Latest / Elon Musk Podcast / Tesla Offloads Cybertrucks to SpaceX and xAI
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- 0:01Hey everybody. Welcome back to the Elon Musk
- 0:04Podcast. This is a show where we discuss
- 0:07the critical crossroads that shape SpaceX, Tesla X, The
- 0:11Boring Company, and Neurolink. I'm your host, Will Walden.
- 0:16Tesla has started off loading unsold cyber trucks to Elon's
- 0:20other companies, and this is a big problem with the demand for
- 0:24the cyber truck and also an internal solution that raises
- 0:29some questions here. How does Elon Musk's empire
- 0:35manage its inventory? Tesla has sold fewer than 5400
- 0:40cyber trucks in the US last quarter.
- 0:42Now that brings total 2025 sales to around 16,000, according to
- 0:47Cox Automotive data. And Tesla once projected annual
- 0:50cyber truck deliveries in the hundreds of thousands.
- 0:53Now it's not even on track to sell 25,000 by the end of the
- 0:59year. But at the same time, Tesla
- 1:01overall just had its best quarter ever, helped by A rush
- 1:04of EV buyers trying to beat the expiration of the $7500 federal
- 1:08tax credit. Now that disconnect signals A
- 1:11deeper problem for the truck then for the brand.
- 1:15A shop drop is not just a slowdown.
- 1:18You could say it's a 63% decline compared to the same quarter
- 1:21last year. This level of attrition raises
- 1:24some serious doubt about cyber trucks long term viability as a
- 1:28mass market product. Now I know from first half
- 1:32knowledge of people in the industry, second hand cyber
- 1:36trucks, they're for resale. They are not flying off the
- 1:40shelves. People are not that interested
- 1:42in a cyber truck. I know somebody who's had a
- 1:46cyber truck at Perfectly Fine Cyber truck, great price,
- 1:53sitting on their lot for months and months and months.
- 1:56Usually Tesla's fly off their shelves, fly off their
- 1:59showrooms, fly off the yards, and this one sits there.
- 2:04They don't buy cyber trucks anymore.
- 2:06There's no reason. Do they sell a bunch of model
- 2:08threes, Model YS, some Model S S, some model XS, but the cyber
- 2:13trucks, they just cannot sell them and the Tesla dealer nearby
- 2:18for first hand experience. And I know this is a you know,
- 2:21this isn't data that's been collected from a broad range.
- 2:25I haven't seen a cyber truck sold from their lot.
- 2:29They don't move. And it's, it's a, it's a shame
- 2:33because Tesla makes some great things.
- 2:36And, you know, the, the ambition was hundreds of thousands of
- 2:39cyber trucks per year. Well, that's not happening now.
- 2:44Tesla had to scale back production of Gigafactory Texas.
- 2:48But even with lower output inventory piled up, Musk's other
- 2:54companies are now stepping in as the buyers.
- 2:56If they can't sell them to the general public, sell them to
- 2:59SpaceX, sell them to XAI. Both of those companies have
- 3:03begun taking delivery of those excess cyber trucks.
- 3:06Tesla has shipped several loads of the vehicles to both
- 3:09companies in recent weeks, and it's SpaceX.
- 3:11Cyber trucks are being used to replace internal combustion
- 3:14vehicles at launch and research sites.
- 3:18Has been cyber truck spottings at Starbase, and they've been
- 3:24hauling around engines. They've been hauling around all
- 3:28sorts of things down there. It's a heavy load, basically.
- 3:31The cyber truck seems to be keeping up with it now.
- 3:35XAI is receiving them for internal use, although the scope
- 3:40of deployment remains kind of unclear.
- 3:42It's an AI company. Why do they need trucks?
- 3:46Unless they're training the trucks with something?
- 3:48I'm not sure what's going on with that, but X AI bought some
- 3:51of them. They help absorb production
- 3:54overflow from Tesla though. That's what they do because they
- 3:58can't sell them to the public. Nobody wants a cyber truck now.
- 4:01They're cool, they're unique, but nobody really wants it.
- 4:05It's not practical for a lot of people now.
- 4:07This setup creates an internal loop of capital in product that
- 4:10keeps unsold inventory from turning into a liability.
- 4:14Also raises questions about how much demand for Cybertruck
- 4:17exists outside of like this tight knit group of Tesla
- 4:22supervans or people that are interested in new technology.
- 4:26Tesla has not disclosed how many Cybertrucks each entity has
- 4:29taken or whether those deals are booked as full revenue.
- 4:33Without that detail, it's impossible to assess the real
- 4:35financial value of these transactions.
- 4:38The vehicle themselves are around $60,000 to start and can
- 4:43climb much higher with add-ons. Over 100,000 means in internal
- 4:48purchase. All of these could rack up
- 4:51sizable internal expenditures. Tesla, SpaceX, XAI share board
- 4:56members, engineers, and logistics teams.
- 4:59They're part of a big umbrella. They operate more like an
- 5:02intrepid conglomeration as opposed to separate companies,
- 5:06and transactions between them can seem like operational
- 5:12necessity and also a balance sheet strategy.
- 5:17A Tesla just has to offload those cyber trucks.
- 5:19Who's going to buy them? I don't know.
- 5:20Elon knows a bunch of people, or he finds A use for them in one
- 5:25of his companies, or finds the use for them temporarily, so it
- 5:29looks good on the Tesla sheets for investors.
- 5:33The next month, Tesla shareholders will vote on
- 5:36whether to invest directly in XAI.
- 5:38That vote could formalize a financial relationship between
- 5:41the companies, locking in shared incentives, and if passed, it
- 5:45will mean Tesla, a publicly traded company, will have a
- 5:49direct ownership stake in Musk's private AI firm.
- 5:52That has another layer to how resources like vehicles,
- 5:55infrastructure and even personnel are moved between
- 5:58these businesses now. The cyber truck itself has
- 6:02struggled to find a stable audience, though.
- 6:04At launch, Musk called it an apocalypse proof vehicle with
- 6:08unmatched specs, but real world feedback has been mixed.
- 6:12Owners have reported issues with range, visibility and
- 6:15serviceability. It's massive size.
- 6:18It's made out of steel, so stainless steel.
- 6:22If it gets hot outside, stainless steel gets extremely
- 6:26hot too. You don't want your kids around
- 6:27that thing. It's sharp angles.
- 6:30It's and also those sharp angles can become sharp metal.
- 6:34Stainless steel build made it stand out.
- 6:36It looks different, but it's not always in a way that translates
- 6:41to sales. So you went driving down the
- 6:43highway, you're like, whoa, look at that thing.
- 6:45But is that what everybody needs?
- 6:48It's very niche sort of product. Now, this design has also boxed
- 6:56Tesla into a smaller addressable market than expected.
- 6:59Doesn't fit easily into most garages.
- 7:02It's bulky that lacks the towing capacity of traditional full
- 7:05size trucks, and it remains expensive even in a market
- 7:09flooded with EV incentives. And the hyper on the truck
- 7:11reveal hasn't converted into long term momentum.
- 7:15Without internal consumption, Tesla would be sitting on far
- 7:18more excess units. What makes this move strategic
- 7:24more strategic than a typical fleet sale is the context.
- 7:28AI labs like XAI need specialized hardware and mobile
- 7:33platforms for real world deployment of robotics and
- 7:35sensors. SpaceX runs operations in remote
- 7:39or extreme environments like Starbase.
- 7:42Cybertruck with its off road capabilities and large battery
- 7:46could make sense in both scenarios.
- 7:48But that justification doesn't really change the fact that
- 7:51these are still intra company buys.
- 7:55They're not consumers, they're just Elon unloading things to
- 7:59his other companies that he thinks they could use, or
- 8:02somebody in the company thinks they could use somebody in
- 8:05Tesla. The Musk is often used one
- 8:08company's assets to support another.
- 8:10Tesla engineers help design hardware for Neuralink.
- 8:13SpaceX resources supported Starlink's early Build X AI runs
- 8:18inference using Tesla's compute infrastructure.
- 8:22The Cybertruck transfers continue that pattern with A
- 8:26twist. This time, the products involved
- 8:28were underperforming in the open market, and if Tesla can't
- 8:32generate real consumer demand for Cybertruck, internal
- 8:35transfers won't fit the core issue.
- 8:38They may prop up short term numbers, but they don't expand
- 8:41the customer base or prove that the vehicle works in public
- 8:44markets. These sales are useful for
- 8:47optics and to nudge up the price of the stock a little bit, but
- 8:52it's not a substitute for actual consumer traction.
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