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Will Smith, Forgiveness Debates, and Body Image and Oprah Discussions with the Crew · All About The Joy

• 0:00
  Carmen Lezeth: Hey everyone, welcome to all about the joy.
• 0:03
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm not having technical difficulties, but clearly some other people are, but that's okay.
• 0:11
  Carmen Lezeth: So hopefully Andrea is going to be able to come back.
• 0:13
  Carmen Lezeth: Cynthia, welcome, hi.
• 0:14
  Carmen Lezeth: Nice to see you again, rick.
• 0:16
  Carmen Lezeth: As always, my friend, we're waiting for Tommy.
• 0:19
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know if he's going to log on today.
• 0:21
  Carmen Lezeth: He said he wanted to be on the show and Andrea, oh, oh my God, tommy, I didn't see you.
• 0:26
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm so sorry, Hi.
• 0:28
  Carmen Lezeth: I just joined just like a second ago, or were you online for a long time?
• 0:32
  Tommy Lee: No, just a second ago.
• 0:34
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, so speak amongst yourselves.
• 0:37
  Tommy Lee: Let me just text Andrea, because walk amongst yourselves, walk, walk while forming desert.
• 0:44
  Tommy Lee: Gets puppy, puppy.
• 0:48
  Tommy Lee: Where's the puppy?
• 0:50
  Rick Costa: No, right behind him.
• 0:51
  Tommy Lee: No, it's not puppy, it's pain in the ass puppy.
• 0:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh my God, you got your hair cut.
• 0:55
  Tommy Lee: It looks so good, I started my new job this week.
• 0:59
  Carmen Lezeth: Thank you, oh my God, how did it?
• 1:01
  Tommy Lee: go.
• 1:02
  Tommy Lee: Well, let's just say I can't report.
• 1:05
  Tommy Lee: I had my one on one with the big, the big boss today and she's like I've heard nothing but good things about you.
• 1:14
  Tommy Lee: And then after that meeting I had another team's meeting with the recruiter and we're down.
• 1:22
  Tommy Lee: One person in our Fall River office Okay, she said she got 90 applicants for that position, the position you have.
• 1:30
  Tommy Lee: Yes.
• 1:32
  Carmen Lezeth: Yes, okay, wait, let me introduce you because you know what I made an assumption, because I know Cynthia loves you and everything.
• 1:38
  Carmen Lezeth: Cynthia, tommy, tommy, cynthia and then Andrea.
• 1:43
  Carmen Lezeth: This is Tommy Lee.
• 1:45
  Tommy Lee: Hello Andrea.
• 1:46
  Carmen Lezeth: Hi Andrea.
• 1:48
  Carmen Lezeth: What we were trying to say to you but you logged off too quick was you should just use your phone.
• 1:52
  Carmen Lezeth: That's what Cynthia and Tommy are using.
• 1:54
  Carmen Lezeth: It's so much easier.
• 1:55
  Tommy Lee: Easier.
• 1:56
  Carmen Lezeth: And it just becomes really clear, and then we can hear you Sorry, love you but not doing it.
• 2:02
  Andrea Nunez: There is no app.
• 2:03
  Carmen Lezeth: No, there's no app.
• 2:04
  Carmen Lezeth: You just go to the link.
• 2:05
  Carmen Lezeth: I love you, but what?
• 2:07
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh my God damn stream.
• 2:10
  Carmen Lezeth: So I can't see you in edit.
• 2:12
  Carmen Lezeth: Thank you, bitch.
• 2:13
  Carmen Lezeth: Like what are you?
• 2:13
  Cynthia Lopez: talking about.
• 2:16
  Andrea Nunez: I just assumed it was like an app and it was like a whole thing.
• 2:19
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah so, Tommy Lee this is my best friend, the one who just said why I'm not downloading an app.
• 2:29
  Tommy Lee: I love you, but yeah, I love you, but I'm not downloading an app.
• 2:34
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, but we're back to looking up at your nose, which you said you didn't like.
• 2:39
  Tommy Lee: I know, hold on, I have to fix my other.
• 2:41
  Tommy Lee: My other thing was seriously, you would think this was the first time we're streaming people.
• 2:45
  Carmen Lezeth: What the freak Like?
• 2:48
  Carmen Lezeth: How are we going to have conversations?
• 2:51
  Andrea Nunez: I'm just in a different location.
• 2:52
  Andrea Nunez: This is not my fault.
• 2:55
  Carmen Lezeth: All right, why do you throw?
• 2:56
  Carmen Lezeth: It's okay, anyways, okay, so go on, tommy Lee.
• 2:59
  Carmen Lezeth: So you.
• 3:00
  Carmen Lezeth: They had 90 applicants.
• 3:03
  Tommy Lee: So yeah.
• 3:03
  Tommy Lee: So the recruit was like so, do you like it here?
• 3:06
  Tommy Lee: She's like I know it's only been day four and everybody in human resources has been out and you've been kind of trying to hold down the fort by yourself or maybe with one other person and I was like no, no, no, it's great, I really like it a lot.
• 3:18
  Tommy Lee: She's like really.
• 3:20
  Tommy Lee: And I said, yeah, why?
• 3:21
  Tommy Lee: And she's like well, because we were nervous that you weren't going to like it, but we've heard nothing but good things about you.
• 3:26
  Tommy Lee: So I just took that job and I unposted it and took all those 90 applicants and put them on the back burner, just in case you want to stay after.
• 3:36
  Tommy Lee: I'm only a contract for five months.
• 3:41
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, but five months, and then you know she's going to have to take care of her children.
• 3:45
  Carmen Lezeth: That she's having right Because it's maternity leave, and then they're going to like you better.
• 3:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Then they're going to give you a.
• 3:51
  Carmen Lezeth: They're going to then give you a raise and a new position.
• 3:55
  Carmen Lezeth: You'll be her boss.
• 3:56
  Carmen Lezeth: That's the way it works.
• 3:58
  Tommy Lee: Well see, I went, I got to them through an agency, so they're actually paying the agency and the agency is paying me right yeah, but they like, they low balls me and I was like, oh, hell to the no.
• 4:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, you know how that works.
• 4:12
  Carmen Lezeth: You know how that works, so they're paying the agency quite a bit of money.
• 4:16
  Carmen Lezeth: Now, andrea used to work in recruiting, so you know right so that my agency worked with them.
• 4:23
  Tommy Lee: I work in human resources, but I've worked with this agency on both sides of the table, either as working with them to recruit people or if I needed a job and they would help me find a job.
• 4:35
  Tommy Lee: So they said you know what we're going to make up the differential.
• 4:38
  Carmen Lezeth: The agency is paying the differential for what I said to what you should be getting, which is like that's huge, that's huge, I have never heard of them doing that.
• 4:48
  Tommy Lee: I've never heard of that either, ever.
• 4:51
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, congratulations, that's awesome.
• 4:53
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm so happy for you and, and I hope, it's just a great experience.
• 4:56
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, so I actually want to talk about a few things.
• 4:59
  Carmen Lezeth: Today, I think I sent you all an email with a little bit of information.
• 5:03
  Carmen Lezeth: So, whether or not you watched or even liked the hip hop 50th anniversary thing of a jiggy, what I was letting you all know is that at the end the I mean it wasn't a surprise we all knew Will Smith, dj Jazzy, jeff and the Fresh Prince were going to end the show by playing some of their favorite or our favorite hits or whatever, but also the ones that want that one them their their first Grammys, and they were the first group to win Grammys that were in the hip hop genre, so that's why they had lent the show.
• 5:34
  Carmen Lezeth: So my question was because I thought it was interesting.
• 5:37
  Carmen Lezeth: I didn't know how I felt about it.
• 5:39
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know how you all felt about it, but while I was watching it live, when he came on, I was a little bit sad, like I was enjoying the music because the song Summertime is so good.
• 5:51
  Carmen Lezeth: But all of that music, you know, brings you back, okay.
• 5:54
  Carmen Lezeth: So here's the question how do you guys feel about Will Smith at this point in time.
• 5:58
  Carmen Lezeth: I was surprised that everybody really embraced him.
• 6:01
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know how I feel about it.
• 6:03
  Carmen Lezeth: It was hard to not enjoy the music and I started thinking like why am I so still thinking about it?
• 6:09
  Carmen Lezeth: You know about what happened at the Oscars and why does it matter anymore?
• 6:14
  Rick Costa: I mean I didn't watch it, but I saw like highlights of them Because on one of the platforms I use it was like hashtag Will and what's the other?
• 6:24
  Rick Costa: Dj Jazzy Jeff.
• 6:26
  Carmen Lezeth: DJ Jazzy Jeff.
• 6:27
  Rick Costa: And so I was like, oh, what's that about?
• 6:28
  Rick Costa: I didn't even realize.
• 6:29
  Rick Costa: And then I was like, oh yeah.
• 6:30
  Rick Costa: And they were like that's my jam.
• 6:32
  Rick Costa: And people get all excited and like, oh my gosh, I love these songs.
• 6:35
  Rick Costa: I remember just bringing it back and everybody was so happy and they're like, yeah, that's how you end up.
• 6:39
  Rick Costa: Was it at the end that they did that?
• 6:41
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, they came out at the end, they ended.
• 6:43
  Rick Costa: Yeah, they were like that's how you end it.
• 6:44
  Rick Costa: So I was like, oh, that's cool.
• 6:45
  Rick Costa: I didn't even think about the slap or anything.
• 6:49
  Rick Costa: I was just like, oh cool, he's doing what he used to do.
• 6:51
  Rick Costa: I didn't even think about it.
• 6:53
  Carmen Lezeth: So didn't even phase it all, cynthia.
• 6:56
  Cynthia Lopez: I think he's probably trying to redeem himself and just bringing back the good memories that people had of him by doing all the old songs.
• 7:04
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, no, he had to do the old song.
• 7:06
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, he didn't have to, but the whole point was he was the first hip hop artist to win a Grammy, so they asked him to come back for that reason, because it was a big deal.
• 7:15
  Carmen Lezeth: It was the 50th anniversary of hip hop.
• 7:17
  Cynthia Lopez: Yeah, I didn't watch it, but I don't know.
• 7:20
  Cynthia Lopez: I think he's trying to redeem himself, I think.
• 7:24
  Cynthia Lopez: But I think the damage is kind of done.
• 7:26
  Carmen Lezeth: How do you feel about him, though?
• 7:27
  Carmen Lezeth: You say the damage is kind of done Like will you go to a movie of his in the future?
• 7:31
  Cynthia Lopez: I mean, I probably would, but I think that his whole persona, or like the way people just see him now, is just a little different.
• 7:40
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah.
• 7:41
  Carmen Lezeth: Tell me what you think.
• 7:43
  Tommy Lee: I agree with Cynthia to a certain degree.
• 7:45
  Tommy Lee: I'm all about forgiving and forgetting.
• 7:48
  Tommy Lee: I'm all about giving second and third chances.
• 7:50
  Tommy Lee: I think this is well twofold.
• 7:52
  Tommy Lee: I agree with you, carmen, that, yeah, it was the 50th anniversary first one to win the Grammy, so it only makes sense to have him come back, but I also think that was also a redeeming moment for him.
• 8:05
  Tommy Lee: I think you're going to have the people that are you know it's.
• 8:10
  Tommy Lee: You're going to have the people that like him, that are always going to like him.
• 8:13
  Tommy Lee: You're going to have the people that are going to dislike him because of the Academy Awards, and then you're going to have those people in the middle that could be swayed either way.
• 8:23
  Tommy Lee: Like okay, like, like I I'm like.
• 8:26
  Tommy Lee: Do I think what he did was wrong?
• 8:28
  Tommy Lee: Yes, Is he trying to redeem himself?
• 8:31
  Tommy Lee: Yes, Give the guy a break.
• 8:32
  Tommy Lee: At the end of the day, he's still extremely talented.
• 8:38
  Tommy Lee: I think if he comes out with another blockbuster movie, people are going to sway more to liking him.
• 8:43
  Tommy Lee: That's my thought process.
• 8:46
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, I think for me because I was just thinking about this and this kind of goes with everything else in my life.
• 8:52
  Carmen Lezeth: When I think about forgiveness, I think part of the problem for me is Chris Rock hasn't forgiven him.
• 8:58
  Carmen Lezeth: Not that it's any of my business, you know what I mean.
• 9:01
  Carmen Lezeth: But Chris Rock went on a rampage with that whole, you know, with his old comedic thing or whatever, and he had every right to do whatever he wanted to do.
• 9:08
  Carmen Lezeth: And I think for me there was almost like there was no ending to it.
• 9:13
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 9:13
  Carmen Lezeth: So it's still lingering, so I can't let it.
• 9:15
  Carmen Lezeth: So I, so I haven't forgotten about it.
• 9:17
  Carmen Lezeth: Look, there are people like Robert Downey Jr, right, who we all revere because of Iron man, and people forget that Keanu Reeves was hated in the beginning of his career.
• 9:29
  Carmen Lezeth: I think for me there's that part of it that I know Chris Rock is not done with it.
• 9:33
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 9:34
  Carmen Lezeth: Like I think that's the other part of it.
• 9:36
  Carmen Lezeth: And then I loved him because I thought he had you know the way his persona was all about.
• 9:43
  Carmen Lezeth: He always had these words of wisdom, remember, he was always doing like these life uplifting, life coachy type of things, and you had this idea of him not having a perfect life but having his stuff together.
• 9:56
  Carmen Lezeth: And boy was that shattered on.
• 9:59
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, I know he's human, but it was just bad.
• 10:02
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm listening.
• 10:03
  Carmen Lezeth: Can I add to that though?
• 10:04
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, go ahead.
• 10:06
  Tommy Lee: Now I don't know if this is true or false or just you know, like the National Enquirer trying to find bad press, but I read something that him and Jada have not been together for a long time, They've been separated and they kind of have an open marriage and yeah, I have no idea, it's too much info.
• 10:27
  Tommy Lee: Their persona is like this perfect, happy married couple, and it's not.
• 10:33
  Tommy Lee: And then?
• 10:34
  Tommy Lee: So what's true and what isn't?
• 10:37
  Carmen Lezeth: I think it's too much info to tell you like I don't want to know all that.
• 10:41
  Tommy Lee: I don't want to know what goes on in their personal life.
• 10:43
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't really care, yeah but we all know, because they've put it out there, Well see that's my points, like, especially after that.
• 10:52
  Tommy Lee: why would you add something else on top of that?
• 10:55
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, I don't know.
• 10:58
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, oh, you mean for him doing the show.
• 11:00
  Tommy Lee: No, for you know the whole thing about the two of them being separated and having an open marriage and like why would you?
• 11:09
  Carmen Lezeth: Because she keeps talking about it?
• 11:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Because she had a book, she wrote a whole book, and that's like.
• 11:14
  Cynthia Lopez: Every time some type of secret or anything about the relationship comes out is because there's a book coming out, or she's promoting her Facebook live, her red table talk show or something, or she's promoting her kids.
• 11:29
  Cynthia Lopez: Whatever they're doing, there's always something behind every type of secret that she lets out.
• 11:36
  Tommy Lee: I think it's her.
• 11:37
  Tommy Lee: Honestly, if I had to point a finger at somebody, I'm gonna point it at her.
• 11:41
  Tommy Lee: Even though I know there's three more pointing back at me.
• 11:45
  Tommy Lee: I'm still like y'all know-.
• 11:47
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, no, no, no, no.
• 11:48
  Carmen Lezeth: Like to me it's more about like I'm more upset that my enjoyment of him is filtered through something.
• 11:55
  Carmen Lezeth: It's damage, you know, and it's kind of like I told Rick before, when we were watching X-Files back in the day I loved X-Files.
• 12:02
  Carmen Lezeth: I would change my schedule because back then it wasn't about re-streaming.
• 12:06
  Carmen Lezeth: And I remember being in love with the show and then having to hear that they were fighting about salaries.
• 12:13
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 12:15
  Carmen Lezeth: And I remember David DeCovne was threatening and he ended up leaving because he wasn't getting paid what he wanted or whatever, and I was like done with the show because it was too much information, you know.
• 12:24
  Carmen Lezeth: But my real question is it's not even really about them too, but like well, what does forgiveness mean to you?
• 12:31
  Carmen Lezeth: That's where I really wanna start.
• 12:32
  Carmen Lezeth: What does forgiveness not about Will Smith, but in our own lives what does forgiveness mean?
• 12:39
  Cynthia Lopez: Yeah, it's just being able to move on from the situation and having that space in your mind not eat away at you, just kind of letting it go.
• 12:48
  Carmen Lezeth: I think that sounds good, but can we actually ever really do that, can I?
• 12:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Mm-hmm, you don't have to raise your hand, oh my God.
• 12:59
  Tommy Lee: I'm gonna say this to you Eight years later after my divorce, I'm still struggling with it.
• 13:05
  Rick Costa: Ooh.
• 13:06
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, because there were things that were said and done to me that most people would say are unforgivable.
• 13:14
  Tommy Lee: And that's my struggle, because the things that were done to me anybody would say were unforgivable.
• 13:21
  Tommy Lee: But I try to look at it in a different way, like Cynthia said, and I'm gonna piggyback off of what you said.
• 13:30
  Tommy Lee: That was a part of your life, that happened to me, whatever happens to you in your life for that reason, to get you to where you are today.
• 13:39
  Tommy Lee: So maybe that setback was to get me to where I am today.
• 13:45
  Tommy Lee: So I don't know if I can forgive that person.
• 13:49
  Tommy Lee: I don't regret, I'm not angry, I just I'm living with it.
• 13:56
  Tommy Lee: Right, it's like when I never had to wear glasses before and all of a sudden my eye turned 40 and I needed glasses to read.
• 14:03
  Tommy Lee: So now I live with that and truthfully, I know that sounds funny, but that's how I equate it.
• 14:12
  Tommy Lee: Oh, that was good.
• 14:14
  Carmen Lezeth: That was good.
• 14:15
  Tommy Lee: You know?
• 14:16
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I know, I love that, rick.
• 14:18
  Carmen Lezeth: What do you think about it?
• 14:20
  Rick Costa: So if you can be in the same room as that person that really hurts you and not be freaking out, then you've probably gotten to the level where you can say you've forgiven them.
• 14:32
  Rick Costa: Now I don't believe in forget, because you can't forget.
• 14:35
  Rick Costa: Like, what do you do?
• 14:36
  Rick Costa: Scrub your brain Like it's there.
• 14:38
  Rick Costa: You can't not remember what happened to you.
• 14:40
  Rick Costa: But if you could be in the same room with them and not be steaming mad and thinking about it, then you probably reach forgiveness.
• 14:47
  Rick Costa: Me when I grew up I hated my dad's guts, like I hated him.
• 14:52
  Rick Costa: He was one of the reasons I wanted, why I wanted to kill myself.
• 14:54
  Rick Costa: He was the main reason, honestly, and I hated his guts.
• 14:58
  Rick Costa: And then I got to the point where like, okay, I gotta forgive.
• 15:00
  Rick Costa: You know, I had the whole religious awakening thing, but then it was hard.
• 15:04
  Rick Costa: But then eventually I got to the point where I'm like, okay, and I could see, okay, alcohol.
• 15:09
  Rick Costa: And then he had no alcohol for a few years because the doctor said your body's so messed up we might have to cut your leg off.
• 15:15
  Rick Costa: And my dad's dad did have his leg cut off, so that freaked him out.
• 15:21
  Rick Costa: So he stopped drinking, he stopped smoking.
• 15:23
  Rick Costa: He was a good boy for a few years and then I was like, hold up, this is literally an entirely different person I'm dealing with now.
• 15:32
  Rick Costa: And I was like this is what I could have had if he didn't drink all the time.
• 15:35
  Rick Costa: So then I kind of separated alcohol dad and I was like I hate the alcohol.
• 15:42
  Rick Costa: I don't really hate my dad, I hate what the alcohol made him to be.
• 15:46
  Rick Costa: And so then that helped the forgiveness process.
• 15:48
  Rick Costa: And then, yeah, then by the time you know the time went on, then I was fine, I like I mean.
• 15:53
  Rick Costa: But again, you can't forget, it's in your brain, you have a memory.
• 15:55
  Rick Costa: But yeah, if you could be in the room with a person and not be freaking out, then you've probably forgiven.
• 16:01
  Rick Costa: If you're still, then you're still forgiven.
• 16:05
  Carmen Lezeth: All right, so Can you do that again please?
• 16:08
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, Two things Topic for next week.
• 16:13
  Tommy Lee: We're here now, I know, but I just want you to put this right down, put it on the back.
• 16:19
  Rick Costa: Put a pin in it.
• 16:21
  Tommy Lee: Where did I go?
• 16:22
  Tommy Lee: Like Rick just gave me that, like, oh Jesus, I thought it was Mariah Carey for a minute.
• 16:32
  Tommy Lee: If you can be in a room with a person and not freak out, that's forgiveness.
• 16:40
  Tommy Lee: Do you know how much that means to me?
• 16:43
  Tommy Lee: Because that's what I think.
• 16:45
  Tommy Lee: If I ever had to be in a room with Scott, like I picture like having to go to a wake or a funeral or something, and there I am walking in and there he is with his 12-year-old boyfriend I don't know who's going to be I'm obviously going to jail.
• 17:03
  Tommy Lee: He's going to be in the casket next to the person along with his boyfriend, happily ever after, or, and these scenarios run through my head and I'm like, could I just be like?
• 17:13
  Tommy Lee: Oh hi, nice to see you.
• 17:17
  Carmen Lezeth: Cynthia, when he just said about being in a church, do you know what I thought of when I was walking?
• 17:23
  Carmen Lezeth: So I'll tell the story.
• 17:26
  Carmen Lezeth: But it just threw me for a minute, so let me just finish quickly.
• 17:31
  Tommy Lee: Oh, go ahead.
• 17:31
  Tommy Lee: So, rick, thank you, because you just gave me the answer that I've been searching for.
• 17:37
  Tommy Lee: I can be in a room with that person and I can be civil and be an adult and be kind.
• 17:47
  Carmen Lezeth: You'll be surprised as to how it happens is what I was going to share with you.
• 17:52
  Carmen Lezeth: It's kind of a similar thing.
• 17:54
  Carmen Lezeth: I have people in my life that I've dismissed completely.
• 17:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Cynthia knows who they are and I had to go to a funeral.
• 18:00
  Carmen Lezeth: Was it a funeral or a wedding?
• 18:01
  Carmen Lezeth: It was a funeral and I went to the funeral and it's right before the ceremony and I'm walking towards the altar.
• 18:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Cynthia, where were you?
• 18:11
  Carmen Lezeth: You were with them.
• 18:12
  Cynthia Lopez: I was right behind you.
• 18:13
  Cynthia Lopez: And I was walking like strutting my ass and down that aisle like actually owned the place, not just because she was all like yes, the lady is a trap.
• 18:23
  Carmen Lezeth: No, no, but it's for the white.
• 18:25
  Carmen Lezeth: Yes, in a Catholic church.
• 18:27
  Carmen Lezeth: I was just being whatever and they came in through.
• 18:33
  Carmen Lezeth: I could see them in the corner and it's people I hate and do not talk to loathe, and I knew they were going to be there, but and I don't know.
• 18:45
  Cynthia Lopez: Cynthia, you could take over the story from there but Cynthia made me that strut turned into a very slow walk.
• 18:51
  Cynthia Lopez: It was like slow motion and I just came up behind it and I said I saw that.
• 18:58
  Carmen Lezeth: Because all of a sudden, now you're in a new reality.
• 19:01
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what?
• 19:02
  Tommy Lee: I mean, I guess you don't know until your face, until you're in it.
• 19:06
  Tommy Lee: But you know what?
• 19:08
  Carmen Lezeth: You become cordial, and I was cordial and nice, I even hugged them and you know what I mean and you do the proper thing.
• 19:14
  Carmen Lezeth: I shouldn't say I hate loathe, but at the time you know what I mean.
• 19:17
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't really talk about them, except right now.
• 19:20
  Carmen Lezeth: That was just funny Because then Cynthia, afterwards we talked and she was like, oh my god, the whole thing changed.
• 19:26
  Carmen Lezeth: She was walking in and then all of a sudden, all of you they had walked in the door.
• 19:32
  Carmen Lezeth: It was no, yeah, I don't know, but I actually don't believe in the cliche of forgiveness, so I'm just going to say it that way.
• 19:42
  Carmen Lezeth: I actually don't believe that actually has to be a thing.
• 19:45
  Carmen Lezeth: I think there are things that people say over and over and over again and then we all just believe it Because Oprah said it or whoever said it.
• 19:55
  Carmen Lezeth: I can still be angry with people who left me on the street.
• 19:58
  Carmen Lezeth: I can still be upset about that.
• 19:59
  Carmen Lezeth: Now, does it affect my every day?
• 20:01
  Carmen Lezeth: Absolutely not.
• 20:02
  Carmen Lezeth: Hi, tony.
• 20:03
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't have to chat on sweetheart, so they can't see you.
• 20:07
  Carmen Lezeth: I can, but I just wanted to put this on the camera, let you know.
• 20:11
  Carmen Lezeth: I got a phone call of peppermint schnapps in your honor.
• 20:16
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, when Andrea said it was cheers, I'm actually not drinking it, but I had to get it?
• 20:25
  Tommy Lee: It's soda water and a wine glass, because my dishwasher's full, so it's on.
• 20:31
  Carmen Lezeth: I can drink it out of here.
• 20:32
  Carmen Lezeth: But when Andrea said last week and I could not stop laughing when she said how did you say it?
• 20:39
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm sorry, andre, but you said it's the wine cooler of whiskey, I was like I have got to try it.
• 20:46
  Carmen Lezeth: But I also wanted to just let Tony know that everyone is welcomed here, white women like Andrea.
• 20:55
  Carmen Lezeth: Thank you for representing Christians like Rick and also people who drink peach schnapps.
• 21:01
  Carmen Lezeth: Be who you is, tony.
• 21:06
  Carmen Lezeth: Be who you is, and I'm not going to let it go because I had to deal with a certain word for like two years.
• 21:12
  Carmen Lezeth: So that's going to be my thing now and I'm going to bring it up however I can.
• 21:15
  Andrea Nunez: I was wondering if peach schnapps was going to show up.
• 21:18
  Andrea Nunez: Oh yeah, it's going to show up every week.
• 21:21
  Carmen Lezeth: He's in the house.
• 21:21
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what's funny?
• 21:22
  Carmen Lezeth: It's funny that I even bought it, Like I actually bought it.
• 21:27
  Andrea Nunez: When you said that the funniest part is that's not even actually what he was drinking.
• 21:33
  Carmen Lezeth: But I know he was drinking Crown Royal, but it was peach schnapps, it was the peach one.
• 21:37
  Carmen Lezeth: Peach schnapps is different than whatever he had.
• 21:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Andrea, I know, I know, I know what peach schnapps is right.
• 21:43
  Carmen Lezeth: I did it on purpose.
• 21:48
  Tommy Lee: They have a different one.
• 21:49
  Tommy Lee: All I can see is 12-year-old Carmen in front of me and I'm like put that bottle down your head, ok wait.
• 21:57
  Carmen Lezeth: I told Rick that next week on the show we're going to have Jerry and you.
• 22:02
  Carmen Lezeth: I told him it cannot be a Carmen Fest, it cannot be oh it's going to be a Carmen Fest.
• 22:08
  Tommy Lee: Oh, but we're not doing the show.
• 22:10
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm not going to be on the show.
• 22:10
  Carmen Lezeth: You and Rick and Jerry can talk, because that's it.
• 22:14
  Tommy Lee: I talked to him the other day actually, he told me yeah, what You're not going to.
• 22:18
  Tommy Lee: He's like yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:19
  Tommy Lee: He's like what day?
• 22:19
  Tommy Lee: I said I don't know you tell me what works for you.
• 22:22
  Carmen Lezeth: I already told him it's next week, so anyway, it's OK.
• 22:24
  Carmen Lezeth: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, so Going on.
• 22:26
  Carmen Lezeth: Let me go back to the forgiveness thing.
• 22:27
  Carmen Lezeth: So I think it's OK to let people walk away or make a decision that toxicity is not supposed to be in your life.
• 22:35
  Carmen Lezeth: That's a whole different thing.
• 22:36
  Carmen Lezeth: Do I forgive people?
• 22:39
  Carmen Lezeth: I wish them well.
• 22:41
  Carmen Lezeth: I feel like this forgiveness thing is more in my life, a Catholic thing that I have to do or I'm supposed to do.
• 22:49
  Carmen Lezeth: And OK, if forgiveness means letting people live their life and wishing them well and not having them in my life, then I've done it well, but I don't forget and I don't like those people and I think that's OK.
• 23:03
  Carmen Lezeth: That is OK 100%.
• 23:07
  Tommy Lee: OK, you don't have to forgive and you certainly don't have to forget, but, most importantly and this is just my thinking of it you don't have to have bad people in your life that are going to bring you down.
• 23:20
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, exactly.
• 23:21
  Tommy Lee: And sometimes you just need to let people go Right Regardless of what they did, and if you try to retaliate, that just makes you worse.
• 23:31
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh no, Then that's the thing, Then you haven't let it go, then you've got to let it go.
• 23:36
  Carmen Lezeth: That's the Rick thing, no.
• 23:40
  Tommy Lee: Like, the best thing you did was to say, OK, I'm taking down the comments, Because that individual was clearly looking to push buttons.
• 23:47
  Tommy Lee: Oh yeah.
• 23:48
  Carmen Lezeth: Right.
• 23:49
  Carmen Lezeth: But now unfortunately now we're getting other comments.
• 23:52
  Carmen Lezeth: So, hi, brian, and you guys can't see them.
• 23:55
  Carmen Lezeth: It was just because nobody else was commenting yet, because it takes people time to get here.
• 23:58
  Carmen Lezeth: But, andrea, I mean I could put the comments back on, but now there's not going to be any comments.
• 24:03
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm going to put them back on, andrea.
• 24:05
  Carmen Lezeth: Welcome, hi.
• 24:08
  Andrea Nunez: Sorry, wait a minute, my space Hi.
• 24:13
  Carmen Lezeth: Hi, yeah.
• 24:13
  Carmen Lezeth: What are you going to disturb Walter if you answer questions?
• 24:17
  Andrea Nunez: I kicked him out for a little while.
• 24:19
  Andrea Nunez: Ok, so I have a little bit of time, but there's probably a second comment.
• 24:26
  Andrea Nunez: Yes, andrea.
• 24:28
  Carmen Lezeth: Wait.
• 24:28
  Carmen Lezeth: How do you feel about forgiveness, Andrea?
• 24:35
  Andrea Nunez: I would say I think I feel pretty similar to how you described it right, Like I mean, you know me, I can't.
• 24:45
  Andrea Nunez: There are certain things I can't let go.
• 24:47
  Andrea Nunez: Ooh, oh, oh.
• 24:49
  Andrea Nunez: I'm gonna keep that between me and you, but yeah, no.
• 24:53
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't.
• 24:54
  Andrea Nunez: Well, everybody already knows that story.
• 24:56
  Andrea Nunez: But I'm the same way, yeah, but I do.
• 24:59
  Andrea Nunez: I mean I can let people go and wish them well and, frankly, not really think about them again.
• 25:06
  Andrea Nunez: You know what I mean.
• 25:07
  Andrea Nunez: Like that's, and if that's what we want to call forgiveness.
• 25:10
  Andrea Nunez: You know I'm not like walking around carrying like hate in my heart for them.
• 25:14
  Andrea Nunez: But if I talk about, maybe, a situation, I can still be mad about it, I can still get worked up about it or whatever, but I'm not thinking about them every day In a situation where, you know I have forgiven people in the past few and far between, like a real, actual forgiveness.
• 25:32
  Andrea Nunez: That's something that I come to on my own.
• 25:35
  Andrea Nunez: It's a case by case basis and you know I will actually have that conversation and see if the relationship can move forward.
• 25:42
  Andrea Nunez: But you know sometimes I can't and that's fine.
• 25:45
  Tommy Lee: You know.
• 25:45
  Tommy Lee: Well, going back to what Andrea just said, when I said put it off for next week, can you forgive somebody and then, if they come back and do it again, what do you do?
• 25:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh no, oh God, I have a three time rules.
• 25:56
  Carmen Lezeth: It's like baseball, yeah.
• 25:58
  Tommy Lee: Oh, my God.
• 25:59
  Carmen Lezeth: You get three times.
• 26:00
  Carmen Lezeth: After that you're done, you're out of my life and you can ask many people who no longer talk to me, who hate me, how many times I'm done.
• 26:06
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm done three times, yep, that's how I am.
• 26:10
  Tommy Lee: I give you three chances and that's it.
• 26:11
  Tommy Lee: I even do it at work.
• 26:12
  Tommy Lee: First time, I'm gonna give you a verbal warning.
• 26:14
  Tommy Lee: Second time, you're getting a written warning.
• 26:16
  Tommy Lee: Third time, you're out the door.
• 26:21
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm gonna get a verbal warning from Tommy about my friend.
• 26:25
  Cynthia Lopez: It's a written one, Andrea.
• 26:26
  Cynthia Lopez: How about me now?
• 26:28
  Carmen Lezeth: Cynthia, what about you?
• 26:29
  Carmen Lezeth: What about you?
• 26:29
  Carmen Lezeth: I almost want to answer for you, but go ahead.
• 26:32
  Cynthia Lopez: Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
• 26:34
  Carmen Lezeth: No, no, no, you forgive everybody, you are nice.
• 26:37
  Carmen Lezeth: No, actually I know you want me to bring up some examples Just to tell you guys, I think it's different between families and friendships.
• 26:46
  Carmen Lezeth: Yes, okay, that's, and you know what I'm talking about.
• 26:50
  Rick Costa: Yeah, that's a good question.
• 26:52
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't differentiate.
• 26:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Family would be a good word.
• 26:59
  Andrea Nunez: I fear more on being forgiving of my friends and my family.
• 27:04
  Tommy Lee: Now see, andrea, I'm the opposite.
• 27:07
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, wait, we gotta let Cynthia talk, because I interrupted her first.
• 27:09
  Carmen Lezeth: Go ahead, cynthia.
• 27:11
  Cynthia Lopez: Oh no no, I'm just.
• 27:13
  Cynthia Lopez: It is different with family and friends.
• 27:15
  Cynthia Lopez: Like when I become friends with people, I'll tell them like I can be your best friend.
• 27:25
  Cynthia Lopez: I could be your ride or die, but you fuck me over once and I'm done.
• 27:29
  Cynthia Lopez: Family is a little different.
• 27:31
  Cynthia Lopez: Yeah, friend one and done.
• 27:36
  Tommy Lee: So here's my question to you Do you say that because you can choose your friends, but you cannot choose your family?
• 27:43
  Cynthia Lopez: Oh, you can still choose your family.
• 27:44
  Cynthia Lopez: Go ahead.
• 27:45
  Cynthia Lopez: I taught her well.
• 27:46
  Cynthia Lopez: I taught her well.
• 27:46
  Cynthia Lopez: I taught her well.
• 27:46
  Cynthia Lopez: I taught her well, I taught her well.
• 27:48
  Cynthia Lopez: It's just, in my case, like I have a very small family, so I don't see them that often.
• 27:56
  Cynthia Lopez: There's a couple I talk to almost every day, but I tend to keep my distance.
• 28:03
  Cynthia Lopez: If they've wronged me or done or sent anything wrong to me, I keep my distance.
• 28:09
  Cynthia Lopez: Like I said, I'll still be cordial with them, I'll still.
• 28:13
  Cynthia Lopez: If we go out to dinner or whatever, I'll be fine, but I won't interact with them as much as I will another family member.
• 28:20
  Carmen Lezeth: See, and I wouldn't even step foot in and have dinner with people.
• 28:22
  Carmen Lezeth: That pissed me off.
• 28:23
  Carmen Lezeth: I just won't even do it.
• 28:24
  Carmen Lezeth: See, that's what I mean.
• 28:25
  Carmen Lezeth: You're able to do that.
• 28:27
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm like you messed up with me.
• 28:29
  Carmen Lezeth: I cannot even be in your presence.
• 28:31
  Carmen Lezeth: We are not having dinner at all.
• 28:33
  Carmen Lezeth: Like I'm just gonna yell and scream at you the whole time.
• 28:37
  Cynthia Lopez: It'll take a while but I'll end up going out or hang out with them, but it will take a while.
• 28:42
  Tommy Lee: I'm really glad that we're having this conversation, because I was thinking about this the other day.
• 28:46
  Tommy Lee: I'm gonna backtrack a little bit.
• 28:50
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, but then we're gonna let Rick chime in.
• 28:52
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, and I'll make it very brief.
• 28:54
  Tommy Lee: Somebody that I trusted did me wrong, who happened to be a family member only by marriage.
• 29:03
  Tommy Lee: In fact, you matched with her in Blessed Sacrament.
• 29:06
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, you might as well just tell me who it is, because I don't know who it is.
• 29:09
  Tommy Lee: Sandra, who Sandra capital, yeah, I don't know who anybody is.
• 29:14
  Cynthia Lopez: Who are the ones?
• 29:14
  Tommy Lee: that need to pick Sure Lightning both Lightning both.
• 29:19
  Tommy Lee: Here I should have said you should show me who it is.
• 29:26
  Carmen Lezeth: Is she on our Facebook?
• 29:27
  Carmen Lezeth: I hope not, cause she might see this.
• 29:30
  Tommy Lee: I'm not friends with her on Facebook anymore.
• 29:32
  Tommy Lee: I don't speak to her anymore.
• 29:34
  Tommy Lee: I deleted her number, I blocked her and then when who is it?
• 29:38
  Carmen Lezeth: Sandra?
• 29:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Who?
• 29:40
  Tommy Lee: Capital Lupo it's the same.
• 29:41
  Tommy Lee: It might have been.
• 29:42
  Tommy Lee: It was Capital Lupo at the time, cause she wasn't married.
• 29:46
  Carmen Lezeth: I just have to see if I know who it is.
• 29:48
  Carmen Lezeth: It was the purple gold blackie with the lightning.
• 29:51
  Tommy Lee: No, it doesn't even matter, I don't remember.
• 29:53
  Tommy Lee: Well anyway, and there's actually.
• 29:55
  Tommy Lee: I watched the video a couple of weeks ago and you and her were like side by side.
• 29:59
  Tommy Lee: I was like, oh, fuck my life right now, really oh geez?
• 30:05
  Carmen Lezeth: Is it Sandra Don Nadela?
• 30:07
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know who they are.
• 30:08
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't even have that person on here, cause they only have three sandras.
• 30:12
  Tommy Lee: I'll show you a picture of her.
• 30:14
  Rick Costa: Yeah, I know.
• 30:14
  Tommy Lee: Okay, let's talk about her.
• 30:15
  Carmen Lezeth: Let's talk about her.
• 30:18
  Tommy Lee: But anyway, when I went to visit my brother in South Carolina a couple of we did like a family reunion in South Carolina, and I said to my brother and she does not like my brother, who's married to my sister-in-law, nancy, who you know, and she was like she should have divorced him a long time ago, when I tell you it took every ounce of energy in my body not to read her up one side and down the other.
• 30:46
  Tommy Lee: And I said to my brother when she comes, cause we were having our sit down family you know reunion dinner, I said there's 25 people here, why does she have to sit next to me?
• 30:59
  Tommy Lee: She was the one who opened her big mouth to my head and which made everything yeah, oh my God.
• 31:10
  Carmen Lezeth: So that's why you blocked her and she's out.
• 31:12
  Tommy Lee: So when we talk about going back to what we said, we talk about can you forgive somebody?
• 31:18
  Tommy Lee: I can forgive, but I gotta be honest with you guys this is one person I cannot forgive.
• 31:25
  Tommy Lee: I can't even look at her Because I know the next time I look at her I'm like I'm 60 years old, fuck her.
• 31:37
  Cynthia Lopez: Tommy's like I'm going to jail tonight.
• 31:42
  Tommy Lee: I was like I think about it Sometimes.
• 31:45
  Carmen Lezeth: I think about it and I'm like, see, so that's where it becomes an interesting thing, like so, so, so that Rick, you're next, because I'm going to stop talking.
• 31:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, and I am too.
• 31:55
  Carmen Lezeth: But listen go get more water.
• 31:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, go ahead.
• 31:58
  Carmen Lezeth: So.
• 31:59
  Carmen Lezeth: So here's the thing about water, right Water.
• 32:04
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, yeah, we Wash is full.
• 32:06
  Tommy Lee: I have to take a while.
• 32:07
  Tommy Lee: I'm the cabinet Because I just watch this fall.
• 32:12
  Carmen Lezeth: Tommy, go get the water Go running.
• 32:14
  Carmen Lezeth: I'll be right back.
• 32:15
  Carmen Lezeth: I love him, um, but that's the thing about.
• 32:21
  Carmen Lezeth: That's where I think the forgiveness is a problem, right, if you can't, if it's eating up at you, if it's, you know.
• 32:27
  Carmen Lezeth: But, rick, wait till he comes back and then we'll chat.
• 32:29
  Carmen Lezeth: I want to hear what your thoughts are on issues that you've had or whatever.
• 32:33
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, I know you just talked about your dad.
• 32:35
  Carmen Lezeth: Uh, brian just said I'll get a new bottle of bourbon, be right back Peach.
• 32:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Peech Moms Flavor, whatever.
• 32:44
  Rick Costa: You want to hear something funny.
• 32:45
  Rick Costa: Somebody texted me one of my ex-wife's friends and said do you think that there's a possibility that your marriage might ever be restored?
• 32:53
  Rick Costa: And I said I was like what?
• 32:57
  Rick Costa: But then I was like well, right now I'm too busy dealing with my mom and everything and that's nowhere on my radar.
• 33:04
  Rick Costa: And she replied you have the most diplomatic way of saying no, right.
• 33:12
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, I mean, was this recent?
• 33:14
  Carmen Lezeth: Was this a recent?
• 33:15
  Rick Costa: Not super recent.
• 33:16
  Rick Costa: I came across it in my text.
• 33:18
  Rick Costa: Not that recent recent.
• 33:20
  Carmen Lezeth: Wait.
• 33:21
  Cynthia Lopez: Cynthia White.
• 33:21
  Cynthia Lopez: Oh, no, I was responding to Brian.
• 33:23
  Cynthia Lopez: I know it was Tony who had the peach.
• 33:25
  Rick Costa: Oh, yeah, oh yeah.
• 33:27
  Carmen Lezeth: Drinking Long ombre.
• 33:28
  Carmen Lezeth: Chica Snaps, snaps.
• 33:30
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I'm just messing with him.
• 33:31
  Carmen Lezeth: And, jay, you thought I didn't know what peach snaps was?
• 33:33
  Carmen Lezeth: No, I knew, you knew.
• 33:35
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I was just messing with him because I had, like I was waiting for the moment, waiting for the moment.
• 33:41
  Carmen Lezeth: But, rick, how do you feel about the word forgiveness?
• 33:46
  Carmen Lezeth: Just in general, and first, family versus friendships.
• 33:50
  Rick Costa: I mean, forgiveness is a good thing, I think, because I don't want anybody to have real estate living in my head rent free, Like I don't want that.
• 33:58
  Rick Costa: So like my dad was all consuming, Like I couldn't stop thinking about him when I hated him because it was like it was just ridiculous.
• 34:05
  Rick Costa: And as far as family and friends, I mean friends you can get away from pretty easily.
• 34:12
  Rick Costa: Family it's a little more difficult, so I might give family a little bit more grace, but I'm kind of equal opportunity offended, Like either way.
• 34:21
  Carmen Lezeth: I think, like Cynthia, you and Cynthia have similarities Cause I've seen you go through some stuff recently with some relationships and like and I hurt for you, right, cause it like for me there's an easy turnoff switch which people hate that about me, but I can easily turn you off in two seconds and I'm done.
• 34:41
  Carmen Lezeth: I think, everyone on haps has seen me do that.
• 34:45
  Rick Costa: I am well aware, yeah.
• 34:47
  Carmen Lezeth: Well aware that I will just walk out.
• 34:48
  Carmen Lezeth: No, there's no one who doesn't know that I, that I am like that, but I think that's also a survival mechanism.
• 34:53
  Carmen Lezeth: That's how I was able to get through.
• 34:55
  Carmen Lezeth: Whatever I had to get through was being able to know that certain people were doing something one way and then being able to push them aside and move to the other, you know, to the other person or whoever could get me to the next step or whatever.
• 35:06
  Carmen Lezeth: So I wish more people could do that.
• 35:09
  Carmen Lezeth: I do, and it's not that I don't have feelings or that I don't have regret about I'm sorry.
• 35:14
  Tommy Lee: I wish I could be more like you.
• 35:16
  Carmen Lezeth: It has its good and bad parts to it.
• 35:18
  Carmen Lezeth: I told the story a couple of or maybe a few live streams ago that you know.
• 35:24
  Carmen Lezeth: That happened with me and my friend, todd, and then I found out this past year, like we didn't talk, we had a big blowout which I don't even remember what it was about.
• 35:31
  Carmen Lezeth: And then I was talking that I found out, like that day when I was doing the stream, that he had died in January of this year, which was weird.
• 35:39
  Carmen Lezeth: We hadn't talked in like years, but every once in a while I would check because I missed him as a friend.
• 35:44
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I would check with friends.
• 35:46
  Carmen Lezeth: But then something happened which I still don't remember.
• 35:49
  Carmen Lezeth: He didn't want to talk to me anymore but I stopped trying, you know, because I was like, all right, well, fuck you too.
• 35:53
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 35:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Like I want to tell you and I am able to do that, but there is something I think that you lose in not being able to sometimes.
• 36:03
  Carmen Lezeth: I'll just say it.
• 36:04
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't always want to talk things out, like, once those three times are over, I'm done and I'm not perfect.
• 36:12
  Carmen Lezeth: Maybe I need grace too.
• 36:14
  Carmen Lezeth: If I've done something wrong three times, would it be okay if maybe Andrea didn't forgive me if I did something to her.
• 36:20
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, okay, so that's a little bit different, right?
• 36:22
  Carmen Lezeth: So people have been in my life for a long time.
• 36:24
  Carmen Lezeth: They could probably do anything and I would still show up, you know what I mean.
• 36:29
  Andrea Nunez: Like I can do an example.
• 36:31
  Carmen Lezeth: It's really bad to me and I would still.
• 36:32
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know.
• 36:34
  Tommy Lee: I can give an example of something that's currently going on.
• 36:37
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, you know this is live, right, I just want you to know this is live.
• 36:41
  Carmen Lezeth: Everyone can see this.
• 36:43
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, just want to be clear, you understand.
• 36:46
  Tommy Lee: Well, I can mention names because nobody knows them.
• 36:47
  Tommy Lee: So I have two friends.
• 36:49
  Carmen Lezeth: No, no, no, but it's not just us.
• 36:50
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, everyone on Facebook will see this, right, I do.
• 36:55
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, go ahead, all right, good.
• 36:57
  Tommy Lee: So I have two friends.
• 36:59
  Tommy Lee: One I grew up with, that I've known since I was probably seven or eight years old.
• 37:04
  Tommy Lee: We were friends.
• 37:05
  Tommy Lee: You know we grew up together in the same neighborhood.
• 37:08
  Tommy Lee: You know you go separate ways, different schools.
• 37:11
  Tommy Lee: What have you?
• 37:12
  Tommy Lee: And then we reconnected again my other friend who I went to high school with.
• 37:16
  Tommy Lee: We were friends for 40 plus years.
• 37:19
  Tommy Lee: We've had a lot of good times together and I can honestly truly say that we had more good times than bad times.
• 37:27
  Tommy Lee: I just think life is that curve ball.
• 37:32
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, you have to tell us what happened, what you have to tell us what happened.
• 37:36
  Tommy Lee: We just, I guess we just, you know, as we got older, life threw us that curve ball and we kind of grew apart.
• 37:43
  Tommy Lee: Now that doesn't mean that we're not ever going to be friends again, like we were hanging out and talking like every single solitary day and, you know, going out and doing things, but I think it's kind of.
• 37:58
  Carmen Lezeth: I guess my.
• 37:58
  Carmen Lezeth: Where are you going with this?
• 37:59
  Carmen Lezeth: What does this have to do with forgiveness?
• 38:02
  Tommy Lee: I think you need to have that break to realize what you miss.
• 38:07
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, that's what some friendships.
• 38:08
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know if I believe that completely.
• 38:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, that's why I'm that's why I'm throwing it out there.
• 38:14
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, I thought I was waiting for like, and then she slept with my man.
• 38:21
  Rick Costa: I was like where's the scandal?
• 38:22
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't wear it.
• 38:23
  Carmen Lezeth: We're waiting for some cause.
• 38:25
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what?
• 38:25
  Carmen Lezeth: Let me tell you something, tommy, tommy Lee, let me tell you something you are a really good storyteller, except when you don't give us the juice, like you don't give us like.
• 38:34
  Carmen Lezeth: Here's this great beginning.
• 38:36
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm always going to leave you hanging.
• 38:38
  Carmen Lezeth: Let me move to the next topic.
• 38:39
  Carmen Lezeth: I want to talk about Oprah for a moment, because I don't want to actually talk about Oprah.
• 38:43
  Carmen Lezeth: I want to talk about the revelation that came out.
• 38:46
  Carmen Lezeth: So everyone who has seen Oprah, look at the movie color purples coming out summer 25th.
• 38:51
  Carmen Lezeth: Please go see it.
• 38:52
  Carmen Lezeth: I cannot wait.
• 38:53
  Carmen Lezeth: It's going to be amazing.
• 38:54
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm sure that she's also been doing all of the you know press and whatever, blah, blah.
• 38:59
  Carmen Lezeth: And if you, if you haven't seen her, she looks amazing.
• 39:02
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, I think she's always looked amazing, because whoever does, her hair is always on point.
• 39:07
  Carmen Lezeth: But she's lost a lot of weight and everybody was wondering if she was doing the new.
• 39:13
  Carmen Lezeth: It's not new, but it's a diabetic drug called Ozempic or whatever.
• 39:18
  Carmen Lezeth: And Ozempic, how do you?
• 39:20
  Carmen Lezeth: say it Ozempic.
• 39:22
  Cynthia Lopez: Right.
• 39:23
  Carmen Lezeth: Ozempic and anyways, blah blah.
• 39:25
  Carmen Lezeth: Everybody in Hollywood, I guess, is not taking it, but for some reason everybody's really skinny and there's no diabetic drugs for all the people who actually need it or whatever, but you know whatever.
• 39:36
  Carmen Lezeth: Anyway, she finally came out in an article discussing that, along with her weight watchers thing and you know hiking, and after her knee surgery and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, that she is taking a prescription for a weight loss help drug thing.
• 39:53
  Carmen Lezeth: But she didn't say it was Ozempic.
• 39:54
  Carmen Lezeth: So my question is is how do you guys feel about that?
• 39:58
  Carmen Lezeth: Do you have any opinion on it?
• 39:59
  Carmen Lezeth: And then I'll share mine.
• 40:00
  Carmen Lezeth: And let's start with Cynthia.
• 40:04
  Cynthia Lopez: So yeah, so the two drugs are Ozempic and Wigowi, so those are the two that are for diabetics and people have been using it to lose weight.
• 40:13
  Cynthia Lopez: One actually is on Ozempic because he is diabetic, which actually didn't help him lose about 30 pounds.
• 40:23
  Carmen Lezeth: So that's not why he was taking it.
• 40:26
  Cynthia Lopez: No, he was taking it for his diabetes.
• 40:28
  Cynthia Lopez: Yeah Right, but it just happens that he did lose weight while he was on it.
• 40:32
  Cynthia Lopez: But now it's like people are just being prescribed it just to lose weight and you know, they're not even full blown diabetic, they're just like borderline or just right there, or you know, and a lot of people who really do need it.
• 40:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, the pharmacies are going to look at.
• 40:51
  Carmen Lezeth: Look, I don't want.
• 40:52
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, I know what you're saying, but I want to go to the crux of what I want to talk about.
• 40:55
  Carmen Lezeth: Pharmacies are going to bank on that.
• 40:57
  Carmen Lezeth: They don't care.
• 40:58
  Carmen Lezeth: They're going to make more of the drug and charge more money and rich people will look at.
• 41:03
  Carmen Lezeth: I remember Oprah said something years and years ago and I was trying to find it in the article, but she had said listen, let me tell you, I know that weight loss is hard because if there was a pill, I would own it.
• 41:16
  Carmen Lezeth: I remember her saying that and I was like you know what?
• 41:22
  Carmen Lezeth: I know you had knee surgery and I know you've been hiking every day.
• 41:26
  Carmen Lezeth: But you know what I've been working on my whole life and I ain't going to be wearing a thong this summer.
• 41:31
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm just saying you know I'm not a crazy eater and you know like I just for me it.
• 41:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Really I'm glad that she finally admitted it.
• 41:41
  Carmen Lezeth: But what I want to talk about really is how do you feel about, how do we all feel, not about the pharmacy or whatever, because that they're going to make more drugs for diabetics and whatever.
• 41:52
  Carmen Lezeth: Blah, blah, blah.
• 41:53
  Carmen Lezeth: That's going to be settled and pharmaceuticals will make money.
• 41:55
  Carmen Lezeth: The question is, how do you feel about?
• 41:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Is this cheating?
• 41:58
  Carmen Lezeth: Is this cheating?
• 41:59
  Carmen Lezeth: Is this okay?
• 42:01
  Carmen Lezeth: Is this good?
• 42:03
  Carmen Lezeth: Should more people be on this weight loss drug?
• 42:05
  Carmen Lezeth: But that's really what I want to talk about.
• 42:07
  Cynthia Lopez: In a way, I think it's cheating, but I also think that if they've tried everything else and nothing else has worked, then this can be the other alternative.
• 42:17
  Carmen Lezeth: Andrea.
• 42:18
  Andrea Nunez: I don't feel like it's cheating, I don't know.
• 42:21
  Andrea Nunez: I don't even like the way that you know, like even phrasing it like that right, Like if there are legitimate health issues with being overweight or whatever, medically obese or whatever they want to call it, this is a medication that you can take to help that.
• 42:40
  Andrea Nunez: You know what I mean.
• 42:41
  Andrea Nunez: So I guess where I maybe have a little bit of pause is like I weigh not me personally, but someone who's like I weigh 140 and I want to weigh 110.
• 42:52
  Andrea Nunez: You know what I mean.
• 42:52
  Andrea Nunez: It's like let's chill out, you know what I mean.
• 42:55
  Andrea Nunez: Then you can probably hike and, you know, eat more protein and you'll be just fine.
• 43:00
  Andrea Nunez: You know what I mean.
• 43:01
  Andrea Nunez: But for people who have actual health issues related to their weight, I think why not?
• 43:08
  Andrea Nunez: And I will also add, like, leave Oprah alone.
• 43:11
  Andrea Nunez: I mean, I know she's got, she's a billionaire and all of that, but like, and she also has put her weight- I was just going to say she owns Weight Watchers, honey, I know, I know.
• 43:23
  Andrea Nunez: I just feel like fuck it.
• 43:25
  Andrea Nunez: Can we stop judging this woman's body?
• 43:27
  Andrea Nunez: I just get tired.
• 43:29
  Carmen Lezeth: I agree with, but I'm going to, I'm going to go.
• 43:31
  Carmen Lezeth: Here's the problem.
• 43:31
  Carmen Lezeth: So I agree with you, but she also puts herself out there and, trust me, I'm so over celebrities being like I'm a person and it shut the fuck up, because when you can use your celebrity status, you're all a celebrity, you're fine.
• 43:46
  Carmen Lezeth: But I hear you on that.
• 43:46
  Carmen Lezeth: But I'm going to say something that is not being talked about.
• 43:49
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't care what you weigh.
• 43:52
  Carmen Lezeth: I have seen skinny people and I know skinny people who have worse, terrible health issues than a lot of quote unquote fat people.
• 44:04
  Carmen Lezeth: I actually think the bigger problem here is that we are.
• 44:07
  Carmen Lezeth: So why does everyone think Oprah looks beautiful?
• 44:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Now, she was beautiful, whatever weight she was, because it's not about her face and I'm not trying to be like, no, let's look at, let's be bigger people.
• 44:20
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm being dead fucking serious.
• 44:22
  Carmen Lezeth: She's not a model.
• 44:24
  Carmen Lezeth: But it's the thing about Oprah that we all love is that who she is.
• 44:28
  Carmen Lezeth: But as a society, we can't handle anybody who isn't a size five and you know, blonde and blue, white or whatever.
• 44:38
  Carmen Lezeth: We don't see weight the same way we look at eye color or hair curly or straight.
• 44:44
  Carmen Lezeth: We see heaviness, weight as some horrible thing.
• 44:48
  Carmen Lezeth: And then if someone's skinny, oh yeah, the whole Adele thing too.
• 44:52
  Carmen Lezeth: I thought Adele was perfectly great when she first came out, you know.
• 44:56
  Carmen Lezeth: And now Lizzo unfortunately because of everyone's suing her is out of the limelight, but Lizzo was doing a great job about body positivity and showing that people of any size, you know.
• 45:08
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna let Rick talk and Tommy talk, but here's the thing what I loved about Lizzo was that she had to do a two-hour show, and I don't know anyone who can do a two-hour show who is not in good shape.
• 45:22
  Carmen Lezeth: You have now.
• 45:23
  Carmen Lezeth: Does she carry an amount of weight?
• 45:26
  Carmen Lezeth: Is she considered Obese and be am I?
• 45:28
  Carmen Lezeth: Yes, but I bet you that I could put her up against most skinny people that I know and she would outdo them in whatever Exercise of whatever she needed to do.
• 45:37
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, now, I don't know her personal health issues, but this idea in our head that Size is what matters as opposed to actual health is the thing that has pissed me off all the time.
• 45:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, now we'll be quiet.
• 45:50
  Carmen Lezeth: Go ahead, rick and Tommy, or whatever.
• 45:52
  Rick Costa: Who's first?
• 45:54
  Carmen Lezeth: go ahead, rick cuz Tommy gonna take a long time, like me.
• 45:59
  Rick Costa: Well, though, the word cheating is weird to me, because it's like when you cheat, you're scared because you might get in trouble, who you gonna get in trouble with for cheating on your weight?
• 46:09
  Rick Costa: You?
• 46:11
  Cynthia Lopez: do what?
• 46:11
  Rick Costa: you want to do.
• 46:11
  Rick Costa: You know, as long as it's healthy, I mean, to our knowledge, do whatever you want to do.
• 46:18
  Rick Costa: Like that's how I feel about it.
• 46:21
  Rick Costa: You know, do what you want to do.
• 46:22
  Rick Costa: If you feel good about yourself, great.
• 46:25
  Rick Costa: I mean, I don't think it's great to be 600 pounds.
• 46:28
  Rick Costa: I'm not saying that.
• 46:29
  Rick Costa: We all seen that show, probably um but um, yeah, 600 pound life, but I don't care.
• 46:36
  Rick Costa: Like cheating, who you gonna get in trouble with?
• 46:38
  Rick Costa: What do you mean cheating?
• 46:39
  Rick Costa: Like I don't Understand that part.
• 46:40
  Rick Costa: Like oh, it's cheating, it's cheating.
• 46:42
  Rick Costa: So who, like?
• 46:43
  Rick Costa: Who you gonna get in trouble with?
• 46:44
  Rick Costa: It's your life, your body.
• 46:46
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, well, well, people are saying that people who are wealthy can afford to buy this drug.
• 46:50
  Carmen Lezeth: Like I can't go to my.
• 46:51
  Carmen Lezeth: Like.
• 46:51
  Carmen Lezeth: If I went to my doctor said, can I get ozempic?
• 46:53
  Carmen Lezeth: They'd be like no, carmen, you cannot.
• 46:56
  Carmen Lezeth: My doctors will not give it to me, I promise you.
• 46:58
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 46:59
  Carmen Lezeth: But Wealthy people can do that right, so that the cheating part isn't so much that she's she has to talk to anyone, but it's like you're not losing weight, naturally, right and I think it goes to what you were talking about where it's like You're, you're shamed for not being able to do it the right way, right, right.
• 47:22
  Andrea Nunez: And so you know, not only must you be a certain size, you must look a certain way, but you have to achieve it the right way or it's not legitimate, right?
• 47:33
  Carmen Lezeth: which is, and and the right way, I guess, would be, even if it means being Interact, sick and bulimic, because as long as you're thin, look it, and, tommy, you know, in color guard and in drum core, I would.
• 47:46
  Carmen Lezeth: You know.
• 47:47
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm just gonna stay straight up, knowing that people might watch this so many people that I, especially when I was younger, everybody was white I was never gonna have these skinny, squawty boy little bodies that they had Never, never.
• 47:59
  Carmen Lezeth: I never had that kind of body, and so that was something that at first I was really intimidated by and I felt like I had to really prove myself, and then I was like I'm just gonna work my own magic, cuz I have to, I.
• 48:12
  Carmen Lezeth: There's no way I can change what I am.
• 48:14
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 48:15
  Rick Costa: Yeah, I.
• 48:17
  Carmen Lezeth: Feel like if we would just appreciate people's bodies for what they are, the amount of time we waste, yeah.
• 48:25
  Carmen Lezeth: Really is the business between you, your family and your doctor and I ain't even motherfucking talking about abortion, but it's kind of the same thing like I don't know what Lizzo's doctor thinks about her weight, but I'm sure, with the amount of money and all the stuff that she's doing, I Hope she taking care of herself and I, you know, and I think she looks great and is athletic and doing what she has to do.
• 48:47
  Carmen Lezeth: So Say this.
• 48:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Finally, and I want Tommy say this I, I, I'm sad.
• 48:53
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm sad that Oprah.
• 48:55
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm glad she's happy now.
• 48:58
  Carmen Lezeth: You know like she seems, like she's really extremely joyful and she was on the Sherry show yesterday and it's a hilarious show you should watch.
• 49:05
  Carmen Lezeth: It was so good and she looked so happy, whatever, but I'm sad that it took this like it couldn't be all the time.
• 49:14
  Carmen Lezeth: Does that mean I'm not saying that, right?
• 49:16
  Carmen Lezeth: But you know what I mean, right.
• 49:18
  Tommy Lee: I know exactly what you mean.
• 49:19
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, I get it.
• 49:21
  Andrea Nunez: Yeah, I mean, this is something she's like.
• 49:24
  Andrea Nunez: She's literally a billionaire.
• 49:26
  Andrea Nunez: She's Oprah right, and this is something that has clearly haunted her, and for her whole life Yep, her whole life.
• 49:33
  Andrea Nunez: Take the still.
• 49:35
  Andrea Nunez: I mean, I don't even know how old, what is she like?
• 49:37
  Carmen Lezeth: mid-60s almost, I think she's 69 turning 70.
• 49:40
  Andrea Nunez: Yeah, yeah the world, and you know, walks on water and this is still the thing if she's happy.
• 49:49
  Rick Costa: If she's happy because now I finally met your standard.
• 49:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, I think it's.
• 49:55
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm gonna give her that credit.
• 49:56
  Carmen Lezeth: I think it.
• 49:57
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean I think it's what she, but it's the standard that we're all taught we have to be.
• 50:01
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean that's the problem.
• 50:02
  Carmen Lezeth: It's not that like I'm glad for her, but it's because it's all in our head that if we're not a size two or whatever it is, then we're not good enough.
• 50:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Even if we're a billionaire and have our own network and bring other people up and own a fucking orphanage and give money to everybody and buy cars for people.
• 50:21
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, like, how much more do you want, lady?
• 50:23
  Carmen Lezeth: No, but you know, I mean like none of that was enough right?
• 50:26
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, she did not have.
• 50:29
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean I don't know what she had, brian, but Brian just wrote didn't Oprah have Gastic bi-press surgery?
• 50:35
  Carmen Lezeth: A light was no I?
• 50:36
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know that to be true and know that either.
• 50:40
  Tommy Lee: I don't.
• 50:40
  Tommy Lee: So here's his.
• 50:42
  Tommy Lee: Here's what I have to add to this, basing on listening to what every one of you have said.
• 50:48
  Tommy Lee: If you're fucking Oprah Winfrey and you own networks and you're a billion, yet, at what point do you sit down at the end of the day, pull yourself a glass of wine, sit in front of your beautiful fireplace and your ginormous mansion with 16 bathrooms and 27 bedrooms and say to yourself what do I give a fuck what people think about me?
• 51:12
  Tommy Lee: This is where respect comes in, because she does, but you can flip that coin.
• 51:20
  Tommy Lee: As we know, every coin has two sides.
• 51:23
  Tommy Lee: Maybe what we've never talked about is that she has a demon in herself about how she feels, how she looks yeah, but we all do, Tommy, because that's On us.
• 51:38
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, that's, that's.
• 51:39
  Carmen Lezeth: That's the problem.
• 51:40
  Carmen Lezeth: Are you?
• 51:41
  Carmen Lezeth: Did you get sick from Cynthia?
• 51:43
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah?
• 51:45
  Tommy Lee: Cynthia's fault.
• 51:47
  Carmen Lezeth: No, no, look at, of course she's had the demons and talked a little bit about it in that article.
• 51:53
  Tommy Lee: I think.
• 51:53
  Tommy Lee: Here's my point.
• 51:54
  Tommy Lee: I think we put people like Oprah and Maury povich and all those people, connie Chung, we put them up here.
• 52:03
  Carmen Lezeth: For real, right there.
• 52:12
  Tommy Lee: She's still doing hairspray too.
• 52:13
  Tommy Lee: I Think we put them up here on a pedestal, but they're just like us.
• 52:19
  Tommy Lee: They have the same deal as we have For sure.
• 52:24
  Tommy Lee: You know what?
• 52:25
  Tommy Lee: At the end of the day, you gotta look at it this way, you well this is how.
• 52:28
  Tommy Lee: I look at it Okay, and maybe Andrea, you can kind of relate to this because we work in the same field.
• 52:37
  Tommy Lee: I Don't care.
• 52:40
  Tommy Lee: I don't care if you're too skinny, I don't care if you're ugly.
• 52:44
  Tommy Lee: Number one, first and foremost, are you a good person?
• 52:49
  Tommy Lee: Yep, that's the number one.
• 52:53
  Tommy Lee: If you're a good person, okay, if you wait, 200 pounds or 30 pounds?
• 53:00
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm gonna care if you wait 30 pounds, because that's gonna be really Look at, let me tell you, it doesn't matter what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what.
• 53:14
  Tommy Lee: It's as long as you're a good person, like I know.
• 53:17
  Tommy Lee: But it's not it, but that's.
• 53:21
  Carmen Lezeth: Questions whether she's a good person or not.
• 53:23
  Carmen Lezeth: Here's my problem with Oprah.
• 53:25
  Tommy Lee: Oh, why is she so Ramped up about her weight?
• 53:30
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't, because she's been ridiculed, because she's a woman and she is successful, and that's Only people know, and that's the reason, and that's the only thing people focus on all the time is because our society sucks, yeah, so it's not really her fault, it's our fault.
• 53:47
  Tommy Lee: No, but why does I feel like Oprah?
• 53:50
  Tommy Lee: You're a billionaire.
• 53:51
  Tommy Lee: You you're fucking Oprah Winfrey.
• 53:54
  Tommy Lee: Why do you care what people think about you?
• 53:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Tell me because we all, because we're all human, look at as much as we want to pretend we don't care what people think about.
• 54:02
  Carmen Lezeth: Can you imagine wake?
• 54:04
  Carmen Lezeth: Can you imagine waking up in the day, going to Starbucks or whatever?
• 54:08
  Carmen Lezeth: Or wherever she goes, somebody hands her the paper and the first thing is a magazine or an article about oh look at Oprah, she's so fat, or whatever.
• 54:17
  Carmen Lezeth: It is every single day of your life that, no matter what success you have in the world, no matter what you do, all people talk about is why can't you lose weight?
• 54:26
  Carmen Lezeth: Why can't you take this off?
• 54:28
  Carmen Lezeth: You have all this ability.
• 54:29
  Carmen Lezeth: That's all she ever hears.
• 54:32
  Tommy Lee: So this is the difference between me and Oprah.
• 54:34
  Tommy Lee: If I Billion, any publicity is good publicity.
• 54:45
  Carmen Lezeth: Thank you.
• 54:46
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I think?
• 54:47
  Carmen Lezeth: It's easy, look it.
• 54:47
  Carmen Lezeth: I think that's easy to say being detached from it, but just being around celebrities or being around people who have any kind of fame here and you know, you know differently than I know.
• 55:00
  Carmen Lezeth: But but it's not even about that.
• 55:01
  Carmen Lezeth: You've experienced this to.
• 55:03
  Carmen Lezeth: People have an idea of who we are when we perform.
• 55:06
  Carmen Lezeth: That's not really true about who we actually are.
• 55:10
  Carmen Lezeth: People come up with things in their head that they think our lives are perfect.
• 55:14
  Carmen Lezeth: This is I'm talking about you performing with Cavaliers.
• 55:17
  Carmen Lezeth: It's the same thing, it's just more intense and more money.
• 55:21
  Carmen Lezeth: But I'm just saying like it's the same thing.
• 55:24
  Carmen Lezeth: People come up with an idea in their head.
• 55:26
  Carmen Lezeth: The problem is we never had to deal with that kind of fame and that kind of negativity, because it's a different world.
• 55:32
  Carmen Lezeth: But we're talking.
• 55:33
  Carmen Lezeth: We are talking about Oprah and Oprah was, I mean, just humiliated all the time about her, I know.
• 55:40
  Carmen Lezeth: I know she was Look at.
• 55:42
  Tommy Lee: Cynthia has to raise her hand because we Should not have been humiliated all the time.
• 55:47
  Tommy Lee: Okay, but let's get amazing.
• 55:50
  Cynthia Lopez: I have a question for Tommy.
• 55:51
  Cynthia Lopez: So, tommy, do you feel that Oprah is being hypocritical, because she's always about, you know, loving your body and always trying to motivate people, but yet, behind closed doors, she's so ashamed of her own body and she had to take this medication to lose weight?
• 56:09
  Carmen Lezeth: No, he's being sorry, cynthia, I feel like you want to answer that question.
• 56:13
  Tommy Lee: I Think the exact opposite.
• 56:17
  Tommy Lee: I Think she's going out of her way to please everybody and she's not.
• 56:24
  Tommy Lee: I feel like, oh, I disagree.
• 56:26
  Tommy Lee: She's Judy Gallin of the 21st century.
• 56:29
  Tommy Lee: She's going out of her way to prove to please everybody and doing what everybody oh, I don't agree with that at all.
• 56:37
  Carmen Lezeth: No, you know, no, I don't know.
• 56:38
  Carmen Lezeth: But I want to get back to Cynthia because, like I would like to ask a question.
• 56:55
  Cynthia Lopez: No, I was just wondering because of the way how he was saying how you know she is who she is, but yet she's so worried about what everyone else is thinking of her.
• 57:05
  Cynthia Lopez: But yeah, on the other side she's always trying to motivate people, you know, and just say that doesn't matter what size you are, you're beautiful.
• 57:13
  Cynthia Lopez: But yet she still feels a certain way and she's still taking in what people are saying about her.
• 57:21
  Carmen Lezeth: I just want to be clear.
• 57:22
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't think she ever talks about weight in that way.
• 57:24
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't think she ever says it doesn't matter what your weight is.
• 57:28
  Carmen Lezeth: I think she just just to be clear.
• 57:30
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't think that she knows, but I don't think she touches weight in that way when she talks about motivational.
• 57:37
  Tommy Lee: I agree with you come, and I don't think she does, but don't you think she lays down in bed with you, know, at the end of the day, and be like how much more can I do this?
• 57:48
  Tommy Lee: No, I can't.
• 57:51
  Carmen Lezeth: No, no, no.
• 57:51
  Carmen Lezeth: I actually think that I she doesn't give a shit anymore.
• 57:56
  Tommy Lee: Over went free and I know the amazing woman that she is.
• 58:01
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't think she's watching, it's okay.
• 58:04
  Tommy Lee: Don't worry, I'm gonna.
• 58:05
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't think she's watching.
• 58:11
  Tommy Lee: But I just like.
• 58:12
  Tommy Lee: Why not just accept this amazing woman for all her Accomplishments and accolades and the things that she's why?
• 58:19
  Carmen Lezeth: can't you?
• 58:20
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, look it, I'm not, I'm not.
• 58:21
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know her, so I'm I'm not trying to act like I'm gonna defend her.
• 58:26
  Carmen Lezeth: What I'm trying to say is it's really hard for your entire life to be, you know.
• 58:32
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm gonna put it in terms that reflects on me.
• 58:34
  Carmen Lezeth: And then Dr Noses, because we've had this deep conversation.
• 58:37
  Carmen Lezeth: All All my life I've always thought I was less than because of the color of my skin.
• 58:43
  Carmen Lezeth: Doesn't matter that, it's not true, but that is what society has Interjected into how we live every day, whether or not I noticed it or not.
• 58:54
  Carmen Lezeth: I always thought I wasn't good enough.
• 58:55
  Carmen Lezeth: And then George Floyd was murdered and I started learning about the history of our country.
• 59:01
  Carmen Lezeth: I learned about Tulsa, I learned about all these things that happen that were not taught about.
• 59:06
  Carmen Lezeth: And all of a sudden I was like are you fucking kidding me?
• 59:09
  Carmen Lezeth: I am a black, latina woman bitch.
• 59:13
  Carmen Lezeth: Like it all changed.
• 59:15
  Carmen Lezeth: But it doesn't matter how strong everyone perceived me to be, it doesn't matter what everyone thought of me.
• 59:21
  Carmen Lezeth: At the end of the day my self-esteem was so thrown because of what society and the way in which we live and the way I grew up and the way I was around people.
• 59:32
  Carmen Lezeth: I always say Color Guard was my saving grace right and dancing and performing were always my saving grace.
• 59:38
  Carmen Lezeth: But there was also all white people and in that there was racism, whether or not I wanted to admit it.
• 59:47
  Carmen Lezeth: I couldn't admit it because I didn't even understand it.
• 59:51
  Carmen Lezeth: I didn't even realize it was happening.
• 59:54
  Carmen Lezeth: So the reason why I'm bringing this up from this point of view is Oprah is still a human being.
• 1:00:00
  Carmen Lezeth: You can only take so much pressure.
• 1:00:04
  Carmen Lezeth: You can only do so much, and you know what.
• 1:00:06
  Carmen Lezeth: You keep excelling, you keep doing better and you know what.
• 1:00:09
  Carmen Lezeth: You're still not good enough.
• 1:00:10
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm still not good enough until something turned around and made me realize you know what, fuck everybody.
• 1:00:17
  Carmen Lezeth: And that's what I think Oprah did.
• 1:00:18
  Carmen Lezeth: Oprah was like you know what, fuck everybody?
• 1:00:20
  Carmen Lezeth: I am gonna buy this pill, I'm gonna do what I have to do, I'm gonna get my knee surgery, I'm gonna go hiking, I'm gonna let go of my network.
• 1:00:26
  Carmen Lezeth: I think she sold it to Tala Perry, or Tala Perry runs it or whatever, and she was like I'm gonna go live my life and then, when I'm ready, I'm gonna remake the color purple.
• 1:00:35
  Carmen Lezeth: I think she's exactly doing that.
• 1:00:39
  Tommy Lee: I see your point but, like I said earlier, there's two sides to every coin.
• 1:00:45
  Tommy Lee: Let's flip it In my.
• 1:00:49
  Tommy Lee: I'm gonna flip the coin and do a 180.
• 1:00:52
  Tommy Lee: In my opinion, you're Oprah Winfrey.
• 1:00:56
  Tommy Lee: You don't need to prove yourself to anybody.
• 1:00:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, you need to get over that.
• 1:00:59
  Tommy Lee: You don't need to prove yourself to anybody.
• 1:01:01
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, you're not hearing it, You're not hearing it.
• 1:01:03
  Andrea Nunez: I mean, I think you know like she's still a person.
• 1:01:05
  Andrea Nunez: She's still a human being with her own struggles, her shit from her childhood, her adulthood.
• 1:01:13
  Andrea Nunez: She's a person who's been in the entertainment or you know, media for her whole adult life and she did not look at all the way that she was supposed to look to be.
• 1:01:25
  Andrea Nunez: And she wasn't a man.
• 1:01:26
  Andrea Nunez: Yeah, and she wasn't a man.
• 1:01:27
  Andrea Nunez: You know all of those things.
• 1:01:28
  Andrea Nunez: So I think, yeah, you can, you know late, and I'm sure that's a big part of what all of that work she's done, the whole journey that we have been on with her since the nineties of, you know, self-acceptance and self-love and all of those things is about trying to get herself through.
• 1:01:47
  Andrea Nunez: You know, I don't know or I'm like armchair analyzing her, but like she's been through it and she's tried to work through it.
• 1:01:54
  Andrea Nunez: This is clearly something that was like, like I said, the struggle of her life.
• 1:02:00
  Andrea Nunez: You know something that as a human being, we all have our things.
• 1:02:04
  Andrea Nunez: That's like I'm still, you know, like this problem keeps circling back around for me, because there's something more I need to do, there's something more I need to learn.
• 1:02:14
  Carmen Lezeth: And I'm not mad at her.
• 1:02:15
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm not mad at her for doing what she has to do.
• 1:02:17
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm mad at us as a society that we still haven't figured out that not being a size two or size four doesn't mean you're healthy.
• 1:02:28
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, being a size zero or whatever doesn't mean you're healthy.
• 1:02:33
  Carmen Lezeth: Being a size 16 or 22 doesn't mean you're healthy.
• 1:02:36
  Carmen Lezeth: And we haven't figured that out yet.
• 1:02:40
  Carmen Lezeth: We still are obsessed with what we think beauty is and for some reason, beauty is anorexic and white and female and blonde.
• 1:02:52
  Carmen Lezeth: Still, that is still the beauty standard.
• 1:02:55
  Carmen Lezeth: Barbie, barbie.
• 1:02:57
  Carmen Lezeth: That movie did so good.
• 1:02:59
  Carmen Lezeth: That's why that movie took so good.
• 1:03:00
  Tommy Lee: Rick, you took the words right out of my mouth, but now, listening to both of you ladies, I get it.
• 1:03:07
  Tommy Lee: Now I understand where you're coming from, and not just from a female's point of view, but from a social point of view.
• 1:03:19
  Carmen Lezeth: See, I think our work here is done.
• 1:03:22
  Rick Costa: Can I get a personal?
• 1:03:23
  Tommy Lee: example.
• 1:03:24
  Tommy Lee: And ladies and gentlemen, it is my pleasure to announce the common has potted the Red Sea once again.
• 1:03:31
  Tommy Lee: Oh my God.
• 1:03:35
  Carmen Lezeth: We are not doing this next week, we're so not.
• 1:03:38
  Tommy Lee: Rick, what are you gonna say?
• 1:03:39
  Tommy Lee: No, I'm like in all seriousness, in all seriousness.
• 1:03:42
  Tommy Lee: First of all, you gotta think about that Tommy doesn't hear you, rick, so.
• 1:03:45
  Carmen Lezeth: But it's okay, tommy, that's fine, we'll let it in.
• 1:03:47
  Rick Costa: You know, I'm looking at it from a.
• 1:03:48
  Rick Costa: You mean looking at nothing.
• 1:03:52
  Tommy Lee: Now at your high school, A male's perspective and not a female's perspective.
• 1:03:56
  Tommy Lee: So to hear with both of you had to say was like oh, Okay, but now.
• 1:04:05
  Carmen Lezeth: Rick's gonna throw you.
• 1:04:06
  Carmen Lezeth: Rick's gonna throw you because he gonna say something now.
• 1:04:08
  Rick Costa: I don't know about throwing anybody, but so let me go back to my dad.
• 1:04:12
  Tommy Lee: Rick, you know I have a bad heart, okay, so let's just keep it simple.
• 1:04:16
  Rick Costa: Okay.
• 1:04:16
  Rick Costa: So one of the reasons when I hated him that I hated him was he always made me feel would verbally say so that I don't know how to do anything right.
• 1:04:24
  Rick Costa: Literally, no matter what I did, it was wrong, did not do anything right, and so that was so ingrained in my brain that it affected every part of my life.
• 1:04:33
  Rick Costa: When they're picking sports teams in school, the gym, whatever, always the last one Cause I projected that I don't know how to do anything right.
• 1:04:42
  Rick Costa: You don't want me Like literally, and that was so ingrained in my head.
• 1:04:45
  Rick Costa: So now I'm 53, mentally, intellectually.
• 1:04:49
  Rick Costa: I know that's all bull crap, you know that was not true, but there's still that voice I have to fight sometimes that still says you don't know how to do anything right.
• 1:04:59
  Rick Costa: It doesn't go away, even though I know it's not true, it's a lie.
• 1:05:03
  Rick Costa: So maybe that's sort of similar thing with Oprah she just can't get rid of this thing in her head.
• 1:05:09
  Carmen Lezeth: But you understand it's not just her, it's not just her.
• 1:05:11
  Tommy Lee: That's a really good point.
• 1:05:13
  Carmen Lezeth: That's society Like.
• 1:05:15
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't want to just make it like she has some mental issue about it.
• 1:05:18
  Carmen Lezeth: We do this to each other as a society because it's ingrained in us.
• 1:05:26
  Carmen Lezeth: Like you said, rick, it's ingrained in us that what beauty is, or what the perfect health thing is, is to be skinny, not you cannot be a successful black billionaire who owns an orphanage, who produces and makes TV and movies, and be 200 pounds.
• 1:05:45
  Carmen Lezeth: That's not good enough.
• 1:05:46
  Carmen Lezeth: Can you imagine?
• 1:05:47
  Carmen Lezeth: Can you imagine?
• 1:05:51
  Tommy Lee: Like just listening to you say that.
• 1:05:53
  Tommy Lee: All I can think of is no matter what she does, no matter how successful she is, someone's always gonna find a fault.
• 1:06:03
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh well, that's true, but that's all.
• 1:06:05
  Carmen Lezeth: Celebrity, that's universal.
• 1:06:06
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, that's universal to all.
• 1:06:09
  Tommy Lee: No, not even just celebrity.
• 1:06:11
  Carmen Lezeth: I think in general, in general, yeah, in general, yeah, I'm happy for Oprah, though I mean, cynthia, are you happy for Oprah?
• 1:06:18
  Carmen Lezeth: I felt like you're the only one who hasn't made a turn.
• 1:06:21
  Carmen Lezeth: You're like do you think she's a hypocrite, tommy?
• 1:06:24
  Carmen Lezeth: Do you think that she is a hypocrite?
• 1:06:27
  Carmen Lezeth: Because no.
• 1:06:29
  Cynthia Lopez: I'm happy for her, I'm happy for her Whatever makes her happy.
• 1:06:33
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm happy for her too.
• 1:06:34
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean she looks really I mean I'm talking about in her face.
• 1:06:37
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean on the show, if you guys can watch it, she was dancing between the commercial breaks and there was a part of me that was just like wow, this woman is living her best life right now.
• 1:06:49
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean I hope she is anyways, but wow, we were just talking and going and yeah, and I have to be up at 5 AM in the morning.
• 1:06:57
  Tommy Lee: Go to your new job 5 AM, my time To go to your new job.
• 1:07:02
  Carmen Lezeth: OK, so we're going to wrap this up.
• 1:07:04
  Carmen Lezeth: Let me just say thank you to everyone for stopping by.
• 1:07:06
  Carmen Lezeth: Andrea, thank you.
• 1:07:07
  Carmen Lezeth: I know you had a little hard time, but I'm glad you finally made it.
• 1:07:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Tommy Lee has always loved you.
• 1:07:12
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh my god, Andrea.
• 1:07:14
  Andrea Nunez: I'm so glad I found you.
• 1:07:15
  Andrea Nunez: I'm so glad to meet you.
• 1:07:16
  Andrea Nunez: He did that.
• 1:07:16
  Andrea Nunez: Me too, Rick.
• 1:07:19
  Andrea Nunez: Always a pleasure to have you.
• 1:07:22
  Andrea Nunez: Rick put a disco shirt on tonight.
• 1:07:23
  Andrea Nunez: I need to see more of that shirt.
• 1:07:25
  Andrea Nunez: Oh, OK, I just saw the things that.
• 1:07:28
  Andrea Nunez: I was like that's great.
• 1:07:30
  Andrea Nunez: Andrea just dissed him.
• 1:07:31
  Andrea Nunez: No, no, I was.
• 1:07:34
  Andrea Nunez: I thought it was like.
• 1:07:36
  Andrea Nunez: I thought it was different, but it was a flannel, which is fine.
• 1:07:41
  Andrea Nunez: I just thought it was a little bit more like disco.
• 1:07:45
  Andrea Nunez: I don't know, Look, this is the color.
• 1:07:48
  Andrea Nunez: Something about.
• 1:07:51
  Carmen Lezeth: I think you look fabulous.
• 1:07:52
  Carmen Lezeth: I think you look fabulous, cynthia.
• 1:07:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Thank you.
• 1:07:55
  Carmen Lezeth: Let's give some love to your husband.
• 1:07:59
  Carmen Lezeth: I hope tomorrow goes well.
• 1:08:00
  Carmen Lezeth: Yes, thank you.
• 1:08:01
  Carmen Lezeth: Tell him you're going to hug for me Everyone.
• 1:08:05
  Carmen Lezeth: Thank you so much.
• 1:08:06
  Carmen Lezeth: We'll be back next week and remember, it's always all about the joy.
• 1:08:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Bye everyone.
• 1:08:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Bye everyone.
• 1:08:12
  Carmen Lezeth: Thanks for stopping by.
• 1:08:14
  Carmen Lezeth: All about the joy.
• 1:08:15
  Carmen Lezeth: Be better and stay beautiful.
• 1:08:17
  Carmen Lezeth: Folks.
• 1:08:18
  Carmen Lezeth: Have a sweet day.