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Joel Kim Booster Returns to Disobey Bridger Again · I Said No Gifts! A comedy interview podcast with Bridger Winegar

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  Speaker 1: Well, I invited you here. Gonta made myself perfectly clear.
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  Speaker 1: When you're a guest to my home, you gotta come
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  Speaker 1: to me empty. And I said, no guests, you're o presences, presents,
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  Speaker 1: and I already too much stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So how do you dare to surbey me?
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to I said, no gifts. I'm Richer Wineker. We're here.
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  Speaker 2: I'm on top of the world.
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  Speaker 3: I started the morning by walking through a spider's web
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  Speaker 3: and poisoning myself with caffeine. What's going on? Those were
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  Speaker 3: the two big events. I went to work. Now I'm
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  Speaker 3: here podcasting, and I watched last night, I watched Dead Files.
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  Speaker 3: We all know what Dead Files is. It's a ghost
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  Speaker 3: hunting reality show from the tens, the teens, the twenty tens.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: What I learned was that the Family Tree in Santaquin, Utah,
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  Speaker 3: unfortunately has closed, the restaurant that everybody hated, haunted by
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  Speaker 3: hundreds of ghosts.
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  Speaker 2: It's gone.
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  Speaker 3: They're no longer serving their disgusting chicken fried steak ririp.
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  Speaker 3: So that is essentially my life, my full, vibrant life,
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  Speaker 3: kind of reporting back to you as you begged me
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  Speaker 3: to do. I think that's about it. Patreon dot com
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  Speaker 3: slash I said, no gifts, come on over, support the podcast,
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  Speaker 3: enjoy some bonus episode odes, all kinds of things come
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  Speaker 3: on over. But let's get into the podcast. I absolutely
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  Speaker 3: love today's guest. It's Joel Kim Booster. Joelo, welcome back
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  Speaker 3: to I said.
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  Speaker 2: I thank you so much.
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  Speaker 4: I cannot relate to your story more. And by storia,
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  Speaker 4: I mean having absolutely nothing that anyone would be interested
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  Speaker 4: in hearing about happening to you, because that's been I
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  Speaker 4: don't know, this whole year has been has felt so strange.
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  Speaker 3: Just days will go by and I'll just be like,
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  Speaker 3: nothing has really changed in my life. It doesn't feel
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  Speaker 3: like there's you know, there'll be especially earlier this year,
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  Speaker 3: there will be weeks where I just be like, oh
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  Speaker 3: there was. I might as well just have stayed in
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  Speaker 3: January first. Yeah, just totally fine.
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  Speaker 2: Might as well just stay in Lockdown. Honestly, the way
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  Speaker 2: things are going for me right now.
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  Speaker 3: The last time you were on the podcast was Deep Lockdown.
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  Speaker 3: Yes it was, And I remember there was like some
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  Speaker 3: issue where our former producer had like fallen asleep on
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  Speaker 3: the job.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: See, I don't remember any issues. I remember it being
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  Speaker 4: a lovely time. I don't remember the issues.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's the difference between you and I. I
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  Speaker 3: focus on the negative, right, And I'm fortunately Stephen Ray Morris,
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  Speaker 3: former producer, is nowhere near the podcast anymore. But there
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  Speaker 3: was something where I was like it was one of
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  Speaker 3: those things where we were all learning how to do
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  Speaker 3: all of this in a new type of environment.
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  Speaker 4: And we were talking before we started too about just
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  Speaker 4: how used to be the lowest lift.
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  Speaker 2: Part of your professional life.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, doing a podcast could not have been easier, could
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  Speaker 4: not have been lower effort, and yet here we are
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  Speaker 4: in this designed studio, like production designers came in and said,
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  Speaker 4: this is the vibe we're going for.
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  Speaker 2: Visually on the podcast, and yeah, it's awful. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: a to what end? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I just wonder what the next step is going to
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  Speaker 3: be because eventually a video won't be enough and then
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  Speaker 3: how are we going to dazzle people?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's gonna be an interesting, uh crossroads for us.
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  Speaker 4: But I will say it's like every podcast is its
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  Speaker 4: own little TV show now.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, which is kind of It's weird because like growing up,
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  Speaker 3: it's like the dream, right host a TV talk.
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  Speaker 2: A talk show. Yeah, and now here we are with
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  Speaker 2: everyone else.
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  Speaker 4: It's such a monkey's pa sort of like like it's
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  Speaker 4: m Night Shyamalan doing that, you know where. It's like
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  Speaker 4: this kid grew up wanting to have a talk show
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  Speaker 4: and now he's got one.
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  Speaker 2: But it's a podcast. I'm joking. First, I love my podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I do too. I love podcasts.
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  Speaker 3: Truly, so thankful to be able to have a podcast
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  Speaker 3: that people listen to.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it feels like a miracle to me.
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  Speaker 4: That's the toughest thing, right, is that unlike a talk show,
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  Speaker 4: there's no studio audience.
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  Speaker 2: No, You're you're sort of just shouting.
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  Speaker 4: Into a void and hoping that someone it reaches somebody somewhere.
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  Speaker 3: When I because I'll do for the Patreon like recaps
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  Speaker 3: of housewives or whatever, and I'm just sitting in my
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  Speaker 3: back office talking into him, Like if someone observing that
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  Speaker 3: from the outside, I can't imagine what does that even
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  Speaker 3: look like?
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  Speaker 2: That?
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  Speaker 4: That is the thing that I find so impressive about
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  Speaker 4: you in this podcast is I record the intro after
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  Speaker 4: the guests leave, and even then I feel so crazy
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  Speaker 4: talking by myself, Like I could never do what you
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  Speaker 4: and Mark Meron do it's the true famed monologists, you
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  Speaker 4: and Mark Maren.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't do it.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't think I could sustain like a train
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  Speaker 4: of thought that would be engaging to people like.
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  Speaker 3: I just did, which is you know, just platinum level.
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  Speaker 2: There are super cuts of you doing it well though
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  Speaker 2: on socials honestly, like should we re record?
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  Speaker 3: There are aspects of this podcast that I think people
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  Speaker 3: look at and they're like, wait, he's just he's fundamentally
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  Speaker 3: doing the podcast incorrect. I'm sure the network is like,
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  Speaker 3: why doesn't he just do this without the guest here? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and I've just locked myself into a thing which may
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  Speaker 3: or may not work, and that I guess it's neither
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  Speaker 3: here nor there.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think you're still like doing it better than say,
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  Speaker 4: like Jessica Alba.
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  Speaker 3: Would I do everything better than Jessica Help?
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  Speaker 4: But I don't know that she has a podcast, but
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  Speaker 4: you know someone's thinking about it on her team. Oh
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  Speaker 4: my god, they've pitched it over over And that is
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  Speaker 4: the other great thing that has changed is now podcasting
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  Speaker 4: is no longer just you know.
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  Speaker 2: Normal people, normal people. It is just now every a
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  Speaker 2: lister has a podcast.
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  Speaker 3: This is something I've thought about and talked about I
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  Speaker 3: just feel like people need to write down the amount
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  Speaker 3: of money they want, Yeah, and then we all get
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  Speaker 3: to look at it and we get to decide how
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  Speaker 3: you get there. Yeah, because certain people, I'm just like,
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  Speaker 3: how much money could you possibly need?
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  Speaker 4: No, and it's like, how much is a waste suitcase
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  Speaker 4: is giving them?
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  Speaker 2: You know? That's what I want?
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  Speaker 4: Like, it's so crazy because I have sponsors. You have sponsors.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not buying a house or paying my mortgage with them.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, it's uh, yeah, I don't know. Again, I
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  Speaker 4: just feel like, what's going to happen for it to
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  Speaker 4: be worth it for Reese Witherspoon to do a podcast?
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  Speaker 4: You have to imagine the money is.
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  Speaker 3: I can't imagine. It would be lifetimes of money.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And you know, and we love her for exactly
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  Speaker 2: what is her podcast? I don't know. I'm here to
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  Speaker 2: promote it.
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  Speaker 4: Again, it seems likely that she has one or happened
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  Speaker 4: he heard her on podcasts Now.
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  Speaker 2: She's always out there.
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  Speaker 4: She's saying something, she's saying something. She's trying to get
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  Speaker 4: us on board with n f T S and AI
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  Speaker 4: she is Is that true?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: She famously got in trouble when NFTs were you know,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this was past the point where every thinking
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  Speaker 4: person knew that this was not going to happen, right,
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  Speaker 4: but she still tried to make it happen, and then
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  Speaker 4: recently had a video that was just like get on
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  Speaker 4: board now, you know with ai Oh, it's always like
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  Speaker 4: the girl boss take on evil technology there.
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  Speaker 3: And she is kind of the foremost book critic, yes
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  Speaker 3: of our time.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I mean she really doesn't make it happen
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  Speaker 4: though for some of these books that some of them
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  Speaker 4: maybe should have been left in the airport, you know,
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  Speaker 4: But her greatest achievement is still the d uy.
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  Speaker 2: She was you know who I am. Well, you're about
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  Speaker 2: to find out it is her best work on her side, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I was on the person.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, how couldn't you be, because it's like, who's she
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  Speaker 4: going to hit.
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  Speaker 3: Out there, out in some empty southern road, just blasting
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  Speaker 3: down the freeway.
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  Speaker 2: Again, obviously we're both very vehemently against.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that, I mean, not to get too
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  Speaker 3: serious about it, the d U I is truly one
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  Speaker 3: of these things where I'm just like, this is a
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  Speaker 3: beyond horrible thing.
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  Speaker 4: It is, and it's so crazy, especially if you live
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  Speaker 4: in a city like ours, where there are a million
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  Speaker 4: options other than doing that. Like you, it's this isn't
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  Speaker 4: two thousand and six any You don't have to do that,
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  Speaker 4: not that anyone had a gun to your head and
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  Speaker 4: was forcing you to do it before, But it is
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  Speaker 4: so crazy when I know, if people are still getting duys,
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  Speaker 4: unbelievable to me.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like you're not even poor. You know, there's
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  Speaker 2: like for.
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  Speaker 3: Ninety eight percent of the population, if you should be
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  Speaker 3: able to figure out how to get home. Yeah, actually
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  Speaker 3: everybody walk home. Yeah, there's just literally no excuse. It's
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  Speaker 3: just to me, it's one crime where I'm just like, absolutely,
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  Speaker 3: I can't imagine any logic that leads.
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  Speaker 4: I hate it when I'm a friend offers to drive
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  Speaker 4: me and doesn't tell me that they are not in
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  Speaker 4: a position to be driving because they've put in my
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  Speaker 4: life at rest.
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  Speaker 2: This happened recently.
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  Speaker 4: I got in a car with somebody, not even really
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  Speaker 4: a friend, just in a quaint in somebody see out
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  Speaker 4: and we were going from one house party to another
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  Speaker 4: house party.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, oh, I can drive. And this was at
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  Speaker 2: this point like four or five am.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so already exhausted.
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  Speaker 4: It should have been on my radar that he was
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  Speaker 4: probably not completely sober.
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  Speaker 2: And I asked him.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, you're good to right, and he was
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  Speaker 4: like absolutely. We got to the other party. He parked
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  Speaker 4: on the wrong side of the street. And this was
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  Speaker 4: in Palm Springs, which is a city seemingly designed for
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  Speaker 4: drunk drivers except for the one way straight too. But
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  Speaker 4: the roads are wider than any road in America, right
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  Speaker 4: because they know those people are swerving all over the place, and.
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  Speaker 3: The seniors driving, and God bless our seniors. But we
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  Speaker 3: know that driving can be a little tricky as well.
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  Speaker 4: People don't stop driving when they know they should, you know.
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  Speaker 4: And if we wait for that day to come, that
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  Speaker 4: day will never.
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  Speaker 2: Come from us people. No, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: My grandma's not ninety five and still driving, but she
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  Speaker 3: has the self awareness of I think it's about time.
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  Speaker 3: She just recently passed her test, which to me is
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  Speaker 3: well remarkable. She's passing the test, then you know, go
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  Speaker 3: for it. I guess I shouldn't be driving, honestly, I
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  Speaker 3: certainly shouldn't, but you should have seen me on the
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  Speaker 3: way here.
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  Speaker 2: I just got a new car, a new used car.
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  Speaker 4: Last night because I told my car last week, oh no,
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  Speaker 4: what I literally was in a fight with my husband,
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  Speaker 4: was like, I need to go drive around the block.
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  Speaker 4: Got in my car, drove about half a block away
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  Speaker 4: from my house, turned a corner. This is like in
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  Speaker 4: a My street is very narrow, it might as well
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  Speaker 4: be a one way street. But I was like turning
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  Speaker 4: around the corner and just came. I was like, my
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  Speaker 4: husband called me, and I looked down at the phone,
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  Speaker 4: looked up, and I was like, head on into somebody else.
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  Speaker 4: And the thing was, it wasn't even like a bad crash.
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  Speaker 2: No one was hurt.
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  Speaker 4: It cosmetically my car even looked like it should be fine.
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  Speaker 4: But it hit some sort of fluid container or something
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  Speaker 4: that they were like, no, it's not worth it. And
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  Speaker 4: so I had to go and visit the fine folks
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  Speaker 4: at CarMax, which I will say I bought a car
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  Speaker 4: on Monday, Okay, decided I didn't care enough about I
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  Speaker 4: don't have enough. I don't have a lot of vanity
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  Speaker 4: about cars in general. Like I've never had a car
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  Speaker 4: that I thought was like cool, right. It was always
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  Speaker 4: what I could afford and what seemed practical. And I
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  Speaker 4: bought a car and it was like slightly more money
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  Speaker 4: than the insurance gave me to buy.
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  Speaker 2: A car, okay.
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  Speaker 4: And then I got it home and I was like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't love this car enough or care enough about
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  Speaker 4: cars to have spent over the amount of money that
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  Speaker 4: the insurance gave me. So I took it right back yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: It returns a ten day return policy at CarMax. That's
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  Speaker 4: that to me feels like magic. It is like a
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  Speaker 4: car should not be able to be returned well. And
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  Speaker 4: then I returned it and exchanged it for a much
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  Speaker 4: older car.
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  Speaker 2: This is now.
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  Speaker 4: I have a car now that is four years young,
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  Speaker 4: older than my car that I just totaled and like
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  Speaker 4: twice the mile age. But it was also like six
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  Speaker 4: thousand dollars cheaper than the car. About it Monday, so
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  Speaker 4: I was like, who cares? And you know what, it
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  Speaker 4: is actually a cool car. It looks very cool. That's
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  Speaker 4: now it is very old.
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  Speaker 2: And what twenty nineteen, twenty eighty Oh that's not bad. Yeah, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: it's not like it's not like, you know, a different era,
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  Speaker 2: but it does. I am missing some of my twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty three car.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I mean, you know, but there are certain features
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  Speaker 3: of newer cars that are absolutely the most annoying thing
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  Speaker 3: you could possibly I mean, like that taking control of
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  Speaker 3: the car, the amount of beeping that's going on.
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  Speaker 4: I had a rental and upset in New York last
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  Speaker 4: weekend and it kept telling me, Hey, you need.
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  Speaker 2: To take a do you need to take a break?
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  Speaker 3: You do it?
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 4: It kept doing and I was like, and I think
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  Speaker 4: it's that eye motion sensors that's like keeping track of
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  Speaker 4: your eyes, and like I was like, bitch.
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  Speaker 2: I'm fine.
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  Speaker 3: That to me is such a distraction and I'm immediately mad.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, are you okay? Yes, what's wrong
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  Speaker 4: with you right? Because you seem to be off if
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  Speaker 4: you're checking me. It was so annoying.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like the sweet spot for cars was
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  Speaker 3: like probably twenty eighteen, when they had a lot of
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  Speaker 3: wonderful features, but not the beeping, not the tracking.
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  Speaker 2: Not every everything you do right being deeped.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't really care about even a backup camera,
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  Speaker 3: to be honest, I don't trust it.
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  Speaker 2: That, you know what. It's crazy.
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  Speaker 4: I only just in the last couple of years really
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  Speaker 4: stopped looking behind me physically, and it was so crazy
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  Speaker 4: because I remember when I bought that car that I
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  Speaker 4: just totaled. I had like a young gen Z salesperson
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  Speaker 4: doing the test ride with me, and he did not
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  Speaker 4: know how to do to like without a back a camera.
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  Speaker 2: He just couldn't.
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  Speaker 4: And it's the whole generation of people now and then
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  Speaker 4: some who are not learning fundamental skills.
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  Speaker 3: That's because that's really one that you may have to
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  Speaker 3: use it somewhat. The camera is going to die.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's not like it's a mechanically difficult maneuver,
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  Speaker 4: no bit of moving.
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  Speaker 3: Your body kind of what you do in other parts
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  Speaker 3: of reality.
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  Speaker 4: Lots of them can't parallel park well. I mean without that,
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  Speaker 4: I can't say mouth yeah. I mean granted, that is
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  Speaker 4: something that I'm afflicted with. That skill comes and goes
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  Speaker 4: for me.
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  Speaker 2: It really does depends. I'm like, oh my god, I'm
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  Speaker 2: I remember.
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  Speaker 4: Everything like, oh, line yourself up here, turn the wheel here,
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  Speaker 4: But if anyone is watching.
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  Speaker 3: Me, do it out the window? No, forget it, No
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  Speaker 3: I will. I'll try ten times while they watch, and
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  Speaker 3: then I'll leave.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. And that is Have you lived in New York? Yes?
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  Speaker 2: But in drive well.
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  Speaker 4: No, obviously, I like, who never should you attempt it?
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  Speaker 4: I had to drive twice when I lived in New York,
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  Speaker 4: and it was this two of the scariest days of
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  Speaker 4: my entire life. But this is the thing I always
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  Speaker 4: say about the differences between you or in LA is
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  Speaker 4: that you know, I would much rather be stuck on
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  Speaker 4: the subway between stations for twenty minutes straight then be
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  Speaker 4: at my destination driving around the block angrily because I
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  Speaker 4: can't find parking, Like I am there, but I can't
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  Speaker 4: be there, right, you know, And it is it's it's
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  Speaker 4: it's like five times.
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  Speaker 2: Is infuriating as being stuck on public transit.
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  Speaker 3: I don't mind the I was just talking about this.
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  Speaker 3: I don't mind kind of especially if it's like a
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  Speaker 3: social event having some time to waste driving around. Oh
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  Speaker 3: you want to run out the clock, Yes, running out
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  Speaker 3: the clock and then getting there was something to complain about.
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  Speaker 2: Feel that's fair, all right?
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  Speaker 3: But I mean I I lived in mid City, LA
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  Speaker 3: for years when I first moved here, and I would
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  Speaker 3: literally have to park half a mile from my house
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  Speaker 3: every day.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: So it was just this parking when I lived in Hollywood.
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: When I first moved here Central Hollywood, I twice had
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: a guy that guys who were coming over from grinder
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: to hookup who aborted the hookup because they were driving.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: They would drive around for twenty plus minutes looking for parking,
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: and when they finally couldn't find parking, they were just like, sorry,
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: let's understand it not worth it now, like physically impossible.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It was terrible. And the the worst part was
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: is I would do this to people and not really
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: warn them because I didn't want them to not of
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: course they simply won't. Yeah.
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: It felt a little bit like Entrapman sometimes because often
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: more often than not, they would come sweaty and angry
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: that they had to drive around so long to find parking.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: But they did it, you know, and there's a little
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: spark then.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they bring a spark that most people don't have
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: because they're about hatred.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Well, I think there is something else we should talk about.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: Okay, you were on the pod cast a few years ago,
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: kind of in the fog of COVID, and the podcast
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: is called I said no Gifts. You brought a gift.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Then it became a little bit of an issue, but
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: we moved on. Oh, I mean, show up today with
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: what from where I'm sitting appears to be a gift.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Well, and you know what, that's sort of in the
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: eye of the beholder, because this, you know, you could
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: call it a gift if you wanted to, or you
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: could say I'm presenting you with something that I think
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: you deserve.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: I like, I'm going to take the second option.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just simply presenting you with something that I
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: think you deserve.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: I'm excited to see what I deserve. This is a dense,
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: heavy it's heavy. It's a kind of a just a
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: regular gift box and a gorgeous striped paper and it's
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: it's heavy, heavier than you would expect.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, Oh, I feel like we're not getting enough tissue wrap.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, give it? What is what are those people
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: called who get aroused by the ASMR pay something like that?
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: It feels good. Okay, I'm just okay, we're reaching in.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, don't worry.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: It's not like a Russian nesting dolls situation. It's the
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: last leg. Okay, we're pulling it out. I really felt
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: like you deserved this.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: What best Comedy Podcast, Bridger, because I know you don't
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: have one of like this.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: You don't have an award of your own like this.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: So I figured that you.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: If anyone deserves Best Comedy Podcast from the Asian American
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: Podcasting Association, it's Bridger.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I've been trying to.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Get this exact work, exactly the Golden Crane. It's been
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: it's become problematic. People are begging me to stop. It
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: is obviously it is something that is close to my heart.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: I want it for along with micho Har.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: She was just and she also not Asian, but still
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: they still gave it to her. And this was for
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: Urgent Care my last podcastrom Ri I P And Yeah,
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: I think that more awards should work like this. You
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: should be able to give your award away. It should
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: be like recognized by the governing board of whatever, like
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: whoever gave.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: You right now, I now am the holder of this thing.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: And that's an easy adjust on the names there, that's
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: an easy adjust, of course.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, of course, this feels almost like the ring or something.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, this is like like meant to be the
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: murder weapon in an Hboius drama.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy that point at the top. This is
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: something you pick up in a ball.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, half the reason I'm giving this to
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: you is because I feel in safe with it.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: In my own home, this.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Would be one of those crazy Hollywood murders, your head
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: getting bashed, Like, I'm going to put.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: That on a shelf on my wall with my other
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: trophies and wards in Quake Country exactly.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. That's crazy.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: But here in the studio, this is gonna be so dense.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I think it's going to look really great and it.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Goes so perfect intimidating because like the guests, most guests
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: are not going to realize they're gonna see this and think, wow,
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: this thing is one and he's want and no more.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: This adds some actual legitimacy to the podcast.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: I feel really good about this. I also know Mitra
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: has hers, so I'm going to try to get just one. Yeah,
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: oh my god, yes that is. I'm going to start
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: collecting this exact trophy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't even know,
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: Like there was no awards ceremony that right, because this
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: was twenty twenty yeah, and it was a during lockdown.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: It must have been, so they must have mailed it
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: to you. I guess that's an expensive thing to mail.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: It's as heavy as heavy and again we cannstiss is
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: enough dangerous?
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Did you like have to do a zoom acceptance speech
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: or anything.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Nothing.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: I think they've instagram messaged me and she said you won,
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: and said that I could be wrong.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: It was very casual whatever it was.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: I kind of like that, a very casual award. So
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: just take all the pomp and circumstance out of it.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Give me the trophy.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Don't drag us everybody through this whole ceremony.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: It's boring. Oh no, no, just let people.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Get it and then they can announce to their friends
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: and family.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Look that I've got.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: I think that that's perfectly fine. So you and Metro
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: probably found out separately.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: They might it might have been a group DM on Instagram.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: It just looks like total spam.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, spam has gone a very It's really gone up
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: on Instagram recently. I'm getting a lot of my friend
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: saw you and she would like to meet, which I
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: think I'm eventually I'm going to dive into one of
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: those and it's going to turn me straight.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: It is so funny that they don't, like, they don't
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: really account for the context of our desires. There's really like, no,
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: there's there sort of a bunch at the wall. I
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: will say it is funny because if you're on like,
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you've heard gay men on the
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: internet complain about this, but there is like a certain
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: kind of gay guy who complains endlessly about the number
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: of trans women on Grinder. Right, Okay, I know it's ridiculous.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: It's ridiculous because in part what they find to be
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: a preponderance is actually statistically quite low. But even still,
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: I found this out from someone that the majority of
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: those profiles are bots. Because what happens is these people
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: who release the bots into Grinder, they do probably an
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: equal number of gay guys and these trans girls, but
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: what ends up happening is the AI that's producing them
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: and knowing which ones to replicate. Gay guys are smart
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: enough to know when they're talking to a bot, and
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: they abort almost immediately, right, they catch on pretty quickly.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Straight men who are looking for trans women to hook
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: up with are not smart enough to know when they're
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: talking to a bot. So what ends up happening is
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: it's this feedback where because the only ones that are
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: successful are the trans profiles, they're creating even more that's
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: amazing because those are the ones that are hitting and
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: so all it's like and even and again I kind
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: of stress is enough even with the fake ones.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: The numbers are so low and easy to ignore. I mean,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: it's I mean like.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: But but the but the reality of it is is
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: that it's even less than what they're complaining about.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: I just don't think the complaining makes zero science.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: It's just like, what are you? You know?
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: It makes your sense to me too. And inevitably the
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: one that the number one retort is always like, well,
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: they should get their own app. And here's the problem boys,
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: is that again, statistically so few of them that there
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: is no like, there's no reason to have an app.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: It's just so crazy to me the things that game
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: in we'll find a complain about.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I feel like we should have kept marriage from us
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: for a long so because they got it, and boy
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: did they a little uppity. Now that we got marriage,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: now we can find some new stupid ship to come.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Oh not enough, not enough, I mean. And the thing
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: is is it could go away at any day, any day. Yeah,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: and I'm I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, you see this,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: it's it's over.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: I'm The thing about bots on Grinder or any kind
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: of dating app is does it lead to like being
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: like I need money.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's like money or like personal information
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: so that they can go and seal your identity stuff
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: like that. Right, But again, I'm a gay guy, so
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: I'm smart enough to have never been caught up in one.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like far down the Road is just so dark. Yeah,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: it is so crazy. But no one is forcing you
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: to talk to anyone on that app right, exactly. That's
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's like I can guarantee you that most
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: of the dolls I know are not looking at you
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: and saying, oh god, I hope, I hope, I no,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: like one of like they probably couldn't even pick you
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: up out of a line. Oh you're a white guy
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: with a fade and a shoulder tattoo and one in
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: a MILLI some five o'clock shadow couldn't imagine who you
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: could be.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: It's so yeah, that sort of thing just drives me.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: And it is that thing of like we assume, as
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: we no longer feel we need to be a part
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: of a big coalition, we feel safe.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Well, it's exactly what you're saying human behavior.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: It's like, oh no, like I don't want to be
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: a part of a coalition that that has that you know,
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: isn't all just made up of people like me exactly up,
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: which is like so historically like anathema to this entire movement.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: It's so crazy.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: There's that kind of no fixing it at this point.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: Well, I could think of a few things, but a
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: lot of them are genocide adjacent.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: You're keeping those from when you run the office. Ah okay,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: so I have this award here, do you have any interests?
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Like is goal wise would you be like I would
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: love to win a like an Emmy or an Oscar
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: or anything, or is that something where it's like if
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: it comes along.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: It is one of those things where, like I think,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: when you're young, you're really like, oh, that would be
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: so cool, and that is a part of the dreamscape
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: of whatever career in the arts.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: You're sort of sketching out for yourself.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: And then you go through a phase I think, or
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: at least I did, where once I understood a little
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: bit more about the mechanics and everything of this industry,
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: I set my sights on much more attainable goals, and
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: I went through a long period where you know, I
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: was had a day job, but was pursuing things in
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: like the best I could have hoped for. The best
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: outcome I could have hoped for for myself was getting
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: a staff writing job, right right right. That was like,
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: if I could make that happen in my lifetime, I
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: will have done it and been fine and and so
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: then like you stop expecting awards, and then I think
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: you do hit another phase where like you get successful
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: enough or certainly when it happens like I got. It's funny,
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: I said in two thousand and fourteen. It must have
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: been thirteen or twenty fourteen. I made my iPhone start
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: addressing me as Golden Globe nominee Joel Kim Booster.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Which is so.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: Funny because even then, in my early twenties, when I
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: had when literally for this bit, I could have imagined
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: any outcome for myself, and the best I could come
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: up with in my wildest dreams was Golden Globe nominee
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Joel Kim Booster.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: And it was so funny.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Whenever someone will find my phone at a party or
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: something and do the thing where they're like, hey, Siri,
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: who are you, it would say like I.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Belonged to Golden Globe nominee Joel Kim Booster. I didn't
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: even know you could do this.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah you could be like you could just
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: ask Suriya, hey, sorry, call me this and and it'll start.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: It'll change your name to that when it when it
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: uses it.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: But yeah, and then for Fire Island, I got nominated
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: for an Emmy all that's right. And it was this
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: funny like sort of like I secreted this into happening
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: in some way because I, for you, for like almost
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: a decade, had my iPhone calling me Golden Globe nomina me.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: But now I'm Emmy nominee. I should change it in
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: my phone. I should change it, you know. Yeah, things
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: will go very quick.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I might have changed it to Emmy nominee after it happened.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: But again, like this is the thing too about this
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: the the phase when you are in the position to
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: be going to award shows and stuff like that, is
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: that like it becomes so incredibly uncool to care, right,
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: you know, right, this is why I'm so grateful to
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: be in a relationship with someone outside the industry, because
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: when I went to the Emmys, like you aren't even
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: allowed to like be excited, because it's like you'll look lame,
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: you'll look cringe. It's embarrassing to care about stuff like that,
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: And like all of my friends who are in the industry,
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: we're all at a level now where it's like, well, yeah,
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: of course it's your job, Like, this is your job,
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: This is a normal part of any of your job.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: You should just you know, take it in as just
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: another day because it's just your job. And then my husband,
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: to his credit, you know, could sense that energy for
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: me at the Emmys and at one point was like, Hey,
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: you've wanted this your entire life. Stop trying to be
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: mister cool guy like pad Malakshmi's standing over there and
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: we watch her on TV.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: This is really cool and allow yourself to feel that.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: And it was a nice level reset because I did
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: then sort of take in the enormity of like even
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: just being nominated at something like this, because again, it's
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: just was so far out of reach for me, or
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: it seemed to be for so long, and now it's
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: like this, I'm in this again, this weird position where
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: it's like, well, if then if I never produce work
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: that gets you know, attention from an award's body, again,
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: am I have?
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: I did I peak? Did I like?
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: And you don't I don't want that to be the
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: way I frame, you know, everything going forward, but it
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: is this now. I'm in the period of my career
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: where it's all about sort of resetting the goalposts and figuring.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Out where they are, because you know.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: I'm very lucky to have achieved as much as I have,
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: you know, in my career. But it is like scary
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: when you're like, well what now totally you know.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: No, I feel like it's I never think passed things
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: working out? Yeah, no, And then when it does, I'm
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: just like, oh my god, what am I supposed to do?
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: Now?
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: This was never a part of the plan.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: Well, And it's interesting too because like we also live
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: in a period now where fame has kind of all
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: but been exercised from the equation for at least people
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: like us, because like, there is no famous person anymore. No,
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: there is no one who is truly famous to everyone
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: on this planet or in this country even there's very
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: few people, like there are no real movie stars being
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: created anymore, Like Timothy Shalla may maybe the last one,
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: and that's even arguable to a lot of people. But
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: at least I feel like most of America knows who
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: that is, or Emma Stone or something like that.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: But yeah, there's just no Like.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: I it's so funny because I'm like, yeah, I'm probably
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: never gonna be famous in the way that I know
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: I imagine fame when I was a kid, because that
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: kind of fame doesn't exist anymore.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: No, you would have I'm trying to think of a
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: way you could even get there. At this point, it
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: seems impossible.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: No, it would have. I talk about a goalpost.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: I would never clear because it's just like the things
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: you have to do is you have to be kind
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: of big in a way that is so broad that
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: I could never see myself being appealing to that many people.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: I'm by like sort of virtue of who I am
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: in the boxes that I check and the things that
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: I'm interested in. Am a niche property and will remain So.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, I guess, shoot, somebody, oh yeah, I
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: think that might be a yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: Everybody knows LUIGIIONI. You know that's not to encourage, but
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: uh oh, we should be careful because now people have
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: been pulled off the air for saying less. You know,
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: I used to say crazy shit online and no one
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: said boo, no one like I got away with murder.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Once upon a time on Twitter.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: I tweeted, verbatim, I will burn Greg Abbot's house to
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: the ground.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: This was after he banned abortion in Texas.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: And literally could not imagine saying that any Republican today,
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, without being arrested on the spot. Now,
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: to be fair, two LAPD detectives did show up to
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: my house the next day and they were like, sir,
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: do you have any plans of driving to Texas and
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: setting Governor Great Abbot's house on fire?
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: And I was like no, and.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: They were like, okay, then why would you say that?
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: And I was like, because it's funny. I was like,
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: the like, the premise of that statement is hilarious that
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: I Joel Kim Booster like sealless gay comedian elder millennial
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: would take the time to drive to Texas to set
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: a man's house on fire.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: That's funny, you know.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: And then they were they both sighed really deeply and
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: were like okay, and then left like nothing happened.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: They've got to hire somebody who like filters these sort
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: of things, because there's a lot of wasted time. Yeah,
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: I remember there's I had a friend who made some
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: sort of threat about killing the president on Twitter and
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: she was visited by secret servants.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like, well, you know, Guy Brandham once wrote something
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: for his school newspaper about Chelsea Clinton and the Secret
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: Service showed up.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: What did he write about Chelsea?
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: You know what?
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: It's not my tale to tell. You'll have.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, but you can imagine, right, you know
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: Guy brand Yes, we all know Guy Brandon. We all
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: know he pops the fuck off without without fear showing
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: up his dorm.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Oh. I would have loved to see that conversation.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Oh my god. Can you imagine the way he would
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: dog walk those secret services?
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Absolutely broken? I feel that way when I just have
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: a nice conversation with guy.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Ah.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Well, I think we should play a game. Yeah, we're
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: gonna play a couple of games. Actually, let's get into this.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: I need a number between one and ten from you.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Uh seven, Okay, I'm gonna do some like calculating. You
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: can promote, recommend, do whatever you want.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: I have not won an award for this podcast. My
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: new podcast, Intimacy Coordinator. It's out via the SmartLess Media network.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: You can listen to it wherever you find podcasts, and
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: it is just simply me sitting down with two or
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: three guests to talk about relationships and love, insects and
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: dating and everything to do with those worlds.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: And we're having a lot of fun.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: And I would appreciate the streams because God knows, I
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: have nothing else going on, as we've previously stated. And
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: really again, if you told me ten years ago that
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: I'd be Emmy nominated but the center of my career
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: would be a podcast, I would have had a lot
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: of feelings about that. Lots of other stuff coming around
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: the pike, though I know it, I feel it, and
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: you could be found online and found online I hate
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: Joel Kim, but you know what, I'm barely on socials anymore.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: I'm on Instagram exclusively to post clips of my podcast,
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: right and then I leave. I don't have the icon
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: on my phone, so I can't. I don't have the
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: phantom urge to like poke at it, you know, New
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: York Times Games and specifically cross Play is now. I
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: spend more like three times the hours on my phone
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: on that app than Instagram's, and it's delightful, the happiest
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: I've ever been in my life. I haven't heard of
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: cross play though, what's this? Oh my god, it's just
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: scrabble that you play with other people on your phone.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: And it is also this.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: It's it's scrabbled, but easier because you don't actually have
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: to know the word exists. You could just sort of
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: place letters and it will tell you if it's actually
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: a word. Like I did not realize that Q I.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: S is a word? What does that mean? Don't couldn't
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: tell you did. I just look at my letters and
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: sort of place the S there and it lit up
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: like it was a word, and now I play it
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: all the coddamn time. Kiss Chris.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: Couldn't tell you the game? I actually I think there
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: is a function that will tell you the definition, but.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: I've never looked at it.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to look this up because I am
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: curious because.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I play against some friends where I'm like, I know,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: you didn't know that was a word. This was sitting
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: in the back of your vocap.
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: You'll put the letters together in a combination that seemed
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: to make sense and it worked out for you, you know,
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: And I've done the same.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Well, I found one definition from something called well my
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: favorite dictionary win every game dot Com. It says it's
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: the circulating life energy that in Chinese philosophy is thought
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: to be inherent in all things. In traditional Chinese medicine,
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: the balance of negative and positive forms in the body
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: is believed to be essential for good health.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: So it's pronounced is it chi? I guess?
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: And this it's the plural, so it's just q qi
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I think chi.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Okay. Interesting, I've been speaking about chi for a long
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: time and I had no idea.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Yes that way.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Maybe I guess you can spell it either way or something.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Is that how it works? I don't know.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: I learned a new word recently that I well, I'm
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: just going to share it because why not. Have you
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: heard of something called bit flipping?
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: No, but I you know there's a I could take
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: a couple of stabs at what it means, but I won't.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: It has Does it have something to do with like
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: someone else who started a joke and then you sort
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: of take it over and try and make it into
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: your own joke.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: That's horrifying, But that is podcast. This is somehow scarier.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: I was reading an article about how a plane over
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Florida just dropped out of the sky for five seconds.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: It didn't crash, but it dropped out of the sky
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: and they could not figure out what had happened to it.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Every manufacturer of every part of this plane looked into it.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: They couldn't figure it out.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: And I learned about the likelihood is that it was
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: a bit flipping, which is space radiation is you know,
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: constantly flying through the planet and occasionally will fly through
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: a computer and we'll flip, just like a one within
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: the code, and we'll make the thing malfunction. Usually it's
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: like a pixel on a screen will go out. But
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: in this case they think that's what happened on this plane.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: That's fucking crazy.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: I feel like if I have to live with that
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: in that everyone does.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Everyone with that, that is so crazy that like, I'm sorry,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: we live in a simulation a real thing. That added
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: to the pile, because that's just crazy and does not
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: feel like it should be a thing. Yeah, that I like,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: we should ground all planes. Yeah, we just anymore.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: If that's even an option, it's against it. Yeah, we
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: just can't do it anymore. I was already struggling with
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: planes whatever. Now that I've just panicked the listener, they
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: were probably just about.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: The plane right now, listening to that. Oh my god,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Let's play a game. First.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: We're gonna play a game called invite lists.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: I love this game. Oh good, you know how it works.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Okay, for the listener who hasn't, I'm going to start
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: naming a list of celebrities. You get to pick ten,
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: you say invited or not invited, and you can tell
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: me why if you want cool.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Once we get to ten, that's the party. Okay.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: Judy Dench invited, John cho and Trent Reznor not invited,
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Kevin Hart not invited, Adele invited, Laurie Grenere.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Mmm, that's tough. You know. If I'm gonna have one
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: of them there, it's not gonna be Lauria unfortunately. Who
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: would have been Barbara?
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: Barbara, Yeah, but not even because I think she's the
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: best shark. But I do think that she'd be the
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: most interesting one to have our own, right. I feel
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: like she's got stories.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: She's got stories, she's a woman of the people. Yeah,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: she talked to anybody. Barbara strikes me as a taker anywhere,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: kind of go total.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: So I know to Laurie not invited, sorry, Laurie, Erica Baudou.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: Oh invited, because I know she's not gonna show up,
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: and if she does, it's going to be right as
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: the party's ending.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: That's a good guest to have somebody that you can
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: just kind of you don't have to worry about prepping
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: food for Anthony Hopkins not invited.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Christina Ritchie just for the second space, not invited, Joan
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Cusack invited, Kevin Costner not invited. Tim Allen. We got
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: a couple. Yeah, wow, uh, not invited. That would be
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: that they're going to their own party.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're already at a party somewhere in the mountains.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Kevin Durant oof not him, not not invited.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Jacob A. Lordie not invited.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Too tall, one of the tallest here, one of our
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: tallest people. Yeah, Sarah Michelle Geller.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: And the thing is is I said no to Christina,
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: so I feel like I have to say no to
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: Sarah too.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: It's only fair, totally fair.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Quentin Tarantino, no party.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: No because I'm a shoes off household and I don't
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: need that energy in my house.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: Wow, that's something I don't think anybody's thought about.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, well, they should be. Everybody that's having him over. Yeah.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Laurence Fishburne not invited, Pete Davidson, No, Hillary Swink not invited.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Man not invited, Stockard Channing not invited, Making the Stallion invited.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: Bobby Flay, Oh invited. I you have no idea my
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: relationship with Bobby.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: What is it.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: I've watched so much of his content on television because
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: when I am on the road touring as a stand
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: up comic, I am in a hotel and I am
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: watching the Food Network on analog. Tell them I'm just
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: thinking about Hotel TV last night.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: It's the best remove choice from my life, absolutely, And
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: I will sit and watch things I never thought I
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: would sit and watch the things I'll be exposed to
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: FX on the weekends.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: You know, my ass is sitting down for Battleship. Okay,
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: and just the last forty five minutes.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't mean the whole thing. It was just
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: fed to you. Yeah.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: I'm bouncing back and forth between Beat Bobby Flay and
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: Battleship on the commercials.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: The best feeling in the war.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: Most of the best. So yes, he's invited, for sure.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: I know way too much about him.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Jane Seymour, Oh, love doctor Quinn, but not invited. There's
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: a lot of Republicans seeming people on this list. Do
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: we think Jane Seymour's Republican? I would venture to guess
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: that she's at least.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Shane who's the other from Touched by an Angel who's
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: married to the horror.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Paul McCartney, Oh, not invited, Get over it.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: Jeremy Brenner, No again, he's going to Tim Allen, Kevin
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: Costner's party.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: They are going to say they're coming and they're not
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: going to show up.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Went on a writer invited? Nick Carter No, not invited.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Oh I have Kevin cost he really wants an invite
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: to this party. Jay Z not invited. Nathan Fielder invited.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: All right, that's nine one left.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: Kate Winslet not invited, Ringo Star not invited, Bill Gates
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: not invited, Donald Glover not invited, Tom Selleck.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Wow, George Lucas invited.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: We go interesting? Yeah, very interesting.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: So many guys that my dad would have loved. Oh yeah,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: at a party truly? Likewise, Wow, that's a good list. Yet,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: remind me who's going to be at this party? Of list?
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Will you tell us who's at the party?
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: I will, All right, it's going to be Judy Dench,
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: John Show that, Adele, Erica bad, Joan Cusack, Meghan the Stallion,
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: Bobby Flay, Winona Ryder, Nathan Fielder, and George Lucas.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be a weird conversation is going to be.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: I mean, Megan and Adele are running the show. They're
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: at the center of the table the show.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: That's just like I'm I'm winding up the Ferby and
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: just letting it gab at that one. That's that's actually
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: my favorite kind of party when I can sort of
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: trust that someone else is doing the social heavy.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: For me to host a party alone, I'll sleep for days.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: I need somebody else handling some of that. Well, you
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: played that game very well. We're gonna play a game
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: called Gift or a Curse, And of course I don't
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: have the document open.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: Well, I'll recommend in the meantime, Yeah, please do diet
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: coke with a little bit of apple cider or vinegar
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: in it. What It's fucking amazing.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: It's the best thing I've ever drank.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Does it have kind of like a lime effect a
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: little bit?
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: It is a little bit of a tartness, but it
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: is like for something about it because you know, a
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: lot of things are alternative, like sweetener is a lot
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: of it is apple cider, vinegar based, depending on the drink,
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: because it's it's it's no, it's very low and it's
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: like good for you, right, but it tastes great. I
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: think you can do it with regular coke too. You
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: can't do it with coke zero.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Oh interesting? Yeah, I wouldn't recommend. How much are you
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: putting in just a splash?
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: I would say, like maybe like a two centimeters worth it.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: I'm so excited.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: My husband puts in a lot more than I do,
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: and I don't. I don't recommend that at least to start, right.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: I like it apple cider and in a diet coke
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: it is so good. Wow, it's not unlike what they
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: do in Spain with like coke and red wine. Oh interesting, right,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: that makes sense. Coke is just a good a better
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: bass flavor than you'd expect. Fascinating.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: Oh what I mean I've learned something today? Thank God. Okay,
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: we're gonna play gift a curse. I'm going to name
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: three things. You tell me if they're a gift to
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: a curse and why, then I'll say if you're right
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: or wrong, because there are correct Okay, all right. This
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: first one is from other surnamed Kristen gift to a
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: curse seafood cobb salad.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: This is so important to know the context of where
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: we're getting this seafood cob salad.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: But I'm gonna say it's a general rule.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: Curse why because seafood in and any restaurant in most
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: places in America is a bad idea. I would say,
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: because like seafood cups salad is screams to me lots
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: of like thirty plus items on the menu. And if
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: I've learned anything from watching Kitchen Nightmares with Gordon Ramsay,
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: it is that any restaurant with more than like say,
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: like a dozen or so menu items something's good.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Like it's not good.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: Most restaurants should not be able to sustain the number
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: of menu items that say, the average diner has, because
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: it's like, how often do you think the seafood copsalad
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: is getting ordered at a diner?
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: How old do you think that seafood is? But it's
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: been frozen for so long and then you're not enjoying like, oh,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've given it away. Cursed and also I
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: just think cop salad, we've we've got, we got to
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: a great place with cops salad. I don't need anything new.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: It's also like the like creamy dressing with shrip.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: I don't know, it seems freemon fish now with a
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: blue cheese too, like ugh.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Textural nightmare. Okay.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: This next one is from a listener named Andrea. A
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: gift or a curse being welcomed to a restaurant by
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: your server, then overhearing your server give the same welcome
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: speech verbatim to nearby diners who were seated after you.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna say gift because I think it releases you
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: from trying to form a connection with your server, because
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: that's the pressure that I feel when I go out
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: to restaurants and I have a moment that I think
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: is a genuine individual moment between me and the server,
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: and then I go, oh, God, now I have to
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: maintain this connection through the entire meal.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: And to hear that, I would go, oh, he's just
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: doing his job. He's not interested in a friendship with me,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Thank god, because I have the position has been filled.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: I have too many.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: Already adult friendship yeah correct, Okay, yes, I absolutely think
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: this is a gift. I like, I just I need
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: a barrier. I need to know that this is your coming.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: You're going to doing your job professionally. I'll be getting
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: my food on time. And I'm glad that they're not
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: being treated any better than me.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's the same with the guys on rentmen.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: You know you're coming, You're doing your job, that's all
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: we need.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Okay, finally, this is from a listener named Douglas. Gift
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: a curse when you are the planner of your friend group.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: Okay, wow, I'm gonna ultimately say this is a gift
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: that it often is mistaken for a curse, you know,
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: if the person sees it as a gift or a curse,
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: depending on how they came to that position, Because this
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: is a position that is often thrust on people by
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: less organized, more lucy goosey flakes onto the just sort
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: of grading on that curve the most responsible of the bunch,
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: not taking into.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Account their desire for the role.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: This is also often taken on by someone who does
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: not want to leave it up to those yahoos and
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: crazy people to plan the vacation, because you know what
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: kind of vacation you're going to get if you allow,
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: you know, Matt to do all the planning. And so
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: I am oftentimes the planner of my group and the
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: organizer of my group, and I think I do a
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: really good job, and I really I as stressful as
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: it can be.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: I would rather have it done by me correctly. Yeah,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: And it just kind of comes naturally, or do you. Yeah,
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: and I and I volunteer distribute. It was not thrust
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: upon me. So like I knew what I was getting into.
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: I knew the downsides that would come along with the role.
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: But I still weighing that against the you know, idea
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: of ending up at you know, a drag brunch in
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: you know, New Orleans.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Would I would much rather have control wrong curse.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, this is the last thing in the world I
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: will Yeah.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I mean I did give the reasons for both.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: You're making yourself the target every I mean everything that
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: goes wrong. I mean, how could I possibly enjoy anything
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: that's planned. I'll just feel the responsibility if I get
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: If I look at my phone and it has more
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: than six texts, I shut down.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're very different people, because for me, if something
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: goes wrong, then even better, I get to be a martyr.
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: I get to be a victim, and that I think
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: is that's a very good, greatest feeling. That is a
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: very I'm not giving you the point, but that's an
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: excellent defense. I'm always looking for reasons to be the part.
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: We got two out of three.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Not too bad. I feel good about it. Elis, do
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: you have a gift to a curse? Today? I can
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: have one one moment.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: Ellis is going to now do one for both of us,
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: and we'll both answer. Then they have the correct answer.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Who decides the listener? You kind of the.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: Universe, got it? It's kind of just true.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you know what I mean.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: Objective, there's kind of just no arguing I'm whether what
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: I say is correct or not.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: It's just I'm a conduit essentially, all right.
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: Gift or a curse? A grown man playing air guitar?
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Hmm, that's a curse.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: Why because I don't need to know about the everything
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: that didn't happen in that man's life to bring him
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: to this place, and that it just is like it
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: is like that sentence, a grown man playing air guitar
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: is for sale.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Baby, She's never.
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: Worn to me because it tells a full story without
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: you know, but economically, you know, you just like it's
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: it depresses you, it makes you sad, and you don't
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: need to know further details about it for that.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: To be true. I'm going to say gift.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: I think that if that's a short story, it's a celebration.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: I'm happy for this person. I think it's a thrill
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: and good for him, good for him for is rocking out.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: It's a gift, yes.
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: Because I think if more grown men were playing air guitar,
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: we'd have a lot less problems in.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: That they'd be doing keep their hands busy with air
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: guitar rather than whatever else they're getting into.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: You know what.
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: I agree ultimately, I and framing it that way fully agree.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that really makes there's competitions, you know, oh yeah,
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: and the people are like they're actually good.
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: It is one of those things where you look at
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: somebody who's doing it at a competition level and you're like, okay,
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: well this is art.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: It's like, oh that's something that I didn't imagine could
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: be good.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, certainly, not something that you felt like someone could
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: make seem difficult, right.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: You know, it feels like everyone should just be able
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: to it is on the same level. It seems like
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: sort of the appeal of air guitars that anyone.
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: Could doesn't require the years of training that guitar requires
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: from you.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: But ultimately it's mine. Yeah, that's true. More it's Comedia
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: dell ar.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's answer this her question really quickly. People are
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: writing into I said no gifts at gmail dot com,
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: and then I end up kind of responsible.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: For their lives.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: This says, what would you get as a gift for
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: a man who is turning forty five, does not want
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: additional clothing and is specific about what he wears, watches
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: his caloric intake, and has enough disposable income to get
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: anything he fancies.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: That's from Rita. I'm an excellent gift giver. Are you
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: really really?
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: I mean I've yeah, im bodied my husband every single
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: year that we have been doing.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: What are you getting in with gifts?
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: I commissioned a piece of art in this style of
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: his favorite comic book artists as of him as a superhero.
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, I flew in. When he first moved
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: to La from San Francisco. I surprised him by flying
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: in his two best friends from San Francisco.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Taking them out with and surprising him with that.
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: Our first date was at a piano bar in San
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: Francisco called Martuoni's, where it's very like, very simple. You
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: just go up, you tell the piano player what you
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: want to sing, and you sing it. And we both
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: sang songs to each other that night. And he's always
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: lamented the fact that La doesn't really have a bar
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: like this, right, and it's always and even the idea
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: of it's kind of a nightmare in La because it's like, yeah, exactly,
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: because the charm of it in San Francisco is this
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: girl who is getting her life singing define gravity is
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: a project manager. Yes you know like that, she's not
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: trying to make it. So I rented out a bar
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: the Dresden and in Las Fields in hired a piano
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: player and surprised him with all of his friends from
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: San Francisco and like across the country and our friends
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: here in La. And we had a full night of
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: where we got to have our piano bar.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: This is unbelievable.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: And meanwhile he's making you crash your car.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: I got him voice lessons.
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: With a Broadway vocal coach because he's not I mean
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: he used to sing a lot, but then he had
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: node surgery, and he's said the same thing that happened
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: to Julie Andrews happened to him, and so he's he
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: has to relearn how to use his voice and he's
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: always singing.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: And so I got him that.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: And it almost feels like you're playing a mental game
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: with Yeah, I want to destroy Yeah, exactly. So you're
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: very good at giving gifts. This guy's turning forty five.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: You do experiential, That's what I think.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: I think you go experiential right like after thirty I
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: think you hit a like object.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it gets really difficult.
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: No, Yeah, I can't think of many like things that
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: I've given like my nieces and nephews, I pay for
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: the karate.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: Classes for the last few years's and stuff like that.
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: Like obviously, like he probably is not interested in karate classes,
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: but like if you can think of something you know
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: he's an interest of his, or even something that he
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: already does, and think of a fun way to present
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: it to him. Yes, it's aphemeral, Yes it may not
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: have the lasting value as a sweater, but I think
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: a lot of people like when they know that you
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: put more thought into it than as simple like he
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: likes this, I'll buy him this, right, And it's more
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: it requires a little bit more second.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Third thought thinking.
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: I think they appreciate it kayaking trip, kayaking trip lessons
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: and something that he's interested in learning. I mean it
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: requires The thing about those gifts too, is that it
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: requires a knowledge of what the person likes and is
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: interested in. That's not always apparent in a superficial relationship.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: And I think that you could really surprise somebody by
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: giving them something that seems like something they almost wouldn't
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: even think of wanting to do.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: Well, and I will say this so my husband for
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: my first birthday when we were together, he sort of
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: as a joke, sort of legitimately, my favorite song of
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: all time is the Never Enough Remix circuit remix from
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: Greatest Showmen, a song that was the backing track famously
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: to that fistfight that happened in Mikinos between those two
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: gay men. But I always go on about how I
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: love this song and how silly it is. And he
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: for our first for my birthday, our first year together,
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: he contacted people that I did not even know he
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: knew about friends from all across my life, in every
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: across the world, from different periods of my life. They
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: all dressed like me and danced like me while lip
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: syncing that song, and he made us he cut it
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: together and like it was at once like the most
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: amazing thing, but also just to see how different friends.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Approached the source.
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: So it's like such a funny window into their psyche too,
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: like who they are as people, and it's it's I
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: fell to my knees and and cried because I was
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: like this, no one has ever thought about.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: Me so overwhelming.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so she gets him the official soundtrack Greatest Showman
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: Soundtrack on CD.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: I think that's the perfect gift for Burnett burn It.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: Don't even get them the rich because then it seems
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: more personal.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: All right, you can write right on it. Wow, to
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: have a CD Burner, My god.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: That was the culture for so oh should have I
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: think that that was so many things that death kept
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: for Coody Cutie. Transatlanticism burned for me by Blake Miller
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: in the seventh period, and that changed the course of
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: what music I like. Yeah, of course, yeah, we need
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: to get back to burning CD.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: I bet that's gonna we'll circle back to.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: This something less meaningful about a playlist on Spotify if.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: It's a very low lift.
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a very I like putting together a playlist,
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: but it requires almost nothing of you.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: Well, we answered.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: Rita's question more than perfectly. I've won an award. The
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: podcast is kind of leveled up just within the I.
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: Think you're I think you could probably get like a
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: queer to or a glad How do you do that?
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: You're like, send a coupon in the mail. I think
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: it's just sort of sort of no. I listen.
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: I am appreciative of every piece of attention and press
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: I have gotten because of those awards, but it is
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: sort of like you just have to be around long
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: enough as a gay person.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: You've just gotta do not fuck it up.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just campaign by being a gay person.
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: Is because I mean, honestly, sometimes that feels like enough
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: to persevere and simply exist in this industry.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, started on my life. My life is
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: harder than everyone else's. So I deserve a Queer to
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: You award exactly Queer to You Committee reach out. I'm
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: so glad you could come to me.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: I'm so glad too.
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: I've been wanting to come back on this since I
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: did it on Zoom, as I want to redo everything
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: that I did on Zoom.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: Likewise, those were some bad days for just being a person.
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: I came out of the pandemic and with the most
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: severe writer's block that I then blamed on my medication,
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: and I was like, I can't write anything, no new ideas.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: It must be the medication.
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: Little not even thinking that, oh, you were just inside
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: for a year in stasis with not really living a life,
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: like of course you had writer's block, and like, why
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: It's one of the many dumb decisions I've made in
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: my life, was blaming it.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: On the medication. Stay off Reddit when you have questions
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: about what may or may not issue.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: Yes, well, you're welcome back anytime, and it is an
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: award winning show, so it's worth coming around.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Thank you for being Thank you for having me.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: Listener, I'm done talking to you. I feel like you've
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: got to figure something out as usual, and I believe
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: you'll be able to. Can you feel the blood sugar
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: just dropping in my body?
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: Get going?
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: I love you, goodbye, I said. No Gifts is an
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: exactly right production. Our senior producer is Ellis Nelson. And
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: our episodes are beautifully mixed by Ben Holliday. The theme
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: song is by Miracle Worker Amy Mann. And we couldn't
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: do it without our booker, Patrick Cottner. You must follow
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: the show on Instagram And I said, no gifts. That's
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: where you're going to see pictures of all these wonderful
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: gifts I'm getting. And don't you want to see the gifts?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: The line man? Did you hear?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: Funa man? Myself perfectly clear? But yere, I guess my home.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: You gotta come to me empty? And I said, no, guests,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: your own presence is presents enough. I already had too
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: much stuff, So how do you
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: Dare to surbey me