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Sharri | 5 March · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Shari.
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Speaker 3: Good evening, five thousand bombs dropped on Tehran as the
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Speaker 3: United States sinks an Iranian warship in international waters.
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Speaker 4: Will bring you.
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Speaker 3: Tonight's breaking news from Operation Epic Fury. I've also got
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Speaker 3: an exclusive interview with a former Mossad counterintelligence boss. He'll
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Speaker 3: explain how Israel has been embedded in Iran for years
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Speaker 3: waiting for this war. President Donald Trump and Ben Shapiro
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Speaker 3: hit back at Megan Kelly for blaming high profile Jews
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Speaker 3: from America going to war. I'm joined by Trump's former
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Speaker 3: chief of Staff, Mick Mulvaney, and I expose in Islamic
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Speaker 3: group that mourned the death of terror leaders Ayatollah Khamenei
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Speaker 3: and hesbla's Hassan Nasralla, plus its links to a Liberal
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Speaker 3: MP and her husband. That exclusive in a moment, and
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Speaker 3: Carl Sandalan's calls in the lawyers as he demands an
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Speaker 3: eighty eight.
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Speaker 4: Million dollar payout.
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Speaker 3: We'll get the latest on this saga, but first to
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Speaker 3: the breaking news in the Iran War. It's just gone
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Speaker 3: eleven am local time and there are major developments in
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Speaker 3: Operation Epic Fury. Codes have are preparing to launch an
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Speaker 3: invasion in Iran from Iraq. America has sunk an Iranian
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Speaker 3: ship in international waters. Iran has continued to attack Gulf countries,
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Speaker 3: firing a missile at Turkey. Israel has destroyed a secret
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Speaker 3: underground nuclear facility. The United States has killed the leader
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Speaker 3: of an Iranian unit that tried to assassinate Trump. And
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Speaker 3: here's how the President has rated the operation.
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Speaker 5: So far.
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Speaker 6: We're doing very well on the warfront. To put it mildly,
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Speaker 6: I we say, somebody said, on a scale of ten wars,
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Speaker 6: where what you're ready? I said about a fifteen.
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Speaker 3: So an American submarine hit an Iranian warship in the
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Speaker 3: Indian Ocean near Sri Lanka. In total, seventeen perhaps that's
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Speaker 3: moorn now, seventeen Iranian vessels have been destroyed, and US
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Speaker 3: Secretary of War Pete Hegseth said America's goal was to
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Speaker 3: sink the entire Iranian navy.
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Speaker 7: The first sinking of an enemy ship by a torpedo
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Speaker 7: since World War II. Like in that war, back when
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Speaker 7: we were still in the war department, we are fighting
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Speaker 7: to win.
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Speaker 3: The ship was in international waters, and the Iranians would
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Speaker 3: have presumed it was in safe territory. The ship sent
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Speaker 3: a distress signal at dawn, which Sri Lanka responded to
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Speaker 3: and they rescued about eighty of the one hundred and
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Speaker 3: eighty crew. When the rescue mission arrived, there was no
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Speaker 3: sign of the Iranian war ship. It had already sunk.
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Speaker 3: Now this shows how the war is expanding geographically beyond
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Speaker 3: the Middle East. Iran also fired a missile at Turkey
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Speaker 3: in a first but it was shot down. So this
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Speaker 3: now takes it to ten Muslim nations that Iran has
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Speaker 3: targeted with missile and drone attacks. It includes Saudi Arabia,
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Speaker 3: United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, Iraq, Oman, Syria and Jordan,
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Speaker 3: and I mentioned already Turkey, and some of these powerful
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Speaker 3: Middle East allies have now come out to criticize the
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Speaker 3: weak British Prime Minister Kiirs Starmer. Starmer's refusal to allow
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Speaker 3: the Americans.
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Speaker 4: And Israelis to use British.
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Speaker 3: Bases during the war led to this quip from President Trump.
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Speaker 6: It would have been much more convenient landing there as
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Speaker 6: opposed to flying many extra hours. So we are very
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Speaker 6: surprised this is not Winston Churchill that we're.
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Speaker 5: Dealing with.
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Speaker 3: And now Bahrain, the UAE and Cyprus are calling out Starma,
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Speaker 3: as The Times reports, but the United States and Israel
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Speaker 3: are doing just fine without their old ally Britain. And
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Speaker 3: Hegseth said that within a week, he predicts America and
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Speaker 3: Israel will have total control over the Iranian skies.
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Speaker 7: We will fly all day, all night, day and night, finding,
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Speaker 7: fixing and finishing the missiles and defense industrial base of
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Speaker 7: the Iranian military, finding and fixing their leaders and their
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Speaker 7: military leaders. Iranian leaders looking up and seeing only US
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Speaker 7: and Israeli air power every minute of every day until
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Speaker 7: we decide it's over.
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Speaker 3: And in Israeli F thirty five jet shot down an
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Speaker 3: Iranian jet. It's the first time in forty years that
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Speaker 3: Israel has engaged in air to air combat.
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Speaker 4: And on this note, there are about.
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Speaker 3: Thirty female aircrew, including pilots and navigators, who are going
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Speaker 3: into battle for the IDF in the skies over Iran,
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Speaker 3: and it paints a huge contrast. Iranian women are not
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Speaker 3: allowed to leave the house without avail covering. They're subject
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Speaker 3: to cruel punishment by Iran's morality police. But in Israel,
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Speaker 3: the women are fighting defending their country in the very
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Speaker 3: same tough jobs that men do. While America and Israel
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Speaker 3: are fighting from Afar from the air, thousands of Kurdish
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Speaker 3: forces based in Iran are reportedly preparing to launch a
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Speaker 3: ground offensive into Iran. The CIA is backing them, according
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Speaker 3: to Reuters and The New York Times, but precisely what
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Speaker 3: support is being provided, whether it's arms or funding, we
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Speaker 3: don't know, and the White House Press Secretary Carolyn Leavitt
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Speaker 3: has said that reports that Trump was supporting the Kurds
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Speaker 3: were totally false.
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Speaker 8: He did speak to Kurdish leaders with respect to our
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Speaker 8: beast that we have in northern Iraq. But as for
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Speaker 8: any report suggesting that the President has agreed to any
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Speaker 8: such plan is completely false and should not be written.
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Speaker 3: And the question of succession for the Iranian regime is
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Speaker 3: still incredibly important, both for Iranians and for global security.
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Speaker 3: New South Wales Liberal MP Tina Ayad and her husband,
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Speaker 3: Liverpool Mayor ned Manoon, have previously attended events held by
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Speaker 3: an Islamic group that mourned the death of terror leaders
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Speaker 3: Ayatola Kamene and Hesbela's Hassan Nasrallah. The local Shiite group
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Speaker 3: holding the morning sessions is the bizarrely named Australian Peace
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Speaker 3: Association and you can see here their social media post
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Speaker 3: for the and I quote martyrdom of Ali Khamene. This
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Speaker 3: was held at a Liverpool council owned venue, the Frank
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Speaker 3: Oliveri Community Center. Now, at first, as you may recall,
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Speaker 3: ned Manoon wouldn't condemn they're worshiping of a terror group
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Speaker 3: leader all the fact that council property.
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Speaker 4: Was used for this purpose.
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Speaker 3: The Liverpool mayor said, how could he have known they
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Speaker 3: were going to use his council hall for that purpose?
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Speaker 2: To go and more on the death of the Ayatola.
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Speaker 5: Do it at the mosque?
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Speaker 2: They don't do it in a community building?
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Speaker 5: Yes or no?
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Speaker 2: Once again, how do we know what they're doing in
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Speaker 2: community buildings? How do I get them to show out
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Speaker 2: of form saying what are you going to do there?
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Speaker 5: That's a copy out?
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Speaker 2: Ned come, how do you know what we do?
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Speaker 5: You've got a responsibility to know what they're doing.
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Speaker 3: Well, he could have known because the same group also
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Speaker 3: held a morning service for another terrorist leader, Hesbela's Hassan Nasralla.
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Speaker 3: When the terror leader Nozrella was killed, this group had
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Speaker 3: three nights of mourning at the Liverpool Council Venue.
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Speaker 4: And here's a video of prayers for Nasralla.
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Speaker 3: And when you watch it you can see two photographs
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Speaker 3: of the dead terror leader on the table.
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Speaker 5: I loveah l ilahe La.
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Speaker 3: But if ned Manoon missed all of this, he surely
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Speaker 3: would have known about the Peace Association hosting a firebrand
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Speaker 3: pro HESBLA speaker because it was reported in the media.
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Speaker 3: The Australian reported in July twenty twenty five that a
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Speaker 3: Muslim speaker who has glorified former HESBLA leader Hassan Nasraala
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Speaker 3: and a former Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Call leader has
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Speaker 3: been on a speaking tour of Australia.
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Speaker 4: For more than a week.
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Speaker 3: And here's the Australian Peace Association promoting this on their
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Speaker 3: Instagram page. But perhaps ned Manoon missed all of this
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Speaker 3: as well well. On at least three occasions, this group,
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Speaker 3: the Peace Association, has supported dead terrorist fighters or speakers.
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Speaker 4: Promoting a terror group. Now Ned Manoon, who's the mayor.
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Speaker 3: He's married to the New South Wales Liberal MP, Tina
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Speaker 3: Ayad and they joined this group, the Peace Association, on
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Speaker 3: a cruise in twenty twenty three. You can see them
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Speaker 3: here and Tina is wearing the pink shirt. So that's
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Speaker 3: a cruise held by the very same association that would
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Speaker 3: later mourn the death of Ayetola Hamani and Hassan Nasralla.
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Speaker 3: So it's looking more ludicrous that ned Manoon this week
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Speaker 3: attacked New South Wales Premier Chris Mins, claiming that the
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Speaker 3: premier was harming social cohesion. Well, Chris Mins hit back
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Speaker 3: at those accusations today.
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Speaker 9: At one mayor in particular was suggesting that this was
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Speaker 9: an attack on Muslims to point out what was absolutely
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Speaker 9: abundantly clear, and that is that he was evil and
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Speaker 9: his legacy is evil, and we should be able to
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Speaker 9: say that in multicultural Australia without being accused of trying
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Speaker 9: to sow disharmony. That is not that is not what
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Speaker 9: multiculturalism means. In twenty twenty six in Australia, the.
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Speaker 3: Premier also dug in. He reinforced the point that the
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Speaker 3: slain Ayatola Khamene is not someone who should be worshiped,
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Speaker 3: and he clearly explained the cruel and inhumane atrocities that
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Speaker 3: the Iranian regime has committed.
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Speaker 9: I've been under attack for the last three days for
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Speaker 9: calling him out four being evil as some kind of
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Speaker 9: an attack on multiculturalism or an assault on the Muslim
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Speaker 9: community for saying what is blindingly obvious to millions of
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Speaker 9: people around the world. He's responsible for killing thirty thousand
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Speaker 9: of his own people in the last couple of weeks.
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Speaker 9: I mean, he's a situation where his regime murdered twelve
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Speaker 9: year old boys for the crime, the supposed crime of
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Speaker 9: being gay. He's currently the regime's currently bombing Muslim countries.
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Speaker 9: I mean, the biggest the biggest victims of the Ayatola's
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Speaker 9: regime were other Muslims.
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Speaker 3: Don't you wish he was the Prime minister instead of
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Speaker 3: Alban Easy incredible clarity, common sense, strength and empathy from
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Speaker 3: the premier. And while the Arab golf nations are backing
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Speaker 3: America and Israel, as far as I'm aware, not one
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Speaker 3: as Australian Islamic leader has publicly supported Chris Mintz. Instead,
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Speaker 3: the annual Iftar dinner has been counseled because the relationship
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Speaker 3: has soured with the Muslim community. And this is a
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Speaker 3: pity because the premier is only calling out a terror
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Speaker 3: leader as millions of Iranians are too so Mins deserves
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Speaker 3: a widespread support. Now, meanwhile, I did put a series
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Speaker 3: of tough questions about all of this to ned Manoon
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Speaker 3: today and he said this, I have previously attended Australian
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Speaker 3: Peace Association events, firstly when they hide out a public
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Speaker 3: school in Cecil Hills from the New Southelands government and
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Speaker 3: at a council hall.
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Speaker 4: I am not a member of.
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Speaker 3: The Australian Peace Association and am not aware of the
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Speaker 3: events they hold, including an event for Hassan Nasralla, and
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Speaker 3: this is the first I've been made aware of it.
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Speaker 4: He said.
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Speaker 3: Any activity regarding a registered terror organization is illegal and
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Speaker 3: I strongly and unequivocally condemn it. Any breaches of federal
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Speaker 3: laws should be investigated and enforced by the relevant authorities.
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Speaker 3: I think we need to hear an apology from Ned
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Speaker 3: Manoon to Chris Mintz and in assurance that the Liverpool
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Speaker 3: Mayor won't be allowing council owned property to be used
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Speaker 3: by a group mourning dead terror leaders ever again. Now,
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Speaker 3: I also discovered today that this peace association that has
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Speaker 3: mourned HESBLA fighters and Ayatola Ali Kremenet has also received
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Speaker 3: some funding from the Albanesi government. In fact, from Tony
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Speaker 3: Burke's Department of Home Affairs, it was awarded about sixty
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Speaker 3: two thousand dollars for social cohesion and this was to
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Speaker 3: and I quote, strengthen the cohesion and prosperity of Australia's
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Speaker 3: successful multicultural society by supporting more young Australians to acquire
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Speaker 3: a second language. Presumably the second language is English, and
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Speaker 3: this is worthwhile, but you'd want to be sure this
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Speaker 3: is how the money is being spent.
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Speaker 10: Now.
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Speaker 4: I spoke last night about Meghan.
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Speaker 3: Kelly's increasingly anti Semitic views, and now President Donald Trump
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Speaker 3: has weighed in. In an interview with The Inner Circle,
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Speaker 3: Trump said, and I quote, I think that Maga is Trump.
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Speaker 3: Maga's not the other two, he said, referring to Kelly
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Speaker 3: and Tucker Carson. And then he said this specifically of
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Speaker 3: Megan Kelly. He said, she was critical of me for
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Speaker 3: years and I didn't lose. I won all three times
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Speaker 3: by a lot. Now has even unleashed again on Fox
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Speaker 3: News for daring to support this current war against the
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Speaker 3: terror regime of Iran. She described its coverage as insufferable.
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Speaker 11: Fox News is insufferable right now, insufferable.
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Speaker 3: Meghan Kelly is running the old anti Semitic trope that
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Speaker 3: Jews control everything, and she's blaming high profile Jews for
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Speaker 3: controlling President Trump a plague. Those comments last night, well,
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Speaker 3: one of those media commentators that she blamed, Ben Shapiro,
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Speaker 3: called her out on this Today.
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Speaker 12: Bush Wright is busy spreading to fetus nonsense while simultaneously
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Speaker 12: trying to avoid seeing President Trump's name like kis Voldemort.
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Speaker 12: Meghan Kelly has also jumped on this bandwagon, apparently for
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Speaker 12: the clicks and giggles of it. This is such a coward,
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Speaker 12: She's such an unbelievable carrier. You don't like President Trump,
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Speaker 12: you don't like what he's saying, Just say his name,
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Speaker 12: you coward. You won't, You won't, coward.
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Speaker 3: I couldn't have said it better myself. But this spray
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Speaker 3: from Meghan Kelly came after she defended an anti Semitic
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Speaker 3: Holocaust denier.
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Speaker 4: She described him as.
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Speaker 3: Smart and interesting with good points about America. This guy,
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Speaker 3: Nick Fonts, has praised Hitler as being awesome and cool
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Speaker 3: and right. Meghan Kelly has also defended Candace Owens, another
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Speaker 3: prolific anti Semite, and while Tucker Carlson and Meghan Kelly
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Speaker 3: have already lost their journalistic credibility. I'm sure, as the
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Speaker 3: President predicts, she will come crawling back to his side
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Speaker 3: once America and Israel stand.
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Speaker 4: Victorious over Iran.
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Speaker 3: Well, throughout the last few years, Mossad, Israel's national intelligence agency,
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Speaker 3: carefully gained valuable information in Iran which is now being
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Speaker 3: used to methodically bring down the tyrannical regime. And I'm
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Speaker 3: pleased to say now that joining me to discuss this
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Speaker 3: is the former head of Mossads Counter Terror Division or
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Speaker 3: Dad Ilian or or dead. Apologies or dead. Thank you
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Speaker 3: very much for joining me now. This is incredible some
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Speaker 3: of the information that we are starting to learn that
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Speaker 3: Israel had been able to hack into Iran's traffic cameras
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Speaker 3: and traffic systems, had monitored the movements of Ayatola Ali Kamena,
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Speaker 3: and that this is part of how they knew where
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Speaker 3: he was in order to strike him in that very
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Speaker 3: first hour of the war, in that surprise attack.
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Speaker 4: Can you tell us some.
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Speaker 3: More detail about these incredible developments that are now in
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Speaker 3: the public domain.
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Speaker 13: Thank you for having me, and I admire your moral
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Speaker 13: stand on the issue is like a torch that is
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Speaker 13: lightning the darkness. Regarding that, I must say something about
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Speaker 13: the modern theater and the modern.
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Speaker 5: Warfare that we are facing.
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Speaker 13: The most powerful tour in this modern warfare is not
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Speaker 13: necessarily the missile, but sometimes the code and the people
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Speaker 13: on the ground. What we have been seeing in Iran,
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Speaker 13: it wasn't just a lucky brick or a glitch or
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Speaker 13: some sort of thing on that scale, but accumulation of
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Speaker 13: multi year, multi work and multi layered intelligent cycle that
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Speaker 13: had been gathered for years. So those forty seconds of strikes.
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Speaker 5: The end of a marathon.
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Speaker 13: Now, the most challenging thing was in you're talking about
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Speaker 13: the cameras, is to penetrate the cameras under the radar
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Speaker 13: of the Iranians without leaving a footprint or a digital print.
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Speaker 13: And for that you cannot only rely on technology. You
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Speaker 13: have to have those human factor, the human sources that
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Speaker 13: you will enable to initiate and carry on such an operation.
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Speaker 13: I would say that technology provides the map, but the
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Speaker 13: human source is the key. And the outstanding consequences is
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Speaker 13: because of this marathon that we have seen, so.
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Speaker 4: The human sources.
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Speaker 3: So how extensive are Israeli operatives embedded in the Iranian
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Speaker 3: infrastructure and architecture.
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Speaker 13: Really, oh, Israel have been embedding for quite a long time.
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Speaker 13: And I can just assume a general meaning in the
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Speaker 13: headquarters of the IRGC, the people sitting there and looking
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Speaker 13: to the side and looking to the left and thinking,
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Speaker 13: maybe this guy is the spy and maybe this guy
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Speaker 13: is the Mossad source. So this is the nature of
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Speaker 13: the penetration of Israeli intelligence service into the hardcore.
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Speaker 5: Of the regime, and we see the outcome.
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Speaker 3: I think one of the things, one of the messages
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Speaker 3: that has confused the public is that after the twelve
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Speaker 3: twelve Day War, the world was told that Iran's nuclear
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Speaker 3: capabilities had been destroyed. Now the world was told that
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Speaker 3: this war needed to happen to make sure that around
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Speaker 3: didn't again get a nuclear bomb.
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Speaker 4: Can you give us some more.
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Speaker 3: Information about what was completed in the twelve day war
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Speaker 3: and what still needed to happen.
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Speaker 5: We have to remember one thing.
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Speaker 13: The Iranian are possessing four hundred and eighty kilo of
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Speaker 13: enriched urini to the level of sixty two percent. In
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Speaker 13: order to make this gap between sixty percent and ninety percent,
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Speaker 13: which is needed for a nuclear device, it's about two
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Speaker 13: weeks or so. But you need the infrastructure, technological infrastructure.
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Speaker 5: So they also posted a.
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Speaker 13: Three and a half ton of uranium in Riach to
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Speaker 13: three point two percent, which is also enabled them to
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Speaker 13: do that.
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Speaker 5: What Israel had been.
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Speaker 13: Doing and in the Twelve Days War, and of course
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Speaker 13: with the assistant of America, is to destroy and annihilate
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Speaker 13: as much as possible the infrastructure, the center fugs, the
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Speaker 13: ten thousand center fields that are running for enrichment. But nevertheless,
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Speaker 13: we haven't destroyed two things. First of all, we did
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Speaker 13: not destroy the knowledge. The knowledge still exists within the
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Speaker 13: Iranian scientist. And we haven't destroyed and we haven't reached
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Speaker 13: those enriched uranium that probably are buried now either in
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Speaker 13: Ispahan or Nantans, those two places that were bumped.
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Speaker 5: So right now the test is first of all, to
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Speaker 5: be sure and to be certain that.
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Speaker 13: Those four hundred and eighty kilos that enable eleven atomic
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Speaker 13: bump will not be dug out or recovered.
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Speaker 3: Or did just finally that first very successful surprise attack
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Speaker 3: on the Ayatola and forty of his leadership, that was
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Speaker 3: the first act of war. But now all of the leadership,
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Speaker 3: the scientists have all gone underground, literally underground. So how
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Speaker 3: hard is it now to target them?
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Speaker 13: It's harder because everybody not just going underground, but getting
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Speaker 13: rid of all the devices that might be enable to tracking.
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Speaker 13: But nevertheless, we are still having our assets, we are
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Speaker 13: still having our sources, we're still having our know how
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Speaker 13: and technology, and so it's maybe a little bit more complicated,
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Speaker 13: but I can say it's disable the abilities and we
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Speaker 13: are seeing the consequences every day. If I may, I
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Speaker 13: want to say one word about the stand of the
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Speaker 13: United Kingdom here. I think it's it's shameful stand that
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Speaker 13: almost like being the butler who serve Tea by giving
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Speaker 13: the American the ability to land at the fair for
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Speaker 13: the airport, but not sharpening the knife.
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Speaker 5: I think it's a pouring stand by the UK.
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Speaker 13: Especially as an ally of natal of Americans. And I
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Speaker 13: think that this historic moment will be remembered as the
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Speaker 13: lowest point of the administration in the UK.
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Speaker 3: I completely agree with you, and I've actually got Brandon
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Speaker 3: O'Neil coming up a bit later to speak exactly about that.
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Speaker 3: The weak Kiirstama or dead Alama. Really appreciate your insights. Fascinating.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for joining me now speaking In an address
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Speaker 3: to Parliament earlier today, Canadian Prime Minister Mark Cannie seemed
24:29
Speaker 3: to take a swipe at Donald Trump while offering to
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Speaker 3: team up with Australia.
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Speaker 10: Although we could not be further physically a part, Canada
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Speaker 10: and Australia are strategic cousins. The world will always be
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Speaker 10: driven by great powers, but it can also be shaped
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Speaker 10: by middle powers that trust each other and act with
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Speaker 10: speed and purpose. The question today for middle powers like
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Speaker 10: us is whether we establish the con ventions and help
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Speaker 10: rate the new rules that will determine our security and prosperity,
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Speaker 10: or let the Hedgeman's dictate outcomes.
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Speaker 3: And this came after he said the war on Iran
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Speaker 3: is in breach of international law. We're joining me now,
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Speaker 3: National Senator Matt Canavan and former chief of Staff to
25:20
Speaker 3: Bill Shot and Cameron Milner.
25:21
Speaker 4: Great to see you both, Cameron.
25:23
Speaker 3: So in that speech Mark Carney said that countries like
25:28
Speaker 3: Canada and Australia need to stand together. But he did
25:31
Speaker 3: also last night say that the war was in breach
25:33
Speaker 3: of international law. So we aren't seeing this sort of
25:37
Speaker 3: huge solidarity from traditional allies.
25:42
Speaker 14: No, we aren't, and I think the promise of Kaa's
25:44
Speaker 14: having a leend of himself if he doesn't think the
25:46
Speaker 14: US has a role to play. I mean, I mean,
25:48
Speaker 14: you know, when I think about Kada's defense, I think
25:49
Speaker 14: of the Terence and Philip on the South Park building the.
25:52
Speaker 2: Wall to keep the Americans out.
25:53
Speaker 14: I mean, there are a joke, complete joke the Canadians
25:56
Speaker 14: that respect, and part of his big alliance was to
25:58
Speaker 14: say all of Europe was going to come out. Well,
26:00
Speaker 14: maybe France and England, per part of the G seven,
26:03
Speaker 14: might like to know that they're just part of Canada's
26:04
Speaker 14: backyard of defense. Now, this guy is walking around the
26:08
Speaker 14: world proselytizing against Donald Trump, making gross mistakes by saying
26:11
Speaker 14: the Iran war is illegal. That just pedals, you know,
26:15
Speaker 14: a pro Muslim, pro pro Kamane trope around the world.
26:20
Speaker 14: Unacceptable from a leader supposedly in the Western world. But no,
26:24
Speaker 14: I mean, Karne's got this little padder going at the moment.
26:26
Speaker 14: But look, without the US, we just don't have the
26:29
Speaker 14: defense we need as a nation.
26:32
Speaker 3: Matt Canavan, you also noticed that Mark Carney didn't mention
26:35
Speaker 3: one area in his speech that Albanezey did.
26:41
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, Chari. I was waiting for it.
26:43
Speaker 15: I was waiting for Mark to mention the words we
26:47
Speaker 15: hear so often in recent international affairs, and that's climate change.
26:53
Speaker 1: He didn't mention it at all before he spoke.
26:55
Speaker 15: The Prime Minister spoke and devoted a good chunk of
26:58
Speaker 15: his contribution, and I thought the Prime Minister spoke well,
27:00
Speaker 15: as Angus Taylor spoke really well. They gave good speeches
27:04
Speaker 15: about the friendship between our two nations, but the Prime
27:06
Speaker 15: Minister spent a lot of time talking about climate change,
27:08
Speaker 15: and then his friend from the same type of side
27:12
Speaker 15: of politics, Mark Carney's, a left leaning Canadian prime minister,
27:16
Speaker 15: didn't mention climate change at all. Look, I thought Prime
27:19
Speaker 15: Minster Karney gave a very considered speech about the need
27:22
Speaker 15: for countries now to invest in resilience.
27:24
Speaker 1: There's no doubt that the world has changed.
27:27
Speaker 15: It has changed over the past decade with a more
27:29
Speaker 15: assertive and aggressive Chinese Communist Party and a Jijingping, and
27:33
Speaker 15: America that is moving towards a more America first model.
27:37
Speaker 15: Whether you like or love or hate Donald Trump, he
27:40
Speaker 15: is pushed America more into look at its own needs
27:43
Speaker 15: and not necessarily those around the world. That has implications
27:46
Speaker 15: for our country and one of the key reasons I've
27:48
Speaker 15: been against this net zero madness is because it weakens
27:51
Speaker 15: our nation just at the time that we should be
27:53
Speaker 15: investing in more resilience, more strength, and Mark Cantey's message
27:57
Speaker 15: about that today is one I wish the Prime Minister,
28:00
Speaker 15: our Prime minister would heed.
28:04
Speaker 3: Just back on the Iran war, Cameron, one of your
28:07
Speaker 3: labor colleagues of Victorian labor senator has slammed the ABC
28:11
Speaker 3: in the Greens for what he calls their naked hypocrisy
28:15
Speaker 3: and referring there to John Lyons and the Greens because
28:19
Speaker 3: they condemned the Albanezy government support of the strikes against Iran.
28:24
Speaker 3: You've probably seen the comments already, so I won't replay
28:26
Speaker 3: them now.
28:26
Speaker 4: But cam RAF's comments were solid and.
28:30
Speaker 2: Spot on, Oh they are. Raf.
28:34
Speaker 14: Peter khalil on Sky today was excellent as well, so
28:37
Speaker 14: was Premier Chris Mins. I mean it gives the labour
28:39
Speaker 14: rights some hope that there are people out there standing
28:41
Speaker 14: up for what is right in this world, rather to
28:43
Speaker 14: Tony Burks doing isis Bride's deals or that disgraceful Bob
28:46
Speaker 14: Carr and it hughes e stendings to a portrait of
28:49
Speaker 14: Kamanee at nanti Israel protest on the Sydney Harbor Bridge.
28:52
Speaker 14: I mean correct, thank goodness for me, like Raf and
28:55
Speaker 14: Peter Khalil and Premier Mins are standing up for the
28:57
Speaker 14: Labor Party and staying up for what's right.
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Speaker 3: Just to mention there, Bob Krr claims he didn't know that.
29:03
Speaker 3: He says he didn't know the portrait of Ayatola Company
29:06
Speaker 3: was behind him.
29:08
Speaker 14: Well, everyone saw the photograph.
29:10
Speaker 4: We've seen the photo exactly. Matt.
29:11
Speaker 3: You've spoken about how this war is likely going to
29:15
Speaker 3: lead to a shortage of urea, which is needed for agriculture.
29:19
Speaker 4: Tell us about this.
29:22
Speaker 15: Yeah, look, I think it's the almost secret shortage that
29:26
Speaker 15: might be emerging here. We all heard a lot about
29:29
Speaker 15: potential fuel shortages, and understandably people are aware of those issues,
29:33
Speaker 15: given they fill up their cars every few days, But
29:35
Speaker 15: a lot of people wouldn't be aware that without natural
29:38
Speaker 15: gas we really can't feed ourselves all the world. About
29:41
Speaker 15: half the world's food comes from fertilizers that use natural
29:45
Speaker 15: gas to make those fertilizers. With the straits of Hermus
29:50
Speaker 15: disrupted at the moment, about a fifth of the world's
29:53
Speaker 15: natural gas is stuck in Qatar, and on top of that,
29:58
Speaker 15: about a third of the world's furtileers come from that
30:01
Speaker 15: area of the Middle East. Now Australia used to produce urea.
30:04
Speaker 15: It's the most important fertilizer used in farming.
30:08
Speaker 1: We used to produce it here.
30:09
Speaker 15: Then we've gone down this ridiculous climate change and net
30:12
Speaker 15: zero agenda. Our plants shut and we now get need
30:16
Speaker 15: We get two thirds of our supply of urea from
30:19
Speaker 15: the Middle East, and that's potentially now inaccessible. On top
30:23
Speaker 15: of that, some of people might know that trucks these
30:26
Speaker 15: days need AD blue to run. It helps cut emissions,
30:29
Speaker 15: not carbon emissions, but particular emissions, and that needs urea
30:34
Speaker 15: to make AD blue. So our whole trucking fleet is
30:37
Speaker 15: also at risk thanks to these disruptions. And I just
30:40
Speaker 15: don't think this government has a serious plan. They don't
30:42
Speaker 15: seem to have taken any action since the war to secure
30:45
Speaker 15: our supplies of these essential commodities, be it liquid fuels.
30:48
Speaker 1: All fertilizers.
30:49
Speaker 15: About all they've done is the treasure has written a letter,
30:51
Speaker 15: written a letter to the atriable c I mean, these
30:55
Speaker 15: guys aren't worth anything that we pay them is at
30:57
Speaker 15: the extent of their action given this disruption to fuel
31:01
Speaker 15: and fertilizer supplies.
31:02
Speaker 4: Yeah.
31:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to come back to the petrol prices
31:05
Speaker 3: with Adam Crichton a bit later. Just quickly before we go,
31:08
Speaker 3: breaking news an exclusive story in the Australian Tonight that
31:12
Speaker 3: Carl Sanderlands is looking at suing his employer ARN for
31:16
Speaker 3: the outstanding value of his ten year, one hundred million
31:19
Speaker 3: dollar contract should it be canceled, so this would see him.
31:23
Speaker 3: He's pushing for an eighty eight million dollar payout if
31:26
Speaker 3: it's canceled.
31:27
Speaker 4: Cameron, I mean it's a lot of money.
31:33
Speaker 14: Well, look, the King Bogan of Sydney has been found out,
31:35
Speaker 14: hasn't he? And look I hope IRN takes him through
31:38
Speaker 14: the cleaners and says what a workplace he worked under, because,
31:40
Speaker 14: as someone who's a very good celebrity person said today,
31:43
Speaker 14: Jackie O has a huge case, huge case against IRN
31:46
Speaker 14: for the unsafe workplace the King Bogan allowed it happened
31:50
Speaker 14: at ARN.
31:53
Speaker 4: Matt, what do you think about this?
31:54
Speaker 3: I mean it's a huge the contract or a huge
31:57
Speaker 3: amount of money. But the allegations are that you know,
32:01
Speaker 3: potentially she was we haven't heard the full story, but
32:04
Speaker 3: that she was clearly uncomfortable with some of the comments.
32:09
Speaker 15: Look, Sharry, I just couldn't really care. I never listened
32:12
Speaker 15: to FM radio. Once Trump's finished with a run, I
32:14
Speaker 15: wouldn't mind him dealing with FM breakfast radio and just getting.
32:16
Speaker 1: Rid of all of it.
32:17
Speaker 15: To be honest, I just think it's all a total wasteland.
32:21
Speaker 15: But good luck to him. I hope, I hope they
32:23
Speaker 15: get back together or something, and I wish the best
32:24
Speaker 15: for Jackie O. But I suppose she probably has done
32:28
Speaker 15: pretty well at that contract too, So good luck.
32:30
Speaker 3: You're a rare breed because most politicians, as Cameron knows,
32:33
Speaker 3: love FM radio. You can find them on FM radio,
32:36
Speaker 3: yes exactly, because it's an easy interview for them. They're
32:40
Speaker 3: just joking instead of having to subject themselves to serious
32:43
Speaker 3: and difficult, hard questions.
32:45
Speaker 15: I can feel I can feel my IQ dropping by
32:47
Speaker 15: the minute.
32:49
Speaker 3: Mart Kadam, I'll let you go O before it falls
32:51
Speaker 3: camera on it.
32:53
Speaker 4: Thanks for your time.
32:54
Speaker 3: Still to come, I'll speak with Trump's former chief of
32:57
Speaker 3: staff Mick Melvaaney about the crazy.
32:59
Speaker 4: Nut jobs and the MAGA.
33:00
Speaker 10: Right.
33:01
Speaker 3: Plus, we cross live to the UK where Brendan O'Neil
33:04
Speaker 3: will rip into Kiir Starmer, who's been publicly lashed by Trump.
33:08
Speaker 3: That's next, welcome back the UK Prime Minister Kiirths.
33:14
Speaker 4: Starmer is still reeling from the.
33:16
Speaker 3: Brutal takedown by Trump and joining me now to unpack
33:19
Speaker 3: it all is spiked onlines chief political writer Brendan O'Neil Brendan,
33:24
Speaker 3: can you imagine Margaret Thatcher or Tony Blair or any
33:26
Speaker 3: other British leader breaking with a long tradition in backing
33:30
Speaker 3: its allies in war and refusing to even allow them
33:34
Speaker 3: to use British basis.
33:37
Speaker 16: It's pathetic, isn't it. I mean, Keir Starmer just looks
33:40
Speaker 16: so ridiculous on the world stage right now. Everyone in
33:43
Speaker 16: this country here is embarrassed by Starmer. He is a weak,
33:48
Speaker 16: wimpish loser who doesn't know right from wrong and Chari.
33:52
Speaker 16: I'm sure you might know this and some of the
33:54
Speaker 16: viewers will too. But eighteen of the people killed on
33:57
Speaker 16: seventh of October were British citizens. One of them was
34:00
Speaker 16: a thirteen year old girl. A thirteen year old girl
34:02
Speaker 16: who was a British citizen was killed by her mass
34:05
Speaker 16: on seventh of October. They shot her to death. That
34:08
Speaker 16: is an army that was funded by the Islamic Republic
34:10
Speaker 16: that was given logistical support by the Islamic Republic. This
34:14
Speaker 16: regime in Tehran has massacred British people, British Jews, not
34:19
Speaker 16: even three years ago, and Starmer can't even put his
34:22
Speaker 16: head up and say we are against this regime and
34:25
Speaker 16: we support its destruction. He's really letting down the country.
34:28
Speaker 16: He's letting down British Jews, and he's letting down all
34:30
Speaker 16: of us.
34:32
Speaker 3: And breaking with this long tradition where you know, the
34:35
Speaker 3: United States and the UK stood side by side. The
34:38
Speaker 3: President was right to say he's no Churchill.
34:42
Speaker 16: Oh, he's no Churchill. As you say, he's not even
34:44
Speaker 16: a Tony Blair. I mean, whoever thought we'd look back
34:47
Speaker 16: at Tony Blair with kind of nostalgia. But you know,
34:50
Speaker 16: he's no Churchill. He's certainly no Thatcher and he's not
34:52
Speaker 16: even a Tony Blair. He is, he's just a kind
34:55
Speaker 16: of he's like a rabbit in the headlights. He doesn't
34:58
Speaker 16: know what to say, or what to do, or or
35:00
Speaker 16: how to act. It really demonstrates that Britain has become
35:03
Speaker 16: a second rate power under Keir Starmer. We're not taken
35:07
Speaker 16: seriously on the world stage. Anymore, and we don't deserve
35:09
Speaker 16: to be taken seriously why we have this kind of government?
35:12
Speaker 16: You know, what Starmer needs to do is offer his
35:15
Speaker 16: solidarity and support to the United States and to Israel,
35:18
Speaker 16: and also he needs to speak clearly on the nature
35:21
Speaker 16: of the Islamic Republic. This is a nation whose anti Semitism,
35:24
Speaker 16: whose authoritarianism, whose misogyny and homophobia runs directly counter to
35:30
Speaker 16: the virtues of Western civilization. The fact that Starmer can't
35:34
Speaker 16: even bring himself to say that, never mind take action,
35:37
Speaker 16: is really an indictment of his entire style of leadership.
35:42
Speaker 3: You mentioned that thirteen of those killed on October seven
35:45
Speaker 3: we're British citizens. Well, do you agree that there is
35:49
Speaker 3: this blind eye that's being turned in Australia and in
35:53
Speaker 3: the UK to acts of terror committed by Iran on
35:58
Speaker 3: Australian soil. We've had two attacks and Britain on British
36:02
Speaker 3: soil as well.
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Speaker 16: Oh, absolutely, no question whatsoever. In fact, people are covering
36:07
Speaker 16: it up, They're making excuses for it. The Left in
36:10
Speaker 16: particular has shed more tears over the killing of the
36:14
Speaker 16: Ayatollah than they did over the tens of thousands of
36:17
Speaker 16: ordinary Iranians who were killed just last month by the
36:20
Speaker 16: Ayatola's gunmen. I mean, this is just morally perverse. And
36:24
Speaker 16: anyone who now professes to care about Iranian life, this
36:28
Speaker 16: is what I want to say to them. If you
36:29
Speaker 16: said nothing when Iranians were being butchered on the streets
36:32
Speaker 16: for the crime of wanting more freedom, we don't want
36:35
Speaker 16: to hear from you now. They are such stinking hypocrites
36:38
Speaker 16: that they think they can get on their soapbox over
36:40
Speaker 16: this conflict. But yeah, you know, the Islamic Republic brought
36:43
Speaker 16: this war upon itself. It sent its proxies Ha mass
36:48
Speaker 16: Hezbola and the Huthis to attack the Jewish state, which
36:51
Speaker 16: is our ally the Islamic Republics started this war. The
36:55
Speaker 16: idea that it is the innocent victim of an unprovoked
36:57
Speaker 16: war of aggression is a disgusting why it started this war,
37:01
Speaker 16: and Israel in particular has every right to continue fighting
37:05
Speaker 16: this war until that threat has been newted.
37:08
Speaker 3: We speak often about the left, as you just did there,
37:12
Speaker 3: But what about the Nati end of the Maga movement,
37:17
Speaker 3: where people like Megan Kelly and Tucker Carlson are effectively
37:21
Speaker 3: siding with the brutal regime of Iran in opposing the war.
37:26
Speaker 3: And not just that, but Megan Kelly's blaming high profile
37:29
Speaker 3: Jews like Ben Shapiro and Mark Livin for Trump going
37:33
Speaker 3: to war. And she's also said that Nedda Yao, who
37:35
Speaker 3: is the secret American president? You know, running on an
37:38
Speaker 3: old anti Semitic trope.
37:40
Speaker 4: What's your view on this.
37:42
Speaker 16: I'm incredibly worried about what's happening to sections of the
37:46
Speaker 16: very online right, you know, the crank ride on the internet,
37:48
Speaker 16: who now are just as crazy as the woke left,
37:52
Speaker 16: and just as anti Israel and in some cases anti
37:55
Speaker 16: Semitic as the work left is. But you know, you're right,
37:57
Speaker 16: this is a classic anti Semitic trope. The idea that
38:01
Speaker 16: netmya who is the secret leader of America or Australia
38:04
Speaker 16: or Britain. The idea that the Jews are dragging us
38:07
Speaker 16: into this war. That's anti Semitism just repackaged as anti
38:11
Speaker 16: war activism. It's an old hatred repackaged as a modern
38:14
Speaker 16: form of political critique. But we can see what.
38:17
Speaker 5: It really is.
38:18
Speaker 16: This idea that the Jewish state is the secret puppet
38:21
Speaker 16: master of global affairs is just a racist idea, And
38:25
Speaker 16: I think the fact that more people on the right
38:27
Speaker 16: are going down that rabbit hole of anti Semitic hatred
38:30
Speaker 16: is deeply, deeply worrying.
38:32
Speaker 3: And the idea that a media commentator like Ben Shapiro
38:36
Speaker 3: or Mark Levin would be controlling the president is absurd
38:40
Speaker 3: and she knows that, but she still runs with it.
38:42
Speaker 4: Brendan O'Neil, thank you very much for coming on. Still
38:46
Speaker 4: to come.
38:47
Speaker 3: How much will petrol prices rise by? And are the
38:49
Speaker 3: companies taking advantage?
38:51
Speaker 4: Plus?
38:52
Speaker 3: Former White House Chief of Staff McK mulvaney joins me
38:55
Speaker 3: to defend Trump's efforts against Iran.
38:58
Speaker 4: That's next.
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Speaker 10: Well.
39:02
Speaker 3: I caught up with former White House Chief of Staff
39:04
Speaker 3: Mick mulvaney a little earlier to discuss the war in Iran.
39:10
Speaker 3: Mick maulvainy, thank you very much for your time, given
39:14
Speaker 3: the criticisms that we're seeing. Do you think President Trump
39:17
Speaker 3: has explained to Americans and to the world the case
39:21
Speaker 3: for this war properly?
39:24
Speaker 17: I think he has, but he's actually done probably too much.
39:28
Speaker 17: He gave an interview that I thought was much better
39:31
Speaker 17: where he focused on the desire to make sure that
39:34
Speaker 17: Iran never has a nuclear weapon at any reasonable time.
39:38
Speaker 17: In the future, no nuclear weapons, no means to deliver that.
39:42
Speaker 17: I think that message has gotten lost over the course
39:44
Speaker 17: of the first one hundred hours of this war. They've
39:46
Speaker 17: also had messages coming out of this White House about
39:50
Speaker 17: retribution against the Iranian government for alleged assassination attempts against
39:55
Speaker 17: mister Trump. They've talked about regime change and so forth,
39:58
Speaker 17: and I think that has certainly muddied the WA. I
40:00
Speaker 17: think the administration is getting back on message here that
40:03
Speaker 17: the nuclear weapons program is at the heart of the
40:06
Speaker 17: motivation behind this attack. But if the criticism is that
40:09
Speaker 17: there has been a muddled message for the first one
40:12
Speaker 17: hundred hours, I think that's probably not unfair.
40:16
Speaker 3: What has been the reaction inside the MAGA movement to
40:19
Speaker 3: America and Israel commencing this war against Iran.
40:25
Speaker 2: Cautious and anxious.
40:27
Speaker 17: Keep in mind, the base of the Republican Party is
40:30
Speaker 17: very closely tied to Donald Trump. They like him a
40:34
Speaker 17: tremendous deals approval ratings with that group, even though as
40:37
Speaker 17: his approval ratings nationwide continue to sort of decline on
40:42
Speaker 17: a regular basis, his support levels within his own party
40:45
Speaker 17: are tremendously high. So he's going to have a good
40:48
Speaker 17: bit of leeway with those folks. Now that being said,
40:52
Speaker 17: there's already some discussion on Twitter, social media, and even
40:55
Speaker 17: a little bit more broadly as to whether or not
40:59
Speaker 17: this particularlitary action is consistent with the campaign the president ran.
41:04
Speaker 17: I think the base was very willing to cut him
41:08
Speaker 17: some slack on the attack on the nuclear facilities in
41:11
Speaker 17: around six months ago, and similarly on the snatching of
41:15
Speaker 17: President Maduro out of Venezuela. This looks different, it feels different,
41:20
Speaker 17: and it is being reacted to a little bit differently.
41:23
Speaker 17: That the base is not turned on him yet, Sherry,
41:26
Speaker 17: But I think the base is wondering where this is
41:30
Speaker 17: going to lead. They are not interested even if Donald
41:32
Speaker 17: Trump is leading it into getting back into another forever
41:36
Speaker 17: war overseas.
41:36
Speaker 2: That the base would be against that.
41:39
Speaker 17: So the shorter version of that answer is he's okay
41:42
Speaker 17: with the base for now.
41:44
Speaker 3: Micro Rubio's comments, even though they were taken out of context,
41:48
Speaker 3: but his comments as they were widely reported that Israel
41:51
Speaker 3: was behind this or pushed Trump to act, How damaging
41:55
Speaker 3: were those initial comments?
41:58
Speaker 5: Not really?
41:59
Speaker 17: I mean, the the left is going to pounce on it,
42:01
Speaker 17: the Democrat Party course, anything that Trump does will be
42:04
Speaker 17: objectionable to roughly half the country. That's just the way
42:08
Speaker 17: that's as polarized as we are. But in the longer game,
42:12
Speaker 17: I don't think those comments are particularly worrisome to the administration.
42:16
Speaker 17: Keep in mind, the President gave an interview and said
42:19
Speaker 17: specific explicitly that any interpretation that Israel somehow drag us
42:25
Speaker 17: into this or push us into this is false. I
42:28
Speaker 17: know the President fairly well, I know the American government
42:31
Speaker 17: a good bit. That's not how we work. We don't
42:34
Speaker 17: let other countries sort of drag us into war. And
42:37
Speaker 17: what Trump said was that, if anything, he had sort
42:39
Speaker 17: of dragged Israel into the war. That's much more consistent
42:42
Speaker 17: with the Donald Trump that I know.
42:43
Speaker 3: Ayatola ali Ja Khamene's son has now been elected as
42:47
Speaker 3: the new Supreme Leader.
42:48
Speaker 4: He is considered just as hard line.
42:50
Speaker 3: Where yet to see whether he'll be targeted in the
42:52
Speaker 3: coming weeks.
42:53
Speaker 4: It's likely he will be.
42:55
Speaker 3: But how important is it for there to be a
42:57
Speaker 3: new tone, a less extreme leadership in place in Iran.
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Speaker 17: Well, we'll start with the importance of having any leadership
43:04
Speaker 17: in Iran at some point in the near future. Keep
43:07
Speaker 17: in mind, if we're going to talk to somebody there.
43:11
Speaker 17: There has to be somebody there. If there's going to
43:13
Speaker 17: be someone to talk to, even about surrendering who there
43:16
Speaker 17: has to be some sort of leadership in the country
43:19
Speaker 17: to do that. There has to be, you know, short
43:21
Speaker 17: of surrender, discussion with somebody about the nuclear facilities, about
43:25
Speaker 17: the about the missile programs, et cetera. So at the
43:29
Speaker 17: very basic there has to have some leadership just so
43:32
Speaker 17: we have someone to negotiate with. Now, if your question
43:34
Speaker 17: is if the if the new boss the same as
43:38
Speaker 17: the old boss is, as they say in pop music,
43:41
Speaker 17: then that's that that's probably going to be a problem.
43:44
Speaker 17: But again, I don't think Trump, despite some of the
43:47
Speaker 17: language that came out of the White House in the
43:49
Speaker 17: early hours of this event, was as focused on regime
43:51
Speaker 17: change as he was on those nuclear capabilities. So if
43:55
Speaker 17: you told Donald Trump, look, you're going to end up
43:57
Speaker 17: with Iran going forward. This just as bad as the
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Speaker 17: folks before, but they're never going to have a nuclear
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Speaker 17: weapon or the ability to deliver long range weapons, I
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Speaker 17: think he would take that as a win.
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Speaker 3: We saw the President to make some comments very critical
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Speaker 3: of Kiir Starmer, and it's clear that the Allies that Australia, UK,
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Speaker 3: New Zealand Canada did not know about this war beforehand
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Speaker 3: in a way that is unusual because of the Five
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Speaker 3: Eyes intelligence relationship that has been long standing.
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Speaker 4: So does the fact that America didn't let its.
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Speaker 3: Closest allies know about this indicate that there isn't as
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Speaker 3: much trust now from President Trump of the left leaning governments,
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Speaker 3: at least of Australia and the United Kingdom.
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Speaker 17: But schre I think it's a completely appropriate question to
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Speaker 17: ask as to whether or not Donald Trump's trust levels
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Speaker 17: with various foreign leaders right now are as strong as
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Speaker 17: we would want them to be.
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Speaker 2: If your question is, is.
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Speaker 17: He worried that maybe Keir Starmer or Anthony Albanesi might
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Speaker 17: do something to try and caim look bad, I think
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Speaker 17: that's a reasonable question to ask, because I think he
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Speaker 17: would be concerned about that. That being said that the
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Speaker 17: relationship is bigger than any individual relationship, that the Five
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Speaker 17: Eyes connections are very, very strong and go back generations
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Speaker 17: having been in the White House have been not obviously
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Speaker 17: in these exact circumstances, but something similar. I can tell
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Speaker 17: you this that if we had made the decision not
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Speaker 17: to share the highest level of information with the five eyes.
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Speaker 17: There be a reason for that. It wouldn't be something
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Speaker 17: that you do accidentally. It would be something that you
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Speaker 17: sort of do. Oh my goodness, I can't believe we
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Speaker 17: forgot to tell those folks. Shoot, no, that's not what
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Speaker 17: this is about. So I'm going to operate under the
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Speaker 17: assumption right now that there was a specific reason for that,
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Speaker 17: and it may be when the history is written about
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Speaker 17: that we'll learn what that is. But is it fair
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Speaker 17: to say the relationship isn't as strong as it was
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Speaker 17: maybe ten years ago.
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Speaker 5: Yes?
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Speaker 17: Does that mean the relationship is weak?
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Speaker 3: It does not, all right, Mick mulvainy, thank you very
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Speaker 3: much for your time.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Cherry.
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Speaker 3: After the break, treasure Chalmers has called on fuel companies
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Speaker 3: to stop hiking prices.
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Speaker 4: Adam Crichton would join me to.
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Speaker 3: Discuss The Treasurer has warned fuel companies not to use
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Speaker 3: the conflict in Iran as an excuse to hike prices.
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Speaker 18: We don't want service stations to take advantage of people.
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Speaker 18: We understand that there will be movements in the market,
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Speaker 18: but people retailers cannot be taking people for mugs.
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Speaker 3: And joining me now, The Institute of Public Affairs Chief
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Speaker 3: economist Adam Crichton, Adam, how much of the petrol price
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Speaker 3: increase is from the war and how much of it
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Speaker 3: are petrol companies taking advantage?
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Speaker 11: Well, looks it's very hard to prove these things. I
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Speaker 11: would say probably it's largely the war. But the reality
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Speaker 11: is there are thousands of petrol retails across Australia and
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Speaker 11: it's very hard for them to coordinate, and of course
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Speaker 11: if they raise their price too much, then the petrol
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Speaker 11: guy across the road can can lower his. So I
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Speaker 11: don't think there's some coordinated effort to raise prices. I
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Speaker 11: think there's a war risk that occurs when there's a war,
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Speaker 11: and the station owners are probably concerned about the future,
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Speaker 11: and so it's natural in those cases to raise your
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Speaker 11: prices a bit. The main point is that the will
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Speaker 11: price has not gone up as much as people feared
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Speaker 11: when the war first broke out. It's still a relatively
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Speaker 11: modest increase about ten percent in the global will price,
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Speaker 11: and the bowser price is about two dollars twenty. That's
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Speaker 11: not great, of course, but it could be far worse.
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Speaker 3: So can you talk us through how much fuel supply
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Speaker 3: we actually have left in Australia, and then how high
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Speaker 3: can we expect prices to go?
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Speaker 2: Well, this is the far more damning issue.
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Speaker 11: I think most countries are meant to have ninety days
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Speaker 11: of supply and Australia has something like thirty five days
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Speaker 11: of supply. And this has been the case actually for
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Speaker 11: a very long time. I can remember back at the
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Speaker 11: Australian ten years ago writing about the fact that we
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Speaker 11: only had thirty days supply. So this is a pox
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Speaker 11: on both the Coalition and the Labor Party. They've both
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Speaker 11: been very negligent, I would say, in this regard, and
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Speaker 11: that's because it's very expensive to keep barrels of all.
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Speaker 11: If you're on the side. We don't have a very
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Speaker 11: big refining capacity in Australia. It's very small, so I
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Speaker 11: think it's very negligent. We just have to hope that
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Speaker 11: things go our way and that there's not a major,
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Speaker 11: major aill crisis, and so far that's proving true.
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Speaker 2: But you know, you certainly could see prices go.
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Speaker 11: Up one hundred US dollars a barrel, so beyond one
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Speaker 11: hundred US dollars a barrel, and you could see three
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Speaker 11: dollars all prices potentially at the Bowser. Let's hope we
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Speaker 11: don't see that. The main problem for the government, of
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Speaker 11: course is inflation. It's going to feed into inflation. It's
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Speaker 11: going to make that three point eight percent figure go likely,
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Speaker 11: go higher, more likely, and that's the big political concern.
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Speaker 3: For the government, although I don't know if it'll be
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Speaker 3: much of a political concern because they'll just blame the
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Speaker 3: worll Exactly.
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Speaker 2: They have an excuse, now, don't they.
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Speaker 4: Exactly just looking at the economy.
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Speaker 3: GDP figures came out yesterday, So what do they tell
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Speaker 3: us about the state of the economy, especially when combined
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Speaker 3: with inflation and cost of living crashes.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, well, the government's been crying about the two point
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Speaker 11: six percent growth figure, which is the highest in quite
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Speaker 11: a few years, but it's from a very low base.
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Speaker 11: The reality is the economy is growing very sluggishly. You know,
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Speaker 11: two point six percent is not particularly fast, and of
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Speaker 11: course we have population growth of roughly one and a
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Speaker 11: half percent, so it's only about one percent is actually
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Speaker 11: the real growth. And of course per capita last year
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Speaker 11: I think growth was only ero point five percent, so
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Speaker 11: it's been extremely sluggish.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, per capita GDP is still lower than it was
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 11: And you know, the main point to make with GDP
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Speaker 11: is most people don't really care what the GDP figures are.
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Speaker 11: They care about their wages, they care about their living standards.
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Speaker 11: And as you as you point out, the rate of
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Speaker 11: inflation is still very high. People are hurting price of
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Speaker 11: houses going up. So they're the factors. They're the economic.
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Speaker 2: Variables that people really care about, not the GDP figures.
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Speaker 3: Just very quickly, only thirty seconds. Victoria Premier Justinto Allen
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Speaker 3: came out strongly this week pushing ahead with the work
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Speaker 3: from home policy. How damaging will this be for business?
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Speaker 2: Well, look, you know, I think it's a popular stunt.
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Speaker 11: I mean it does potentially apply to one point three
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Speaker 11: million workers for small businesses.
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Speaker 2: But I think most businesses.
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Speaker 11: That want to have work from home policies they already
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Speaker 11: have them. There's something like thirty six percent of workers
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Speaker 11: in Australia do partly work from home. That's obviously much
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Speaker 11: higher than it was pre COVID. Certainly all the small
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Speaker 11: business owners who don't want work from home will be
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Speaker 11: voting against the Jacina Allen government.
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Speaker 2: And I don't think many.
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Speaker 11: Workers, you know, will really be willing to push a
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Speaker 11: work from home policy when their employer doesn't want it,
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Speaker 11: because it just means they're more likely to get sacked
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Speaker 11: in the future or be made redundant.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, basically self selecting to be laid off.
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Speaker 11: So I don't think it will be I don't think
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Speaker 11: the policy will be as popular as people think.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well let's hope not.
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Speaker 3: I know businesses are very worried about it, all right,
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Speaker 3: Adam Crichton, great to see you. Thank you very much,
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Speaker 3: and thanks everyone for your company this week. It has
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Speaker 3: been busy week. I'll see you Monday at eight. And
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Speaker 3: here's Paul Murray