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Kearns: A cardigan game in this movie is on point.
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It's like a cardigan robe.
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Ryan: Yeah, it is.
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he wears it with such class, like, it never leaves him.
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They made it a point to make sure cardigan can always fit.
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Ethan Hawke the entire movie.
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Kearns: It's true.
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It's true.
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Ryan: And he's dapper.
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He's dapper.
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Kearns: and like the bottle of bourbon or whatever he is carrying
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around the whole time too.
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Jon: he's a writer.
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He has to have alcohol in a card.
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Kearns: It's the big stereotype.
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Yeah.
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I remember watching the
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Ryan: Yeah.
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Kearns: like, that's very beat generation of them.
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Very Carolyn.
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Ryan: tried it.
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It doesn't work on my end when writing,
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Kearns: think
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Ryan: it's like, uh,
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Kearns: I think you're supposed to be hung over while writing to be, you know that
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Ryan: what was it?
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Kearns: artist that's being weighed down by your own trauma and, and your genius.
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Ryan: I think it was Ernest Hemingway or Sie Hinton who said it.
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Um, he said, drink first, then write, and then.
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Fix it up sober.
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Kearns: it up sober.
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I mean, okay.
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Doesn't work for
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Ryan: Yeah.
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I, that's why the old man, the sea is what it is.
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If he did that,
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Kearns: Yeah, yeah.
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Jon: I hate that book.
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Ryan: that's why I mentioned it.
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Kearns: What's wrong with it?
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Jon: Number one.
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Ryan: It's an old man, the sea.
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Jon: in the sea.
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Number two, forced me to read it.
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If you forced me to read
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Kearns: Uh
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Jon: it.
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Kearns: oh.
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I love the epic struggle stuff.
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I love frost poems about just struggling against nature and ultimately
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losing, and the old man of the sea.
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It's like, look, everything's gonna be okay.
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He's gonna be able to eat again, and no, just rips through his fricking
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hands and the sharks get the fish.
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Ryan: It's the overhype.
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It's the overhype and the comparing of Gatsby.
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When they compare it, it, yeah.
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I'm like, no, there's, there's a difference right here.
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a big difference.
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Kearns: it's, it's the hard part about teaching Dickens too.
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I mean, this is a podcast about the movie Sinister everybody.
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Sorry.
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But it's so difficult because Victorian English and stuff is so verbose and our
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kids are used to like tiktoks and it's tech speak and emojis, nobody can handle
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like David Copperfield or The Grapes of Wrath, even as for American Lit stuff.
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But I
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Ryan: They, they handle a tale of two cities pretty well.
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Kearns: book
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Ryan: I will say that.
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Kearns: read a Tale, two Cities Guys out there in the world and gals out there in
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the world, it is one of the best endings to any story ever, ever, ever, ever.
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Ryan: or the easy ways to watch the dark night rises.
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Ignite Rises.
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Kearns: because it is the same The Nolan Brothers wrote the script.
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Completely mirroring the plot of a Tale of two Cities.
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And now we're gonna move on to Sinister, which is an
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Ryan: I was gonna say.
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Kearns: a great moving plot.
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Ryan: Ethan Hawke plays Ellison Oswalt, who is now a true crime writer.
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He was originally a fiction writer and a textbook author as well as a
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college professor it seems, who goes into true crime, and it leads him to
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Chad for Pennsylvania, which I'll be honest, I, it took me years to watch
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this film and because of the podcast and everything, I'm so happy I watched it.
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Kearns: We've been
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Ryan: It's so good.
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You have, you have
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Kearns: to watch this damn movie.
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I tell you about this movie all the time.
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I'm like, I love it
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Jon: exclusively made the calendar to make you watch it.
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Kearns: I mean,
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Ryan: I, I'm fine with it.
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It's on my Christmas list.
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Santa, please give, deliver it to me in 4K.
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Kearns: all the time.
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Um, people think it's the same movie at times.
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It came out around the same era, right?
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I think it did.
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I mean a couple
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Ryan: Yeah.
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Yes.
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I think Insidious was 2010.
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Give or take.
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So
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Ryan: Right.
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Kearns: and, um, insidious.
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And what's the other one that everybody thinks are the same with the Warrens?
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the same
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Ryan: Oh, conjuring
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Kearns: Everybody thinks those are the same movies, and then sinister is
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kind of in the orbit of that later on.
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But in City, our sinister is just a much better film.
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Much better
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Ryan: y. Yes.
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More thrilling too.
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I was on the edge of my seat.
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But the thing is, I feel like I've jumped more with Insidious with Sinter.
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I jumped a couple times, but I was so glued to the plot and the acting and
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the story that it just makes you like go, Ugh, this is really happening.
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As we get into it and then you're like, crap at the end.
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I, I was so drawn into it more than the scares, to be honest.
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Which is a good thing too, I think for a film,
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Kearns: Heavy
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Ryan: film.
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Kearns: everybody, but uh,
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Ryan: Oh, damn.
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Straight.
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Kearns: is usually where I, I gripe with movies.
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Sinister didn't bother me.
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It, I didn't feel like it was using the kids as a crutch or anything.
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It didn't feel like that's where the scares came from or where
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they was trying to, they were pulling the heartstrings there.
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But maybe it's, 'cause I watched it, uh, years before I had kids,
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give or take, no, not 10 years, like six, seven years before I had kids,
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Jon: Yeah.
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Kearns: would be,
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Jon: can't tell you
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Kearns: he couldn't tell me, Hey, how do you pronounce the demon's name?
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Jon: be,
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Kearns: It's a
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So is that a real anti, I'm a big theology guy and myth
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guy, and I've never heard of a
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Jon: think it was made up for the movie.
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Kearns: Okay.
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So they were like, it's a Sumerian monster that lives in photographs.
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Yeah.
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Ryan: I feel like they took a lot of traditions and Blended it all into one.
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the face is very like, it's mixed.
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It's mixed with Pazuzu.
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It's mixed with a couple other, I feel demons.
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they just picked and chose.
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Jon: type that works for this kind of movie, like,
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Ryan: Yes.
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Jon: and Halloween works because you have them like in the shadows and you,
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light picks up the mask, and that's what all you see of him for a long time.
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Ryan: Yeah.
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Yep.
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Kearns: I never thought about it like that actually, that like working because
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of being in the lighting and stuff.
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Um,
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Ryan: The, the idea of him being the shape, and you can even
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put it in here where, uh, Mr. Boogie, I'll call him Mr. Boogie.
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'cause I like Mr. Boogie.
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When they do like the pictures, when Ethan Hawke is like looking into it and
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he's looking into Mr. Bookie and the deaths of this family and other families,
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eventually you see his silhouette and him in the pictures and the reflections
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and it's just so subtle and that's what they feel with the sequel because
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you want him to be such a mystery and it they do it so well and then it's
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like having him out in the light.
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It doesn't work
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for Michael Myers.
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Yes, because you make him nor you normalize him.
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Mr. Boogie is a demon.
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You can't really normalize a demon, you know
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Kearns: Mr. Boogie.
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Mr. Boogie
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Jon: I think, we'll get into some of the problems with the sequel a little bit
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later on, but I have a game for you guys.
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Kearns: again?
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Ryan: Yes.
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Kearns: Oh, no.
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Okay.
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Jon: it's a
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Ryan: it a mask game?
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Oh, okay.
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Jon: rank with,
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Ryan loves these.
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Jon: with,
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Ryan: I do.
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Kearns: the Gogos.
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Jon: to guess the
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Ryan: Yes.
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Kearns: Oh, okay,
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Ryan: Oh, we've done this before.
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Jon: this, it's gonna be really important to guess the theme pretty early.
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Kearns: okay, okay.
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Don't give him any help.
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'cause he got the theme so fast.
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The last two times.
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Jon: I
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Kearns: I think I got the one before that.
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Jon: he will get it on the first one.
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Alright.
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Kearns: It's a Heney right there.
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Jon: That,
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Ryan: Revenge.
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Okay.
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Jon: So
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one to do we have I spit on your grave.
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And the little bit of trivia I'll throw out about this poster.
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Do you know who that is?
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Ryan: That is Brook Shields.
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Kearns: extra.
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Ryan: Shields.
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Kearns: air anywhere.
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Jon: it is to me Moore.
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Kearns: Really?
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Ryan: Moore.
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I was,
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Kearns: her
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Ryan: I was just reading about her.
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Jon: poster.
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Kearns: They were like, who's got a great ass in Hollywood?
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You know what?
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Good to be
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Ryan: Demi Moore,
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Kearns: make 30 5K to me?
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Wow.
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Jon: Yep.
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Ryan: Private Jane.
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Sergeant Jane.
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Jon: gi
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Ryan: Private Jane.
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Right.
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Gi,
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Jon: Jane.
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Ryan: GI Jane.
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There we go.
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Jon: probably a private
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Ryan: Who was,
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Kearns: actually.
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Ryan: that was a little indecent, uh, proposal right there.
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Jon: It ha it did have some substance behind it.
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Kearns: what's the one with her and Mike Douglas where she raped him.
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Ryan: Oh, I know what you're talking, yes.
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Kearns: next.
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Jon: All right.
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Ryan: Well, if
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Jon: where do
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Ryan: talking about.
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Jon: rank?
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I spit on your grave without having an idea of what's gonna come next.
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Kearns: Or what the
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Ryan: If this is the original,
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Jon: I.
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Ryan: alright, I'm gonna put it safely at three.
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I don't know what else you're gonna put on, but that is a three for for me.
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Kearns: It's a good movie.
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Ryan: Yes it is.
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Kearns: of movies.
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They like the Jodi Foster, uh, of this 20 years ago too.
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Um,
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Ryan: Yes.
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Kearns: with two, but I know John's an absolutely insidious
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prick when it comes to this stuff.
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So I'm gonna go with four.
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I spit on your grave.
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I'm gonna go the other way.
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know it seems sacrilegious, but I have a feeling he's got something in store for us
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Jon: misery
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Kearns: crazy
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Ryan: Capture captured coming back from the.
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Kearns: Well, they didn't though,
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Jon: crazy women.
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And what did you say, Ron?
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Kearns: coming back from the grave.
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Jon: back from the grave.
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Kearns: All right, this is
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Ryan: All right.
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Kearns: is, women serial killers.
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Well, she's uh, she's technically a serial killer.
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Jon: is not women's serial killers.
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Ryan: Killed in your own home.
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Jon: in
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Kearns: He doesn't get killed in his zone home though.
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Oh, she does?
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I suppose.
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Spoiler alert for misery.
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Jon: That's
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Kearns: I'm glad I didn't take three because I'm gonna use, I'm gonna
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use misery right here for three.
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Ryan: I'll put misery at four.
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Kearns: misery a lot, but it's, it's a tough watch these days.
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It's a tough hang.
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the, the long shot of the snow outside for the 15th time in the movie.
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And then she's like, cock doodle duty.
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go, all right, Annie Wilkes, relax.
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Ryan: Listen, she just wants to serve him.
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Breakfast in bed, ankles intact.
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Kearns: it be
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Ryan: That's all right.
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Kearns: poster, her left hand was massaging his big toe there?
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I think that would add something to it.
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Ooh, look at the skulls.
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I've never noticed
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Ryan: Look.
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Kearns: Now this must be
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Ryan: Oh, that's cool.
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Jon: is from the cover of the shout or scream factory
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Ryan: I was gonna say Screen Factory does awesome.
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Covers when they go into detail.
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We were talking about that Friday 13th box set.
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Not this
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beautiful art.
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Sorry.
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Kearns: or the items?
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The hammer, the knife.
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Is this movies where people No.
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Okay.
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Jon: next,
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Ryan: Oh, they're all Stephen King projects.
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Kearns: your grave isn't.
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Ryan: Crap.
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Kearns: He should get, he should lose points for that.
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He should lose points from previous episodes
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Ryan: You were, you were like, quick McGraw right there.
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Jon: minus
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Kearns: I knew what you were gonna say.
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And then I gonna unlive myself if I, I missed it again.
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Jon: ordered them so that you wouldn't make that.
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Guess.
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Kearns: He did it anyway.
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Ryan: I know I span your grave.
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You could've liked it though.
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I'm gonna, if this is, if this is the original Salem lot,
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ah,
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Jon: TV
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Ryan: I'm gonna, we have two more after this, right?
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You know what, I'm gonna put that at number one because I really love the
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miniseries, the original, especially es, especially a, especially after
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reading the book, this is like the only true like, adaptation of Salem's lot.
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That gets it down
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to a point.
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Kearns: Kind of.
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Jon: It's
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Kearns: I spit on your grave really?
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Isn't that?
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Jon: nice
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Ryan: Ooh, a great guess.
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Kearns: Or what is Barlow and Salem's lot have to do with Annie Wilkes.
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Now I'm wondering if this is producers and stuff.
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Ryan: Under, under control by a presence.
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'cause your country,
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no.
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Kearns: Not
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Ryan: Man,
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Kearns: your grave, right?
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She wasn't.
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And Annie Wilkes is just crazy.
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Ryan: Annie Wilkes is controlled by
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to be in
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Kearns: anti-hero at worst than a hero.
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Hero at best in, uh, castle Rock, that's the best season of Castle Rock when Annie
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Ryan: season two.
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Kearns: Salem's lots.
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Number two for me.
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By the way,
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Ryan: Oh, okay.
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Kearns: Ryan.
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Ryan: I don't think, oh, hold on.
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Jon: see
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next
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Kearns: We're rooting for you now, buddy.
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You need this?
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You're sick.
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Jon: hurt your, hurt you guys with how you just ranked Salem's lot.
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Kearns: Oh, sweet.
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No.
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Why?
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How would that hurt me?
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Number one,
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Ryan: It's, it's not gonna hurt him.
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And I'll put this at number two.
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Kearns: I,
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Ryan: no, I have number two already.
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No,
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I'll do number two for In Mouth and Madness.
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That's a good movie.
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Kearns: another one though.
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Sutter Kane, Stephen King.
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Adjacent, but not really king.
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This one is eldrich.
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This is weird.
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This is, this is so different.
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Ryan: There, the, all these movies have novelists in them.
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Kearns: Yes.
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Good job, dude.
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Good job.
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Ryan: You know what Salem's Law should have been the freaking,
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that should have been the key.
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'cause he's a novelist who goes back to Jerusalem.
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Kearns: on your grave, which is so dumb of me.
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Yeah,
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Ryan: Yep.
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Kearns: that.
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I was too busy thinking about to be mores but
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Jon: All right.
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Which means I'm gonna bet that the two of you can guess what
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your number five is about to be.
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Any guesses?
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Kearns: a novelist.
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You know, maybe this is our redemption
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Jon: It's not.
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Kearns: that has a novelist.
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Oh, the
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Ryan: The Shining.
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Yeah.
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Kearns: not be number
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Ryan: Uh, that should not be number five either.
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No.
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Kearns: things with novelists in it.
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He's very on.
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Jon: too.
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Kearns: Yeah.
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He's got a ton
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Jon: with
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Kearns: bag of bones.
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Is there?
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Jon: the one with Johnny Depp.
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Kearns: Yeah,
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Ryan: yep.
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Kearns: window.
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Ryan: Dream.
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Yep.
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Secret window.
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I was gonna say Dream Catcher for some reason.
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That's a whole other movie
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Jon: completely
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different
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Kearns: And that's kind of what Dream Catcher is, to be honest with you.
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If you read it, you feel like your rear window was invaded.
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I wasn't a big fan of Dream Catcher film adaptation or the novel,
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Ryan: and it looks so good.
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Trailer wise.
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They built it up.
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Kearns: The Dome, I liked a bunch of his other stuff that got like doo McKee.
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I liked those.
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Lizzie's story I like a lot Rose Matter.
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I did not like, um,
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Ryan: Which one?
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Oh, okay.
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I thought you were saying Rosemary's Baby And got cut out and I was like, oh.
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All right.
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Kearns: Matter was so
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Ryan: Uh
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Kearns: trouble like remembering what it's about actually.
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But I've read everything Stephen King ever wrote.
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I think I, I got around to read the Colorado Kid one.
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Like he had
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Ryan: yep.
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Kearns: things.
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He came out and I was waiting.
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Ryan: Colorado kid.
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And, um, oh, the,
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one.
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Ryan: The carnival one was supposed to be excellent later, is I think
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the most interesting because it leads into the shine a little bit
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Kearns: it makes
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Ryan: to show like the shine is more, it's growing during that time.
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Kearns: own universe.
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And speaking of being in your own universe, this is kinder right here.
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It's a short story collection.
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Where is it?
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There it is.
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Short Story Collection by Martin Kerns.
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He's an amazing author.
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You should talk about him all the time at dinner with your family and friends.
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Ryan: I haven't read the third novel in the valor of the Valla series.
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I'm waiting for that.
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Um.
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Reading Kinder on and off again.
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I do like that short story collection.
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I really do.
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Kearns: I know because
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Ryan: It is,
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Kearns: Damn it.
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Ryan: yeah, that
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Kearns: Damn
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Ryan: you weren't supposed to say that
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you weren't aort
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Aort,
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Kearns: he is not a good friend, is a dark fantasy horror adjacent in the beginning,
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horror adjacent, and then really mostly
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Ryan: yes.
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Kearns: continue rolling.
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Um,
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Ryan: You got a mix of horror in there.
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Kearns: you did.
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Jon: usually the, I'm usually the last one.
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Speaking of bad
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Ryan: I've been,
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Kearns: if you're watching this, you're a good friend, Cindy.
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You're the best
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Ryan: uh,
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Kearns: reads 'em and, and curates reviews and then asks me to read them.
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I can't read your reviews.
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It's against Amazon's policy.
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Just post what you feel and she's very nice.
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But anyway, back to sinister,
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Ryan: you think,
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Kearns: after getting
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Ryan: you think Oswald.
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Kearns: that damn blind rank.
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Um, so we got Ethan Hawk, the least likable novelist ever 'cause
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he is a novelist who sold out.
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God, I can't wait.
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I would sell out in a second.
17:25
Phantom.
17:26
If you're still in business, give me a call.
17:29
I'll do anything you want I'll write anything
17:31
Ryan: he sold out the wrong reasons though.
17:33
Like he had a job already.
17:35
Okay.
17:36
You don't wanna write textbooks, write the textbooks during the
17:38
day and write your fiction, true crime at night, make some money.
17:43
He's like, no, I just want to be an artist at,
17:45
Kearns: He's kind of a douche.
17:46
He's, he's,
17:49
yeah.
17:49
Then he's like,
17:50
Ryan: no, he wanted to be true crime.
17:51
Kearns: weird directions.
17:52
Yeah.
17:52
And then he's basically just chased the money.
17:54
Right.
17:54
Because he had that big hit true crime, and then he had to come up with
17:58
his next big idea for the publisher.
18:00
Jon: as an author, he's kind of like a method actor.
18:03
Like he has to like live the lives of the people moving in next door and
18:08
Ryan: Yes.
18:09
Jon: the actual murder house.
18:13
Kearns: That's
18:14
Ryan: Which he.
18:15
He didn't even tell his wife.
18:16
He's like, yeah, we're, we're like a few house.
18:18
We're not living in the house,
18:20
or we're not near the crime scene.
18:23
Jon: down from the crime scene again?
18:27
Kearns: No
18:28
Ryan: Oh, that reveal is, that Reveal was hilarious when he's like, nah,
18:33
Kearns: Oh,
18:33
Ryan: they were just hanging outside.
18:35
Don't worry.
18:36
Kearns: so funny because first of all, speaking of deputy, deputy,
18:40
'cause they don't give deputy a name.
18:41
They don't name the wife.
18:43
The wife isn't listed.
18:44
Um, I don't even know the actress's name 'cause she's not listed on
18:47
the cast until you get to like 20
18:49
Ryan: see.
18:50
Kearns: she's Ellison's wife basically for this podcast.
18:53
'cause we can't
18:54
Ryan: Juliet, Juliet Rylance as Tracy Oswald and
18:59
James Ranon as Deputy D. So and so.
19:04
Jon: he's the star of sinister two and they don't name him.
19:10
Kearns: is Epic.
19:11
Jon: so and so in the second one also.
19:16
Kearns: So
19:16
Ryan: And James Ranon is a really, really good actor.
19:21
He is.
19:21
I feel like he's very underrated.
19:23
He was Eddie in it, chapter two,
19:25
he's maxed on the black phone and uh, he's Ziggy Sobaka in the show.
19:31
The Wire in the second season, whether focused on the docs.
19:34
He's done some really good roles and I feel like he doesn't get
19:38
as much credit as he should.
19:40
Kearns: a big film.
19:40
He needs a breakout in a movie that makes $200 million.
19:43
Um, I think that's,
19:45
Ryan: Sinister two.
19:46
Kearns: well that, that would be a bad thing to be in sinister too.
19:51
So I think his career's probably over actually,
19:54
Jon: Before our thoughts, do you guys want to hear some other
19:56
people's thoughts on this movie?
19:59
Kearns: or the fan,
20:00
Ryan: Yeah, I'm ready.
20:00
Kearns: enjoy hearing other people's thoughts on these movies.
20:05
Ryan: Which, I'm curious, was there a lot of five stars for this or
20:08
did you get a lot of one stars or?
20:10
Jon: good mix of fives and ones.
20:13
I don't
20:14
Ryan: Okay
20:15
Jon: on the fives though, to be honest.
20:16
I want the ones, the ones or
20:18
Ryan: there.
20:19
Jon: The fives are, you know, the fives are like this.
20:22
Five stars for sinister, absolutely love the movie.
20:28
like it is really underrated or maybe people have forgotten the
20:31
actual feel of horror and fright.
20:34
movie really sets everything up in the most perfect way, and although it doesn't
20:39
have many jump scares, which I would say is a good thing, still manages to
20:43
scare a lot of, a lot of part of me.
20:47
Kearns: Oh,
20:48
Jon: recommend it to every horror movie lover out there.
20:51
Again, five stars, four sinister,
20:54
Kearns: hope those part of you really did get scared.
20:57
Jon: of him,
21:00
Ryan: I hope he didn't find a box of videotapes upstairs in his attic.
21:03
'cause that would be scary.
21:05
Jon: but as,
21:06
Ryan: Super eight.
21:07
Jon: always gonna hate a movie.
21:09
Here's
21:10
Kearns: Well before we do the One Star, like that you brought
21:14
up the lack of jump scares.
21:16
I feel like one of the things this movie did so well was
21:18
Build Dread and then when there
21:21
Ryan: Yes,
21:21
Kearns: moments, it was like, um, even though this is a terrible scene
21:25
to reference for this reason, that scene in signs when the alien walks
21:29
by the camera and uh, and Joaquin Phoenix is watching it in the closet.
21:34
That made
21:35
Ryan: yes,
21:36
Kearns: jump though because the buildup was done.
21:37
So like, well, um, and it was more impactful.
21:41
Everybody remembers that, but nobody remembers when he saw
21:43
the thing standing on the roof.
21:44
'cause that was a generic jump scare.
21:46
So like this sinister does that really well, where it really, it
21:50
earns your terror in those ways.
21:52
Jon: the jump scares, but you gotta earn 'em.
21:55
Like just throwing
21:57
Ryan: yes.
21:57
Jon: you jump is not effective horror.
22:00
Ryan: And Siner does a good job building up that.
22:03
Like we said earlier, that thrill, it builds up the scary elements
22:06
where when the jump scare does happen, but I feel like mostly the
22:10
horror is directed to a lot of the film footage that, Ellison watches.
22:15
I feel like that's where more of the horror is.
22:17
'cause it's that build of is it gonna happen?
22:20
Is it not gonna happen?
22:22
What is Mr. Boogie?
22:23
Jon: yeah.
22:24
Ryan: You know,
22:27
I just love the name Mr. Boogie.
22:31
I just see him dancing in Soul Train.
22:33
Just
22:34
Jon: four sinister.
22:36
of the worst horrors I've ever seen, except I had to give up
22:41
about halfway through as it didn't deserve any more of my time.
22:46
Wasted time.
22:49
Ryan: Blasphemy.
22:51
Jon: Being
22:52
Kearns: make it to the best part.
22:53
Jon: he didn't.
22:54
Being forced to
22:56
Ryan: No.
22:57
Jon: Hawk sifting through a seemingly never ending abundance of cliched
23:03
found footage severing any investment.
23:06
I hope this film could have been massively failing to live up
23:10
to its best horror ever status.
23:13
Honestly, on earth is so wrong with all you Easily pleased Horror junkies.
23:20
The film is atrocious.
23:24
I gave up when some cheesy snake wriggles out of a box thinking
23:29
Kearns: Oh, okay.
23:29
Jon: here.
23:30
Amateur cheap tricks already exhausted to death and is why I
23:35
largely quit the genre Aons ago, but fell for the bogus marketing.
23:41
So I'm here to steer you well away.
23:45
It's so dull and carelessly.
23:48
Unengaging.
23:50
Completely bored my brains out.
23:55
Kearns: Your brains
23:56
Ryan: This is a person
23:59
damn straight.
24:00
Kearns: say though, does have some credence with the cliche stuff.
24:03
But the cliche stuff is purposely used, purposefully used, I should say.
24:08
it's, it's well done it.
24:10
Ethan Hawk plays a remarkably unlikable character that is the
24:14
Ryan: Yeah,
24:15
Kearns: this movie.
24:16
And the movie works really well for starters.
24:19
And also that's one of the reasons why the ending is so good.
24:22
'cause like you're like, oh well, okay.
24:25
But I like, I don't, I don't buy the, the whole it ruins you or takes you out thing.
24:31
the whole time you're focused on what the hell's going on.
24:34
Jon: I mean, listen, I don't love cliches, but they're cliches for a reason.
24:38
Sometimes they
24:40
Kearns: Yeah.
24:41
This was a good use of them, I cannot deny that they are there.
24:45
They are there and tropes.
24:46
Lots of tropes.
24:49
Ryan: they're there, but they're done in a way where it makes sense for the story.
24:53
Kearns: Yeah.
24:54
Ryan: Like you see it, you're like, oh, this is okay, this is cool.
24:57
And then it gut punches you.
24:59
And again, I, I'll go back to it.
25:00
The footage is where it gut punches you.
25:03
'cause you see a lot of this, oh, everyone's all happy.
25:06
That's where the gut punch is and it's right in front of you.
25:09
So they're, uh, Scott, uh, what's his name?
25:12
Scott.
25:13
Um, I want to mispronounce his name.
25:15
Derrickson just puts it right in front of you, um, through his
25:19
direction as well as his writing.
25:22
And it's very easy for the audience to get comfortable or kind of get used to that
25:27
vibe that they're in that chilling vibe.
25:30
And it's fair, I think,
25:31
Jon: that we reviewed that we're doing this shortly after doing black phone,
25:36
which is sort of his evolution in horror,
25:41
Ryan: which
25:42
Jon: is a more complete movie, I think, than sinister.
25:46
Ryan: yes.
25:47
Kearns: Yeah,
25:48
Jon: is good.
25:48
Sinister iss really good at what it does for me.
25:50
Sinister is not re watchable particularly because I know what's gonna happen
25:56
Kearns: that's
25:57
Ryan: Okay.
25:58
Kearns: sinister.
25:59
Jon: that what, that's
26:00
Ryan: Yeah.
26:01
Jon: for sinister.
26:01
The first time you see it, for me, lit. I, you know, I went in blind.
26:06
These things happened and it was effective.
26:09
Watching it,
26:10
Ryan: Well, you realize,
26:11
Jon: you know?
26:14
Kearns: Right.
26:15
Ryan: yeah, I was gonna say, you were talking about his
26:17
Blumhouse production evolution.
26:19
Uh, Ethan Hawke plays a dick in each one of those movies.
26:22
The Purge sinister, I mean, he's the antagonist in the black
26:27
phone and the black phone too.
26:29
But his evolution of becoming more of a dick evolves till he becomes the villain,
26:34
because in the purge, he's like, well, he's the one who creates the whole system.
26:39
And then he's like, yeah, I'm, I got no worries.
26:41
Just tid the alarm.
26:42
We're all good.
26:43
And then he becomes like more into himself.
26:46
Narcissistic, I would say
26:48
this film.
26:48
Sinister.
26:49
Kearns: fun to watch a narcissist die.
26:52
Ryan: Hey, Lex Luger.
26:54
on The narcissist.
26:55
Kearns: knows a few narcissists, and they suck.
26:58
Jon: They
26:58
Kearns: They're out there.
26:59
They're out there
27:00
Ryan: Yeah, they are.
27:02
I like, I don't get it.
27:03
You can, like I, I, I mentioned Lex Luger.
27:06
He could have been a narcissist.
27:08
He had the body, he had the looks.
27:10
The titanium elbow.
27:11
What?
27:12
No,
27:12
Kearns: I
27:13
Ryan: Lex Luger.
27:13
Kearns: I kept thinking Luther, so I was like, who the hell is he talking about?
27:18
I
27:19
Ryan: He is a narcissist too.
27:20
Lex Luer too.
27:21
I mean, anyone named Lex is a narcissist by digress.
27:25
Kearns: Is that short for
27:26
Ryan: um, that's a yes.
27:27
Yeah.
27:27
Alexander for
27:30
if we
27:33
l Luther.
27:35
Kearns: But yeah, I think, the fact that we get into the movie, we don't like
27:39
Ethan Hawke's character the entire time.
27:41
Ellison, like Ellison, the author, or Brett Easton Ellison, maybe that's
27:46
what they were going for there.
27:47
His wife is struggling to like, not wanna murder him herself
27:50
because he's such a. Dick and
27:53
Ryan: Yep.
27:53
Kearns: this is going on, the found footage stuff's going on and he's trying
27:56
to piece together who killed the family?
27:58
Well, not even necessarily, he's just investigating for the book
28:01
and he sort of stumbles on entity that lives within the pictures and
28:06
he sees the entity in the pictures
28:08
Ryan: Yeah.
28:09
Kearns: and then rolling
28:09
Ryan: Yep.
28:10
Kearns: plot.
28:10
Really, that's basically what we get.
28:12
We get a little bit of him finding out like, well, we know how the family's
28:16
not alive themselves or each other.
28:18
Ryan: Yep.
28:19
Kearns: and then when he's
28:20
Ryan: And they're, rough.
28:21
I mean, I, I just wanna say you got like pool party 66,
28:26
barbecue 79 1 work 86, which is.
28:30
Yeah, that is, I knew that was gonna be the rough one when they showed that last.
28:35
I was like, okay.
28:36
Sleepy time 98, that one wasn't as bad.
28:39
And family hanging out 11.
28:42
the titles.
28:43
The titles is what gets you like, like how they introduce you.
28:48
Kearns: Everybody, if you don't remember.
28:51
Ryan: Yep.
28:51
And it, starts off with the bang with him investigating the family hanging out.
28:55
But to go to the lawn work, like you can even just hear it.
28:59
You don't know what to expect.
29:01
Is it a chainsaw?
29:02
Is it hedge clippers?
29:04
Like, 'cause it's also the eighties.
29:06
Like what, what are we doing here?
29:07
And you see the push mower and the blood just go against, like, that's my fear
29:12
Kearns: Yeah.
29:13
Ryan: in the day.
29:14
Like falling and, you know.
29:17
Kearns: blended.
29:18
Yes.
29:19
Ryan: Yeah.
29:20
Yes.
29:21
Jon: that way
29:23
Kearns: Oh yeah.
29:25
Oh,
29:26
Jon: out.
29:26
She flipped it over to try to get it un like unstuck, and she got it unstuck,
29:30
but she hadn't like shut it off and got a
29:36
Ryan: that's why you flip it over.
29:39
You get a stick and you just
29:40
Kearns: turn
29:41
Ryan: tap it a little bit.
29:42
Jon: Or,
29:43
Ryan: Well, yes, that too.
29:44
Sorry, my bad.
29:45
Jon: It gets stuck.
29:47
You turn it off, you'll walk away.
29:49
You have a couple drinks and you come back to it later.
29:53
Kearns: Oh, that my, then you lose the whole hand.
29:57
Ryan: That's
29:58
death.
29:59
Death mower, 5,000.
30:00
Kearns: excavator operator named Joe Mike when I was a kid, when I was 22 or 23.
30:05
And I was working this job where I used to dig up oil tanks and
30:08
then I'd have to get in the oil tanks and vacuum up the old oil.
30:11
It was a, it was the worst job, but it paid enough for me to get through college.
30:14
So I would go this job and Joe Mike would, was the wackiest most irresponsible.
30:21
And he had one arm from sticking his arm inside of the treads of
30:24
one of the machines, and there was no lockout tagout or anything.
30:27
And he ripped his arm off when the tread went.
30:29
he has his arm at the elbow, so he pushes the, the knobs and levers with this arm.
30:33
He is got the cigarette hanging out of his mouth, the window opened,
30:36
and this thing, and he just, he leans over, he's got his left arm.
30:39
So he was leaning over to get his pack of cigarettes in the machine and he.
30:42
Pushes the lever.
30:43
So the boom of the machine comes over and hits me knocks me into a
30:49
22 foot hole filled with oily water.
30:51
We're digging in this guy's yard.
30:53
So I'm down there and I'm just like, luckily it didn't hit me in the head
30:55
or anything, just like I took it on my shoulder and Ben back and went in.
30:59
when I'm down there I'm like, well, now I gotta wait for this dummy
31:03
to put the bucket down and get me.
31:05
So I have to hold out of the teeth of the bucket and have it pull me
31:08
back out of the hole and drop me on the ground next to the hole.
31:12
So that's
31:13
Ryan: You.
31:14
Kearns: my, uh, fun story about losing fingers and arms.
31:17
Sometimes the
31:18
Ryan: literally worked.
31:19
Kearns: that
31:20
Ryan: You literally worked,
31:21
Kearns: to lose their finger.
31:24
Ryan: you literally worked with the one arm bandit, sir.
31:26
Kearns: did.
31:26
Jon: You
31:27
Kearns: Mike did some wacky stuff.
31:29
Jon: Those
31:30
Ryan: One armed,
31:31
Jon: kill
31:31
Ryan: one
31:32
Jon: I.
31:34
Kearns: Well.
31:34
I think I've got a pretty good idea.
31:37
It's been 23 years, there's, or 20?
31:40
No, about 20 years.
31:41
Um, he's definitely dead.
31:43
There's no way he's still alive.
31:45
Jon: of recklessness
31:46
Ryan: he comes out in a trench coat,
31:50
Kearns: He had gray
31:50
Ryan: trench coat,
31:51
Kearns: in and that was a miracle.
31:54
So there's my Joe Mike story.
31:55
I wish there was a video tape of that Kerns going in the hole.
32:00
2004.
32:01
Jon: could recreate it if
32:02
Ryan: Jesus Christ.
32:04
Kearns: thank you.
32:05
Jon: us through three,
32:06
Ryan: No, that's, that's a big spill, man.
32:08
Kearns: My near death experiences on the job site are hopefully behind me now.
32:12
Jon: hopefully.
32:13
Ryan: Uh.
32:14
Kearns: that one.
32:16
one.
32:16
Ryan: I,
32:17
Kearns: No thanks.
32:19
Ryan: yeah.
32:19
Nah, I'm too old for that stuff too.
32:22
Like, you think about it, like, I jumped down a flight of steps
32:26
for like a college video and it's like, I, I can't do that no more.
32:31
And I missed one of the step we were shooting.
32:33
Um, I'll, I'll, do we war?
32:35
Kearns: actually a film
32:36
Ryan: No, no.
32:38
Uh, um, it was in, um, in college we were filming a World War II video and the
32:43
shot we had was some, a Nazi soldier was gonna get duck gunned down and the person
32:47
who was agreed to do it, uh, jump ship, they were too afraid to take the fall.
32:52
I said I would do it.
32:53
We set up two mattresses, a couple mats, and I took the jump.
32:58
Luckily I only hit my lower back in between the steps, but the
33:03
rest of the flight was good.
33:04
Afterwards.
33:05
I had a cigarette and I was all good to go.
33:07
But you, you, you're able to do that crazy shit.
33:11
And then it's like, as you get older, you're like, Nope.
33:15
No, not, not anymore.
33:16
Kearns: No, you can't do it anymore.
33:18
It's also even just working hard.
33:20
Yes, you can't.
33:21
Ryan: Yes.
33:22
Kearns: just wants to watch us be in pain.
33:23
Jon: it just hurts a whole lot more.
33:25
You can still do it.
33:27
Kearns: That's true.
33:29
Ryan: Let me, let me ask you guys what was, not trying to be sick
33:33
or anything here, but which one of the found footage was like the one
33:39
you were like regretting to see?
33:41
I feel like me and Ence have agreed on the lawn work.
33:44
Um, John, what was yours?
33:46
Like when you saw it?
33:46
Was it the lawn work or was it like.
33:48
Jon: I,
33:50
Ryan: Sleepy time.
33:51
Jon: I.
33:53
Kearns: Really?
33:53
Ryan: pool is rough too.
33:55
How they drag, how they get dragged in by their necks
33:59
Jon: it's
33:59
Ryan: just
34:01
Kearns: that one is also very.
34:03
It's altered.
34:05
They're, altered.
34:05
You can tell that something weird is going on.
34:08
They're not
34:09
Ryan: Yes.
34:10
Kearns: drowned, you know?
34:13
Well, it's tricky.
34:17
Ryan: yes and no.
34:18
I feel like they get into this state, like they're like, they're zoned
34:24
Kearns: Yeah.
34:25
Ryan: and they're like, like, except, except for, well
34:30
spoiler, except for Allison.
34:32
But you know, the whole family seem like they're in their whole zone and
34:38
they realize some of 'em are realizing what's going on and some of them are
34:41
just kind of going with what's going on.
34:44
It's interesting.
34:45
Kearns: good.
34:46
It's, that's what's the creepy aspect of it that puts this movie a few notches
34:50
above where you, it would be otherwise those types of scenes, the way they did
34:54
those small little bits of direction with the pool party scene and stuff.
34:59
And you two bastards know, I don't really like the idea of like, blades lopping off
35:03
large heaps of flesh and things like that.
35:05
After he, he made me watch, bring her back.
35:09
You're such jerks that movie.
35:11
I wouldn't, Ugh.
35:12
Jon: I didn't make you watch that.
35:15
That was
35:15
Kearns: true.
35:16
Ryan did.
35:17
did.
35:18
Uh, that's like, he's, yeah.
35:20
Look at how happy he is.
35:21
You suck.
35:22
Jon: you
35:22
a
35:23
Kearns: suck.
35:23
He's.
35:24
Jon: ignored me on that.
35:26
I said, I said it's a good movie, but it's not something
35:28
we could ever do for the pod.
35:31
Kearns: Yeah, we probably won't do that for the pod.
35:33
It's just
35:34
Ryan: As,
35:35
as, as a horror,
35:37
as a,
35:37
Jon: that.
35:39
Ryan: as a horror movie enthusiast, you, you should at least watch it.
35:43
And to be honest, like that being one of my favorite possession films.
35:47
Kearns: Is it
35:48
Ryan: Over topping the exer.
35:50
It's, it's considered a possession film.
35:51
Yes.
35:52
Kearns: or is it an old
35:53
Ryan: Yeah.
35:54
Kearns: some voodoo
35:55
Jon: possession film, I think.
35:58
Kearns: Yeah, well, I
35:59
Ryan: I mean,
36:01
Kearns: the, knife biter.
36:04
Ryan: give us, give us, give us a comment.
36:06
Give us your vote.
36:07
Give us opinion.
36:08
If you want us to see us do, bring her back.
36:10
Let us know.
36:12
Everyone's been vocal.
36:13
I mean, we got, we got, listen, we got a comment today from um, a
36:19
gentleman who follows us, who mentioned they watched the black phone too.
36:22
They said that was horrible, which we called it.
36:26
Just saying on that
36:28
Kearns: we figured it was gonna be
36:29
Jon: didn't, when you don't have to make sequels sinister.
36:32
Two, don't
36:33
make
36:34
Kearns: Yeah.
36:35
Sinister
36:36
Ryan: black phone two is very scarily.
36:40
Very, and I'll say it's scarily.
36:41
It's scarily similar to Nightmare on Elm Street.
36:44
Jon: of
36:45
Ryan: I haven't seen the movie yet, but I've read what they did.
36:49
It is very nightmare on Elm Street.
36:51
Kearns: and you're giving like a detailed
36:53
Ryan: street.
36:53
Kearns: or opinion without having seen it first.
36:56
I,
36:57
Ryan: I just saw.
36:58
Kearns: minutes of it in the movie theater when I was watching the
37:00
Mallard movie with my wife and kids.
37:02
Where'd you go?
37:03
I was just in the bathroom for a bit.
37:05
All right.
37:06
So, um,
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Jon: like
37:08
Kearns: this,
37:09
Jon: who hated this?
37:11
Kearns: yes.
37:11
And then we'll get to
37:13
Ryan: I'm interested.
37:13
Kearns: the movie.
37:14
Jon: star.
37:14
First sinister.
37:16
I saw a review about the scariest movies of all time, and they put this at the top.
37:22
The same list had Hereditary in the Top Five, which I agree with.
37:26
Hereditary was definitely one of the scariest movies I've ever seen, so I
37:31
assumed this would be on par with that.
37:34
a laughable attempt at a horror movie.
37:38
Yeah, the home movie scenes were a little disturbing, but
37:42
everything else was predictable.
37:44
actually shook my head and laughed a few times during
37:47
parts I assume were to be scary.
37:51
Sinister gets a one out of five for me.
37:53
Don't
37:57
Kearns: Jesus, man.
37:58
These people are the
37:59
Ryan: Definitely bother,
38:00
Kearns: it.
38:00
So it's the worst movie I've ever seen in my entire life,
38:04
and now I'm going back to bed.
38:07
It's such a
38:08
Ryan: but
38:09
But these are the people.
38:11
These are the people.
38:12
Jon: this has to be the worst or the best I've ever seen.
38:16
You have.
38:18
Ryan: I can't be Okay.
38:19
Jon: sinister,
38:20
is the worst or the best horror movie you've ever seen, you
38:24
need to watch a lot more horror.
38:28
Ryan: yes.
38:29
Jon: lot.
38:30
Kearns: Yeah.
38:30
I
38:30
Ryan: Yeah.
38:31
Yeah.
38:31
Kearns: so I could see three.
38:33
I could see three and a half.
38:34
I could see four.
38:35
I could see four and a half.
38:36
I could even see five.
38:37
I don't think it's a five myself, but yeah,
38:40
Ryan: I'll do four.
38:40
Kearns: I think
38:41
Ryan: four
38:41
Kearns: five,
38:42
Ryan: four.
38:43
Kearns: This is a solid B minus of a
38:45
Ryan: Yep.
38:46
Oh, no, no.
38:47
I would give it a B.
38:48
Kearns: an 80 is.
38:49
An 80 is a
38:50
Ryan: All, all, all, all right.
38:50
Four
38:51
Kearns: 83
38:52
Ryan: four and a half.
38:52
Kearns: an 86
38:53
Ryan: and a half.
38:56
Kearns: Yeah.
38:56
Ryan: Fuck.
38:57
Kearns: That's why I need the 0.2.
38:58
Point two five matters.
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Jon: go about a three, three and a half.
39:01
First sinister.
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Ryan: Three and a half.
39:05
All right.
39:08
Kearns: Every
39:09
Ryan: Well, three and a half,
39:12
four point 15
39:14
Kearns: Oh
39:14
Ryan: sets of the second square.
39:17
Kearns: Very nice.
39:19
nice.
39:19
But this movie, this movie was enjoyable.
39:22
My wife and I were, she wasn't, she hadn't passed all the tests yet at the time.
39:27
She wasn't quite
39:28
Ryan: You didn't do, you didn't do the door test yet, did you?
39:31
Kearns: where you kick her out
39:32
Ryan: Did she unlock you?
39:33
Kearns: can find her way back in and if
39:35
Ryan: No, it's the Bronx tail.
39:36
Kearns: Yeah.
39:37
Ryan: gotta have her unlock the door as you walk.
39:39
I had a
39:40
Kearns: It was 2012.
39:42
I, I unlocked with
39:43
Ryan: Oh,
39:44
Kearns: and got in the
39:45
Ryan: oh fuck that I've done that.
39:47
Kearns: I were in a
39:48
Ryan: I've done.
39:48
Kearns: like 1145 at night after this movie.
39:50
And, uh, the same theater I still go to actually.
39:53
And we were sitting under a street light and we just sat in the car for a while
39:56
and we're like, that was a scary movie.
39:58
That was a really scary movie.
40:01
And it was funny.
40:02
I remember that we sat there talking about it for a long time.
40:05
We lived together at the
40:06
Ryan: See,
40:07
Kearns: home together, but
40:08
Ryan: oh, okay.
40:09
Kearns: I
40:09
Ryan: I was gonna say you're, you're taking your dates on horror movies.
40:14
My dates at the time were like, what movie do you want to go see?
40:17
Oh, I wanna go see Inception.
40:18
Really?
40:19
Yeah.
40:19
Yes.
40:20
Kearns: to do that.
40:21
Take her to the horror movies.
40:22
Ryan: My day, my day fell asleep on that one.
40:24
I was like, yeah, I love this movie.
40:26
This is great.
40:26
Kearns: it.
40:26
A dream.
40:27
Ryan,
40:28
Ryan: She was in a dream.
40:30
I might be living in a dream world.
40:32
I don't know.
40:33
I woke it up.
40:34
Kearns: I
40:35
Ryan: I'm gonna wake up.
40:35
It's 1995.
40:36
Kearns: But,
40:37
Ryan: My Game Boy's on with Pokemon Red.
40:39
But again, getting back to, hold on.
40:42
We're talking about sinister.
40:43
Kearns: give him, give him
40:44
Ryan: Yes,
40:45
Kearns: He's,
40:46
Ryan: we're talking about sinister.
40:48
Kearns: Just so everybody knows.
40:49
And he's out here.
40:50
He's out here in these streets.
40:51
For you people.
40:52
Ryan: I am.
40:53
I am.
40:54
I, listen.
40:55
I'm a who?
40:56
Magnet.
40:57
A definitely.
40:58
Ethan Hawke.
40:58
Not Guy Pierce.
40:59
Not Guy.
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Pierce.
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Kearns: I,
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Ryan: What?
41:02
I'm a horror magnet.
41:03
Kearns: whore.
41:03
He did say whore,
41:04
Jon: that R at the end.
41:06
at
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Ryan: Don't.
41:06
Jon: important to get on there.
41:09
Kearns: yeah.
41:10
Ryan: So listen, how I in writing is when I say horror,
41:16
it comes out as the other one.
41:19
It comes out as horror, horror, horror.
41:22
Kearns: So, all right, so finish what you were saying about the movie, so
41:25
we can, we can talk about the end.
41:27
Ryan: Well, that, that's what I was gonna connect to actually, um,
41:30
with the ending, um, each of these deaths happen in a different city.
41:35
So each time a family moves into the house, a death occurs, family moves
41:40
in, they take the curse with them.
41:43
So when we get to the end, um, Ellison is kind of realizing
41:47
all the shit is going down.
41:49
He's gotta get his family out of there.
41:51
Um, deputy so and so basically helps him get, get, sorry.
41:55
So and so Deputy, so and so gets him to his
41:59
Kearns: accurate name.
42:01
Jon: sort of a problem to me because at
42:04
Kearns: Yeah.
42:05
Jon: the beginning, at the beginning of the movie, you get,
42:07
Ryan: He's like.
42:08
Jon: as the sheriff coming out there and sort of warning Ellison a way.
42:13
And know, it's brought, brought up that he has frequently portrayed
42:18
police in a bad light in his books.
42:22
And then out of nowhere here comes deputy so and so to offer help.
42:29
I'll
42:30
Ryan: his biggest fan.
42:31
Jon: fan.
42:32
Can you sign the book for me?
42:37
Oh,
42:38
Kearns: It's pretty quality stuff.
42:39
It's pretty quality stuff.
42:42
And then, yeah, and he's supposed to add a little bit of dread too.
42:45
I think A little bit of like outside sort of influence, something to worry about.
42:51
That's not necessarily the monster.
42:52
He's, he serves a few functions, I suppose.
42:56
The fact that they don't, so the movie that Super Troian has tons
42:59
of cliches, has deputy so and so.
43:01
I feel like that's intentional.
43:04
Ryan: Yes, a hundred percent.
43:06
Kearns: useless.
43:06
We don't even name him.
43:07
He's the, he's the cop guys.
43:10
Jon: I mean, in the first one, he pretty useless.
43:15
He
43:16
Kearns: does he do to help them?
43:18
Jon: I mean, eventually he warns him.
43:21
Ryan: Eventually, yeah,
43:22
Jon: here, but,
43:24
Kearns: I mean, yeah, but that's just
43:25
Ryan: it's like too late.
43:27
Kearns: happening to you guys.
43:28
You should leave.
43:29
Jon: I'll, I'll, also say the, the other thing that that always gets
43:32
me, pulls me out of the mood of this movie is how much evidence Ellison
43:37
has that the police don't have.
43:40
And instead of, instead of turning it over, he's gonna use
43:44
it for his book and to make the
43:46
Kearns: Well,
43:46
Jon: bad.
43:48
Kearns: yeah, that's like his whole
43:49
Ryan: Yes,
43:50
Kearns: is what, that's something a person like him would do though.
43:54
Ryan: yes.
43:54
Kearns: there's nothing that's made that more evident than
43:56
the times in which we live.
43:57
Like the people who are self profiteering over being humane
44:00
in any way, are, uh, way more
44:03
Ryan: Okay.
44:04
Kearns: I thought they were when I was a much younger, more naive man.
44:07
They just have more means now.
44:10
Ryan: Yes, it's true.
44:12
Kearns: get to the end of the movie, we see the culmination of his investigation.
44:17
His wife should have left him.
44:19
Does she actually.
44:21
Ryan: Yep.
44:21
Kearns: She does finally
44:22
Ryan: No,
44:23
Kearns: No.
44:24
Ryan: no, no, no, no.
44:25
She,
44:26
he finally, he, he goes along with her and he is like, we gotta get out.
44:30
She's like, thank God.
44:31
Yeah, I'll do textbooks.
44:33
Kearns: him.
44:34
Ryan: She should have left.
44:34
Kearns: mistake.
44:35
And then they um, how did they end up in the attic?
44:38
Ryan: Well, they, they don't, they, um, end up back in their old house.
44:43
They move back in and, uh, Ellison has a nice cup of tea and, uh, there's
44:49
green residue in it, and he gets knocked out by a possessed Ashley.
44:54
Kearns: up again, Ashley's his kid and then knock it up again.
45:00
That
45:00
Ryan: Thank you.
45:01
Sorry.
45:01
Kearns: out for the promo.
45:04
Jon: Just like, loop that sneeze.
45:08
Kearns: We need to get tryptophan or what?
45:10
No, trytophan is the stuff that's in Turkey, right?
45:13
We need to get him some like Te Tamiflu.
45:15
Tamiflu.
45:16
look at him.
45:17
Oh, this isn't good.
45:19
This isn't
45:19
Ryan: No, it's okay.
45:20
Kearns: this up.
45:21
All right.
45:21
So the movie and before Ryan dies, how does Ethan Hawk
45:24
Ryan: I'm on, I'm on, I'm on, I'm on DayQuil.
45:27
If you guys are sick.
45:28
Used DayQuil or the CVS brand?
45:30
Kearns: 31 at night.
45:31
Please stop taking DayQuil.
45:32
It's just caffeine.
45:33
It's just caffeine.
45:35
Jon: you,
45:36
Ryan: Damn it.
45:36
Jon: a day cooler NyQuil sponsorship, so you don't have to call them out.
45:41
Kearns: Yeah, it's fine.
45:43
Ryan: Uh, well, it's, it's a CVS brand, so maybe CVS Walgreens Rite Aid,
45:47
Kearns: we
45:48
Ryan: not even Rite Aid.
45:49
Rite Aid's Go on.
45:49
Kearns: kids, what we like to do is
45:53
we like to our NyQuil, heat it up in the microwave,
46:00
Ryan: I like it all warm
46:02
Kearns: the
46:03
Ryan: by the road.
46:04
The road.
46:07
I'm, why am I picturing, oh, the guy,
46:10
Kearns: Cemetery,
46:10
Ryan: oh,
46:11
Kearns: road.
46:11
Ryan: that's what I'm saying.
46:12
Fred.
46:12
Fred, uh,
46:13
Kearns: NyQuil, you see him.
46:15
Ryan: damn road.
46:16
That damn road.
46:17
I, I'm down to see him.
46:18
Fred Gwen, come on now.
46:19
Kearns: So anyway, back to the movie.
46:21
So they're at his house, he gets knocked out yet it's true.
46:24
He is dead.
46:25
So they get knocked out.
46:27
Ryan: Yes.
46:27
Not Tim Curry.
46:28
Jon: Nope.
46:29
Kearns: you.
46:29
Tim Curry's alive and well, even to
46:32
Ryan: Cardinal
46:32
KU
46:32
Kearns: be is just terrible.
46:34
So they're in the house, they've been drugged by their
46:38
child and they wake up in the,
46:42
Ryan: living room with a roaring fire,
46:44
Kearns: living room.
46:44
Why
46:45
Ryan: no
46:45
Kearns: tell
46:45
Ryan: living room.
46:46
And,
46:47
Kearns: Tell me.
46:48
Ryan: and she comes outta nowhere with an ax and she goes, chopping, making Alice
46:53
famous again, which is a great line.
46:55
Kearns: well, you got there too quick.
46:56
Didn't sinister teach you anything?
46:58
You gotta bill
46:59
Ryan: Oh,
47:00
Kearns: he's, he wakes up.
47:02
But is is it just his children with the acts in there?
47:04
Does he see Mr. Boogaloo electric?
47:06
Boogaloo?
47:08
Ryan: No, Mr. Boogie, but Tracy and Trevor
47:10
Kearns: are there.
47:11
You, you get to connect the dots that they've been led to
47:14
do this by their demon friend,
47:18
Ryan: Yep.
47:18
Kearns: Mr.
47:18
Book.
47:20
Ryan: And then they, Mr. Booka Boo.
47:24
Um,
47:24
Kearns: they kill the
47:25
Ryan: why am I thinking of
47:26
Kearns: how it ends.
47:27
The acts coming down and then you're in the theater.
47:29
Like I, I thought it was a
47:31
Ryan: Oh, oh, oh.
47:32
Oh.
47:32
Don't, don't, don't forget.
47:34
No, she fingers paints.
47:36
She finger paints on the wall
47:38
Kearns: Afterward with
47:39
Ryan: blood.
47:40
Kearns: You're
47:40
Ryan: Yep.
47:41
And she puts the boogoo symbol on the middle of the
47:45
Kearns: You
47:46
Ryan: why.
47:46
Kearns: a, you can't start any statement with She Fingers after we
47:49
said the movie's over and they're dead.
47:51
Ryan says she Fingers the paint.
47:54
Yeah, fingers paint.
47:58
Ryan: She,
47:58
Kearns: to get away with this because he's delirious right now.
48:01
Jon: to get away with it
48:02
Ryan: she, she, she paints with her finger.
48:05
Kearns: the,
48:05
Ryan: She paints with her Finger
48:07
Kearns: oh my God.
48:09
This is, I have to be able to click the Okay.
48:12
For audiences under 18 button.
48:14
Ryan: house.
48:15
House painting 12.
48:18
That's the title.
48:19
Kearns: watch it.
48:19
Jon: Mm-hmm.
48:21
Ryan: It is.
48:22
It's a great film.
48:23
I'm very,
48:24
Kearns: watching that franchise.
48:26
Ryan: yes.
48:27
Jon: the second one is the blatant ghost kids influence.
48:31
They show the ghost
48:33
whole way.
48:36
It's not
48:36
like a,
48:37
Kearns: Not cool.
48:38
Jon: It's not.
48:39
It's
48:39
just
48:40
Kearns: Yeah,
48:41
Jon: your
48:43
Ryan: You saw that too.
48:44
Okay.
48:44
Kearns: is a little lint or a little cat hair.
48:47
Ryan: I was like, he's like ghost children.
48:48
Do you have ghost children in your house?
48:50
Are you watching the super eight films?
48:52
John, don't.
48:52
Kearns: angry right now.
48:53
Oh no.
48:53
I forgot to turn on my backlight.
48:56
Ryan: Oh, hold on.
48:58
Kearns: old backlight.
49:01
That's how we're broadcasting All right, so Ashley, fingers
49:04
paint, and then roll credits.
49:06
Sinister is a success.
49:08
Ethan Hawks.
49:10
know it's tricky to play a role like that where you're so unlikeable,
49:13
but that makes the movie better because then your next movie, are
49:17
Ryan: He's,
49:17
Kearns: jerk again?
49:18
Are you a good guy?
49:20
is kind
49:20
Ryan: he's got a lot of range.
49:22
Jon: I think he's typecast in horror because when you
49:24
think about some of the other
49:26
Ryan: Yes.
49:27
Jon: in, like training day.
49:29
He's the noob.
49:30
He
49:31
Ryan: Mm-hmm.
49:32
Jon: sunset, before sunrise, before whatever the other
49:35
one is before he's just the,
49:38
Ryan: Yep.
49:38
Jon: interest guy.
49:39
He is like it, he's really mostly just the dick and horror movies.
49:45
Ryan: Yeah, he is.
49:46
Or the antagonist.
49:47
Kearns: a traditional leading man.
49:49
He's never gonna be one of the Avengers.
49:51
He couldn't be a Hawkeye, he couldn't be an action star, but he can pull
49:55
off the action scenes in training day.
49:57
So like, he's an
49:58
Ryan: Yeah.
49:59
Kearns: He's a great actor.
50:00
He is always been a great actor.
50:01
He is.
50:01
Got a hell of a pedigree.
50:02
Wasn't he a dead poet?
50:03
Society.
50:04
Society,
50:05
Ryan: Yes.
50:06
Kearns: goes back.
50:07
Ryan: Yeah.
50:07
Kearns: and so he, knocks him outta the park and Blumhouse
50:10
knows what they got and mean.
50:11
They're holding and I'm the, I'm
50:13
Ryan: Yeah, they do.
50:14
Kearns: was great.
50:15
Ryan: Black phone was good.
50:16
Um, sequel, I mean, we'll eventually cover it, but I mean, from,
50:23
Kearns: I
50:23
Ryan: it's 50 50.
50:24
'cause people,
50:25
I mean,
50:26
Kearns: right now.
50:26
Well, first we have to watch it.
50:28
Ryan: people love it, but I feel like it's repeating.
50:32
It's a repeat.
50:33
Like we said, you're copying something that's already been done
50:37
and giving it a new spin.
50:38
Kearns: add the list up today?
50:39
Jon: was done 40 years ago and people, a
50:43
Ryan: Yep.
50:43
Jon: are not going back and the old ones, so
50:48
just
50:50
Ryan: Which is disappointing.
50:51
Jon: It's, I mean, it's hard because when you, have a generation that is TikTok and
50:56
reels to then go back to something from the eighties that builds a little slower,
51:01
is paced a little differently, it's hard.
51:06
Ryan: Yeah, it's true.
51:08
It's true.
51:08
You gotta be, it's like black and white film.
51:11
You have to watch it as a young age and go through that whole generation and
51:18
that whole linear style of like film.
51:21
I mean, I, I was introduced to black and white and color simultaneously,
51:26
so it's like I'm used to it.
51:28
I think black and white's better in some cases,
51:31
Kearns: Depends.
51:32
Jon: I had seen the Godfather multiple times by the time I was 10.
51:38
Kearns: Wow.
51:39
Well, you're, you're
51:40
Ryan: That's cool.
51:41
Kearns: people,
51:41
Jon: Well, I mean,
51:42
Kearns: You
51:43
have a capacity for film.
51:44
Jon: also worked in the film industry, so there was a lot of
51:49
Ryan: Yeah.
51:49
Jon: like, here's the movies I love.
51:51
So you get to watch 'em over and over and over and over again.
51:55
Kearns: That's cool.
51:56
Ryan: Did you ever, this is like fun trivia question.
51:59
Kearns: What's that?
52:01
Ryan: I was gonna ask if he's ever seen part one and part two when
52:05
they blended it together in 1975.
52:08
You never seen that one?
52:09
Jon: I, I prefer them as
52:11
Ryan: No.
52:13
It's so good.
52:14
It's interesting 'cause you get the beginning of part two and then part
52:18
one and then the final of part two.
52:20
Jon: because the, the material they're, using is amazing, but I
52:25
Ryan: Yes.
52:26
Jon: movies more.
52:29
Kearns: Yeah,
52:30
Ryan: fair on that.
52:31
It's like a six hour, like tro six hour film actually.
52:34
Jon: can't sit six hours through anything.
52:38
Kearns: The Irishman was probably the longest thing I've watched start to
52:40
finish, and it was like on the holiday break, I think it was like Christmas
52:44
Ryan: Yep.
52:44
Kearns: and I remember, I remember watching it all.
52:47
I paused it a couple times to get food and I was like, this is hard.
52:51
was really good too.
52:52
It was like, ugh.
52:53
Jon: Mm-hmm.
52:55
Kearns: Then that
52:56
Ryan: Just too long.
52:57
Kearns: was like, guess what?
52:57
You haven't moved and now we have blood clots.
52:59
You better get outta here.
53:01
All right guys, so that's sin.
53:04
do one last review
53:04
Jon: who hated it?
53:07
Kearns: for somebody
53:07
Ryan: Yeah, sure.
53:08
Let's do.
53:09
Kearns: these idiots more.
53:10
Jon: have hate left
53:11
guys, you know
53:12
Kearns: Nice.
53:12
And then we'll do our two top fives.
53:14
Let's get to it.
53:16
Let.
53:17
Jon: watched this show during a sleepover.
53:21
recommend watching if you're interested in jump scares.
53:24
Since the movie is mainly focused on Triller storytelling, this movie
53:30
was as close to a bedtime story.
53:34
It was more effective at making me sleep than my history teacher's lessons.
53:42
Kearns: You might need to get back to paying attention in class there, scooter.
53:46
Ryan: Yeah,
53:46
Jon: and say, this is the exact generation we were just talking about.
53:50
That,
53:51
Ryan: I agree.
53:52
Jon: spans.
53:53
You need action, little bit of development action, bit action.
54:00
And that's, you know,
54:02
Ryan: This,
54:03
Jon: where we are.
54:05
Ryan: I disagree.
54:06
Kearns: no, it's the, that's why I call them tiktoks 'cause they can't keep their
54:10
attention on anything that doesn't have
54:12
Ryan: These talkers.
54:13
Kearns: to it.
54:14
we were forced to like sit and endure moments of quiet and
54:18
inactivity and things like that.
54:20
And we
54:21
Ryan: Yep.
54:21
Kearns: void with things like our imaginations.
54:23
And I'm not saying this to make Gen Z feel bad, obviously we're not nearly
54:26
as good at that as our counterparts.
54:29
It's just that the boomers are so evil and they're destroying the world that we don't
54:32
talk about that superpower of theirs.
54:34
But, and if there's any listening, um, I don't feel bad about saying that.
54:38
Fix your friends.
54:39
Fix your friends.
54:40
It's a problem.
54:41
Ryan: It's true.
54:42
Kearns: so,
54:43
Jon: I mean, it, it is what it is.
54:44
Every generation is a product of the generation.
54:47
Before it.
54:48
If
54:48
you you don't like how this generation of kids is acting, look
54:52
in the mirror, you raise them.
54:55
Kearns: Or didn't.
54:56
I think that's part of it.
54:57
They're tablet kids.
54:58
Yeah.
54:59
My kids get way too much screen time, but we, we still, like, they're still running
55:02
around the house breaking stuff all day.
55:05
Jon: But
55:06
Ryan: I feel like US millennials have that.
55:10
Kearns: Yeah.
55:10
That's what I
55:11
Ryan: Yeah.
55:11
Kearns: me crazy and it would be easier to just let them be on Minecraft all
55:14
day, but it's like, you can't do that.
55:16
Ryan: No.
55:16
Kearns: watch, I try to get them to watch the Goonies and granted
55:19
four and six at the time, just didn't have, they didn't have the
55:24
bandwidth for that type of film yet.
55:26
And I was like, okay.
55:29
Ryan: You gotta, you gotta show him Batman, 1989.
55:32
Just put it right in there.
55:33
Kearns: might actually scare Charlie too much.
55:36
My, my
55:37
Ryan: All right.
55:38
Try not to scare him.
55:40
Kearns: I, how about Edward Scissor hands?
55:42
give him
55:43
Ryan: No, that freaked me.
55:44
No, that freaked me out as a kid.
55:45
Kearns: it way too young.
55:46
Like childs play.
55:47
Watch that as like a five-year-old.
55:49
Jon: you guys watched Edward Scissorhands too young.
55:52
I was
55:53
Kearns: Yeah.
55:53
You were like perfect.
55:55
Ryan: Yeah,
55:55
Kearns: I was gonna say that's a date
55:57
Ryan: It
55:58
it's a great movie.
55:59
It's just when Winona Ry, I mean that, yeah, that, that, yeah.
56:03
That got me
56:04
Kearns: When he spices her.
56:06
We're gonna say spices.
56:08
Ryan: he slice, slice and dice
56:10
Kearns: All right,
56:11
Ryan: spicy.
56:12
Kearns: Sinisters.
56:12
Good movie.
56:13
You one star people are dumb.
56:14
I'd say four is solid if you're doing outta the
56:17
Ryan: Four star
56:18
Kearns: 8.5.
56:19
If you want to be super nice.
56:20
I don't know if it gets there because of how
56:22
Ryan: 0.5.
56:23
Kearns: but
56:23
Jon: Yeah, it's, it's
56:24
a
56:25
Kearns: anything from seven to eight.
56:26
Yeah,
56:28
so
56:28
Ryan: I'll give a four.
56:31
Kearns: I
56:32
Ryan: I'll give a four.
56:33
Kearns: coming out at the time, I think is what really kind
56:35
of propelled it even further.
56:36
It was a nice breath of fresh air.
56:39
Ryan: Yes.
56:40
Kearns: and we enjoy surprises in this business, my friend.
56:44
Ryan: Yes, we do.
56:45
Kearns: is very sick.
56:45
He is gonna
56:46
Ryan: Well,
56:46
Kearns: very quickly tonight.
56:47
Everybody
56:48
Ryan: I am, but uh, John might have some statements because this is a part two.
56:53
This is one was enough.
56:55
Part two?
56:56
Yes.
56:57
This is part two in their weekly series of one was enough.
57:01
And I'm gonna start it and I'm gonna get John all giddy and stuff.
57:05
I'm gonna start with the descent.
57:07
Number five.
57:08
One was enough and I, you know, 'cause John watched the descent.
57:12
He watched the descent too.
57:13
And I've seen these two movies when they first aired, um, back in 2005 and
57:19
I think the second one aired 2007, 2008,
57:22
Kearns: something like that.
57:24
Ryan: 2009.
57:25
Okay.
57:26
So the first film, you know, real quick plot file six women who enter an uncharted
57:32
keve system and struggled to survive against the monstrous creatures inside.
57:36
you just need a one film, how it ends, spoiler, she makes that alive.
57:42
She's really not a good person, but through all the torture she goes through,
57:47
Jon: She's, she's a tormented person.
57:49
I don't blame her for any of the stuff that happens with
57:51
Juno, because by the time she,
57:54
Ryan: you know, okay.
57:55
Jon: Juno, Juno has already slept with her husband and,
58:02
Kearns: That is a no no.
58:04
Jon: to the ending of her friend.
58:10
Ryan: Yeah.
58:11
Okay.
58:11
Kearns: Yeah,
58:12
Ryan: That's, I, I accept it.
58:14
I accept it.
58:14
Jon: survivor.
58:17
Kearns: yeah.
58:18
Well, that's like the whole thing.
58:20
That's what.
58:20
Well, let's not get crazy.
58:22
I want this top five to last less than 10 years.
58:25
So what's your fourth movie, buddy?
58:27
Ryan: Fourth one, it's a little weird, so I prefer the sequel more, but we didn't
58:35
need another one was paranormal activity.
58:37
Kearns: I fair.
58:38
Jon: or
58:38
Ryan: I,
58:40
so this is where I,
58:42
Kearns: Baby's turn too, and I was like, how
58:44
Ryan: yes, it did
58:46
the, the second one?
58:47
Kearns: for this attempt.
58:49
Ryan: No, the second one was peak.
58:52
The first one kind of gets you, and the second one really hits you.
58:54
If the second one was the first film.
58:56
They could have just done it there, called it a day.
58:59
But the first is just you build it up, you get the shocking scene at the end,
59:04
and it works for the sequel, but we don't need anymore after the first one.
59:09
You made your point.
59:10
We thought it was real, which
59:12
Kearns: It's.
59:12
Ryan: goes to my number three.
59:14
I, my, my ex forced me to watch it.
59:17
And her parents were away and we were in, like, their house was huge.
59:23
They're, they were rich, their house was huge.
59:25
And she was like, we're gonna watch this film.
59:27
And I was like, all right.
59:28
And she's like, all right, I'm going to bed.
59:30
I'm like, all right, I'll be up a little bit.
59:31
She's like, no, you're, you're coming to the room.
59:34
I'm not, we're not playing this game.
59:35
I'm like, you're really afraid of this movie.
59:40
It's obviously, it's obviously fake.
59:42
Kearns: want you in there?
59:42
'cause now you're just gonna stand up and stare at her while she sleeps,
59:46
is
59:46
Ryan: That's ex. That's exactly what I did.
59:49
And she, I got kicked out of the room
59:52
Kearns: That's terrifying.
59:53
Ryan: sure, making sure I don't escape, which, well, number three
59:58
is gonna be a shocker for you guys.
1:00:00
It's a shocker for me, but one was enough is Puppet Master.
1:00:05
Kearns: Nice.
1:00:06
Ryan: I, listen, I love Puppet Master.
1:00:08
Kearns: because they, it did get
1:00:10
Jon: I can definitely get behind this.
1:00:12
This concept, I just can't believe whose mouth that's coming out of.
1:00:16
Kearns: It's true.
1:00:17
Ryan
1:00:17
Ryan: yeah, but I, I, I do love the franchise, but if we're going from
1:00:22
a film perspective, one was enough.
1:00:25
The third one, I do love the third one, but if you watch each
1:00:28
movie, everything gets changed.
1:00:31
They change LAN's story.
1:00:33
He
1:00:33
was alive, Tulon was alive before World War ii, then he died during World
1:00:39
War ii, but he was alive after war.
1:00:40
It's, it's all over the place.
1:00:42
And it's like.
1:00:43
Kearns: Together.
1:00:45
Ryan: Yeah.
1:00:46
It's just I, the first one was enough and it also connects with
1:00:49
the next one, children of the corn,
1:00:51
Kearns: Oh, that one
1:00:52
Ryan: number two.
1:00:55
And you wanna talk about Jen?
1:00:56
The,
1:00:57
the, the remake Malachi,
1:01:01
those who've walked behind the,
1:01:03
Kearns: so dumb.
1:01:05
Ryan: the
1:01:05
Kearns: of a bunch of freaking farm kids, not even just farm
1:01:08
kids, but like a bunch of kids with Reapers is terrifying and that.
1:01:12
Ryan: Yes.
1:01:12
Kearns: Like the youth we were just talking about not understanding or like
1:01:16
our differences with other generations.
1:01:18
That's been a fear forever.
1:01:21
Hey,
1:01:21
Ryan: they tried to remake it.
1:01:23
They tried remaking it for this generation and it didn't work.
1:01:26
Kearns: movie
1:01:27
Ryan: And they,
1:01:28
Kearns: I don't think again.
1:01:29
Ryan: I was excited for it.
1:01:30
I thought, okay, this, they're trying it.
1:01:32
They made, uh, Malachi into a female antagonist, um, more possessed.
1:01:38
I was like, okay, we're doing a little different here.
1:01:40
Cool.
1:01:41
And it just dropped.
1:01:43
Very much like this one.
1:01:45
My number one, my number one movie.
1:01:50
We didn't eat another one.
1:01:52
No, we're not, we're not touching Jaws.
1:01:55
No, I'm not, I'm not feeling froggy for this one.
1:01:58
That'll be part three, but it's final destination.
1:02:02
I like the second one.
1:02:05
I liked the second one,
1:02:07
think.
1:02:08
Well, I didn't like the first one either.
1:02:09
I, I avoided planes for a while after that and
1:02:13
alleyways,
1:02:14
Kearns: even
1:02:15
Ryan: know, but,
1:02:15
Kearns: and um, urban legend and stuff, that was a tired movie model of just
1:02:20
continuously pumping out different crap.
1:02:23
But anyway, that could have been,
1:02:25
Ryan: well,
1:02:25
Kearns: and done.
1:02:26
Jon: Yeah.
1:02:27
Ryan: it was pretty good.
1:02:28
It was, ridden by Jeffrey Reddick originally was supposed to be an
1:02:31
X-Files episode, but it got pushed off.
1:02:35
And ironically, a coworker I did work with, Before I joined you guys, he
1:02:41
was a screenwriter and, he knew I, Jeffrey Reddick, who actually wrote the
1:02:46
screenplay part of the screenplay, and they were both in, um, they were trying
1:02:52
to get, who did the, I'm trying to get the name of the studio, new Line Cinema.
1:02:57
They had two scripts with New line cinema.
1:03:00
One was Final Destination known as another title, and it was,
1:03:04
uh, my coworkers, uh, it was like an ambulance drama action script
1:03:09
and final destination.
1:03:12
Basically got the pool by this much because they were
1:03:16
against final destination.
1:03:17
They were like, this is a stupid concept.
1:03:19
We'll go with the ambulance one.
1:03:21
And then one person walked in and said, final Destination's the way to go.
1:03:24
So it's a little cool story, um, from an old coworker, but again, I
1:03:32
death takes the lives of everyone.
1:03:34
We have a scene in the sequel that locks are flying everywhere.
1:03:39
Makes me not wanna drive on the, you know, on any highway in the
1:03:43
morning, night or afternoon.
1:03:44
But again, one was enough.
1:03:48
I'm so happy.
1:03:49
John is not a, like, angry at my list this week.
1:03:52
Jon: I don't have a lot to argue with there.
1:03:54
I could do without most of the final destination movies, if not all of them.
1:03:58
Ryan: I, the first, one is unique for what it is.
1:04:02
The second one is basically a remake of the first one.
1:04:07
Jon: I
1:04:08
Ryan: Just more money?
1:04:09
Jon: think the allure of the final destination movies is simply the,
1:04:12
the ways they get rid of characters.
1:04:17
Ryan: Yes.
1:04:18
Yes.
1:04:18
No tanning beds for me
1:04:21
Jon: All right.
1:04:22
Ryan: or rollercoasters, but What's your list, buddy?
1:04:25
Jon: you got one of my lists already as the blind rank.
1:04:29
'cause I, I wanted to do novelists authors in, in horror movies,
1:04:34
but I wanted it to be a little,
1:04:36
Ryan: Okay.
1:04:37
Jon: movies than that head.
1:04:38
So instead I went with demons.
1:04:42
Ryan: Alright.
1:04:43
Kearns: I like this.
1:04:44
Jon: So,
1:04:45
Kearns: Also.
1:04:46
Ryan: Knight.
1:04:46
Kearns: for Ryan's sake.
1:04:47
Jon: number five, John Carpenter's Prince of Darkness.
1:04:53
Kearns: It's an often overlooked carpenter property right there.
1:04:58
Ryan: Yes it is.
1:04:59
And Donald
1:05:01
isn't it?
1:05:01
It's so good.
1:05:02
Jon: Alice Cooper cameo.
1:05:04
Kearns: Yeah.
1:05:06
Jon: so it, I mean the, the description sort of sounds
1:05:09
like the beginning of a joke.
1:05:10
A priest and some physics students investigate a mysterious green liquid
1:05:15
in the basement of an abandoned church.
1:05:18
The liquid contains the essence of Satan, and even worse, Satan
1:05:22
wants to release his father, the
1:05:25
Kearns: It's
1:05:25
Ryan: I forgot he was called the anti-God.
1:05:28
Kearns: I guess, I guess they got tired of saying Satan,
1:05:31
is
1:05:32
Ryan: Who was it?
1:05:32
Junk
1:05:32
Kearns: means anti-God
1:05:34
or the
1:05:35
Ryan: was Junk Carpenter and Deborah.
1:05:40
She wrote Deborah Hill, wrote it.
1:05:41
Yep.
1:05:41
I was gonna say
1:05:42
Kearns: no more of the Satan.
1:05:43
Number four.
1:05:45
Ryan: anti-God.
1:05:46
Jon: that's coming up on our calendar.
1:05:50
Baskin.
1:05:53
Kearns: Oh, cool.
1:05:53
I was curious about that.
1:05:55
Jon: So.
1:05:56
Kearns: looked at the list today.
1:05:58
Jon: Turkish police officers responding to a strange call,
1:06:02
stumble upon a door to hell and
1:06:04
a
1:06:05
Kearns: I did see Baskin.
1:06:06
Jon: abandoned building.
1:06:08
It's this one of the creepier, more unsettling movies
1:06:11
I've seen in a long time.
1:06:13
one little bit.
1:06:17
Ryan: Wait, we're gonna be able to talk about basking, but not bring her back.
1:06:20
Come on now.
1:06:21
Kearns: well, well body horror.
1:06:23
Compare the two body horror wise.
1:06:25
Which one is worse?
1:06:28
Ryan: Um, a knife
1:06:29
in the mouth.
1:06:31
Kearns: it.
1:06:31
Bring her back's Way worse than Baskin.
1:06:33
Jon: is way, way worse.
1:06:36
Kearns: Bring her back.
1:06:37
You're
1:06:37
Ryan: Am.
1:06:37
Kearns: dick.
1:06:38
I don't like body horror.
1:06:40
I don't like body horror.
1:06:41
I, not that I'm squeamish either, but this one was such a rough watch.
1:06:46
Ryan: I knew that, I knew the tabletop scene would get you.
1:06:49
That's why I didn't tell you.
1:06:50
I warned you about the knife scene.
1:06:52
At least
1:06:52
Kearns: as I was watching it and I, I was
1:06:55
Ryan: I warned you about the knife scene.
1:06:57
Kearns: you Ryan was laughing his ass off.
1:07:00
Ryan: That's why I wrote back to you quickly.
1:07:02
Jon: scene, but not the one that was really gonna mess him up
1:07:06
Kearns: There was like four.
1:07:08
Ryan: the knife scene was the worst for me.
1:07:10
Sorry.
1:07:10
Not, not the, it was the piss scene, wasn't it?
1:07:15
Kearns: there's like five,
1:07:16
Jon: the
1:07:16
Kearns: there's like five of,
1:07:17
Jon: in bring her back.
1:07:18
That got me way more than the body stuff.
1:07:22
Ryan: Yes.
1:07:22
Kearns: that
1:07:23
Ryan: Yeah.
1:07:23
Kearns: like that part, like that part if they had done that instead, but I think at
1:07:28
Ryan: You can't,
1:07:28
Kearns: this movie, they could have done this without being so over the
1:07:31
top with this, this, this, and this.
1:07:33
And it would've been a good movie too.
1:07:35
Anyway, moving on.
1:07:36
Jon: Number
1:07:37
Kearns: think that's like, was a, um, what's the studio?
1:07:41
Ryan: 8 24.
1:07:42
Kearns: is, I'm done with them for a while, for that.
1:07:46
All right, John.
1:07:46
Sorry.
1:07:47
Number three.
1:07:47
Jon: three.
1:07:48
Uh, we go to a movie with the Queen Lan Quigley.
1:07:53
It's Night of the Demons.
1:07:56
Kearns: Love it.
1:07:57
Ryan: Yes, of course.
1:07:58
Jon: partying on partying on Halloween night in abandoned funeral
1:08:01
home, unintentionally summoned demon that possesses Angela before
1:08:07
setting upon the rest of the teens.
1:08:10
And it one of the more notable things the night of the demons the black guy lives.
1:08:16
Kearns: Yeah,
1:08:17
Ryan: He runs.
1:08:18
Kearns: well, he
1:08:19
Ryan: He runs,
1:08:20
Kearns: He makes it through the whole movie and he gets
1:08:22
over the wall, doesn't he?
1:08:24
Part
1:08:25
Ryan: he leaves her behind.
1:08:26
Kearns: that the one?
1:08:27
So that's the one I always get confused with.
1:08:29
Um, fright Night.
1:08:31
When I was a kid, I always thought they were the same movie.
1:08:33
Like I thought Fright Night was Night of the Demons.
1:08:34
Night of the Demons has end with the Apple.
1:08:39
Ryan: Yes.
1:08:39
Kearns: Yeah.
1:08:40
Ryan: Uh, yes.
1:08:41
Kearns: That's a cool ending
1:08:43
Ryan: I think about that one.
1:08:44
Kearns: old man.
1:08:45
Ryan: You just put Jerry Dandrich in my mind, eating an apple.
1:08:49
That movie's gotta come up though.
1:08:51
Neither of the demons on on our list.
1:08:53
Eventually, we've mentioned it too many times.
1:08:55
Kearns: for me in many ways,
1:08:58
Ryan: Wow.
1:08:58
Kearns: ways.
1:09:00
Ryan: Told you I got yelled at by my father for touching that video
1:09:04
Kearns: What else do you
1:09:05
Ryan: for,
1:09:06
Kearns: bed, Ryan?
1:09:07
Jon: not the only thing about that movie.
1:09:08
I want to touch.
1:09:11
Kearns: It's funny, your audio cut off just at that exact time.
1:09:14
It's probably YouTube mods ahead of time.
1:09:17
It says,
1:09:17
Ryan: they were like, we know where this is going.
1:09:20
Kearns: All right, let's get to number two.
1:09:21
Jon: two,
1:09:23
no no description required.
1:09:26
It's The Exorcist
1:09:29
Kearns: Yeah, it's beautiful.
1:09:31
Jon: it
1:09:31
Kearns: Name that demon, which that demon's name
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Jon: zuzu
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Kearns: was Mr.
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Ryan: Pazuzu
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Kearns: Pazuzu.
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Ryan: Mr. Boogie.
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Kearns: Okay.
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Jon: doesn't
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sound
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Kearns: I mean, the Exorcist is so good.
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Jon: mean, the only reason The Exorcist,
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Ryan: That is,
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Jon: isn't, number one is, um, everybody knows The Exorcist.
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You don't need me to hype The Exorcist.
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know what it is, you know, it's one of the best, not just one of the best
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horror movies ever made, but probably one of the best movies ever made.
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It does
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Ryan: Yes.
1:10:07
Kearns: Yeah.
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Jon: doesn't need attention, but my number one should get more attention, and my
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number one is Late Night with the Devil.
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Kearns: Yeah.
1:10:16
Ryan: Yes.
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Preach.
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That's a, I've seen that movie multiple times.
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It's so good.
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Jon: Delroy host of a nightly talk show called Night Owls attempts to
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revive his sagging ratings with a scary show, including a possessed girl.
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Things
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Ryan: It's so good.
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Jon: David,
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Kearns: We'll around this later.
1:10:39
Jon: right.
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I, but I tried to listen to it all day and I, I don't think I have it.
1:10:43
David Des Malian is
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Kearns: That's
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Jon: as
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Ryan: Yeah, that's perfect.
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Yes, he is.
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That's another actor who's very underrated, who's done small
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like roles like to be real.
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Kearns: guys.
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FAI has also got a weird face.
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Ryan: Yeah, he does.
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I mean, yeah, he does.
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But I mean, he's, he's really, he really came out with, uh, his roles
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in Antman, the two Ant Mans and his little appearance in the dark
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night, his like TV show appearances.
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I'm happy he finally got a good role, if
1:11:21
Kearns: Yeah.
1:11:21
Ryan: makes sense.
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Some he can show his, his acting techniques and stuff,
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and he does a phenomenal job.
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I mean, I've, like I said, I've seen this movie a few times.
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I've also seen it.
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When I was sick last year, I was up at four o'clock in the morning watching it.
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'cause I was just like, I so good.
1:11:41
Jon: There's a beautiful steel book edition to that that I got.
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Um,
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Kearns: I
1:11:47
Ryan: That is beautiful.
1:11:48
Kearns: We need to get Brian to bed.
1:11:49
Everybody
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Jon: one Other steel book you should, guys should go look for on Amazon.
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It's an Amazon exclusive, is the Stir Echoes s Steel
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book with a lenticular cover.
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It's so,
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Ryan: that's cool.
1:12:02
Jon: and
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Kearns: talk dirty to me.
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Use big words like lenticular.
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Well, stir of Echo is a great movie, un underrated movie.
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'cause of the time period.
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It came out like sort of the stars that are in it.
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It doesn't feel like a horror movie,
1:12:16
Jon: it
1:12:16
Kearns: but it is.
1:12:17
Jon: year as sixth Sense too, so it lost some of
1:12:21
Ryan: Yep.
1:12:22
Jon: But
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Kearns: arguably on par
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Ryan: Yes.
1:12:27
Kearns: the twisty twist.
1:12:28
Jon: par.
1:12:30
Ryan: What a twist.
1:12:30
Kearns: Nice John.
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Well that means that it's right.
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That's the correct take then, because John's opinion is law on Xenomania.
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Jon: on par with Sixth Sense.
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Kearns: But if you'd like to argue with John, join our page.
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Yeah, no Stir of Echo is a fantastic movie.
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Um, and probably gonna be on
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Ryan: Yes.
1:12:47
Kearns: point in 2026, but I digress guys.
1:12:50
Ryan: Yes.
1:12:50
Kearns: for you tonight.
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So Ryan can live.
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We're gonna go, but thank you.
1:12:54
Ryan: Have a good one.
1:12:55
Kearns: There's no sinister too.
1:12:58
Ryan: No.
1:12:59
No.
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Kearns: We don't leave until you say it, John.
1:13:03
Jon: ya.
1:13:03
Kearns: no, I don't think so.
1:13:05
Jon: See ya.
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See ya.