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It Takes Two with Catherine Cohen and Pat Regan · The Bechdel Cast

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Speaker 1: On the beck Doll Cast, the questions asked if movies
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Speaker 1: have women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends
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Speaker 1: and husbands, or do they have individualism the patriarchy zef
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Speaker 1: invest start changing it with the Beckdel Casts. Hello, welcome
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Speaker 1: to the Betel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus. My
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Speaker 1: name is Caitlin. Druntis is our podcast about the betrayal
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Speaker 1: of women in movies and how Hollywood fox it up
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Speaker 1: almost constantly. Caitlin language sorry early in the podcast. I've
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Speaker 1: read the reviews and they say we're vulgar and we
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Speaker 1: us on iTunes. Hey. The Bechtel Test, if you don't
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Speaker 1: know what that is, is a media test created by
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Speaker 1: cartoonist Alison Bechdel, and it requires that a piece of media,
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Speaker 1: a movie perhaps, has two female identifying characters with names,
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Speaker 1: they must speak to each other, and their conversation connot
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Speaker 1: be about and yeah, do you think it'd be easy button?
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Speaker 1: Most movies, a lot of them don't, anyway, So we
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Speaker 1: use that as a as a way to kick off
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Speaker 1: a conversation about women in movies, and we're gonna do
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Speaker 1: that again today. We're the same thing every freaking time,
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Speaker 1: every fucking time. Over too funny, Jesus. Okay, So today
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Speaker 1: we're featuring an iconic duo that we've never featured on
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Speaker 1: this show before, and so it only seemed fitting that
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Speaker 1: we bring in an iconic duo to cover it with us. Yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: so without much further ado. Their panic, they're they're holding hands. Um.
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Speaker 1: They are comedians and they are the host of the
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Speaker 1: Seek Treatment podcasts on the Forever Dog Network. It's Katherine
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Speaker 1: Cohen and Pat Reagan. Oh my god, please only talking
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Speaker 1: union the entire episode? Can I say? That's on? One
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Speaker 1: day we were chatting with Catherine's abroad lover Sure Broad remember,
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Speaker 1: but we were both face timing him, and I brought
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Speaker 1: into apartment. She was facing him, so I started talking
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Speaker 1: and he was like, Hey, you guys talk alike. He's like,
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Speaker 1: you talk how she does. So you're reeling very strong.
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Speaker 1: I think I have a guess, fresh mat it. If
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Speaker 1: I tried to do like Australian accent, it comes out
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Speaker 1: as Japanese. I tried to do a British accent. It
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Speaker 1: comes out as Midwestern, like I trying to do any accent.
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Speaker 1: Besides like British or Southern. It sounds like a sim
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Speaker 1: like scorging dort. Wait, you guys have never had to
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Speaker 1: do it before. No, oh no we did. We had
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Speaker 1: one for Debs. We had a duo for Black Panther
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Speaker 1: was also there was a duo actually just made the
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Speaker 1: South or fifth time. But did you say that you
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Speaker 1: wanted to hear that. I wanted to hear the ones
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Speaker 1: that we've brought in that iconic to her. But you
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Speaker 1: know what, No, you're the first. Canonically you're the first
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Speaker 1: will reverse all the numbers and time. What's so crazy
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Speaker 1: about time is that we though we experience it literally, Um,
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Speaker 1: that's not how it exists. It's actually cyplical it Why
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Speaker 1: is it so long? Time? I'm trying to move through
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Speaker 1: some pain I'm experiencing, and it woc It's insane. I
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Speaker 1: feel like I've been alive for a million years and
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Speaker 1: I time I so long. But also what talks by
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Speaker 1: this time is also so short, Like I'll be I'll
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Speaker 1: be kind of lying. They're looking at the ceiling all
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Speaker 1: the time. I'm not even getting it sixteen hours later
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Speaker 1: looking at me. Sometimes the day starts and we're like,
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Speaker 1: it's already three. But thank you guys for having us
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Speaker 1: as the point. Oh my god, you're so welcome. So
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Speaker 1: we're talking to you about the movie. It takes two.
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Speaker 1: What is the both of your history your relationship with
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Speaker 1: this it's American American actually big screen Steve Guttenberg, Wetton shirtless,
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Speaker 1: Curciale halez new I have we have one question before
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Speaker 1: we started, and we're gonna ask you guys this question,
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Speaker 1: and you need answer honestly, and I don't look it up.
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Speaker 1: How old do you think Ali is today? Right now?
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Speaker 1: So I can answer? But isn't it crazy? I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Can I guess yes today today as we sit in
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Speaker 1: this podcast studio, I would guess sixty three sixty eight years.
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Speaker 1: That's more what I thought. But she didn't start doing
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Speaker 1: like acting until she was like thirty. For me, broke
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Speaker 1: am No, I would like to say, to bring it
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Speaker 1: back to the point of the podcast. Um, thank you
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Speaker 1: so much. It takes two. Now, Mary Kate and asturally
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Speaker 1: raised me there, raised you to an extent. Yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: not only did they raised me, they invented me. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Holiday in the Sun, Passport to Paris. I thought, when
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Speaker 1: I go on a vacation, I'm going to get kissed.
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Speaker 1: It wouldn't be years later, ten years even before I
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Speaker 1: did get kissed upon first to Paris. But I come
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Speaker 1: to it takes two and this is sort of this
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Speaker 1: was in theaters. Am I right? Yes? Se Gutenberg, who
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Speaker 1: invented the print press, who invented jeans. She's like, I
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Speaker 1: picture her like, she's amazing hair. She invented a certain
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Speaker 1: kind of hair. She has credit for the most specific
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Speaker 1: mom hairstyle. Beautiful. My experience on the movie is that
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Speaker 1: it taught me that I like sloppy Joes. So you
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Speaker 1: grew up with this movie, Katherine, you saw it a
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Speaker 1: bunch kind of thing. Okay, Pat, what about you? My
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Speaker 1: relationship was I, like, I like one best friend. Growing up.
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Speaker 1: We would have severatch movies and we would watch like
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Speaker 1: Roman Mitchell's High School Union, or like It Takes Two
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Speaker 1: recent episode of Ours. Yeah, totally great film. That movie. Literally,
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Speaker 1: it's what I watched when I want a quite comedy.
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Speaker 1: Every single day I Watvie. So I watched that movie
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Speaker 1: every single day. But that is such a specific vibe
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Speaker 1: movie when you're just ready to quit. Yeah, but so
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Speaker 1: we loved it Takes two. For some reason, I remember
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Speaker 1: going to Blockbuster and getting it. There's just certain lines
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Speaker 1: of it that I've always remembered, Like I've always remembered
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Speaker 1: the part where the social workers going taking took away
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Speaker 1: one of them and she runs into the office and
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Speaker 1: they're like, what do you want us to do? Lie
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Speaker 1: down in front of the van, and she's like, I
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Speaker 1: would have actually the funk down. Um, you have a
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Speaker 1: crush on that adoption guy. I have a crushed on
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Speaker 1: the main guy. I have a crush on the camp
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Speaker 1: like Jim Teacher or whatever. And I have a crush
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Speaker 1: on the abusive adoptive. It was. I wrote that down
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Speaker 1: and then I looked I looked him up. I was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: he was young when he did that. He's like twenty
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Speaker 1: five years old. And that I was like, hello, you called,
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Speaker 1: I said, I was like, he's really young. I also
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Speaker 1: was like the butt kisses the couple Like, I was
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Speaker 1: like they you can tell that couple was like that,
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Speaker 1: that duo just like it was a cracking up the
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Speaker 1: crew on set and I got back the photo and like, oh,
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Speaker 1: this isn't that great? But whatever? Um? But I was
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Speaker 1: of love like Maryka and actually like obviously watchful hospital.
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Speaker 1: Then I watched like um on ABC Family there was
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Speaker 1: Little Time No not that was but adventures no adventures,
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Speaker 1: no no, no no, no stops up to be kind
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Speaker 1: to so many shots because there was the Adventures of
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Speaker 1: Mary Kay and Nashally too. What's that that was? Like?
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Speaker 1: That might have been like a video we Save any
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Speaker 1: Crime by Dinner Time? Yes, yes that was, yes, the
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Speaker 1: Haunted episode where the beekeepers, Oh my god, an incredible episodes. Second,
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Speaker 1: but I always remember a moment in an episode of
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Speaker 1: was what you just said? So Little Time where one
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Speaker 1: of them gets addicted to massages at the coffee She
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Speaker 1: can't stop getting massages. That's me, Like six, I got
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Speaker 1: a massage in public at Bonaru thank you, and I
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Speaker 1: was like, this is turned bad to get fully massage
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Speaker 1: will laying done in public? It's something you shouldn't. You've
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Speaker 1: gone all the way up to the line. I don't
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Speaker 1: like massages. Professional were like they were they think it's
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Speaker 1: like they hurt, but yeah, like you and your sex partner,
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Speaker 1: like if it's like a sex. One of my favorite
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Speaker 1: kinds of porn is massage porn, That's true. It's a
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Speaker 1: whole category of gay porn where it's like a guy's
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Speaker 1: going into a sports massage and like he's just like
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Speaker 1: a college football player, and then like the guy starts
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Speaker 1: like paying a lot of attention to the ass in there,
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Speaker 1: and they like totally not to take a dick up
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Speaker 1: his ask. But it's perfectly wax. So it takes two.
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Speaker 1: So Steve Guenberg does look sexy. Oh my god, he's
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Speaker 1: got a very square mill his shoulders. He looks like
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Speaker 1: six different people, let's name them the guy from Cone
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Speaker 1: trying to kids. He also does, I mean hunky, a
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Speaker 1: little bit like Billy Crystal, like Dennis Quaid, but only
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Speaker 1: because this movie is the parent Trap. Yeah, it is.
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Speaker 1: The movie is the parent Trap. And he kind of intector,
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Speaker 1: saying it's also a Princeton and Paper. It's not. Actually
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Speaker 1: you've read whatever you know. I believe you need to
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Speaker 1: for one second get over the fact that I was
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Speaker 1: an English minor near a book. Jamie. What's your history
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Speaker 1: with the movie. Um, I saw it when I was
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Speaker 1: really for some reason, my household was not a Mary
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Speaker 1: Kate Nashley household. I think my mom did not care
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Speaker 1: for them. But my best friend Lindsay growing up had
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Speaker 1: a very Mary Kay Nashurally household. So all my memories
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Speaker 1: with them are like tied to like hanging out with
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Speaker 1: her and like we would go I would go over
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Speaker 1: and we would watch as many as possible before I
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Speaker 1: would have to go home. So I'm talking the sleepover tapes,
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Speaker 1: talking the mystery tapes and talking it takes two password
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Speaker 1: to Paris. Billboard Dad my personal favorite, and this one,
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Speaker 1: this is not my favorite one, but it's you know,
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Speaker 1: I love. I think that this is the only one
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Speaker 1: that was like in theaters like until until New York
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Speaker 1: minute many years. O loved New York. Jean Levy on
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Speaker 1: the cover. Also, Jared Palecki is in that movie, and
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Speaker 1: who is that? To me? He is he is from
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Speaker 1: a cultural blind. I'm actually so passionate about this. Dean
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Speaker 1: isn't hot. I don't think he's hot either, but he
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Speaker 1: is irrefutably in that movie. We can't take that from him.
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Speaker 1: I had never seen this movie. I have never seen
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Speaker 1: any Mary Kate n Ashley Olson movie. Wait what you're
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Speaker 1: like the perfect? Aren't you like the same? I'm the
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Speaker 1: I am a month older than them. Are I am
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Speaker 1: actually the third Olson triplet. I just came out a
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Speaker 1: month premature. You know, we're like almost the exact same age.
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Speaker 1: But I don't know. I watched Full House when I
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Speaker 1: was a kid, but I did not engage in any
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Speaker 1: of their film works. But yeah, so I hadn't seen
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Speaker 1: this movie, but I had seen The Parent Trap a
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Speaker 1: million times as a kid. But the Parent Trap came
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Speaker 1: out Lisa Lindsay Lohan one came up three years after
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Speaker 1: It Takes two, so it's hard to tell how much
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Speaker 1: this movie was from. But those Parents Shop was based
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Speaker 1: on the previous right, so it's hard to say how
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Speaker 1: much It Takes Two pulled from the original Parent Trap
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Speaker 1: from like the sixties. What I think happened is they
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Speaker 1: were like, um, and I was, and I wasn't. There
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Speaker 1: wasn't in on these meetings, but right. But I think
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Speaker 1: happened is they were like, this is like the height
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Speaker 1: of of M K and A. And they were like,
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Speaker 1: we need a vehicle for these young girls and theaters.
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Speaker 1: And they were like, well, what can we do? They
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Speaker 1: are twins. They got a Brooklyn accent, and they got
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Speaker 1: us from gently British accent. The British accent comes and
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Speaker 1: goes the party daddy. She's just got good diction and
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Speaker 1: that's British for her. But I think that like they
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Speaker 1: were just like wanting to do a twenty thing and
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Speaker 1: then they're like, well we could do parent trap this stuff,
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Speaker 1: and they're like then they just cut anything that was
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Speaker 1: like difficult plot wise. They're like, let's not make the
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Speaker 1: actual twin like that, Let's just make the magetical changers.
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Speaker 1: And like I think they which I've seen that documentary
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Speaker 1: Three Identical Strangers and it turns out that they were triplets,
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Speaker 1: they were biologically related. It's so crazy that they're just like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: they just happened to look exactly alike. I thought that
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Speaker 1: was really funny. That was like my favorite like weird,
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Speaker 1: confusing plot thing in this movie was that they look
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Speaker 1: like I rewound it to be like, wait a second,
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Speaker 1: is there a moment where like the parents like what
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Speaker 1: sisteresn't you know? The thing tween? Like, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: and so good. But also I love Kirstie's reaction when
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Speaker 1: the butler comes and she like finds out that they're
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Speaker 1: looking exactly like and she's just like that's amazing. Is
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Speaker 1: it amazing. I don't know, he's a social worker, like you,
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Speaker 1: like it seems like you would be the person to
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Speaker 1: be looking into this. She's you know, she's not particular.
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Speaker 1: I mean she I guess she's sort of good at
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Speaker 1: her job. She spends a lot of your time at camp.
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Speaker 1: She has good at her job because she's trying to adopt,
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Speaker 1: Like what are the ethics of her trying to adopt
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Speaker 1: only a single one of these kids that she It's
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Speaker 1: messed up. It is gosh, it is I like that
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Speaker 1: part though in Kirsty, I mean we can we can
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Speaker 1: hit it. In the there's a part where she's in
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Speaker 1: this like Stevie next Black Billowy things. She's walking through
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Speaker 1: the woods. She's like, do I love Steve Gutenberg or not?
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Speaker 1: That was my favorite. Her clothes are so big, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so big. There. I feel like there's like this whole
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Speaker 1: narrative with like Kirsty Alley's like body where like when
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Speaker 1: she's in her forties, because she's in her forties in
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Speaker 1: this movie, and there's like, you know how like Kirsty
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Speaker 1: Alley she was representative for like Jenny Craig forever and
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Speaker 1: actress and like everyone gave her ship about her weight forever,
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Speaker 1: and I think this is around the time where that starts,
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Speaker 1: because the way she's cost him just like kind of
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Speaker 1: bizarre sometimes where she's like put in these like billowy
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Speaker 1: boxy like you're you're not really supposed to be seeing
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Speaker 1: your body, I don't know, a cinched waist on cheers,
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Speaker 1: like like shoulder pads and cinched waist. And then yeah,
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Speaker 1: she was this the polar opposite direction. But I think
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Speaker 1: that like there was like one scene where she was
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Speaker 1: like the high waisted jean. Yes, was that the food
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Speaker 1: food fight scene? No, because she's wearing like a really
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Speaker 1: like size. Yeah. Yeah, it's like she's a kittie. She's
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Speaker 1: a camp to have some fun. Were you so many
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Speaker 1: sweaters at cantel summer? It's summer? Just kiss me off.
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Speaker 1: In movies where there's kids at camp, they're always wearing
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Speaker 1: like flannels. I'm like, it's hot. They probably shot it
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Speaker 1: in November. They're like, it's some stop romanticizing flannel. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So I'll do the recap really quickly of this story
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Speaker 1: and then we'll get into the discussion. Okay, So we
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Speaker 1: meet this little girl named Amanda. She's a tomboy. She's
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Speaker 1: playing baby I'm Walking and she lives at like an
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Speaker 1: orphanage of sorts. And then Diane, which is Kirsty's character,
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Speaker 1: is trying to help find a family to adopt her.
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Speaker 1: So that's her exposition. But I think it's interesting that
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Speaker 1: she has to interview, like it's a job, got to
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Speaker 1: come to your interview for your parents. But I'm just
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Speaker 1: surprised that they make orphans interview for that. I also
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Speaker 1: like the like, right off the bat, she leans out
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Speaker 1: the window and immediately like threatens one of the sweet
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Speaker 1: little girl. She's like, I'm gonna kill you. You're gonna
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Speaker 1: get into the k I said, I'll kill you if
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Speaker 1: you were dressed to play ball. And then the Brooklyn
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Speaker 1: twent is like which they live in the East Side
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Speaker 1: of Manhattan. They re beall but like they is like what,
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Speaker 1: I ain't gonna hurt it or nothing. She's scrappy. She's
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Speaker 1: very scrappy. But in direct contrast to scrappy Amanda, there's
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Speaker 1: Alissa Callaway who looks the exact same as Amanda, but
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Speaker 1: she's a different person and she's rich and she plays
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Speaker 1: the piano and she gets off this private jet. She's
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Speaker 1: sort of British, even though her parents is not British
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Speaker 1: and she doesn't live in England. She has this weird
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Speaker 1: like ash like, I still love hats. I feel like
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Speaker 1: the personality is it's like it's like and this is
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Speaker 1: a classic Alson twin device. It's like it's like a
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Speaker 1: brim hat with the front from like bent up in
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Speaker 1: the Sunflower on it classics twins. They also the backwards
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Speaker 1: baseball cat depending on what their characters, Calton is always
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Speaker 1: well back on, like two sisters are a polar like
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Speaker 1: they were. One loves sports, but one love's fashion. One's
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Speaker 1: more like a boy and one's more like well, Mary
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Speaker 1: kid's always a sporty one, right, and then Ashley is
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Speaker 1: always like more fim, I never pay attention to who
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Speaker 1: to who plays, which, well, that's true and you should
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Speaker 1: be for some reason that it's very important to me.
16:40
Speaker 1: I missed the Olsen Twins, like we were saying, I
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Speaker 1: just had this. We just had this conversation where I
16:44
Speaker 1: was doing them frantics. We were like, are they like,
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Speaker 1: how are they doing that? Are they doing well? And
16:47
Speaker 1: I said, it's the kind of thing where it's like
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Speaker 1: it does it don't seems like they're not doing well.
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Speaker 1: But if you say that, if you ever like say
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Speaker 1: something about the Olden Twins, the other persons like they're
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Speaker 1: actually doing amazing. So what are you finding about? Okay,
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Speaker 1: So are like they have a bunch of like fashion lines. Yeah,
17:04
Speaker 1: but that's what everyone says. They're like, well, they're doing
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Speaker 1: fashion now. And then their other sister who looks also
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Speaker 1: exactly like them. Yeah, yeah, and she's in like the
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Speaker 1: Avengers movies. I want some movie where she was. It's
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Speaker 1: called Liberal Arts with Ted mose B from How Your
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Speaker 1: Mother Seen It. Okay, so back to the story. So
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Speaker 1: there are these two girls who look identical, but you
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Speaker 1: know they come from different walks of life. And then
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Speaker 1: Alyssa meets she like meets up with her father, who
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Speaker 1: Steve Goods, does not show up to Alyssa's private jet,
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Speaker 1: very rude. The butler shows up to the private jet, right,
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Speaker 1: but there's no handshake like in right but a butler
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Speaker 1: kind of raising a child. And I think, like this
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Speaker 1: whole movie makes if I'm ever rich, God for bed,
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Speaker 1: I want to be like the kind of rich people
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Speaker 1: are in like mid nineties movies, or you for sure
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Speaker 1: have like a house of like kind of like servants
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Speaker 1: that are just like walking on with potters butlers. We
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Speaker 1: need platters, we need a circular tiveway, we need like
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Speaker 1: indoor pool. I'm gonna get I'm gonna get legally married
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Speaker 1: to like the bitchy woman who's like the stepmom and
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Speaker 1: all these movies, Like I'm going to have that white
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Speaker 1: for sure in this movie. Her name is Clarisse Kensington Larise.
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Speaker 1: So Elyssa meets her and she's like, who's this woman?
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Speaker 1: She's engaged to Steve Guttenberg's character, but she doesn't know
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Speaker 1: that yet. How do we think they met? Yeah, they
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Speaker 1: do not say they only met like a fundraising event.
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Speaker 1: Because she says, this is where I feel like the
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Speaker 1: it does a little better than the parent Trap because
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Speaker 1: she's like she's supposed to be like a climbing socialite
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Speaker 1: or whatever. But then Meredith and the parent Trap has
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Speaker 1: a job and is super successful, but it's just like
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Speaker 1: trying to marry him anyways. I was like, but it
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Speaker 1: seems like you're fine anyways, lady. I mean, she's just
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Speaker 1: kind of like she's like a socialite cartoon right something.
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Speaker 1: These characters are ever well, doesn't got the big shells.
19:03
Speaker 1: I do think she looks stunning. In the engagement party scene,
19:07
Speaker 1: she's wearing the green dress like her like necklace and
19:11
Speaker 1: earrings are really nice. I was like, howd romantic feeling
19:13
Speaker 1: stars Jewish friend comes up and I'm like, that's me.
19:19
Speaker 1: I did book that role. So Alyssa gets upset that
19:24
Speaker 1: Clarissa is so mean, and she finds out that she's
19:27
Speaker 1: getting married to her father, so she's like, I'm running away. Meanwhile,
19:32
Speaker 1: Amanda is going to summer camp on the same lake
19:36
Speaker 1: that this like giant estate where Listen now lives, and
19:41
Speaker 1: like Steve Guttenberg's dead wife started the camp. We never
19:45
Speaker 1: learned her name, We never learned anything except died. During
19:48
Speaker 1: child person the scene because they were yelling over the
19:53
Speaker 1: cafeteria and he's like, my wife died. Alyssa was born,
19:57
Speaker 1: and I was like, my daughter killed my wife. That
20:03
Speaker 1: scene is so wild, like the way that's delivered, because
20:07
Speaker 1: after he said, he's like, she died giving birth to Alyssa,
20:10
Speaker 1: and Kirsty Alli just like wins this and it's like,
20:12
Speaker 1: oh sorry, and then they continue the the whole point
20:17
Speaker 1: of that. It's like for Kirsty Ally's characters in her
20:20
Speaker 1: head was like, oh your single. Yeah, it's like a
20:24
Speaker 1: weird flirty moment of learning that someone's wife has been
20:27
Speaker 1: dead for ten years. Perhaps they're single. Oh god, Okay.
20:32
Speaker 1: So then so Amanda is with like all of her
20:35
Speaker 1: camp friends and they dare her to ring the doorbell
20:39
Speaker 1: of this huge house because they're like, it's haunted, so
20:42
Speaker 1: like ring the doorbell. So she does, and then Vincenzo
20:46
Speaker 1: the butler, opens the door and he sees Amanda and
20:49
Speaker 1: thinks it's Alyssa because again they are identical strangers, so
20:54
Speaker 1: he brings her butler. And then Diane finds Alyssa, who
20:58
Speaker 1: would run away to like a hundred yards away. Uh.
21:02
Speaker 1: So she's like, hey, Amanda, and then she brings Alyssa
21:06
Speaker 1: thinking it's Amanda back to the camp and there's a
21:09
Speaker 1: football game that makes Alyssa run back into the woods
21:15
Speaker 1: just as Amanda is running away from the house. And
21:18
Speaker 1: then then they bump into each other strangers again. Yes,
21:23
Speaker 1: so there's like an extra step that doesn't need to
21:25
Speaker 1: be there. They could have just like yeah. But then
21:27
Speaker 1: I feel like the movie seemed like an end of Votus,
21:29
Speaker 1: you know. I was like, oh, they had to shut
21:30
Speaker 1: this out, so they decide to switch places. And why
21:36
Speaker 1: do they decide to switch places? So Amanda is going
21:39
Speaker 1: to pretend to be Alyssa because she's so good at
21:41
Speaker 1: scaring off parents because she's an orphan and no one
21:43
Speaker 1: wants to adopt her. Got it? But then it's not
21:46
Speaker 1: clear why Alyssa wants to go to the camp and
21:50
Speaker 1: pretend to be Amanda. Yeah, I think it's kind of
21:53
Speaker 1: like a grass is always creen no situation because they
21:55
Speaker 1: did set up a lot, like neither of them are
21:56
Speaker 1: like happy in their lives and like one it's always
21:59
Speaker 1: like I want. I think that they were both like
22:03
Speaker 1: like the one wanted like parents and the other one
22:06
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, it's really it's like what's
22:10
Speaker 1: it like to have friends? So when they reunite the
22:13
Speaker 1: next day, Amanda is like Clarice has gone, but only
22:17
Speaker 1: for a week. And then Alyssa's like ship like too bad,
22:21
Speaker 1: Diane can't be my mom because they had like bonded
22:23
Speaker 1: with each other. So they get the idea and all
22:26
Speaker 1: of her It's like the Chessie of this. I like
22:30
Speaker 1: the Chessie gets to really shine and it gets to
22:33
Speaker 1: be the romantic interest finally, right mid forties romantically, Chris
22:39
Speaker 1: comes through, so then they get the idea to have
22:45
Speaker 1: Diane try to meet Steve Guttenberg in the hopes that
22:49
Speaker 1: they will fall in love. So they orchestrate this whole
22:52
Speaker 1: like horse riding encounter. Steveberg's horse outfit is off the
22:58
Speaker 1: chart is a quest tree and where the gloves don't
23:02
Speaker 1: forget the moment where he is writing with one of
23:06
Speaker 1: the girls. I don't remember which one it is, but
23:08
Speaker 1: he says something like he asks her a question and
23:12
Speaker 1: then she responds with are you asking me in a questrian?
23:16
Speaker 1: It's meant to be a play on words, but it's
23:20
Speaker 1: we have the l I guess it's an attempted a joke.
23:26
Speaker 1: He did look so hot in his like writing off
23:28
Speaker 1: when he was I was like cool. I think this
23:34
Speaker 1: movie is actually really cool. So so Diane and Steve
23:40
Speaker 1: Gutenberg's character, which do we know his name? Roger Rogers
23:45
Speaker 1: actually Steenberg. So Diana and Roger and me and Steve
23:52
Speaker 1: do you Steve Guenberg's character take closer to be your wife?
23:58
Speaker 1: Steve Guenberg also even years younger than Kirstiality radical. I
24:03
Speaker 1: love that this movie is political. Okay, So so Roger
24:10
Speaker 1: and Diane. They meet and the sparks are flying. They
24:13
Speaker 1: are very interested in rebbed up from riding those fucking horses. Yeah,
24:18
Speaker 1: there's one is coming. She's bouncing everything I'm about. There's
24:32
Speaker 1: a lot of there's like a lot of chemistry between
24:35
Speaker 1: them too. I was like, because usually with these movies,
24:37
Speaker 1: you're just like, yeah, that was no way. But I
24:38
Speaker 1: was like, man, I could, I could. I would watch
24:40
Speaker 1: the Yeah, oh my god, I'm so horny lately. So
24:47
Speaker 1: then they hang out at camp a little bit. There's
24:50
Speaker 1: this big food fight. They almost kiss, but then they
24:53
Speaker 1: get interrupted. Is it usually happens because they can't kiss?
24:57
Speaker 1: Oh my god? But no, isn't that scene interrupted by
24:59
Speaker 1: the loose golden telescope? Well, yeah, the canoes fall over
25:04
Speaker 1: because that's where the two girls are hiding, but Vincenzo
25:09
Speaker 1: is actively spying on him and the golden tell us Yeah,
25:12
Speaker 1: but then he leaves the room and then Clarice comes
25:15
Speaker 1: back like way early and then looks into the telescope
25:19
Speaker 1: and sees them flirting. So then she's like, fuck, let's
25:21
Speaker 1: got a wedding. The golden telescope is my new favorite
25:26
Speaker 1: plot device. I wanted to be in every movie because
25:29
Speaker 1: that cuts off him watching through the Golden telescope. I
25:32
Speaker 1: like panicked in my hand because he's saying as he's
25:36
Speaker 1: watching through the telescope at Kirsty Alley and Steve Guttenberg
25:40
Speaker 1: flirting a whole lake away. So it's like, it's a
25:43
Speaker 1: it's a nice telescope. They're very wealthy, uh, And he goes,
25:48
Speaker 1: that's more like it. And then he turns and faith
25:51
Speaker 1: and then and then she looks in the sheet and
25:54
Speaker 1: then she sees, yeah, so that's why she's like, I
25:56
Speaker 1: gotta bump up this wedding, gotta trap this man a sap.
26:00
Speaker 1: And then she's trying to send Amanda, who she thinks
26:02
Speaker 1: is Alyssa, away to boarding school. And while that's all happening, Alyssa,
26:07
Speaker 1: who the can't people think is Amanda is being adopted
26:10
Speaker 1: by that lame couple from the beginning who basically just
26:12
Speaker 1: like put her to work into a junkyard, which is
26:15
Speaker 1: like I thought that was like unnecessarily like real, they're
26:20
Speaker 1: just like, oh yeah, and let's also like shed some
26:23
Speaker 1: light on the harsh adoptive practices. And I was like,
26:26
Speaker 1: this is not the movie to be but it's like
26:29
Speaker 1: a bunch of kids and like they're working in a scrapyard. Yeah,
26:32
Speaker 1: and Kirsty comes and she's like, I'm going to report
26:35
Speaker 1: your social services after I get my man. And they
26:42
Speaker 1: made the kids seem so mean and on the adoptive
26:45
Speaker 1: father's side and they're just like you think you're richy
26:48
Speaker 1: fucking idiot, and the rich kid is saved and all
26:51
Speaker 1: the poor kids stuck in the adoptive system are left
26:54
Speaker 1: to right. It's like, wow, really inspiring message. Good job.
26:58
Speaker 1: But then yeah, Diane goes to rescue Alyssa and then mean, yeah,
27:03
Speaker 1: Amanda's stalling the wedding, and then the two of them
27:07
Speaker 1: are there because it takes two baby to stop the wedding,
27:10
Speaker 1: which works, and then Roger ends up with Diane and
27:14
Speaker 1: then they finally get to kiss, and then I guess
27:17
Speaker 1: they're all together as a family because Diana adopts Amanda.
27:21
Speaker 1: Is that what happen? Also a line in the beginning
27:26
Speaker 1: of the movie where like the poor one was like,
27:28
Speaker 1: won't you just stop me, Diana? And I was like,
27:30
Speaker 1: you know that they won't let me adopt you because
27:32
Speaker 1: on my salary, plus I don't have a husband. That
27:37
Speaker 1: I did not catch that that is like one of
27:39
Speaker 1: the wilder, more like points that comes up multiple points
27:45
Speaker 1: in the movie. And there's even one point where she's
27:47
Speaker 1: trying to adopt Amanda and then they're like they laughed
27:50
Speaker 1: at me because I don't have a husband, and he
27:52
Speaker 1: was just like this is and then you're and then
27:54
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe I knew she likes Steve Gutenberg, but
27:57
Speaker 1: he could be a means to an end to get
27:59
Speaker 1: her to be able to adopt this, because yeah, I
28:00
Speaker 1: think that was also a point, was like, now it
28:02
Speaker 1: could be a family because I have a husband who's
28:03
Speaker 1: ritch and they'll let me adopt you, and he's so bleak.
28:06
Speaker 1: Let's talk more about that right after we take this
28:08
Speaker 1: break and we're back. Do you guys didn't have anyone
28:17
Speaker 1: you can set me up with while I'm here they're
28:19
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. Yeah, I want if you're trying to
28:21
Speaker 1: adopt a child, then you need a husband. Yeah, if
28:25
Speaker 1: you have a ten year old you're trying to adopt,
28:26
Speaker 1: we know a number of very wealthy Guttenberg types, perfect
28:30
Speaker 1: love to. My other favorite line in the movie was
28:33
Speaker 1: when Cursy was like, wow, you're so rich, Like you
28:35
Speaker 1: must be amazing, and these and the guys like it
28:38
Speaker 1: was just dumb luck getting rich. I only invented cellphones?
28:42
Speaker 1: Is that what he says he invented that's like a
28:46
Speaker 1: brilliant and like kind of society changing invention that. But
28:50
Speaker 1: I did see that. I'm like, oh, he's humble, Like
28:53
Speaker 1: he's like, I stole the idea from Star Trek and
28:55
Speaker 1: now I'm a billion um. Start checking invented cell phones.
28:59
Speaker 1: The main country the way for me was Melissa's cannopy bed.
29:02
Speaker 1: That's the bed I have always wanted and still want. Yes,
29:05
Speaker 1: But also my favorite part of the movie was when
29:07
Speaker 1: they stopped the wedding and like Clarius is mortified and
29:10
Speaker 1: she goes to hit in front of thousand people. She
29:14
Speaker 1: goes to hit the kid and then like, but I
29:16
Speaker 1: was like, if you hit that kid, I'll punch you. Yeah.
29:19
Speaker 1: He's like I will beat the ship out of it.
29:20
Speaker 1: And then we're and then we're like wow, Butler like
29:23
Speaker 1: go off incredible, and then she walks down the aisle
29:27
Speaker 1: and threatens to hit the second kid and says back off,
29:30
Speaker 1: Barbie right right. My friend thought that the funniest line
29:34
Speaker 1: of all times so many times. And then she's like,
29:38
Speaker 1: I've never been more humiliated in my life. And then
29:40
Speaker 1: one of the kids goes want a bed and then
29:43
Speaker 1: rips her skirt off. She has to run away with
29:48
Speaker 1: I mean, like, we mean you do feel bad for
29:52
Speaker 1: her when sure, but he says, no, I love the
29:56
Speaker 1: idea of just anytime you're humiliating, humiliated, yelling I've never
29:59
Speaker 1: been related in my entire life at the top of
30:02
Speaker 1: your lungs. So wait to go back to what we
30:05
Speaker 1: were touching on a little bit. Ago is like, there's
30:08
Speaker 1: this idea that's in this movie. It's in the Lindsay
30:11
Speaker 1: Lohan Parent Trap, but it's this idea that like a
30:14
Speaker 1: kid needs a mother and a father's nuclear the mother,
30:20
Speaker 1: a father and one gay butler who's canotically straight, because
30:27
Speaker 1: like Amanda wants Diane to adopt her, and like Diane again,
30:30
Speaker 1: the ethics of this is crazy. When she's like, yeah,
30:33
Speaker 1: I want to adopt you too. Yes, I run an
30:35
Speaker 1: orphanage full of many other children who need adopted, but
30:39
Speaker 1: you're the one that I like the best. And then
30:42
Speaker 1: what she continues living in the orphanage like right, yeah,
30:46
Speaker 1: I was. I mean, it's just like very like all
30:48
Speaker 1: these movies are so like they're like, well, a single
30:52
Speaker 1: parent could not possibly do this, So like, well, you know,
30:55
Speaker 1: you have to do like a series of high jinks
30:57
Speaker 1: and throw Steve Gutenberg in a river and hope he
31:00
Speaker 1: falls in love, and like there has to be a
31:02
Speaker 1: food fight so that you can have your straight parents
31:06
Speaker 1: in in a golden telescope, which I do. Yeah, because
31:10
Speaker 1: at one point the dad, the Steve Gutenberg character, Oh no,
31:18
Speaker 1: I'm falling apart. Are You're starting to sound like Katherine's
31:23
Speaker 1: exactly similar. He says to Alyssa, He's like, Clarius and
31:28
Speaker 1: I are getting married. You're going to finally have a
31:30
Speaker 1: real family. She's going to be your new mother. So
31:33
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, there's no such thing as a
31:35
Speaker 1: real family unless there's a head row mom and a
31:37
Speaker 1: head or a dad. They're married together. And then Diane,
31:40
Speaker 1: earlier than that, even says to Amanda, you deserve a
31:45
Speaker 1: mother and a father. And then Amanda's like, so get
31:47
Speaker 1: a husband, and she's like, I don't know how I
31:49
Speaker 1: haven't met Steve, And I said, have you checked out CarMax,
32:00
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, like I think we talked a
32:02
Speaker 1: little bit. Because we've done a bonus episode on the
32:04
Speaker 1: Lindsay Lohan Parent Trap. We had this discussion a little bit,
32:09
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's like these like children's movies are perpetuating
32:13
Speaker 1: this like heteronormative nuclear family unit that has to exist
32:18
Speaker 1: or else like it's not a quote real family, or
32:22
Speaker 1: that there's like something missing or that issue. Right. Yeah, yeah,
32:25
Speaker 1: it's it's just very nice. That was the nineties. Yeah,
32:28
Speaker 1: like there's I can't think of any movie that like
32:31
Speaker 1: really in the nineties that would like challenge this at all.
32:34
Speaker 1: But it is weird that there was like a trend
32:35
Speaker 1: of movies that it was like people striving for a
32:38
Speaker 1: nuclear unit at all costs, and there's always like a
32:41
Speaker 1: rich blonde lady who gets I personally, she gets gum
32:45
Speaker 1: in her hair in this one, but I prefer the
32:47
Speaker 1: lizard in the mouth. That's such a good scene. The
32:50
Speaker 1: nuclear Yeah. I was also thinking of like Mrs doubt Fire,
32:53
Speaker 1: Like the nineties were about having two parents. They're about
32:56
Speaker 1: ruffles with onion dep there were about the bucket hats
32:59
Speaker 1: with a big sunflower. They were about twins. They were
33:02
Speaker 1: about right down to the cores like commercials, and now
33:05
Speaker 1: there's more twins ever, and then all the double mins,
33:08
Speaker 1: more commercials who are Sproustill the nineties, we had Tia Tomorrow,
33:12
Speaker 1: we had Dalson's we had and he were there. Boy
33:19
Speaker 1: twins Zack and Cody, Yeah that was were there? Other
33:23
Speaker 1: boy twins were they? Who were the kids who played
33:26
Speaker 1: Ross's son and friends? Those who were this So we're
33:30
Speaker 1: once again hitting on the Sprouses, the codes. The Rosses
33:33
Speaker 1: kids are all two people. They're all two people. Oh God,
33:39
Speaker 1: did y'all want twin with twin when you're up? Kind of?
33:42
Speaker 1: I really wanted to. I was dying for a twin
33:44
Speaker 1: that was dead, for twin slaughtered the media representation. Okay,
33:49
Speaker 1: well this leads me kill my brother if it meant
33:52
Speaker 1: I would have got the twins because the media representation
33:55
Speaker 1: of twins made it seem so cool and so fun
33:57
Speaker 1: because they always go on these like high James had
33:59
Speaker 1: been trus together. It's necessarily a negative media was just
34:04
Speaker 1: prominent thing trends on The Bachelor a few years ago.
34:07
Speaker 1: But one of the main the big thing I noticed
34:10
Speaker 1: about this movie. Here's my main problem with it, because
34:12
Speaker 1: it's is it the child acting? Well, that is a
34:16
Speaker 1: very big thing. So it's a movie starring two little girls,
34:20
Speaker 1: and yet it still has to end in a hetero
34:23
Speaker 1: adult wedding, because I was thinking about, like, okay, think
34:26
Speaker 1: about movies that star mostly little boys. You know, you've
34:30
Speaker 1: got your goonies, you've got your stand lots, Mighty Ducks,
34:33
Speaker 1: any like little boys sports movie basically, and then like
34:37
Speaker 1: stand by Me, it's like boys getting to go on
34:39
Speaker 1: adventures and like having a ragtag time. But movies that
34:44
Speaker 1: star little girls, the trend is, well, I can't even
34:48
Speaker 1: think of that many aside from like this whole slew
34:50
Speaker 1: of I think, oh Harry, but like as far as
34:56
Speaker 1: like an ensemble cast of like a bunch of little girls, like,
35:00
Speaker 1: I can't think of hardly any I are never forget
35:05
Speaker 1: what flipping on my TV and seeing now and then
35:07
Speaker 1: and my mind being completely blow Oh my god, oh
35:11
Speaker 1: my god, it's you know, yeah, I've seen it. I've
35:14
Speaker 1: never seen anything like this. I can't believe there are
35:16
Speaker 1: these little girls talking about like wanting boobs and like
35:18
Speaker 1: flirting and boys, and like it was the most I
35:21
Speaker 1: was like, why aren't there more? I've never seen anything
35:23
Speaker 1: like this in my life or something like that. But yeah,
35:25
Speaker 1: the point is like there's no there's so few movies
35:28
Speaker 1: about like little girls just being little girls, and if
35:32
Speaker 1: there is a movie where there are like a couple
35:34
Speaker 1: of girls, it's usually about them orchestrating this like crazy
35:37
Speaker 1: love story for adults. I think there are some exceptions
35:42
Speaker 1: to that rule, but it was I mean, just like
35:44
Speaker 1: the whole wedding aspect of this seems like, I don't
35:47
Speaker 1: know there was a more fun movie where that wasn't
35:51
Speaker 1: so prominent as much as I love an extended stop
35:54
Speaker 1: the wedding sequence, and they really go for it here.
35:57
Speaker 1: There's horses, there's helicopters, there's abandoned adopted children go off.
36:02
Speaker 1: But going back really quickly to like how movies that
36:06
Speaker 1: feature like little boys versus movies that feature little girls, Like,
36:11
Speaker 1: guess what I never did as a little girl. I
36:15
Speaker 1: never tried to get two adults to fuck. What I
36:20
Speaker 1: did do is I went to school, I played soccer,
36:24
Speaker 1: I played on jungle gyms, I was in girl Scouts,
36:27
Speaker 1: like I climbed trees. I like, did all this stuff
36:30
Speaker 1: that like you see little boys get to do in movies.
36:33
Speaker 1: I feel like I did. Want. I think that it
36:36
Speaker 1: was as a result of watching movies like this where
36:38
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, who are too adults in my life?
36:40
Speaker 1: Who I could try to convince the fall. But it
36:42
Speaker 1: was a direct result of like I didn't come up
36:44
Speaker 1: with that on my own anymore than like I came
36:46
Speaker 1: up with like wanting to play Harry at the Spy
36:48
Speaker 1: on my own, or like wanting to play like any movie.
36:51
Speaker 1: Starting a little girl just became a game of like
36:54
Speaker 1: we're just playing that, We're just re enacting it for
36:56
Speaker 1: as you know, I'm an in. And well, that's the
36:59
Speaker 1: other thing about like all these movies that are targeted
37:03
Speaker 1: that have like big theatrical releases that are targeted to
37:05
Speaker 1: little girls, they're usually about like teens or adults falling
37:10
Speaker 1: in love. Like if we're looking at like the movies
37:12
Speaker 1: like when I was growing up or were like the
37:14
Speaker 1: Disney Renaissance movies where You've got you know, your beauty
37:17
Speaker 1: and the Beasts and Aladdin's and Little Mermaids, and it's
37:19
Speaker 1: like all these movies about romance. And then the movies
37:22
Speaker 1: targeted towards little boys, you know, they're like adventurers and
37:26
Speaker 1: they're going on, they're gonna go find a dead body,
37:28
Speaker 1: or they're gonna go find the treasure. They're gonna they're
37:32
Speaker 1: gonna go find a sand lot so I just like,
37:38
Speaker 1: I hate that that And we say this all the time,
37:40
Speaker 1: but movies that are targeted towards children have to be
37:44
Speaker 1: especially careful with their content and their messages and all
37:48
Speaker 1: that stuff, because you know, their brains are little sponges
37:51
Speaker 1: and they just like take whatever they see as like
37:54
Speaker 1: absolute truth. So I mean, it's no wonder that, like,
37:57
Speaker 1: at least like my generation of like kids growing up
38:00
Speaker 1: into the adults, we are now being fed the movies
38:03
Speaker 1: that we were made me all fucked up, sucked up
38:07
Speaker 1: in your head. Yeah, I'm so boy crazy. Oh my god,
38:10
Speaker 1: I'm exhausted. That's all I think about. I was telling you,
38:15
Speaker 1: I don't know yet. Fortunately, this movie was not particularly successful.
38:20
Speaker 1: It did not, which I think is maybe why the
38:22
Speaker 1: parent Trap was so comfortable lifting so much material from it.
38:25
Speaker 1: It did not do very well in theaters, which is
38:27
Speaker 1: why Mary Kaye nashurally were trapped on television for the
38:31
Speaker 1: next ten years. I didn't didn't do everything I would
38:34
Speaker 1: have assumed it did. No, it only made like million
38:37
Speaker 1: backs a lot. We have a lot of money. Well,
38:47
Speaker 1: when you fucking invent a cell phone that's like pocket chain,
38:53
Speaker 1: I do want to draw some of the comparisons between
38:55
Speaker 1: both It Takes Two in the parent trap, and let's
38:59
Speaker 1: throw the Princess in there too, because that's basically also
39:02
Speaker 1: the same exact movie my lover who broke up with
39:08
Speaker 1: me after asking me to be his girlfriend four days before.
39:10
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, just mix about me. We have to side
39:15
Speaker 1: part talking about and we did another Matreon bonus episode
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Speaker 1: about that movie, so everyone should sign up for Matrion
39:22
Speaker 1: and listen to it anyway. Okay, so the parallels. We've
39:25
Speaker 1: got summer Camp being a huge plot point. We've got
39:29
Speaker 1: a dad living in a huge house in the countryside butler,
39:33
Speaker 1: the one who is posh has a butler. Friend. Of
39:36
Speaker 1: the two girls, we've got an evil stepmother lady who
39:40
Speaker 1: is blonde and mean. And then the parallels between It
39:44
Speaker 1: Takes Two and the Princess, which are that one of
39:45
Speaker 1: them can play the piano and one of them can't,
39:48
Speaker 1: and the one who can't play piano is forced into
39:50
Speaker 1: a situation where she has to play the piano, and
39:53
Speaker 1: the same thing with horse riding, where one of them
39:56
Speaker 1: knows how to horse ride the other one doesn't. I
40:00
Speaker 1: know this, yeah, totally, yeah, but I mean I guess
40:04
Speaker 1: at least Amanda plays like football pla. Yeah, okay, do
40:13
Speaker 1: you remember the stylist character who I think is in
40:15
Speaker 1: like one scene he's like, this movie, you're like very
40:23
Speaker 1: standard queer coded stylist character that you see in like
40:27
Speaker 1: all of these movies. He said something like, I'm a hairdresser,
40:30
Speaker 1: not a zoo keeper, which is hilarious thing. There's no
40:36
Speaker 1: Paulo putin Esca. But he'll do the one moment where
40:40
Speaker 1: I felt, I mean, I feel bad for any of
40:42
Speaker 1: these stepmother characters that don't exist in real life, just
40:45
Speaker 1: because they're so like hertial cartoon. But when they do
40:48
Speaker 1: make the choice to bring in her father, who negs
40:51
Speaker 1: the funk out of her. The second she's about to
40:53
Speaker 1: he's like, wow, my first daughter is also the last
40:56
Speaker 1: to get married. Interesting, and then just slides out of
41:00
Speaker 1: and we're like, what who is that for? All of
41:03
Speaker 1: those evil stepmother characters in these movies are so underwritten
41:07
Speaker 1: and so poorly developed. It I just thought it was
41:10
Speaker 1: I thought it was weird that the only is like
41:12
Speaker 1: the only part of her they chose to develop was like, Oh,
41:15
Speaker 1: but don't worry, she has severe daddy issues up there. Interesting.
41:21
Speaker 1: We got to take another quick break but we'll be
41:23
Speaker 1: right back and we're back. Yes, I talked. Yes. Also
41:32
Speaker 1: on the child acting, this this movie made me actually
41:35
Speaker 1: really appreciate the talent of Market and Nash Wilson because
41:37
Speaker 1: they were the only take. They were literally the only
41:40
Speaker 1: kids in the movie that were even slightly off buck
41:42
Speaker 1: like everything. Every other kid was like truly reading cute cards.
41:45
Speaker 1: The thing that the thing that like legitimately bothered me
41:48
Speaker 1: about this movie as much as it's like we've talked
41:51
Speaker 1: about like the wedding movies ending in the wedding is,
41:54
Speaker 1: you know, exhausted and in ninety is probably like peak
41:58
Speaker 1: even though it's still happened, But the way adoption was
42:02
Speaker 1: like made to look and this movie really bugged me.
42:06
Speaker 1: But I think it's because I, like I grew up
42:08
Speaker 1: around a lot of kids who were adopted or were
42:10
Speaker 1: like in the system, and the way that I don't know,
42:13
Speaker 1: just like this movie makes it look so goofy and
42:16
Speaker 1: almost like it's the kid's fault, like especially in the
42:20
Speaker 1: in the Junkyard situation, where all the kids that are
42:23
Speaker 1: not like this wealthy little girl and like Steve Gutenberg's
42:27
Speaker 1: daughter are made to seem like antagonistic and mean and
42:31
Speaker 1: like asking for it that they're being treated so horribly
42:35
Speaker 1: and all the orphans like at the orphanage is a
42:37
Speaker 1: little different, but that's like not even how the adoption
42:39
Speaker 1: system works anymore. Like why are we still being like, oh,
42:42
Speaker 1: the New York City Orphanage, Like that's not how the
42:45
Speaker 1: systems were. I don't know. It just logged me. Even
42:47
Speaker 1: with the old Stan it's like, if you could only
42:49
Speaker 1: just wear a dress like you would be adopted, but
42:51
Speaker 1: you you're presenting is too tomboyish, so that's why no
42:56
Speaker 1: one likes you. And there's also no like arc where
42:59
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, like she can't she be herself and
43:01
Speaker 1: get adopted. It's like no, you actually couldn't have. But
43:03
Speaker 1: thank God for you, Like I'm marrying a rich guy
43:05
Speaker 1: and now you don't need to be adopted, right Yeah, yeah,
43:09
Speaker 1: that I don't know. That was like the one thing
43:11
Speaker 1: that really did. I was just like, oh, that's like
43:13
Speaker 1: irresponsible and like there was a way to write that
43:16
Speaker 1: storyline that didn't need to be that way, but it
43:19
Speaker 1: was just yeah, I don't know. Does anyone have any
43:22
Speaker 1: other thoughts about the movie? The Masterpiece? It takes two. Wait,
43:28
Speaker 1: I think we need to talk a little bit more
43:29
Speaker 1: about like what the Olsen Twins mean to us. I
43:32
Speaker 1: suppose the Olsen Twins don't mean that much to me. Um,
43:35
Speaker 1: they weren't. They just weren't a part of my media
43:38
Speaker 1: consumption as a as a kid. When I was this age,
43:43
Speaker 1: I was watching Back to the Future every day of
43:46
Speaker 1: my life. Oh my god. Yeah, I was like I
43:49
Speaker 1: was watching those problematic eighties movies that were like a
43:52
Speaker 1: little too old for me to be watching. I was
43:55
Speaker 1: like Back to the Future and like Indiana Jones were
43:58
Speaker 1: my go twos. So I was watching these like boy
44:01
Speaker 1: centric movies because I didn't like what was available I mean,
44:05
Speaker 1: and then like also all those Disney movies. But I
44:07
Speaker 1: just didn't like a lot of what was available to me,
44:10
Speaker 1: like the like girly movies, I suppose, which probably because
44:15
Speaker 1: they were all about like, hey, let's make sure these
44:18
Speaker 1: adults fuck and that's my main goal. Like why couldn't
44:21
Speaker 1: there have been a movie about two girls who meet
44:25
Speaker 1: each other, whether or not they look exactly alike or not,
44:27
Speaker 1: like whatever, but it helps can it not be about
44:29
Speaker 1: something like why does it automatically have to be about
44:34
Speaker 1: like trying to get a romance? To happen because it's like, well,
44:38
Speaker 1: they're too young to try to find boys themselves. But
44:41
Speaker 1: that's not also, not to be fair, that's not every
44:43
Speaker 1: Mary Kit naturally joint. Sure, they do a lot of
44:46
Speaker 1: different they do variation on like three different plots. Sometimes
44:51
Speaker 1: they're trying to find a parent love. Other times they're
44:53
Speaker 1: like solving a mystery. Like they do a lot of stuff,
44:55
Speaker 1: but they always have a love interest in their films. Yes, yeah,
44:58
Speaker 1: and I mean I guess there is I mean even
45:00
Speaker 1: and like Passport to pairs like together, that's like the
45:03
Speaker 1: that's their first on screen kiss. Oh my waits was
45:05
Speaker 1: the twins first on screen kiss and they were eleven.
45:12
Speaker 1: This is what my brain is telling. And then one
45:15
Speaker 1: of the one of the French guys. Maybe this is
45:16
Speaker 1: why I keep getting adiction to people who don't live
45:18
Speaker 1: in the same country as me. But one of the guys,
45:20
Speaker 1: like she meets him and he's imitating her and he goes,
45:22
Speaker 1: oh my god, oh my god, remember that her. Oh
45:27
Speaker 1: I feel completely their twelve in that movie. That's why, well,
45:31
Speaker 1: I remember that so clear. We also talked by the
45:34
Speaker 1: cultural moment where it was like two four and there
45:36
Speaker 1: was like online and there was like websites where you
45:38
Speaker 1: could go to see a countdown clock. My older cousin
45:44
Speaker 1: was all about that. He was into the It was disgusting.
45:49
Speaker 1: Anyone who's into that clock is gay. I had that
45:54
Speaker 1: having so much as by for a cousin and his
45:55
Speaker 1: wife and they're two beautiful twin girls. That's a big Also,
46:00
Speaker 1: he's like tortured inside and it's in Massachusetts married. Can
46:07
Speaker 1: I just say one thing about the countdown of like
46:10
Speaker 1: the Twins team, Like, there's this huge problem that's happening
46:14
Speaker 1: right now and probably has been happening since the dawn
46:16
Speaker 1: of time, where like men in whatever capacity and industry
46:22
Speaker 1: and all that are like grooming underage problem to like
46:28
Speaker 1: whenever they become legal in turn eighteen, so they're like
46:32
Speaker 1: ready to trap in basically. But it's like one word,
46:35
Speaker 1: one word, Brittany, It's that's happening right now. I get
46:39
Speaker 1: her name, but um, the actors who plays eleven on
46:43
Speaker 1: Stranger Things, Oh, she's majorly getting that treatment of like
46:48
Speaker 1: she's thirteen, but like let's start to get her sexy now.
46:51
Speaker 1: It makes me puke. So that's I mean, the only
46:53
Speaker 1: and the only boy I can think of that received
46:55
Speaker 1: that treatment was Justin Bieber. I do remember there being
46:58
Speaker 1: a clock element to the Justin Bieber canon. Yes. Um. Anyway, hey,
47:05
Speaker 1: does this movie pass the Bechdel test? Yes, it does.
47:09
Speaker 1: Amanda and Alyssa talk to each other a lot. Amanda
47:14
Speaker 1: and Diane talk about finding her a new family. A listen,
47:18
Speaker 1: Clarice talk to each other a bit. Um. Yeah, there's
47:22
Speaker 1: a lot of different combos and situations. It's a feminist text.
47:25
Speaker 1: It's a feminist text. You bet you. Actually, while we're watching,
47:28
Speaker 1: Pat turns to me and goes, I think this movie
47:30
Speaker 1: is good for women. Yeah what moment because one of
47:36
Speaker 1: them played baseball. Yeah. Yeah, if a girl plays baseball
47:39
Speaker 1: and a movie, it is good for women and all
47:41
Speaker 1: of its flaws must be forgiven immediately. Well, let's rate
47:46
Speaker 1: the movie, speaking of deciding if it's good for women
47:49
Speaker 1: or not, rated on our nipple scale zero to five
47:53
Speaker 1: nipples based on its portrayal and representation of women. I
47:57
Speaker 1: don't know. It's so hard with these kids movies that
48:01
Speaker 1: have to be well, they don't have to be, but
48:05
Speaker 1: this era, they're so cartoonish that it's kind of hard
48:09
Speaker 1: to even evaluate them for anything because they're so cartoon
48:13
Speaker 1: but you're saying you think that they should be helped
48:15
Speaker 1: to hire standard still because kids movies these days. Yeah,
48:19
Speaker 1: so I mean these kids, they were condescending, and they
48:27
Speaker 1: helped perpetuate these like would end up being harmful ideas
48:30
Speaker 1: that like a kid needs a mother and father if
48:34
Speaker 1: they're going to turn out. Okay, the movie was bad
48:37
Speaker 1: for gays, that's okay. I forget almost every movie goodet
48:43
Speaker 1: there it was good forett. Yeah, I would get women. Actually, no,
48:48
Speaker 1: because they have to get married or they can't have
48:50
Speaker 1: a child. That's actually horrible for them. Yeah, I would
48:54
Speaker 1: give it too out of I think that's where I
48:56
Speaker 1: would give its five nibbles. Really feminist, it's like Mowana
49:01
Speaker 1: level feminism. I don't watch kids movies because they are
49:05
Speaker 1: boring to me. I watched them. Paddington is my favorite movie.
49:09
Speaker 1: People are all piped up on that and not there.
49:12
Speaker 1: I guess I'll watch it. I can't watch anything really
49:13
Speaker 1: because I have anxiety and I start thinking about myself
49:15
Speaker 1: too much. It's actually a disease. Um I would I
49:19
Speaker 1: guess two nips or even one nip. It's like it's
49:21
Speaker 1: not helpful. It's not helpful. Yeah, it's I mean it's good.
49:24
Speaker 1: I guess it's good for like little girls who can
49:26
Speaker 1: be like, oh look, they're like, you know, doing a thing.
49:29
Speaker 1: But I mean, at the end of the day, I'm
49:33
Speaker 1: gonna do Yeah, I'll do like even one. And it
49:36
Speaker 1: sucks because it's like, you know, I guess if we're
49:38
Speaker 1: breaking it down, like women are on screen the majority
49:40
Speaker 1: of the time, but like there's it's just like it's
49:42
Speaker 1: so nineties and it's like ideology and what it's pushing.
49:46
Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't show this movie to a kid. It
49:49
Speaker 1: seems counterproductive, right, Yeah, I think I'm kids one nipple, right,
49:54
Speaker 1: because it's like no little girl has ever done this
49:57
Speaker 1: to the to the extent where they're like fucking riding
49:59
Speaker 1: horse is and like trying like orchestrating these like very
50:02
Speaker 1: complicated meat cutes, like that's not anything a little girl does.
50:06
Speaker 1: But because like at least two movies are about this, yeah,
50:09
Speaker 1: and one is way better, is a masterpiece, and the
50:13
Speaker 1: other this one is boring. Yeah. The thing he addressed
50:16
Speaker 1: that they she has this refrain of I want that,
50:18
Speaker 1: can't eat, can't sleep, knocking out of the park, and
50:21
Speaker 1: that is the most damaging thing A little girl can
50:23
Speaker 1: hear because you think if someone treats you bad it
50:25
Speaker 1: makes you feel bad, then they're to love your life
50:27
Speaker 1: and you must chase after that, and that that the
50:29
Speaker 1: pining of them is what is romantic, and that has
50:31
Speaker 1: actually ruined my life. So excuse you all, I levitate
50:35
Speaker 1: off my chair and go through the ceiling. I also
50:39
Speaker 1: want to say that it's crazy that we both remember
50:42
Speaker 1: the food it's seen, but neither of us remembered that
50:44
Speaker 1: Kirsty Alley's character starts the food. Yes, I'm like you
50:48
Speaker 1: talking about that your camp. I'm taking this honestly progressive. Yeah,
50:53
Speaker 1: she starts to her own camp. No, someone's to clean it.
50:56
Speaker 1: Someone she pays is gonna have to clean the food,
50:58
Speaker 1: or she will have to do it because she's like
51:00
Speaker 1: fire fust You need to think of the employees. Oh
51:02
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