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He Never Said "Not Me": The Ring That Accused a Killer · True Nightmare Stories

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Speaker 1: A man was convicted of first degree murder without a
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Speaker 1: single piece of physical evidence tying him to the crime,
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Speaker 1: no weapon, no confession, not even a cause of death,
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Speaker 1: and yet a jury found him guilty after six weeks
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Speaker 1: of testimony because of what he never said. He sat
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Speaker 1: through the entire trial without one saying he didn't do it.
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Speaker 1: There is something else. A ring, A woman's ring, the
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Speaker 1: one thing missing from a dead woman's apartment, turned up
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Speaker 1: on the finger of another woman just weeks after the disappearance.
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Speaker 1: The man who gave it to her also pinned her
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Speaker 1: to the floor and acted out in careful detail how
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Speaker 1: he had killed someone before. This is the story of you,
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Speaker 1: Adea Weber, Kingston, Ontario, nineteen ninety seven, And the deeper
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Speaker 1: you go into it, the more certain you become that
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Speaker 1: some of what happened in that apartment was never meant
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Speaker 1: to be found. There is something about this case that
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Speaker 1: stayed with me long after I first read through it.
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Speaker 1: Not the evidence, but the specific sign ellins at the
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Speaker 1: center of it. On the night of August seventh, nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety seven, Uda Weber finished her shift at a Walmart
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Speaker 1: in Kingston, Ontario, said good night to her co workers
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Speaker 1: and walked to her nineteen eighty six gmc gimie. In
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Speaker 1: the parking lot. Employees watched her climb in. They watched
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Speaker 1: her pull out and turn left onto the road. Her
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Speaker 1: estimated arrival time at the apartment she shared on College
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Speaker 1: Street was ten thirty at night. She was forty eight
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Speaker 1: years old. She had survived a first marriage, a relocation
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Speaker 1: from Germany, and a difficult relationship that everyone around her
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Speaker 1: knew was unraveling. She was eight days away from changing
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Speaker 1: her life. The apartment belonged to Brady Marx, her errand
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Speaker 1: a Dura and close friend. Marx later told investigators that
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Speaker 1: Webber had been clear about where things stood. The relationship
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Speaker 1: with her boyfriend Jim Wall was finished. Wall had been
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Speaker 1: told to find somewhere else to live before August fifteenth.
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Speaker 1: He knew he had been working alongside Webber at Walmart
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Speaker 1: and driving tax. He's on the side, and he knew
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Speaker 1: exactly what was coming. Weber never arrived home that night,
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Speaker 1: or if she did, she never left again under her
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Speaker 1: own power. Kingston in August sits heavy and humid, the
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Speaker 1: kind of city where summer nights stay warm past midnight.
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Speaker 1: The apartment on College Street was ordinary in every way
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Speaker 1: that matters. A shared space, a woman rebuilding quietly, a
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Speaker 1: man who had overstayed everything. Jim Wall was not a
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Speaker 1: stranger to violence. In nineteen eighty three, he had been
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Speaker 1: convicted of second degree murder, he was out on parole
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Speaker 1: lifetime parole. At the time. He was living with Udo Webber.
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Speaker 1: He was her boyfriend. He worked two floors away from
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Speaker 1: her at Walmart, and as of May nineteen ninety seven,
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Speaker 1: she had handed back the wedding ring, said he gave
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Speaker 1: her right there in the store and asked for the
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Speaker 1: money back. She used it to buy herself a ring,
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Speaker 1: her own ring. That small act of financial severance was
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Speaker 1: the last purchase investigators would document with her name attached
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Speaker 1: to it. That ring was the only thing missing from
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Speaker 1: the apartment when Brady Marx reported Weber gone on August tenth.
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Speaker 1: Not her purse, not her clothes, not a single personal item.
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Speaker 1: Everything was there except you to Weber and the ring
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Speaker 1: she had chosen for herself. Marx told police something had
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Speaker 1: shifted in Weber in the weeks before she vanished. Not
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Speaker 1: fear exactly, more like resolve. The letter confirmed it. When
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Speaker 1: investigators analyzed the hard drive of the computer. In the apartment,
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Speaker 1: they found a draft Weber had written to a friend
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Speaker 1: in Germany. She accused Wall of stealing money from her.
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Speaker 1: She wrote that she wanted out. The letter was never sent.
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Speaker 1: The air in that apartment held more than any one
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Speaker 1: could see with the naked eye. When investigators processed the
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Speaker 1: kitchen and the bathroom with luminol, the chemical lit up.
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Speaker 1: Both rooms had been cleaned thoroughly, deliberately, but Luminov does
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Speaker 1: not forget. The reactions indicated blood had been present and
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Speaker 1: then removed. Nothing in the apartment was disturbed, nothing was broken.
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Speaker 1: There was no sign of a struggle in a conventional sense,
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Speaker 1: just a woman who had packed nothing, planned nothing, and
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Speaker 1: disappeared so completely that for two years and five months
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Speaker 1: the only physical trace of her was a dark stain
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Speaker 1: in the carpet of her own truck. The g MC
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Speaker 1: Jimmy turned up on August fifteenth, eight days after she vanished.
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Speaker 1: It was parked five blocks from the apartment on College Street.
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Speaker 1: Witnesses confirmed the vehicle had not been there before midnight
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Speaker 1: on the seventh. By morning it was investigators processed the interior.
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Speaker 1: The luminol reaction on the cargo mat in the back
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Speaker 1: was not subtle. DNA analysis confirmed it human blood female,
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Speaker 1: consistent with Uda Weber. The quantity was not consistent with survival.
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Speaker 1: Wall meanwhile, had not shown up to his taxi shift
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Speaker 1: on August eighth. When investigators interviewed him, he was evasive.
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Speaker 1: He could not account for his whereabouts during a twenty
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Speaker 1: four hour window that began the moment Weber left Walmart.
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Speaker 1: He offered no explanation for where she might have gone.
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Speaker 1: What he did not offer, not once across six weeks
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Speaker 1: of trial testimony, was those three words. He never said
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Speaker 1: he didn't do it. What happened between ten thirty on
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Speaker 1: the night of August seventh and the morning Wall moved
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Speaker 1: that truck five blocks away as the part of his
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Speaker 1: story that the evidence only reaches part way toward answering
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Speaker 1: the night of August seventh, nineteen ninety seven, and did
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Speaker 1: the same way it always did for Ude Ebber. She
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Speaker 1: clocked out, walked through the Walmart parking lot, and climbed
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Speaker 1: into her GMC Jimmy coworkers watched her pull out and
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Speaker 1: turn left. That was the last confirmed sighting. She never
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Speaker 1: made it home. Brady Marks waited. She waded through the
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Speaker 1: eighth then the ninth. By the tenth, she filed a
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Speaker 1: missing person's report with Kingston Police. The apartment held everything
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Speaker 1: Webber owned, her bag, her clothes, her coat. Nothing suggested
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Speaker 1: a planned departure. The only thing missing was the small
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Speaker 1: cosmetic ring she had bought for herself. After returning Walls,
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Speaker 1: Detective Mike Campbell of Kingston Police began with the obvious explanations.
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Speaker 1: Weber had walked away voluntarily. She had reasons to leave.
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Speaker 1: A deteriorating relationship, a letter on her computer hard drive
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Speaker 1: accusing Wall of stealing money, a firm desire to be
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Speaker 1: free of him before the end of the month. The
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Speaker 1: theory was reasonable. People leave, believe, without warning, without packing,
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Speaker 1: without saying good bye, except they don't leave without their purse.
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Speaker 1: Campbell pressed Wall in those early interviews. Wall was evasive.
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Speaker 1: He could not account for his own whereabouts during a
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Speaker 1: specific twenty four hour window the night Weber left work
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Speaker 1: and the morning after, he had not shown up for
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Speaker 1: his taxi shift on August eighth. When Campbell asked where
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Speaker 1: Webber might be, Wall offered nothing useful. He did not
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Speaker 1: say she had left him. He did not say he
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Speaker 1: was worried. He sat in the particular stillness of a
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Speaker 1: man who has already decided what he will and will
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Speaker 1: not say. The rational explanation stopped working here, because if
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Speaker 1: Weber had simply walked away from a bad relationship, the
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Speaker 1: g M C. Jimmy would have gone with her. It
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Speaker 1: was found on August fifteenth on College Street, five blocks
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Speaker 1: from the apartment. Witnesses placed its arrival between midnight and
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Speaker 1: early morning on August eighth. The same window wall could
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Speaker 1: not explain Inside the vehicle, investigators applied luminol to the
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Speaker 1: cargo area. The rear mat lit up. Monica Sloane, a
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Speaker 1: DNA biologist at the Center of Forensic Sciences, confirmed what
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Speaker 1: the luminol suggested. The reaction was human blood female, consistent
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Speaker 1: with Weber's DNA profile. The quantity was not a cut finger.
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Speaker 1: The quantity was not an accident. Sloane's finding did not
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Speaker 1: fit the voluntary disappearance theory. It did not fit any
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Speaker 1: framework in which Weber was still alive. Investigators returned to
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Speaker 1: the apartment with luminol. The kitchen reacted, the bathroom reacted.
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Speaker 1: Both rooms had been scrubbed visibly, thoroughly, with the deliberate
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Speaker 1: attention of someone who knew exactly what they were removing.
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Speaker 1: Wall had been told to vacate the apartment by August fifteenth,
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Speaker 1: the same date the truck was found, the same date
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Speaker 1: his deadline expired. He had used every one of those days.
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Speaker 1: The voluntary departure theory was gone. What replaced it was worse.
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Speaker 1: Donald Gasly had been Jim Wall's closest friend for years.
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Speaker 1: He had a history assault convictions, a pending investigation for
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Speaker 1: sexual interference with Miner's boart, but that history was not
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Speaker 1: why detectives wanted to find him. They wanted to find
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Speaker 1: him because he knew something, and he had vanished the
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Speaker 1: moment another officer moved to bring him in. For three days,
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Speaker 1: Gasly was untraceable, and his attorney, Stephen Zap, made contact.
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Speaker 1: Gasly wanted a deal. He would provide information about Udo
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Speaker 1: Webber in exchange for consideration on his assault charges. The
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Speaker 1: negotiation was brief, the terms were accepted. What ghaz Lady
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Speaker 1: described was methodical. He said Wall had used ethereer, the
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Speaker 1: kind sold commercially as quick start engines starter fluid, to
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Speaker 1: render Weber unconscious. He said Wall had dismembered her in
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Speaker 1: the bathtub. He said the remains were placed in garbage
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Speaker 1: bags and transported to a location. Gasly claimed to know.
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Speaker 1: That location was a swampy area off Montreal Road between
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Speaker 1: Kingston and Battersea. Access required navigating a makeshift entry point
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Speaker 1: behind a metal gate, through cedar trees, passed rock cuts
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Speaker 1: into the kind of ground that holds things for a
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Speaker 1: long time and gives nothing back easily. Investigators drained it.
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Speaker 1: They removed a beaver dam that had been controlling the
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Speaker 1: water level. What they found in the spring of two
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Speaker 1: thousand confirmed that Ghasly was not inventing a location. The
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Speaker 1: bones were there. Doctor Cathy Grosbier, a forensic anthropologist at
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Speaker 1: the Center of Forensic Sciences in Toronto, examined what had
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Speaker 1: been recovered. A skull, two fragmented ribs, the right scapula,
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Speaker 1: humorous and forearm bones, the left scapula the proximal end
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Speaker 1: of the right femur. Approximately half of the skeleton was missing,
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Speaker 1: scattered by water by time by the particular indifference of
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Speaker 1: a swamp to what is placed inside it. The femur
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Speaker 1: carried four cut marks. They were consistent with a hand saw,
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Speaker 1: possibly a haxaw, with a blade no wider than one
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Speaker 1: point one millimeters, four deliberate strokes, not the marks of
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Speaker 1: a tool used in construction or yard work, the marks
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Speaker 1: of someone finishing a task. Grassbier could not determine the
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Speaker 1: cause of death from what remained. The bones did not
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Speaker 1: reveal whether Webber was alive or unconscious when the cutting began.
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Speaker 1: That question, the one that determines the full weight of
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Speaker 1: what happened in that bathroom, cannot be answered. The evidence
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Speaker 1: stops there and does not continue. A shovel was found
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Speaker 1: in the adjacent field near the rock cut. It was
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Speaker 1: covered in overgrown grass two years of growth, consistent with
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Speaker 1: being set down in the summer of nineteen ninety seven
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Speaker 1: and never retrieved. No murder weapon was ever found. No haxaw,
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Speaker 1: no quick start canister, no physical evidence that placed Wall's
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Speaker 1: hands on any of it. Everything Gasly described was consistent
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Speaker 1: with the physical evidence. None of it was independently corroborated
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Speaker 1: by physical evidence. The prosecutor's case against Jim Wall carried
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Speaker 1: no confession, It carried no weapon, It carried no finger
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Speaker 1: prints inside that swamp, no fiber evidence connecting Wall to
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Speaker 1: the site, no witness who placed him at Montreal Road
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Speaker 1: on any specific night when it carried was the shape
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Speaker 1: of everything around. The absence. Wall had motive that had
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Speaker 1: been building since May of nineteen ninety seven. When Weber
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Speaker 1: returned his ring set at their shared workplace and replaced
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Speaker 1: it with one she had bought for herself, he had
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Speaker 1: been told to leave. He was a man with a
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Speaker 1: prior murder conviction on lifetime parole who had demonstrated before
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Speaker 1: that he was capable of what investigators now suspected he
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Speaker 1: had twenty four hours he could not explain. His truck's
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Speaker 1: cargo area held Weber's blood in a quantity that foreclosed
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Speaker 1: the possibility she had simply driven away. And then there
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Speaker 1: was Deborah Brooks. Weeks after Webber disappeared, Wall began courting
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Speaker 1: a woman named Deborah Brooks who was in hospital recovering
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Speaker 1: from a nervous breakdown. He gave her a ring. Investigators
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Speaker 1: later confirmed it was Weber's ring, the cosmetic one she
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Speaker 1: had purchased for herself, the only object missing from the apartment,
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Speaker 1: the one detail that had no explanation in any version
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Speaker 1: of events where Wall was uninvolved. Brooks also described something
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Speaker 1: that Wall had done while she was in his company.
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Speaker 1: He had pinned her to the floor and acted out
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Speaker 1: a prior killing, a re enactment of the murder for
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Speaker 1: which he had been convicted in nineteen eighty three. He
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Speaker 1: showed her he wanted her to see it. The trial
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Speaker 1: ran for six weeks. Wall did not take the stand
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Speaker 1: to say he had not done it, and the entirety
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Speaker 1: of those proceedings, through the presentation of every piece of
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Speaker 1: evidence and every witness, he never said the words I
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Speaker 1: didn't do it. Not. Once the jury found him guilty
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Speaker 1: of first degree murder, he was sentenced to life in
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Speaker 1: prison without eligibility for parole for twenty five years. The
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Speaker 1: rational explanation had required at every stage that the evidence
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Speaker 1: be something other than what it was. It required that
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Speaker 1: the blood in the truck be coincidental, that the luminal
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Speaker 1: reactions in the kitchen and bathroom be unrelated to Weber's disappearance,
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Speaker 1: That Ghasly had invented a specific scar swamp in a
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Speaker 1: specific location that happened to contain specific bones, That the
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Speaker 1: shovel had been abandoned there by someone else two years
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Speaker 1: before investigators arrived, that Wall's inability to account for himself
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Speaker 1: was simply poor memory. That the ring on Brooks's finger
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Speaker 1: had an innocent explanation. There is no version of this
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Speaker 1: story where all of those things are true simultaneously. Wall
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Speaker 1: never offered one. He sat through six weeks of testimony
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Speaker 1: and offered nothing that could be tested, contradicted, or believed.
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Speaker 1: The only person who could have answered the question, Grospier,
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Speaker 1: could not whether Uda Webber was conscious when the cutting began.
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Speaker 1: Joe's silence. Instead. Jim Wall was arrested on January thirteenth,
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Speaker 1: two thousand, at five in the afternoon. The trial ran
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Speaker 1: six weeks. The jury returned a verdict of guilty of
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Speaker 1: first degree murder, and in those six weeks of testimony,
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Speaker 1: through every witness and every piece of evidence presented against him,
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Speaker 1: Wall never once said the words I didn't do it,
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Speaker 1: not once that simon became its own kind of testimony.
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Speaker 1: Defense attorneys are trained to create doubt, to find the
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Speaker 1: crack where reasonable uncertainty lives. The absence of a flat
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Speaker 1: denial across six weeks with a life sentence on the
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Speaker 1: table was a crack no one could explain away. The
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Speaker 1: conviction rested on no confession, no weapon, no saw, no
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Speaker 1: direct physical evidence placing Wall at the swamp on Montreal Road.
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Speaker 1: What it rested on was the accumulation a truck interior
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Speaker 1: saturated with blood that could not be survived, an apartment
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Speaker 1: chemically scrubbed but not perfectly, a best friend who led
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Speaker 1: police through a wire gate and passed cedars to a
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Speaker 1: drained bog, And four cut marks on a femur that
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Speaker 1: told a forensic anthropologist exactly what kind of blade had
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Speaker 1: been used, even if it told her nothing about whether
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Speaker 1: Uda Webber was still alive when it happened. That last
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Speaker 1: part does not resolve. It was never meant to. Donald
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Speaker 1: Gasly received consideration on his sexual assault charges in exchange
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Speaker 1: for the information that broke the case open. His direct
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Speaker 1: involvement in Weber's death was never proven in court. He
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Speaker 1: is not a convicted accomplice. What he is legally is
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Speaker 1: an informant who walked investigators to a bog and described
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Speaker 1: what he said he knew. The jury heard his account.
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Speaker 1: They also heard what the bones confirmed and what they
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Speaker 1: could not. Approximately half of Weber's skeleton was never recovered.
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Speaker 1: The skull was there, the right femur with its four
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Speaker 1: deliberate marks, two fragmented ribs, scapuli, parts of the right arm,
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Speaker 1: but half of her remained somewhere in that swamp, in
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Speaker 1: that field. In the two years between the nights she
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Speaker 1: never came home, and the spring morning, when a beaver
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Speaker 1: dam was manually removed and the water began to drain,
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Speaker 1: a shovel was found in the adjacent field, covered an
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Speaker 1: overgrown grass, consistent with two years of abandonment. No finger
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Speaker 1: prints were reported on record, no DNA, just a tool
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Speaker 1: left in a field growing over. The computer recovered from
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Speaker 1: the apartment contained a letter Weber had written to a
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Speaker 1: friend and in Germany. She wrote that Wall had been
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Speaker 1: stealing money from her. She wrote that she wanted to
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Speaker 1: end the relationship. The letter was never sent. It was
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Speaker 1: still on the hard drive when investigators analyzed it, a
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Speaker 1: message that traveled no further than the machine it was
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Speaker 1: typed on. Her daughter, Satu Mutanen, lived in Germany, the
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Speaker 1: child of Weber's first marriage to Deeter Heydebrecht. Heydebrecht had
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Speaker 1: been confirmed in Germany when Webber disappeared, eliminated early, thoroughly
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Speaker 1: without ambiguity. What Satu carried forward was not a question
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Speaker 1: of who, but the particular weight of a mother whose
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Speaker 1: remains were found in pieces in a swamp too and
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Speaker 1: a half years after she last walked out of a
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Speaker 1: wal Mart in Kingston, Ontario. There is a version of
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Speaker 1: this story where the ring is just an object. Weber
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Speaker 1: had returned Wall's rings to him in May of nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety seven, handed them back at Walmart, exchanged them for
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Speaker 1: a refund, and used that money to buy herself a
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Speaker 1: cosmetic ring, her own, not his. When investigators found that
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Speaker 1: ring on Deborah Brooks, the woman Wall had courted in
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Speaker 1: a hospital while she was recovering from a nervous breakdown,
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Speaker 1: the woman he had pinned to the floor of a
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Speaker 1: room and performed a re enactment of a killing he
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Speaker 1: had already committed once before they understood what kind of
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Speaker 1: man they were dealing with. The ring was recovered, it
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Speaker 1: was logged into evidence. It had been the only object
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Speaker 1: missing from Weber's apartment when Brady Marx reported her gone
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Speaker 1: on August tenth, nineteen ninety seven. Wall had kept it
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Speaker 1: then given it away as if it were his to give.
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Speaker 1: Here is what the record shows and what it does not.
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Speaker 1: It shows a woman who wanted out, who wrote the letter,
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Speaker 1: who returned the rings, who had given Wall a deadline
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Speaker 1: of August fifteenth to find somewhere else to live. She
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Speaker 1: did not make it to August fifteenth. It does not
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Speaker 1: show how she died. The bones could not say four
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Speaker 1: marks on a femur made by a blade no wider
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Speaker 1: than one point one millimeters, And the question of whether
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Speaker 1: she was already gone when that blade moved, that question
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Speaker 1: has no end answer in the record. It may never
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Speaker 1: have won. Wall sat through six weeks of trial and
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Speaker 1: never said he was innocent. There is something in that
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Speaker 1: silence that lands differently depending on how you hold it.
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Speaker 1: A defense attorney would say, a defendant has no obligation
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Speaker 1: to speak. A jury of twelve people heard it and
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Speaker 1: convicted him of first degree murder, first degree planned deliberate.
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Speaker 1: The swamp on Montreal Road still exists. The cedars are
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Speaker 1: still there, past the improvised entrance behind the wire gate.
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Speaker 1: The water came back after the beaver dam was removed
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Speaker 1: and drained, and the search concluded. Water always comes back
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Speaker 1: somewhere in that swamp, or in the field beside it,
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Speaker 1: or somewhere else entirely along the road between Kingston and Battersea.
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Speaker 1: The rest of udo Webber's bones are still unaccounted for.
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Speaker 1: Half of her no warrant, no conviction, no sentence changes
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Speaker 1: that sat to Mutenan, lost her mother to a swamp
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Speaker 1: and a trial, and a letter that was never sent.
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Speaker 1: The last confirmed image of Udoh webs Or is this.
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Speaker 1: She walked out of Walmart after ten o'clock on the
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Speaker 1: night of August seventh, nineteen ninety seven, got into her
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Speaker 1: g M C Jimmy, and turned left out of the
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Speaker 1: parking lot. She turned left and she did not come home.
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