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Elijah Abraham: The Desperate, Global Need For The True Gospel · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Welcome, friends.
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  Family in Christ.
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  Thank you so much for joining us today.
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  I've got my brother back in the state's side.
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  He's been away for a while.
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  His name is Elijah Abraham.
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  The website is livingoasis.org that's livingoasis.org.
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  For those of you that are new to the podcast, new listeners or new viewers, because praise
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  God we're growing because you're doing it, God's doing it, praise him.
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  But we cannot show Elijah's face for security reasons.
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  He's had death threats and he's a threat to particularly the radicals, the Muslims,
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  and for other reasons.
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  So we do these shows with him where we just put up a picture of the cell phone.
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  So he's on the line with us.
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  So I'm interviewing him, but you cannot see his face for security reasons.
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  Just so you know, so brother, I want to bring you in and welcome back to the state.
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  How long have you been back from Indonesia?
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  About six days.
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  So it's been good.
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  So thank you for having me.
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  It's blessing and a few amount of notice.
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  I did drag you with me in the mission field through texts and updates and pictures.
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  Yeah, and it's praise God.
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  And when Elijah takes these trips, if you're following him or in touch with him, will
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  you get these text messages on all the pastors he's teaching in the congregations, people
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  coming to the Lord, his travels, and it's just really a blessing for those of us that
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  can't travel or have not been able to go on trips like that.
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  It really is a blessing to keep up to speed on so much.
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  And I know you're probably texting a lot of people, Elijah, so I appreciate that.
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  But first of all, let's just talk about you were gone for how long?
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  Was it three weeks?
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  I was gone.
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  What about a month, four weeks that you could in the travel time travel.
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  It takes 48 hours each way for us to get there 48 hours of travel time to get back.
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  So it's hardly any sleep, but the Lord kind of encourages me that it's all worthwhile.
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  In this particular trip, the Lord allowed me to conduct six conferences, five passes,
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  five passes conferences, and one in a seminary student seminary, all of that in five cities.
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  So we did a lot of traveling within the country, and I did preach three times, and forgot
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  to make it work kind of to encourage me to make a worthwhile of travel and like to sleep.
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  In this trip, the Lord really blessed, we had about 64 salvation, it thrived all of
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  the teaching and preaching.
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  So that made it worthwhile, even if I had one salvation, that makes it worthwhile.
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  Amen.
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  So yeah, it's a blessing, it was a really a blessing.
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  Well before I get to my next question, your health, how's your back?
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  How are you doing?
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  Yeah, that's my cross to bear, unfortunately.
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  I, as I get older, it doesn't get any better.
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  It's just something that's a maintenance, and I learned how to live with it.
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  The Lord gave me grace every day, especially traveling.
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  So God is good, and I just give them the glory.
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  And one of the things that people always ask me, how do you do that?
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  That's, I don't really know how, the only thing I could think of is whenever I'm behind
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  the pulpit while I'm in front of pastors or seminary students, I'm a different person.
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  That just takes control, and he gives me the energy, the enthusiasm, the clarity of mind,
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  and the physical ability to do it.
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  But once I go back to my hotel, I crash.
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  My back telling me what he's been doing to me today.
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  So it's a challenge, that's for sure, but I thank you for asking.
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  And it is a matter of prayer for God, God's people to keep praying for me, I appreciate
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  that.
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  Yes, friends, continue to pray for Elijah and his health and his family.
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  It's interesting you said that, though, I just talked to a speaker, a woman who's in
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  ministry, she's from Oklahoma, she's done a lot of traveling, but she's had a lot of health
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  problems, particularly, you know, brain in different issues.
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  But she says, she says, sometimes I feel sick, or I'm not able to do anything, and every
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  time she gets up, God gives her this strength, and then help to do the presentation, to get
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  through the ministry that she's called to do.
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  So that's real, I bet that's more common than we realize.
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  I want you to just share your big takeaway, if there's just one thing, there's probably
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  several, but as far as the overall takeaway from the trip, and maybe what God's doing there
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  in Indonesia.
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  Yeah.
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  I'm telling you, no matter where I go, I mean, earlier this year, I was in three countries
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  in Eastern Europe, and June, I was in five countries, what's the Neuro, and this time
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  Southeast Asia.
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  So really, it doesn't matter where I go, people are hungry for sound biblical teaching,
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  and to correct a lot of misunderstanding, and the pastors, as well other students in
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  the seminary, but mainly the pastors, who would you think they know the Bible because
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  that preachers, they're supposed to preach the Bible accurately.
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  They got a lot of things wrong.
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  So when they are confronted with the scripture and explained to them, and we did deep in
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  the Word of God, that's a beautiful thing that I experienced.
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  I experienced some pastors who weep, repent, asking the Lord for forgiveness, and some still
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  arrogant, so I get both sides, but all together, they're hungry for good Bible teaching.
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  And they also have something else that I'm noticing, not just in Southeast Asia, but
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  everywhere I go.
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  People really entwined in these last days, they are trying to understand prophecy and
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  eschatology, and unfortunately, again, even that, they have all kind of views, the kind
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  of ideas, so that's one of the tracks that I teach is eschatology.
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  So in our ministry, the Lord allows me to really teach five tracks.
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  The first is biblical foundation, which is simplified systematic theology.
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  The second is application of this theology and discipleship and spiritual growth.
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  And the third is eschatology, the fourth biblical counseling, and the fifth is apologetics
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  and Muslim evangelism.
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  So yeah, it depends what the need is, and wherever I go, then we'll apply that.
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  And so, and then overall, in this trip, is just people nervous, and I'm talking about
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  the church, forget about the unbelievers, the unbelievers I expect them to be nervous,
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  but they're nervous about global events, they're nervous about economy, and so on.
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  So I tried to help them, look, we're children of God, we have hope, the world doesn't have
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  hope.
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  And if we're children of God, we know exactly where we're going.
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  And if you don't know where you're going, let me explain.
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  And I do explain, look, as a Christian, no matter if you're a pastor or not, no matter
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  if you're in America or around the world, as born again, believer, you have to live eschatologically
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  point of view.
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  Meaning, you have to live today in the view where you're going tomorrow.
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  And as long as you understand what's happening tomorrow, according to the scripture, what
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  God is going to do tomorrow in the future, then you can live today by God's grace with
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  his power and with his guidance to live gracefully, peacefully, and share the gospel with people
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  with hope and joy.
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  But if you don't have that view for the future, then today is going to be, you're going
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  to be anxious, fearful, panicking, and you can act like the world.
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  So, and I think that's what's missing in every country I've been in is really understanding
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  of prophecy and eschatology, and not just overseas, here in America, it's the same thing.
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  Many churches, many pastors do not address this doctrine.
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  They don't want to teach it.
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  And so you've got a lot of God's people in our churches.
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  They don't have a clear understanding of what prophecy is, what eschatology is.
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  Now, there are many of God's pastors, especially there is a group of pastors, they are wonderful
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  pastors from the Calvary Chapel, that's part of the part of their church and Bible teaching.
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  Now there are others who only dedicate every now and then they teach on the book of
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  Revelation, but they give it like a big overview instead of really dig deeper on, look chronologically,
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  let's interpret what's going on in the world today, and global events, and how we can
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  understand it from the lens of prophecy and biblical understanding.
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  And that's not happening, unfortunately, many Christians are suffering because of that,
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  because they panic, they have no hope, so yeah, so it's a blessing.
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  That leads to my next, I mean, logical question, you're talking about all these things,
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  and the people experience because of their maybe lack of understanding of the scriptures,
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  perhaps, or maybe they weren't taught, and I'm thinking, what about America?
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  These very same things can be applied to the church in America.
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  So when are you going to start traveling around the United States, Elijah, and teaching
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  people, some of the things you're teaching overseas?
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  Yeah, I would love to, and that's the challenge of our ministry.
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  I don't impose myself on ministry on any pastor, any church in America.
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  We go by invitation only, so the pastors need to reach out to me, and hopefully they're
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  listening to your podcast, I'm here to serve the church.
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  I am not here to go after anybody's minister position or anything like that, a lot gave
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  me a ministry.
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  I'm here to serve the church and equip the body of Christ, and it all depends on the
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  need.
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  So believe it or not, when we first started living in a way, it's almost 20 years ago,
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  I was so busy around the country, I've been in 30 states in America, but I would say
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  back in 2012, 13 things that slowing down, and by 2018, hardly any pastors are interested,
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  and I don't understand why, and the reason, one of the reasons probably I think is they
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  look at the people around them again.
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  I'm not judging all pastors, but this is my analysis, many pastors, and I'm trying to
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  help the church have to reach Muslims for Christ in their community, so they see Muslims
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  and on their area, and instead of saying, okay, Lord, thank you for the opportunity, you
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  brought the mission field in our community, so who do we know, or who can we reach, we
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  could call and help us to reach them.
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  Instead, all they think about, oh, Sharia Lord, Jihad, violence, and let's protect ourselves
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  and let us not engage.
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  Well, maybe, maybe I'm wrong, I pray I'm wrong, and the other challenge for us, I think to
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  answer your question, why I'm not going around the country, because I'm not on social media,
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  my face is not, you know, in any website, or anything like that, even podcasts, it's
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  all audio, also, I don't have a book, I'm not famous like so many, and unfortunately,
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  I see the same kind of mindset now is being exported overseas, so some of the pastors and
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  Indonesians are the places, the person, they say, I could not find you on Facebook, I
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  cannot do that, I don't know who you are, so that's the challenge, and I think that's
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  one of the, some people say, well, that's a negative, a drawback of our ministry, you
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  know what, I go with the Lord, open the door, if the Lord opened the door internationally,
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  more than domestic, praise the Lord, because it used to be more domestic than international,
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  so as of, you know, 2018, now it's becoming more international than domestic, I would
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  like to make it a little bit balanced, but I leave that to the Lord, I'm here to equip
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  the church.
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  That's interesting, you know, you mentioned that, I didn't even think about that, I didn't
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  think about that, you're not on social media, you're not out there doing videos or podcasts
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  and all this other stuff, but we have an audience who, a lot of people go to churches and you
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  have a pastor, friends, if you have a need for something like this at your church to invite
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  Elijah to come and speak, or maybe you know a church in your community, keep that in mind,
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  but I'm glad you brought that up, Elijah, I wanted to ask you about one of the text messages
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  you sent me, this is really fascinating, I think you were in Jakarta speaking at an assembly
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  of God, a church, you said you taught apologetics and Muslim evangelism and you prayed for some
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  students as they were leaving and you said some of the students at the Christian school
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  are not believers, you said there was a Muslim, a Buddhist, and there are people at a Christian
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  school that are not believers, can you explain that, how that works?
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  And that's usually, it's normal, I experienced that when I was a kid in Middle East, because
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  the Christian schools are very well known with good quality education.
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  So you've got the community, whether it be Muslims or Buddhists, however, they want to
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  send their kids to a good school which offers quality education, so that's how it is.
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  So that's the reason I was not really totally surprised when they were there.
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  So it's a blessing, these young students heard the gospel afterwards, I sat down with
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  them and said all the questions, offered them the opportunity to receive Christ, but they
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  kind of reserved.
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  There's a no, let me think about it.
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  Okay, the Lord is not here to push himself on anyone.
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  So yeah, it's fascinating, I'm sure it's kind of to you, it's probably a region that
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  texts like, what is this?
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  Well, I was also looking at another text message, it's just really encouraging, I mean,
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  you were blessed with 85 pastors in attendance at one of the sessions there on a Saturday
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  in Indonesia.
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  I was shortly before you were going to fly home, I think.
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  But I want to ask you now, we have about 10, 12 minutes left, and I want to ask you about
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  what's going on globally, including the peace that people said would never happen between
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  Israel and Hamas and Gaza there.
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  And who knows what I said before we got on the podcast today, terrorists don't keep their
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  promises.
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  And covenants mean nothing to people that don't have a biblical worldview.
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  So what are your thoughts on Israel and Gaza, the peace, your concerns about maybe what
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  might come now, I know it's speculation, but what are your thoughts over Ali Lajah?
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  Yeah, I get it's my opinion, you know, it really started back doing the President Trump's
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  first term when he initiated and with Jared Kushner and others about the Abraham Accord.
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  And I was really kind of got my attention, like, wait a minute, I never thought in my
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  lifetime coming from at least myself that there will be any Arab nation will shake hands
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  with the Jewish Prime Minister.
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  I've never seen that, never heard of that because grew up, the Jews are the ultimate enemy
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  and Israel, the ultimate Satan kind of thing.
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  So to see that happen, of course, I was joyful, I'm glad there's peace.
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  And then what happened with Gaza and the signature of the peace between Israel and Hamas
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  and yes, and I'm looking at all these presidents from all different countries, especially from
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  Middle East, forget about the Europeans, Europeans, they just want to show up for the photo
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  but those who are really affected by this stand in there and they're clapping and applauded
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  for this, you know, praise the Lord, blessed are those who are peacemakers.
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  But I look at the situation from the component of you and the play it tells me, yeah, that
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  might be peace, but it's going to be temporary.
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  I don't think it's going to last long.
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  The question is for how long is it going to last?
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  You know, three years, seven years, ten years, twenty years, we'll see, we'll see who's
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  going to break it and what are the circumstances.
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  Now the question, the concern that I have is for the church because they are not in tune
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  and I was saying, hey, those who are in tune with this ketology, I'm not talking about
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  them.
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  I'm talking about the majority who are not really in tune with it.
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  The past is not preaching on prophecy and all of that.
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  So my concern for those churches, they're going to say, okay, there is peace, great, let's
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  go back to normal and they basically put their guard down without really looking, paying
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  up for a blessed home and that's pretty dangerous because you are not preparing God's people
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  what it's ahead and you have to kind of prepare them as ketologically.
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  So when bad things happen, they're not going to freak out and fall apart and leave the
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  church, leave the faith, whatever it is.
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  So my encouragement and challenge to pastors, no matter where you are, please preach the
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  work from Genesis to Revelation.
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  Don't leave anything out, include in the prophetic scripture, include in us ketology, equip
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  your people so they are not deceived by whoever they're going to listen to on YouTube or
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  watch on YouTube or podcasts because when people, including these churches, have so many
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  questions about these things, where they're going to go, they cannot find it in the church
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  and the preacher is not talking about it.
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  So they're going to do a lot of research or search on the on YouTube or some podcasts
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  or websites and so on or social media and they're going to be fallen prey to false teachers.
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  So that's my concern.
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  So peace in the Middle East, praise the Lord, let it happen, hopefully it lasts but I don't
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  hold my breath.
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  Peace and safety, peace and security, it all sounds so good.
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  Exactly.
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  So it has something I want to share with you, my travel, you know, Charlie Kirk, it was
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  a Saturday two days before I left for Indonesia.
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  And I was really surprised because I traveled throughout the world, I started getting texts
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  from Poland, from Romania, from Moldova, from UK, from Italy, Spain, from India, from
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  definitely, while I was in Indonesia, all of them are brokenhearted about what happened
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  to Charlie.
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  And I was stunned.
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  It's like, what?
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  You know about this?
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  You know about him?
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  Oh yeah, we follow him and I think he was amazing, his ministry was amazing.
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  He really spoke what we believe, what we thought, I was really stunned.
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  So praise God for Charlie and his life and he fought a good fight.
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  I just thought I'll share that with you.
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  No, that's really interesting because yeah, I mean, I knew he was well known, but I guess
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  you you never know until something like something like that happens.
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  Right.
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  And then you understand, oh my goodness, he had a global reach or impact and I'm so glad,
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  you know what, Elijah, I want you to speak to this.
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  I'm so glad he preached the gospel and exalted the name of Jesus.
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  But he also, there are a couple, I guess he's got some people at turning point that are
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  Mormon and some that are Catholic and some you're going down the list.
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  And there's a lot of accusations that have come from maybe discernment ministries and
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  I'm not saying they're wrong on everything, but they take something he said out of context
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  without looking at the whole body of his work and impact and what he has said about the
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  gospel.
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  He's so many times said the only way to be saved is faith in Jesus Christ, so many times
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  I mean, it's clear.
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  But then because at that last event, he was at, he was speaking to Mormons for the most
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  part.
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  A lot of Mormons and he says, I love Mormons and I do too.
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  Yeah.
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  You love Muslims.
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  We are to love our neighbor and even love our enemies, which is hard.
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  We love people, but we tell them the truth.
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  He loved them, but he still shared the gospel and what one discernment ministry did, they
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  took that line about I love Mormons and he said, he said something like I wish there
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  the Mormon church was stronger or whatever, meaning I understand what he was saying, they
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  were talking about the LGBTQ, they were talking about morality.
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  So yeah, we want people that are biblically moral, but let's talk about religion after,
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  let's get the, the, the, the, the God is creator and the gender and the sexuality, right?
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  So this discernment ministry took that out of context and I thought, you know what?
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  I understand the statement out of, on its own saying, I wish the Mormon church was
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  stronger on these, in these areas.
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  He didn't elevate or exalt the Mormon church and I've heard so many of these things, people
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  are nitpicking and just bothers me.
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  Would you care to speak to that?
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  What are your thoughts?
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  Yeah.
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  It's, it's really sad state of affair for people to do that and he's not here to defend
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  himself.
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  Right.
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  And the only way to defend himself is go back to his videos, to his debates, to his
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  speeches and that will speak for itself and believe me, it does not happen just to him.
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  I mean, it happens to me, yes, I am not on, on social media and even like that, but it
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  happens to me in life, I'm teaching pastors and during the questions and answers, they
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  take something I've said out of context and they accuse me of something, but at least I'm
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  there to defend myself and it put it back in the context what I was talking about.
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  So yeah, ministries like that, they really need to be careful because one, they defame
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  an reputation of a brother who's now enjoying his life, eternal life with the Lord.
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  So they need to be careful with that and also his legacy, you know, they try to defend
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  that too.
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  So before they do say something, do you do diligent?
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  I mean, you're on the discernment ministry, okay, be discerned before you open your mouth.
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  So that's how, that's how they got to think of his common sense.
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  Yeah.
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  Friends, yeah, be discerning, go to the word of God, but also look at all of the videos and
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  his, what he has said on certain topics.
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  I don't just believe one line that's ripped out of an appearance or a speech or a debate
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  for any of us because I mean, I've had accusations, Christian nationalists and all this and people
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  don't define the terms, but before let's you go, Elijah, is there a current threat to
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  America that's kind of flying under the radar that not many people are talking about?
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  I believe so and this threat has been going on for us since the 60s and it's been silent
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  since then.
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  The spotlight came on it in since 9, 11.
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  We went to two wars, causes, I don't know, two, three trillion dollars and all of that.
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  And that is Islam and the threat of Islam as an ideology, it is not peaceful ideology.
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  At the same time, because of our immigration policies, for the last 25, 30 years and especially
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  under Obama, kind of being put on Obama and Biden, put on steroids, we got a problem in
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  Minnesota, Minneapolis, we got a problem in New York, we got problem in Derboh, Michigan.
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  Derboh, Michigan, the police now have their badges in Arabic as well as in English, which
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  is unheard of.
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  And you have now the call to prayer out in speakers in the city, in the public.
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  And they're basically in your face like, what are you going to do about it?
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  We're here and we want to implement Sharia law.
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  Now in the state of Texas, they passed or the governor banned Sharia law, but I have
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  not seen any details how he's going to implement that.
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  If you can ban Sharia law, you need to ban Muslim Brotherhood and all associated organizations
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  that are affiliated with it.
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  And then I just heard about a week ago so that now Congress, some congressmen, I forgot
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  who it was, now the and senator, he was a football player, Tobin, October, whatever is
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  not.
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  A coach.
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  That's him.
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  He is now talking about introducing Sharia law ban in America.
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  I was like, praise God, yeah, let's do it.
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  But if you watch what's happening in the local cities, that's that's scary because the
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  church, the church is not ready, they are not equipped, they're ignorant about what
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  Islam is as a ideology, it's not a religion, it's an ideology, it's a social political
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  system that uses a deity to advance his agenda.
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  But at the same time, they are not reaching Muslims for Christ.
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  This is a spiritual battle, battle for the hearts.
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  And we have to equip our people wherever they are to witness the Muslims.
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  So that's my concern that to this day, I've been talking about this is 1997, to this
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  day the church has not done anything.
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  It's a Islam is a social and political system that uses a deity religion to advance its
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  agenda.
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  That's a good definition.
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  And the agenda is global domination and they're not going to stop.
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  They've been working on it for 1400 years.
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  I'm glad you brought that up.
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  It's a good place to end to remind people, go back last week or a week or so, go to look
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  up our interview with Tony Garoule.
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  We talked about immigration in Islam according to Muhammad and what the true agenda, what
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  people that are really following the Quran and what that's going, Elijah, it always goes
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  by fast.
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  And I'm so thankful we were able to get this update on your travels and all the great
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  work you're doing.
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  I wish there were many more of you, but I know cloning is not biblical.
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  So a brother, God bless you.
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  We will keep in touch and do this again.
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  Thank you for your time.
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  God bless you.
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  Thank you for having me.
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  Praise God.
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  Friends, God bless you.
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  And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.