see all my stuff.
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  Speaker 1: On the floor.
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  Speaker 4: What the crazy part is is right be happening me far?
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  Speaker 4: And uh and then oh, healthcare senators in a bandoned apartments.
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  Speaker 4: They said, if they found my brief piece just right there,
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  Speaker 4: and you don't kid stick there with a gun, just
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  Speaker 4: talked like inches away from it, you know, like hey, hey,
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  Speaker 4: you're a get So they told that it was like
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  Speaker 4: brecase and the only thing they had toase was one.
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  Speaker 1: Pre set and it had Okay, so.
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  Speaker 3: I want to jump in real quick because you know,
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  Speaker 3: I want to be able to get some questions.
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  Speaker 2: And because I did look at part one and part
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  Speaker 2: two of.
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  Speaker 3: The documentary, I didn't get to the other rest of them.
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  Speaker 3: So in in the documentary, the second one that I
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  Speaker 3: was looking at, you said that they found your papers
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  Speaker 3: through all over the over the on the floor, on
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  Speaker 3: the office floor. So in the documentary they what I
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  Speaker 3: heard them say was that.
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  Speaker 2: Only how I believe it was, your lawyer said.
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  Speaker 3: Only how they made an I D got your name
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  Speaker 3: and information was because they found uh copy of your.
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  Speaker 2: ID your drivers.
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  Speaker 3: Like a copy of it, and they didn't you know
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  Speaker 3: that was that was laying on the floor. And then
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  Speaker 3: also they were saying the witnesses. I heard you say
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  Speaker 3: about the witnesses. The witnesses said they couldn't describe you.
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  Speaker 3: Some of them said you had on a they seen
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  Speaker 3: a man wearing a black shirt, and then other.
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  Speaker 2: Ones said they seen a man in a white shirt.
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  Speaker 2: How did your maybe I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Jumping ahead, how did your defensive turn and handle that?
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  Speaker 4: You know, well, that kind of crazy because during all,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we brought that. In fact, we even had
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  Speaker 4: the heavidence by my clothes brought into the into uh
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  Speaker 4: at an extippet and uh he thought, he said, y'all
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  Speaker 4: are pointed as somebody who had a dark post, because
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  Speaker 4: this is what there was. There was a guy by
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  Speaker 4: the name of Adolf Salazar. He said he was driving
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  Speaker 4: up to the bar. As soon as he was getting
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  Speaker 4: up his car, he'd seen a guy running out and
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  Speaker 4: behind him was mister Garcia's and deceased like trying to
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  Speaker 4: grab him and the guy can fine, he's cann turn
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  Speaker 4: like around the movie. Okay, so he said, uh uh,
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  Speaker 4: but the guy was wearing car closing right now there
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  Speaker 4: was another guy uh so mingo comminians. I think his
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  Speaker 4: saying was he was on the cor writer of the
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  Speaker 4: of the for the ballers that they have a telephone writer.
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  Speaker 4: He was on the phone. He said, did he see
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  Speaker 4: the guy who went past him going straight across the
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  Speaker 4: park and I going to the street that was wearing
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  Speaker 4: a white shirt. He didn't he looking in the guy's
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  Speaker 4: hands or nothing like that, but that he he didn't
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  Speaker 4: run for cleever road. So that gave two descriptions. But
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  Speaker 4: during so it's like if you're trying to say that
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  Speaker 4: I had a flat shirt or I had my white
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  Speaker 4: shirt on, when you know, basically didn't patch it and
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  Speaker 4: just put on the flat shirt and went back and
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  Speaker 4: put it on a white shirt. You were saying, so
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  Speaker 4: we could never figured that out, and my remy didn't
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  Speaker 4: put him a good defense against that, like an argument
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  Speaker 4: another word or being more passive than appressive. Y. You know,
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  Speaker 4: so that's something never really got.
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  Speaker 2: And then you know, also.
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  Speaker 3: I've seen where the prosecution said that you just you
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  Speaker 3: just gave yourself away that when you was running that
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  Speaker 3: you was yelling that I'm here, look at me, and
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  Speaker 3: you made some other stagments. So that made people bring
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  Speaker 3: focus directly on you. What you know, Yeah, that's in
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  Speaker 3: the documentary. That's in the documentary.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
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  Speaker 4: That's the first I ever heard of that. I never
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  Speaker 4: heard of it change you were youngters that you were
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  Speaker 4: running here, look at me, look at me. That'll that'll
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  Speaker 4: be yes.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's in your from the documentary. Cornell. Have
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  Speaker 3: a question for you, Okay.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, let's be okay, Okay, check this out, okay, based
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  Speaker 5: upon the record, Okay, the records hendy came that she
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  Speaker 5: was intoxicated, okay, and the police officer saying that she
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  Speaker 5: was sweating and you seem nervous when they came towards
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  Speaker 5: you or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: So here's my question. Okay, when you ran out of
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  Speaker 5: the office, okay, So you did not see anyone fire?
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  Speaker 5: Did you see anyone with a gun? Did you see
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  Speaker 5: anyone behind you with a gun or whatever? If you
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  Speaker 5: did not see that, my question to you is that
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  Speaker 5: when you ran out of the office and you ran
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  Speaker 5: and left the scene, okay, why did you leave the
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  Speaker 5: scene and never come back or why did you not
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  Speaker 5: call nine one one or something of something that happened,
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  Speaker 5: you know, because they're making the scene that because you
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  Speaker 5: were intoxicated, it under the influencers, and that you said
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  Speaker 5: that you was at the further team and that you
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  Speaker 5: walked in and walked out. They turned to make a
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  Speaker 5: scene that you were suspicious, okay of the crime, right
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  Speaker 5: because you left the part the fire scene and you
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  Speaker 5: didn't come back to try to clear your matters up.
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  Speaker 5: So you know, with that being said, now, you just
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  Speaker 5: said that they took you from the Burger team, put
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  Speaker 5: you in the car, took me to a sub station,
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  Speaker 5: and they did a parap.
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  Speaker 1: In test on your hand, and that it came.
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  Speaker 5: Back inclusive that there was gunpowder on your hands.
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  Speaker 1: Is that true?
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  Speaker 4: No, I'm not no sure, no sense to deal. They
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  Speaker 4: didn't into the substation, took the kid. But later on
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  Speaker 4: during trial we learned no touchout residue on my left
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  Speaker 4: the right hand. In fact, I had laws on the
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  Speaker 4: shirts off. I had a white piety shirt. There was nothing,
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  Speaker 4: no cuch eber to do stole. But what they do
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  Speaker 4: is they did kind of slick and they're kind of
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  Speaker 4: uh uh the POETICI and and told me. What they
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  Speaker 4: do is when they said during so such up residue
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  Speaker 4: found no utch porticles outed the subject just the right
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  Speaker 4: hand and they put a period. Then they go on
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  Speaker 4: and take a kidney German to say that the subject
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  Speaker 4: prior to weapon what the proximity of a weapon being
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  Speaker 4: discharged or handled a discharged weapon, which I mayor saw
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  Speaker 4: when I got to and I never seem to the
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  Speaker 4: report until I think it was about the salvage scatter
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  Speaker 4: or something like that. This is when I shurned around.
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  Speaker 4: I followed the lawsuit again, they're kind of FORENSICI but
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  Speaker 4: uh at all. Basically because I asked for for monetary damage.
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  Speaker 4: That really I wanted them to correct their their their
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  Speaker 4: their report, because if you're saying that there's no guns,
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  Speaker 4: got residue power found on your left the right hand
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  Speaker 4: on the judging, why do you even include that in
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  Speaker 4: the report? Something like that the prosecutors take and they
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  Speaker 4: twisted around, well that's okay, Uh, there's so you know,
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  Speaker 4: they said that they can't kill to be power of
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  Speaker 4: the weapons. I mean, I think nobody gets dead before
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  Speaker 4: which the detective said, I couldn't get dead or there's
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  Speaker 4: no good night. I said no, but that's the way
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  Speaker 4: it works. If such a cruise or science technology crews
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  Speaker 4: and there is no big work, no, no gun shot
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  Speaker 4: particles count on the subjects left or right hand. That
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  Speaker 4: that's a bro they're tying me of no gunshot residue,
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  Speaker 4: So there was no guntown residue bottom. Okay, okay, we
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  Speaker 4: okay to okay.
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  Speaker 5: Now we want to try to get everything we can,
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  Speaker 5: try to ask all the questions that we can. So
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  Speaker 5: watch this, okay. You said the suitcase was left then
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  Speaker 5: in the office building. Right now you saying if they
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  Speaker 5: found your suitcase down the street around the corner with
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  Speaker 5: a gun next to it and only a receipt inside
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: of the suitcase. So are you indicating that witnesses after
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: knowing that something had happened, because you just said that
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: mister witnesses said that, mister Garia say somebody else trying
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: to grab them by the sirtain. So are you indicating
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: that the suitcase come across the floor and ended up
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: down the street, down the corner around the corner after
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: mister guard Field was in an altercation with whoever his
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: killers was So is that a.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Question that needs to be addressed right there?
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: Is? How is that.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: Possible that your suitcase can end up waying down the
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: street with you know, somebody's cramming you?
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: Is that what? Yes?
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, look and everything.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: Why did I just stop for but the thing happened?
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: Like you're right, I was. I was kind of intoxicated,
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: Like I said, I'm not. I was a kidding alcoholic,
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: you know. I mean, I can function property when I'm
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: drinking and stuff. I don't. I'm not the type of well,
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: I wasn't the type of person who would just get
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: all super drunk. I mean I drank, I drank. I
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: know how to function, and especially when I'm doing business
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: with people. Well, when did happen? I had driven and
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: I guess was so high that it threw my mind
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: that and I left. I couldn't remember hearing the shot,
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: but I found a paper where I called my friend.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: I said, all who was buddying by? And I he said, man,
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: what happened? Look, I don't know. I was over here
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: looking for a merlond matic. Next thing, you know, I hear,
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: it's not I got scared that I ran, which is
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: body truth. I did run. I did get scared. Now,
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: how all my content, all my freecase all on the
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: floor is beyond my understanding because when I had it,
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: I had it, and I set it on top of
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: the table and I'm in my business card at that time.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: The benefits guard Shia was just like like broke. I
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: just threw my mind to shot up and tossed the table.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: So and I'm sallowing like back, I'm like going back
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: and and yeah there was somebody in this, but then
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: are the time, you know, it wasn't like in my
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: frame of mind and to see because you know what
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: I said, it would be so bad then I drop off.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: Now I couldn't come back or anything like that because
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: uh the street officers stop because he got me and
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: for me there, which was twenty five to thirty minutes
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: after the set. Okay, okay, now briefcasee no, the briefcage,
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: the bree fitsess found be hunt at the abandoned apartment
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: around some little fist in area. The girl was tall
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: okay side there and the and the briefcate was just
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: playing in the open, just in the open, like they're
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: like like, hey, hey see me. I did tell my
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: attorney that says, how does this flu? And my opened
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: on the floor and then all of a sudden, my briefcase.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: He just should have just, I said, somebody has to
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: put it to.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Because you don't remember our throwing it up once you
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: heard the shot, or once you got started whatever happened.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: You didn't throw your briefcase or or anything.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: No, man, I can't remember of that. And like I said,
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: everything happened so fast anything I know, I'm coming out
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: of us. I don't even remember getting on the bus,
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: they said, I thought on the bus. People said that
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: I got on the bus and take us about fifteen
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: to twenty minutes to get to the burger king and
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: and I've been third positioned bus, so their dad and
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: everything happens that right, I didn't even remember that. But
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: what you're saying, if I did that, okay, fod but
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: you get the brie pa. Like I said, when I
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: said they throwing down in the white shirt run he
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: went straight straight to COLTB suite. They can I see
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: the guy in the black shirt run passive, but turned
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: towards toward the apartment, to the path. And you.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Know what's kind of strange.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: When I looked at the documentary, and the prosecution was
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: saying that how you was bringing attention to yourself, allegedly
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: bringing attention to yourself, and they have it written down
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: on the paper and it was they was highlighting that
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: you were saying, look at me, I'm here, I'm here,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: you know, and ask how the witnesses said pointed you
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: out that you know, because you was bringing allegedly attention
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: to yourself. And I'm said to myself while looking at
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: the documentary, who does that if you're doing something? Are
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: you gonna did something? Are you going to bring attention
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: to yourself?
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Or are you going to just try to walk away
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: without nobody.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Noticing you and stuff? But in the documentary it just
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: says that you was running saying look at me.
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: Okay, okay, yeah, you said that you follow lost it
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: against Ballistic Division or the Bear County Medical Examiners Office
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: for the client, still right, But and you and you
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: challenge the issue regarding the ballistics in your case are
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: saying that the evidence in your case was tamped with
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: off the foual that the ballistic experts and the chief
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: letical examine then they fought testimony in favor of the
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: stake to help them secure your conviction. Right, Okay, do
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: you recall the name of the individual ballistic expert in
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: your case?
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: Well so just so what we get the residue test
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: was David Garcia and Himmothy Pallent, who was over David Garcia. Now,
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: David Garcia, of my tone. In my case, it wasn't
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: a damps chief. I mean he was, he was, he
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: wasn't working there at the time. But what got to
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: me is when we got the cabbage even had it
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: because they said I was time bar right. But when
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: I got these tablet I noticed that under my cage
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: it said that they died. Because I knew about this
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: because David Garcia had testified at my twelve. And I
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: was like, wait a minute, he never testified at my twelve.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: Had I had he give me a a an opinion
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: of the court. Had it said that at this point
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: of leave me? I was praised to challenge you that
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: because I have all my transcripts, I had the master
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: indents to show everybody who testified at my trout, and
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: David Garcia is not one of them. So I could
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: have fobably gotten.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Relieved on that, But I don't know how.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: So I don't know what happened there, because.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: Okay, what's the issue with mister Thorne just amendez, Okay,
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: why is he saying that he overheard you and mister uh,
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: mister mister speaking so missus tomorrow speaking to you as
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: the other guys telling y'all that he need a protection
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: and that you have access to God. Let's let's uh
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: canandous for a gun, okay, and that he said he
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: gave you a weapon. So now my question to you
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: is this, during the case of the trial, they introduced
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: reaping in court as being the murder weapon, okay, because
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: they say they did ballistics and they concluded it. Now,
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: yet Lester cananis give you a weapon? And if he
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: did in trial, would that have been the same weapon
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: that they introduced in court? If you can recall then
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: I'm God said, don't incriminate yourself if you should, you know,
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: think if that's what you might do. Don't answer no
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: questions that we ask you that can incuminate you. Right now,
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: we don't want you to do that. We just go
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: the truth. That's all we're fine to do.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: So you know, just no, that's a weapon you did.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: He never gave me a weapon. Whatsoever. And I'm not
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: afraid they answer no questions because I have nothing to hide.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: So there anything, I'm going to be truthfully offering. Let
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: they call you right fact, so we continue the conversation. Okay,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: a couple of minutes. Okay, Okay, let's call y'all back.
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: Okay, all right, the caller head hound up, the caller
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: head tund up.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: M hm. This is.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: If you guys would like to know the title of
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: the documentary that the mister legate is.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: You can go watch it. It's on YouTube.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: It's called Conviction the Let me get I want to
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: make sure I'm giving you the right information. It's called
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Conviction that the Bingo Killer, the Big Murderer. Let me
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: get that right. I do apologize. I'm in the process
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: of moving and I got themes all over the place.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: And yes, it's called Conviction the Bingo Killer, the Bingo
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: King Murderer. You can go and you can check it out.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: It's in six parts. Each part is like thirteen minutes
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: and you will see what the defense say and what
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: the prosecutor said. The prosecutor went in the second part
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: of the documentary just said it was in so many words,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: there was a slam duck case that you know, this
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: was the easiest case they had, you know, and they
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: just sit there.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: His defense team said that they didn't have.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: They believe he didn't have they didn't have enough evidence and.
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: He didn't have to the free call from hey, very
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: very give me one minute please an inmate at This
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: call is being recorded and it is subject to monitoring.
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: To accept this free call, thank you, forducing to cu Us.
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: You may start the conversation now, thank you.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: Okay, So now we're just waiting on mister uh, mister
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: Cornell to call. Yes, so was just ship hold on here,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: here we go. It's a little hotline going over here.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: We got him coming in.
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: Cornell an inmate at Connolly Unit. This call is being
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: recorded and it is subject to monitoring. To accept this
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: free calls to thank you for ucing. Okay, Curris, you
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: may start the conversation.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Now, okay, okay, now, yes, and we have mister Legate
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: is back with us.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, so okay, prekant questions, okay, list all right.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: Jesse Hernandez is basically a witness against you, Okay, in
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: the case, thank witness was witness qualified. Okay, he was,
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: I mean a case code defendant. Anyway, he was the
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: one who was going to qualify themmunity to testify, okay,
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: And they he made two statements, and you're questioning the
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: credibility of one statement that they said that was never taken.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: But you are questioning that.
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: My question now is this mister Fernando's is indicating that
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: you he overheard mister sam or will tell you and
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: some other guys that he needs protection, okay, And they
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: highlighted that end their statement. The state did as if
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: he was talking about, you know, he needs hibouty to
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: protect him from being killed. Anyway, Listen, Hernando's is saying
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: that he gave you a okay, And now here the
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: weapon being found next to your suitcase, and now they're
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: indicating that it's a murdered weapon, and now here it is.
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: This weapon is what's linking you to the crime along
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: with your suitcase.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Now, if you.
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: Saying that mister Ananda's never gave you a weapon, right.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Right, that's room okay.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: So if we never gave you a weapon right in
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: this case, did nobody see anybody pick your suitcase up
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: and take your suthcase down the street with a weapon
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: and drop it right there out of all I mean,
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: because we're talking about a quime scene and were talking
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: about we're talking about people that right here looking at
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: something that you know, dramatic, and you know people are
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: gonna be looking. So my question is that did nobody
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: see anybody take that suthcase along with that gun and
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: drop it off right there and you know, take off
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: running away from the crime scene. You see what I'm saying,
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: because right now it's taking it look like there's no
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: second person right and everybody's identifying you, even the Boston
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: identifying you as okay, so you see what important I'll
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: tell you, how do we cost Dick? What the safe
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: case is that somebody else put the suitcase? Then, because
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: you say the suitcase was in the office, Now, why
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: would you going MIT's office number one? I don't know
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: that's something there. But now the suitcase is on the floor.
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: But the suitcase end up way down the street next
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: to a girl they classify as the mother weapon and
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: mister Hernandos the send that he gave you a weapon.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: So how do we clean that up? What's the bookcase? Well? Well,
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: like I said earlier, I was looking for a miss Melinmatics, right,
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: she supposedly she told me she worked at that home
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: bill people who at the home healthcare center right there
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: on who in callahad or like I mentioned earlier, the
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: one I remembered from nineteen ninety six was the one
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: right next to my friend club. Okay, now when when
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: I can't hit it that anybody had seen anybody taking
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: the brief keys or or anything else and goal and planet,
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: I can't hit it because I don't know effectively it
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: is if you have police officers there and they can
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: grabbed this stuff and walk, Nobody's gonna questioned them.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Nobody's couldn't see anything about that.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: Now, Jesse Hernandez, I got all my paperwork, which is
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: called the prosecution guide to report that that was written
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: by to take the kidnall Bright. He wrote out everything
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: that transpired. That gun was actually trained to five different
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: people until they hit Jesse Hernandi or John Hernanda's actually, uh,
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: he was under the name of Jesse Hernandez.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Which is a false name. Okay, it's his mother's name.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: He even testified before the grand jury under a false name,
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: which the state knew about, but they never corrected. Okay,
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: So during twelvel he said he gave me a gun, right,
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: And I asked my attorney ask him if anybody saw
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: him give me a gun, and he said no. Well,
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: when I thought my transcripts, dat portions was edited well
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: removed by my transcripts. I even went on a bed
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: board back. So if you haven't ever adventure hearing regarding
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: that testimony like what happened to him? So what happened
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: is the car reporter says, well, she don't know. She
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: did have a tape recorder there just for instances like
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: that if she missed something, well we asked for that.
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: If they dismissed it, so without any prove I cannot prove,
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: and that question was asked, So if they did, And
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: I've been trying to get some footage from ABC, NBC,
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: TB in all these different television stations were at my crowd,
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: but I can't ever get it.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I don't have to help.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: Anymore, like somebody to help me actually get me, So
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: I do things on my own. Oh and these reports,
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: he said, Jessie her Nanda tell Detective all Right well
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: Ia to change the gate because he was looking for
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: a car a week before the murder. Further down down
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: the line, he said I didn't the gate a gun
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: a month before the murder because he got into a
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: contract with Federal Tomota to protect him. Right, Okay, so
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: now we're looking at this discrepancy there. So then later
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: on the executive said, we asked us if we asked
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: for Naner if we take a test, a polygraph test,
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: and he refused every time. So he wasn't being cooperative, right,
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: he wanted to be cooperative. To what they did is
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: he kind of hold of miss barlows Us just the prosecutor,
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: and they said, we want you to subpete on him
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: to the Grand Tourer.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: So when they supeted him to the Grand.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: Cur they had they gave him immunity to test the time.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Now I also learned which is it's part of the documentary.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: I believe I've never seen the docum every but I
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: got to the vin from Meryl who who produced the
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: document that told me everything. She said that she found
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: out that that I think it was in November of
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: nineteen ninety eight, Jesse r. Nineis was charged and it
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: died it for cocaine. That same charge was dropped for
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: his testimony, so to me, he gave they said he
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: also gave that safe name because he was on probation
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: in Godala County. Now, okay, I'm like, well trou so
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: he had enough reasons toly why I I really don't know.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: I just all that I was looking for Meriton manage.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: So he testified against you.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: When he testified against you, the charges from his other case,
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: they dropped that in order to get him to testify
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: on every hand.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: Right right. But they did find out that that cage
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: that ten K, the same case somewhere that I have
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: which I've been trying to get a copy of and
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: I can't is killed on his brother's record because he
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: was using his brother's name at the time. During twelve
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: he actually gave it real namy. I don't know if
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: he did it at the Dentley or or he made
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: a mistake because he thinks that what is your name?
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: Because one not on your herd dansage. But the prosecutor
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: right away it was you put by Chesse also go
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: by Chessea goes yes, And they asked him did he
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: did they ever give you any deal whatsoever? He said, pull,
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: you know, but if you got that CHECKI hernanzis he
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: got a cocaine charge under his brother's name, who is
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: over there close to Illinois, Chicago, somewhere out that way,
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: and he's never put down here, so he don't know
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: nothing about the case or anything like that. So that
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: shows at the discrepancy there also about that that case
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: in existence. So there's a lot of boss.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: Okay, you're here today because I picked you, I handkicked you,
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: because I've been following your case. Okay, And the reason
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: I've been following your case is because of the interesting
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: dynamics to your case number one. The bingo teams who
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: was connected at to like congress Member Mr Boostermontag and
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: noting Edge who says that his client is the one
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: who told him that he had information that somebody else
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: was put was said to put a hit out on
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: mister Garfield. Okay, so all that information that came out,
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: but mister Delaney said that he did not believe mister
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: Rodriguez's theory about somebody else putting the hit out on
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: mister Garfield. So my point to you is this, you
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: know I am been here today and still to tell
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: you straight up that I will be one to go
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: and re looking for your case number one. So you're
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: not work, You're ready for that much because you have
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: been handticked now on the shelternight that you're trying to
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: get the tooth now true enough, you have been You
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: was intoxicated at the time of the commission of the office.
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: So it's a lot of things that you don't remember
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: that took place. But it's a lot of things that's
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: incriminating to you. You know in your case, that's making
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: it look like you committed decline because you got witnesses
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: who are saying things that put you out.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: He had a ponytail, that's mister, mister, mister.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: You know, so everybody putting you out, they're not fourteen
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: of second individual out as there's somebody who took the
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: truthcase down the street put a gun. You know that
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: they're not doing that. So now the issue right now
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: is that how do you convince the audience that you
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: are actually inner and this is what we're here for.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: Okay the tooth. Okay, now, now you can I pulled
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: out of the evidence. There's a lot of evidence that
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: they trying to use to get when it came out
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: and everything the gunshot, resident can, the blood art, can
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: the nation right paper bridge, there's nothing there was no
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: fingerprints on the bullet, no fingerprints on the gun. Nothing.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: Now the the I s on the tape was when
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: jessere and that his heady overheard Pedro Simora is telling
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: me I needed to take care of the Tabogabo even
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: though the devinsic Garcia was no attorney did they argued
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: at that school they were talking about again. There was
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: two other guys that Robert Bunters and the Gilbert Coyers
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: that were supposed to be at the so called meeting,
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: but the state never called the sithify the only thefto
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: the night mount on Robert Wilkins, but still they never
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: got a potifi. Now Fred crow And came out that
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: Pedro Simura was quill in Mexico and something like that.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: But I know that he was cute. So now a
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: less se jurors and the court only evidence said when
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: he couldn't we couldn't. We could at the Feda Sima,
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: I couldn't pretty amned to get his testimony. We couldn't
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: do nothing. No dis was placed on him on something,
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: so he was he had while he was dead.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: The using jesse Rnandis's.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: Uh testimony or I overheard about heard I overheard him.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: So that is the honesty on the chase that I
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: believe was very material to my conviction. Well, twenty years later,
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: when they came out with a documentary, when beholds Romero
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: and her team signed mister Simona alive and a picture
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: of him as his son and his wife wouldn't be
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: right now, I got to figure how it cooks. Right now,
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: twenty years later, he's alive, but remember he was supposed
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: to be dead. Now when they shared this information with
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: the prosecutors of my cake, Janyamascus Gardner and federal prosecutor
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: uh Joey Contreda, now their whole there changed all. It's
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: more than likely that did uh uh a federal Simota
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: was what would would likely ever made any criminal charges
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: because there is no independent cooperation to bring a case
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: to get it. In other words, they're saying there's something
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: to bring a case to gettison now that he found alive.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: But when he was dead, oh he could be. He
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: hadn't submitted murder. He hadn't submitted murdered. His guy said
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: he heard him. There is an all single different in
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: the cage light here.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Why why did get him the comeback to court? Why
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: don't say getting the comeback.
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: Well, I don't know, but after I filed out more
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: than that's where he left, where he lived. I don't
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: know how to write Spanish, but I wrote a letter
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: in English and I had somebody like copy in Spanish.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: And I don't even know if he went to invite
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: actress or not, but I wrote the letters and tell him, look,
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: you were accused of hiring me to do it here
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: you were accused. I mean you were said to be dead.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: But now they found a line, which you know because
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: he did enough. He did an interview off camera with
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: the with the music media down there anyway, he uh,
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: I said, look, I don't know what's going on on
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: the YouTube, but you need to talk to your lord.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: You got a loader does to talk to him if
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: you want brit clumps in the nutcut and if you
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: can't fet in effidavit about what's going on, because even
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: he told him that he went, he goes man.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know nothing about the taste.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: He was card.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: He was my friend.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: In fact, I was at his funeral. So if somebody
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: had this man Keel Piggy sent voter his shoogle. So anyway,
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: so I did that, and I even said a copy
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: of that letter. He is Romero, so she could see
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: what I was doing because I told her, look, if
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: anything comes to life, I'm going to give you the
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: story because you set out for me and you're doing it.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: So everything I did I said for her. When I
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: tried to get the you know, the rest third minutes
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: against just your nanadus. I can't a copy of the
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: emotion that I fought. Of course he denied everything, but
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: the fact of the matter is, and now that or
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: the border is alive, I'm still I'm still here twenty years, say,
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: twenty six years later. They don't want to give me
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: an effidant you're hearing, don't want to take me back,
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: and I can't be nobody to help me. I don't
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: know why, so I can't. I just got I just
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: led up.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Excuse me.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: We are done the same thing.
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: Your case is identicalte to a lot of cases out
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: of Bear County, mister mcgaton. And with that being said,
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: I'm saying this, the correction of Bear County is at
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: an all time high. Okay, So it's not gonna be
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: hard about this case opened up again. So you know,
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: just know that that's what we're doing because I find
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: a lost through.
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: To against them.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Two.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Right now, My point now to you is this, Okay, Uh,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: mister Delaney is.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: Saying that mister Roberts, mister Rodriguez is indicating that someone
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: else has came to him to put a hit. Hoigh on,
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: mister guard for you. Okay, So what right type of
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: barroyas did you have in this case? Well your your
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: thrown up pointed it?
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: Or were they had attornament? Well, William I hired William,
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: that hired My family hired him. He was fresh out
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: of law school. I figured, you know what, I'd rather
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: have somebody who fresh out of laws because he's don't
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: want to make a diame ourselves and he wanted to
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: getting the assistance of a Jesus attorney by the name
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: of Bill Berchaman, who was tut the chief. Now, Charlos
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: Rodrigez did come. He was a surprise surprise witness, right.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: He came in and he said he had knowledge of
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: the uh of the incident. Right, Well, he removed the
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: turps and would get it in camera review of Charlos Rodriguez. Well,
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: my coincidence the super prosecutor prosecuting my cake with the seat.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: Just have to have somebody that was at the point
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: into another throut that he said that was set to
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: find out another. So that you about Rodrigus right. Well,
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: at the time, mister Rodrigus didn't want to give up
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: no day because he was afraid for his life. But
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: the judge said, well, it doesn't matter. You see these
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: cameras over there, they're gonna see you do it anyway.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: So this is when, uh, it was payble to Richard
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: Burt Richton, who at this time is now I believe
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: on the court the technical criminal Bautis of the justice.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: But when he came into testify, he said, look, I
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: went in there, I was sitting there and I'm listening
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: to mister Rodriguez. Mister Naga was going on and on
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: about gas, about trying to get a deal and making money.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: He goes to me with his five minutes, I considered
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: him a cook. So he didn't believe it. So my
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: attorneys answer was dissolved because he said he was trying
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: to educate Albert Bustamonte, which was the Es congressman who
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: the deceived mister Farcia. He writes, Albert Bustamanti supposed to
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: be bribed him to try to get a contract at
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: the at the at the Lackman Air Force Base. I
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: think it was. And because he's look in his congressmanship
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: and his wife could have went to prison also, he
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: would head into the deal a three years to center.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: He said he met him in the halfway house. Richard
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: Richard said, would say, well, wait a minute, committed my
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: attorney's dead. Well did you could investigate the case? And
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: he said no, He goes, I was just invited to
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: kidd and you gotta talk to Jack Stick, which is
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: Jonathan uh d Stick. Uh, that Jack Stick, And I've
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: been trying.
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: To find trying to find him.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: He did become a take representative one time and now
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: he's uh, he's a private offer call uh show. In fact,
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: I just wrote him a letter trying to ask him
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: beause I just want the truth. You know, do you
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: have paperwork if you remember this? Were you an assistant
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: Federal box computer because the time at this time and
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: we haven't got that a response back to him, But
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: this is how that all came to play.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: I need to I'm gonna need to jump in real
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: quick because we're eight minutes before our hour is up.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna have to invite you back on the
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: eighth of August because you were scheduled to.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Come on the eighth originally, but I would like for
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: you to come back so we can finish this conversation up,
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: and I know my co hosts have some more questions
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: and I get to go and finish watching the documentary
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: and the audience we'll be able to go watch the
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: documentary and then we can open it up on the
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: eighth if they want to call in and ask you questions.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: Would you be willing to answer any of the audience questions?
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: Of course, that would any question they asked. I have
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: nothing to hide, like I said, don't like that is
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: to choose again, and that's all I'm gonna do. I
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: don't have nothing to hide. I'm going to answer anybody's questions.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm gonna give you two minutes to close,
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: and then I'm gonna go over to my co host
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: and I'm gonna give him two minutes, and then we're
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: gonna close it out and we're gonna meet right back
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: here on August eighth.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: So go ahead with your two minutes, mister Legay.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: Okay, one thing I like to I like to address it,
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: call learning matter to what she works. He was always
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: argument no that she don't work there, She don't work there.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: You're you, you went there, get to do the hits?
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: You want to do the hits. Well, it came out
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: later on that she did work okay, But the fact
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: that they failed to realize how did I know? How
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: did I know where she worked? I just picked it
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: out of the blues. How did I even know Meridon
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: matters even existed when I wasn't eleven? Because we're talking
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: to me or she said he didn't do it? Just
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: take no investigator. But I understand that later on we
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: can get to this question, to the the answer to
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: this question. But I want mister Gillett to think about
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: that too. Just with it said I didn't do it.
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: But two thousand and two she died and they had
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: the case. Well, every day that she told her would
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: have it would have perfect rather than healthy. So the
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: point is, well, why hide it? Why did they hide
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: the switches for me? Why did they hide it from everybody?
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: And I still can't get that answer, and I've just
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: put it out there right now. So maybe later on
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: food for thought, people might want to generate questions or
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: re evaluate this.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I had a question.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: I had a question about that. But I'm a whole
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: minds until the eighth co host Cornell.
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: Well, Yes, sir, Yes, sir, Yes, sir, Thank you, ma'am.
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: Mister mcgage, you have a very complicated situation you're dealing
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: bit okay, and here in the fact that there's a
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: lot of inconsistencies in your case and a lot of
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: evidence that tended to connect to you but tending to
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: implicate other people in your case. The issue right here
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: is that when we have to try to do, mister mcgay,
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: to try to figure out what is the new and
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: the hate stack of this case on how to get
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: you a review to kitch you and evidentiary hearing to
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: find some type of eviness to prove that the ballistics
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: is no good. The thing a prison's never done. You
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Something in your fish that has
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: to open the key open your case, and we want
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: to find that out, sir.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: That's why we're here.
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: And I'm not gonna stop with your case until we
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: do that. Missus Sennett is not gonna stop with your
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: k and you do that, Missus Angela is not gonna
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: stop with Jr. Case you do that, our hands kicked
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: you for a reason. Okay, just know that, thank you,
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: and we're gonna do this. So all we can ask
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: for you to do is to be patient with us.
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: And you know, like she said, you'll be back on
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: the eighth, and I pray to be here, you know,
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: to be.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Able to ask the questions.
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: And no matter where I go, you will continue to
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: know where I'm at because they will make sure that
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: you know exactly where I'm at. And I will continue
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: to keep in touch with you.
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: Is that okay? With you?
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you so much, all right,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: so much.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: I do appreciate all your Oh I do appreciate you.
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: I would like to say thank you to mister Legate
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: for coming on and sharing your story.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: I would like to say thank you to my co
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: host for now one you guys, soon is going to
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: see my co host next to me.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: We're gonna be standing on somebody capital, as he said,
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: like he can telling me, we're gonna be standing on
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: somebody's capital, so soon he could be tomorrow, he can
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: be standing next to me.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: I am so excited that I will finally get to
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: meet him a person.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: Thank you guys once again for tuning in to let's
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: talk about it.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Tune in on.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: August eighth, when we will continuously talk to mister Legate
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: about his conviction.
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: Hey, thank you.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Were an election here, we are an election.
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: Yere.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: You guys get out there and vote. Please do not
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: say that you're not gonna vote, because if you don't,
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: that voat goes to the other person. Don't do that,
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: don't do our Let's let's get out there and make
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: a difference. Let's get out there and.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Use our voice.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: And even though our if our voices is shaky. You
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: know it's hot out here in California. So if you
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: in California, if you in Vegas, wherever you at watching,
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: don't forget to drink your water, stay hydrated, stay in.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Your own lane. If you're not going to use your
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: voice to speak against an injustice or anything.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: Else, it don't have to be in justice, but if
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: you're not going to speak up, then stay in your
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: own lane.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: I love you, and have a good night. You're welcome,
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: mister Legate. All things that they used to be