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Ep. 866: The Boundary Waters Tragedy, Oklahoma CWD, and Mutilated Paddlefish · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hit It Phil Boom. This week on the news show,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about Senate Republicans giving a big old thumbs
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  Speaker 1: up to a toxic copper sulfide mine just outside of
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  Speaker 1: the Boundary Waters Wilderness on the Superior National Forest. Oklahoma
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  Speaker 1: starts letting deer breeders cut their pet deer loose in
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  Speaker 1: the wild, thinking it'll somehow help genetics, despite any reason
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  Speaker 1: to think so. Paddlefish anglers in Missouri are practicing catch,
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  Speaker 1: mutilate and release fishing has made that up. Spencer's interested
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  Speaker 1: in a meteor shower, which is cool yea. And Steve
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  Speaker 1: Bitches even more about Colorado's asenine animal rights movement, plus
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  Speaker 1: a lot more. Joined today by doctor Randa Williams. Jordan
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  Speaker 1: Sillers is here from Blood Trails podcasts and many other things.
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  Speaker 2: Dr Jordan Stillers sorry, Doctor Jordan's.
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  Speaker 3: Side of the table.
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  Speaker 2: It's fine, fine, I'm a big credentialist.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Doctor Jordan Sillers is here.
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  Speaker 4: Jack's instage Spencer B A.
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  Speaker 1: Spencer Newhart, g BG b A. Brody Henderson.
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  Speaker 5: You did a great job reading that intro, but I'm
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  Speaker 5: curious as to whether you mistakenly said Steve Bitches or
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  Speaker 5: you're now referring to yourself as Steve on the third person,
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  Speaker 5: Like that's a thing.
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  Speaker 1: Now, No, it's not, because it's I was just trying
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  Speaker 1: to keep it the format. Yeah, it's like picture that
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  Speaker 1: you're at home.
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  Speaker 2: He dissociates for the introduction, pitch.
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  Speaker 1: More about Colorado's Okay, anti Ferbank.
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  Speaker 6: When you're talking to your wife, you're not like Steve
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  Speaker 6: needs to clean his room.
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  Speaker 1: No, No, I'm going to bitch about the Colorado's Firman, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a bunch of just it's yeah, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: gonna go off on it for a while, like an hour.
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  Speaker 6: I want to hear it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Steve and I just returned from Illinois. Was I
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  Speaker 3: just did a roast episode. I was watching the edit
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  Speaker 3: and uh, I said that the montas Tenna State University
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  Speaker 3: Bobcats pounded the Illinois whoever. Yeah, you know, for whatever reason.
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  Speaker 3: Growing up, Like, I just said that a lot. And
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  Speaker 3: it was later in life when I was finally corrected.
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  Speaker 3: And it's still just a.
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  Speaker 2: Hard habit to break for me.
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  Speaker 3: Anyways, we were in Illinois hunting turkeys with the winners,
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  Speaker 3: actually not the winner. We hunted with the brothers in
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  Speaker 3: law of the winner of last year's r.
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  Speaker 1: C had a baby and couldn't make it, Yeah, or was.
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  Speaker 3: His wife was about to have a baby and couldn't
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  Speaker 3: be gone, and so he sent his two brothers in law,
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  Speaker 3: which was very nice of him, And I felt like,
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  Speaker 3: what a great thing for all three of those brothers
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  Speaker 3: to be so lucky to marry into that group of
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  Speaker 3: people and be like, oh, you're running your brother in
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  Speaker 3: law and oh you like to hunt a lot? I
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  Speaker 3: mean not everybody gets that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Anyways, amazing hunt. Quite possibly the best day of Eastern
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  Speaker 3: turkey hunting I've experienced. Would you say yours was equally
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  Speaker 3: as good?
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  Speaker 1: We had a hell of a day one day. Very
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  Speaker 1: interesting day, Yeah, very interesting day.
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  Speaker 3: Lots of birds playing ball, as we like to say. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: made me feel like a real expert turkey caller. Are
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  Speaker 3: we gonna go into talking about any of the details
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  Speaker 3: of the hunting or you.
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  Speaker 6: Get any of those like thirty pounders?
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  Speaker 1: No huge?
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  Speaker 3: No, No, they're big, but you know, we had a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of scales that didn't have batteries in them, and
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  Speaker 3: so it's hard to weigh.
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  Speaker 1: I felt like I had a lifetime of turkey experiences
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  Speaker 1: in one day probably the best. You know, Like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Turkey's like to strut on railroad tracks, so does this
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  Speaker 1: group of turkeys in this place is like it's nothing
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  Speaker 1: but railroad tracks. It's like railroad tracks because we're hunting
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  Speaker 1: along a valley. The tracks go down the valley. Trains
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  Speaker 1: are amazing your major part of hunting. Here Turkey's strutting
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  Speaker 1: on the tracks. And it leads to the question, like
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  Speaker 1: what do they do when the train comes? So like
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  Speaker 1: you get all excited thinking the train's gonna come and
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna go flying way off. You know, when the
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  Speaker 1: train comes, they step out of the way. I mean
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  Speaker 1: they stepped out of the way the train going by,
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  Speaker 1: and they're like like, unlet's just go down the embankment
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  Speaker 1: and stand there.
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  Speaker 3: These aren't slow ass Montana trains like the one I
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  Speaker 3: deal with almost on a daily basis that you feel
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  Speaker 3: like you could just about run next to and grab
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  Speaker 3: the ladder and jump onto the Like I stepped out
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  Speaker 3: of the way for a train. And when I was
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  Speaker 3: with Andy, we took a video. I mean that sucker
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  Speaker 3: was humming like like a solid sixty miles an hour,
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  Speaker 3: just like the cars are just like half a second.
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  Speaker 5: You know, you know you've talked about fly seeing a
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  Speaker 5: hand coming at them.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe the turkeys.
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  Speaker 1: It's so fair, yeah, so fair us. It seems slow
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  Speaker 1: to them. A lot of turkey hunt experiences.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of turkey hunting. Yeah, it was It was cool.
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  Speaker 3: They played ball. But we just want to give everybody
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  Speaker 3: a heads up that we're going to have the time
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  Speaker 3: period when you can buy raffle tickets for next year
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  Speaker 3: or next year's for the twenty twenty seven hunt. And
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  Speaker 3: I believe we're working on securing the same form.
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  Speaker 1: I think that if he's up for it, and he said,
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  Speaker 1: let me know if you want to do this again,
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  Speaker 1: if that host is up for it, that will be
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  Speaker 1: the home. Yep. Both of the winners got their birds. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: fairly quickly. They both My guy got his first ever turkey.
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  Speaker 1: My buddy Andy came out and shift shift.
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  Speaker 3: For it makes it worth it.
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  Speaker 1: We had smoke king, salmon, meal deer uh. We had
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  Speaker 1: spot proms from Alaska. We had like Mule do your
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  Speaker 1: kill Basa. Our host one night brought over ribb eyes.
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  Speaker 1: We had razor clams.
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  Speaker 3: He did that thing with the We talked about this
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  Speaker 3: before on a show where you velvet the meat with
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  Speaker 3: the baking soda, you know, and then he deep fried
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  Speaker 3: it and did like a asiany kind of a dish,
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  Speaker 3: so good.
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  Speaker 2: And I wonder if we could sell more tickets to
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  Speaker 2: the raffle if it was like you guys, and then
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  Speaker 2: more of us also come along too.
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  Speaker 1: I think so yeah, But I don't know. But it's
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  Speaker 1: a it's I don't know, it's not an infinite turkey
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  Speaker 1: spot that we should probably and hunt and listen. I
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  Speaker 1: actually you want to hear like a long story.
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  Speaker 3: But no, because it has a this is there's something
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  Speaker 3: to be learned from Andy's story, and this is what
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  Speaker 3: it is. But I'll tell you that first, and then
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  Speaker 3: you tell me if we should tell the story. He
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  Speaker 3: basically missed a bunch of turkeys and we can just
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  Speaker 3: say say that's it. I can tell you about all
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  Speaker 3: the hunts.
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  Speaker 4: How many is a bunch?
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  Speaker 3: He missed three different We.
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  Speaker 1: Talk like missed opportunities, missshots, and the missed opportunity great.
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  Speaker 1: I've been friends with him, I've been friends with him
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  Speaker 1: since we were like in school.
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  Speaker 6: I'm looking forward to hearing his version at the Shack
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  Speaker 6: this summer.
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  Speaker 3: He's still in that place of turkey hunting. When that
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  Speaker 3: gobler comes over the ridge and there's his head and
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  Speaker 3: all you can see is his head, and you have
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  Speaker 3: two seconds maybe three to kill him. He's not processing
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  Speaker 3: all of that fast enough to go there. He is,
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  Speaker 3: bang and kill him. He goes, oh, okay, turkey, okay,
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  Speaker 3: one more step and then I'll pull it and then
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  Speaker 3: the turkey's gone, you know. But here's the deal. After
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  Speaker 3: all that, we get back, we're rushing. It's the last
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  Speaker 3: morning we got to get to the airport. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: we got to shoot this gun because he's shooting my gun,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm going to shoot the gun because I want
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  Speaker 3: to see if my gun's off. So I set up
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  Speaker 3: a target thirty yards, pull the trigger, smoke it. It's
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  Speaker 3: got a red yeah, red dot. And uh so I
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  Speaker 3: got this box that I oh unfolded so it's super long.
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  Speaker 3: I just drew a bunch of black circles on it,
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  Speaker 3: and the way I put up against the tree, one
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  Speaker 3: is like thirty inches off the ground, and then other
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  Speaker 3: black circles like at ground level. I said, all right,
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  Speaker 3: sit down and shoot that top top circle. He shoots it.
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  Speaker 3: The whole patterns on the bottom circle like at least
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  Speaker 3: two feet low. And I didn't have him repeat it
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  Speaker 3: because he's shootings my tss ammo at twelve bucks every
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  Speaker 3: time he pulls the trigger. And uh, but the best
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  Speaker 3: I can figure you guys, can you know, give me
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  Speaker 3: your opinion on this. But I know that with a pistol,
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  Speaker 3: when I start missing the target, you know what I'm
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  Speaker 3: doing is I'm pushing into that gun and I'm missing
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  Speaker 3: low because I'm like anticipating in recoils, I'm pushing the
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  Speaker 3: gun and the pushing the barrel down, And that's why
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  Speaker 3: you miss low because usually, like if someone that has
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  Speaker 3: a real bad flat insure a jerk right, they're like
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  Speaker 3: pulling the gun left or right, like a right he
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  Speaker 3: usually is gonna jerk it right lefty jerks that left
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  Speaker 3: or maybe up a little bit. But I feel like
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  Speaker 3: here he was sort of.
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  Speaker 7: Preloading, countering the recoil, counting the recoil, and before he
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  Speaker 7: got the trigger to break his gun was you know,
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  Speaker 7: and thirty yards he was two feet low.
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  Speaker 2: You have named two feet above the head of the turkey.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean had we gone right back out, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we maybe would have had had to do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he did in troubleshoot these misses till after the fact. Yeah, yeah, phenomenal,
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  Speaker 1: phenomenal clause.
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  Speaker 3: I want to wrap it up with this. I feel
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  Speaker 3: bad because I think about all the people out there
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  Speaker 3: that have had experiences like that and without diagnosing that,
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  Speaker 3: their friends just go, you're a shitty shot, bud, and
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  Speaker 3: they believe it, and no one like fixes it, and
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  Speaker 3: they go through their life being like, oh man, I'm
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  Speaker 3: a shitty shot. Maybe they quit hunting or or whatever
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  Speaker 3: it is, but like.
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  Speaker 1: Then they're putt a name to the problem.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it's fixable, right, Like do the old thing
• 10:05
  Speaker 3: where you get your buddy and then he either loads
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  Speaker 3: or doesn't load the shotgun for you and the hands
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  Speaker 3: it to you and it has you shoot at the target.
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  Speaker 3: And then when he gives you one, it's empty, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, you pull the trigger and go.
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  Speaker 1: And jump.
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  Speaker 3: Then you know, you know, you got a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of a flinch.
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  Speaker 1: Last thought about Illinois turkey hunting is that one o'clock
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  Speaker 1: cut off? You gotta quit it one? Yeah, just changes it.
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  Speaker 1: It's humane, it's more humane for humans. Yeah, could you
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  Speaker 1: get you get.
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  Speaker 3: A nice nap in.
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  Speaker 5: I used to be against it, but now I think
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  Speaker 5: I like it because you just concentrate all your effort
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  Speaker 5: in half a day and not worry about the rest.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what time it gets light to the
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  Speaker 1: time it gets dark.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but like you said, often, if you're hunting the
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  Speaker 3: whole whole day like that, you do come in. You
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  Speaker 3: take a little breaks in your mind. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 3: You gotta use toothpicks to keep.
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  Speaker 1: Ten o'clock getting supposed to be brutal.
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  Speaker 3: Were at every night? It was beautiful anyway, So keep
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  Speaker 3: an eye and an ear out from when we start
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  Speaker 3: talking about next year's TRCP Turkey Hunt. It's gonna be
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  Speaker 3: fun and phenomenal, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Jordan. So it was supposed to do in your
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  Speaker 1: your neck of the woods there, Jordan oh Man. Well, well, I'm.
• 11:23
  Speaker 8: Glad you asked, Steve. Blood Trail season two is out now.
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  Speaker 8: First episode is out. We're going to be releasing them
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  Speaker 8: every Thursday over the next eight weeks. So if you
• 11:34
  Speaker 8: didn't catch it last season, Blood Trails is our true
• 11:38
  Speaker 8: crime podcast about hunters and anglers, So we cover stories
• 11:42
  Speaker 8: where people outside get in some pretty serious trouble. So
• 11:47
  Speaker 8: we got a pretty interesting lineup this season from all
• 11:50
  Speaker 8: around the country. We have people who were killed, murdered,
• 11:54
  Speaker 8: people who disappeared without a trace. So I think, I think,
• 11:59
  Speaker 8: I hope people will enjoy it and tune in.
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: I thought of you today and I was reading an
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  Speaker 1: article about a diver that just found a family that
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  Speaker 1: had been missing since the fifties.
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  Speaker 9: Oh Man in a lake or they.
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  Speaker 1: Went out to cut Christmas tree boughs to make wreaths
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  Speaker 1: outside of Portland and a diver just found their car. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: They had kind of known a little bit about what
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  Speaker 1: had happened because they found a couple of the family
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  Speaker 1: members dead in the river, like in fifty nine or
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  Speaker 1: something like that. So and the car had never turned up.
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  Speaker 1: So one theory was that the car went into the river.
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  Speaker 1: But there was like a big man hunt and a
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  Speaker 1: big search, and now a diver found the family car
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  Speaker 1: in more human remains.
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  Speaker 9: That's wild.
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  Speaker 1: Made me think about you. Yeah, well, isn't that funny
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  Speaker 1: that that's how people think about you?
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  Speaker 4: Now?
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know you see my inbox the worst
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  Speaker 1: news I read. I bet he'd like to hear about this.
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: That catches.
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  Speaker 4: It's great in TV, it's kind of universally accepted that
• 13:10
  Speaker 4: season three of a show is the best. That's the peak.
• 13:13
  Speaker 4: It's where where your characters are established, your storylines are colliding.
• 13:18
  Speaker 4: Just the whole thing is sort of matured.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have to recycle anything.
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  Speaker 4: Season three is the pinnacle. So as good as Blood
• 13:23
  Speaker 4: Trails is in season two right now, mm, season three,
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  Speaker 4: it gets even better.
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  Speaker 1: I usually feel like by season three on TV shows,
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  Speaker 1: I don't watch serial shows because of this reason. I
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: can start smelling them writing it.
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: I can.
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: I can smell them writing.
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  Speaker 9: It like they're predictable.
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: I can smell them trying to keep it going okay,
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: like it's they're past the original idea. Not a whiff
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: of that in Blood Trails though, No, no, it's not
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: a serial drama.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Phil, that's that's like a thing, right.
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  Speaker 3: Sure.
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  Speaker 10: I don't necessarily agree because most of a lot of
• 13:57
  Speaker 10: my favorite TV shows, I think their best seasons are
• 13:59
  Speaker 10: like four and five. But I but I do think
• 14:01
  Speaker 10: season three is that's a pretty good theory.
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  Speaker 5: That's something to think about though for the audience. One case,
• 14:06
  Speaker 5: and you do like twenty episodes on one case, so we.
• 14:11
  Speaker 8: Are this summer planning a three, three or four we
• 14:14
  Speaker 8: haven't decided yet. Mini series On one case, really.
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah about when my fish got stolen. You're familiar
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  Speaker 1: with it.
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  Speaker 9: No, no, we're gonna do uh.
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  Speaker 8: And we talked to them, actually, these guys who got
• 14:27
  Speaker 8: stuck over in Turks and Caicos because oh yeah, they
• 14:31
  Speaker 8: had their luggage, we did, but we interviewed them when
• 14:35
  Speaker 8: they were still stuck on the island, so they had
• 14:37
  Speaker 8: to be kind of careful about what they shared and
• 14:39
  Speaker 8: what they didn't.
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  Speaker 9: Now they're home, you know. Spoiler alert.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, there's enough there for three episodes.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I saw listen.
• 14:48
  Speaker 8: I talked to the guy who was in prison out
• 14:52
  Speaker 8: over there for eight months. This prison was declared by
• 14:56
  Speaker 8: the UN to be a human rights violation. Wow, I
• 14:59
  Speaker 8: talked to him for five hours. It's there's some crazy
• 15:03
  Speaker 8: stories from a Turks and Caicos prison, as you might imagine.
• 15:06
  Speaker 9: So there's there's plenty there for uh.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: I'll trust your instincts, I and your new season's off
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: to you a strong start.
• 15:14
  Speaker 8: Yes, yes, episode one is out. It's about a hunter
• 15:17
  Speaker 8: up near Helena. So this neck of the woods who
• 15:20
  Speaker 8: was murdered checked up too, Yeah, back in twenty eleven,
• 15:24
  Speaker 8: and his remains were found in two separate locations, and
• 15:27
  Speaker 8: so lots. You know that that story is a lot
• 15:32
  Speaker 8: of twists and turns. In that one, you think you
• 15:34
  Speaker 8: know what's happening, and then it's a you're not expecting,
• 15:39
  Speaker 8: what's what's about to happen?
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  Speaker 3: Real characters. Yeah, my daughter and I listened over the
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: course of the last twenty four hours and we enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 3: It was a good episode.
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  Speaker 1: Good Yeah, thank you Phil. Corrections, corrections, corrections, the winner
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  Speaker 1: correction this week. Win a Moultrie Edge three Pro trail
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  Speaker 1: camera plus. And here's the important part. M plus a
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  Speaker 1: one year subscription. That's what matters. Man.
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  Speaker 3: I got mine recently. I didn't even know I could
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: do this. I need to get better at knowing my products.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: I got mine rigged up now than the ones that
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: I have, the new ones where it only takes a
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  Speaker 3: picture of a deer or a turkey.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Have you turned off have you turned off squares yet?
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  Speaker 1: That's interesting?
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah?
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  Speaker 6: If the other one trespassers walking.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Around, if a chup of copper comes by, what if
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: a bigfoot comes by? That's why I don't I like
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: the feature in theory, but in practice, do you really
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: wanted to tell your camera you get something earth shattering?
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: If there's a setting like like deer turkey or something crazy,
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  Speaker 1: you cans one of.
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  Speaker 6: The coolest things you're like an alligator walk.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, or like a chuop of cobber with an alligator.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, Yeah, I guess I'm taking a chance.
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  Speaker 1: And this yeah, that's so.
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  Speaker 3: That is that then?
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  Speaker 1: And how you can turn off squares there's a grid
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: and if there's like areas that are always giving you
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: false trips, like if you got like birds fly by
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: and trip, you can be like, well, I'm gonna shut
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: those squares off, But what if a choop of coabra
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: comes through those squares, flying.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: On the cont steam walking like a naked old man
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: walked by? Now Yanni doesn't have to subject himself to
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: seeing that.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: But what there might be some things you don't want
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: to see you won't be able to unsee.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: So the winner of the winner of this week's trip
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: correction of the week will can sort through these conundrums
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: on the camera. Whether or not you want to get
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: specific with integrated AI technology or whether you want to
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: just see every crazy naked old man and chewp of
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: cobra out there. It's up to you, Okay, this is
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: one of those ones. We we got a lot of
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: crrections on the subject of the Tsavo man eaters, these
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: two lions that kept eating a bunch of people, so
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: many people in fact, that they shut down construction of
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: a railroad. We looked at a great painting where the
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: lions are eating the dude's foot. That was great painting,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: and a lot of people wrote in they think that
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: the lions, I said, one hundred and forty people.
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: Well, that's what was in the book, the original book.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: It seems like the lions probably eate closer than forty people.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Closer to forty people. There's a couple of little interesting
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: and again a correction can be like missing information. A
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: couple interesting tidbits. When render pest came through Africa and
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: started killing like almost wiped out Kate buffalo, right, So
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: this is also during the render pest epidemic, when prey
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: species were in massive decline.
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: You explain render past real quick.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: You should.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I know it's a cattle disease that did a bunch
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: of did a bunch of animals in Africa caught when
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: it came in on cattle, But no, I can't have
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: the s can't go on forever.
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: That detail, Like, I think people would have not understood
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: what was going on.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: A disease came in on cattle and wiped out tons
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: of African wildlife, including was the was devastating for Kate buffalo.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: So these lions were potentially low on food because of
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: the render pest epidemic killing all the wildlife. They probably
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: had some dental injuries, that's supposed. And here's the other
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: thing is that while they were working on the railroad,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: and also just because of cultural practices, there were more
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: human corpses out on the landscape in those days than
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: there are today, So a lion could get a taste
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: for eating folks just from that. It'd be like if
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: we you don't buy that.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: No, then why wouldn't they just look for corpses. They
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: wouldn't be like, oh, I'm gonna go get like a
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: live human. I'm just not buying.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Like sure, all right, bro, he's not buying that part
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: either way. That's a correction, the meat of the correction
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: being forty not one forty. That's fair.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: And they I read some of the studies that he
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: sent and they basically are looking because they have the
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: remains of these lions, they're looking at their hair and
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: bone collagen, and they can look at sort of the
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: chemical signatures of their diet and they show like you
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: could see, like month by month, how how much more
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: of their diet was humans. Oh really yeah, it's one
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: of the lions said, like in the final months of
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: eighteen ninety eight, one of the lions peaked at roughly
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: thirty percent of its diet as humans.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Ye uh okay. I brought up that hunters. I was
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: saying that fireron enthusiasts shooters could start a class action
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: lawsuit and sue the government for making suppress is hard
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: to get, and the class action lawsuit would be that
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: the government made us all go deaf. I was just
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: trying this out. I wasn't like, you know what I mean.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: I wasn't I hadn't taken steps to initiate this class
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: action lawsuit, but I was amusing about the class action lawsuit.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: An attorney wrote in and he basically is saying, good
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: luck with that. Hearing protection is widely available. The possibility
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: of hearing loss is widely documented. You don't have to
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: go shoot your gun. It's kind of your problem. He
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: thinks that this class action lawsuit is doomed to fail.
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: Interesting conversation we had earlier in regards to this one
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: of our employees who is in the military. There was
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: a company that provided hearing protection to everyone. They all,
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: and this guy said, they all still ended up with
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: hearing damage despite having hearing protection.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: So and there was some liability on the part of
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: the manufacturer.
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: Despite the fact that hearing protection is widely available, that
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: doesn't necessarily mean it's going to prevent hearing loss.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: He says. The actual cause of the hearing loss is
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: that we made decisions to fire guns without wearing readily
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: available hearing protection. Since hearing protection is readily available at
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: nearly every sportsman shop, each of us had ample opportunity
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: to prevent hearing loss. I'm not writing this because I
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: oppose the idea. I'm writing this with institutional knowledge of
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: the legal world and would hate to see someone waste
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: their money or time exploring such a farce. I think
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: it's mean.
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: Your case is a farce.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: If you decide to pursue this, Steve, you'll have a
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: lot of backers. I don't know if this crossed your desk,
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: but you talking about this when viral on TikTok got
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: half a million views, twenty thousand likes. Oh so people
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: are like that, that's Steve Vanella. We could win this thing.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I do a lot of social media.
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: This guy's got a great lawyer name though Squire. Yeah,
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: Dylan Esquire.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Alright, our next correction comes for me. He writes in
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I'm a ballistian who specializes in small caliber internal ballistics.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: It's a fascinating field.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Are you just gonna seriously just breeze past he's a ballistician.
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: Because that's cool.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: I didn't know.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: No, it's great.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: No, that's why I'm reading this. That's why I'm reading
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: his introduction words.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: I'm a ballistician.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like you want to talk about bona fides, and
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: I like his specialty in small caliber internal ballistics.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: The hell's he?
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, internal ballistics is from the ignition to the muzzle,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: which is fascinating.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: He says, it's all the truth. You think you think
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: he's lying.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: He says it's a fascinating field, which is in general
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: poorly understood by most gun owners.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: His name's Geoff. Yeah. I like this guy.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: He in that episode when we're discussing suppressors, I sort
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: of off handedly at the end made a very dry
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: joke that there's someone out there working on quiet gunpowder,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: and so he wrote in to say that that's impossible.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: He says, the noise generated by a gunshot comes from
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: two things, the rapid expansion of gases and the supersonic
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: crack of the projectiles that breaks the sound barrier.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: There.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: It really isn't a way to make an inherently quieter
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: chemical propellant, as it's the gas expansion and subsequent release
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: of pressure that makes the noise. It's essentially a very
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: high pressure version of popping a balloon. And then he
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: goes on. He goes on to say that even air
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: guns are allowed. When you get up to the larger
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: air rifles, the most powerful air guns can do about
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: six thousand psi at the chamber. Your average sixty five
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: creed more has a chamber pressure of ten times that
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: and two to three times that at the muzzle, depending
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: on powder charge, bulletweight, and barrel length. The only way
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: to mitigate this is to use the suppressor to slow
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: down gas expansion. Now you're just letting go of the
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: balloon instead of popping it, which is a great, great
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: illustration Aside from that, make sure you're using ammunition thin
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: gets full powder burned before the bullet exits the tubes.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Short barrels, especially on ars, are notorious for being many
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: flash bangs as the last of the powder charge is
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: burned externally. It really doesn't make it quieter, but it
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: does cut down on how concussive the shot is. And
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: micro TBIs are cumulative. So what's a TBI traumatic brain injury?
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, there is the study.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: There is a story in the Times, like a couple
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: months ago about how how much brain damage just done
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: like shooting pistols indoors And it was I mean I
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: don't remember.
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: It was a concussion.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just like micro concussions hitting you all the time.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: See, I don't do that that wants to I was smart.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: It seems like this guy's telling you you made a
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: really bad joke.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I know.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I rewatched it to make sure that I you did.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: The delivery was randall sense it.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just like I was like, how bad was
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: my delivery that that wasn't understood as a joke. But nonetheless,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: I'm glad this guy wrote in because I like his
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: like his style.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm voting for him because I like it that
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: he's a ballistician.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: Yes, I like that he's an old man who still
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: puts two spaces between period and capitalized.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: That's great. I'm glad.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I always appreciate seeing that.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: You know, you vote for reason.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying I like that this person learned to
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: type on a type.
• 26:53
  Speaker 9: I'm not voting him for that reason.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, OKAYR vote the vote Savo man eaters three votes.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Class action lawsuit not Gonna work is one of zero votes,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: zero votes, Randall being dumb.
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: Clear winner.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Ye.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: At first when I read because his subject lind his
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: low volume powder, and I was like, man, this is
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: gonna be really interesting. I thought he was talking about
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: like the volume of powder in a case, and then
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: I realized it was about my bad joke.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, enjoy your camera and your subscription multi camera and subscription,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: A couple of.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Listener emails, guy wrote in that his wife makes him
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: go to Greek or see. This is terrible. I'm gonna
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: read it anyways. He's Roman Catholic and he says when
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: I when we go to my church, you know, church
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: service is forty five.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Minutes he's home for kickoff.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: He says his wife is Greek Orthodox, and he says
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: they get a little carried away. He's been listening to
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: the podcast in there because he's got these new hearing
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: aids that bluetooth in, so no one knows what he's doing.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: They don't even know that. They don't think he's listening
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: to anything. He's piping in on his hearing aids.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Hero.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: But he says, now and then he's in there smirking.
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: You can't say this guy's name, or his wife's gonna
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: find no.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: No, no, He told his wife that might have given
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: don't say his name because then the preacher might.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Get Yeah, he confessed to his wife. Since it was obvious,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: I had no painful expressions on my face. It was
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: smiling from the time. We don't want to church.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: No, no two hour service, two hour service to that church.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: He felt like he needed to have more painful expressions.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: That's what he's saying.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, No, they didn't have the usual scowl.
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: Being worse of it as a two hour service with
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: a gobbler right outside the church.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: And then you couldn't hunt in Mississippi because I be
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: against the law as covered on the news show. Another
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: guy wrote it and just make real quick. He used
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: to be struggle with do with his remains. I've talked
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: about that. I would like my remains hauled out in
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: the mountains where they could be eaten by a bear.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: He had an idea, which is very interesting because the
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: problem my idea is then you got us task your
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: family members with like like carrying your carcass.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Around and then probably becoming a future episode of blood trails.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: His idea, you just get cremated and then mix it
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: in and put it at a black bear bait station,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: so that way you can be eaten by bears very conveniently. Yeah.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: I wonder if you went the green burial route and
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: you went through that paperwork or whatever, and then instead
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: of doing the burial, you just ended up at the
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: bait station kind of hole like you want to be
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: like if that would pass.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: But if you did that and then a dude killed
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: a bear at that eight station and then he learned
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: he ate you, he's gonna be not happy.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's okay.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Whatever they have.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: They have little trees you can buy where you add
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: like the compost to it. It's supposed to be cremated remains,
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: so then you're like growing that tree, and then someone
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: could put a tree stand in it. Someday it's an option.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Lost things do with your body. I talked.
• 30:22
  Speaker 8: I talked to a guy up in Maine, canine handler
• 30:26
  Speaker 8: for Search and rescue.
• 30:28
  Speaker 9: He told me that their dogs can smell.
• 30:33
  Speaker 8: They they smelled some like bear scat or coyote scat,
• 30:37
  Speaker 8: and they signaled on it because they could smell the
• 30:40
  Speaker 8: human that they'd eaten. So it had gone through the
• 30:44
  Speaker 8: digestive tract and the dogs could still smell it in
• 30:47
  Speaker 8: that scat, which I thought was pretty Is that covered
• 30:49
  Speaker 8: in Blood Trails episode two?
• 30:51
  Speaker 9: Coming out?
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: This cools gracious guys, pro there you go, oh.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Man, but you know what you guys are commenting on
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: how good his idea is. He has a question at
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: the end of his email. His question is that he.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Knows the idea.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: He knows that there's going to be other critters coming
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: in there to eat his remains, like raccoons, and he
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: doesn't like raccoons for some reason, and so he wants
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: to know how to keep raccoons and other pests away
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: from the bear bane, only let the bears eat it.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: Hanging that stuff up where, hanging in a way that.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: You can't I say, you shouldn't be against the raccoons
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: the critters too. Let them eat some of you and
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: spread you around the woods a little bit. You know, like,
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: what's the problem with the coons?
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Just give it or give it to Clay and have
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Clay put it and you'll have eight bears eating it.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But what happens if the raccoons really get after
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: it and you're like clean it out. You're like, oh,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: what was the deal with so and so. He's like, oh,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: well his final wish was to be eaten by bear raccoons.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: And then you're like, well he was mostly eating by raccoons,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: but one bear did come in. You know, take some
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: of the romance out of it.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: If you go a thin like you get your body
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: back and you put it the ashes at a low
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: ratio or ground up, howve you do it? If you
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: can get it ground up and mix it in a
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: lot and just make sure you got a lot of bait,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: everything's gonna partake. You're gonna have ravens flying around with
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: you in them, crows flying around.
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: To be romantic if you're just going everywhere.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're all your naso predators, big Yeah, it's great.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Etiquick Yeah, and etiquette, etiquette, thank you.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: Okay, turkey hunting, I exclusively hunt public land in Virginia.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: Uh and a lot on the national forest. A lot
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: of the national forest out here butt right up against
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: private owned by people. Build little hunting cabins last spring,
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: or find a great spot that butted up against private.
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: There's clearly mark public access. I'm not on anyone else's land.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: It's right off the main road. Went into hunt it
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: opening morning, got there really early, not long before gobbling time.
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: Another truck pulled in, so they must have still been
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: like out getting ready in the parking lot or whatever.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: It was an old timer. He was friendly, but said
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: he owned the adjacent private land and he parks his
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: truck there during the season to deter other hunters from Sure. Yeah, yes,
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: his friend picks them up and takes them creative.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Just just to help people connect the dots here. He's
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: creating the appearance that someone's already there.
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: This is not something that I've never heard of before.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: This old man invent this.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: I'm sure someone in this room has done this.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, maybe.
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: He has to exchange numbers and said would love to
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: know if you get one. I hunted it anyways that
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: day and killed a nice gobbler. Now, after him telling
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: me he's trying to keep people out of there, I
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: wasn't really keen.
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: On letting him know that I got one. A year later,
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: the day before opening day this year, after having not
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: heard from this guy in over a year, wouldn't know
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: him from Adam.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: He texts me asking where I'm going in the mornings,
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: not as though he'd like to tag along, but just
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: wants to know where I'm going. I know I'm not
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: entitled to let him know that I'm hunting the land
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: adjacent to his. I get sharing info, so we're both
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: not pulling up to hunt the same spot. But like
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: he's not buying that that's where this guy's going with it.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: He's just like trying to keep tabs on this guy.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: I don't appreciate another hunter trying to keep track of
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: where I'm going. I don't really trust him either, since
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: he's trying to keep people out of public land. I'm
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: kind of at a loss what to do. Should I
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: just not respond? Should I tell him to go kick rocks?
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: Should I just tell him the general area I'm going to.
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: I would not respond, Eh, well, maybe you should respond,
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: because you never know when you might need to get
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: on that guy's land to like retrieve a bird, or
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: who knows, you could get in a pickle and need
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: his help or something.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I just text him two days later and say sorry,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: didn't see this, got one, got one, and then send
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: him a smiling picture of you in a different place.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: It's a tough one, tough one.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: I can't not tough. There's so many right answers. It
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: really comes down to how he's perceiving.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: The saying, like how to be I'm not saying how
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: to be friendly, I'm saying how would you hand like
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: like would you share with him? You know, would you
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: share with him to say, you know, I'm not sure
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: where I'm going to be hunting. I've been thinking though,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: that the move of trying to create the feeling that
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: someone else is there doesn't sit well with me, right yes,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: which is like that's the thing that you need to say.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: That's the rug.
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: The thing is is if you go like agro on
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: the guy, he's probably gonna come back you agro and
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: like seize your truck park there, and then he's got
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: a prop you know what I mean.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, I wasn't gonna suggest you go, And I would
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: say use it to your advantage and just become buddies
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: with him and be like, oh, because you're doing this
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: and I'm in on it, Like I sort of well,
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm I'm in on the thing.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: But you say, hey, I'm hunting back in our little spot.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: What can we do to make sure no one else does.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: In that spot?
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Again, that's what you do.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying that there's options, you know.
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: But like the detail about this guy using a vehicle
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: to keep people out of a spot.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Is but he's not keeping them out. No, it's subterfuge.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: It's subterfuge.
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: It's trying to persuade them not to go in there
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: for sure.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: And I mean I've hunted spots like that, and when
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: there's a truck already there, you're not gonna stop. You're
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: gonna go to the next pole. Off.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: There's a there's a there's a mindset like for instance,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: you know, I I have friends in Alaska that advocate
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: on having a very brightly colored tent. They like a
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: bright colored tent. Why they don't want to be hidden.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: They want people to be like, ah, damn it. Yeah,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: there's dudes down there hunting.
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: From the air, you can see, you can see.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So if they said, well, what I do is
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I set brightly colored tents all over the place, they
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: be like is it? Is it wrong?
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: Or is it just a you know, a dick move?
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or just a move? A move like its parking.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: He's not if he was putting up a sign that
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: says no trespassing, that's flat out immoral. That's immoral and illegal.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Parking a car to create the illusion of pressure. I don't.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know that it's immoral. It's just like a
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: it's a little move, it's a move. I don't think
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: it's immoral.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: I think it is.
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: I think there's a there's a there's a.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Spencer.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not saying I like it. I just
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: don't think it's he's.
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: Going through a lot. He's having his buddy pick him up,
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: like he's going through some steps.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: What do you think, Spencer. I wouldn't text this guy,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: uh specifics like is the neighbor being immoral?
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: It wouldn't bother me that much. It's just like a
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: little game he's playing and he thinks it's gonna, you know,
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: give him a ten percent chance more of killing something.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: I'm okay with it, but he's not.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, correct me if I'm wrong. But he's not
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: hunting that area. He's just trying to keep people.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Away from the hunting the area.
• 38:44
  Speaker 9: Wouldn't it's because he's not hunting the area.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: That's why it's if he was hunting, what's he supposed
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: to do in his car? If he's hunting the area,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: he's trying to create a bub between.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: I understand that, but like, like what Spencer's saying, is
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: this guy's doing, Like, what's the purpose of this guy's game.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: It's not to improve his odds, it's just to keep yes, because.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: He has the private land right there.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: That day, he didn't hunt it. Yeah, we don't know
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: what happens the rest of this season. Maybe he's got
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: family coming in a week and he wants to hunt
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: those birds to live behind his place.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: I do think it's immoral immoral, I'll put if we're
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: if we're judging it on moral or immoral, I would
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: say immoral.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: What if I hung a sign up? Said the turkeys
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: here are all dead.
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: I'd be running in there.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I just don't like that.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: I don't like messing with other people's hunts.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Like I do my business, you do your business, and
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: we accommodate one another as best we can. I don't
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: like messing with somebody else.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: OK. Good, that's good moral clarity.
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: Thanks.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: That was waffling.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but are you then going to call him out
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: on it? Because you're not going to quit hunt that spot.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: I'm probably not going to call him out.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: On it, but because you're then just going to go
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: enjoy the fruit of his.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: I have nothing to do with it. You do respond
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: to it if he asked me what I think about it.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: I don't want to get into a confrontation with someone
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: that I don't like. I'd just be like, this is
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: kind of a dick move whatever, you know.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: And then when he texts you like, hey, buddy, where
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: you hunt and you just don't reply.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Probably not, I don't know.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I just.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Like that's weird to me.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: I just people just need to leave one another alone.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Just less people, please, you know.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: I just want to go turkey hunting. I just want
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: to go bear hunting, and like Brodie's in the same trailhead,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: we can just say I'm gonna go this way, you
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: go that way, whatever I don't know, and be like, no,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: I'm just leaving all the games and subterfusion everything. It
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: just bothers me.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Real strong moral clarity.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know so much in my worldview as relativists
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: that it's fun to just dig in my sometimes A.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Hot tip on recovering lost arrows.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: We talked about this at least twice already, about arrows
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: being lost at public archery ranges and what you should
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: do when you find them, or how to find them
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: or how to get your arrows back. Well, this fellow
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: wrote in thanks to Tyler. He said, what he does
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: is he writes his name and a phone number on
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: his fletching, so when someone finds it they can just
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: dial him up and then keep it easy instead of
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: having to meet up somewhere. He just says, hey, stash it,
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: and so and so spot at the range and I'll
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: grab it next time.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: So this is happening in him all the time.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Often enough.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: I guess we got to put that one to rest.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: That's good. It was about lost arrows in my yard.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: I'd be more interested.
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but that's a simple, like great solution to a problem.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: We have not tip off on media to radio over
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: the guy I said, he puts a small reflective tape
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: in front of his veins and then he bought like
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: a twelve dollars UV flashlight from Amazon. And you can
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: see that thing from fifty yards away if you're pointing
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: the flashlight in the right direction.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: That's where this all started. Yeah, that's good, Randall, All right,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: I guess I'll put on my moral hat again. Yeah,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: I mean this is big news. Last week, Republicans in
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: the Senate voted to essentially kill the twenty year moratorium
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: on this mine upstream of the Boundary Waters. Potential mine
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: upstream of the Boundary Waters. It's basically bent over backwards
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: to let a Chilean billionaire take minerals out of the
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: ground and send them to be processed in China, so.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Then when they ship them back as products, they could
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: be married tariffs. Yeah. Yeah, and this is our old
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: stuff coming back.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: So seventy percent of Minnesota's opposed to mind. Ninety eight
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: percent of the six hundred and seventy five thousand public
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: comments were opposed to it. Dozens of hunting and fishing
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: organizations were opposed to it. And then the way that
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: they did this too, like there's a bunch of stuff
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: you can get into here. The way that they did
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: this was using the Congressional Review Act, which is a
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: law it was passed in ninety six that lets Congress
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: sort of override or cancel regulations put in place by
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: federal agencies and they're supposed to do it within sixty days.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: And it had not been used very much, I think
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: the first twenty years of its existence. It was used once.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Then it was used. There were five of them during
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Obama zero's successful uses because he vetoed them, and then
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Biden used it three times. But of the forty two
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: times this has been used, thirty eight of them have
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: been under Trump. So it's it's not just a change
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: in like policy.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Ever.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty eight out of the forty two have been
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: have been so it's a change.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be some lawyer will be like, hey, you
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: know what we could try, right, and they have some
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: luck with it.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: And the thing about it is that you can't put
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: the genie back in the bottle because once you use
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: this act, they can never make a rule. That's the
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: agency can never come back and make a similar rule.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: So it sort of does it forever, Like it just
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: overturns the decision forever. The mind's not a done deal,
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: like they still have to do permitting, and permitting could
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: be a bear that could like kill it. But I mean,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: essentially the way this worked was, this is a Chilean
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: mining company. In nineteen sixty six, they got mineral rights
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: for this area. Their lease expired, they renewed it, expired again,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: they renewed it again, and then under Obama it expired.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: And at that point they basically said, you don't have
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: a right to automatically renew this lease. We need to
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: reevaluate the merits and risks of having this lease in place,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: and so they put a two year moratorium in place
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: so that they could do a study. Once Obama goes
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: out of office, the billionaire guy in Chile, he basically
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: kicks this right off. He and one of the weird
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: things about this is in December of twenty sixteen, to write,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: after the election, he buys a six million dollar house
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: in DC and rents it to Evanka Trump and Jared Kushner.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: It never goes on the market as a rental.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: He just buys it.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: They see it before the property's even closed, and they
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: move in.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: And they live there through twenty twenty two. I think
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: it was a while.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And then he like this guy has also
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: met He's met Trump before at a Patriots game because
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: they're buddies with Craft and Brady. But within weeks of
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: the administration coming in, he starts, he starts communicating directly
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: with Zinke and his staff. So all of a sudden,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Zinke announces that the FEDS like the decision that we
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: had to we could reevaluate. This was bad, and he says,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: actually we have to automatically renew the lease. So just
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: like a pivot, sort of based on some strange legal technicality.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: So they reissue the lease. Zinkey says that it deserves
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: further study, and then reissued the lease the next day. Meanwhile,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: the Forest Service under Sonny Purdue kills the study, even
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: though he told Congress they would do the study. Long
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: story short, Biden comes in, he cancels the lease, and
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: they put in place this twenty they finished the study
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: and put in place a twenty year moratorium on mining.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Trump comes back in Zink's now in Congress, and zinc
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: The guy who took over for Zincy at Interior, David Bernhardt,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: who's Trump's other Secretary of the Interior in his first term.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: He is now working as a lobbyist for the Chilean
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: mining company, and so zinc.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: At quite a nice little chunk of change. Yeah, I heard, yeah,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I've heard.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: I heard from one source like one hundred thousand dollars
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: a month. I couldn't find documented proof of that. I
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: saw some other reports that were like a couple hundred
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: thousand a quarter, but I heard.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard similar amounts. To try to push this
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: thing through just real quick. Some people understand all the
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: time when we say, ah mine people are familiar with
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: the Boundy Waters Wilderness area. This is this is a
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: mind that's going in upstream of that in Superior National Forest.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Superior National Forest, interestingly, was put in place by Theodore
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Roosevelt I think nineteen oh nine. What they do is
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: there you're pulling a bunch of rock up out of
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: the ground that once it oxidizes, it produces an acid.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: And I mean like like you know, millions of like
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: millions of tons.
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm like, I'll point out that the fact that,
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: like you're hearing a lot of people say, but the
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: mind's not in the boundary waters, it's important that it's
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: upstream or will be because this type of mind, there's
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: never been an example of this type of mind not
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: resulting in in this pollution.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Antifagasta is the Chilean company they just had in in
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: January of this year. They have a copper sulfide mine
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: in Chile that was they just received a bunch of
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: fines for violating water quality of standards and monitoring. And yeah,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: it just seems like a bad actor that had some
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: friends in the White House and they pushed it through.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Like I've also heard there were a bunch of senators
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: that were opposed to killing the moratorium and they kind
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: of got phone calls from the White House And yeah,
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: basically Zinki whipped it up in the House and pushed
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: it through, and Bernhardt's been lobbying for it, and now
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: the moratorium can't come back because they did it in
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: this way. So for like a system in which we
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: should have say in the management of our public lands,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: and you would hope that people can weigh in and
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: make a difference in how their own public lands are managed.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: It's kind of just a big slap in the face.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Another interesting part of it is if you go back
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: to last June when we were fighting the public land
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: sell off. After that fight, the story sort of came
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: out about this like grand coalition, and every time there's
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: a big public lands fight, like when it happened under
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Jason chaf it's when it happened under Mike Lee. So
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Jace Chafis was like twenty seventeen or something like that
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: last June. Both times it was like this proposal sell
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: three million acres of public lands in the West. And
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: the story afterward comes out and it's like this coalition
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: of sportsmen's groups and this like unusual mix of these
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: like traditionally right wing and traditionally left wing voices come
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: together in support of whatever in this case. I mean,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: in this case, these sort of like Hunter Angler, you know,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: the Hunter Angler like right leaning block couldn't deliver the goods.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, this thing went on party lines, dude, Like,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: like all all these Hunter Angler based conservation organizations of
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: which I'm a board a board member of one could
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: not turn Republican votes. Yeah, they're just like like we're
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: going what we're going with what the boss tells us
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: on this one. And it was also like it was
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: looking at times the vote looked good, the White House
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: got involved in the vote, and then people chicken shit
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: it out and people that talked about people that talked
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: to there's even people. There's people that expressed knowing that
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: they were voting wrong. They expressed that they were voting
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: wrong but had to with that kind of stuff. Like
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: it's just like that kind of stuff's infuriat.
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: And you can feel it in some of the statements
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: afterwards that some of these politicians made. They were almost
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: like apologetic about, you know, their justification for how they voted, well.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: The justification for how they voted. Someone told them what
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I will say, like I've seen I've seen
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: a lot of comments out there, like some from our
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: audience taking shots at like the like you know a
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: lot of times and debates like this to hear people
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: say this isn't a partisan issue, right, like, like this
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: is not a partisan issue. We just need to get
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: it on. And to say something is not a partisan
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: issue isn't to like say that both sides are the
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: same on this issue. It's to say it's to give
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: space and say, like, you can be a Republican and
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: do the right thing when it comes to this, right,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: like not in this case, Well yeah, I mean it's
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: not it's like an aspiration. But what I'm saying is, like,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: it's not it's not a judgment that like, this was
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: definitely a partisan vote, but like there are Republicans out there,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: or people who don't identify as Republican but they might
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: be conservative whatever. You can be opposed to this mind,
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: no matter what walk of life you're in, but like
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: your representatives aren't falling through on it, you know what
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: I'm saying.
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: Like, yeah, for the general population, it's not partisan, but
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: it certainly was partisan when the when it came to vote.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, So it's not like when you say somethings
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: when you say conservation is a non like should be
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: a non partisan issue. It's not exculpating.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Like shit like this.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: It's it's meant to say, like, people from both parties
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: can't agree on this, but whether or not they're elected
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: officials are going to do the right thing is something
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: entirely different.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: On the term in terms of saying stuff like that,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: I don't want to spend all day on this one.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: This is a major issue in terms of sayings like that.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: When people will say to me or they'll say whatever,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: they're big, Well, I don't want to get political. I
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: don't want to be political. But it's like everything is political.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: The fact that Superior National Forest is there in the
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: first place. How is Superior National Forest there because Theodore
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Roosevelt wrote it into existence? How did he have the
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: authority to write it into existence because he won the election?
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: The political one, like everything is political. Yeah, suppressors is political.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Jordan's gonna talk about Oklahoma releasing captive deer into the wild.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: I don't want to get political. It's political, right, We're
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: gonna talk about the Colorado Fairband political. It just it
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: just is people that want to stay away from politics. Like,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: I get the sentiment of what you're saying, but it's
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: not how things work.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I like, yeah, I guess, But yes,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: on a non when when you say when you say
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: like conservation, this isn't a partisan issue. It means that
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: people from both sides can agree on it, and it's
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: giving space for that.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: The great American outdoors.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: It's not like.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Giving Republicans a free pass on caw towing to the
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: White House and pushing this through even though they know
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: it's the wrong thing to do.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're right, there are non you know, there's
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: talk right now. It seems goofy, But like putting Theodore
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Roosevelt just got leaked the other day, putting Theodore Roosevelt
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: in the Football Hall of Fame. Have you seen? This
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: comes right on the heels of this boundary waters thing.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: So you're like basically shitting on the legacy of Theodore Roosevelt.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: And then like a day later it's leaked at like
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: we're gonna put them in the Football Hall of Fame,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: And you know he'd probably be like, yeah, if this
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: is a trade off, I'll go. I'll go the preserve
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: and the boundary waters from acid runoff. Please.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: So I guess the last thing to say is just
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: like there's still stuff you can do, like it like
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: when we take a loss like this, you still can
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: call up your representatives. You don't need an excuse to
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: call up your representatives and let them know.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: So if you if you're if you're how much good,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: that'll see how far, I'll get you on this one. Well, yeah,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of people did that, I know, but what
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: else are you going to do?
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: The State of Minnesota seems like they may have a
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: move left to like prevent this. There's also Canada will
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: be involved. Uh, they've said that they're going to resist this.
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: Also local tribes they have like some say in this
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: as well. And so there's a few players who can
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: maybe slow this down or stop it.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a done deal to move to it'll move,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: It'll move the next step. It was just a disappointing vote.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: It was a disappointing vote because so many people, so
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: many representatives on the in this specific case, so many
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: representatives on the Republican side signaled to conservation groups, signaled
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: that they wanted to do the right thing, and then
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: ultimately admitted that they couldn't, which is like, you know, like.
• 56:25
  Speaker 6: You said, chicken shits.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess as far as calling them though, what
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: I mean is like if somebody does the wrong thing
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: and then nobody.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Burdens their asked about it, you want listen buster, you
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: want those people a mighty disappointed.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: You want those people in the office to be like
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: shit like people are pissed off about this.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this vote.
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: This was an open book test, Like the answer was
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: so obvious that there shouldn't be mining here because the
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: public was so against it, the locals were against it.
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: The history that these minds have, like it was clear
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: that the answer is no, we don't allow this. And
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: so I think it's fair for our audience to, uh,
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: you know, look at these politicians in the future when
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: when mister politician campaigns on being an outdoorsman, a hunter
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: and angler, a conservationist, a public land advocate. Uh, it's
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: reasonable to be like, I don't think you get a
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: second chance on this. Like you you failed this open
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: book test so spectacularly that I don't believe you. And
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: the consequence of that is I'm not going to vote
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: for you because of your track record on like this
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: exact thing.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: I don't say if you.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Say, that's a good segment.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Randall's good segment, Randall, And great wrap up. Great wrap
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: up from Spencer new That's inspiring.
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: There should be consequences when they when they mess it
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: up that bad. That's it.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, man, I gotta talk. I'm gonna
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: I haven't I'm gonna I gotta speak in DC at
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: an event. At dinner, I'm gonna talk a little bit
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: about the boundary waters. Ok. Yeah, good, Jordan. So I
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: should be doing this segment because I just came from
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma yesterday. Oh yeah, I didn't see none of these
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: deer my neck of the was I didn't see none
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: of these deer run around.
• 58:15
  Speaker 9: Well there's only two so far.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:17
  Speaker 8: No, every time I talk about this, I have a
• 58:20
  Speaker 8: hard time believing it actually happened.
• 58:22
  Speaker 9: But sure enough it did so back in twenty twenty four.
• 58:28
  Speaker 8: So two years ago, the Oklahoma state legislature passed a
• 58:31
  Speaker 8: bill I mean, speaking of like bad votes. This bill
• 58:35
  Speaker 8: was passed almost unanimously in both the House and the Senate,
• 58:39
  Speaker 8: and it established what was called the Chronic Wasting Disease
• 58:43
  Speaker 8: Genetic Improvement Act. And the idea here is that we're
• 58:48
  Speaker 8: going to breed whitetail deer to be resistant to c WD.
• 58:53
  Speaker 8: So there's a biologist from Texas A and M named
• 58:57
  Speaker 8: Chris Seabury or sea Berry who basically discovered that if
• 59:04
  Speaker 8: if and I forget the exact like allele at whatever codon,
• 59:09
  Speaker 8: but if deer have this, they're resistant to CWD.
• 59:13
  Speaker 9: Now, they're not immune, so they can.
• 59:16
  Speaker 8: Still get called them durable, durable, right, so they can
• 59:19
  Speaker 8: still get it. And that's that's a really key thing.
• 59:21
  Speaker 9: To understand here. They're not immune from CWD, but they're
• 59:24
  Speaker 9: more durable.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: That's the fashionable word lately is durable.
• 59:27
  Speaker 8: Yeah, right, so so, and what kind of advocates of
• 59:31
  Speaker 8: this point too oftentimes is scrapey in sheep, which is
• 59:35
  Speaker 8: also a preon disease, and it was eliminated through this
• 59:40
  Speaker 8: kind of genetic breeding program.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 59:44
  Speaker 9: Obviously, you're really.
• 59:45
  Speaker 8: Not comparing apples to apples in that situation because sheep
• 59:49
  Speaker 8: are are livestock, right, they're in pens there, it's a
• 59:52
  Speaker 8: very controlled environment. The proposal here is to breed these
• 59:56
  Speaker 8: deer to be genetically durable to CWD, and then we're
• 59:59
  Speaker 8: going to rely lease them into the wild to improve
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 8: the genetics of the wild herd, which kind of sounds
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 8: like it might work, but it's never been tried anywhere.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 8: The other really crucial thing is that you can't the
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 8: deer aren't tested for CWD before they're released. We don't
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 8: know if these deer have the disease before they're release,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 8: and I've I've confirmed this with the head, the head
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 8: vet the head veterinarians.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's true. Yeah, they don't know.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 8: For Oklahoma, they don't know. They don't know, they weren't
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 8: tested and so and I'm I'm not one hundred percent
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 8: sure what it's like in Oklahoma. I can tell you
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 8: in Texas the deer breeders are like where seed like,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 8: if they're CWD in Texas, it's probably in those breeding facilities,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 8: so it's there. But these deer that are released, we
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 8: don't know if they have it. And so they passed
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 8: this bill in twenty twenty four, and I think, like
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 8: people weren't. I mean, maybe it's just me, but I
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 8: was like, again, they're not going to actually.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: Do this right.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 8: And the bill itself was it's very hard to understand
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 8: the bill as it was written because it allowed the
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 8: Department of Agriculture in Oklahoma to write the rules basically
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 8: the standard that they.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 9: Would use to release the deer.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 8: But then it also had another line in there that
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 8: said the Department of Wildlife Conservation, so the people kind
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 8: of supposed to be in charge of wildlife in the state,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 8: they have a some kind of permitting authority. It said
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 8: they can charge a one time permit fee. It didn't
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 8: say they could create rules, but if you're charging a
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 8: permit fee, then it's kind of implied you have the
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 8: authority to create the rules by which you get that permit.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 9: But it was all very unclear. Thaust forward two years.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 8: In the original bill, it said the deer would be
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 8: released between February and April of this year. The Wildlife
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 8: Agency hadn't crafted any kind of permitting requirements or any
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 8: kind of rules. They had started a survey to survey
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 8: the genetics of the wild population. They hadn't completed that yet.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 8: But then we kind of got news about a month
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 8: ago that one of these deer had actually been released.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 8: The agg Department approved the release of one of these deer.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 8: So this is again a pen raise. Deer that hasn't
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 8: been tested for CWD is now being released onto a
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 8: low fence property where it can go kind of wherever
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 8: it wants to.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: Go, and the public does not know where.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 8: I got a county. I can tell you it's wagon
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 8: or county. I think that's how you say it was
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 8: one of the deer. I don't know where the second
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 8: deer was released. And like from the breeder's perspective, this
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 8: is great because now our potential pool of customers is everyone, right,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 8: any landowner in the state. It used to be you
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 8: could only sell a deer to a high fence operation,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 8: which you know there are lots of those in Oklahoma,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 8: not that many. Now any landowner can buy a deer.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 8: Why you would want to, It's sort of beyond me.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: Because you can buy like you could buy one of
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: their their crazy big bucks, right, but one of their
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: phony big bucks and then cut it loose on your
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: place and act like you're doing it to help c WD. Well, yeah,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: there's seven hundred and fifty thousand deer in Oklahoma, right,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: these two deer, Like, you know, I'll be the first
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: two men. I'm no mathematician. Well I'm a statistician. But
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: they've cut two of these deer loose into a state
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: was seven hundred and fifty thousand deer, and they're like,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: this will help genetically with CWD. It's like, are you kidding?
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 6: We were taught.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: We talked to Heffelfinger about this a while back, and
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: he made that point like you're never gonna like spread
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: that gene effectively spread that gene through the entire population.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: But he also said, you don't know what else that
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: gene could be responsible for, Like, it could have all
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: kinds of negative effects too.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 8: So they the wild Commission held a hearing on this
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 8: where they invited some scientists to present. One of them
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 8: had put a model together of like how many deer
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 8: would we actually have to release in order to improve
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 8: the genetics of the state. It was like seventy five
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 8: thousand per year for ten years straight, basically just replacing
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 8: the entire population.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 9: And even then the.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 8: Genetic benefits you get start to degrade after you stop
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 8: releasing more deer. And this was also you know, according
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 8: to the scientists, in their model, they assume kind of
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 8: best case scenario, which is that captive deer will survive
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 8: and breed at the same rate as wild deer, which
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 8: I mean is kind of a big assumption, right.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: One of the craziest parts of this go on. Yeah,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you the crazy I'll tell you what I
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: feel is crazy. Yeah.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 8: So there's kind of a one more chapter to this
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 8: is that the kind of sponsors of this program in
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 8: the legislature were very frustrated with the Wildlife Agency for
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 8: not moving forward with the survey, were kind of dragging
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 8: their heels right, according to the sponsor. So this year
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 8: they proposed a new bill that would totally eliminate the
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 8: Wildlife Agency from this process, like there were they would
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 8: have no permitting role, they would they wouldn't be able
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 8: to charge a permitting fee, just totally remove them from
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 8: the process entirely. So so these deer, which you know,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 8: wildlife in the state, would be controlled by the Department
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 8: of Agriculture that bill. So so two years ago the
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 8: bill sailed through. This bill just failed in a Senate committee.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 8: It passed the House, went over to the Senate. It
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 8: failed in in a Senate committee on a nine to
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 8: three vote. And I was told that the kind of
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 8: the the public interest you might say in the program
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 8: two years ago had then trickled to now and senators
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 8: now are a little more hesitant to sign off on this.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 8: And so it's possible that there's appetite to kind of
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 8: get rid of the program entirely next year in a
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 8: bill because you.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: Can't find you can't find a wildlife org deer breeders.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: You can't find a wildlife org that thinks it's a
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: good idea. Now, I love that. Boone and Crockett and
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: Pope and young are saying, Oklahoma, dear, there's a possibility
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: of Oklahoma deer becoming ineligible for the books because they're
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: genetically modified.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 8: Yep, yep, and they could expand like like I live
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 8: in Texas neighbors Oklahoma that if they like cross the
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 8: border into Texas now Texas deer or not. Right, So
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 8: it's no one seems to really like this except for
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 8: the deer breeders and their allies.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: In the life. Well, one of the main okay, one
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: of the main I wanna choose my words carefully here,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: one of the primary, key, main, primary, most important key
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: individuals involved and this genetic this supposed genetic durability issue.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: Prior to that, work had been on the war path
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: against Texas's state agency about CWD because he felt that
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: he felt that they were imperiling his land values by
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: talking about CWD all the time. Okay, then lo and
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: behold down the road. The other interesting thing is this
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: is the biggest proponents from this When I look around
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: and get messages from friends and stuff, the biggest proponents
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: of this are the same people that have always said
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: it's a hoax. Cwd's a hoax, right, then, why do
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: we need a solution. You're like, it's a hoax, but
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: here's a solution. It's a hoax, but this will fix it. Right,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: It's like, Almett, is it a hoax? Or does this
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: fixes or is this self serving?
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: Well, if you got to release seventy five thousand deery annually,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: someone's going to make some money. Wow.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: But it's so funny, like it's like one minute it's
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: a hoax and it doesn't have any impact, and the
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: next minute the industry's like, but wait a minute, it
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: is a problem. And guess who's the solution can solve
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: It's me right right right? All these years you've blamed me,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: and now here I am with the fix.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 9: Right right.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 8: But a but you can you can kind of you
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 8: can kind of see why if you're not really paying
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 8: attention to this issue, you're not in this in the
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 8: weeds on this you're like, yeah, we breed, we like
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 8: we we breed for certain traits and animals, right, why
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 8: wouldn't this work? And so you can kind of see
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 8: why this program the state legislators were like, Okay, yeah,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 8: we'll give it a shot, might as well, but now
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 8: it sounds like they've been and you know, organizations, the
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 8: sportsman conservation organizations have been doing a lot of work
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 8: in that legislature to educate the representatives there, and it
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 8: seems to be kind of taking hold.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: I'm going to paraphrase something from the Conservation is Jim Poswitz.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: Jimpos He made this point. I think he might have
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: been on the show when he made this point, or
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: I was interviewing him or something. Either way, the late
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Jim Poswitz was saying, he's talking about the deer breeders,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: So I doe them trying to make giant megabucks and
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: all this stuff. The reason they're doing that is because
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: there is there's a societal belief in the symbolism of wildlife. Right,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: we have placed cultural value on deer, We've placed cultural
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: value on the landscape, on nature's ability to make this creature. Right,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: when one gets big, it's celebrated. But it's like a
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: cultural value around wild places and wildlife and nature. And
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: they and they kind of they've kind of looked at
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: this and they're like, oh, got it, big antlers, you.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: Know what I mean.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: They're like they kind of missed the parts about wildlife. Yeah,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: they missed the parts about mystery magic yeah, like like
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: the magic of a landscape producing these magnificent specimens. And
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh yeah, big old antlers. I could probably
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: do that better in my yard. But what makes those
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: big old antlers valuable is the fact that they have
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: cultural significance as wildlife. Meaning if they went and found
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: a way to make cows huge, Okay, if they're like
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: this cow's way bigger, people aren't going to say like, oh,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: at that point, I would like to pay you twenty
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars to shoot one of those cows. It would
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: be well, no, because that's livestock. I'm not gonna pay
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: you to shoot that. Yeah. But they're like, no, but
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: this has the appearance of this thing that has cultural value.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: I will sell it to you because it's got big antlers.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: And is that what's really all about?
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: Right right?
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 8: Well, and that and that kind of takes me back
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 8: to these to the market for this, right, because there's
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 8: there's two sides. There's people who want to sell them,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 8: but then they need a market and and I just
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 8: I still don't understand. Maybe if you have a giant
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 8: spread thousands of acres, you might be interested in this,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 8: But if you have like two hundred acres of low
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 8: fence property, Like, why would you want to buy what
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 8: it's gonna leave?
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: People will do it. It's it's it's gonna be the
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: next smart about statistics. I don't know why do they buy?
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: Why does my wife buy scratch offs at the gas station?
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: She's an addict because she just has an undying faith
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: in magic out and no amount of like, no amount
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: of logic is gonna dissuade her from buying scratch offs
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: with the kids.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: Well, maybe she does it for the entertainment value.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that people will be entertained by,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: like they'll buy some deer and turn. I don't know,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: Becau's just like nature isn't gonna be good enough.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 6: You know who won't buy. I'm a cw D deniers
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 6: because they don't give a shit anyway.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: No they will.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: Because when I heard about this, like first I was like, oh,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: that's that's not a good idea. But then shortly after that,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: I had a tingle of satisfaction that someone felt like
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: they were portraying or like pursuing a creative solution. CWD
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: feels like a thing that we're probably gonna have to
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: take a big swing at it, and like every tool
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: in the toolbox needs to be explored. Nothing's working right,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: And like I am satisfied to hear that someone is like, well,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: maybe this thing on a left field is the answer,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: and that other people did look into it and threw
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: cold water on it, you know, at some point. But
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: I'm happy that, like, there are things behind the scenes
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 4: that are, you know, beyond my awareness taking place trying
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: to solve CWD.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: Agree. I totally agree. It's like it's again. I've made
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: myself a thousand times on this show. I've made myself
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: clear that, like, much to the annoyance of certain friends
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: of mine, the main thing I remain worried about. The
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: main thing is that, and it's never happened. But what
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: scares me is the idea that there would be transmission
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: to a human being. That scares me. Yeah, right, that
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: this has nothing to do with that. This is not
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: addressing that. The other part is you have like I
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: can't help but look at where it's coming from. Yes,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: it's coming from the community that has told us all
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: along there is no problem. So why are you all
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: of a sudden interested in a solution. It's gotta be
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: that there's more to the story. You have cried from
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: every rooftop. It's a hoax. There's no problem, but now
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: you want to fix it. I don't buy it. Something
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: else is going on.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: That's a good way to end it, the whole thing.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, let's go down, Steve.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: You were in Wisconsin two weekends ago for the youth
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: turkey hunt. Weren't you.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: I was there two weeks ago for the youth turkey hunt.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you why. I go there Because I
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: love my friend Doug. Also, I would go there early
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: on because Wisconsin doesn't have an age restriction. I have
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: three kids are spread out, so I could go there
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: and mentor my for instance, my eight year old daughter
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: turkey hunting, where she would be literally sitting in my
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: lap as we turkey hunted, and then Doug could hunt
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: with one of my other kids, or we would team up,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: and it became a family tradition. I think we went
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: eight years. We've been there eight years in a row
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: for youth turkey season. It's a family tradition. My kids
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: have come to love Doug like a like a like
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: an uncle, like a brother.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: I thought you'd say, like a landowner.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: No, that's not a concept before.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: We moved on.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: It was something your kids kind of as far as
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: hunting turkeys, it was something they kind of graduated into.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, they all spent time, They all spent time. They
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: all had to spend time just going and hanging out
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: before I yeah said it was time, and I have
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: generally said it was time to like lap, sit on
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: my lap and turkey hunt when they're eight. That's my
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: not I don't want to call it arbitrary. That's a
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: number I've arrived where you felt comfortable. That's a number
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: I've arrived at.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: Well, that sets up this story here. Pat Dirkin wrote
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: about it the meteor dot Com. Uh that same weekend
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: Steve was there, there was an accident in Wisconsin where
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: a ment a thirty five year old, sorry, thirty five,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: thirty eight. I already already lost my numbers for him,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: thirty eight an adult, thirty.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: Something, thirty four, Well, thirty four, thirty four, thirty four.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: I think I think it's important to know his age.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: Thirty four year old was hunting with a three year
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: old mentoring a three year old that week, and they
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: supposedly aimed and shot a forty five year old that
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: was mentoring a nine year old with.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: A twelve gage a seven year old seven year old.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: Thanks, it's important to point out. Yeah, they had two
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: a mentor and the kid. A mentor and a kid
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: nine year old. I think we're just getting little ung
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: up on the details here. Yeah, the three year old matters.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 9: The three a three year old, that matters.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that matters big time. And the twelve gage.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: Shotgun shooting a twelve gage three years old shooting a
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: twelve gauge for mentored youth turkey season. Okay, let's yeah
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: the facts. Yeah, hit the facts.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: Youth turkey hunting weekend in Wisconsin. The three year old
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: is with a thirty four year old. They shoot two
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: other hunters that are out in the field together with
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: a twelve gage shotgun at thirty five yards. At thirty
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: five yards. Luckily no one is fatally hurt. I think
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: as if the writing of the article, the seven year
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: old kid was still in the hospital, but his mentor
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: was had been released. Actually, they're not releasing genders, so
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: we don't know any genders of these hunters, but the
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: people that had been shot, the mentor had been released.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: The kid was still in the hospital, but non fatal injuries.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: So that's really all we know. They're not releasing the lock.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: So obviously they're going to continue to investigate this situation because,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: as you might imagine, there's a lot of questions. I
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: have a lot of questions. My first thing when I
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: read it I was assigning this little book report here,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: was like, my god, how are you really going to
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: make a three year old hold in aim and fire
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: twelve gates?
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: That's why I smell fish?
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I smell it. I read that. I read the comments.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: Oh that's the only thing I consider.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 6: I read the.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: Comments on the on our web page, and do people
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: smell fish? Oh? Yeah, seventy five percent of them are
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: like that three year old didn't pull that trigger. The
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: mentor was just out with a three year old and
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, this is a way for me to
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: get another bird.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not buying it. This is like a level up
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: of watching. You're not buying it. That three year old
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: was wheeling the twelve gates.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 9: Now three yearld was probably shitting its pan.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 6: Do they wipe it taking well, I don't know.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: I mean they.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: Don't like get up fixed breakfast.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: They rarely have complete sentences. Yeah, we should have brought
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: a three year old in Hey. Hey, Just so you know,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: I tried to get one. I posted this morning Craigs
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: on the on the on the company slack under the
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: Bozeman channel. I asked, does anyone have a three year
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: old kid that could bring to the office to be
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: part of the new show episode of Round two thirty
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: it's now the team. They'd have to be on camera,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: but wouldn't be required to do much talking and saying Hi.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: I'd like to have them to show the audience the
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: size and stature of a three year old, to show co.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: A handle of three year olds.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: This has been helpful for me because when I read
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: the age of a child, it doesn't do much.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, they came out of them Giana three years prior.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: They're just not that big yet.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: No, I know, but I just I can't really call
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: to mind. A three year old was helpful. A three
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: year old helpful?
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: A three year old would, let me give you for instance,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: a three year old would walk into a lake and
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: ship your pants. Yes, you wouldn't even think you wouldn't
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: even like think much about it.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 6: The recoil of a twelve gage shot and would do
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 6: great bodily.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: Harm to a three year old.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it would, Jordan said, only some three year olds
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 8: like their butt. I want to amend that only some
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 8: three year olds sit like aren't in diapers, none of them.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: Scatological. If you have a three year old in your life,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: you are having not daily, but you are having multiple
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: times per week encounters with their feces.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: Get none of your context.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: It's like, that's what we're talking about. Like you get
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: to where you'd basically you're so used to it you
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: would eat it. According to CDC, Dad, am I wrong?
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't eat it, but I had it under my
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 6: fingernails plenty of tabs.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: According to the CDC, a typical three year old boy
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: in the United States of America weighs thirty one to
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: thirty three pounds.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: It's like a big turkey, old giant.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 6: Okay, we've established that.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: It's like a very very, very small things. I was
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: telling the story to my daughter, Aina, who I think
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: she was probably ten ish when this happened, but she
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: was still scared. She'd been shooting at twenty two a bunch,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: but she knew the four ten had some recoil. And
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: one day I was like, look, she'd shot at once,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: some tears had come. I'm like, no big deals, we'll
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: come back in a couple months. So time passes, we're
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: back there, and I said, this time, sit in my lap. Well,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: I made the mistake of like leaning against.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: Her back lid ifi her shoulder.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so her shoulder wasn't allowed to move back.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: And again just a little four ten and we were
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: just shooting a field load, not a turkey load. But
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: that was enough to like more tears and to like
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: put that away for another six months. So again, like
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: you can't imagine what a twelve gage turkey load would
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: do to a three year old.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: Here's another way of putting it. This hunt, this whole incident.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: They're so young, they will have no recollection. Ever, when
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: you think back to your first memories, your first memories
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: are like four or five, six, they will have no recollection.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: I'm all for this dude bringing that child out. Yeah,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: but I think after this incident, you would have to
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: just say, for the record, here I was, I was
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: wielding that shotgum should this is not a conversation about
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: mentor and I was just this should be a conversation
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: about right here at me and he was shooting at movement.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a detail that I found this person did
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 5: not have hunter safety. They had like a military exemption exemption, yeah, which,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 5: you know, sure it's something to think about.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: But now there's all this conversation should we change, like
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: will Wisconsin changed the law? Is it too early to go?
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, don't confuse this for a mentor hunt situation. Yeah,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: it's not a mentor hunt situation. That kid did not
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: identify that target and aim that gun and pull that trick.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: I think one of the best things that's happened in
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: the last whatever decade, maybe twenty years, however long it's
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 5: been going on, is that a lot of states have
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 5: gotten past this minimum age thing twelve fourteen.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: But I do see pictures of likes, you know, I
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: see pictures of some ages and I'm like, man, I
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: don't think they can even comprehending.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 6: Six year old shooting a two hundred inch white.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: Tail, Like, I don't know that they comprehend what they're doing.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: I even had questions, and now I don't. I would
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: never tell people what do like. It's like, I support
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: the idea that it's a family decision. I started my
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: kids hunting turkeys at eight years old. And I did
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: not think I waited too long. I worried that I
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: did it too early. I never felt that I waited
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: too long at eight. Yep. I think that's a good
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: never felt that I waited too long.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 5: That And the way it works here in Montana is
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 5: they can hunt deer at ten and I think that's
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 5: just about right.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: Yep. I've never I would never complain about the ten
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: year old law here. When I was growing up in
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: Michigan to hunt deer with a gun. When I was
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: a kid, no one paid attention to this rule. Everybody
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: broke it because it was so ridiculous. You had to
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: be fourteen.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I paid it.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: That's too late. That's too late.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: Three too early?
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 6: All right, paddlefish time.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna cut some stuff off the end.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll try.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: No, no man hit the paddle fish said, I want
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: to hear you know, Spencer, Spencer.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 5: There's been some sick puppies doing some sick ship on
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 5: the Lake of the Ozarks in Missouri. Multiple live paddlefish
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 5: have been discovered with you got the pictures.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 6: Up, Phil? Are we getting there? Multiples, multiple profane messages.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 6: I'll let you read them if you can make them out.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 10: This is these are the pictures that I was sent.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 10: This is how they were cropped. You can kind of
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 10: see what that one says.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 5: So f you f m d C, which is Missouri
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: Department of Conservation Conservation. I saw a picture of one
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 5: that had paddlefish have this long snout called a rostrum.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: I saw one that had been cut to kind of
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 5: look like those soft what do they call them?
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 6: Really like disgusting. I don't know if we've got.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: That picture now.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: Just here's someone at twenty twenty one into a paddlefish. Uh,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: they're cutting it in with a razor blade.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, some of them are found alive but mutilated.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 5: It's just like very sick examples of like animal cruelty.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 5: The local reaction, the regional reaction around Lake of the
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 5: Ozarks has obviously been pretty strong, with shock and outrage.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: Local tackle shop manager said he'd never seen anything like this.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 5: There's concerns that it could hurt tourism in the area.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 5: The investigation they they haven't found out anything yet, but
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 5: they're they're they're looking at this as intentional acts of
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 5: animal cruelty and vandalism against the species, possibly motivated by
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 5: grievances against state conservation rules.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: Well, if you're writing yeah, f you Missouri Department Conservation,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: I have a feeling that that's not possibly motivated by ANA.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: They're mad about the regulatory structu.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 6: Sure and maybe something about keeping paddlefish.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: Maybe, yeah, they're mad about the regulations row.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 5: You know, there might be there's been some plenty of
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 5: examples of these fish being poached for their row.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 6: But this is not This isn't that.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 5: Authorities say they're making some progress. Public's encouraged to report
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: tips and uh a coalition of over a dozen fishing
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 5: guide services in the area Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, they've all
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: pledged to chip and rewards that that are exceeding fifteen
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 5: thousand dollars right now leading to a conviction. With that
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  Speaker 5: kind of money, it's if someone saw something, someone's probably
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  Speaker 5: gonna going to report.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a win win, Like if you knew who
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  Speaker 1: was doing this one they got to quit. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: you can help them make them quit by turning them
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  Speaker 1: in and then you get fifteen k and scratch.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's gross and whenever something like this kind
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  Speaker 5: of thing. This is a little this is a pretty
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  Speaker 5: pretty strong example of it. But like I always worry,
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  Speaker 5: like when when a goose is like walking around a
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  Speaker 5: local lake with a like an arrow sticking out of it,
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  Speaker 5: Like it gets me worried about the perception of hunters
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  Speaker 5: and in this case, the perception like the general perception
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  Speaker 5: of fishermen. Like just a week ago, maybe they found
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  Speaker 5: a mule deer dough dead and round up Montana that
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: had been shot with a blowgun.
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  Speaker 6: A blow dart killed it.
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  Speaker 5: It's like that kind of thing. Like I think the
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  Speaker 5: worry is it's like all those hunters you know kind
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  Speaker 5: of thing, and it shouldn't we shouldn't have to defend
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  Speaker 5: ourselves against stuff like this.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's kind of grewesome photos man. Yeah. And the
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  Speaker 1: things you're talking about like a like a very long
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  Speaker 1: living fish. Yeah, and then you're also kind of like
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  Speaker 1: in some cases you're mortally wounding it. It's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: is getting all infected and dying?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gross.
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  Speaker 4: On that note, here's a segue. Spencer is a tattoo
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  Speaker 4: of a paddlefish. It's his favorite animal that.
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  Speaker 1: How do you know? How do I know that's a joke?
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  Speaker 1: Each year, there are a few consistent saying, Spencer.
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  Speaker 4: I was trying to tell you that this would be
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  Speaker 4: a segue for you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you're offering that.
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  Speaker 4: Here's how you on that note.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Spencer over there. His favorite animal is the paddlefish,
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  Speaker 1: and he has a paddlefish tattoos exactly by Dolly.
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  Speaker 6: Now.
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  Speaker 4: Each year, there are a few consistent meteor showers that
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: give you your best chance at seeing shooting stars. I
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: think the biggest one is in August. There's also another
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: notable one in November December. These generally occur about the
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  Speaker 4: same time each year as the Earth passes through an
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  Speaker 4: area that has a trail of dusty debris that was
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  Speaker 4: left by a comet or an asteroid. And that's happening
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  Speaker 4: right now as we sit here. One of these happening Tonight,
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  Speaker 4: Spooky April twenty one is the peak of the Lyrid's
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: meteor shower. This meteor shower, it's always in late April,
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  Speaker 4: roughly April seventeen to April twenty six, but tonight and
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  Speaker 4: tomorrow night April twenty second are the two best nights
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  Speaker 4: of the whole show. These shooting stars are best viewed
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  Speaker 4: from the northern hemisphere after moonset and before dawn, so
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: for much of the country, that means your best viewing
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  Speaker 4: hours are between midnight and six am. That doesn't mean
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  Speaker 4: that you won't see shooting stars at ten pm. You will,
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  Speaker 4: it just won't be quite as spectacular as that. Like
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  Speaker 4: midnight to six am window the Lyrids meteors, they don't
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  Speaker 4: tend to have a long train of light, but these
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  Speaker 4: are prone to creating bright flashes known as fireballs. Here's
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 4: some tips from NASA on good stargazing for this meteor shower.
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  Speaker 4: The first one's obvious. Just get away from light pollution.
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  Speaker 4: That means leaving the city or simply turning off your
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 4: porch light. Focus your eyes in the darkest part of
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  Speaker 4: the sky, and if the whole sky is dark and
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: you're able to be picky for this meteor shower, it's
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: best to cheat your eyes to the east rather than
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: the west, and NASA says it takes about thirty minutes
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  Speaker 4: for your eyes to fully adapt to the darkness, so
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: give yourself at least an hour to guarantee a glimpse.
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  Speaker 4: As I said earlier, the darker the sky, the better
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: the show. Tonight and tomorrow night we actually have a
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 4: waxing crescent moon, which means just a sliver of it
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: is illuminated. That's good news for stargazers as well. Humans
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: have been observing this for as long as you know
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: we've been on Earth. There are written accounts going back
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  Speaker 4: to six eighty seven BC, that's twenty seven hundred years
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  Speaker 4: ago about the Lyrids meteor shower. One Chinese writer he
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 4: said this on the fourth month of the summer of
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 4: year seven, at night, the sky is so bright that
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  Speaker 4: some fixed stars become invisible because of the meteor shower.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: At midnight the stars fell like rain. So that that's
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  Speaker 4: what you have a chance to experience now during the
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: peak of the Lyrids, which is again tonight tomorrow night,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: April twenty one, April twenty two, you can expect to
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: see about a dozen shooting stars at its peak. But
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: some years it's better than others the Lyrids. When it's
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: really good, that's called what is it, a meteor outburst.
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  Speaker 4: So in nineteen twenty two. In nineteen eighty two, the
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: Lyrids produced ninety meteors per hour, and in eighteen oh
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 4: three observers saw seven hundred per hour, which is one
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: shooting star every five seconds. Wow, So a dozen't is
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: what you'd expect for a baseline these next couple nights,
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  Speaker 4: But it has a chance to be even more grand
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: than that. Although its peak is right now as we
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  Speaker 4: sit here, extra shooting stars will be visible into the weekend.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: So as we exit the debris field on Sunday, if
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: you're at Turkey Camp this weekend, if you're out fishing
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: in the dark, keep your eyes to the sky.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna park my car out so people think someone's
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: ordered there watching, and then I'm gonna have it all myself. Man,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be watching. No one else can watch.
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  Speaker 4: If you do happen to witness a spectacular fireball during
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 4: the Lyriids, which, as I said you know earlier. As
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: I said earlier in the media shower, it's known for
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: producing fireballs rather than like long streaks of light, then
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 4: you should go report that to the American Media Society
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: and if they get enough reports, it becomes a confirmed fireball.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 4: So I pulled a random one of these confirmed fireballs
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: from last year to show you the problem how the
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: process works. This was from March seven, twenty twenty five.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: This fireball was not part of the Lyrid's media shower,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: as it was about six weeks before that. Phil has
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 4: a picture of it here showing you how these reports
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 4: are gathered. It was four forty am Mountain time. Four
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 4: people witnessed a fireball that's traveling from east to west
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: at a downward angle. It's since been categorized this is
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 4: Event four one four twenty twenty five. So we have
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 4: our first observer. This was Reagan in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, who
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 4: says it's an orange fireball. They leave a note with
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 4: the American Medior Society saying so grateful to have experience this.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: Our next observer is James and Bismarck, North Dakota. James
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 4: reports the fireball was light blue and white. He says
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 4: it was very bright. At first, I thought it was
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: a plane moving across the sky until I realized that
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 4: it was heading towards the ground. Then it clicked that
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: it was a fireball. It reminded me of the fuel
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: streak of an incoming missile. I don't know how James
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 4: knows that, but he said it reminded him of that.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: You see him saying that which one under persistent train?
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: Oh I see The.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: Third observer is brook In Towns in Montana that's just
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: down the road from US. Brooks says it had a
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: smoke trail with shades of light blue, orange, and white.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: She simply says that it was wild.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: Now here's a four.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: Doesn't tell us that. And then here's our fourth report.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking out for guys.
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  Speaker 3: Spencer.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: I like.
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  Speaker 3: I like this guy.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: He reports the fireball lasted about three seconds, it was white.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: Here's his quote. I spend a lot of time outside
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: at night. This was the brightest media I've ever seen.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: Excellent report.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I trust that person.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: Can you established his credentials?
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: No? No, I was I was thinking back, what was
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: I doing at four thirty am. I was in my
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 4: hot tub. I had just got done traveling.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: I had a shoot.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 4: I shot a roast that week, I had two episodes
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: of Trivia. My whole sleep schedules off. So if I
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 4: like wake up super like that, I'll just go out
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: in the hot tub. I was out in the hot
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 4: tub and I saw this fireball, and then I went
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: and report, you woke up early?
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  Speaker 3: You weren't.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: This wasn't like No, I wasn't say it was like
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: it was.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: Like eight am up early and I reported it and
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: I got to be part of event one for graduation. Yeah,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: thank you. So if you see a particularly spectacular fireball
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 4: this week and or anytime you know, you should go
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: do some citizen science and report it to the American
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: Meteor Society.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: It's to sign up and says report a fireball. It's
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: fun and easy.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: You should get a.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I reported a fireball.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: It was easy.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 4: It asked you twelve questions and some are like, oh
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: what is the answer to that? You like really have
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 4: to So when you see one of these things, uh,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: you know, put yourself in that place like where did
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: it start, where did it end? What color was it?
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 4: Roughly how much time did it take for it to
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 4: cross the sky. That way, you can give a MS
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 4: A good report.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: Excellent job, man, it was a great report. Here's the
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: thing I'm thinking about. If I tell my kids about this,
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: they're gonna want to stay up or get up, And
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: if they get up, then they're gonna be all cranky tomorrow.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: So it's like, do you go with as a parent,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: do you go with like enhancing their lives and then
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: dealing with them when they're when they wake up they're
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: talking about how tired they are. Not tell them about it.
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  Speaker 5: We have an answer to this in our house. I'm like,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 5: you can set an alarm and get up if you want,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 5: and then I just go to sleep.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: She wait till they're older where they can truly experienced
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: the whole they can appreciate the whole experience.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm probably gonna tell them about it, But
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: what happens, their mom will get them up because she's
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: better about stuff like that.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the gambler.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: All right, buddy, Thanks for joining the news show next week,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: Steve on Colorado. I'm telling you.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: What we promise it'll come.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: And I've been bumping and I've been bumping. Uh, the
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: report on the Monte Verde archaeological side.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 6: We might end up with that episode that's just bump.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 10: Steve's talking directly into the camera.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all the stuff that keeps getting bumped. Because my
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: stuff sways at the end, there's no time to get
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: to it. Thanks for joining the news show. Hot sending
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: hot news tips. If you get them, we'll cover them.
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  Speaker 1: Take care,