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Is John Stewart The Most Powerful Lantern? (Lanterns Ep Two Review Feat BJ Kicks Of Comics Are Dope) · For All Nerds Show

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  Speaker 1: Man clapped them cheats in the parking lot and change reality.
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  Speaker 2: Boy he made that became year.
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  Speaker 1: And what's up y'all? And welcome to another episode of
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  Speaker 1: the four All Nerds Show. It's Your Boy E J.
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  Speaker 1: Benjamin aka cal l Bundy Hallal Jordan Edward Nigma. Please
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  Speaker 1: in Blackish Night, that purple, that purple, that purple Lancer
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  Speaker 1: Here on the Spaceship tonight and as always, I'm joined.
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  Speaker 2: By Taciana King b Grand duch Is a tech also
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  Speaker 2: known as flex Luthor Fear of Zod, Joel Xantana.
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  Speaker 3: And Glorilla Rod.
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  Speaker 1: There we go, There we go, and returning the far set,
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  Speaker 1: the prospector themselves.
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  Speaker 4: Hey it's Pussia aka rubber Band Banks aka Mikestrapee make
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  Speaker 4: them say hmmm ak x Men's rogue one Captain planned
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  Speaker 4: it in Khadijah Frames.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, love me, love it, love.
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  Speaker 1: It and making their triumphant return to the spaceship. The
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  Speaker 1: one and only BJ Kicks of Comics are Dope.
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  Speaker 5: Please introduce yourself to Yes, yoya yo, It's BJ Kicks
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  Speaker 5: aka Young Girl Master No Sandals aka Honey. I just
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  Speaker 5: placed the grocery order, can you pick it up? Aka
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  Speaker 5: Daddy I can't find Barney and I always sleep with Barney.
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  Speaker 5: AKA please leave that man's wife alone.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely heavy on that last one, my god.
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  Speaker 1: Also Young grill Master, no sandals, so yeah, yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: hopefully you're not eating you know, another man's plate off that.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, we are back Lantern's episode two. As you know,
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  Speaker 1: our ak's and everything else. BJ's green background should let
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  Speaker 1: you know we're here to talk about everything. So if
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  Speaker 1: you haven't seen it, made sure you go watch it.
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  Speaker 1: Make sure you hit that light that subscribe that hype
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  Speaker 1: on this video, and then we're gonna get right into this.
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  Speaker 1: Trust falls the name of the episode. Bjsons, you're our
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  Speaker 1: special guest. What did you think of it?
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  Speaker 6: Man?
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  Speaker 5: I loved it. I love the episode. I love will
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  Speaker 5: of the series in general so far. I do have
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  Speaker 5: the one gripe like we can get into it later,
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  Speaker 5: but overall thoughts, I thought it was dope.
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  Speaker 6: I'm enjoying this look like I hate you, buddy cop.
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  Speaker 5: Aspect of the show, the mysteries, like all the new
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  Speaker 5: questions that this episode raised, Like I feel like I
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  Speaker 5: still don't know where this series is going, and I
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  Speaker 5: love that aspect of it.
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  Speaker 6: But it's like I'm locked in it's musty TV.
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  Speaker 1: M far except the prospector.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree that the mystery elements rationing up. Like
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  Speaker 4: I've mentioned how I love mysteries and it's fun to
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  Speaker 4: go from where they leave us in episode one of
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  Speaker 4: like the mystery of How and like how he ended
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  Speaker 4: up there in the stands to what is How actually
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  Speaker 4: trying to solve in this timeline in twenty sixteen. And
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  Speaker 4: I really appreciate that this episode goes in there and
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  Speaker 4: including in there being like a portal dimension. So like,
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  Speaker 4: I love like rationing of the fantasy, rationing of the
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  Speaker 4: mystery and aliens actually being interesting in this world in Tatiana.
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  Speaker 2: If we are continuing on this track, I gotta say, finally,
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  Speaker 2: some delicious ff and food. I feel like they are
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  Speaker 2: cooking right now. I Mean, this is Damon lindel Off
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about, but it feels like they are cooking
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  Speaker 2: both with story and with character and what they're doing
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  Speaker 2: with the DC Cinematic universe, Like we're talking about the
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  Speaker 2: TV side of things, but they're still doing it on
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  Speaker 2: such a great and scale that is even hitting or
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  Speaker 2: maybe even surpassing things we've seen in the theater and again,
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  Speaker 2: if what we are seeing so far, if this is
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  Speaker 2: to be maintained throughout the rest of this season, we
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna have something real special on our hands. We
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  Speaker 2: already have something very special. The fact that they have
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  Speaker 2: touched on a number of notes, both like mentally, both nostalgically,
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  Speaker 2: both you know, your your whatever level of comic book
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  Speaker 2: knowledge you have, as well as how we consume TV,
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  Speaker 2: how we consume stories and and and learn from it
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  Speaker 2: like they're doing. They're doing, They're doing Zodd's work right now.
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  Speaker 2: So I just I just got to say that I'm
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  Speaker 2: really enjoying this and you know, they did some iconic
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  Speaker 2: things this episode, so I'm happy to get into it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, super a lot of comic things. I'll echo
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  Speaker 1: everyone else. I think, oh iconic, well, iconic comic things
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  Speaker 1: as well, so I'll echo everyone else. I thought this
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  Speaker 1: was you know, and I think The Lanterns is shaping
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  Speaker 1: up to be one of the best things the DC Universe,
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  Speaker 1: anything DC from the d down to the DCU has
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  Speaker 1: ever produced, and just one of the best superhero shows
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  Speaker 1: and a really great solid TV show in general, a
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  Speaker 1: great mystery show. Like Portier said, I felt like all
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  Speaker 1: the mysteries got ramped up this episode. I had so
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  Speaker 1: many questions. I've watched the episode a couple times now.
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  Speaker 1: It was all over Reddit afterwards, and like I said,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of like Tartanna said, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: iconic stuff, but also a lot of comic stuff off top.
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  Speaker 1: I want to say, because one of the commentators called
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  Speaker 1: it out last week, and I didn't really think they
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  Speaker 1: were going to go there, even though I did point
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  Speaker 1: out like the thing that we did see in the
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  Speaker 1: preview about the black lantern symbol and all that, But
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  Speaker 1: one of the commentors especially said that there was some
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  Speaker 1: Red Lantern connections. And personally, I always thought the Red
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  Speaker 1: Landers were just a little bit goofy to just like
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  Speaker 1: our rage, but there's a little bit more to them
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  Speaker 1: than that. They have some dope storylines, and this episode
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  Speaker 1: in particular seems to hint that the Red Lanterns might
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  Speaker 1: already be in the show with the characters of Antan
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  Speaker 1: and the rest of the dudes who abducted John in
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  Speaker 1: this episode. So, yeah, a lot going on. But you
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  Speaker 1: did have one note, BJ, so let's get right to that. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you did have one big complaint. So let's talk about that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, So this has been my complaint for the series
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  Speaker 5: so far. Right, like John Stewart marine man, super strong
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  Speaker 5: of mind, like being trained from like five to no
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  Speaker 5: fear gunshots and just think through things and strategize. It
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  Speaker 5: seems so out of character for him to just be
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  Speaker 5: dilly dalllying with this lady, right, Like, I don't get them.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I wanted to agree and offer a secondary point
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  Speaker 2: of view on that towards towards but I means, is it.
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  Speaker 5: Though, Yeah, because where I am, I'm like, it's there's
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  Speaker 5: I mean, like exploits are exploits and we all have
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  Speaker 5: we all have them, right, I don't think that's necessarily
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  Speaker 5: out of character. But the pillow talking in episode two, Yes,
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  Speaker 5: Like that's the part that I'm really just like, I
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  Speaker 5: cannot wrap my brain around this man like knows anybody
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  Speaker 5: can be an alien, knows all this stuff that's going on.
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  Speaker 5: It's thinking three steps ahead most of the time, but
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  Speaker 5: it's just spilling his guts to this lady. Like unless
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  Speaker 5: there's some sort of outside influence, it just doesn't make
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  Speaker 5: a sense to me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, in many respects, I agree with you,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't. I think John needs to recognize that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't make sense his movements like that, that that's wild.
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  Speaker 2: And I know you mentioned him being the marine and
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  Speaker 2: you've been trained and you should know better than all this.
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  Speaker 2: But there are several factors coming into play, and that's
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  Speaker 2: that humanistic factor of just one, you're being a man
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  Speaker 2: that like you mentioned their exploits, You're being a man.
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna do what you're gonna do. Fuck anything moving
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  Speaker 2: half the time, okay, whatever. Secondly, there are many elements
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  Speaker 2: of John that we're starting to see through, Like this
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  Speaker 2: episode showed a lot about his character or hinted towards
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  Speaker 2: a lot about his character and his past and his upbringing.
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  Speaker 2: That we see a lot of cracks, We see a
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  Speaker 2: lot of I don't want to say weaknesses, but we
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  Speaker 2: see a lot of blind spots, if you will, right,
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  Speaker 2: we're seeing to your point of him wearing you know,
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  Speaker 2: basically wearing his heart on his sleeve, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: like he's just spilling his guts and they're just talking
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  Speaker 2: and he's and you and and for me, part of
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  Speaker 2: my why I laughed at that note, you may because
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  Speaker 2: I agree with you he has no situational awareness, which
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  Speaker 2: is also like I thought, you was a marine bro
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  Speaker 2: like how'd you get jumped twice? But in the same episode,
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  Speaker 2: But that notwithstanding demand, there's a level. It's so funny.
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  Speaker 2: They talk about this with Hal a lot about him
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  Speaker 2: being lonely and stuff. I think Jordan's sorry, I think, uh,
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  Speaker 2: John rather is also a lonely guy. I think there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot about him that he's very and that kind
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  Speaker 2: of feeds into the military military part of it, Like
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  Speaker 2: you know, he's a very lone wolf type of that guy.
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  Speaker 2: Like besides the background you got, like, you don't see
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  Speaker 2: him with anybody else, right, he he he doesn't assumably
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't have He has brothers at least we saw
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  Speaker 2: in the beginning, but where are they now? He doesn't
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  Speaker 2: talk to anybody he's under training with how and that's
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  Speaker 2: all you see. You don't see any other interactions of
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  Speaker 2: him with anybody else. And then you happen upon this
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  Speaker 2: as you say, this random woman that you pillow talking
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  Speaker 2: with and you he seems to have a level of
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  Speaker 2: unearned trust, if you will. But perhaps that's something that
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  Speaker 2: he's he's holding on too, because it's something that he
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  Speaker 2: does not have in life. I think that that's going
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  Speaker 2: to continue to further as the series goes. I do
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  Speaker 2: think that's a misstep on his end and that's going
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  Speaker 2: to buy him in the ass by him to ask.
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  Speaker 2: But it is something that they are hinting and growing
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  Speaker 2: about his character, like, yes, there is some diameterrically opposed
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  Speaker 2: things about who he's supposed to be versus who he
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  Speaker 2: displays himself to be. And I think that's why that's
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  Speaker 2: why your your mind and really jump on that and
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  Speaker 2: said that didn't make sense, But there there is a
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  Speaker 2: flawed aspect that they're purposefully and the Floyd dynamic that
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  Speaker 2: they're purposally trying to make us understand.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was even one of my questions from
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  Speaker 1: the episode is because John doesn't just pillow talk with Shorty.
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  Speaker 1: John also pillow talks with Antenne the alien. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he gives up a lot of information in him as well.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the big ones is when he says,
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  Speaker 1: have you ever been deceived by someone you love? And
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  Speaker 1: John says yes, So who is that? Because John hasn't
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  Speaker 1: shown to love anyone really so far, Like he definitely
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  Speaker 1: doesn't love how so far. Someone pointed out I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if we even mentioned it last week, but when
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  Speaker 1: he finds how in the future, when he finds him dead,
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  Speaker 1: he's prying or he starts prying when he sees him. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but he doesn't have that type of emotion for him now.
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  Speaker 1: So it's someone who portrayed him in his past, which
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  Speaker 1: my first thought is his dad, but he still is
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  Speaker 1: in contact with his dad. So either he ate that,
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  Speaker 1: which I can also see, and it's just something he's
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  Speaker 1: holding on to, which, like you said, leads into his
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  Speaker 1: feeling of loneliness and isolation, which might be why he
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  Speaker 1: reaches out Shorty and why he's so willing to talk
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  Speaker 1: to alien dude, and then at the end to also
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  Speaker 1: you know, tell how everything.
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  Speaker 2: And and one other thing I want to pint out,
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  Speaker 2: like he wants to be in this world bad, Like
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  Speaker 2: when I hear this world, I'm talking about that green
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  Speaker 2: lantern core, the image, the the intergalacticness of it. Like
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  Speaker 2: he this is all he's ever as a keep showing
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  Speaker 2: that this is all he's ever been leading up to,
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  Speaker 2: and he wants to be involved, right, what does you
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  Speaker 2: know he got to get involved in that?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: And our favorite our favorite director loves to say, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like he anything that's going to get him deeper into
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  Speaker 2: that world he is going to chase essentially, So I
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  Speaker 2: also see like kind of that, whether it's naive or not,
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  Speaker 2: just that wanting to just dive right into it and
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  Speaker 2: just be a part of it. And I mean, you
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  Speaker 2: saw how he looked at the soup. He saw how
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  Speaker 2: he looked at the lantern that was that was in
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  Speaker 2: the mind of iconic nature, Like that was like all
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  Speaker 2: my life, I wanted this.
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  Speaker 5: He looked like he found his dad's letters in the
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  Speaker 5: closet and.
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  Speaker 2: I and I get it.
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  Speaker 1: I get it.
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  Speaker 2: And also and just my last point on that, like
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  Speaker 2: that even speaks to what I was saying in the beginning,
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  Speaker 2: just about how in high regard like this writing is
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  Speaker 2: right now because even if someone like even if you
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  Speaker 2: knew nothing about Green Lance, you knew nothing about the Yona,
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  Speaker 2: that you felt the weight in that moment, You felt
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  Speaker 2: the weight of what was going on. And just imagine,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you as an outsider, you know, breaking the
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  Speaker 2: fourth wall. Think about what the character is in that
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  Speaker 2: moment seeing all that, Like that's insane.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, for me, I think it's really interesting, like to
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  Speaker 4: set up for everything with him showing that he has
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  Speaker 4: this weakness being a woman, Uh, Like he's willing to
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  Speaker 4: just say whatever to her, But like you mentioned, he's
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  Speaker 4: also willing to tell how exactly what the aliens you
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  Speaker 4: tried to recruit him told him to, like that they
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  Speaker 4: were why they were recruiting him specifically, and not how
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  Speaker 4: how they just trusted how how they thought that he
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  Speaker 4: just trusted hell as well. And I think it shows that,
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  Speaker 4: especially when we see the preview for next episode, we're
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  Speaker 4: going to get into how his relationship with his mother
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  Speaker 4: and his parents allows for him to have this like
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  Speaker 4: wound where he's willing to self abandon.
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  Speaker 3: He's willing to like have feelings about.
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  Speaker 4: Something and then kind of like ignore those feelings in
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  Speaker 4: order to like do whatever he feels like doing in
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  Speaker 4: the moment, like an impulse control, Like you can't quite
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  Speaker 4: force himself to be disciplined about it, as I think
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  Speaker 4: we're talking about him like being a marine and like
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  Speaker 4: like have being trained to do whatever. I think the
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  Speaker 4: idea of discipline, especially this is something that I've been
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  Speaker 4: in different spaces. We've been talking about discipline and the
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  Speaker 4: idea of discipline versus punishment, and how people kind of
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  Speaker 4: like get those conflated, especially early on in childhood and
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  Speaker 4: how your parents reinforced discipline versus punishment, And the idea
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  Speaker 4: of discipline is that you like kind of hold yourself
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  Speaker 4: to a standard and you know how you want to move,
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  Speaker 4: and you're you control that self control. Yeah, versus punishment
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  Speaker 4: is like it's countered as like discipline, like, oh, you
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  Speaker 4: did something wrong, so now you have to be disciplined,
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  Speaker 4: But that's not truly discipline.
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  Speaker 6: That's punishment.
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  Speaker 4: And so when it comes to morality and holding strong
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  Speaker 4: to an ideal and holding strong to like what he
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  Speaker 4: wants to do, I could see that if he has
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  Speaker 4: not really involved himself in doing that work, then he's
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  Speaker 4: willing to self abandon and then possibly punish himself for
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  Speaker 4: it later or like kind of like have an inner
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  Speaker 4: critic about like what he's going to do later.
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  Speaker 3: And we haven't really.
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  Speaker 4: Seen him be strong about any particular ideal yet, besides
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  Speaker 4: the fact of like being part of the landing coord
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  Speaker 4: we haven't really seen him like.
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  Speaker 3: Stick to anything.
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  Speaker 4: So I wonder if like was like not surprising because
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  Speaker 4: it's like his character hasn't really been flushed out for
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  Speaker 4: us to know what does he stand for outside of
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  Speaker 4: like this one goal that he's gone for his whole life.
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  Speaker 5: I think the one thing that it's shown that he
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  Speaker 5: stands for is respect, right like you kind of see
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  Speaker 5: it in his relationship with his dad. But then even
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  Speaker 5: in the way he revers how like, how's I hated
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  Speaker 5: you tell the guardians a thing that you just came
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  Speaker 5: to hold me and he's like, no, I'll report to you,
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  Speaker 5: right Like, so he's followed, he'll follow a chain of
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  Speaker 5: command and he'll be forthcoming, you know, to the nth degree.
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  Speaker 5: But I don't know, interestingly, just because you brought it up.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I think maybe John's got mommy issues and
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  Speaker 5: that makes this stuff with this lady make more sense,
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  Speaker 5: like because that seems to be what he stands on.
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  Speaker 5: He he will give respect, you know, straight up. But
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  Speaker 5: it seems like he craves love m.
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  Speaker 3: And that's a great observation that might be exactly.
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  Speaker 2: On the money too. Yeah, And when you said, when
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  Speaker 2: you mentioned talking about the love and what he craves
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  Speaker 2: and what he needs, I really want to mention that
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  Speaker 2: bird that is in like ninety percent of the episode
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  Speaker 2: and at the very end when how it was just
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  Speaker 2: like do you pull that out of your subconscious?
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  Speaker 3: What does that represent?
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  Speaker 2: Right, Like he was kind of being funny with him,
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  Speaker 2: but also being straight with him, like what is that?
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  Speaker 2: And John just immediately was like, none of your business? Right,
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  Speaker 2: obviously it means something.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Words are a metaphor for a lot of obvious things.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you could say the most specific, which was
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  Speaker 2: flight when he was just trying to learn how to fly,
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  Speaker 2: and that's when it manifed, That's when it constructed.
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  Speaker 3: You can talk about.
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  Speaker 2: Freedom, you can talk about a lot of the typical
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  Speaker 2: tropes of what birds may may represent, but it also
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  Speaker 2: could represent some lost love, right something you know, whether
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  Speaker 2: it's a mommy issue, whether it's an actual woman of
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  Speaker 2: his past, whether it could be anybody you know of
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  Speaker 2: a specific person, man, woman, or whatever. Like, I think
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  Speaker 2: that that's going to be something that we also definitely
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  Speaker 2: need to like think through a little bit more about
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  Speaker 2: what that bird really meant throughout this episode and the
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  Speaker 2: fact that he went through so much including it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: torture per se, but a mental bending, a mental.
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  Speaker 3: Standpature, like he torture.
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  Speaker 4: He saw whatever that was was like a violent act
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: against and like and then yah Ann had said that
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: it was like a holocaust. So he's witnessed and if
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: you saw like indoor, whenever they did like torture tactics,
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: they had them listen to the sounds of like a holocaust.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: It's like that's torture, You're okay.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: So having that form of torture and the fact that
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: the man he was dealing with was just like, by
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: the way, you're gonna feel the effects for a little
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: while longer. So to have just that at the very
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: top of the mental stress on him, and the entire time,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: the bird is still there, Like what what level what
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: death of subconscious you know, scarring are we talking about?
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what, like BJ said, and like you're adding
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: to I really think that bird also represents innocence and
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: like his childhood. Like people have already made the joke
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: White and it's you know right there John snow White. Yeah,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: because he sings in the animals, he got the little
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: bird on his shoulder. But also in the preview, we
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: do see that we see the green light over baby John. Yes,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: and so people are saying, and it's also hilarious, but
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: is it that the light where the guardians coming for
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: him as a baby when Avanser crashed And they're like
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: you know I can't take a God damn baby, go
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: get half or is it the I don't think that
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: that's hilarious, But I don't think that about this. I
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: think the light actually came for John Senior asked did
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: he fear, and he said yes, So then he went
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: away and that's been his whole thing. So, but it's
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: also John Junior. In that preview we also see him
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: say I already know why you're coming to recruit me.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: So that means John Senior definitely knows more about the Guardian,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: more about how, more about everything. But it's also seems
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: to be a bit of public knowledge, or more things
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: become public knowledge once how it comes out, because Sheriff
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: in this episode can google Sinestra yeah, which is wild.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, she looking at with you Pitia just
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: like me.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So a lot of things are becoming more public knowledge.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: So how Senior having knowledge of the Guardians and people
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: in general, I mean, not how Senior, John Senior having
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: knowledge of the Guardians and people general. Having knowledge of
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: the Guardians doesn't seem that far fetched.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Well, I would hope it's not far fested.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: And I think that's one of the points of how
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: they're constructing to use a pun there, but how they're
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: constructing this the world, the new DCU world, the new
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Green Lantern world, and how it all fits in, Like
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: they're they're trying to make it like, like we mentioned
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: how this is like a more down the Earth even
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: though it's extraterrestrial, it's also still down on Earth at
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: the same time, and there's like clear connections within characters.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, even within this episode, we talked to the
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: sheriff that she was from Gotham fucking City.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: She said that you don't believe.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: It's the story that she concucts. But the point is,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: but if I want you, you can say what you want
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: to say in a minute question. But the point is
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: just the fact that they're integrating all this stuff, you know,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Coast City, all this other stuff, Like they're really making
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: it clear like this is a fully integrated world that
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: have the characters like live and Bleed, and I think
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: that's really important with how they're going or James gunn
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Era version of where the DC Universe is headed, what
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: he was going to say about that portion. You don't
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: believe it.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: I feel like it's a mystery and no one is
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: going to be straightforward in a mystery and the way
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: that she threw it away because like, like at this
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: thing about what's happening at the time of that scene,
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: like they're walking through the hospital, which How is actually
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: asking questions about, and she's just kind of putting him
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: off of things.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: He's like, well, why is there just.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: Fresh, brand new thinking and equipment in here. She's like,
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: oh yeah, you know, like we just don't do so,
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: like the whole cover station is her being a little
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: fictitious the whole time, and clearly in her discussion with
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: How where she says to him, and this is later
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: that she's a sheriff around these parts and she knows
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: what's going on more than like he may understand of
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: her understanding what's going on, and so she needs to
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: maintain this level of power or the concept of her
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: having a amount of power that is better than Macon's,
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: and how Macon already kind of has people sways at
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: his side of looking at him.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: It's like being the power of the town.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: So I think what we're seeing is that she's very
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: aware of who she is portraying herself to be and
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: hers telling How like oh yeah, I from Gotham City.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: She says it like in a throwaway like kind of way.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: She doesn't even say it like she actually means it.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: She just is like, yeah, I'm Gotam City, sure, And
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: so I mean she could be from Brockham City. I
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: don't think she is, though, And I think that the
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: way that we see the mystery being set up, she's
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: kind of set out to be one of the characters
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: that we don't suspect of being behind some of the
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: questions because we see her in the last episode, we
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: see the preview of her. Who's the last person that's
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: still standing in that town that John meets up with,
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: it's her, So clearly, whatever happens for the town to
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: be in disrepair the way that it is by the
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: time twenty twenty six hits, she's still around. We don't
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: know about anyone else, and she's talking about her son
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: being off in college, like normal human things. So I
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: think the mystery about like who's the benefactor, are they
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: the manhunter?
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Who who is the Manhunter?
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: All these things like that, we're set up to not
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: think of her as the suspect when she's like as
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: a possible suspect, when she definitely is one of the
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: possible suspects. And I think her not quite giving a
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: cover story that sounds real to how is a good
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: indicator that she is suspicious.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people have definitely jumped on that
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: she mentions Gotham and that her name is Kine because
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: of course the Canes are a famous family of Gotham,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: and she also called. When she's on the phone, she says,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: give a kiss to Barb for me, which a lot
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: of people have said might be Barb. There we go.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: But I think, like Porsche said, all that is just
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: a bunch of nonsense and a bunch of the writers
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: poking fun at people who love all that type of stuff.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: And then you know, you'll harp on that instead of
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: paying attention to the fact that she's lying to this man,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: because she's definitely clearly lying to this man knows way
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: more than she was letting on. And the whole hospital stuff,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: like Porsch was saying, just it's ridiculous because we see
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: one other nurse at most, and no one in there
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: in a town full of old people like fully, yeah,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: populate this hospital. If you've ever been in hospital, I
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: spent a lot of time at hospitals in the last
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: few years, and it's in a full of you know,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: people advancing age and they're always full. There's never a
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: hospital MP bustling is words I used for hospitals at
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: all times, and I.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Don't want to add to that.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: And also, DJ, I wanted your opinion on like the
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: stuff that was just said, because you sound like you
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: look like you got some stuff to say about this.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: When we talk about situation, I mentioned situational awareness and
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: you know the lack thereof or clearly how has it.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: He just keeps it to himself, you know, until he
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: gets all the facts, which I love about him. And
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: towards what you're saying Portia about the sheriff knowing much
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: more in there, and there's this whole town is the
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: fucking facade. There's something up with the town. There's something
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: up with the people. There's something up with how it's
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: even structured. Sheriff mentioned it in the beginning, just about
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: you know, the sea of power being you know, unofficially
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: being maken right like and and and that just seems
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: to be the case no matter how you slice it.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: The hospital, it having.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: No page let alone who Yes, there's much a bunch
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: of old people, let alone old people.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Forget it.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: It's a hospital and we are humans. People go to
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: the hospital for less. I mean even in the town
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: of eight hundred, at least twenty people got to be
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: in that home like at any given point, like so
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: to have and not just the hospital hospital of that size,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: even though it's not this huge New York City hospital,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: it's enough to like take on maybe one hundred pages
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: and it's nobody in there.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: But how suspicious I want to know too, Like, just
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: for a financial point of view, it takes a lot
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: to source a hospital. Like yes, there there's so many
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: different funds that are happening for people to make it
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: possible for rural communities to have access to hospitals because
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: it's very hard to fund hospitals to hit multiple rural towns.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: So for them to be a rural town and have
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: a hospital is a major thing. There's be people from
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: out of town coming to their town because it's hard
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: to have a hospital that remote.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: And today they look like they had some real nice
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: equipment still wrapped up in the bubble wrap. And we
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: all know where the funding has probably come from to
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: get that. But why and why It's almost like how
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: they show North Career where they have these constructed houses
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: and constructive businesses, but nobody's really in that hole or
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: there's like Carbo. I don't know if you've ever seen
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: these documentaries about No Career where they dress it up
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: to look like something going on, you know, they got
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: something shaken, but there's really literally nobody there. There's cardboard
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: people in the windows, right, So it's giving that a
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: little bit. Ben, you had made a note about this too,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: But you know something I peeped just how and I
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: get it. It's a small town. Everybody's in the town meeting, right, everybody, man,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: woman and child, every single person. Like there's nobody in
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: the ice cream shot. There's no like everybody. So again
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: maybe I don't understand being from Brooklyn, I don't understand that,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: but I just thought something was off about that, and
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: it just this, there's continuously things that are not adding up,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: and then of course the sheriff being real, you know,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: moving real sus like I'm just people are saying things
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: that are not what the case is. And then of
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: course you know the reveal of all this alien technology.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Well that said Bjay, we said a lot I did
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: want your opinion on some of the stuff that was said.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, the whole town is given like Wayward Pines,
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: Like I can't trust anyone.
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: Nothing makes sense. I mean I work in health insurance.
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: There's never a hospital that does not at least have
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: a full emergency department. I get nothing else. Like you
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: at the hospital and everybody's chilling.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: It makes going down if.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: There was no beeping, no you know, doctor this to this,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: you know none of that, no calls, nothing right and.
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: You noted this.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: But like the sheriff is just chilling with a book,
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: sitting in that house bedside, like there's nothing else for
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: her to attend to.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Nothing the sheriff of the town.
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: Like so yeah, nah, I don't trust anybody, even the
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: idea that the shap knows all of this about aliens,
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: Like why does the sheriff know all this about aliens?
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: Like to have these detectors into like oh because and
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: that's the fun flip. It's like it's like, oh, the
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: you know, the Feds versus the small podunk police department.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: And you know, typically the police department is like eight
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: steps behind. She's always ahead.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: She is the grandma is the baby, Like yes.
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: Right, Like, I don't understand how how she's so far ahead,
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: especially if her relationship with her father in law it
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: is so adversarial, Like he wouldn't share this with her,
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: So where is she getting it?
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: Because he kind of defers to her, like when she
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: comes onto the property and like house starts talking. He's like,
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: this is how you move in, and she's like, I
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: didn't say anything.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, note that what I said was zero.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: And he even kind of like in that conversation, he's
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: just kind of like, oh, what do you want to
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: do to her?
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: And she's just kind of like, you know, it is
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: what it is.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: And I think it's interesting because again, I do not
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: think that if you were someone from a small town,
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: as someone who is from a small town, you move
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: your way to becoming sheriff of that town and you
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: align yourself with the lawyer son of the man who
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: like unofficially actually rents the town, I don't think you're
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: gonna like make that connection or like alliance and then
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: also be saying that you're like, oh, I'm actively trying
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: to subvert his power to like an outsider like she's
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: That's what's most fishy to me about her because like
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: every time she talks about she's like, let me talk
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: to him. And it's kind of like I think it's
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: you gotta think about how manipulation. How you know someone
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: else is gonna move before they move, and so you
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: kind of like feed in them to be like do
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: exactly what you think they should do.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: So I think it's how did first episode to.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: John? Whenever?
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: John is like whenever, how I ask him, like what
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: would you do? And he's like, oh, I would go
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: tell her and he's like, Okay, go do it. Like
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: I think he's like it's not even like he's he's
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: basically saying to him, do what moves you because he
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: knows that it's going to He's been waiting for the
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: guy to slip up, the alien to slip up, so
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: you can do something. But it's only going to take
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: some outside reaction for the alien to slip up. So
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: he's like, this is gonna work in my favor. I
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: get John out of my like out of my hair
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: for a minute. He gets to run him down, he
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: feels responsible for that, and I get to sit back
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: and like catch him in the end, Like so it
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: all works out for me. If like this goes goes
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: Overry and then so too the sheriff, and she was
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: on the field. When John is like did I mess up?
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: She's like, I suspect you did. She was already ahead
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: and it was already again. It worked in her favor
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: to just be like, well, I'm the wise sheriff who's
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: from this small the small town kind of vibe to
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: John and folks he kind of like. So, I think
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of manipulation here. I think it's more
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: than just Macon's wife. I think there's multiple people playing
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: cards that are all manipulations of like what they know
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: about how what they know about John, what they know
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: about the lanterns.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, on that note, I do want to say a
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: couple of things about the town. And then because you
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: mentioned Macon's wife and then I got some questions. But like,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: the other thing that makes the town so suspicious is
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: the fact that no one reacts at all to how
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: like they know everyone in the world. When he goes
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: to the taco stand, they are all taking pictures. They
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: are hypeseaters, man, they are everything. Since how has stepped
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: into this town, there is not a notice. It's just
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: been like, oh yeah, whatever, dude sit down next to me.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: They seem more annoyed that he'd be there, Like they
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: carry the same William Macon kind of plotline with them.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: They're like, Oh, why the fuck are you still here?
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Bro?
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And like Portia said, it seems that everyone had
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: was and like Williams said, first episode, I knew you
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: were coming. I did all the research. I've laid out everything.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: So he's already taught to sheriff, he's already talked to
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: his wife, he's already taught to son in law. Everyone. Also,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: it's like, who this seems like for this is an
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: old eighties movie, but this seems like the evil cocoon
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: going on in this town where something alien has come
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: to this town. And granted me, you've seen cocoons, you
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: know that. I'm like, it's granted all these people, you know,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: immunity from death or long lived life whatever, where they
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: don't need to go to the hospital, you don't have
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: to do any of that, just go along with whatever
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: else we have going on. So is that the question
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: is that the manhunter here? And that who's the man
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: hunter is a big question. But there was something the
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: sheriff said, and then I'll get Toamaican's wife, she said,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Waalon the alien who got through. She wasn't like he
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: got through because the detectors didn't work.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: No, the detector detected.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: This, That's what she says.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: She's like, it didn't work on him or something like that.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's like, I didn't suspect him to be an alien.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: But that's some more bullshit to me. That's when it's
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: like it, no, you knew he was an alien all that.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: That feels like some nonsense. Now onto Macon's wife and
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: to manipulation. And this is something I peeped and I
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: was on red and and saw when they first have
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: their encounter, she pulls out a pack of cigarettes since
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: yellow right now in the diner in the second episode,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: when she's sitting down and when John is sitting across
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: from her. I'll just be watching in the background as
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: we're watching this, and I really peep it, and it's wild.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: When she's sitting there, you see the mustard next to her.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: When you cut back to John, you see the ketchups
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: in front of him. But when you cut back to
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: the shot of both of them in the shot, mustard
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: is a parent, Yellow is a parent, So yellow is
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: always associated with this woman. For people who don't know
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: the lore, the yellow color is traditionally the color that
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: the greenland and rings don't work on, and eventually it's
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: what Sinestro and his core of lanterns Jews was. Sinestra
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: pretty much for his histories use a yellow ring, but
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: eventually he forms a whole core of lanterns Corps and
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: they all use a yellow ring. So the fact that
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: we consistently see yellow with this woman, you know, is
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: something going on again with her. Now as to who
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: is the Manhunter, that's also the big question of the episode,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: and seems to be the series. The aliens who kidnap John.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: They say the Manhunters came through our town are septor
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: or they came through space, basically started wrecking shit, dispensing
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: their form of justice. Then just like that they disappeared
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: with we don't know why, and one was left behind.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: He started as genocide. They can hide as anyone. They
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: started the genocide, and then a lantern came through and
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: picked up the Manhunter and said they would deal with it, right.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Who is that lantern? It's guessed that in this episode
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: that is aving soon.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: That's what I thought.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I think, all right, two foot things and BJA and everyone.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: You all know the history. Bj definitely knows this history.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: The Manhunters are were in the comics at last, were
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: created by the Guardians as a precursor to the Lanterns.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: They went out, they dispensed justice, like you said. But
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: then they wild out, and the Guardians were like, okay,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: we can't deal with that anymore. Like we said, they
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: disappeared just as suddenly as they came, and then they
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: created the Lanterns. And but then of course some Manhunters
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: survived and rebelled against the Guardians. To this day, they're
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: a threat to you know, the Guardians and to the
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Lanterns universe. Why right, So the guesses that happened served,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: But of course, you know Red Herring's being thrown off.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking it's Sinstro. I think ten years ago Sinestro
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: came through, got this man Hunter, found out about the
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: origins of the Manhunters and was like, yo, what fuck Guardians,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: and win A rebelled against the Guardians, which led to
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: him being in prison, and how being disillusioned with the
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Guardians and with Sinestro and his whole thing.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: That would make the most sense that would make the
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: most narrative sense, especially for the fact that at the
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: very end of them, so we actually see Sinestro and
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: have a conversation directly about manhunters.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: But how does the manhunter get to Earth in that
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: situation and enter this town.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: Ken manhunters have been here the whole time.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: Maybe, especially if they're shape shifting, like maybe they just
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: take to catch all of.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: Them, especially if like again, if Earth is the backwater
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: end of the forest creatures of nobody giving a crap
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: about what the fuck is going on there, kind of
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: like place for galaxy, and why a manhunter This would
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: be a great place for a manhunter to hide, because
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: who's coming over here?
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: That's a fact.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: But then why does how noted something's going to happen
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: in this town other the fact? And then if Avancer
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: crashed here, that's the thing, like why is avan Swer
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: crashing here? That has to tie in.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: But maybe he.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: Crashed there because he like he was he was trying
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: to find manhunters. He came out of the way figured
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: out like, oh, they might be manhunter presents here, and
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: then he died and he was like, well, I need
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: someone has to take on the mantle to continue what
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: I was about to start, what I was trying to
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: start here finding where this.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Man hunter is having got this man Hunter?
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Basically to that and also to your question Ben of
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: how how new? Like how I always keep talking about
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: gut feeling and they they This was like a big
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: theme in this's episode about instinct too. Is it more
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: than just gut feelings an instinct? Is there something and
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: this is part of the lantern history that I don't
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: know if this was even touched upon in any book,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: in any comic, but like, is there something that also
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: gets passed down to you once you get the ring?
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Besides just like you know, getting access to the powers
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: and being doing common drugs, like do you.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: Get maybe you just have to be taught?
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: But is someone like are you is there any type
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: of knowledge or instinctual you know, mental stamping that gets
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: carried down to you as well as the next lantern?
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Like do you do you get anything from the previous lantern?
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: Well generally speaking, right, you get your ring, Yeah, after
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: a previous lantern dies, once you know, you get in,
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: you go to oh and you sort of get your
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: kind of knowledge down like you get trained, like just
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: get trained, so you get training on like the basic
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: history of stuff.
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: But so much of how Jordan's character boils down to instinct.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: So really it's just pure instinct. And then just answer
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: your question a no, out of how do he knew?
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: He keeps saying it's in my guts and my gut,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: and I was just like, is it just that or
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: is it because there's something else that he has been learned.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: I like this train of thought though, because kind of
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: like the genetics a little bit, but like more like
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: it's encoded in the Ring, Like is there could the
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: Ring be holding a code? Like is the Ring whites
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: clean when the predecessor dies? Or is there some can
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: they leave something a message or something tied to.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: The Ring messages the hollow, the holograms, the hollow, you
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: know hollow how as we saw the last episode, so
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: we know that for a fact.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: And also like if like how ran up on dying
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: Alvin sir, then like maybe Alvin said something to him,
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: like like to his face.
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: I don't know, yeah, And other adaptations like the Ring
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: can basically teach a lantern how to be a lantern,
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: so like it's like the Ring keeps the knowledge of
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: the wearer.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: And That's what I was trying to like understand, and
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: the lud to like, is there something you know? Is
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: there is there any lore that that would go on
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: that track? So even though he says it's instinct, is
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: it because it's something imprinted in him because of the
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: ring and because of his association with the lanterns and
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: all this other stuff.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: Speaking of How and like subconscious things in his sleep.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: The reason why the Cheff knows to like look up
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: to Sinettro is because he keeps saying it's Sinestro in
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: his sleep while in the hospital. So it's possible too
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: that like he is holding on this stuff and its
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: subconscious and he is like it's just not coming out.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: It is the instinct and sexual thought that he's talking about.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: But also to talk about he talked about John and
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: his proclivity for spilling his guts to women. But what
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: was How doing with the sheriff if not the same thing,
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: because he's over here asking this lady's like, is it
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: a happy marriage?
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Like that's not nosy.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Joe doing all the things your man won't do, like
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: oh man, ready.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Well, well you know, not to discount how How is
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: clearly extremely smart too, write like he's a detective. You know,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: everyone a lot of people online like in this this
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: series to true Detective he how is like how asks
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: these questions he does that he plays a drunken master role,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: but really he knows generally speaking, he knows what's happening.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: He knows what's up. Yes, to me, it is a
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: partly him just being nosy because some things are really
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: like throwaway information, like you don't have a happy marriage.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: But also some of it is it's real detective work
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: where he's trying to get to the bottom of things.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: You know a lot of times, like when you see
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: how he even processes it when he goes back to
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: the football field and he's sitting there and he's re
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: retracing the steps and and and literally reworking it. And
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: the fact that he dragged four fucking bodies just to
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: test his hypothesis of the of the metal detectors, Like
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: he's a method actor when it comes you know, how
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: how as a detective, he's a method detective, right, He's
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: he's going to be in the in the moment, in
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: the scene, he's going to play the role, but to
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: get the information he needs.
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: Mm hmm, yeah, I think how how superpower is not willpowers,
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: it's white privilege. And I think that it's just examples
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: of it, right, Like he's just you know what, this
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: lady's here in the room with me, let me shoot
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: my shot. Hey, you stayed at my bedside while were
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: you here? Is your happy? Like he's just he's just
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: it's a heat check, that's all it is.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Mm My man answered to honey when she.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Said, honey, he's outwardly fucking with her now, like like
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: that's unlike he he he plays that role so well,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: like he knows what he's doing. Like it's like it's
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: partially serious, partially him being a clown, but also at
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, it justifies his means, right,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Like like that the results justify his means because he ends
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: up getting what he needs to get. BJ, you just
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: had something really important that I want to make sure
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: that we touched upon when you talked about white privilege,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: and I made it a reason to talk about race
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: in the last episode when we and I was like,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: how are they going to be using this and how
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: they listen?
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Who?
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: What did y'all think about the The POC conversation between
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Zoe Macon and John.
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: It almost redeemed the fact that John is Pillow talking
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: in this bar, like because she's just spitting the real
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: and there's so many layers to it, like she's talking
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: about how you know she because basically John's like, okay,
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: well you're always stepping out on your husband, like what's
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: going on? And she's like, well, you know, he's boring,
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: but I picked him because he's safe, right, Like rich
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: white men can do whatever they want in society, and
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: so like that safety was attractive to her. But then
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: she also makes a point to say that she felt
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: honored because he could have chosen anyone, but he chose her,
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: And I think that's just kind of that sucks. It's
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: emblematic of just, you know how white privilege or maybe
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: or white white supremacy, which feels charged. So I'll say,
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: like whiteness as default, right, what makes you feel like
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: maybe you are not worth being chosen to be honored
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: that he could have chosen but chose you.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: You know, it felt like respectability politics too, like what
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: you mean you felt honored?
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: But I also gotta I think there's another side to that.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think that she felt honored. I think it's
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: more like I took the white man from his blonde dream, like,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: you know, that's the thing. What he wants, you know,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: what he should have is the blonde woman. And I
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: know none of that. I'm here, you know. So And
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: also she says, because he's like, well, a lot of
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: men do want you, And she's like, yeah, of course,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: but are they him? Are they rich white man who
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: can protect me? Which also leads to that theory that
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: manhunter or something, you know, villainous, because one in this
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: town of you know, Nebraska whiteness, this woman is ignored.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Nobody bothers her, no nothing. She just seems to just
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: be there. You know, people don't even pay her no mind,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: just like you know, even the worst version of how
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: they do. How and then like she says, I needed protection,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: I needed safety. I needed these things this man could provided. Hmm.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: This man when here comes to town, tells him all
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: about aliens, tells him how aliens would come at any time.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: I'll give you all the technology you need to protect everything.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know, she's you know, a mysterious benefactor. It's
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: maybe her.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Answer is manhter.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we've also pointed out that you know that's
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: not her grandchild, you know, like she is a brown
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: woman and that is not her grandchild. Also the fact
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: that that boy can't play ball and somehow managed to
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: be all state.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: Is you know, there's are not making sense?
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Is he lying about you know? Is is the
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: sheriff lying about all State? You know?
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: No, the John the magical Negro transformed the trajectory of
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: his life and made him all state.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Just by right. Not the legend of Negro.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's very fun that the legend of
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: back events.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Oh no, I mean clapped him cheats in the parking
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: lot and change reality. Boy, he made that.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Wait wait, but before we moved off, I wanted to
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: also just say like, uh, yes, everything you said be there,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: just about how she you know, positioned her relationship with
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: with making William make him right, and how and and
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: and why she whether she chose him he chose her,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: and that dynamic there, and the fact that he just
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: let shit happen apparently because John asked, you know, outwardly asked, like,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: do y'all have some type of arrangement? And she just like,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: I just do whatever the fuck I want, right, And
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: it just seems like making is like whatever, not to
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: say that like that, that's that is actually way more
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: common than people realized. But also it's just like, well, damn,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: he's just he's really as a as a husband, you
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: really just gonna let that ship slide. Like that tend
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: to happened in relations that have been together for a
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: very long time, because you know, you grow and you evolve.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: I get it, but also it's a little suspicious, and
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: so so I just wanted to mention that, and just
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: on the other side of that racial conversation, John mentioning that,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: oh he again. One thing that was so funny about
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: this episode was everything was funny, Everything was comedy. Him
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: saying that the white man went made him go fetch
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: his stuff, and you know, I was waiting for Aaron
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Pierre to start tap dancing in the corner because it
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: was just it was just perfect how he just delivered
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: the line, which also just speaks to Aaron Pierre's comedic timing, but.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: That it was very fourth.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: It was very breaking the wall kind of conversation that
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: they had because it was like, damn me, I'm not
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: talking about the show anymore, y'all talking.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: About real life too.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: So I really appreciated that they went there and hopefully
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: will continue to push that line.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and on that note, because there was a
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: couple of common from last week that I want to address,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: because one of them said something to the effect of
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: how they don't they think that this show needs to
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: stay away from race talk. I think was their word
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: not going to happen? And how that derailed Watchmen of
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: all things, And yeah, really quickly, like I've I mean, one,
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: that's what Watchmen was all about, like you said. And two,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: as I've said many times on this show, there is
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: no such thing as any art that is devoid of
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: any politics or any racial connotations, et cetera. If it
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: doesn't discuss it directly. That's the privilege of not having
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: to discuss it directly. And nine times out of nine,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: pretty much, there is some mention of politics in every
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: single form of art you've ever seen. It's just that
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: normally you agree with it, and so it doesn't it's
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: something you don't notice. But when people start making comments
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: like white men are privilege and rich white men are
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: the most privileged of them all, and you know, et cetera,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: et cetera, and it's this show basically it's distressing race
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: in every episode it suddenly becomes a problem for people.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: And that's just pretty much all I have to say
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: about that. And it's just like ignorance of that. And
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: to say the Green Lantern, like we distressed last week,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: hasn't always distrussed these topics. It's just ignorance of the
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: source material, which people love to, you know, run and
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: talk about all the time. So I really don't have
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: time for it. And I was really glad that this
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: episode continued to lean into it and continue to distress it,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: because it's just reality, Like the commentive sets on them,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: we don't live in the nineteen sixties anymore, and I'm like, no,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: we live in twenty twenty six and it's you know,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: ridiculously racist out here. And I saw a study talking
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: about how black people we actually eat so much racism
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: that we don't even realize how much, you know, racism
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: is going on in the world. So fuck all that, man,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: And I really just it's just really ridiculous to me
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: at this point. Yeah, it's like I was trying to
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: make a separate video about this, but I'm just kind
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: of tired of making that same video, you know, where
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: it's like I made these videos over and over again,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: where I say, hey, it's always been in all your
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: fucking comics and it will always be there.
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: You know, we could just throw out the casual reminder
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: that Green Lantern was like a D list character at
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: best until Daniel Neil decided to write a bunch of
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: politics into the Green Lantern stories featuring Green Arrow, right,
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: and if I guess if you have an issue with
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: all of that, you could just take it up with
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: the three rich white men who wrote this.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Series that part. So yeah, I was, you know, quite
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: happy about that, and then on some other stuff and
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: this will get into minusing. Like you said, the comedy
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: in this episode was amazing because one of them that
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: I just love is right after Hall gets shot, when
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: he's just trying to walk onto the farm, like you know,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: a white man will do an arrogant white man at
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: that it cuts to the aliens with John and he's
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: like sorry for the violence, And that was.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Like it was they from Jump Street. This episode was
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: sheer comedy. They the interaction with hal and John about
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: learning to fly that I was crying because it's like,
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: how is the worst teacher, whether you know, because he's
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: trying to teach something more deep, or he's just being
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: an asshole, just the way he went about it, like Okay,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: here's the ring fly and there's no explanation, there's no direction,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: there's no nothing, just like how he's been quote training
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: John this entire time, right, very much circular referencing, like
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: when someone asked for a definition of the word and
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: he used the word to define it, like he says,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: you know, he said fly, you know, like flight, Like
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: doing a version of the word is not going to
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: help you understand it any better, right, and again just
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: giving no real at least visible support and just making
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: sure like, oh you just got to figure this shit out.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: It's instinctual.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Again, there's lots of death to that scene, but also
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: just on the pure comedy level, one of the best
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: things I've seen in a while.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: I mean on comedic, but also on the note of like.
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: John being the black man going to go get the
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: white man's things from another state, just the way because
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: episode starts with like how feeling emboldened to just run
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: up into his hotel room, throw some water on him
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: and be like get the fuck up, And John is like,
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, okay, I got he Like what else are
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: you gonna do and then it's like he just accepts it,
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: and then he takes his butt like outside they have
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: a competition about the flight and all that kind of stuff.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: And then when he.
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: Gets to house house, because this is like, well we're
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: hitting two prongster, because that was the thing I thought
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: that was interesting, a carryover from last week's conversation, was.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: Like how are they getting paid?
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: And so whenever, like because the thing that he what
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: how actually does is he's waking up John in time
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: to make the flight that he already booked for John
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: to take just in case the whole flight thing don't
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: work out.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: And also he knows probably gonna work out because his
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: battery's on five.
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: Percent on the rink anyway, so like that was all
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: gonna toss up anyway. So he hands the man a
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: ticket to get for him to get to run to
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: Coast City, and then when he gets to his house,
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: it's a mansion, and he's like, so, how much do
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: we get paid? And he's like, oh, not very much,
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: like not enough, And so we get the explanation that
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: like he saved a rich white boy, and the rich
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: white boy's dad was like, okay, I'll give you a house,
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: and so that's the house and he's been living in
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: like his bedroom, that's the only furnished place in the
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: entire mansion. And even then it's like barely got anything.
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: He's looked diff for eight years. Talk about how's white privilege,
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: like that is a lot. And so for me, the
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: like he's doesn't say who Earl is, but he asked
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: John to feed Earl. We find out Earl is like
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: a conrivorous alien plant, and like, so like the privilege
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: of like him having an alien plant, just like hanging
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: out and his greenhouse is crazy. And then first thing
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: that happens, because I'm like, there's no way a black
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: man is going to a rich white man's house breaking
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: in with a key and coming back out of it easily.
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: And the first thing that happens tobody he gets kidnapped
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: coming out of this white man's house. So I'm just
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: like this whole tie in of like race and like
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: all the factors of like money and all those things
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: like and privilege are all wrapped up in it. And
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: it's comedic, but it's also like like Henry Garrity that
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: he had to dump in he was trying to get
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: to his own house and he had the freak. His
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: neighbor called the cops on him, like he has the
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: permission speaking to the man on his phone directly, And
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: even though it's not like the comps or something, it's
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: still someone who jumps him.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: Just because he was.
• 55:09
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Another thing that I want to know is talk about privilege?
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Is how? Because and it's two things. Is we see
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of pictures, right, and that speaks to How's
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: loneliness and it's isolation because the pictures are all with
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: people he doesn't know really, you know, they're all other
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: presidents presidents. And two things about that. One we see
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: a picture of him with both Bush and Obama, So
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: how you know it can be above politics because he's
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: right and so he doesn't give a ship. You know,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: I can be with whoever I want, you know, ha
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: ha ha. And then the other thing is you see
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: a picture of him with the Harry Potter cast, so
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: that man was especially like, yo, this alien doesn't know
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: who Harry Potter is.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: He's a Harry Potter stand and.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: He was like hogwarts. He was high, he was insulted.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: He's like, you don't know what's school here in you know,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: like this man was tight. So yeah, but but Hall
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: is definitely isolated, you know, he's a loner all that,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: and we see it in his house with the pictures
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: all that, so I thought that was excellent work.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: We see it in the house itself.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: The house is this huge, huge, it's expansive, it's gorgeous,
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: you can do a lot with it. But it's like,
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: but it's on that too, but it's empty, there is
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: nothing inside. He's had it for eight years or lived
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: he says he's lived there for eight years. Just speaks
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: of something that's been there for a long time but
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: has no substance to it. And it's expressive of him
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: So very good point. And then also while we're in
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: the house, we've been mentioned the lantern earlier, but yeah,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: that shit looked fire. I gotta say, like it was,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: you know, just weathered. Yeah, the props incredible and I
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: didn't notice reference. But the voice opening for the lock
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: is Mogo doesn't socialize, and Mogo doesn't socialize as a
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: story by Alan Moore, the Great Alan Moore. Yeah, it's
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: actually a story about Mogo. I went and read it
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: real quick. It's a quick five page story. Mogo is
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: a planet sized green Lanner. It is a planet that
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: is a green Lander, and Mogo doesn't socialized. Tells the
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: story of how this alien hunter fighter killer comes looking
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: for Mogo, not knowing it's a planet, spends months on
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: the planet before realizing that Mogo is the planet, and
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: then flies off of the space fearing. And the reason
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: why Mogo doesn't socialize is because he's a planet, or
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: it's a planet. They're a planet and it's gravity wells
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: would destroy anything that comes near, so Mogo doesn't socialize.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: That acid was pure back in the day, My God
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: like the planet is the basic Jesus. The best part
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: of this and I stepped on fairy guards to the
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: galaxy to by the way Ego and all that other stuff,
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: but go ahead.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: The best part of the story for me was when
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: it's actually lanterns are talking among themselves in the one
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: older lantern's tone and new lantern about the story, and
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: they're like, well, and then one day I'll tell you
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: about the real big lanterns. So Mogo ain't even the biggest,
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: you know in this universe. Mogo doesn't. I mean, I
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: think you know, yeah, I think hal knows the story
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: of Mogo. So that's why you use that first code,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: so you know.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just floating this space right now.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's amazing, and Mogo talks all that. I love Mogo, like,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Mogo is one of my There are so many dope,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: weird ass green lanterns, but Mogo has always been one
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: of my favorite ones.
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: I think my favorite is the squirrel.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah is amazing.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: It's like with the Apostrophe Chick.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: It's Apostrophe P. Yeah, amazing. I've always loved that, dude, Like,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, how can you not like? All right, before
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: we wrap up the one other thing and this difp
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: back to the whole big mystery thing. Is someone one
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: another commentary. I'm not know their names, but on the
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: live they made this point and I wasn't sure that
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: they were gonna go like I said about the black
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: lanterns and all that, but it seems that the red
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: lanterns are coming in or we're seeing the early version
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: of them with those aliens who kidnap John because the
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: story they tell about how they were genocide and everything
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: is very similar to the origin story of Atrocious the
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Lead Red lantern. So there's a possibility of debt right there,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: you know, so I don't know. And there's another line
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: in that conversation that was very important to me that
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: I wanted to point out is when says, you know one,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: he talks about how he has been portrayed by someone
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: he loves, which I think I was thinking it was
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: the dad, but I think it might be the mom now,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: which would lead to his mother issues and all that,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: and why we haven't seen him talk to the mom
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: in the current timeline or in the you know presence.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: But the other part of it is he says, you
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: don't recruit someone you know by Ashley you do, you
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: gotta do it subtly. So he's been recruited before. I mean,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: we know he's been recruited for the Marines all that,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: But I feel like that was more about talking about
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: the Lantern Corps and all that and how he got
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: recruited to be at least a trainee.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: M You mentioned the word subtlety. That just reminded me
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: of like maybe more individual points that I wanted to
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: make sure I mentioned the you know, the subtlety and
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: use as I mentioned, like they're to me, they're putting
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: the stories of these DC characters on a much more
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: grander scale than I I've remembered it being up until then.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: Until now it's giving it much more respect. It's making
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: it have much more power and much more influence, and
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: it just making me feel one that when we were
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: looking at how this new DC universe, since live action
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: universe is being constructed, and to my great you know, happiness,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: it feels like it's not centered on Batman or Superman.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: In fact, if they play their cards right, Lantern could
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: potentially be the centerpiece, particularly because of how much energy
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: they put into like the mythos of it and what
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: we're seeing. I mentioned that I felt like a good weight,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: but a heavyweight when we saw the suits and when
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: we saw the lantern and you know, the little pocket
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: dimension and all this other stuff, like it felt like
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: it mattered. And it's feeling that way even in like
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: how the characters approach it, Like in the last episode,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: how it is when when Jordan, she's I keep saying Jordan,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: but when John was like, why you don't wear the suit,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: and how it's like there's like the time and the place,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: and then that the end of this episode, he actually
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: dons the suit when he's going to go see scenestra,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: like when you talk about the importance of things, So
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: also not spamming us with nostalgia, not spamming us with iconography, Right,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: that is one of the things that gives more weight
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: to when a character is in the full regalia and
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: and is you know, whether it's going to battle or
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: it's going to have a conversation, Like it really matters.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: And I think that again, if they just continue on
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: this path, we're going to see something special occur. Well,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: we put more respect on the DC name because I
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: gotta say, like, I mean, I know, BJ you're the
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: big DC guy here, but like when we're talking about
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: from a cinematic perspective, that respect has been dwindling exponentially,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: right with the exception of the millions of Batman's that
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: you know come down the pipeline, Like it's not the
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: same level of when you saw with the MCU. Now
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: that full chrumb is. You know that this now new
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: full compoint is actually changing the dynamic a lot. So
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: I wanted to just mention that like that that it
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: really matters how they playround with again were calling them props,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: but like these are like huge pieces of this history
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: that is going to like way whether or not people
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: really care about the show and these characters and where
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: the story is going. The mention there's a lot of
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: mention of bison, and I'm me and Ben are are
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: Howard grass Hu Okay, I get triggered when I see
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: the word bis it right, and I so in a
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: couple of times, you know, with Earl eating beef and bison,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: I was just like, okay, is that in the It's
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: just that of connection to Nebraska because apparently the Nebraska
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: team there there their mascot is a bison. This is minor,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: but I was triggered by it. The plural of bison
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: is bison. There's no S on the end. So in
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: the field when how was out there, uh, there was
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: a sign that said Bison's win or Bison's charge or
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: whatever like that, I'm like, there's no fucking s. But anyway,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: that's not either heard nor there. I just wanted to
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: make that point.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: Maybe a black person made the song.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 6: Did you see that last week?
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: Because no, no, Howard Howard put out a post last
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: week like welcoming the ice and back, and they got
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 5: on the social media guy because it was like it's
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 5: not bisons.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: Wow, jeezus, that's like, that's one of the worst, one
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: of the many of the worst things you can do
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: to a Howard dy a Howard alarm.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: Don't person on everything.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 6: I know that one. Listen, I'm gonna go to Klogers,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 6: but I'm not gonna say bisons.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: If this show wasn't called Lanterns, I would be calling
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: it that. Trust me.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: Akin to what like what we try to do on
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: our shows is also like point out the little details
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: that will have greater impact. When how and Homegirl was
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: in front of making ranch and I noticed a sign
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: in front of the ranch, and that might have been
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: the first time, but it said study the past.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: That's the name of the ranch. The name of the
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: hot the ranch is studied the past.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: Now we've both figuratively and literally, we've we've seen and
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: heard many of the catches talk about the past. The
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: way the whole show right now is is constructed is
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: bouncing back and forth between the past. We're still in
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: the past apparently right now as we continue on, and
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: the fact that you really need to study the detail,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: study the people, study the moves that they make, study
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: study just everything Macan keeps talking about the people, the
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: people who live there back in the day, you know,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: the original tribes, Sue and all the people, and how
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: he's trying to stop that from happening again. Why not
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: to say that you can't be a history buff But
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: like why is he so interested in like why does
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: he keep using that as his reference about not being colonized?
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: Is he have some connection to that? You know, yes
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: he's a white man, but is there some type of
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: other connection there that we don't know?
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: Because, like I say, whoever is this man hunter or
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: whether it's the sheriff or whether it's his wife has
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: been feeding them this information that you could get Colin's
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: at any point. There are aliens out there who will
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: run through you. Here I got the guns for you.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: Though, I think the more important notes there from Study
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: the Past being the name of the ranch being that
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: it gives me kind.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: Of like a ros phos kind of situation of.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: Like the crash landing of Alvincer likely happened on.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: The location of that ranch.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: Study the Past means like whatever, they're Hodden on that
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: land because they're not just like being protective of like
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: the each other, or they're not being a militia for
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: the town. They're protecting people coming into that property. So
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: there are things that happened in the past literally on
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: that land that they do not want people to get into.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 6: Know.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: So how getting shot by the sniper despite being told
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: not to do that, to come out to property, that
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: was a lesson not just in power and stakeholding and
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: you know, power lying where you believe it to lie,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: It was a lesson in they do not want anyone
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: who has any information about anything related to aliens that
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: to be on that land and make any suspicious clues
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: and theories about what happened in that place before. And
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: I wonder if that is the sight of Alvin Sar's
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: crash landing, what was hal doing in that airspace at
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: that time? Where did he actually meet Alvincer? Like, so
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: there's just like a lot of mystery, Like there's something
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: but it's something specifically about that ranch, something specifically about
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: nineteen eighty six and whenever how got the ring Alvincer Manhunters.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: There's just like a lot of questions around that space
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: that I think.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: The name of the ranch is a clue to that.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: It's not just because we get we keep getting told
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: the history of the land as known by earthlings, but
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: that is for a reason. That is because that's what
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: Macan wants you to keep hearing from him. He's not
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: telling you about the thing he doesn't want you to
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: hear from from him. So I think that's a really
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: good kind of like misdirection kind of thing. And like,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: while we're on things, you want to point out I
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: did want to point out that the same It's kind
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: of like the flip of John letting the bird go
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: going at the same time as how puts on the
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: suit that he says he doesn't want to wear. Like
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: their willingness to like do things that are against what
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: they actually want to do against self abandonment is really
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: interesting and they both have it in interesting ways, and
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: that might be vital to like the idea of like
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: willpower and being a green lantern.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: Like want to dig into that at some point.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: And also the fact that he meets up with Sinestro,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: and when he says to Sinestro, what do you know
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: about manhunters? Sinestro's like, okay, Like we can talk about manhunters,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: but it's not even your greatest threat right now. And
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: the first thing that comes out of his mouth after
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: he says you're great, Like what your greatest threat is?
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: John? Tell me about John?
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: And so it's it's like a clear parallel of like, yes,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: How was the one who was Scenestra's downfall, so like
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: protege to protege, like that can be your biggest direct
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: kind of situation. I don't know, again, don't know if
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: this is a misdirection from us from the writers for
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: us to like consider that this is the lane that
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: How might go on, or that Sinestra might point him to,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: or that's just kind of like where we're leaving a
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: greater conversation where we talk about a greater threat and
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: John might be the key to like getting into that.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: So that's interesting to me. I also think it's like
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: just like the idea that the Manhunters being part of,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: like then when you were bringing that at like the
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: theories around Mandhunters and how it is that Sinestro went
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: on his whole trajectory the go gets the Guardians. I
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: just I don't know, it's interesting that what has been
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: revealed prior to us being privy to what's going on
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: in this universe, like with off screen versus what we're
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: going to get on screen, like why would Sinestro and
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: John have already I mean, and how already had had
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: some part of this conversation before.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: It's interesting to me.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: And then my final thing was that in the after
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: show they mentioned that where Hell is like in middle
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: age is that he's seeing that there's more road behind
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: him than ahead of him when it comes to life
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: and like the career and journey and everything like that,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: So when it comes to love, life and everything else,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: like his home is like a symbol for home not
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: really being a home, and his life really isn't a life.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: And so when we see him in Sinestro, that's why
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: I've questions about like what was the tenor of their relationship,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: because why are we just now having these deeper conversations.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: House is not a home, that's a fact, right.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 6: Chair is still a chair though, But.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: So with that, I picked up the same thing you
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: did with you know ut saying you know, John's your
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: greatest threat. And of course, like Sneestroe becomes like a
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: yellow lantern core leader, right, and if we're going on
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: the emotional spectrum, like yellow represents fear, and so I'm like,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: in that moment, maybe snee stro's just messing with How
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: trying to plant that fear like this dude is here
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: to replace you, you know, Tucker Carlson and all that.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 5: But then you know it's also just like, okay, well,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 5: what how is John perceived right now? Like because their
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 5: relationship is contentious in the first episode. Obviously, by the
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: end of How's life, there's great reverence there because he's
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: crying when he sees his dead body or what he
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: believes is his dead body. But then even along the
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 5: lines of yellow, right, like you brought up Ben just
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: the maybe the Red Lancers are here, but when I
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 5: saw them like you know, hit him with the gun
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 5: to show them their memories, that was yellow.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 6: I'm like, Okay, is there a parallax at work here? Like,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 6: what's what's going on? For real? So I'm just curious
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 6: to see where they go with it, m all right.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Well, a couple of last things as well, because you
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: were talking about loss and love and life. Another character
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: that I haven't looked to see if they were cast
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: or even in this series, but that plays a big
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: part with how is Carol Ferris? And Carol is like
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: the Mary Jane to how you know Peter Parker and
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: the fact that she's not been seen. You know, we
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: don't see any type of love life for how But
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: like Portia said, he's already had a lot of life,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: you know, so maybe she was already there. He's already
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: lost her. Now back to the bigger picture. One thing
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: that James Dunn said a while back that didn't really
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: made sense to me then was how important lanyards was
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: to the bigger picture of the DCU. And one of
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: the biggest or most well known events ever come out
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: of Green Lantern was Blackest Night, where the Black Lanterns
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: rise up and a bunch of zombie five versions of
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of DC characters become Black Lanterns. And we've
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: already seen hints that the Black Lanterns are involved. We've
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: seen hints that the Red Lanterns are involved in this,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: you know, the Sinestro Coors. So we're definitely and I
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: knew that, and I said that before that when I
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: saw the show was named Lanterns, that that we were
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: going to get into all the different various colors of
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: the lantern cores and all that, that it wasn't just
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: going to be about green lanterns. You know, that was
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: my guess from early so that seems to be the case,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: and I feel like that might be the big mega event.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they would build to that like
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: Black at Night, I don't know. I'm one of those
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: people who find Black and Life to be a big
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: corny Zombies are always a big corner to me. It started
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: off really dope, but I can't lie, so, you know
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: it did. It just kind of fell apart at the
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: end with white lads. You know, it's just okay, whenever
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: you introduced a white lantern as the greatest lantern, it's just.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like the premacy there.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was a white dude who was the
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: white lantern?
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: It was just like Blackest Night started off so dope
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: and then it just got to that and.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: Was something like robes andods.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I just did not feel good, you know, just
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: I guess I'm in here.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So, so, so what's going on? Yeah, just about
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: like what to look for going forward? I saw in
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: the preview, I think the next episode. I mean, they've
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: been moving so far ahead in the previews and we're
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: not exactly there, but it looks like he might get
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: to the Guardians in the next episode, at least John
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: will and had that conversation. You know, they asked you,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: you know say most people at this point asked why me?
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: You know, why did I get chosen? John says he
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: knows why, and you know, giving something that backstory, are
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: we going to see like the literal scenes of what
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: happened when he was a child and when the lanterns
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: or ring came to him, Like what we're gonna see?
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: I think so? I think we're also we also saw
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: his father shoot at the television spring when he sees
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: how in his original costume fully done up in the past,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: I think we're gonna get a lot more flashback and
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: see a lot of like you know, early Hall and
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: early John. So perhaps we do get some answer to
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: you know what crash there, Why did Avansar have the
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: Man Hunter? Did Sinestro have the Man Hunter? You know,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: all these type of things. We're definitely gonna see some
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: more of that conversation or at least the aftermath of
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: the conversation with Sinatro, So we'll definitely get more of
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: that information as well.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, bj unfortuate, what do you guys want to
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: see or think we're going to see?
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I mean, I'm I'm excited.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 5: Really, I'm intrigued by Ben's theory that John Senior, you know,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 5: perhaps was passed up for the role of Lantern and
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 5: then how got it? So that's why he's so invested
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 5: in Okay, like what's going on and like when my
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 5: son has a chance, he's gonna be ready. I love
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: that as an idea. But I also just to your
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 5: point about the h the Man, well just lanterns really
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 5: having a chance to expand the universe. I think it
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 5: was really smart to make this a TV series because
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: all the criticism of the DC us like why are
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 5: we looking so hard at Superman and like, you know,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 5: super why would we leave with Superman then Supergirl? But
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 5: like in the comics, the Manhunter or the Guardians are
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 5: like basically the architects of the DC universe as the
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 5: oldest beings, and so so much of what we know
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 5: about DC's spawns from all this deep Lord that we're
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 5: gonna end up well hopefully end up looking at through
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 5: this Lantern show. So making this a TV series as
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 5: opposed to a two hour movie like Chalk full of
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 5: space effects and stuff like, it's dope. I really want
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 5: to get to what makes John tick emotionally, because like,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 5: having willpower is cool, but it's you know, it's like
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 5: courage isn't the absence of fear, but it's like you
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: move on despite it, so it's not Okay. What is
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 5: it that really drives John emotionally as opposed to like
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 5: just following order to just being stoic?
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 6: What makes him really worthy? I'm excited to dig into that.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: On that note, I do think that, like it's interesting
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: that the one thing that he tells how that isn't
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: specifically something that we heard. I don't remember hearing a
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: non or his group mentioning.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: That's to him.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: That it's like actually kind of exceptional that he's able
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: to have that construct without the ring and.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: The fact that like how it's just kind of like yeah,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, sure whatever.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: I think that the previews showing like Jasmine Seph has
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: shown as like the young version of his mom makes
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: me interested in seeing like what because I think again,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: the order of it, all of the writing we see
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: this bird represents into it end this episode and a
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: preview of seeing his young mother and the next episode,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: and I feel like we're going to see some of
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: those parallels and what that means. We also get a
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: glimpse of his mother seeing him with the apple on
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: his head and his father pointing a gun like she's witnessing. Yeah.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: So I'm it's interesting because I think Ben has mentioned like, oh,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: like is it his mom who's the betrayer or the
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: one who's deceived him or whatever in his past or whatever?
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, is it not his parents? Is it not?
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: Like it could like and we've been it could be
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: inches so many times. It could be. It could be
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: so many people who deceived him in the past.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: So as like BJ's talking about, like what makes him tick,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: there's just so many layers in that. And I feel
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: like next episode, it seems like we're probably gonna get
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: a pretty John centric episode, and I hope we do
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: because I think we before we can move on in
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: the series, it would really help us to know, like
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: what are we working with here?
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: Mm hm. One last note I want to say is
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: Air and Pa is doing a fantastic job on this show.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: Like Kyle, we all knows and established talent. I know Aaron.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: I saw him in that Uh what's that Ruby Ridget?
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: I love that film, and he was braiding it, but
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: to capture the stoicness of John, you know, and then
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: still be able to deliver emotion at the same time.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: It's really well done. So I really want to give
• 1:19:26
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• 1:19:29
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• 1:19:32
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• 1:19:34
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