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#46 - Breaking Down the Gates: Living Offensively as a Christian · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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All right what's up everyone it is friday it
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is we are we actually got a lot to dive into
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today it is time to get offensive that might what do you think about jesse when
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i say that what is you gonna talk about it's not in the normal sense of just
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being offensive for being offensive sake i'm talking about instead of being
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defensive reactive being offensive in our life in our life Because,
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I mean, this is just something I'll start off with this.
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I, every time I feel like the, whatever we want to call him,
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the devil, the evil one, Satan, whatever, the attack of the,
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of the, of the enemy, I always feel like I just recoil.
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And I think that if I just, if I just recoil and I just get in the fetal position,
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he'll, he'll leave me alone.
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But that's like the opposite of what reality is. He doesn't stop that.
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He's not going to stop his attacking. And I think as Christians and just life
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in general, we should be on the offensive.
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That's the only way that we're going to defeat those who are against us.
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And you can take this to any aspect of life. I'm just saying like we got to
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change our perspective and just be completely going forward in everything we do.
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Because in this is biblical, it says the gates of hell or is that what it says?
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The gates of hell will not prevail. like jesus said that the gates of hell will
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not prevail but and that is like satan and his,
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minions or whatever they're the ones on the defense they're the ones that are
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having gates but as christians and as just humanity in general we are the ones
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that should be on the offense,
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so i'll start with that it's good what are you thinking i don't know is it because
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like they know eventually they're going to be defeated and so they're aren't
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they on the offensive though,
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I think, well, they want to be.
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They want to be capturing souls and deluding people and deceiving people and
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keeping people, you know, out of God's kingdom and keep keeping people in darkness.
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That's what they want to be doing. But I'm not even this. I mean, the big picture.
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That's what it is. That's the main thing. As Christians, as believers,
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we should be on the offensive, I think, you know, taking back God's turf,
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you know, because we are behind enemy lines. and let's be taking back,
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And just expanding God's kingdom. But this can apply to anything,
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you know? I just... What are you thinking, Jesse? I need to know.
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Keep going. What else do you think? So, I mean, like...
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Go ahead, Bonnie. If you have... You can chime in. Someone has said hi. Who is it? Is it...
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I don't know how to say. It's just H-I-N-D-78. Cool.
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Well, hey, what's up? Jesse, you should have pulled yours up so you could see as well.
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Just in case but it'd probably
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just take forever you're trying to switch it up yeah go ahead just on
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that i'm just saying like in general like
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all of life we should be if we
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if we got someone waving us down what body we got our we got our new jamie if
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you if you're familiar with joe rogan we have a jamie in the house and her name
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is bonnie go ahead bonnie you can say so they can Thank you for following the
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thing I just said. Oh, I N D 78.
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Okay, cool. Well, thank you. If you have any more comments, let us know. Yeah.
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And Bonnie, feel free. You can chime in and say stuff as well,
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but like in general and just in life in general, I think if we,
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if we are people that just sit back and let life pass us by and let,
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let life hit us in the face.
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If we're not out there making moves, you can take this in a business sense.
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You can take, take this in any part of your life.
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You know don't be like just a person that's just
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reactive but proactive keep going by you
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can just jump in and say whatever and she said well
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that's my name oh well that's
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awesome yeah but yeah if you you
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can see him in front of you you give him a shout out that's awesome that's awesome
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well okay they're reminding me don't just
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sit back okay so if i have a couple like
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good friends they would say like
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about their kids that are kind of getting older and you know
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they'll be like well i don't want to push i don't want
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to push you know jesus on them or religion on them
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i don't have to decide for themselves you know it's like
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they don't i don't know like when they're young or
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when they oh i mean they're installing in
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their house multiple people have said that you know they're just so they're
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just sitting back and like seeing like their own kids takes yeah like i don't
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know what do you think about that i mean you have to i don't know you got to
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present you know present God to them like but maybe they're just not very strong
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in themselves so they just don't know or it's not a priority you know I guess yeah.
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Yeah i mean i you don't want to shove it down their throat anybody's
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throat you know but you got to present it and it's like the
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most important decision of their life you can't just let
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it let them well they'll decide if they go to church or
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they'll decide if they want to like you have to i mean you don't just let them
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decide to eat candy all the all the time i remember you know but i so i mean
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like are with these few people that like from like they were christians when
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like when their kids got like were born,
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when their kids were born or did they become Christians later in life?
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Because I mean I would just think right off from the get go introducing Jesus
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to them, to your kids and having just woven into every part of your life I guess
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it's just not all that important as a family or something but.
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I'm just going to let them decide well yeah they're.
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Going to decide but like when they're little you have to show them
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the right way oh yeah you can't force them
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to make a decision for jesus but you can yeah decide
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for them to show them the right way are
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they kind of hesitant to like share price with
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their kids or they just what or is it kind of like that then
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the culture today just you let them make
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their own choices kind of thing i mean that's how i get it and so
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we just don't want to be a person that's forcing it down their throat
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that's what they kind of feel like i guess maybe i
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mean that is definitely like you people parents today
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are sometimes about like they don't even want to decide what their kid's gender
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is and let them decide but it's
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we i think we've we're past that i
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think we've moved past that you know i saw elon musk
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he tweeted out for from 4000 bc to 20
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2020 we had two genders
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and then from 2021 to 2024 there were and
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he put like seven he put like 72
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and then it changed and like but now we're back to two
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genders because everything is flip flip back
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you know everything is i mean just this like week like mark zuckerberg and facebook
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they have come on board on like they're going they're like reacting back to
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all the the crazy wokeness and all that stuff that has been like our life for the last four years or.
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But, and they're, they've removed tampons from the boys' bathrooms.
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And that's what people were up in arms against at Facebook.
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Oh my god so they're kind of like together like secretly
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quietly forming a coalition to kind
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of go against the boss and the
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new kind of rules by just taking tampons
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out of the boys bathrooms i mean i think we understand
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that that was that's silly i would say
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that that's silly why it all by doing that
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is just allowing it's perpetuating people
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being in a confused state you know what
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do you think about all that i just always want to just shy away almost from
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it and just people are gonna think what they want to think and i
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just got i just gotta love them anyway i mean
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yeah obviously no matter what anybody thinks like they're they're just as valuable
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and in god's eyes as anybody else you know 100 yeah oh yeah i mean like it's
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not to say anyone's ever better like no one's ever no one's in this on this
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planet is better than anyone else you know we don't we We know that,
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but just like, we got to stand for truth.
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You know, we got, and you got to pick your battles. What's something to fight and die on, you know?
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Like, I mean, yeah. Cause a lot of things like, go ahead.
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The same person said, I became a Christian a year ago. And after that,
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my life changed a lot and I became happier. Oh my gosh. Wow.
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That's awesome. Well, praise God. That's awesome.
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Yeah. I know. I mean, for me, like it definitely, like it made my life better
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overall when I became a Christian, but that's not how it always is for everybody.
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It can make it a lot more complicated and a lot harder in a lot of ways.
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Especially where you were overseas.
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You could be... What would they do to you?
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Not you, but in a Muslim family, if you weren't converted to Christianity, what would they do?
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Yeah, I mean, in most parts of the world like that, I mean, you would be basically...
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Sent to camps to re get
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reeducated re indoctrinated you know i guess
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there is different extremists and extreme positions in
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places and even where i was at it was there was
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elements of that where it was that it was that crazy but then there was where
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a lot of people it's just like in christianity some people are more fanatic
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about christianity as opposed to other people but in islam it can be life or
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death you know it's sure i mean your own family would kill you it's like like or.
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Have you your mind like sent somewhere
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so you become learn the right way again you
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know kind of thing kind of put so it's it's definitely it's not
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like christianity christianity people can we have
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freedom in that you might get shunned depending on what part
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of christianity you're in you know by your family so
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i mean but in different parts of the world like i
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i think in sudan africa where i was at it wasn't as
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crazy as it as like maybe some of
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like other places if you say you went into saudi arabia or
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something like that like that would be like very conservative
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muslim and all that go ahead
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bonnie the person said true 100 that's yeah
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it's so after you became a christian when you were in college
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did your did the friends that you hang out
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with your frat or did like well you left
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right after that was right the day before you for the summer right yeah
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i'm just wondering if anyone like rejected you because
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of your new beliefs oh no i mean no and i i remember just talking to people
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i i talked to people there that like were christians like the whole time i was
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there and just they like immediately thought like wow you sound really mature
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and there was a weirdness like i like whenever i became a christian like i felt like i was.
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Really mature in a sense in a sense like in
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knowledge wise i was like but then in a lot of things
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i guess i wasn't but and like he it was just a
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person that his dad's a pastor and everything like that and he was very surprised
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on like just the way i was able to communicate and everything like that and
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because my whole like like perspective and everything changed and my my actions
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changed completely you know and and it definitely was different you know for
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a lot of people but yeah But what do you think about being offensive, Jesse?
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I do not like to be offensive. Why not? Oh, wait. Not like offensive.
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Offensive. Going after it. Is it the same word we're talking about?
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It's the same word, but just a different meaning?
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Yeah. When someone says that's offensive, it means you're offended.
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You don't. You're offended. Yeah. Yeah.
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That's not what you're talking about. You're talking about being on the offensive. Being on the offense.
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On the offense. It's Patrick Mahomes on the offense. And what are we going after? God.
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Truth. Truth. Tearing down the lies of the evil one. Getting people out of darkness.
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Sharing the truth and light of Christ to everyone.
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But I mean, this doesn't have to.
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For me, it's primarily that. It's primarily about Christ.
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It's primarily about that. But like in just in my just my my psyche, my my own my own mental.
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How i see the world and how i react to everything in life
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how i live my life if i if i
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am a person that just lets life hit me in the face and i'm
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not going out and doing it i'm not going
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to be the strong person that i that i
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believe god has made me to be i'm going to kind of just sit
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back and recoil and just just take it as i
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i get it as opposed to making things happen that's what
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i'm kind of getting at maybe is i i mean
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from your perspective like me saying i know this this
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isn't earth earth shattering but like
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to me it was a complete mind shift because i today like i
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mean in most days like i do feel like a like there's
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a cloud over me and i just and i i
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feel just ostracized sometimes i feel
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like you know out of the cliques of everyone you know everybody's got a clique
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everybody's got you know social people that they're around and who they hang
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with and i'm kind of like on the outside in a lot of ways and sometimes i can
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feel defeated as And as opposed to just like taking it and just,
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and, and just going about my life.
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If I, if I sit back and I just do that, I'm going to just spiral out of control
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and not because it's going to turn out bad.
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And it's just like put, plant my feet down and saying, no, hell no, I'm fighting back.
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I'm going to make, I'm going to fight against like the, the.
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Whatever, whatever it is in my life, you know, whether it's just,
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just it could be depression for somebody. It could be just sadness.
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It was just like, just feeling, feeling like crap, you know,
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feeling like whatever it is being just stressed out over work,
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stressed out over bills, stressed out over whatever.
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If I'm just going to just like take it and just kind of get defeated.
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I don't think that that's as a person or as a human we
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should be we should be conquering we should
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be you know hunting we should be
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like making things happen like you know and it applies
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in business and and just in life in general i
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think yeah i know like this is
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probably not the same thing but like when like a kid is being bad
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don't say don't do that because something
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has to fill that void of what they're going to do so you say let's go do this
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and you do something else you know so instead of just being sad don't just say
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don't be sad go do something you want to do or be productive i don't know oh
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yeah yeah you have to replace it with something else yeah.
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Exactly you have to fill it you can't like
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some things are are too
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good to let go and if you let go of them you got
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to have something to to that's going to be just as good or better otherwise
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you're going to be just sucked back into whatever it
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is you know whether i mean you're like you're something
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that defeats you could be different than someone else video games could be something
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that like messes with you and just makes you feel worthless because you just
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get sucked into them and you can't let you can't do anything else or whatever
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i mean it's different for everyone you You know, I mean,
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just not maybe not even having the courage to go out and be social with other people,
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you know, because you just you're just you're scared because you don't want
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to open yourself up to anyone because you just know everybody's you feel like
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everybody's going to just not accept you.
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You know, you feel you know what I mean? And you just kind of just that's action reality.
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That's the one thing that makes people accept you. What is when you open up?
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Because they're like me, too. you know if you're always like
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you don't get to glimpse into my life at all and like oh i'm
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good i'm okay then that's how
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people are gonna see you if you open up
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and share about your life and stuff they feel connected to
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you so what do you like because i this is something i've struggled
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with like if you're like just having interaction with people like
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you're trying to develop friendships develop just
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small talk i don't even know should you be talking more about yourself or should
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you be talking about them should it be them i i i agree with that but then like
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you do also got to give some of yourself otherwise they don't have anything
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to come back with i guess it's different i always that's true now it's not all
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that different boys and girls.
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You don't know i i i didn't say anything i was i i
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didn't say anything i but yeah you you get someone
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else to open up first and then if they're
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good conversationalists they'll throw the ball back conversationalists you
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know like not everybody's that you know and i and i'm definitely
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not that you know like i just it's not it's not
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easy sometimes you know i i can't i can't stand small
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talk i don't want to talk well that's not see
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i don't think you like to open up about yourself like I want to tell everything
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I want to say oh this person I just met oh my
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whatever is wrong in my life and
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that connects you instantly and that's not small talk
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small talk is about the weather are you how are you I'm good that's
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small talk you know like problems in
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your life is but they're vulnerable and you
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never know well I mean guys a lot of times
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don't want to like be vulnerable with people you know they're
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not they they're i think they do bonnie did
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you have something that same person said i honestly sometimes
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have that you know that i'm
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unlucky and friendships oh gosh
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i could i could get on my box of soap and and go forever about that oh my gosh
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yeah like just i feel i reach other's friend yeah like you know i'm kind of
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like bobby boucher i don't have the social skills so it's it's different it's
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different for everyone you know i.
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But like what what there's
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nothing better than having a friend a good friend
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you know that that's what i mean even people that go to church they're trying
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to they a lot of times they want to you want they want community they want they
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want to share something share life with together with someone you know and you
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don't want to just be a lone ranger christian you know you don't want to just
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be out there just doing your own thing and you just,
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people want a sense of belonging. They crave it.
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Everybody wants community, even though there's that whole, the whole introvert
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thing, you know, but like, even I, even though I would say I'm an introvert
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in a lot of ways, I still long for and desire on my own terms.
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That's what it is. You want your, like, and that's, I think that's the mindset
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I need to get out of, you know, I need to not have everything just be exactly
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perfect in the way I want it to be, you know, and open up with other people, you know?
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But what do you think, Jesse? You open up to the world.
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I know, and I try, I want to. I want to, like, as much as I can,
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you know, and as much as people will receive it, you know?
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And I... I think that you think that people think just, I think,
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just, you're thinking wrong.
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I probably am. You think people don't want to get to know you or something.
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Oh, I mean, I, yeah, I mean, I, I definitely don't feel like close to like most
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people, you know, I'm, I am on like, I feel like I'm on an island,
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you know, even though I'm very, like I got family and everything like that.
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But like, in a lot of ways, I do feel like I'm on an island,
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you know, and you do just crave, you know, closeness with other people,
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you know, but it's, it's tough, you know?
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And so maybe like, maybe God's made me that way for a reason.
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Maybe maybe i'm wired that
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way for a reason you know i mean in our
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life like i mean when would you have
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a friend like i have i'm fortunate to have you know a good friend well many
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friends at work you know because that's where i am a lot yeah normally you know
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but and then you got your other close your really close friends from yeah from
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way back but i mean that's very far and few between like i was just texting
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my friend a little bit ago but like.
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And that's good, but rarely do we get together just because our lives are so busy.
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So it's not like you're going to go hang out with the guys all the time. I know people say that.
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Oh, he's going out with the guys again or something. But I think a lot of people do that, though.
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A lot of people are just partyholics. I think that's the extrovert.
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Extroverts like to relax with people. They get filled up being around people.
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Introverts you and i we relax alone i know yeah i i do i do feel that because you get that where you
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you lose energy when you're around other people like i if i'm
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in a setting where like a bunch of
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people i definitely like kind of close in
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you know and i don't know what do you all think are you all are you a person that
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if you are the life of the party or are you a person that
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you feel more comfortable starting the conversation
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and being there but like not participating
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not participating to kind of just like because it does
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take energy it takes energy people a lot of people you just have
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some like only a certain amount of energy to give
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yeah and then you you run out of it and some people have a
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lot more and people and some people feed on energy and
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they get more energy by being by people they're like
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a nuclear rod that just gets charged up you
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know when they're around other people yeah and like
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it's not like introverts can't have fun
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and go do those things and be we're not
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just sitting in a corner sometimes but it's exhausting
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it's mentally exhausting you can do those things and like i think i'm kind of
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like that like some people like my i don't know some people say you're you're
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not an introvert you're outgoing you talk to people yeah but then i want to
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go home and not see we're definitely introverts right here.
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I think most people, if you took a percentage, most people would say they're introverts.
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I'd say like rare, like even people that you think are the most outgoing,
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crazy people, like they, it seems like they were always like,
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I'm just really just forcing myself to do that.
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I'm really not like that. You know, I'm like, I'm more introvert than you would imagine. Mm-hmm.
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I don't know. That's just in different forums that I've been in,
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like where they kind of had a conference or a group setting or whatever,
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where you have to do those kind of games to get those games to get to know each other.
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And that's the worst. And everyone I talked to hates the games.
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Nobody, nobody likes those games. Why? Why must we do them? I think they're
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icebreakers. That's what they are. They're icebreakers. Who cares?
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And they want, because they want people kind of talking together, mingling.
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And don't say no by
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now when we're talking we're talking to each other about
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how much we hate it maybe that's why they do it yeah why are
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we doing this again i can't believe we're doing this again don't you hate it
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yeah i hate it now we're best
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friends oh oh yeah and some
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people just i'm envious of like some people some
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people just got it you know they're just like they're they're
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able to just be jay leno the life of
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the party the host you know the host with the most you
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know and just like people just flock to
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and people that are just like and there's always
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things you wish you could be better you know you know it's it's
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different for everyone you know but but like
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what do you think makes someone like sound stupid be
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a good friend i mean what do you think makes it makes i think
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just opening up to people like i know you you
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don't like to talk about like your like things that are i don't know but even
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like people you're close to like i because guys and girls are just so different
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you know they're so different you know i mean and that's like i don't i don't
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have that like really close close relationship like maybe that certain guys have you know,
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but like but they don't i wouldn't say open it up in the same way it's different
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you know what i mean what do you think i feel the closest to my girlfriends
24:07
when we talk about just hard crappy things when our lives and i'm like and they're
24:12
like me too and then you know we can talk about.
24:16
But guys aren't like that are you afraid to tell it seems
24:20
like sometimes you're you don't you're afraid to tell things that are going wrong
24:22
in your life other people you want to like just you don't
24:25
want to let people in and see that or something or yeah you don't want
24:28
to a lot of times show weakness yeah like
24:31
you don't want to show you don't want to show like you want
24:34
to make it seem like everything's okay and you can handle it you
24:37
don't want to like be vulnerable with another guy
24:40
i think i don't know maybe is there
24:43
any other guys maybe i because i'm not in the loop in a lot of ways so
24:46
maybe i i don't think it they would see
24:49
it as the same way as being vulnerable like maybe like they're
24:52
just like talking things out you know like they they don't they
24:55
don't care one way or the other but it seems like what their friend thinks if
24:58
someone says oh hey how's it going i'll be like i am devastated i have to go
25:02
back to work tomorrow and or something or our car just broke down or it didn't
25:08
but I don't think you'd ever say that to anybody like how it's really going
25:13
in your life. You're not going to say something broke or.
25:17
Or just to, I don't know. You're like, if you say, that's good. Oh, yeah, yeah.
25:21
Because I mean, a lot of times whenever something happens, I'm like,
25:23
I don't want you to tell anyone. I know. Because I don't want to show weakness.
25:27
I don't want to show, I don't want to show like.
25:29
And then me, I want to tell everyone everything.
25:34
If it's going to brighten someone's day by hearing something that I'm going through, maybe.
25:38
But I don't think it's going to brighten someone's day. It makes you more relatable.
25:42
And these are just things that happen to everybody.
25:46
And that's how you start talking. Maybe. Maybe that's how it is.
25:51
It is. I need to get offensive and get on the offense and make some relationships or something.
25:58
Because people want to know the real person actually going on in their life.
26:04
Oh, you got a nail in your tire? Holy crap, me too.
26:08
It's regular things that happen to regular people. You don't seem like a real
26:13
person if you never have anything wrong.
26:16
You don't tell anybody. I think I am an extrovert trapped inside an introvert. I can believe that.
26:27
The way you do your videos in some time, I'm like, who is that?
26:31
Well, I think I am inside of my extrovert, but I'm filtered too much. In a regular setting.
26:40
But if I really was comfortable with other people, I would.
26:45
So many people who you know personally have said
26:48
oh my gosh stop paying his videos well who's
26:52
that you know you're just so outgoing just away from other
26:55
people yeah it's it's a different different setting
26:58
like as opposed to just being one-on-one with
27:01
someone you know and just like actually opening up and
27:04
sharing life together and all that kind of stuff and you know it's but
27:07
you've said before you want that yeah but you
27:10
you have to let all let everything
27:13
and i think i'll let i was wanted on my
27:16
own terms a lot of ways you know and that doesn't know
27:19
what do you mean i don't know it's i remember
27:22
be my best friend and let's never talk i remember when i
27:25
became a christian like i remember like i it was
27:28
i just i longed for like
27:30
for the day that my phone would stop ringing and i
27:34
wanted and and eventually it did it stopped
27:37
ringing wait back up you said you became a christian yeah like it's weird like
27:42
i i i wanted i wanted to kind of get away and i didn't want to be called by
27:47
like people i wanted to just be on my own and then eventually got on my own
27:52
and i'm on my own and and this phone stopped.
27:56
And, you know, I just feel like, you know, like now I crave that again.
28:00
I crave, you know, I, and a lot, I don't even know what it was like.
28:03
I, it was just like, you know, even like people that you, you're friends with
28:07
it, like, you know, like, and it's just.
28:10
We have different, different things that we're interested in,
28:14
you know, and you're not, you're not doing the same things as them, you know?
28:19
And, and, but I don't know, I don't know what it was, but I just remember that.
28:24
Like I, I wanted to kind of just get away and like, not, you know,
28:28
I wanted to kind of be on my own Island kind of thing. And I just. At the time. Yeah.
28:33
And now you're like. I kind of like, yeah, it's, it would. And then you kind
28:37
of just, you miss it, you know, kind of thing. We got a big one.
28:41
A big one. So I used to have a friend group and an, and in our friend group was a.
28:48
Nakavi girl. Yeah. Nakavi girl. and the others are not. And I didn't know that
28:56
she was until we hang out.
28:59
I didn't hate her or anything. Hate on her or anything. Hate on her or anything.
29:04
But she kept shading. What does that say? I don't see the rest of it.
29:09
Is it cut off on yours? You can scroll, Bonnie. You can scroll on it if you're able to on there.
29:13
It might have cut off on the screen. Like, here, I couldn't even pull it up.
29:16
I don't know how you scroll.
29:18
Anyways, shading. Me and saying, oh, you don't want, you don't wear a hijab.
29:26
A hijab, yeah.
29:27
Yeah, hijab. Or why you're wearing clothes that show part of your body or neck and stuff like that.
29:35
And she hates a lot because I'm not like her.
29:39
Oh, that's, I mean, that's really intense. Oh, yeah, yeah. So what's a hijab?
29:44
What's that? The head covering for the Muslim woman who wore it. Oh, yeah.
29:50
Those things are cool. I'm going to pull it all in there. Is that how you say
29:54
it? Hijab? Hijab. Hijab.
29:58
Hopefully I'm pronouncing that right. I'm sorry. Oh, well. I got so many questions
30:03
about that, man. That's intense.
30:06
So that's like, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. What do you think,
30:08
honey, about that? It's just.
30:10
So like she was judging you for not wearing it? Is that what we're getting?
30:14
So kind of like not being as conservative, like in like covering yourself. Maybe.
30:20
Yeah that's tough i mean you gotta do what
30:23
you gotta do yeah part of being a
30:25
friend is expecting them for who they are and what they want to wear or do yeah
30:30
just which i already told this before but that's tough yeah when your friends
30:35
are asking you for advice and stuff it's almost like something you can tell
30:39
them but then they're gonna do what they want to do and then you just gotta let them do it,
30:45
You never say, I told you so, or why'd you do that? You know,
30:49
because lately I've just been nodding and listening.
30:53
Just because a lot of people, they don't want really an answer from you or like what to do.
30:58
They, they want to vent. They want to like kind of just, they have their own
31:02
answer in their mind and they a lot of times want you to validate it.
31:04
And like, I'm the same way you want your, you have your opinion,
31:07
what you think should happen.
31:08
If someone says something that's not exactly what you're wanting.
31:12
You don't really, you're not really going to receive it.
31:14
You know and what is the weird thing that i do with you
31:17
if i want to do something you're like yeah okay maybe
31:20
we can and i go then i'll i'll flip it like
31:23
you know like maybe it's not such a good idea wait don't agree
31:26
to it like i'll fight for it fight for it
31:29
maybe i'm just pushing a seat i don't know like
31:32
like what do you i because i'm probably thinking something different what are
31:35
you talking about like it happens so much like can we
31:38
please do this or that or buy this and you're
31:41
like okay let's think about it i go no it's too
31:43
much or no never mind oh and then
31:46
we flip opinions completely yeah like
31:50
even though we're alike in a lot of ways like in a lot of ways we
31:52
are completely different we think completely different you know so
31:56
i i can i get that you know i understand that but
31:59
then we flip it and then we have the exact opposite opinion
32:03
maybe but sometimes i just think sometimes i think you're you kind of you're
32:07
oppositional to me like if i if i think something you sometimes just immediately
32:11
take the devil's advocate position of it sometimes i really just think that
32:15
though maybe that's it what did you have bonnie there's two the first one says,
32:22
as i said i became a christian back when i was muslim muslim i don't used to wear a jab or any of.
32:35
Muslim clothes. Muslim clothes. But because of, assuming that's the country,
32:41
I live and there's a law which you wear a buyout. Oh my goodness. Wow. Wow.
32:48
Wow. That's tough. I mean, in a culture like that, that's like real life, you know?
32:57
So even back then, before you became a Christian, so let's say if you're a Muslim,
33:02
you're either It's like you're either born a Muslim or you're born a Christian. That's your identity.
33:06
It's like on your, a lot of times on your birth certificate.
33:09
It's like you were born into that.
33:11
So when you become a Christian, you don't have to wear all that anyway.
33:16
But even before you became a Christian, she didn't wear that.
33:19
That's what she said. She's in the friend group and even she was a Muslim.
33:22
Oh, okay. Right? Is that right?
33:25
When you're Muslim before you became a Christian, you didn't wear what she was wearing.
33:30
And then so yeah that's i mean that's tough
33:33
i mean like different cultures have different like something that
33:36
is in a more tropical climate different
33:39
places they might think we're almost nothing and
33:42
it seemed like it's just like accepted you know as opposed to
33:45
just in where like they're at you
33:48
know it's that's just part of the norms you know and you just gotta
33:51
i know and like like here even in like there's really
33:54
ultra conservative christians like we're christians ultra conservative
33:57
says you can't wear pants girls you have to wear
34:00
your hair long and never cut you cannot wear makeup and she
34:03
said yeah okay she she confirmed it
34:06
yeah wow that's so did
34:09
that friendship not work out then that's tough
34:13
yeah so so your so your friend is still a muslim and you're a christian that's
34:19
and that's tough i mean i because whenever when we were like overseas and when
34:25
we were overseas and just I mean we saw we witnessed.
34:30
Muslims some turn to Christ you know and it's like and
34:33
it's different like and then some were like their family
34:37
would like I remember one was saying like his dad was just like I'll slit your
34:41
throat that kind of thing you know if you become a Christian that is like a
34:44
death sentence you know like if I remember that right so if someone became a
34:49
Christian maybe you can tell us this in countries where it's like that.
34:55
Do you just kind of hide it? Sadly, yeah. All the friend group didn't work out.
35:01
Yeah, true. Oh, man. Yeah. That's tough.
35:04
I mean, well, going back to my friends I've had for a long time,
35:08
I have them because our commonality is Christ. What is in South Korea?
35:14
Still friends. I haven't talked for a long time. But, you know,
35:16
they live kind of far away, but I see them more than the other people that live
35:22
right next to me just because you just feel so much closer to people who are
35:25
Christians when you're a Christian, I think.
35:28
I do. I know what you mean. You meet somebody that you've never met before and
35:33
then they're a Christian, you immediately have that connection.
35:36
I remember Fidelis, if you're out there. Do you remember Fidelis?
35:40
Kind of. Wonderful trainer man from the Y. Maybe.
35:44
He just started working there a long time ago.
35:48
And that's one of the first things he said. He's like, I'm a Christian. I guess so am I.
35:51
And like he just felt like a brother immediately you
35:54
know just instant comfortableness between
35:57
us you know or anybody but that's just
36:00
one example but yeah it's a
36:03
i know like even where i work you know they're like
36:06
you immediately like somebody just met they're they're a christian you
36:09
just have that immediate connection like the thing
36:12
that you love the most the thing that the
36:14
person you love the most and that your life is is
36:18
you have the same thing that you share you know it's like
36:22
it's crazy it's pretty it's awesome but it
36:25
doesn't like you don't immediately not everything's always
36:28
going to be hunky-dory every not everything's always going to be perfect you're
36:32
like with that person you know what i mean just because you share the same like
36:35
love for christ sometimes it can be tougher sometimes you i don't know like
36:41
if someone's a christian it's like you almost then you can't just kind of hide in the crowd.
36:47
They know you're a Christian. You know they're a Christian. It's like.
36:51
Then you're both on the same level and you
36:54
can't just kind of go along with the crowd and kind of so it's
36:57
like you almost got to stand out and represent you
37:00
know and that's kind of can be tough yes but it's
37:03
comforting knowing that there's someone else oh yeah with 100
37:06
yeah 100 yeah always yeah so
37:10
gosh i mean gosh there's a law which
37:13
is you wear a baya that was
37:16
a long time ago oh what am i seeing then
37:19
i don't even know but that's i don't know if you can say where did
37:23
she say where they're maybe shouldn't yeah maybe you shouldn't
37:25
but like i'm so glad you jumped in
37:28
yeah it's it's a different a different world you know
37:31
like everybody is going i
37:35
mean that that's like real i mean like the closest thing that we have that to
37:38
that level is almost kind of like the Amish you know it is like they are you
37:45
get shunned by your family it's like if you want to go out into the world you
37:49
know even like because them becoming just a regular Christian is almost going out into the world,
37:54
because you're no longer you have to you have to you have to stay within that
38:01
kind of culture and that and that otherwise you are kind of almost stepping out into darkness,
38:06
you know and that's what it's it's very tough you know I feel like you're going
38:10
to say something yeah but like just the shunning you know that's what what.
38:19
You need to love people no matter what, no matter what they're doing or what even they believe.
38:25
God's going to sort it out later. If they really have a question about what's
38:30
right or something, you build that relationship first, and then you ask the
38:33
hard questions. What do you think about this or that?
38:35
You say, well, they actually think this.
38:40
And they will accept that a lot more than you just beating someone over the
38:42
head with it and shunning them. You're doing that. I'm not going to talk to you anymore.
38:46
Because that even that principle is it's biblical
38:49
but it's i think taken in well i
38:52
think i think it's doing almost the steps that
38:55
the bible outlines but maybe not doing it in the
38:58
right way or doing it like on a on a
39:01
right reason because like
39:05
we are like as christians that paul lays
39:08
that out like if there's if someone sees their brother sinning you're
39:11
not supposed to even eat with your brother because i
39:14
think that's where they're taking that you know and but they're seeing i
39:16
think it's will like willful sins they
39:19
know they're doing something wrong and they're still calling themselves a christian
39:22
and just blatantly doing this sin right yeah and
39:26
you're saying no that's that's wrong we can't
39:29
represent christ like that right yeah and yeah
39:33
that and that's tough i mean like just like try to
39:36
hash that out in the church today in american church like
39:39
that's tough i mean like because we're all about
39:42
not being judgmental and not judging anyone
39:45
else's sins and that's like i mean i i agree with that because like he was without
39:50
sin cast the first stone it's like i'm like i am would be the worst person but
39:54
like i think that's why we need to shape up as much as we can and be confident
39:59
and live with a clear conscience so that we can help others and instruct them
40:03
in the right way you know but i mean like.
40:05
How do you get to that point? That's tough. What do you have, Bonnie?
40:09
Another one says, yeah, I agree, and I'm moving away, so I don't care about them anymore.
40:15
The only thing that I care about now is my family and my future.
40:21
Aw. Yeah. Sometimes you just have to leave them behind.
40:25
You know, everybody, you just kind of move on, you know? Yeah. Different people.
40:30
People come in and out of your life. i mean my best my best
40:33
friend from kindergarten to sixth grade like nothing really
40:37
happened between us we just kind of drifted apart
40:40
and that's okay you know sometimes people
40:44
just come in and out for different reasons sometimes you
40:47
just need to start over and get start fresh and not like and
40:50
it's not just that relationship can be
40:53
toxic it can be it just be bad for you and bad for them and there maybe needs
40:59
to be that separation so we can breathe and then maybe can come back together
41:03
later or there can be reconciliation if it's needed or it can be just you are
41:09
you go about and live your life in peace they live their life in peace or whatever and.
41:14
Everybody's different everybody's that's that's tough i mean yeah when people
41:19
are going through real things i mean like a lot of times my like my real deals
41:23
a lot of times don't have to do with social stuff with other people.
41:28
It's kind of my own thing. I'm going through a lot of, a lot of times and just
41:32
my own anxieties, my own worries that I have in life.
41:35
It's not necessarily making a, I've made someone else mad or something like that.
41:41
And, or not at peace with someone else, you know, but I, I think,
41:45
but I think I want, I want, that's why I, when we made that video a while back
41:48
about, are we doing Christianity wrong? Remember that?
41:51
Or it was about something like that. And like, I,
41:55
I think it's just within me, and I have the desire so much to be with other
42:00
people, to be just completely just engulfed with other people and live in that setting.
42:07
And I think that's like, I'm almost sometimes kind of an overreaction where
42:11
I want that so much that I want all the church to come together.
42:14
And I've just listened to other people say stuff about it. There can be beauty
42:19
in the church of different parts of Christianity doing things different,
42:24
just as we have different cultures and there's diversity and all that kind of
42:27
stuff and it doesn't have to be where we come uniform and all apart under run
42:32
one roof i still want it to be like we're all under one roof like physically
42:37
you know and all that but i don't think that's maybe gonna happen.
42:42
And i think it is kind of like a lot of my perspectives and the way that i see
42:48
everything is because of who I am inside and like what I've gone through and
42:54
like what I even desire within me. Like I want that, you know, camaraderie.
42:58
I want that brotherhood, you know, like in, and it's like, I want it so much.
43:02
I want it so much, you know, like I would like literally want it so much.
43:07
And where I, I, I think there's a lack of it within me that I don't feel it.
43:12
Like, I don't feel like I have it in the church.
43:14
I don't feel like I have that in the church. And I think even early on in my
43:19
Christian life, I had that desire where I was looking for Orthodox Christianity.
43:25
And I was trying to—because in the church that I'm at, I just feel isolated.
43:30
I feel secluded. I feel not close to anyone.
43:34
And I looked at other segments of Christianity, the Orthodox Church,
43:39
and there really wasn't anyone close around us.
43:44
Any churches like that there are maybe some but like I just
43:47
had that within me and I was even just even then trying to
43:50
like like you think like do they got it because like they're
43:53
they that that part of Christianity feels like it seems like they're closer together
43:56
than but maybe it's just me you know maybe
43:59
maybe it's just me in a lot of ways I think it's part
44:01
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at it you're very good at it i'm always getting better i
44:34
gotta go back and see the first things i did it's a learning curve
44:37
okay i i think i see
44:39
that exactly with my kind of my journey as
44:43
creating videos like whenever i first started
44:45
i was like how do i even create a podcast i wouldn't even i didn't know it took
44:48
me over a month to figure out how to quick time quick time is
44:51
like just to record yourself on a computer it took
44:54
like a month for me to figure that out i know i remember i was
44:57
being down here and you're like how do you do a podcast like where
45:00
do you go what do you do i still don't know but obviously you figured
45:03
it out if you look in this room i mean it's but you've done
45:06
it i feel like i don't i still don't know anything but like okay
45:10
you just need to pan around this room
45:12
even even my uh videos like i like my early videos and even they're so cringe
45:19
you knew my early videos are so cringe and even now i'm probably like i'm probably
45:23
gonna look back a year from now and just think i it's hard for me to watch a
45:27
video i made like a like a month ago you know it's like,
45:30
and I'm just always just striving to get better and I know any creator that's
45:34
out there that's making stuff.
45:36
It's like, I think you just got to keep doing it. You just got to do it and
45:39
you got to do it and you got to do it over and over and over and just figure
45:42
out like a lot of the, just the terminology that creators use never made sense to me.
45:48
When people talked about pacing and all, all this parts of a video and don't scream the camera.
45:55
And I just, I heard something really cool lately.
45:57
Like, and I watch, I'm always watching videos, YouTube videos and just devouring them.
46:02
But was when you're making videos, don't talk to the camera.
46:05
Don't as in don't just talk at a camera but
46:09
talk to the person behind the camera because
46:12
there is a real person behind the camera you
46:15
know and it's not and i think that's what i need to
46:18
do more as opposed to just talking at i
46:21
see you bonnie do it are you just one second baby i
46:25
love the room oh oh thank you so much
46:28
yeah thank you very much you only see a
46:30
little bit there's a bunch over there yeah and there's a mega
46:33
desk over here with about 15 screens and
46:36
lines i've been trying to get everything situated and next
46:39
week i'm actually going to my goal is i
46:42
want to start streaming every day in the morning my my
46:47
goal is to stream and do it as a podcast like
46:50
that and then just release it hopefully technology
46:53
permitting i'm able to do that you know we'll see better go
46:56
to that a little bit earlier i don't want to yeah we already know we already
47:00
know about sleep is no no fun for me but you must but you do feel so much better
47:06
when you sleep but i i also think we always talk about sleep i think once you
47:11
sleep once you give into that temptation of sleep.
47:14
All you're going to do is want to sleep more and you're going to just wake up
47:18
even tired or the next day sometimes if you sleep a lot it's like almost that
47:23
balance you got to hit that perfect window of how long to sleep and wake up, you know?
47:28
You have to listen to your body and know what's right for you.
47:30
Yeah, I remember you made that little short video where you said like,
47:34
does anyone have trouble asleep or something?
47:38
Yes, I do not want to sleep. Should I tell my embarrassing thing yesterday morning?
47:43
Always. What's your embarrassing thing, Jessie? What? What time was it? Six?
47:49
Oh, you're talking about what I saw? Yeah.
47:52
Why would you think it was embarrassing okay go ahead okay so I was the baby
47:59
started crying so I started to get up really quick to go warm up the bottle
48:02
because long story I couldn't feed him myself,
48:05
and got up too quickly and I passed out I just saw you got up and you were walking
48:11
over there and you just went and you fell backwards like,
48:14
I didn't know what you did.
48:17
That's why dad screamed I screamed and you said that i said that i do i'm so
48:27
glad you don't cuss bonnie i'm so glad you don't cuss even though you've heard
48:30
me cuss a million times you're like tired but you try to go quick or something,
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What? You just got up too quick? It's called orthostatic hypotension.
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It's low blood pressure.
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So when you're asleep, the blood is pooling in your legs. And you have to give
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yourself some time to get up.
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Otherwise, the blood leaves your... It doesn't get up to your brain or something.
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I don't know. And I passed out.
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Oh, my gosh. But it wasn't for that long. I didn't know you...
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I just thought you just fell down. You fell backwards.
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I fainted. Or is that what... Did you forget? You just thought I tripped and
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fell? I just thought you fell backwards.
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I passed out. If you're walking forward, you don't just trip and fall backwards.
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Well, I was like, I just, yeah. Did it feel hurt?
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No, but something is really hurting in my neck today, and I wonder if that's
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it. Don't. And then I think you thought I was having a... Don't.
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Don't. I'm going to be like Biden, Kamala. Don't.
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I thought that you thought I was having a stroke or something,
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because I was like, go get the water heating up.
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That's all you're worrying about yes because then he's just gonna it takes forever
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to warm up a bottle and he's just gonna be crying.
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Well Jesse I don't think that's an embarrassing story I don't think that's good
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I don't know I'm thankful you didn't get hurt I'm thankful you didn't get hurt
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worse than you did you know but like that happened once before like when I was younger but yeah,
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like I got out of bed I was really dizzy and so I put my hand I like leaned
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against the wall and then I woke up like this, laying flat on my back on the ground. Honey, God.
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So everyone, when you get up out of the bed in the morning, you need to work
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your calves, like up and down, like do this. And that will pump the blood back up to your brain.
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She's not lying. She's a health teacher. Before you get out of bed.