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Police Minister Kate Worden explains the government’s new measures to address crime in Alice Springs · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: But we know that the Northern Territory government yesterday well
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Speaker 1: they said that they acknowledged the current level of crime
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Speaker 1: and anti social behavior in Alice Springs is unacceptable and
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Speaker 1: must improve. Now They through the Social Order a response
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Speaker 1: team or sort driving a coordinated approach across all sectors,
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Speaker 1: they say, in an effort to improve social order throughout
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Speaker 1: Alice Springs. And joining me on the line right now
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Speaker 1: to tell us a little bit more is the Minister
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Speaker 1: for Police and also Territory Families, Kate Warden.
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Speaker 2: Good morning to your minister. Good morning Katie, Minister.
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Speaker 1: Obviously quite a bit to this announcement yesterday and a
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Speaker 1: lot for people to get through. But are you able
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Speaker 1: to just tell us sort of very briefly exactly what
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Speaker 1: the plan is here through sought?
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Speaker 3: Sure. Oh, thanks for having me on because it was
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Speaker 3: a big day yesterday. Because you'll remember, I think I've
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Speaker 3: spoken to you previously. We had Jeanette Ker leading a
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Speaker 3: body of work for the bout the last nine weeks
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Speaker 3: down in Alice Springs and she's pulled together a plan
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Speaker 3: and she's worked with stakeholders about the sorts of responsibilities
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Speaker 3: and the sorts of things that we need to see
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Speaker 3: changed in our springs and the culmination of that plan
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Speaker 3: was yesterday. We've released the plan, but we've also had
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Speaker 3: the first group coming together. I think they're being called
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Speaker 3: a control group, but they're more sort of that advisory
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Speaker 3: groups come together. They agreed yesterday on their terms of
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Speaker 3: reference and that included Matt Patterson, the mayor from Alice Springs,
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Speaker 3: Graham Smith from Literative, the GCA were there, NIBA were there.
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Speaker 3: We had seen the people from territory, families and police,
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Speaker 3: and so that's what it was about. Yesterday's pulling them
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Speaker 3: together and making sure we had all of the very
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Speaker 3: most seen the people in town together at the table.
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Speaker 3: And they are now agreed on their terms of reference
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Speaker 3: and the plans. And there's a race of lead agencies
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Speaker 3: in the plan. So there's some work to be done
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Speaker 3: around making Alice Springs based stone lighting, those sorts of things,
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Speaker 3: but there's also about improving community patrols and there's different
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Speaker 3: agencies that have responsibility for each one and those things
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Speaker 3: are now being have some of them have already been started,
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Speaker 3: but those will be enacted going forward, and they have
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Speaker 3: the lead agency will need to report back to the
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Speaker 3: meetings every fortnight but also then there'll be a report
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Speaker 3: on progress to Cabinet once a month.
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Speaker 1: And look, I think it's incredibly important because there needs
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Speaker 1: to be some change in this space. I mean, we've
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Speaker 1: spoken at lengths with residents in Alice Springs, with different
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Speaker 1: groups in Alice Springs, like like Tourism Central Australia.
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Speaker 2: We've spoken to the.
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Speaker 1: Chair Carl earlier in the week after he was allegedly
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Speaker 1: punched in the face in the Coles Complex at eight
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Speaker 1: am in the morning. I mean, a minister was how
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Speaker 1: did you feel when you'd heard that, you know, the
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Speaker 1: chairman of Tourism Central Australia, the person who you know
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Speaker 1: is out there advocating for tourists to travel to the
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Speaker 1: Red Center, had been assaulted in that way.
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Speaker 3: Well, it doesn't matter if it was Carl or if
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Speaker 3: it was anyone else, Katie, absolutely abhorrent incident and this
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Speaker 3: is what we're working towards. I did have spoken to
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Speaker 3: Carle myself yesterday. I reached out him because I want
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Speaker 3: to just you know, one inst the check in that
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Speaker 3: he's okay and to have a chat with him about
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Speaker 3: the sorts of things. And he obviously the TCA is
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Speaker 3: represented on this Daniel Roshford is there at the table
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Speaker 3: and fully invested in what we're doing with what we're
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Speaker 3: calling the sort in our spring. So, you know, absolutely
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Speaker 3: not good enough. And this is part of the plan,
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Speaker 3: is to make sure that we're addressing it, but just
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Speaker 3: not you know, I think there's a lot of finger
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Speaker 3: pointing that goes on, Katie, and everybody says, you know,
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Speaker 3: you should be doing this, and you should be doing that.
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Speaker 3: This is what the real change is with here. Here
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Speaker 3: are the very senior leaders that are sitting together at
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Speaker 3: the table. They all live locally. You know, there's nobody
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Speaker 3: I'm not sitting at that table driving this. Yesterday they
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Speaker 3: elected their chair and Matt Patterson's the the Alaphin's Town
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Speaker 3: council mayor is you know, put a hand up and
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Speaker 3: said I want to be part of it and I
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Speaker 3: want to drive this. So there's a lot of you know,
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of really good will at that table
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Speaker 3: to make a change. But the whole plan is around accountabilities,
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Speaker 3: who's the lead and making sure we report that regularly.
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Speaker 3: The other really good thing in this plan, Katie, that
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Speaker 3: I should mention is it's a living plan, so as
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Speaker 3: things progress over the weeks and the months, because it's
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Speaker 3: not just short term this is but keeping the momentum going.
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Speaker 3: You know, there may be other things that they can
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Speaker 3: consider that would be practical solutions. Perhaps there's new issues
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Speaker 3: of emerge and that I made that group here into
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Speaker 3: opening remarks to them yesterday, and and well, a.
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Speaker 1: Couple of those, A couple of those I guess I've
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Speaker 1: already been raised this morning because we have already had
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Speaker 1: Daniel Rochford on the show this morning and also the
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Speaker 1: mayor Matt Patterson. Now I know that they're both you know,
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Speaker 1: like you've touched on there, they're obviously part of this
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Speaker 1: and they are both you know, very keen to see
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Speaker 1: at work. A couple of the things though, that they
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Speaker 1: have raised is that they're concerned that there needs to
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Speaker 1: be something immediate happening straight away in terms of you know,
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Speaker 1: seeing either security patrols.
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Speaker 2: On the streets.
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Speaker 1: Is what Daniel Rochford had said, is that something that
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Speaker 1: the government is prepared to look at.
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Speaker 3: Here some stuff in the plan that started a priority
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Speaker 3: around that improving and coordination. There are a lot I
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Speaker 3: think I was down there when not you know, at
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Speaker 3: least twenty services out or different patrollers out groups each evening,
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Speaker 3: but what we're doing under the plane is making sure
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Speaker 3: that they are we've got the hot spots covered. Nobody's
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Speaker 3: assuming that you knows that tell us is that in
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Speaker 3: a particular hotspot or the police.
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Speaker 1: You just seem to have cut out their minister for
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Speaker 1: some reason. We seem to have lost you on that phone,
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Speaker 1: can hear me very scratchy hopefully all right, Hopefully we've
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Speaker 1: got you again now. So so there are plenty of
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Speaker 1: services around the place, by the sounds of things, and
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Speaker 1: different patrols, but at this point in time, I mean,
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Speaker 1: I guess what we're hearing from both TCA and also
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Speaker 1: from the mayor at this point is is what's currently happening.
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Speaker 1: And I get that there's that commitment from the sort
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Speaker 1: and from everybody for this to change, But what they're
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Speaker 1: saying is that they need something immediately like tonight.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely. So what we've done is we have changed the
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Speaker 3: way that the patrollers work. The patrollers are actually out
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Speaker 3: each evening. Instead of meeting in an office somewhere, they're
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Speaker 3: meeting actually out in those hot spots, and they are
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Speaker 3: co ordinated so that we know that those hot spots
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Speaker 3: are being covered. I've also requested police, and police have
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Speaker 3: assured me that we're increasing our you know, our foot
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Speaker 3: patrols of police, not in cars, you know, but foot
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Speaker 3: patrols out on segue through those hot spots. So somebody
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Speaker 3: said to me today, oh, you know, we haven't seen
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Speaker 3: a great deal of them in the mall during the day,
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Speaker 3: but that might be that they're not that's not the
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Speaker 3: hot spot. But we have seen an increase of them
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Speaker 3: through places like Iparinya, and I have directly asked the
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Speaker 3: police to make sure that we have got an increase
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Speaker 3: of police patrols because that's within my purview. Yes, but
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Speaker 3: there are other patrollers that are out there and we've
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Speaker 3: coordinating them. We've got the youth patrol going out at
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Speaker 3: the same time. We're making sure that they've got school
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Speaker 3: engagement officers with them now as well, and we've bought
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Speaker 3: can gear their patrollers in for the first time. So
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Speaker 3: there's a much more coordinated and strength and efforts going on.
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Speaker 1: And so is there any plans to have those Is
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Speaker 1: there any plans to have the security like what we've
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Speaker 1: got here in Karama and also Malac, because that's specifically
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Speaker 1: what Daniel Rochford had called for this morning, Katie.
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Speaker 3: I have said this before. Tell Us have been a
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Speaker 3: security patrol in our springs, well before we had security
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Speaker 3: patrols up here. All that happens is we squeeze the
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Speaker 3: balloon and it pops out. These problems pop up elsewhere.
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Speaker 3: So whilst we're doing and increasing the patrollers, what we're
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Speaker 3: also doing is the outreach and that's the important component
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Speaker 3: that will make a very big difference in spaces you can't, Sime, Minister.
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Speaker 1: I guess what I'm trying to wrap my head around
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Speaker 1: here though, is you've literally got Tourism Central Australia saying please,
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Speaker 1: we need immediate feet on the ground. You know, why
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Speaker 1: can't we have patrols like what we've got in Karama
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Speaker 1: and Malaxo. Do you get that the optics are very
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Speaker 1: bad that we're prepared to do it in the northern suburbs,
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Speaker 1: but we're not prepared to do it in Central Australia, Katie, the.
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Speaker 3: Only difference between the patrols here and the patrols in
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Speaker 3: Alice Springs is muzzled dogs. These dogs cannot arrest people
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Speaker 3: and they I made this very clear yesterday. They are
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Speaker 3: a deterrent, and all that does is move a problem
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Speaker 3: to another place. So what we've got is we've got
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Speaker 3: a huge amount of patrollers now working in a coordinated
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Speaker 3: way in Alice Springs. All I'm saying to you is
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Speaker 3: you need to give us a go in this approach.
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Speaker 3: We are making sure that our patrollers are in those
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Speaker 3: hot spots at the right time. I've asked for an
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Speaker 3: increased police presence. We already have the three Knines down
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Speaker 3: in Alice Springs with the police. We are not at
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Speaker 3: this point in time putting muzzled dogs in as a deterrent.
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Speaker 3: That just pushes the problem somewhere else.
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Speaker 2: Why not, I mean, why not trying?
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Speaker 1: We think the government keeps saying we're prepared to listen
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Speaker 1: to the different ideas that people have got, But then
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Speaker 1: when people have ideas, it doesn't actually seem like you are.
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Speaker 3: Katie we have. What we're doing is we're doing the
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Speaker 3: sort which has an incorporate a better patrolling network. Any
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Speaker 3: given evening, we've got at least twenty groups out patrolling.
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Speaker 3: We need to make sure that they're in the hotspots
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Speaker 3: at the right time. So it makes no difference.
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Speaker 2: We're twenty different groups that are patrolling. If we've got
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Speaker 2: twenty different groups that are patrolling.
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Speaker 1: Why on earth are we in the situation that we're
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Speaker 1: in right now?
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Speaker 2: Does the government acknowledge.
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Speaker 1: That's something that like that things are not working, whether
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Speaker 1: it's in Alice Springs or whether it's in Dahwin, Like,
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Speaker 1: the approach that's happening at the moment is not working.
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Speaker 3: So you've just gone back and said the approach is
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Speaker 3: not working. Yet we've got dogs that approach is not working, Katie.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you've been to any of the
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Speaker 3: other shopping centers in and around Karama. So all that's
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Speaker 3: happened in around Karamas, we've displaced people into other spaces.
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Speaker 3: This is not the way that I want to work.
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Speaker 3: This is not the way that the sort wants to work.
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Speaker 3: We are interested in immediate responses, which we're doing already.
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Speaker 3: We're coordinated on the ground and doing that work already.
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Speaker 3: And I think Katie, you need to give us a
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Speaker 3: bit of time. You will see improvement.
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Speaker 1: Minister, just give you a bit of an update on
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Speaker 1: some of what people are saying at the moment as
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Speaker 1: we're as we are talking, I've just had a message
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Speaker 1: that's come through that said, give us a bit of time.
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Speaker 1: You've had six years is you know, is one of
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Speaker 1: the messages that's come through. You know, others are just
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Speaker 1: messaging through about the different incidents you know, that have
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Speaker 1: gone that have occurred just in recent days. You know,
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Speaker 1: people are really fed up. And I understand what you
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Speaker 1: are saying. I understand giving something like sort a go is.
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Speaker 1: We're all hoping that it works. And you know, even
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Speaker 1: for us up here in the top end, I think
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Speaker 1: that everybody's hoping that it works. But the point that
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to make is that you know, you've got
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Speaker 1: the likes of tourism Central Australia, also got the mayor
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Speaker 1: even talking about, you know, potentially opening a facility or
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Speaker 1: having kids that aren't safe going out to the boarding school.
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Speaker 1: Are you prepared to look at some of those different things.
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Speaker 3: So that issue that you've just raised, that's another issue
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Speaker 3: that we are working on around working through the legalities
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Speaker 3: around safe sleeping people places for young people. Because I
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Speaker 3: made this point this morning with the ABC actually that
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Speaker 3: if you take a young perposon off the streets, you
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Speaker 3: actually can't detain them unless they've done a criminal activity.
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Speaker 2: But if they're not say don't we have a duty
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Speaker 2: of care.
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Speaker 3: So that's what we're working through the legalities of where
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Speaker 3: we can put a young person at night to keep
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Speaker 3: them safe. But what I'm saying to you is that
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Speaker 3: you cannot detain them in that safe space. So we
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Speaker 3: have to work through how we traverse that the guidelines
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Speaker 3: between territory, families and police. That work is well underway.
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Speaker 3: I spoke about that at lengths with Matt yesterday. We
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Speaker 3: do have some spaces in and around our springs that
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Speaker 3: we could put young people in the evening if we
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Speaker 3: find them out repeatedly.
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Speaker 2: So that is something that looking at area, you.
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Speaker 3: Cannot detain them. If they've done nothing wrong. You cannot
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Speaker 3: detain young people. So we need to work through this
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Speaker 3: and we are we're doing that work. I'm not saying
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Speaker 3: that the SORT is everything that we're working on. There
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Speaker 3: are things that are working that we're working on well
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Speaker 3: beyond this, and as I said, new things can come
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Speaker 3: into this. What the SORT is is a commitment, is
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Speaker 3: a commitment to make sure that we're addressing all of
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Speaker 3: the underlying issues and working together in the same direction.
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Speaker 3: There is a very strong spirit of goodwill and we
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Speaker 3: are I think there's a you know, there was a
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Speaker 3: great deal of hope yesterday that this plan will take
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Speaker 3: us forward. The issue here is we need to make
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Speaker 3: sure it continues to get driven forward and we don't
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Speaker 3: just drop the ball in a month or two months.
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Speaker 1: I think that that is certainly something that everybody wants
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Speaker 1: to see.
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Speaker 2: Minister.
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Speaker 1: We are We're fast running out of time, so I'm
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Speaker 1: just going to have to push along. I apologize now.
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Speaker 1: I know that up here in the top end there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of people concerned. Well, earlier this week, you know,
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Speaker 1: we had spoken to the young fella who's here doing
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Speaker 1: his apprenticeship training from Alice Springs, second year apprentice. He
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Speaker 1: had his Pride and Joy, his land cruiser that he's
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Speaker 1: paying off at secondhand stolen.
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Speaker 2: Not only was it stolen and used then.
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Speaker 1: Allegedly in that ram raid out at Berry Springs, but
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Speaker 1: it was also then stolen from the police compound out
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Speaker 1: at what Air a second time and written off. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that is just an example of some of what people
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Speaker 1: are going through. Unfortunately, you know, that's not a one
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Speaker 1: off that we're hearing about once a month. It seems
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Speaker 1: to be something that we are hearing increasingly often.
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Speaker 2: Minister how Luck, what is the plan for the top end?
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Speaker 3: So there are obviously some specific issues around people that
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Speaker 3: have drifted in from communities, and the story that you've
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Speaker 3: just told, Katie is a very good example of that,
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Speaker 3: and the police to acutely aware and working hard to
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Speaker 3: see different ways that they can attack that plan can
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Speaker 3: attack that issue what we're doing here in the top end.
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Speaker 3: Jeanetker is now in a role ongoing to lead a
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Speaker 3: social order response team in response to Casarina and the
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Speaker 3: Northern suburbs. That's our next area we're going to. We'd
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Speaker 3: recognize that there are some issues. We've seen how this
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Speaker 3: plan can work in our springs. We've seen how we
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Speaker 3: can pull a plan together like this and get everybody
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Speaker 3: in the same page and going in the same direction.
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Speaker 3: We're going to do the same for Casurina and the
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Speaker 3: surrounding northern suburbs because it is my hope, Katie, that
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Speaker 3: we will not need those short term solutions around police
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Speaker 3: and sorry security and dogs. We need to be able
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Speaker 3: to have something in place going forward that replaces that
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Speaker 3: and attacks the root of the problem, doesn't just keep
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Speaker 3: perpetuu waiting it and moving it into other areas. So
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Speaker 3: we're starting that work that started on Monday for Casarine
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Speaker 3: and I know that as a whole group of stakeholders
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Speaker 3: that are really excited about that. We've got some specific
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Speaker 3: issues in around Casharina that once, once for all need
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Speaker 3: to be addressed. We need to make that a safe
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Speaker 3: space for people. And we've got issues around some people
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Speaker 3: sleeping rough in and around areas, and that's where all
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Speaker 3: the way up to you know, Jingly water Park. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: we've got those sorts of issues up in around Maluk
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Speaker 3: and Kurama. So we started on that journey here and
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Speaker 3: taking that same approach which has some very immediate outcomes
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Speaker 3: that moving through to some very longer term outcomes.
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Speaker 1: Minister overall, have you got any plans to meet with
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Speaker 1: those business owners that I know have met earlier in
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Speaker 1: the week, some of them ram rated, others subjected to
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Speaker 1: crime in different ways. Have you got any plans to
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Speaker 1: meet with them to sort of to hear the issues
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Speaker 1: that they are going through at the moment in terms
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Speaker 1: of you know, I guess being able to even operate
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Speaker 1: you know, the situation even out at Berry Springs where
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Speaker 1: then you've got the two you know, two staff members
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Speaker 1: hiding in that office is horrendous. While you know, while
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Speaker 1: that ram raid's going on, and while there is a
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Speaker 1: number of offenders sort of you know, going through that building,
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Speaker 1: it's frightening to think that there were young women in
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Speaker 1: that office.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Katie, and I'm not walking away from the fact
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Speaker 3: that those issues are and those instances are not good enough,
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Speaker 3: but there has to be some hot spot work. There
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Speaker 3: needs to be a police response, and I know in
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Speaker 3: those instances there is a police response. That's broader issue
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Speaker 3: about people that have drifted into town and activities that
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Speaker 3: you know, we need to make sure that we're addressing.
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Speaker 3: And I have conversations with the police around that, and
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Speaker 3: they are addressing those issues. A look, as we speak,
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Speaker 3: there is a broader issue here, and I have to
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Speaker 3: tell you also, Katie, my officers reached out and spoken
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Speaker 3: to the organizer of that. We weren't aware that that
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Speaker 3: was going ahead until after it had occurred. But absolutely
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Speaker 3: always willing to engage with businesses and we respond to
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Speaker 3: everybody that comes and lets us know that there are issues.
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Speaker 3: But this is about making sure that we've got a
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Speaker 3: coordinated way that addresses things in the shorter term, but
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Speaker 3: also addresses the underlying issues that are plaguing us here
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Speaker 3: at the moment.
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Speaker 1: Minister, we have had a few people say to us
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Speaker 1: over recent weeks, why isn't the government treating this crime
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Speaker 1: crisis in the same way that they treated COVID, you know,
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Speaker 1: with that same level of urgency.
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Speaker 2: What would you say to those people?
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Speaker 3: We are we have a lot of urgency around these issues.
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Speaker 3: Police are doing their absolute best. Our jails are absolutely full, Katie,
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Speaker 3: and I think that that's the point that people are missing.
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Speaker 3: Police are doing their job. They are arresting people for
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Speaker 3: doing the activities. We need to get more into the
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Speaker 3: prevention space and that's the work that I'm doing. I
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Speaker 3: would assure people that we are taking a new approach
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Speaker 3: and you need to give us a chance for this
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Speaker 3: to have a bite, and that work is now occurring
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Speaker 3: and I expect that this is the approach that we
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Speaker 3: need to do. But it needs to be local solutions,
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Speaker 3: including local people, all working together with government. And that's
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Speaker 3: where I've taken people.
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Speaker 2: Minister, Are you treating it like it's a crisis?
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Speaker 3: Absolutely? Treating it like we need to ensure that there
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Speaker 3: is some urgency around addressing these issues. It's not a
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Speaker 3: day goes by that we are not treating this with
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Speaker 3: some urgency, but we have to address Katie, the underlying
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Speaker 3: issues around why people are escalating and behaving in this way.
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Speaker 1: Minister Kate Warten, I really appreciate your time this morning.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for speaking with me. No doubt we'll talk
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Speaker 1: again very soon.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and Katie, I can make a commitment to the
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Speaker 3: you that as we get go forward and we see
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Speaker 3: things change, I'm always happy to talk to you about
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Speaker 3: it to make sure that we also get the information
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Speaker 3: out to people. They're not just getting, you know, their
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Speaker 3: updaily updates from Facebook. It's really important that people understand
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Speaker 3: the efforts that government is making and the community is
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Speaker 3: now making in this regard.
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Speaker 1: Look, I appreciate that, and I know it can get
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Speaker 1: a bit fiery. We appreciate you coming on and speaking
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Speaker 1: to us. I too think that it's very important that
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Speaker 1: you know that people are aware of exactly what's happening.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, thank you for your time.
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Speaker 1: Thank you,