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The Ghost That Saved A Lighthouse · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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Speaker 1: When the somber stillness of the darkening day was rent
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Speaker 1: by a shriek so wild and weird that they who
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Speaker 1: heard it felt the blood freeze suddenly in their veins.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you should have someone take a look at that.
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Speaker 2: I don't think that's normal. I'm not a doctor.
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Speaker 1: But they shrank involuntarily closer and looked at each other
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Speaker 1: with blanched cheeks and startled eyes. Before anyone found voice.
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Speaker 1: It came again. This time it was a cry for help,
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Speaker 1: thrice repeated in quick succession. Hi Caitlin, Hi Cassie, Hi
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Speaker 1: creepy people, Henny, this is PNW Haunson Homicides, where we
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Speaker 1: chat about true crime, the paranormal, and all things cool
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Speaker 1: and spooky in the Pacific Northwest.
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Speaker 2: I can't help but notice you didn't mention true crime.
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Speaker 2: I did, did you?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Said we talked about true crime, the paranormal and
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Speaker 1: all things cool.
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Speaker 2: Oh in my brain, just now, I swear you just
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Speaker 2: said we talk about all things cool, Like you didn't
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Speaker 2: say true crime or paranormal. I did.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm pretty sure. I mean I can roll the
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Speaker 1: tape later, but uh, I'm pretty sure. Caitlin just blacks
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Speaker 1: out when I talk, So that's fine.
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Speaker 2: No, probably probably the crow just flew by again, and oh, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I'm getting a show out here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's watching bird Reality TV out her window. It's
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Speaker 1: honestly the best. And I'm I'm for the crow personally.
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Speaker 2: These other I mean, I told you these other brown,
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Speaker 2: dingy looking bastards. They have like red chests and they
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Speaker 2: just seem like they're being dix and I'm just not
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Speaker 2: I'm not about it. I see the crows out here
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Speaker 2: all the time. I don't know who these other guys are.
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Speaker 2: They need to move on.
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Speaker 1: Who are you? Where'd you come from?
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Speaker 2: She doesn't even go here.
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Speaker 1: You have to look up what kind of Pacific Northwest
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Speaker 1: bird that is?
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Speaker 2: I know, I wonder if it's not a Pacific Northwest bird.
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Speaker 1: Who they migrated? Yeah, they migrated west for the summer.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I've created a whole backstory for them, so I
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Speaker 2: feel like I can create a richer character profile and Bill, yes,
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Speaker 2: you know, it'll be a richer inner world story for
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Speaker 2: me with the birds if.
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Speaker 1: I Well, we were supposed to not get off topic today,
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Speaker 1: We're supposed to stay on it, Caitlin, Yeah, I have
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Speaker 1: to go watch your hair.
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Speaker 2: I think we all knew that wasn't going to happen.
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Speaker 1: But anyway, in case you didn't know, the Sipping Northwest
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Speaker 1: is also the PNW if you n sty Oh, and
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Speaker 1: we do a charro reading at the end of every
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Speaker 1: episode for a little deeper insight into our topic. Also birds, Also,
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Speaker 1: what if we pull a card with a bird on
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Speaker 1: a ladder?
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Speaker 2: I am thinking of a card that we have pulled before,
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Speaker 2: and actually my card in the position is a crow.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying, Okay, anyway, we're distracted by birds.
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Speaker 1: We should we just get going. It's my episode this week.
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Speaker 1: Finally we're going to be talking about yo Quinna Bay
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Speaker 1: Lighthouse and some other places. But that's the first place.
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Speaker 1: It's located on the Oregon Coast in Newport. On a bluff.
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Speaker 1: What's a bluff? I meant to look it up.
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Speaker 2: It's just like a hill, right, Basically, I don't know
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Speaker 2: what the let's see bluff versus can.
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Speaker 1: You tell what bluff means? Okay? One sentence in okay.
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Speaker 2: A hill is a broad, raised area of land that
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Speaker 2: rises higher than the surrounding terrain, usually with gentle, rounded
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Speaker 2: slopes boobs.
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Speaker 1: A bluff is.
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Speaker 2: A specific type of steep broad cliff that often overlooks
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Speaker 2: a body of water or a valley formed by erosion.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly what I visualize, like when I'm trying to
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Speaker 2: compare and picture both of them my head, like, hills
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Speaker 2: are rolling, bluffs are like they're harder. They yeah, bluffing.
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Speaker 1: Well, I should have finished my sentence too. So this
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Speaker 1: lighthouse is on a bluff at the mouth of the
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Speaker 1: Yaquina River, so it is like kind of off the
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Speaker 1: body of water, like I said. So it was built
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Speaker 1: in eighteen seventy one with an attached keeper's house. So
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Speaker 1: it's basically like the whole building is the keeper's house,
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Speaker 1: and then it has like a little light on the top, yeah,
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Speaker 1: lighthouse part. And it's not very tall. It's not like
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Speaker 1: you know what you picture with a big tower on
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Speaker 1: top of the house. It's just like the top of
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Speaker 1: what a light lighthouse would be sitting on the keeper's house.
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Speaker 2: Okay, but I feel like the whole thing about lighthouses,
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Speaker 2: I kind of thought they needed to be tall.
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Speaker 1: Well, we'll talk about it in a minute.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, we'll get to it.
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Speaker 1: This was an early early lighthouse, you guys. Okay, it
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Speaker 1: is believed to be the oldest building in town. So
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Speaker 1: it either is or it's one of the oldest. And
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Speaker 1: it's the only wooden lighthouse in Oregon still standing. Wow.
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Speaker 1: It was only operational for three years and then abandoned
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Speaker 1: when a more favorable location was found nearby. It's about
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Speaker 1: five miles north and the new lighthouse is a ninety
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Speaker 1: three foot tall building.
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, so more keeping with my expectations.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's very very tall. It is the tallest in Oregon. Ooh,
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Speaker 1: it's Yaquina Head Lighthouse. So a lot of people get
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Speaker 1: them confused, but this one's like actual. What you're picturing
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Speaker 1: a lighthouse to be is what it looks like. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It was first lit in eighteen seventy three and still
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Speaker 1: runs today. Wow. So back to Yaquina Bay Lighthouse. The
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Speaker 1: first one we talked about, the old wooden one in
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Speaker 1: nineteen forty six. It was sitting there waiting to be
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Speaker 1: demolished because it wasn't operational anymore. I think they used
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Speaker 1: it for some other things in between, but it wasn't
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Speaker 1: an operating lighthouse anymore. And I listened to a podcast
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Speaker 1: episode from Wicked West ooh, and it's kind of like
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Speaker 1: a newsy I like a podcast, but they were talking
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Speaker 1: to a historian and an all Meyer he said literally
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Speaker 1: what I wrote. They were talking to historian and he
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Speaker 1: said the locals fought to keep it standing and they
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Speaker 1: formed a human chain around it. And I think, like,
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Speaker 1: I think he was being literal. I don't think he was.
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Speaker 2: I was gonna say that sounds like very you know,
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Speaker 2: uh green peace protest. But honestly, it definitely sounds like
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Speaker 2: something that could happen here.
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Speaker 1: It was like the seventies, in the forties.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, come on.
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Speaker 1: Then the Lincoln County Historical Society was formed to try
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Speaker 1: to save the lighthouse, like this is. That's the reason
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Speaker 1: it was formed. And it was a struggle for them
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Speaker 1: for many years until it was finally recognized as a
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Speaker 1: historical site and turned into a museum and that ran
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Speaker 1: until the seventies, and then after that it was finally
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Speaker 1: listed on the National Register of Historic Places so it
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Speaker 1: could be restored.
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Speaker 2: There you go, that's what you gotta do.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but at least they saved it by getting they
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Speaker 1: got it designated as a historical site first. Yeah, eventually
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Speaker 1: in the seventies, which it took a really long time,
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Speaker 1: but I got there. It took a minute, and then
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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety six it was actually lit once again
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Speaker 1: and it still is lit today. Oh I love that.
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Speaker 1: And it is part of Yaquina Bay State Park, so
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Speaker 1: you can go visit it today too.
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Speaker 2: Very cool. Well, you know we love a lighthouse.
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Speaker 1: I know we do. It totally made me think of
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Speaker 1: Port Townsend this whole time, like, I want to go visit.
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Speaker 1: I want to go back and visit, and I want
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Speaker 1: to go visit more lighthouses. I just want to go
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Speaker 1: to all the lighthouses, you know.
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Speaker 2: Honestly, I actually found some of the parascenalia from our
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Speaker 2: Port Townsend trip when I was I took a day
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Speaker 2: off to really do some cool stuff and I'm freeing. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I took a day off work I could organize the
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Speaker 2: closet in the.
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Speaker 1: Pod lab, oh my gosh.
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Speaker 2: And then I started organizing and processing all of the
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Speaker 2: all of the groceries for vacuum ceiling and freezing.
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Speaker 1: She's going crazy over there, you guys.
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Speaker 2: Super cool stuff over here. Lots of fancy plastic bins
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Speaker 2: and organization happening.
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Speaker 1: That's the very heavy meat rollers.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, listen, could I have bought almost any
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Speaker 2: rolling pin. Yeah, probably, but knowing me, would I number one?
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Speaker 2: Pick one that is marble obviously Number two that could
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Speaker 2: be used as a deadly weapon.
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Speaker 1: Well sure, And in case you want to make pie crust,
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Speaker 1: I told you it's really good for pie crest because
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Speaker 1: it stays cold. Yeah, I really want that in your
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Speaker 1: pie crest.
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Speaker 2: I'm not worried about that being a temptation, to be honest.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Or croissants, I'd like to you could make Chris. Wait,
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Speaker 1: do you even you roll croissants out? I don't even know. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you do, I know you do.
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Speaker 2: I don't know, Honestly, the very brief free trial of
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Speaker 2: this whole tradwife subscription thing, I you know, unsubscribed. I'd
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Speaker 2: like to cancel.
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Speaker 1: Bit you got a marble rolling pin, make me a croissant.
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Speaker 2: I know, I'm gonna get right on it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, anyway, enough about that, Let's get back to the lighthouses.
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Speaker 1: You guys, you're throwing us off topic, creepy people. Just
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Speaker 1: you know, we're trying to we have a mission here, okay,
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Speaker 1: sisly so you quinn A Bay Lighthouse was clearly loved
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Speaker 1: by the locals, but not just for its historical value.
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Speaker 1: What made this place well known was actually a ghost story.
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Speaker 2: Nah, imagine that, I bet, I bet not. I bet
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Speaker 2: that I had nothing to do with it.
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Speaker 1: Nope, it had a lot to do with it. And
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you about it all right. In eighteen
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Speaker 1: eighty nine, m Miller wrote a short story called The
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Speaker 1: Haunted Lighthouse Lisian about this lighthouse Litien. Yeah, it's l
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Speaker 1: ch e n wow. Okay, listien. That's how they pronounced
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Speaker 1: it in the podcast, So I say, that's right. Interesting.
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Speaker 1: It was about a teenage girl named Muriel, which I
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Speaker 1: freaking just love that name. I don't know why. It
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Speaker 1: just reminds me of like the little old granny Muriel.
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Speaker 2: I feel like Muriel makes me think of myrtle, and
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Speaker 2: then I think of moaning myrtle.
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Speaker 1: Ooh, I love that too.
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Speaker 2: Just free word association.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So it was about a teenage girl named Muriel
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Speaker 1: who mysteriously died inside the lighthouse. She and a group
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Speaker 1: of friends managed to get the key and go explore inside.
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Speaker 1: They found the building was in disrepair, and they also
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Speaker 1: found a mysterious trap door leading to the ocean that
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Speaker 1: they assumed was for smugglers. I mean, that seems like
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Speaker 1: a fair assumtion legit. As they were leaving, she realized
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Speaker 1: she left her handkerchief behind. Handkerchief, handkerchief.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think people say it differently, like in
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Speaker 2: I think it's a regional thing. But yeah, I've always
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Speaker 2: heard her kerchief her curchief. I know I do like that.
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Speaker 1: Actually, So she left this very important handkerchief behind and
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Speaker 1: turned back to go and get it. And I'm going
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Speaker 1: to read you guys the end of the story. And
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Speaker 1: if you want the full story, because it's pretty long,
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Speaker 1: I'll have it linked in the past bind for you
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Speaker 1: so you can get the rest of it's the rest
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Speaker 1: of the context. I kind of just put in a
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Speaker 1: couple sentences, but you can read the full thing, ok,
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Speaker 1: if you wish. So this is Muriel talking to one
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Speaker 1: of her friends. She went with Harold Welch Welsh, probably Welsh,
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Speaker 1: not Welch's grape juice.
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Speaker 2: He's the heir to the weltious motion.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe go hair Old, get it. Okay, So this
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Speaker 1: is the start of the story I will be reading,
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Speaker 1: or well it's the end. Oh okay, I'm starting to
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Speaker 1: read the end of the story. Now go perfect. I'm
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Speaker 1: going in alone, she said, you are not to wait.
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Speaker 1: Lock the door and go on. I will come out
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Speaker 1: through the kitchen. He objected, but she was obstinate, and,
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Speaker 1: perhaps because her lightest wish was beginning to be the
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Speaker 1: law of his life, he reluctantly obeyed her. Someone's got
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Speaker 1: a crush that's not in the story, Hollie. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: was going to say. That is some flowery stuff there.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's very flowery wording. I like it. When
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Speaker 1: he reached the rear of the house, Muriel was nowhere
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Speaker 1: to be seen. He called her two or three times
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Speaker 1: and waited, but, receiving no reply, concluded that she had
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Speaker 1: hurried out and joined the rest whose voices came to
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Speaker 1: him from the avenue of Pines. I just I really
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Speaker 1: like that part.
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Speaker 2: I like that part too.
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Speaker 1: She had been nervous and a little irritable all afternoon,
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Speaker 1: so unlike herself that he had wondered more than once
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Speaker 1: if she were ill or weary. Of his close attendants,
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Speaker 1: Oh boy, if you could see the eye rolls we
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Speaker 1: gave the camera. Oh no, I mean you can't, but
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Speaker 1: if you could hear those. It occurred to him now
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Speaker 1: that possibly she had taken this means to rid herself
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Speaker 1: of this company. He hurried on, for it was growing
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Speaker 1: cold and the fog was thickening to a rain. He
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Speaker 1: had just caught up with the stragglers of the party,
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Speaker 1: and they were beginning to chafe him at being alone,
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Speaker 1: when the somber stillness of the darkening day was rent
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Speaker 1: by a shriek so wild and weird that they who
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Speaker 1: heard it felt the blood freeze suddenly in their veins.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you should have someone to take a look at that.
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Speaker 2: I don't think that's normal. I'm not a doctor.
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Speaker 1: They shrank involuntarily closer and looked at each other with
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Speaker 1: blanched cheeks and startled eyes. Before anyone found voice, it
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Speaker 1: came again. This time it was a cry for help,
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Speaker 1: Thrice repeated in quick succession. I love the word thrice.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I love the word thrice. And I also really
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Speaker 2: enjoy the word blanche. I don't enjoy the activity as previously.
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Speaker 1: That is kind of funny. That's so weird, because that's
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Speaker 1: not a word that we hear that often, and I've
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Speaker 1: heard it several times now today.
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Speaker 2: In less than an hour, I have said or heard
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Speaker 2: the word blanche more times than I have outside of
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Speaker 2: watching an episode of fucking Golden Girls in my entire life,
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Speaker 2: like blanch Deborah debor, I assume blanche cheeks means like
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Speaker 2: the blood right of their faces. Yeah, it's really interestin
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Speaker 2: because it's got to be like kind of the opposite
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Speaker 2: of blushing, right, Like, Yeah, that's what I picture like
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Speaker 2: when you just go pale, like when you're sickly.
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Speaker 1: Yea, when you hear a weird and wild shriek in
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Speaker 1: the dead of night.
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Speaker 2: I know I've never heard that. I don't want to Muriel.
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Speaker 1: Where is Muriel? Demanded Welsh, his heart leaping in sudden fear.
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Speaker 1: Why you ought to know? Cried Cora may who's another
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Speaker 1: one of the friends in the group. We left her
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Speaker 1: with you.
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Speaker 2: Anybody with like two very like pageant princess names like
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Speaker 2: that Coora may kor may Oh. She's gonna start all
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Speaker 2: kinds of rumors about what happened here?
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Speaker 1: Would you do well? She boy, mark my words. They
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Speaker 1: hurried toward the deserted house. She went back to get
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Speaker 1: her handkerchief, explained Welsh. She told me not to wait,
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Speaker 1: and I locked the door and came on locked her
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Speaker 1: in that horrid place. Why did you do it? That's
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Speaker 1: the appropriate reaction. Yes, she is a girl's girl. She
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Speaker 1: said she would come out by way of the kitchen,
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Speaker 1: replied he. She could not. The door's locked. The key
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Speaker 1: is broken off in the lock, said another. I noticed
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Speaker 1: it when we were rummaging around in there, and you
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Speaker 1: didn't think to tell it. Hey, tell everyone, Like, why
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Speaker 1: didn't everyone know that? Why didn't Muriel know?
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Speaker 2: It just feels like that's insight, that's kind of you know,
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Speaker 2: hindsight's twenty twenty, of course, but like, where were you about,
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Speaker 2: I don't know, three minutes ago.
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Speaker 1: Maybe he was about to tell them, and that's when
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Speaker 1: someone found the trap door, and it just kind of
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Speaker 1: got lost, you know. Could we don't know their life.
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Speaker 1: They begin to call encouragingly, Muriel, we are coming, don't
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Speaker 1: be afraid, but they got no reply. Oh, let us hurry,
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Speaker 1: urged Cora. Perhaps she is fainted with fright. Oh boy.
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Speaker 1: In a very few minutes, they were pouring into the
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Speaker 1: house and looking and calling through the lower rooms upstairs,
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Speaker 1: and there upon the floor in the upper chamber, where
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Speaker 1: the gray light came in through the curtainless windows, they
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Speaker 1: found a pool of warm red blood. Oh, I got gooseys,
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Speaker 1: there were blood drops in the hall and on the
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Speaker 1: stairs that led up to the landing, and in the
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Speaker 1: linen closet they picked up a blood stained handkerchief.
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Speaker 2: I know, a hanky, a bloody hanky.
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Speaker 1: That sounds like a pirate or something bloody.
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Speaker 2: Or an Aussie.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, we're laughing in the middle of this scary story.
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Speaker 1: It's because we're scary. Yeah, But there was nothing else.
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Speaker 1: The iron door had been replaced, the panel in the
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Speaker 1: wainscotting closed. That's the trap door that they found. They
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Speaker 1: found it like behind this panel in the wainscoting. Oh,
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Speaker 1: and there was an iron door.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean it makes sense too, because it's like
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Speaker 2: it's obviously been like somewhat hidden, and if it was
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Speaker 2: used for bootleggers, it wouldn't need to be.
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Speaker 1: And try as they might, they could not open it,
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Speaker 1: which they'd opened it before, and now they can't. So
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Speaker 1: that's a little weird.
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Speaker 2: I don't like that.
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Speaker 1: They were confronted by an apparent tragedy, appalled by fearful mystery,
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Speaker 1: and they could do nothing nothing. They returned to the
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Speaker 1: village and gave alarm and reinforced came back and renewed
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Speaker 1: the hopeless search with lanterns. They ransacked the house again
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Speaker 1: and again, from tower to cellar. They scoured the hills
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Speaker 1: in the vain delusion that she might have escaped from
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Speaker 1: the house and wandered off in the fog. But they
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Speaker 1: found nothing, nor ever did save the blood drops on
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Speaker 1: the stairs and the little handkerchief, and I guess the
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Speaker 1: pool of blood.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, that feels that feels notable.
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Speaker 1: This feels like a no body, no crime situation. So
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Speaker 1: what's happening with that?
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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, I hate to go all true crime.
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Speaker 2: I know this is your episode, but.
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Speaker 1: I didn't even mention it in the beginning. Apparently it's
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Speaker 1: not my fault. As time went by, the story was
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Speaker 1: forgotten by all but those who joined in that weary
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Speaker 1: search for the missing girl. But to this day it
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Speaker 1: is said that the blood stains are dark upon the
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Speaker 1: floor in that upper chamber, and one there who has
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Speaker 1: carried the little handkerchief next to his heart till the
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Speaker 1: hour of his own tragic death. Oh, assuming that was Welsh. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: what happened? What happened Harold? So apparently he you know,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what happened to him, but I don't know.
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Speaker 1: It seems kind of either he had a crush on
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Speaker 1: her or he killed her and that's why he's carrying
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Speaker 1: the handkerchief, right. I mean, also, two things can be true.
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Speaker 1: Maybe she turned him down. He did say she was
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Speaker 1: being a little spicy that day, so maybe she pissed
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Speaker 1: him off. We don't know. Yeah, So one of the
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Speaker 1: many questions people have about this story is did Lycian M.
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Speaker 1: Miller just make this story up? Or was she recounting
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Speaker 1: true events? Either way, this ghost may have saved Yaquina
21:27
Speaker 1: Bay Lighthouse, just so you guys know, is presented as
21:31
Speaker 1: it was a short story in a magazine, so it
21:34
Speaker 1: was presented as fiction. But people are like, was it though?
21:39
Speaker 2: We don't know, But it seems like we should be
21:43
Speaker 2: able to answer that question.
21:45
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, because you're keeping in eighteen hundreds.
21:50
Speaker 1: I don't know.
21:51
Speaker 2: The Oregonian's been around for a long time.
21:55
Speaker 1: I don't know. If there was a death on your property,
21:57
Speaker 1: would you want everyone to know about it? I don't know.
21:59
Speaker 2: Well, all reporters don't care what you want to be
22:03
Speaker 2: in the paper.
22:04
Speaker 1: So I mean, it is fiction. It's a work of fiction.
22:07
Speaker 1: But some people question.
22:09
Speaker 2: A legendly, was it.
22:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is another ghost that is said to show
22:14
Speaker 1: itself on the grounds of the Aquina Bay Lighthouse, Captain
22:18
Speaker 1: Evan mclare who died when his whaling ship crashed into
22:24
Speaker 1: the Devil's Punch Bowl in eighteen seventy four. And this
22:28
Speaker 1: is a verified crash. Oh so this is recordized and
22:33
Speaker 1: he and he died. Yeah, I think so, I assume so.
22:38
Speaker 1: I think it said that there was a record of
22:40
Speaker 1: that too, but definitely the ship crashed.
22:42
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, okay, okay.
22:44
Speaker 1: And I didn't I mean, I didn't go searching the
22:46
Speaker 1: wrecords myself, you know and reading articles. So although the
22:50
Speaker 1: Devil's Punch Bowl is about nine miles north of the
22:53
Speaker 1: Auquina Bay Lighthouse in the unincorporated community of Otter Rock,
22:59
Speaker 1: it is said that Captain mcluur's spirit followed the light
23:02
Speaker 1: that was supposed to bring him to safety. So that's
23:06
Speaker 1: how we ended up nine miles down wind. Oh, people
23:10
Speaker 1: see him staring up at it, the light before he
23:13
Speaker 1: disappears into the salty air. Salty. He's one of those
23:19
Speaker 1: ghosts that does your favorite thing. They just disappear right before.
23:22
Speaker 2: You as Yeah, I don't like that. I feel like
23:25
Speaker 2: if you could just maybe not gaslight me.
23:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, gaslighting ghosts.
23:32
Speaker 2: Yes, I just you know, I just don't. I don't
23:35
Speaker 2: know that. I no, thank you.
23:38
Speaker 1: Since you brought up the Devil's punch bowl, I guess
23:40
Speaker 1: we'll talk a little bit more about it, because it's
23:42
Speaker 1: pretty interesting.
23:44
Speaker 2: Okay, I was hoping there was more.
23:48
Speaker 1: Legend says it was created by the devil punching a
23:51
Speaker 1: hole in the earth. He was thrown a little mini
23:53
Speaker 1: fit and he just punched a hole in the earth.
23:56
Speaker 1: I thought he was just thirsty. Maybe he was maybe,
24:01
Speaker 1: you know, he's very misunderstood, the devil. I'm just saying.
24:05
Speaker 1: But legends aside science says it was created by the
24:09
Speaker 1: collapse of sea caves and then shaped by the waves.
24:13
Speaker 1: So it literally it looks like a big circle circle
24:16
Speaker 1: of cliff cavey stuff with ocean water in it. Yeah.
24:21
Speaker 1: I don't know.
24:22
Speaker 2: Just to like not to be too on the nose here,
24:24
Speaker 2: but like just to play devil's advocate, say, someone who
24:30
Speaker 2: had a sort of supernatural powers just went nuts on
24:37
Speaker 2: uh on that their area. Couldn't that also, because I
24:42
Speaker 2: don't know, uh, I forget what the thing that you
24:44
Speaker 2: said that it happened the science explanation.
24:49
Speaker 1: Oh, the sea caves collapsed. Yeah.
24:53
Speaker 2: So I mean, if you're if you're just some supernatural
24:57
Speaker 2: uh dickhead, uh, and you're punching stuff, couldn't you punching
25:02
Speaker 2: stuff also collapse the sea caves.
25:05
Speaker 1: I'm just saying two things can be true.
25:07
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, you know, I'm just saying.
25:10
Speaker 1: So it is about one hundred feet in diameter, so
25:13
Speaker 1: it's pretty big double huts, some pretty big fisty fists
25:16
Speaker 1: and whole cans, and possibly as old as eighteen million years. Whoa,
25:23
Speaker 1: So it's been there a minute. That's why, you know,
25:25
Speaker 1: getting carved out by those ways.
25:27
Speaker 2: Right. That's so interesting though, because I thought the I
25:32
Speaker 2: was under the impression that the planet, the world was
25:37
Speaker 2: only a couple thousand years old.
25:40
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how I asked the Uh
25:45
Speaker 1: what are they the people who the Christians? We have
25:50
Speaker 1: to talk to them about it. Yeah, maybe they'll know.
25:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, we could write into VeggieTales.
25:57
Speaker 1: I want to come on the pod talk about the
26:00
Speaker 1: Devil's punch bowl. Speaking of you like to talk to tomatoes.
26:09
Speaker 1: It is also known as Satan's cauldron, which because during
26:15
Speaker 1: high tide, seawater fills up the cave and swirls around
26:18
Speaker 1: like a churning cauldron.
26:20
Speaker 2: Ooh, honestly, you can't go wrong.
26:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just like it because witchy. It's more witchy.
26:26
Speaker 2: It is more witchy. The homemaker in me loves a
26:30
Speaker 2: punch bowl, but.
26:33
Speaker 1: It's not a cauldron. The swamp which in me, likes
26:36
Speaker 1: the cauldron. You can visit and look down on the
26:40
Speaker 1: Devil's punch bowl or the Satan's cauldron from a viewpoint,
26:44
Speaker 1: or you can actually go down into the cave, but
26:47
Speaker 1: you can only enter a low tide and be sure
26:50
Speaker 1: not to get caught in their high tide. There have
26:54
Speaker 1: been some deaths and some close calls. Yeah, to make
26:57
Speaker 1: sure you know the timing of that, because it can
26:59
Speaker 1: be really dangerous.
27:00
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I have to imagine that leads
27:03
Speaker 2: to a serious case of deadness.
27:07
Speaker 1: Drowning, Yeah, yeah, drowning.
27:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, yikes.
27:13
Speaker 1: So some of the pictures from in there look so cool.
27:15
Speaker 1: I kind of I like, I'm kind of scared to
27:17
Speaker 1: go because I really don't want to drown.
27:19
Speaker 2: But hey, well, you know, as long as all the
27:22
Speaker 2: tides just don't get distracted, we'd have to set like
27:25
Speaker 2: multiple alarms on our phones to make sure we like leave, you.
27:29
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, definitely, Like, oh it's so magical. Oh, look
27:33
Speaker 1: at that the water does seem to be rising. Early
27:39
Speaker 1: in the eighteen hundreds, the land belonged to a man
27:42
Speaker 1: named Dope Spencer. No, I don't know if this is
27:47
Speaker 1: his real name, because article says that he was from
27:49
Speaker 1: a local tribe and it didn't say which one. So
27:53
Speaker 1: I found that the first people in the area were
27:56
Speaker 1: the Yakona. Oh, so I assume that's what he was from.
27:59
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if Dope Spencer was his
28:01
Speaker 1: actual name or not, if he was from the Yokona. Yeah,
28:06
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent.
28:07
Speaker 2: A lot of questions to be Yeah, I feel as
28:12
Speaker 2: though your instincts are are right on point.
28:15
Speaker 1: Though I tried. I tried harder than the article I
28:19
Speaker 1: found this in. Yeah, the story is like kind of silly,
28:23
Speaker 1: but I wanted to add it because you know, it's
28:25
Speaker 1: cool and weird in the Pacific Northwest and we wanna
28:29
Speaker 1: and be nasty. Yeah. So he claimed until his dying
28:34
Speaker 1: day that he was attacked by little flying men in
28:38
Speaker 1: the cave.
28:39
Speaker 2: Okay, So I don't know, Maybe Dope was his real name.
28:43
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that's when people start calling him after they
28:47
Speaker 1: heard this, because most people, I'm not sure about them,
28:50
Speaker 1: but definitely nowadays think it.
28:52
Speaker 2: Might have just been bats, freaking bats.
28:55
Speaker 1: But still him and his people stayed away, And I
28:59
Speaker 1: don't know if that's it's necessarily a bad thing, because like,
29:02
Speaker 1: who wants to be attacked by bats? For one?
29:05
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like I'm looking at the one
29:08
Speaker 2: girl I know I don't want.
29:10
Speaker 1: To be attacked. I want them to be my friend.
29:12
Speaker 2: I don't think they would attack you.
29:15
Speaker 1: Maybe they were just trying to give him a hug.
29:17
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
29:18
Speaker 1: Bats are very misunderstood, just like the devil. Yeah, but
29:22
Speaker 1: he possibly saved people from being caught in a turning
29:25
Speaker 1: cauldron at high tide too, So like, is it the worst.
29:29
Speaker 2: Thing in the world, right, I mean a little bit
29:32
Speaker 2: of misinformation oftentimes very problematic. However, sometimes miss legends parables
29:43
Speaker 2: if you will, can I think be used for good? Yeah,
29:47
Speaker 2: he may not have had that intention even but.
29:51
Speaker 1: Maybe he ate a wild mushroom and you know, maybe
29:54
Speaker 1: he really was attacked by flying little men in his head.
30:00
Speaker 2: Those things be happening if you're just eating wild mushrooms.
30:03
Speaker 1: Right, we don't know what's like, we don't know Dope's life,
30:06
Speaker 1: Dope Spencer.
30:07
Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah. I actually just came across an article
30:11
Speaker 2: I think it was in the Oregonian, and it was
30:14
Speaker 2: actually something that happened in California. I haven't hud chance
30:18
Speaker 2: to look into it deeper, but apparently there's been a
30:20
Speaker 2: real spate of poisoning deaths related to mushrooms in California.
30:28
Speaker 1: Like people eating them or like, yes, in the wild,
30:31
Speaker 1: not from the store. Correct.
30:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're foraging. And whether they're doing so
30:35
Speaker 2: with the intention of foraging for food or they're trying
30:39
Speaker 2: to mushroom hunt for like psychedelic purposes, I couldn't tell you.
30:43
Speaker 2: I just I haven't looked into it deeper. But really
30:46
Speaker 2: gotta be careful, and you really really do. There are
30:49
Speaker 2: actually I know that, like, there are a lot of
30:53
Speaker 2: mushrooms that like, there are some they have like dupes
30:57
Speaker 2: or doppelgangers that are like very like they're so hard
31:01
Speaker 2: to tell apart. And one of them is like totally benign.
31:05
Speaker 2: You could eat it all day every day, and the
31:08
Speaker 2: doubleganger is like I will fuck you up.
31:11
Speaker 1: You did. What if they're making more of those, like
31:14
Speaker 1: mushrooms are smart. What if they're onto us and they're
31:17
Speaker 1: like these bitches and you stop picking us in the
31:19
Speaker 1: woods and we're all just gonna turn poison. So fuck
31:22
Speaker 1: y'all humans.
31:24
Speaker 2: I'm just saying this could be you know, like the
31:27
Speaker 2: before clip of The Last of Us.
31:31
Speaker 1: Ooh, I was thinking wait, I was also thinking of
31:36
Speaker 1: what's that movie where like the plants attack that started
31:38
Speaker 1: attacking the people.
31:40
Speaker 3: The happening, yeah, happening too, significantly less awesome than the
31:47
Speaker 3: Last of Us, But I you know what, fuck it.
31:50
Speaker 1: I love it.
31:51
Speaker 2: I love the happening. I love the happening. I like
31:55
Speaker 2: it too.
31:56
Speaker 1: I love Zoey Dachanel.
31:58
Speaker 2: I know. I think that's why. No, it's a good movie.
32:01
Speaker 2: It's very campy. I mean it's not like good good.
32:06
Speaker 2: Let's just like it's not winning awards. But like I
32:09
Speaker 2: enjoyed it.
32:10
Speaker 1: Ouki doesn't one guy run himself over with a lawnmower?
32:13
Speaker 1: That shit's scary?
32:14
Speaker 2: He sure does. Yeah, it was horrifying.
32:19
Speaker 1: Fuck the Last of Us. It sucks and I will
32:21
Speaker 1: never ever watch the third season if it comes. Is
32:24
Speaker 1: there gonna be a third season? No? Oh, I'm not
32:27
Speaker 1: doing it. I refuse, I refuse. There are also some
32:31
Speaker 1: ghost stories at Yaquina Head Lighthouse, which is the one
32:35
Speaker 1: that was built at the better location. It was taller whatever,
32:40
Speaker 1: she's cooler like, are the ghosts taller or possibly? Well, yeah,
32:47
Speaker 1: because they're men, so they're probably taller than Murial.
32:50
Speaker 2: Oh that's there.
32:52
Speaker 1: A legendly a construction worker fell to his death and
32:56
Speaker 1: they unfortunately could not recover his body, what, leaving him
33:01
Speaker 1: sealed inside the walls of the light. Ah, what, I'll
33:07
Speaker 1: keep going, you'll see. Another story is of keeper Higgins,
33:14
Speaker 1: who allegedly passed away in the lighthouse on duty. But
33:19
Speaker 1: apparently there are no records that anyone died during construction
33:24
Speaker 1: or in the building at all.
33:27
Speaker 2: Yes, same as Disneyland. They just drag them off the property.
33:32
Speaker 1: See, we don't know. Keeper Higgins did die much later.
33:38
Speaker 1: There is record of this after leaving the lighthouse service,
33:42
Speaker 1: so he didn't die in the lighthouse. But do we
33:46
Speaker 1: know really about the construction worker? I don't know. Do
33:48
Speaker 1: we trust the old timey record keeping? Did they want
33:52
Speaker 1: people to know that someone is in the walls of
33:54
Speaker 1: the lighthouse? No, probably not. But the historians say it's
33:59
Speaker 1: not true. You be the judge. Go visit see if
34:02
Speaker 1: you see a ghost in the walls.
34:04
Speaker 2: Well, now, I'm just so afraid any place that we go,
34:08
Speaker 2: if there really is like enough like energy, whether it's.
34:12
Speaker 1: Good or bad. I'm like, that's how we know. I know.
34:16
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I just have to suffer, like I'm
34:19
Speaker 2: I'm on a boat. I'm on a boat for like
34:22
Speaker 2: three days so that we can find out whether it's real.
34:25
Speaker 1: You take one for the team, man, because I can't
34:30
Speaker 1: see ghosts. Apparently you have to feel them for me.
34:35
Speaker 2: It's my cross to bear, I guess.
34:37
Speaker 1: So I'm all done with the story. But I do
34:39
Speaker 1: have a little personal connection with the Yuquina Head Lighthouse,
34:43
Speaker 1: which is that second one, the fancy one. Although I've
34:48
Speaker 1: never been there. I haven't been there yet, but my
34:52
Speaker 1: grammy loved lighthouses and this one was her favorite one.
34:56
Speaker 1: And we have this really sweet picture. I had my
35:00
Speaker 1: mom send it to me today of her in front
35:03
Speaker 1: of the lighthouse and it's like, you'll see, it's just
35:06
Speaker 1: the cutest thing because it looks old, you know, because
35:09
Speaker 1: you know, she's my grands and this was taken when
35:12
Speaker 1: she was younger.
35:13
Speaker 2: Oh my God, Cassie, I know, isn't it so good? God? Wow,
35:22
Speaker 2: Like I'm I'm truly like I'm speechless. That is such
35:26
Speaker 2: a gorgeous photo.
35:27
Speaker 1: I know, I love it. And that was her absolute
35:30
Speaker 1: favorite lighthouse.
35:31
Speaker 2: She is serving up some like real boss lady Vie.
35:39
Speaker 2: I don't know how else about it, like no, I
35:41
Speaker 2: mean she just like wow.
35:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love the oversized scarf. Yes, I'm into it.
35:48
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
35:49
Speaker 3: I know.
35:49
Speaker 2: That's why, like I can't wait to go back to London.
35:52
Speaker 2: Everybody just wears scarves.
35:53
Speaker 1: All the ti. And then so my mom actually has
35:59
Speaker 1: a tattoo of this lighthouse because my grammy passed away.
36:03
Speaker 1: So after that, she got a tattoo of the lighthouse
36:06
Speaker 1: and they did like a little silhouette of her at
36:09
Speaker 1: the lighthouse in the tattoo.
36:11
Speaker 2: Oh my god god.
36:14
Speaker 1: And so my mom just went to visit the lighthouse
36:16
Speaker 1: last month. So I sent you a picture of my
36:18
Speaker 1: mom too, showing off her tattoo from the lighthouse.
36:24
Speaker 2: Don't cry, it's Julie, you stupid bit.
36:28
Speaker 1: Don't do it.
36:31
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
36:33
Speaker 1: Oh but yeah, so that's my little connection. That's kind
36:36
Speaker 1: of why I I wanted to do an episode on it.
36:40
Speaker 1: Just because I was like, oh, that would be cool.
36:42
Speaker 1: It's probably haunted, right, But then I found this whole
36:44
Speaker 1: other lighthouse and this whole other cool story. So yeah,
36:49
Speaker 1: but that's all I got. Should we let Caitlin dry
36:52
Speaker 1: her tears? And this is like this is one the
36:56
Speaker 1: one I wrote a while ago, and I was like,
37:00
Speaker 1: I just like couldn't for some reason. Yeah. Yeah, it
37:04
Speaker 1: was like around my Grammy's birthday. I was like, yeah,
37:07
Speaker 1: so I'm like I don't know, I just like I can't.
37:10
Speaker 1: I'm finish, it just not there yet. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
37:13
Speaker 1: but it worked out because my mom went there like
37:15
Speaker 1: last month and got pictures for me, so totally worked.
37:18
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
37:20
Speaker 2: No, I mean I totally get it. No, I mean
37:22
Speaker 2: we talked about it for a while, you know, I
37:26
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, it wasn't even anything to do with
37:30
Speaker 2: the case. But like you know, when we you know,
37:34
Speaker 2: at the start of the year lost Charlie and everything,
37:38
Speaker 2: I was like, I selfishly just want to announce our
37:43
Speaker 2: happy news with Charlotte. I'm just not there yet. I'm
37:47
Speaker 2: still processing. And that was like, you know, it had
37:52
Speaker 2: already been some time, it had been a little while
37:55
Speaker 2: coming at that point, but yeah, I mean you just
37:59
Speaker 2: you just have to get there. When you get there.
38:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's tear about it.
38:05
Speaker 2: Okay, so you want to use the P ANDW dock.
38:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm feeling that deck.
38:12
Speaker 2: I bet you are.
38:13
Speaker 1: You need to get like a lighthouse deck.
38:15
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a cool idea. There's got to be one
38:18
Speaker 2: out there, right, Honestly, we would have to send Zandy
38:22
Speaker 2: another deck if we find a light outside.
38:25
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know there's like a there's lighthouse decks
38:29
Speaker 1: of cards, because we did use one in Port Townsend.
38:34
Speaker 1: They had one in the little the house that we
38:36
Speaker 1: stayed in, the keeper's house, they had a little deck
38:39
Speaker 1: of a lighthouse cards, just.
38:40
Speaker 2: Like regular playing cards, right, yeah, yeah, okay. Charlotte woke
38:47
Speaker 2: up when the power went out, because of course I
38:51
Speaker 2: was like, what the f I literally I did the
38:55
Speaker 2: Widow's Bay freaking and then I mean we were in
39:00
Speaker 2: the middle of a ghost story.
39:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like kind.
39:02
Speaker 2: Of freaking out.
39:04
Speaker 1: Yeah.
39:05
Speaker 2: Well, then the power came back on and then like
39:09
Speaker 2: everything in the entire apartment beeps, and.
39:13
Speaker 1: She was like, hello, excuse my nap.
39:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so I'm gonna spread these out in front of.
39:24
Speaker 1: My cable.
39:26
Speaker 2: Okay, you just kind of tell me, like if you
39:30
Speaker 2: want to go directionally, if you want to say, like
39:33
Speaker 2: a letter or number key.
39:36
Speaker 1: I was thinking about let's do a letter key. We'll
39:38
Speaker 1: go for B because my grandma's name was Barbara. And
39:41
Speaker 1: then it's also right under the G for grammy, so
39:43
Speaker 1: that works.
39:45
Speaker 2: The vibe is strong. And actually there's a section of
39:50
Speaker 2: the cards that's kind of like it's like a couple
39:53
Speaker 2: of them that are like poking up ooh, left, right
39:58
Speaker 2: or center.
40:01
Speaker 1: Oh, this is interesting.
40:03
Speaker 2: So I drew this in the reverse so I don't
40:05
Speaker 2: forget this is the six of Pentacles. I don't think
40:08
Speaker 2: we've gotten this from this deck. Okay, what's interesting is
40:13
Speaker 2: I was like, this is kind of an odd card,
40:16
Speaker 2: except you see this almost looks like kind of a cauldron.
40:20
Speaker 2: Oh and then does this is a ginormous tall tree.
40:24
Speaker 2: It makes me think of a lighthouse.
40:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is really cool. Now we have to know
40:31
Speaker 1: the story from the little book so we can see,
40:33
Speaker 1: like what if it says what the trees are? Or like,
40:36
Speaker 1: what interesting we got pentacles because they're kind of like
40:38
Speaker 1: pentagrams if you turn them upside down. I mean they
40:42
Speaker 1: are pentagrams if you turn them up back.
40:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I understand why you would say
40:48
Speaker 2: they're kind of like because I feel like the intent
40:52
Speaker 2: can like is kind of different.
40:55
Speaker 1: If that makes sense. Yeah, that's true.
40:57
Speaker 2: You know, nurse log red Vole, our keywords are generosity, charity, giving, sharing, wealth,
41:07
Speaker 2: help and support, receiving what you need, and gratitude.
41:12
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I mean I know we got it in reverse,
41:16
Speaker 1: but those keywords are like how the lighthouse got saved. Yeah, yeah,
41:21
Speaker 1: that reminds me.
41:22
Speaker 2: Of for sure. It's like part of a I litteral Okay,
41:26
Speaker 2: the word I want to say is in the first sentence.
41:29
Speaker 2: So in life, the tree supported an ecosystem. It gave
41:34
Speaker 2: its limbs and bark as shelter. It gave its leaves
41:38
Speaker 2: and seeds as sustenance. As it grew bigger, it took
41:42
Speaker 2: pride in providing more for more and more inhabitants. It
41:47
Speaker 2: had much to give, and it gave freely. But all
41:51
Speaker 2: life comes to an end. Oh that's crazy.
41:56
Speaker 1: All we talked about was death and ghosts and the
41:58
Speaker 1: migramy diet Jesus. Okay.
42:02
Speaker 2: When the tree fell, the crash of branches sent insects,
42:07
Speaker 2: birds and rodents, scattering in all directions. But even grounded,
42:13
Speaker 2: the tree had more to give. As it decayed, its
42:17
Speaker 2: bark softened into a rich loam, becoming fertile ground for
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Speaker 2: the falling seeds of its neighbors. A patina of moss
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Speaker 2: spread over its surface, in sync, in sync, in sync,
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Speaker 2: Bye bye bye dead tree. I don't think that's going
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Speaker 2: to make it to the top forty anyways, You never know,
42:45
Speaker 2: you never know. Yeah, it could be a TikTok sound,
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Speaker 2: and I mean that would be enough for me. But
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Speaker 2: insects delved even deeper into its wood to make new homes,
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Speaker 2: hollow spaces, sheltered frogs and fowl and fun guy. In depth,
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Speaker 2: the tree supported an ecosystem. Ooh, we talked about mushrooms randomly.
43:10
Speaker 2: It mentioned birds what we talked about earlier. Also, you
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Speaker 2: said fertile and fertile reminds me of fertile myrtle, and
43:18
Speaker 2: then moaning myrtle. So many connections things also okay, but
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Speaker 2: in realness, for real connections. The Quina Bay Lighthouse is
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Speaker 2: the only wood wooden leg.
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Speaker 1: Yes, so we got that's interesting. We got talked about
43:34
Speaker 1: the wood. Oh my god, that's really cool.
43:38
Speaker 2: Before the reverse interpretation. There is an extra excerpt, and
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Speaker 2: I'm going to read it first, even though normally I
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Speaker 2: like to do the interpretation first. But be content with
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Speaker 2: what you have, rejoice in the way things are when
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Speaker 2: you realize there is nothing lacking. The whole world belongs
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Speaker 2: to you.
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Speaker 1: Oh but I don't know about that, because if the
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Speaker 1: people just what was the first line, but be content
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Speaker 1: with how things.
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Speaker 2: Are, be content with what you have, like, then the
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Speaker 2: lighthouse would have been rejoice in the way things are,
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Speaker 2: which I feel like. But the lighthouse was there and
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Speaker 2: they wanted to keep it, so like they're yeah, you're right, Yeah,
44:21
Speaker 2: I feel like you can kind of spin that turn
44:24
Speaker 2: of phrase.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I see what you mean. Yeah, I get it.
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Speaker 1: The form of human chain around it. You want to
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Speaker 1: keep it forever and ever because you're happy with what
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Speaker 1: you have.
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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, reversed. The six of Pentacles can show
44:37
Speaker 2: unfair financial dealings, unreliable colleagues, or unpaid debts. Perhaps a
44:43
Speaker 2: project or investment doesn't materialize as you'd hoped, or the
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Speaker 2: strings attached to it choke you.
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Speaker 1: Yikes. Oh shit, dude, it did take them a while
44:56
Speaker 1: to get it saved. Yeah, Like there was a lot
44:58
Speaker 1: of a lot of things.
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Speaker 2: Things happening six suggests relying on others for financial support,
45:05
Speaker 2: even taking advantage of their goodwill.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's interesting because I didn't really add this.
45:11
Speaker 1: But some guy from Chicago, who I guess, I think
45:14
Speaker 1: they said he was originally from Oregon, but he was
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Speaker 1: really rich and he came back and like, technically he's
45:20
Speaker 1: the one who saved the lighthouse. Okay, well that's interesting.
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Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, this next part in a reading about money,
45:31
Speaker 2: the reverse six may mean getting involved in a questionable
45:34
Speaker 2: financial endeavor that compromises or obligates you in some way.
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Speaker 2: The payoff may not be what you expected, or you
45:43
Speaker 2: feel unsatisfied with the way your money is handled.
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Speaker 1: I wonder. I don't really know much more than that,
45:50
Speaker 1: but who knows. It was a museum for a while,
45:55
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it wasn't.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean museum famously historical, you know, regional museums,
46:04
Speaker 2: big money makers. Right. If the reading is about your job,
46:09
Speaker 2: you may have difficulty balancing your needs and aspirations with
46:14
Speaker 2: those of your employer. You may become disillusioned at how
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Speaker 2: a company handles resources and responsibilities. That may just be
46:23
Speaker 2: about me personally. It's hard to say.
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Speaker 1: We don't know.
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Speaker 2: In a reading about love, you may feel an inequity
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Speaker 2: in the balance of power. Perhaps your needs aren't being met,
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Speaker 2: or you aren't meeting your partner's needs. The reverse six
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Speaker 2: recommends focusing on give and take in a relationship, supporting
46:46
Speaker 2: and encouraging each other.
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Speaker 1: Muriel and Harold, I'm in but we don't know that,
46:55
Speaker 1: or we're or was he in it and she was not?
46:59
Speaker 1: I then there was no balance?
47:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I mean, we don't know. We
47:06
Speaker 1: can only speculate about this fictional fictional gus.
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Speaker 2: We do, yeah, speculate wildly.
47:15
Speaker 1: I really like though that I had the tree on
47:17
Speaker 1: it and then that little what I don't know what
47:19
Speaker 1: was the circle part? Is it water or is it
47:22
Speaker 1: something else?
47:23
Speaker 2: Punc We don't know that. We got a very clear
47:28
Speaker 2: explanation of that. Let me go back really quick. I
47:31
Speaker 2: almost feel like that's like the hollowed out portion, you
47:35
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Yeah, it says it's a nurse log.
47:40
Speaker 2: Let me see a nurse log. Oh, so like new
47:43
Speaker 2: trees are growing from it? I don't know, let me see. Oh, okay,
47:49
Speaker 2: this makes sense. Okay, So a nurse log is a
47:52
Speaker 2: fallen tree that, as it decays, provides a vital nursery
47:56
Speaker 2: environment for new seedlings and forests vegetation. Nice, Okay, Yeah,
48:03
Speaker 2: you can tell a lot more about this, I think
48:06
Speaker 2: when the image is more clear, Like on the one hand,
48:10
Speaker 2: it still looks like it's like an upright tree, like
48:15
Speaker 2: standing tall, but actually as I look at this more closely,
48:20
Speaker 2: it looks like there are it's like moss, and then
48:24
Speaker 2: a couple of like kind of whether they're like offshoots
48:27
Speaker 2: of the actual tree that is the nurse log, or
48:31
Speaker 2: whether they're new like kind of saplings. There's like branches,
48:36
Speaker 2: So it's hard to say it's This is really interesting
48:39
Speaker 2: because you can kind of like visually and like in
48:43
Speaker 2: a very literal way, you can kind of interpret this
48:47
Speaker 2: multiple ways. And there are mushrooms right here in the
48:50
Speaker 2: like little bottom of the corner. And I mean it's
48:54
Speaker 2: not a bird, but but birds were in the interpretations.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, wish I didn't have anything to
49:05
Speaker 1: do with the story, just what we were talking about earlier.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, hey, listen, sometimes you just catch a vibe.
49:11
Speaker 1: Also, we made up the mushroom. We made a lot
49:14
Speaker 1: in this episode, but that's okay. Well, we have fun here,
49:17
Speaker 1: all right, Should we say goodbye?
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Speaker 2: I guess have a creepy ass day.
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Speaker 1: We'll see you next Thursday unless you get like locked
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Speaker 1: inside of a lighthouse and we never hear from you
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Speaker 1: ever again and you're just weird and wild screaming for
49:31
Speaker 1: the rest of your life. So I don't do that. Guys.
49:34
Speaker 2: I realized you're saying that more broadly, but I felt
49:38
Speaker 2: personally attacked by that.
49:40
Speaker 1: It wasn't personal, it wasn't personal to anybody.
49:44
Speaker 2: It felt like one of the ridiculous. Like, okay, so
49:48
Speaker 2: you've probably never listened to this podcast, but mister Balin,
49:52
Speaker 2: who I occasionally as a guilty pleasure, have listened to
49:57
Speaker 2: one of his shows. He always makes up some ridiculous
50:02
Speaker 2: like call to action like sequence to go with, you know,
50:07
Speaker 2: like and subscribe or whatever. But instead of just saying that,
50:11
Speaker 2: he comes up with some horrific way for you to
50:14
Speaker 2: torment the follow button.
50:16
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, it's so weird, and I kind of dig it.
50:22
Speaker 2: I'm like, honestly, like, how did we not think of
50:25
Speaker 2: that first? I feel like we're arguably more weird than him.
50:29
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe we should just steal it. I
50:32
Speaker 1: don't throw that follow button in the Devil's punch hole.
50:37
Speaker 1: It's a punch hole instead a punch bowl. That's kind
50:43
Speaker 1: of funny.
50:44
Speaker 2: Hey, listen, punch bowl, punch hole. Either way, there's a hole.
50:48
Speaker 1: He punched the hole. Oh that will be punching them holes.
50:53
Speaker 2: Not without consents.
50:54
Speaker 1: You don't, oh boy, Okay