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SHOCK TWIST: MOM SEEKING DIVORCE STABBED DEAD OUTSIDE DIVORCE LAWYER'S OFFICE JUST BEFORE TRIAL · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: A shock twist when a mom seeking a divorce is
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  Speaker 2: stabbed dead just outside her divorce lawyer's office the eve
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  Speaker 2: of trial. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I
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  Speaker 2: want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: Cleveland, Ohio. Elisa Sherman is a dedicated nurse and loving
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  Speaker 3: mom of four, working hard to provide for her kids
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  Speaker 3: while managing a messy divorce from her husband Sandford. After
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  Speaker 3: her first attorney is suspended while handling her case, Elisa
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  Speaker 3: finds another promising lawyer from the firm to deal with
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  Speaker 3: her divorce, Gregory Moore.
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  Speaker 2: Who stabbed this young mother, a beloved nurse, dead on
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  Speaker 2: the eve of her divorce. Again, I'm Nancy Grace, and
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  Speaker 2: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, as in so many cases, let's start with
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  Speaker 2: the nine one one call right now.
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  Speaker 4: Raymond rain down as back as I could, and did
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  Speaker 4: nobody arrival near her.
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  Speaker 5: I don't help it, Timetime, that had no help, is
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  Speaker 5: coming breathing normally.
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  Speaker 6: No, she got blood coming out of her mouth. It
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  Speaker 6: doesn't look normal at all.
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  Speaker 7: Don't die, lady.
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  Speaker 1: Please do not move a thigh, your thigh.
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  Speaker 4: They're coming to promise they wouldn't be okay.
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  Speaker 2: That from my friends at w O I O A
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  Speaker 2: shocking turn of events in the last days as we
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  Speaker 2: go to air tonight. But how does a young mom,
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  Speaker 2: a beloved nurse at a clinic in Cleveland end up
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  Speaker 2: stabbed dead on the side of the street. And let
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  Speaker 2: me point out that this occurred on a Sunday afternoon.
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  Speaker 1: Crime statistics show.
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  Speaker 2: It is very rare that a case like this occurs
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  Speaker 2: on a Sunday afternoon in broad daylight, her life in
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  Speaker 2: front of her. This mom had everything going for her.
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  Speaker 2: Why was she selected? We have no sex assault, we
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  Speaker 2: have no robbery.
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  Speaker 1: Why her? Why does she bleed out on the sidewalk?
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  Speaker 2: It's straight out to doctor Kendall Crown's joining US Chief
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  Speaker 2: Medical Examiner Terrence County. That's Fort Worth. Never a lack
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  Speaker 2: of business there. He is esteemed lecturer at the Burnett
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  Speaker 2: School of Medicine at TCU, and he is the star
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  Speaker 2: of a hitting You podcast Mayhem and the more, Doctor
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  Speaker 2: Crowns thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Did she ever have a chance?
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  Speaker 2: Was there any way Eliza could have survived eleven stabs?
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  Speaker 7: Leased somewhere the stab wounds were at she had two
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  Speaker 7: in the neck, probably eight in the back. No, she
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  Speaker 7: probably could not have survived that. The net wounds alone
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  Speaker 7: were probably fatal because usually when you're stabbed in the
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  Speaker 7: neck at a little involt, your carotid artery in your
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  Speaker 7: jugular vein. The fact that she has blood coming out
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  Speaker 7: of her mouth either means her lungs have been compromised
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  Speaker 7: by the stab wounds or the stab wounds to the
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  Speaker 7: necks communicated into her windpiper trachia, and she is bleeding
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  Speaker 7: directly into that. She had no chance of survival.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns, you, of course are a medical doctor
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  Speaker 2: who have performed thousands and thousands of autopsies, but not
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  Speaker 2: everyone knows what kartid jugular trachea means.
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  Speaker 1: Could you explain?
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  Speaker 7: Sure, you have structures in your neck, the blood vessels
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  Speaker 7: in your neck. The crotid artery is a branch off
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  Speaker 7: of your A order, which is the biggest artery in
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  Speaker 7: your body that comes directly off the heart. So the
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  Speaker 7: krodadri actually is a pretty major blood vessel that leeds
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  Speaker 7: quite profusely have cut. The jugular vein is actually the
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  Speaker 7: venus return of the blood actually coming out of your brain.
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  Speaker 7: So that's a big vein that goes back into the subject,
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  Speaker 7: superior being a kela, which is the big vein going
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  Speaker 7: into your heart. So these are two major blood vessels
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  Speaker 7: in your neck that if they're hid, bleed quite profusely.
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  Speaker 7: The trach is the windpipe or what you get oxygen
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  Speaker 7: through you from your mouth to your lung, so again
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  Speaker 7: another major structure. There's a lot of major structures sitting
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  Speaker 7: there in your neck, and when you get stabbed there,
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  Speaker 7: it can create a lot of problems.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Crown's would her trike or trachia have filled up
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  Speaker 2: with blood.
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  Speaker 7: It's a possibility if the crotit or jugular are stabbed
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  Speaker 7: and they're communicating directly into the trachea, it can fill
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  Speaker 7: up with blood.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of
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  Speaker 2: what we know right now, you heard doctor Kiindle Crown's
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  Speaker 2: weighing in. I want to go to a special guest,
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  Speaker 2: Jan Lash, Eliza's best friend.
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  Speaker 5: Jan.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us, and I know it's
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  Speaker 2: very disturbing to relive what happened to Eliza at a
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  Speaker 2: point in her life when everything was finally coming together.
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  Speaker 1: She's finally getting rid of that husband, who is like a.
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  Speaker 2: Chain a cement block around her neck, cheating, stealing money.
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  Speaker 2: And he's a doctor, for Pete's sake, you'd expect a
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  Speaker 2: lot more from him, but he's a whole other can
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  Speaker 2: of worms. It hurts me even now when I think
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  Speaker 2: back on what happened to my fiance just before I
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  Speaker 2: were wedding. Five shots to the neck, the back, the head,
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  Speaker 2: the face. I don't like to think of it. I
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  Speaker 2: only think of it when I absolutely have to. But
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  Speaker 2: hearing doctor Kendall Crowns describe what happened to Elisa and
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  Speaker 2: she's just going to her divorce lawyer right on a
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  Speaker 2: Sunday afternoon. How many times did I trudge to the
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  Speaker 2: courthouse on a Sunday afternoon to get ready for trial
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  Speaker 2: on Monday. Countless? I can't count how many. And on
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  Speaker 2: a Sunday afternoon, I wouldn't look behind my back or
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  Speaker 2: worried about where I parked, because this Sunday afternoon, nobody's around.
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  Speaker 2: It's a business district, right, What could have been safer, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, other than her hiding under her bed.
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  Speaker 2: But jan to hear doctor Kendall Crowns talk about the
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  Speaker 2: jugular venus and the way that returns the blood from
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  Speaker 2: the brain into the superior vena cava.
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  Speaker 1: All the blood pomping from her a order.
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  Speaker 2: It's like a water sprinkler that spurts on your front yard. Bam, bam, bam,
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  Speaker 2: the blood potentially pouring into her trachea. And you hear
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  Speaker 2: the guy on the nine to one one call Jan.
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  Speaker 2: She says, she's got blood coming out of her mouth. No,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't look normal at all. Have you allowed yourself
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  Speaker 2: to think about what she endured on that sidewalk, bleeding
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  Speaker 2: out in broad daylight.
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  Speaker 8: It breaks my heart to know that she was she
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  Speaker 8: was sought after to murder, and she was alone except
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  Speaker 8: for Kenny, who had found her. It just didn't make sense.
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  Speaker 8: I had spoken with.
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  Speaker 9: Her earlier and she kept telling me that times were
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  Speaker 9: changing and to meet, And so we spoke and she said,
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  Speaker 9: I'm going downtown to meet My attorney has changed his
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  Speaker 9: time so many times on me. But I have to
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  Speaker 9: be there, and I didn't want her to go down
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  Speaker 9: by yourself.
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  Speaker 2: She wanted this divorce. She wanted this divorce.
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  Speaker 10: She waited.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Such a dirt bag, but you know, you'd think it
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  Speaker 2: seemed like the perfect family on the outside.
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  Speaker 1: Listen.
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  Speaker 11: Doctor Sandford Sherman is an optalmologist and his wife, Elisa,
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  Speaker 11: is a beloved nurse with the Cleveland Clinic. Living in
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  Speaker 11: nutscale Beechwood, Ohio and married for nearly thirty years. The
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  Speaker 11: couple has raised four children, four.
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  Speaker 2: Children they've raised together. He is a doctrine ophthalmologist. They
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  Speaker 2: live in a really ritzy area in Beechwood, Ohio. Married
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  Speaker 2: nearly thirty years. Whoa, but of course looks are deceiving listen.
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  Speaker 11: In the last eleven years of their married life, Beechwood
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  Speaker 11: police have been called to the Sherman's home twenty two
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  Speaker 11: times for reports of domestic disturbances.
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  Speaker 12: The divorce of doctor Sandford Sherman and his wife of
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  Speaker 12: three decades, Eliza Sherman, is going to be difficult with
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  Speaker 12: accusations of infidelity and money changing accounts. Gregory Moore of
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  Speaker 12: Stafford Law takes over her case.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, okay, hold on just a moment. Difficult. That's certainly
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  Speaker 2: putting perfume on the pig. The cheating, the stealing money,
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  Speaker 2: and the stealing money went on after her murder up
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  Speaker 2: to the tune of I know for a fact two
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  Speaker 2: million dollars of back to Jan Lash. She wanted this
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  Speaker 2: divorce and that makes me sad because this was her,
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  Speaker 2: mister Wright, her dream guy. I mean, you know, she
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  Speaker 2: caught the big one, right, A doctor, a beautiful home,
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  Speaker 2: all that money, the four children.
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  Speaker 1: What could go wrong? Right Jan? Well? One would think
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  Speaker 1: who Jan was? He having the affair with dad?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, infidelity, money changing accounts, joining me as
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  Speaker 2: I said an all star panel. Now, in addition to
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  Speaker 2: doctor Kendall Crown's and longtime best friend, Jan Lash, Tiffany
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  Speaker 2: Tucker is joining us renowned anchor nineteen E Woo on
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  Speaker 2: the story from the beginning, and you can hear her
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  Speaker 2: starting on a podcast, dark Side of the Land by
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  Speaker 2: nineteen News. Tiffany, thank you for being with us. Tell
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  Speaker 2: me about the husband. Now, I'm just gonna to go
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  Speaker 2: out on a limb and call them a dirt bag.
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  Speaker 1: But that's just me.
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  Speaker 2: What can you tell me what led to her going
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  Speaker 2: downtown to see your divorce lawyer. I want to hear
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  Speaker 2: about the husband and the divorce.
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  Speaker 13: Well, Nant, I can tell you that this murder happened
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  Speaker 13: just a few blocks from the nineteen News studio on
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  Speaker 13: a cold Sunday, As you mentioned, there were no sports
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  Speaker 13: teams in town. What we've learned, as you just mentioned
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  Speaker 13: that police were called to the home on numerous occasions
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  Speaker 13: for some type of domestic dispute, Andford Sherman was well
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  Speaker 13: known in the community, and Eliza wanted a divorce. She
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  Speaker 13: wanted to start a new life. At the beginning, she
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  Speaker 13: was looking at an apartment furniture, and this was her chance
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  Speaker 13: to start a news and she raised her four children
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  Speaker 13: and she was heading downtown.
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  Speaker 2: That's something I didn't know, you know, Tiffany, I've combed
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  Speaker 2: over all these facts over and over. You're telling me
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  Speaker 2: that she had on out and botany furniture. Me where
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  Speaker 2: she was going to move?
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  Speaker 1: Is that right?
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  Speaker 13: She was looking to do all that stuff. She was
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  Speaker 13: ready to start a new life. She was ready to
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  Speaker 13: start the next chapter of her life. She had been
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  Speaker 13: married for thirty years and the marriage was multileus at times.
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  Speaker 13: So that is why she was meeting with Gregory Moore
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  Speaker 13: because the trial for her divorce was the next day,
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  Speaker 13: the next Monday. But it didn't happen, as you know,
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  Speaker 13: because she was brutally murdered to stab eleven times outside
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  Speaker 13: Gregory Moole's office eleven times.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go to.
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  Speaker 2: A shrink on that, Tiffany, But something you said just
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  Speaker 2: struck a chord.
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  Speaker 1: With me, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Let me go to a colleague, a lawyer who has
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  Speaker 2: represented so many defendants. Derek Smith is joining me, veteran
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  Speaker 2: trial lawyer who actually knows the divorce lawyer in this case.
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  Speaker 2: And you can find Derek at d W. Smith Legal Died. Derek, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not ready to fight with you right now. I
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  Speaker 2: want to talk to you about something very poignant that
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  Speaker 2: Tiffany Tucker just said. And maybe it won't strike you
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  Speaker 2: that way, But in so many cases that I had, Derek,
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  Speaker 2: there would be just one fact that would just choke
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  Speaker 2: me up. And here's an example I often give, but
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  Speaker 2: there's one in every case I prosecuted. My first carjack
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  Speaker 2: murder case, the young man that was a victim was
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  Speaker 2: standing outside of his he lived with his mom and dad,
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  Speaker 2: standing outside of his house, had just gotten out of his.
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  Speaker 1: Car, really proud of the car.
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  Speaker 2: And was shutting the door, and the purp pulls up
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  Speaker 2: and shoots him dad to get his car. Oh that's
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  Speaker 2: bad enough, But what chokes me up every time as
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  Speaker 2: a neighbor heard the gunshot and ran out, saw the
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  Speaker 2: victim lying in the front.
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  Speaker 1: Driveway, and ran back into his house.
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  Speaker 2: And came out with a pillow and put it under
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  Speaker 2: the victims head.
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  Speaker 1: As he bled out. You know, he may have already
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  Speaker 1: been dead for all I know.
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  Speaker 2: He bled out much the way Eliza did, and that
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  Speaker 2: poignant moment. It didn't even matter. It wasn't an element
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  Speaker 2: of proof. But in this case, the thought, as Tiffany
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  Speaker 2: Tucker from WIO just told us, Eliza was excited about
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  Speaker 2: going out and buying new furniture for her knee place.
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  Speaker 2: You know a lot of people would want to live
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  Speaker 2: in their lucks pad right their home.
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  Speaker 1: Where they raised four children. She wanted to start over,
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  Speaker 1: and she.
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  Speaker 2: Was actually hopeful, Derek, hopeful before she was stabbed eleven
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  Speaker 2: times in broad daylight.
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  Speaker 1: Derek, I mean, don't you find that poignant?
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, Nancy, I mean, this this case is terrible. I
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  Speaker 14: remember when this first broke, I mean, it went across
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  Speaker 14: the legal community. Everybody, you know, was curious about what
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  Speaker 14: was going on. You know, us as attorneys, when we
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  Speaker 14: have clients that we represent, you know, we tend to
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  Speaker 14: build relationships with them too, and we want to protect them.
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  Speaker 14: We want to do what we can for them to
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  Speaker 14: help them. Obviously, divorces can be tumultuous, can be a
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  Speaker 14: very trying experience for the people involved in them, and
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  Speaker 14: then the lawyers as well when they get involved.
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  Speaker 1: Jan lash with me. This is Eliza's best friend.
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  Speaker 2: Were you aware that police had been called to their
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  Speaker 2: Ritzie home at least twenty two times for domestic violence?
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  Speaker 8: I knew some of the times, but not all of the.
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  Speaker 2: Times, you know to doctor John Delatory joining me, Licensed
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  Speaker 2: psychologists and mediator specializing in forensic psychology, Doctor Delatory, I've
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  Speaker 2: wondered about this ever since I started working at the
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  Speaker 2: Battered Women's Centers a volunteer many years ago. Why women
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  Speaker 2: keep abuse a secret? I think part of it is
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  Speaker 2: they want to keep it secret from themselves. They don't
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  Speaker 2: want to admit that the fairy tale isn't true.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you work so hard for this.
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  Speaker 2: Happy high the children, the Christmas tree, the front yard,
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  Speaker 2: the grass, the school, the this, the that, the soccer,
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  Speaker 2: and when you throw in domestic violence, it kind of
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  Speaker 2: ruins the whole thing. So the thing you've been thinking about,
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  Speaker 2: maybe in the back of your mind, your whole life
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  Speaker 2: isn't real. And I don't think victims want to confront.
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  Speaker 15: That, No, they really don't.
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  Speaker 16: I mean, it also goes to what they think about themselves, right,
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  Speaker 16: But that's the.
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  Speaker 17: That's that's the deceptive part that's happening because the abuser
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  Speaker 17: wants the abusee to think that, right. That's that's the
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  Speaker 17: inherent insidious nature of a domestic violence situation in intimate
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  Speaker 17: partners to violence relationship, which is the abuser.
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  Speaker 16: Is doing everything they can to coerce the victim into
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  Speaker 16: believing that this and that everything is okay. And it
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  Speaker 16: takes so long for a victim to finally get the
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  Speaker 16: necessary resources, the economic resources, the courage right the find
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  Speaker 16: everything that they need as a support system to actually
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  Speaker 16: finally break out of this, and oftentimes the victims in
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  Speaker 16: an intimate partner relationship do not survive. They do not
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  Speaker 16: live to see themselves in the happy life that they
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  Speaker 16: absolutely deserve.
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  Speaker 4: I'm at work right now, he dreaming. I ran down
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  Speaker 4: back I could and did nobody around with me.
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  Speaker 5: Her gone to get it and help it. Time it
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  Speaker 5: no help of coming, breathing harm of me.
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  Speaker 6: No, she's got blood coming out of her mouth. It
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  Speaker 6: doesn't look normal.
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  Speaker 2: At all from WIO and podcasts The Dark Side of
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  Speaker 2: the Land.
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  Speaker 11: Attorney Moore text Elisa Sherman at two thirty PM asking
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  Speaker 11: her to come to his downtown Cleveland office to meet
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  Speaker 11: at four thirty to discuss the case. At three point
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  Speaker 11: fifty four pm, Alisa Sherman texts More saying she's leaving
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  Speaker 11: for the meeting. It would be there by four to thirty.
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  Speaker 11: More response to the text with one that says take
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  Speaker 11: time closer to five. Outside Stafford Law Company, Alisa tekes
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  Speaker 11: More she's going to wait in her car. As Elisa
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  Speaker 11: walks toward her car, she is confronted by a masked
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  Speaker 11: individual wearing dark clothes and gloves. The assailant circles behind Alisa,
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  Speaker 11: then chases and stabs are over ten times in her face, neck, right, ear,
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  Speaker 11: and eight times in her back. As the masked the
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  Speaker 11: sailant leaves, the mortally wounded nurse calls nine one one.
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  Speaker 11: A bystander also calls nine to one one, and an
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  Speaker 11: ambulance gets Alsa to the hospital, where she's pronounced dead
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  Speaker 11: from her injuries.
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  Speaker 2: Who wanted Eliza dead, leaving behind four children to face
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  Speaker 2: life without their mother. In addition to our All Star
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  Speaker 2: panel you've already met. Joining me now, Phil Waters, former
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  Speaker 2: homicide detective, Houston PD, President CEO of Kindred Spirits Investigations
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  Speaker 2: and Security. Thank you for being with us, Phil, Just
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  Speaker 2: these facts are not adding up. We've got no rate,
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  Speaker 2: we've got no sex attime, we've got no grabbing her pocketbook,
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  Speaker 2: we've got no carjacking.
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  Speaker 1: I got nothing. I've got nothing. It's a random attack.
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  Speaker 1: That's like a needle in a haystack.
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  Speaker 2: Those are the worst cases to try to investigate, solve,
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  Speaker 2: and prosecute because I mean, think about Coburger, right, Brian Coburger.
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  Speaker 2: The defense is going to be able to argue he
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  Speaker 2: didn't even know these people.
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  Speaker 1: Why are you prosecuting him? It could have been anybody?
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  Speaker 1: See what I mean. That's a problem. That is a problem.
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  Speaker 2: So with no sex attack, no robbery, no carjack, no mugging,
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  Speaker 2: and in broad daylight. You know the reason I keep
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  Speaker 2: saying in broad daylight because statistically crimes do not happen
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  Speaker 2: out in the open in broad daylight, much less on
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  Speaker 2: a Sunday. Think of those stats running through that big
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  Speaker 2: brain of yours. No, this is completely all wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Phil will tell.
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  Speaker 10: You that everything you just listed looking at those set
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  Speaker 10: of facts in the eyes of a homicide cop.
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  Speaker 18: Tells me an awful lot about that scene.
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  Speaker 10: So if we have no sexual assault, we have no
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  Speaker 10: signs of a robbery, then that's what is going to
• 19:15
  Speaker 10: indicate to me is that we have a targeted attack
• 19:18
  Speaker 10: and the use of a knife is a very personal
• 19:21
  Speaker 10: way to murder someone. You have to be up on them,
• 19:25
  Speaker 10: you have to be right in their face. And then
• 19:28
  Speaker 10: when you have multiple stab wounds, in this case over
• 19:32
  Speaker 10: ten stab wounds, that aligns itself with a more personal
• 19:37
  Speaker 10: involvement with the suspect.
• 19:41
  Speaker 18: And the victim. So there's a lot really to glean
• 19:45
  Speaker 18: from the scene itself and the fact that it's happening,
• 19:47
  Speaker 18: as you've already stated, on a Sunday afternoon, there's nobody
• 19:52
  Speaker 18: around in the middle of the day.
• 19:57
  Speaker 10: But I'll tell you what, that is the perfect scenario
• 20:01
  Speaker 10: for the person that committed this crime. So they planned
• 20:04
  Speaker 10: this thing out. That's what it's telling me. This was
• 20:07
  Speaker 10: a planned event. Fewer witnesses around, and the fact that
• 20:12
  Speaker 10: it's in broad daylight adds this nuance to it. That
• 20:15
  Speaker 10: this person dressed in black and you're doing all the
• 20:19
  Speaker 10: things to hide their identity. So there's a lot to
• 20:22
  Speaker 10: be gleaning from what if you just stated in terms
• 20:24
  Speaker 10: of the facts of this case.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Gray, Tiffany Tucker with me soaking
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: in everything that fuel Water's homicide to take.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: We've just said anchor nineteen.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Is Woio been on the case from the beginning. And
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: also you can hear her starting on Dark Side of
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: the Land podcast, which is amazing by the way, Tiffany, Tiffany,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: just tell me, because you walk this walk all the time,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I want to hear about the area. I want to
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: hear it's aroound a lot of other big buildings. Does
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: the place go deserted on the weekends, you know, like
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: downtown Atlanta and in some parts of Manhattan there's nobody there,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: like in the Financial District and other places. Everybody's gone, right,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: and then it comes back to life on Monday morning.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: So what is that area like on a Sunday afternoon?
• 21:24
  Speaker 13: So cold Sunday afternoon, and obviously there were no games,
• 21:30
  Speaker 13: the Guardians weren't playing, you know, the basketball teams weren't playing.
• 21:35
  Speaker 13: No one around Quyatt pretty much deserted. And then come
• 21:40
  Speaker 13: Monday morning things picked back up again. As I mentioned it,
• 21:42
  Speaker 13: was just a few blocks from the nineteen news studios.
• 21:45
  Speaker 13: So when we heard got a tip, one of our
• 21:49
  Speaker 13: reporters got a tip that something happened down the street.
• 21:52
  Speaker 13: Of course we sent our photographers out the door to
• 21:54
  Speaker 13: see what was going on, and that's when we saw
• 21:57
  Speaker 13: all the crime scene tape in those horrific, horrific images
• 22:01
  Speaker 13: of Eliza's shoes on the sidewalk and blood and everything else.
• 22:06
  Speaker 13: It was absolutely horrible.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm curious, Tiffany Tucker, he clearly walked past
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: this quite often. I'm sure the sidewalk saw cleaned up
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: and there's not a memorial or anything. Does everybody just
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: walk over it like nothing ever happened.
• 22:20
  Speaker 13: You know, as a reporter, as an anchor, when you
• 22:23
  Speaker 13: cover stories and you often pass by the stories that
• 22:26
  Speaker 13: you covered, you remember. The family of Eliza Sherman has
• 22:30
  Speaker 13: kept this story in the forefront and every year on
• 22:34
  Speaker 13: the anniversary of her death, they have had a visual
• 22:37
  Speaker 13: at the time in which in the place in which
• 22:40
  Speaker 13: she was brutally stabbed. So people in this community often
• 22:45
  Speaker 13: thought about it. How many times they thought about it
• 22:47
  Speaker 13: as they walked by, I'm not sure, but being that
• 22:49
  Speaker 13: it was so close to our station. Every time I
• 22:52
  Speaker 13: drove by it, I thought about this case. There are
• 22:54
  Speaker 13: several cases as a reporter that really touch your heart
• 22:58
  Speaker 13: in an impactful way. You always want justice for the
• 23:02
  Speaker 13: victims and the victims' families, But this particular story has stuck.
• 23:08
  Speaker 18: In my mind for years.
• 23:10
  Speaker 13: Fancy with all.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: The people that loved Eliza, least of all her four children, right,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: And there's never a time like when I first had
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: the children. I thought, Oh, they need me desperately, Lord,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: help me get through all these physical ailments, when Lucy
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: and almost died in childbirth, and let me help.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Raise and just just let me get them through the.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: First year, Lord, And then the second I'm like, oh,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: my stars, they need me now more than ever. Now
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: they're about to graduate, I'm like, oh, my stars, they
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: need me now more than ever.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: There's never a good time to leave your children.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: And you hear Tiffany Tucker describing and jan Lash describing
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: how much she is loved, and then you think about
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: dirt bag Listen.
• 23:54
  Speaker 12: After the murder of his wife, doctor Sandford Sherman moves
• 23:57
  Speaker 12: to Florida.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: He refuses to speak to police.
• 24:00
  Speaker 12: His daughter, Jennifer has been doing her own investigation and
• 24:02
  Speaker 12: files a suit against her father for conversion for each
• 24:05
  Speaker 12: of fiduciary duty on Justin Richmond Remedy for criminal acts.
• 24:09
  Speaker 12: The suit by Jennifer Sherman, the daughter of Eliza, and
• 24:11
  Speaker 12: against her father, Sandford Sherman, alleges during the divorce cases
• 24:15
  Speaker 12: discovery process, forensic accounting showed a Merrill Lynch financial account
• 24:20
  Speaker 12: in Eliza's name only was secretly opened by Sandford Sherman.
• 24:23
  Speaker 12: He allegedly made more than two million dollars in deposits
• 24:27
  Speaker 12: into the account. Sherman forged a durable power of attorney
• 24:30
  Speaker 12: which allowed him to withdraw funds from the account in
• 24:33
  Speaker 12: the following six years. The account was emptied.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Wait am in it two million dollars?
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: The husband moved her money jan last, did Eliza have
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: any idea her husband was not only dating a stripper,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: but that he was stealing the money, the life savings.
• 24:58
  Speaker 8: I believe she knew that things were things were hidden.
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: She just had a thought that things were hidden from
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: her and all she wanted was to get a divorce
• 25:14
  Speaker 8: and get what her heart of What would she owed
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: for all those years?
• 25:20
  Speaker 12: Doctor Sherman admitting to an extramarital affair a defamation lawsuit
• 25:24
  Speaker 12: involving an exotic dancer and a conversation where Sandford solicited
• 25:28
  Speaker 12: advice from a friend on how to commit the perfect murder,
• 25:31
  Speaker 12: where the friend suggests not using his own car, wearing
• 25:34
  Speaker 12: black from head to toe with gloves and head mask.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: What, okay, stop everything, So let me understand. The husband,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: the doctor is what dating an exotic dancer. I'm sure
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: she did not get her creative dancing degree at Julliard.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: So he's dated an exotic dancer translation stripper, And let
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: me understand what I just heard. We find out that
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: he asked his friend about how to commit the perfect
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: murder and the friend tells him to wear all black,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: wear a mask and gloves.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: To Derek Smith, veteran trial lawyer, criminal defense attorney who's
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: no stranger to a domestic dispute case, Derek Smith is
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: the husband that stupid, He actually said those words.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Why doesn't he just take out a billboard on Third Avenue?
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I did it.
• 26:43
  Speaker 14: Well, that's one way to go about it, Nancy. But
• 26:45
  Speaker 14: as you know, it's not circumstances. It's not what you
• 26:49
  Speaker 14: think may or.
• 26:49
  Speaker 11: May not happen.
• 26:50
  Speaker 14: It's what you can prove and just him, you know,
• 26:53
  Speaker 14: exercising his curiosity, looking online to see certain things. I mean,
• 26:57
  Speaker 14: the vorses can get, can get very toxic, can get
• 26:59
  Speaker 14: for us rating, and your fantasies can get the best
• 27:02
  Speaker 14: of you. You start looking online and indulging these things,
• 27:05
  Speaker 14: it doesn't mean you're actually going to put it into
• 27:07
  Speaker 14: practice and go.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Ahead in toxic doubt.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Your indulging yourself, planning your wife's murder and what you're
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: going to wear to the affair while you're dating a
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: stripper and stealing money.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I think that's a little more.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Than just indulging his fantasies. And then he kicks it
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: off and dies.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Listen.
• 27:28
  Speaker 11: Doctor Sanford Sherman passed away in Florida, having moved there
• 27:31
  Speaker 11: shortly after his wife's murder. Sherman never cooperated with the
• 27:35
  Speaker 11: investigation into the death of his wife, Elisa, but the
• 27:38
  Speaker 11: Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation continues.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: The cold case.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Murder of Alisa Sherman is not forgotten by the Cleveland Police,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: as they have handled the investigation from the start, but
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: in an effort to get another set of investigators to
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: give the case a look, the case is turned over
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: to the Ohio Bureau of criminal Investigation. The BCI reinvestigates
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: every aspect of the unsolved homicide, and the investigation in
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Elisa Sherman's death is active and ongoing.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: So now, just to complicate everything, the husband kicks the
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: bucket and he never cooperated. He stole money, he dated
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: his tripper, He planned what to wear to the perfect murder,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: right down to a t, and then dies before investigators
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: ever get anything out of Emmy lawyers up and clams up,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: but then a lucky break.
• 28:27
  Speaker 11: Investigators get a lucky break when nearby surveillance footage is
• 28:30
  Speaker 11: found of the assailant dressed just as discussed by Ellie's husband,
• 28:34
  Speaker 11: doctor Samford Sherman, wearing black from head to toe, a
• 28:37
  Speaker 11: face mask and gloves. In fact, the disguise is so
• 28:40
  Speaker 11: complete cops can't make an idea of the killer.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Oh my stars to fuel Waters joining me, Former homicide
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: detective Houston PD President CEO Kindred Spirits Investigations. Phil, I
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: actually had a case where I had sails video and
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: even I, who really wanted to id the defendant, could
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: not make a visual idea. It was a bank robbery, right,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: he has such a disguise. I couldn't even identify him.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Lucky for me, he was slew footed, walk like a duck,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: and then he was stupid enough to take the stand
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: and walk like a duck right up to the witness stand.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: I was so happy, twelve jurors, twenty four eyeballs hung
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: over the rail and watched him walk conviction. But in
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: this case, look at the video, Phil, there's no way
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: to id this guy.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Nothing about him. He's not slew footed, he's not.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Short, he's not tall, and he's totally decked out in black.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: This was planned.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Have you ever had a case where you could not
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: id the defendant off surveillance video?
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Phil Waters?
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: Oh?
• 29:48
  Speaker 10: Yes, It is very frustrating for any detective that sees
• 29:53
  Speaker 10: sees the suspect, sees him there and can't put a
• 29:57
  Speaker 10: finger on them. You know this and again, but this
• 30:01
  Speaker 10: indicates the amount of planning that went into this attack. Now,
• 30:06
  Speaker 10: the only thing that I would look at this video
• 30:08
  Speaker 10: right that you might be able to derive from it
• 30:11
  Speaker 10: is the manner in which she's running.
• 30:14
  Speaker 18: So then you would have to have a viable suspect.
• 30:18
  Speaker 10: See if you can get them into a running mode
• 30:22
  Speaker 10: and make a comparison.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Good luck with that. In fact, on this one film.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: It's a lot like the Missy Beavers case.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: I can't really tell if it's a man or a
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: woman problem. But then whoa, whoa whoa Wait, stop everything listen.
• 30:37
  Speaker 12: Investigators tracing Lisa Sherman's activities for the day show. She
• 30:41
  Speaker 12: was in downtown Cleveland to meet with attorney More. At
• 30:44
  Speaker 12: three fifty seven pm, Sherman texts that she has left
• 30:47
  Speaker 12: and asks More, I left and will wait call me
• 30:50
  Speaker 12: when you get there. A Lisa missus a call from
• 30:52
  Speaker 12: More around four fifteen and texts him back, apologizing at
• 30:55
  Speaker 12: four nineteen, telling her attorney she will wait in her
• 30:58
  Speaker 12: car until she hears from Not hearing from More, Eliza
• 31:02
  Speaker 12: sends another text at five thirteen PM, asking if More
• 31:06
  Speaker 12: will be there soon.
• 31:07
  Speaker 11: It's getting cold, she says. He replies at five point fifteen.
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: Been here.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
• 31:24
  Speaker 11: They found a number of bomb threats called into area
• 31:26
  Speaker 11: courthouses that had one thing in common courthouses where Gregory
• 31:30
  Speaker 11: Moore was scheduled to represent a client. The lawyer for
• 31:32
  Speaker 11: Eliza Sherman placed three phone calls to the Cuyahoga County
• 31:36
  Speaker 11: Old Courthouse on July tenth, stating a bomb was set
• 31:39
  Speaker 11: to explode at eleven thirty am. Moore also called bomb
• 31:43
  Speaker 11: threats into the Jiaga County Courthouse and Lake County Courthouse.
• 31:47
  Speaker 11: In each case, Moore had a case scheduled before the
• 31:50
  Speaker 11: court on the day the threat was called in, causing
• 31:52
  Speaker 11: a delay in the case.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: To Tiffany Tucker joining us from wo Io, anchor nineteen
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: News explained to me her own divorce attorney had been
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: calling in bomb threats when he needed a continuance.
• 32:09
  Speaker 13: Yeah, we reported that he would make these bomb threats
• 32:12
  Speaker 13: three to be more specific, because he wasn't prepared for
• 32:17
  Speaker 13: his case. He had a reputation of not being prepared.
• 32:20
  Speaker 13: So investigators saying, that's what he did. He called it
• 32:23
  Speaker 13: in so that he would have more time in those cases.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: So that's what Gregory Moore did. Investigator said, Derek Smith, you.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Know this guy, this is the guy that has been
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: calling in multiple bomb threats to multiple courthouses whenever he's
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: not ready.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: What I mean, you.
• 32:41
  Speaker 14: Know, sometimes you can get a little overloaded with some
• 32:45
  Speaker 14: facts and some issues in a case, or with you know,
• 32:47
  Speaker 14: an abundance of clients. But to be to be that
• 32:51
  Speaker 14: unprepared to go to these lengths to kind of delay
• 32:54
  Speaker 14: court proceedings. Yeah, that's a little bit much. It's also,
• 32:57
  Speaker 14: I mean a bit of a stretch to shit to
• 33:00
  Speaker 14: that level where you're doing it multiple times. And now
• 33:03
  Speaker 14: I've seen those reports. I've heard those reports, and there's
• 33:05
  Speaker 14: definitely better ways to go about requesting continuance and authorizing
• 33:09
  Speaker 14: it through the court properly. However he thought of these instances,
• 33:13
  Speaker 14: he had to go to another degree on those matters.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: So we're developing a track record here, Derek.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: We're developing a track.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Record and the track record is whenever the lawyer, Greg
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Moore is not ready to go forward with plenty of warning,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: and he had already been paid one hundred thousand dollars
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: to handle this divorce for Elisa, one hundred grand.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: And he's not ready. There was no way I could get.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: In front of my judge and say, oh I'm not ready. No,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: I would be held in contempt. So he would call
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: in bomb threats multiple times. Well, that was followed by
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: an intense police investigation. The divorce attorney that Eliza trusted
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: now wanted as a fugitive.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Joining me right now.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Josh Lao, Supervisory Deputy US Marshall, Northern District of Ohio
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: who actually apprehended Gregory Moore.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Josh Lao, thank you for being with us. Tell me
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: what happened. I assume he had fled the jurisdiction.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:24
  Speaker 19: So, on Friday May second, the Marshall Service was asked
• 34:27
  Speaker 19: to get involved in this investigation. The Ohio Bureau of
• 34:31
  Speaker 19: Criminal Investigation reached out to us.
• 34:33
  Speaker 15: And I said that they had a fresh warrant for
• 34:36
  Speaker 15: Gregory Moore stemming from the incident from twenty thirteen.
• 34:41
  Speaker 19: From there, we took over the apprehension responsibility for mister
• 34:45
  Speaker 19: More and we handled this similar to how.
• 34:47
  Speaker 15: We handle most of our fugitives.
• 34:49
  Speaker 19: We started digging into known addresses, family and padams of
• 34:53
  Speaker 19: life for it. Our initial information that we had developed
• 34:58
  Speaker 19: was that he had a residence in Sagamore Hills.
• 35:00
  Speaker 15: Ohio, that he was saying that with his family on
• 35:04
  Speaker 15: that day on Friday.
• 35:05
  Speaker 19: We started looking into that address and we actually discovered
• 35:08
  Speaker 19: that mister Moore and his family were not home.
• 35:11
  Speaker 15: There was a little out of the norm for them,
• 35:14
  Speaker 15: and so then we.
• 35:14
  Speaker 19: Started digging into other avenues investigatively, and we had figured
• 35:19
  Speaker 19: out that mister Moore had actually gotten on a flight
• 35:20
  Speaker 19: that morning uh, and he then.
• 35:24
  Speaker 15: Traveled to Austin, Texas. So our first thought was why Texas.
• 35:28
  Speaker 19: You know, why is he going to Texas as a
• 35:30
  Speaker 19: coincidence or is you know, is he is he trying
• 35:33
  Speaker 19: to flee? So we started digging into Texas with him
• 35:37
  Speaker 19: with his family, and we ended up figuring out that
• 35:39
  Speaker 19: he actually has family in near.
• 35:41
  Speaker 15: The Austin, Texas area, a suburb of called round Rock.
• 35:45
  Speaker 19: From there, we passed off our investigation to our counterparts
• 35:50
  Speaker 19: in Austin, Texas. Marshall Service does nationwide reach, and that's
• 35:54
  Speaker 19: what we did in the situation. We said to the
• 35:56
  Speaker 19: guys there and they were able to get eyes on
• 35:58
  Speaker 19: him and actually arrest him in a place in Austin, Texas,
• 36:03
  Speaker 19: the eight thousand block of corner would.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Drive what happened when you finally apprehended him.
• 36:09
  Speaker 19: So there was no drama involved with the arrest, he complied.
• 36:13
  Speaker 19: I think he was caught off guard a little bit,
• 36:15
  Speaker 19: to be honest with Like I said, initially, we didn't
• 36:18
  Speaker 19: understand why he was in Texas. I genuinely believe that
• 36:21
  Speaker 19: it was a coincidence that he had left to go
• 36:24
  Speaker 19: see family that day.
• 36:26
  Speaker 15: We have no indication put.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Him up Josh, Wow, Wait a minute, So he calls
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: in multiple bomb threats, He lies to police about where
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: he was at the time Eliza was getting stabbed in the.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Front of his law office.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Then we find out all the other evidence, the one
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: That she had been paid, the fact that he had a.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Track record calling outrageous stunts when he wasn't ready to
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: go forward with a trial. And you think he was
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: gone as a coincidence.
• 37:08
  Speaker 15: Well, like I said, we didn't know you You could
• 37:11
  Speaker 15: look at it either way.
• 37:12
  Speaker 19: Either way, he wasn't in Ohio, where he'd been staying
• 37:16
  Speaker 19: consistently in that morning. He had fled or left, whatever
• 37:21
  Speaker 19: way you want to look at it. But he wasn't
• 37:24
  Speaker 19: in Ahile.
• 37:25
  Speaker 15: And he was definitely in another state.
• 37:28
  Speaker 19: But I guys were able to figure out where he
• 37:29
  Speaker 19: was at.
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: Work right now.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: I heard her adreaming.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: I ran down the back as I could and did
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: nobody rubbing me her.
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: Get it and help it time. It had no help.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: It coming breathing normally.
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: No, she's got blood coming out of her mouth. It
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: doesn't look normal at all.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: W o IO podcast Dark Side of the Land.
• 37:50
  Speaker 11: In a secret indictment, former attorney for Eliza Sherman, Gregory Moore,
• 37:54
  Speaker 11: is charged with one count of aggravated murder, one count
• 37:57
  Speaker 11: of conspiracy, six counts of murder, and two counts of kidnapping.
• 38:01
  Speaker 11: More allegedly plotted for months to kidnap or attack Elisa Sherman,
• 38:05
  Speaker 11: all to prevent the divorce case from getting in front
• 38:08
  Speaker 11: of a judge. Having been warned there would not be
• 38:10
  Speaker 11: another continuance. Moore had used bomb threats to prevent other
• 38:14
  Speaker 11: cases from being heard. This time, it is alleged he
• 38:17
  Speaker 11: murdered his own client to prevent the case from going
• 38:20
  Speaker 11: to court.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Jane ash Joining me, Eliza's best friend for.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Many, many years.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: What was your reaction when you found out the husband,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: the cheating husband, had nothing to do with her murder,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: that it was her own divorce lawyer.
• 38:37
  Speaker 8: I can only say that I'm relieved for her children.
• 38:42
  Speaker 8: It would be horrible to think that your father murdered
• 38:45
  Speaker 8: your mother.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: You're right to doctor John delatorre joining us, renowned psychologist,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: to live with the thought your father murdered your mother. Basically, ever, money,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: it's something you carry around the rest of your life.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: But a lawyer, a divorce lawyer, your confidante murdering you,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: stabbing you eleven times, as you heard doctor Kimdall Crown's described,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: and the juggular in the crotd in the back because
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: he's not ready to go to trial.
• 39:18
  Speaker 17: Yeah, your attorney is supposed to be your safe place, right.
• 39:23
  Speaker 16: When the entire system is against you, when another person
• 39:26
  Speaker 16: is against you, when it's some business, whatever entity is
• 39:29
  Speaker 16: against you. Your attorney is supposed to be the place
• 39:32
  Speaker 16: where you can be safe. Their attorney is supposed to
• 39:35
  Speaker 16: be your zealous advocate against every enemy that you are facing.
• 39:39
  Speaker 16: He is the one person he or she, they, they
• 39:41
  Speaker 16: are the one person that you are supposed to be
• 39:44
  Speaker 16: able to count on that you can be your most
• 39:46
  Speaker 16: vulnerable with that, you can tell the truth and they
• 39:48
  Speaker 16: will listen and they will be on your side. To
• 39:51
  Speaker 16: have that the authority just just just shifted and corrupted,
• 39:55
  Speaker 16: and you put in a position where you trust someone
• 39:59
  Speaker 16: only for them so look.
• 40:00
  Speaker 17: You in the eye as they stab you to death
• 40:03
  Speaker 17: is disturbing in a way.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine Tiffany Tucker joining me anchor nineteen e's
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: WIO what happens now, Tiffany.
• 40:13
  Speaker 13: But what happens now is that fifty one year old
• 40:15
  Speaker 13: Gregory Moore right now is in a jail just outside
• 40:19
  Speaker 13: of Austin, Texas. He has scheduled May fourteenth to have
• 40:23
  Speaker 13: his extradition hearing. Then he is also scheduled to be
• 40:26
  Speaker 13: here in Cleveland, Ohio just a few days later May sixteenth.
• 40:30
  Speaker 13: Will he will answer to those ten counts that we
• 40:34
  Speaker 13: saw in that indictment, as you mentioned, aggravated murder, six
• 40:37
  Speaker 13: counts of murder, kidnapping, conspiracy.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: He will have his day in.
• 40:42
  Speaker 13: Court, and we are told we will learn more information
• 40:45
  Speaker 13: about this case on that day, A case that is
• 40:49
  Speaker 13: really shaken at this community, a community who so very
• 40:52
  Speaker 13: much loved Lisa Sherman, the fertility nurse from Cleveland Clinic,
• 40:57
  Speaker 13: a nurse who was looking to start a new life,
• 41:01
  Speaker 13: looking to start brand new, looking to rid of all
• 41:05
  Speaker 13: the paths that she had dealt with in terms of
• 41:08
  Speaker 13: family and friends, saying that there were domestic violence issues
• 41:11
  Speaker 13: in the home. This was her way out. Of course,
• 41:14
  Speaker 13: Griggy Moore will have his day in court. Whether he
• 41:17
  Speaker 13: pleads guilty or not remains to be a mystery. We'll
• 41:20
  Speaker 13: find out shortly next week if in fact he is
• 41:24
  Speaker 13: found guilty of these charges. Nancy I'm told he could
• 41:27
  Speaker 13: get up to life in prison without a possibility approval.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Out to you, Attorney Gregory Moore. Ohio still has the
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: death penalty.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Although they rarely use it. So settling. It's going to
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: be a bumpy ride.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend,