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A Mother Confronts A Broken Court Machine In Kentucky | Ep. 364 · Voices for Voices®

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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Hi everyone, it's Justin here, Voices for Voices.
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• 1:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh what we have been uh sharing uh up until now and including now and will be for uh at least a few to a few more episodes after this one, is uh there was a uh uh a case or is a case down in Letcher County in Kentucky where a uh sheriff, Sheriff Mickey Steins, uh came into uh Judge Mullen's chambers and uh discharged his firearm, uh killing, murdering him in in cold blood.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And what we're finding out is a lot, uh you know, regardless of whose side anybody is on.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're just looking to share the voices of individuals that either are personally involved or know of the conduct that that had been happening uh from a uh which our guest mentioned off camera right before we started, from that uh yeah, that mom uh approach where uh she was uh seeing things and and hearing things.
• 2:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so that's how uh we have uh come into contact uh with Brandy Taylor.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Brandy, thank you so much for joining us.
• 3:08
  Brandy: Thank you for having me.
• 3:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Absolutely.
• 3:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh maybe we can start, I guess, from the the beginning when you started noticing things, hearing things, and then we can kind of work up to kind of present day if that works for you.
• 3:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Okay, all right.
• 3:29
  Brandy: Um, there was always rumors around town, you know, uh or in our little county of, you know, things that went on at the courthouse and you know, things that wasn't legit, you know, but I wasn't involved in the legal system, um, you know, hadn't really been around it much.
• 3:48
  Brandy: So, you know, it's kind of one of them things you hear, but you just you just don't know a whole lot about it.
• 3:54
  Brandy: And um in 2006, I started going through a a really rough divorce.
• 4:01
  Brandy: Um, had, you know, a lot of things happen in our family life, and my son um started getting in a little bit of trouble.
• 4:09
  Brandy: He was a you know, straight A student, banned, band geek, you know, just a good all-around kid.
• 4:16
  Brandy: Um, he got caught smoking marijuana.
• 4:19
  Brandy: And so he got kind of we was put in a situation they entered him into at that time.
• 4:28
  Brandy: They had a juvenile drug court program.
• 4:30
  Brandy: Um at that time, Kevin, I think, was the Commonwealth attorney.
• 4:36
  Brandy: Um, so he was an attorney, and then Mickey was the bailiff um for the court for uh uh Judge Jim Woods.
• 4:46
  Brandy: Um so my son, I I, you know, that day when you know they wanted to enroll him and everything, um I started looking through the rules and stuff, and it was taking a lot of his rights away, you know, and he was just 14 at the time.
• 5:03
  Brandy: And and, you know, as a parent, I I kind of was questioning things, you know, like this is a little serious for, you know, marijuana.
• 5:12
  Brandy: But I was told that if I didn't sign the paperwork, that they would get me for parental neglect and would take my other two kits.
• 5:22
  Brandy: So it was like, give us this one or we're gonna take all your kids, you know.
• 5:27
  Brandy: And so that's when our descent kind of started into the court system.
• 5:34
  Brandy: Um from 14 to 17, um he was passed around from rehab to rehab.
• 5:42
  Brandy: Um they um he he was never home.
• 5:46
  Brandy: Uh, he missed birthdays, holidays.
• 5:49
  Brandy: Um they had to um when he was 15, um kind of an example of why I was concerned.
• 5:57
  Brandy: When he was 15, they contacted me and wanted to um place him.
• 6:03
  Brandy: Uh he had got a sanction and was in uh a detention center, Breathett County Detention Center where they, you know, would send the juveniles.
• 6:11
  Brandy: And they contacted me to let me know they were going to let him take his GED at 15.
• 6:17
  Brandy: And, you know, I was begging them.
• 6:19
  Brandy: I said, you know, right now with his father not in the picture, you know, this is the only control I have over him in school, you know, getting him going, you know, and doing stuff.
• 6:29
  Brandy: And they made it plain that I didn't, he he belonged to the state is the way I was told.
• 6:36
  Brandy: So, you know, they let, which I thought was just ridiculous, a 15-year-old take a GED, you know, to because I think they were getting a lot of problems with um truancy, because a lot of these kids that was enrolled in this drug court program, you know, they were missing a lot of school because of all these sanctions, you know, and and um it was kind of a program that they they just could not they couldn't win.
• 7:07
  Brandy: There was no way, you know, um there wasn't they couldn't step up, you know, they stayed in that bottom level.
• 7:14
  Brandy: And um, you know, they had drug testing counseling court, you know, every week.
• 7:19
  Brandy: It was every day of the week they had something that they had to participate in.
• 7:24
  Brandy: And, you know, if they missed it or was late or failed a drug test or anything, you know, then here come the sanctions.
• 7:31
  Brandy: Um, but we noticed that a lot of the the rehab programs was, I mean, crazy.
• 7:39
  Brandy: He went to one in um Baydyville um when he was um 16, about 16.
• 7:46
  Brandy: And um they loaded them all up and took them all to a dentist and was gonna have all their wisdom teeth tucked out.
• 7:55
  Brandy: So I complained and I was like, you know, if he needs that done, then he's gonna go to our family dentist.
• 8:02
  Brandy: You know, I'll I'll take him and you know, and um there was just a you know, a lot of little things here and there.
• 8:11
  Brandy: So when he was 17 and a half, he he was just tired of it at this point.
• 8:15
  Brandy: And he was in front of the judge and he he asked him, he said, you know, what can I do to just be done, you know.
• 8:24
  Brandy: And they told him he could have served 45 days.
• 8:27
  Brandy: So, you know, two and a half years later, you know, he could have served 45 days in in the detention center and that would have been it, instead of having his whole teenage years, you know, wiped away.
• 8:45
  Brandy: Um, but the group of kids that went through uh this program with him, they were kind of the first the first batch of kids that went through.
• 8:54
  Brandy: And um I had noticed all the kids had uh uh patterns, like uh all of the families were going through traumatic things.
• 9:05
  Brandy: They were going through things that were, you know, which you know does cause problems with teenagers, but they took these vulnerable group of kids, placed them all together, and then, you know, ran them through these programs for profit, you know, to try to, you know, that they were making money off of it, you know.
• 9:29
  Brandy: And uh, you know, a lot of the families, you know, we we didn't have money.
• 9:34
  Brandy: We we, you know, couldn't afford a lot of the things.
• 9:37
  Brandy: And if my parents hadn't have helped, I don't know what I would have done because, you know, you would have to travel twice a week to go see them wherever they had them in the state, you know, and and things like that.
• 9:49
  Brandy: So when he finally stepped out, we thought he was free and clear of everything and and was going to get started.
• 9:55
  Brandy: And he had been home, I think, two weeks.
• 9:59
  Brandy: And he went to a friend's birthday party and ended up um Jim Stevens, um, had uh he's a cop in Jenkins that I think a lot of people in the counties had a lot of problems with.
• 10:16
  Brandy: Um he had came through and uh took my son to jail that night.
• 10:21
  Brandy: So um I have to I and I will say this, Mike Watts, he's a he's a great guy.
• 10:28
  Brandy: He's he's a really good guy.
• 10:29
  Brandy: He came in that night, helped me with the situation because my son wasn't even old enough to even be in jail.
• 10:35
  Brandy: So, you know, he came and helped me that night get everything straightened out.
• 10:39
  Brandy: But, you know, that was our start into the adult program.
• 10:46
  Brandy: So from 14 to the age of 30, my son spent either detention centers, rehabs, jail, you know, adult rehabs.
• 10:59
  Brandy: So, and a lot of his friends that were in the program with him from the beginning were also being done.
• 11:08
  Brandy: People, you know, like Ty, uh Lexi Bentley, um, you know, a lot of people now that are victims, you know, in in some very horrible ways.
• 11:20
  Brandy: Um, but they kind of put these kids, I feel like they they they were handpicked.
• 11:27
  Brandy: This is my belief, is that they were almost handpicked.
• 11:32
  Brandy: And they knew these were kids that they could, you know, a lot of the kids didn't have parents that really cared, you know, or gave much of a fuss back or anything.
• 11:48
  Brandy: And I think they totally took advantage of these children and our families and you know, the the whole situation with it.
• 11:58
  Brandy: And so, you know, now you see at them as adults, um, you know, when when they started growing up and and getting older, like I said, um, they found ways to put them into the adult system, you know, adult drug court and and then, you know, the rehabs and arc and you know, things like that came into play.
• 12:22
  Brandy: But, you know, um the kids would always come to me.
• 12:28
  Brandy: Um I always wanted to be kind of like a safe place for them.
• 12:32
  Brandy: Um so, you know, that's kind of how I ended up being kind of like a witness for everybody, you know, they would show up at the house, they knew they could come, get something to eat, wash their clothes, get a good night's sleep, um, a ride to court, a ride to here, you know, a ride to there.
• 12:53
  Brandy: I'd done everything I could to try to help them as much as I could because it they were in a system that there was just no way out.
• 13:01
  Brandy: You know, um, a lot of the females, you know, suffered the sexual abuse um from people at the courthouse.
• 13:10
  Brandy: Um, you know, males did too.
• 13:12
  Brandy: It wasn't just the females.
• 13:14
  Brandy: Um, a lot of them was treated horribly at the jail.
• 13:20
  Brandy: I mean, just inhumane conditions all the way around.
• 13:24
  Brandy: Um, you know, I we would complain and, you know, try to get stuff done, and it was just you would hit a roadblock everywhere you turned.
• 13:34
  Brandy: And, you know, the girls it it broke my heart for them because, you know, a lot of them at this time, you know, they were young, they were mothers.
• 13:44
  Brandy: They must some of them, you know, mothers, they were t still teens.
• 13:48
  Brandy: And, you know, I was a teenage mother, but you know, I I had help.
• 13:54
  Brandy: I had family, I had, you know, and a lot of these, you know, they were tak you know, they would get CPS involved.
• 14:01
  Brandy: Um, you know, they were taking their kids, they were, you know, it was just a never-ending cycle to keep them somehow tied to that courthouse, whether, you know, it was drug charges, traffic charges, um like I said, with their kids, uh, you know, the situation with Ty is crazy, you know.
• 14:26
  Brandy: I mean, her life was there's not words for it, you know, the things that she had to go through, um losing her kids.
• 14:37
  Brandy: And um, she always done what they asked her to do um with the programs and things, but we found out it was never good enough, you know, they they it was never enough to get them out of there um and everything.
• 14:53
  Brandy: Um and they had so much potential.
• 14:56
  Brandy: These are kids that wasn't, you know, um problems, problem, you know, that yeah, they had, you know, like I said, my son, you know, with it was marijuana, but um, you know, these were intelligent kids.
• 15:10
  Brandy: They um were smart, resourceful.
• 15:13
  Brandy: Um, and you know, the county started degrading their names and and lowering their value at as teenagers, you know.
• 15:23
  Brandy: So, you know, as a young adults, you know, they couldn't get jobs.
• 15:29
  Brandy: They couldn't, you know, they were pretty much isolated and become their own little network, their own little community, uh subculture, you I guess you could say, um, amongst themselves, that they all kind of supported each other, took care of each other, and me and other people in the community would try to help as much as we could, you know, to try to make things a little easier or try to help them as much as we could, because the injustice that they were going through was just insane, you know, things that they were having to deal with.
• 16:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, and it seems like, yeah, there's like no no checking balances, nobody really to come in and audit what's happening, these atrocious, horrible conditions, these sentences, uh you said round up everybody, and we're gonna go get your wisdom teeth taken out.
• 16:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, these are just incredible to hear that's happening, you know, in the United States of America.
• 16:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Obviously, we know things are are quite divisive and have been, and uh I guess will will continue to be, but it's one of those things that's like I I can't believe that they would do something like that and somebody wouldn't come in and at least ask start asking some questions.
• 16:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's been like way too way too overdue for that.
• 17:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh and you know, bless your your parents, your family, yourself for what you what you did and what you are doing and helping others like like that.
• 17:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That is just godly work to like you said, you're like come over, you know, what wash your clothes, well get you a warm meal, and and and things that we take advantage of, but and and here you are, you're doing it for people you don't even you don't even know them, really.
• 17:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You you you know a little bit about them, uh but you're like hey, come under my wing for as much as I can help you to do.
• 17:44
  Brandy: So that's uh that's just they became like my kids, you know.
• 17:50
  Brandy: They they just kind of incorporated into our family, and you know, still to this day, if one of them called, I'd be like, okay, let me see what I can figure out, you know, to try to help.
• 18:03
  Brandy: And um, you know, it it it was a safe little community outside of our community.
• 18:10
  Brandy: You know, it was they they all bonded.
• 18:13
  Brandy: Um, me and Ty was talking one night about how, you know, if it they all fit together.
• 18:21
  Brandy: You know, if one child had a weakness in this area, then another one would, you know, pick up that, you know, you had some that could hustle and you make sure everything was took care of.
• 18:31
  Brandy: And I told Ty, I said, you know, we we was we was poor people, you know, and but we always managed to have food for everybody and you know what everybody needed because we all worked together to to try to make this happen.
• 18:48
  Brandy: And the potential that was stolen from these kids is heartbreaking.
• 18:57
  Brandy: Um the things that they could have possibly done if not snagged into that system is just I think the hardest part for me um, you know, to see now a lot of them still, you know, on per parole.
• 19:15
  Brandy: I mean, you know, for child support, you know, for the rest of their lives or just, you know, things that um, you know, that's like my son.
• 19:25
  Brandy: I was talking about he, you know, rehabs and drug courts and everything.
• 19:29
  Brandy: And if you go back and look at his charges, he doesn't have drug charges.
• 19:36
  Brandy: You know, it was like he his was traffic violations or no insurance, no tags, no, you know, just something that's like a pull him over and then go to jail, you know.
• 19:49
  Brandy: And then it was like, well, what can we find, you know, to charge him with to keep him here?
• 19:56
  Brandy: And they done a lot of them that way.
• 19:59
  Brandy: Um, you know, and and it's still, it's still going on.
• 20:03
  Brandy: And and, you know, that's sad.
• 20:05
  Brandy: Um that I feel like the wrongdoings, you know, they were getting their jollies and, you know, having a good time at at the expense of our children in our community, our families, you know.
• 20:23
  Brandy: Um it was nothing, you know, we were threatened with CPS regular, you know, you go along, you shut up, quit making a scene, quit making a fuss about things, and or we'll we'll harass you, you know, we'll give you a little trouble.
• 20:42
  Brandy: I've had my two younger children pulled out when they were in grade school asking them if I allowed them to drink.
• 20:49
  Brandy: Just the most moronic, you know, things.
• 20:54
  Brandy: And, you know, the kids would come home and be like, you know, that was so embarrassing, Mom.
• 20:59
  Brandy: You know, they took us out of our class and, you know, and things like that.
• 21:03
  Brandy: And I just felt like, you know, they took so much of of our lives away.
• 21:09
  Brandy: You know, we missed so many things with each other as a family, you know, because I felt like, you know, they had a financial mission that or or you know, the their mo they're they had ulterior motives, you know, with w with what was going on in their minds compared to, you know, what was really going on.
• 21:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah.
• 21:37
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: How how has uh has all this affected you emotionally and like your mental health?
• 21:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It seems like it would it would take it take a toll on and uh and then secondly, how how how are you able to power through that and like you said, you like were you able to help others?
• 22:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like uh I know some people would just get caught up in every little uh event, and we all do.
• 22:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, but I'm just I'm just wondering like how all that affected your mental health and then how you powered through to kind of inspire others that may be in a similar situation or know somebody and maybe some I don't that you have to have like tips and tricks, but you know, how did you get to the point where you're like, you know what?
• 22:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm gonna be able to do what I can and you know, as as one person, as a family.
• 22:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um could you share maybe just a little bit of that side here?
• 22:45
  Brandy: Well, I mean, it it was a hard, it was a struggle.
• 22:48
  Brandy: Um, I know we um, like I said, we had our own little community and they all pulled together and we all kind of took care of each other.
• 22:58
  Brandy: And you know, there were there were moments I would I would think, you know, and my son would come to me and he'd say, Mom, you're making it worse on me.
• 23:05
  Brandy: You're making it harder on me.
• 23:07
  Brandy: And, you know, it was I think our little town, there was such there's so many secrets.
• 23:15
  Brandy: There were so many things that we were told not to speak of, not to talk about, not, you know, and if you did speak up, you were degraded, you know, like you were ignorant, you you know, you don't know, you don't know this, you don't know that.
• 23:34
  Brandy: Um, you know, and you know, I had the fortune that I got to go to college.
• 23:39
  Brandy: I got, you know, I got out and went to college and you know, I didn't get to finish my degree, but you know, I do have enough education to know they were violating their rights left and right, you know, they were they were causing a lot of issues.
• 23:54
  Brandy: But the, you know, they would make you second guess yourself, you know, like, you know, or they would put the threat in with your children and it would be like, mom, stop, you know.
• 24:04
  Brandy: And so I after they bec you know, my children became adults, and you know, you know, it it was still continuing.
• 24:14
  Brandy: So, you know, I finally just said, you know, the best thing I can do is to maybe stay quiet and be an advocate and stay home and help them.
• 24:26
  Brandy: That, you know, that was, I guess I felt like that was my only outlet that I could do at that time.
• 24:34
  Brandy: I can, you know, I wasn't a lawyer, I wasn't anybody that could provide any kind of assistance that way.
• 24:42
  Brandy: But I like I said, I could put a, you know, a night or two, roof over their head, you know, food, clothes, whatever they needed, you know, they would come to the house and work it out.
• 24:55
  Brandy: You know, the girls sometime they would come in and you would see them swapping clothes, and you know, it was like everybody just come together as a community and took care of each other.
• 25:05
  Brandy: And, you know, I think that's where I think my what I do come in because nobody was hearing my voice.
• 25:16
  Brandy: Nobody was listening to what I had to say or what I thought they was doing to the kids.
• 25:23
  Brandy: And so that was my outlet was to make sure they were at least safe or they were took care of or, you know, and you know, the harassment, it was worth it.
• 25:35
  Brandy: It was worth it just to make sure those kids, you know, it broke my heart because they never got to be kids.
• 25:42
  Brandy: They never got to have those normal teenage years of proms and dating and um just a normal teenage life, they never got to have that.
• 25:53
  Brandy: So it's really something that, you know, I kind of grieved for my child, but then as soon as I, you know, I started meeting these other kids and and hearing their stories and what was going on with them, you know, it's heartbreaking the things that was taken from them, you know, I feel like.
• 26:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I can uh I can uh assure you that your voice is going to be heard and seen by so many people uh on our show and and beyond and shared.
• 26:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh and I'm so glad to have you with us for the short time that we we do to uh learn about you, uh the awful things that you witnessed and is still to this day uh as you know that that that mother figure that you're finding, even with all the negatives, you're still finding your voice and that is by you know helping in whatever way you can, whether that's a roof over their head, whether that's a meal or two.
• 27:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um and and I think it's so admirable and it's so inspiring to to me because so often uh I take for granted things, and I think a lot of us do, uh, just a roof over the head or a meal and without having to go through what these kids where their innocence was literally just taken away from them, and they weren't able to experience what children should have in growing up and the uh you know kids are gonna be kids, uh they're they're gonna do things that are right and wrong.
• 27:51
  Brandy: Um, but when you mentioned they criminalized them though, that that was the part, they just criminalized them from the teenage years.
• 27:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So from day one, yeah.
• 28:00
  Brandy: From day one.
• 28:01
  Brandy: So, you know, when they did get old enough to start getting jobs and and getting out in the community, by that time their their names were destroyed.
• 28:09
  Brandy: Uh you know, nobody would hire them, or you know, so they they couldn't get jobs, they couldn't get on their feet, they couldn't, you know, and so it just you know kind of slid right back into, you know, the problems that was going on with drugs and everything else.
• 28:26
  Brandy: So it, you know, it was like a never-ending cycle that you just could not they couldn't break, you know.
• 28:33
  Brandy: They um I don't even think like a lot of the girls even knew that they were being so abused because they would um, you know, come to the house and and you know, say things like, you know, if you ever get in trouble, you know, I I got a friend, you know, at the courthouse that, you know, can do, you know, they'll help you out.
• 28:54
  Brandy: And, you know, but once they start telling you, you know, how that friend come about and you, you know, you start breaking down telling them no, that that's that's wrong.
• 29:04
  Brandy: Yeah, you know, they shouldn't be doing that to you all.
• 29:07
  Brandy: And uh so yeah, like I said, it's just a lot of stolen potential, a lot of lives that were just never given that opportunity to shine, you know.
• 29:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah.
• 29:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I think it's uh I again I I I I think it's incredible that you're uh you're speaking out and and sharing because it's such an important time that uh we're finding as an organization and you know the these topics such as what we're we're we're speaking about.
• 29:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There's people that are are gonna you know support the topics and and there's gonna be people that are not.
• 29:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I would rather be on the side of you know being able to look myself in the mirror and say, okay.
• 29:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um as not as filming, but as cliche as that sounds of being able to look at myself in the mirror and say, you know what?
• 30:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There's gonna be people, no matter you know, celebrities, even those popular or how much money people have, there's still people that aren't gonna like them.
• 30:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So I can't expect that everybody's gonna like what we're doing.
• 30:23
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But the fact that these children had from day one, I mean we talked to Tya, and she said, you know, from age 16 uh on, basically, that she went in for one thing and came out having had to do something, you know, completely uh say unlawful.
• 30:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um like like you mentioned, where uh you know, girls would say, oh well, you know, I if you know I know somebody and then they share like, oh, well, here's what you do, then you're you're hearing it, seeing it like, well, wait a minute, that that's right.
• 31:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's not that's not right.
• 31:05
  Brandy: And uh and it sounds like I didn't I didn't have those kind of interactions, you know.
• 31:10
  Brandy: I I knew Mickey, I knew Kevin, um, you know, I but they both, you know, I I never had those kind of problems.
• 31:19
  Brandy: But once they started telling me these things, it was like, oh, you know, oh no.
• 31:24
  Brandy: You know, where do we go?
• 31:26
  Brandy: What do we do?
• 31:27
  Brandy: Who do we tell?
• 31:29
  Brandy: You know, because it seemed like you would get to where you thought maybe this person might help.
• 31:36
  Brandy: And then boom, it, you know, it's gone.
• 31:39
  Brandy: Or it you you hit a brick wall and there's just, you know, nowhere to turn.
• 31:45
  Brandy: So I think that's why we went intern kind of internal with everything and said, all right, we got to survive, we got to get through this, and the only way we're gonna do it is staying together and working together.
• 31:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You bet.
• 31:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, Brandy, we're getting close to uh end of our time together today.
• 32:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I wanted to say thank you so much for speaking up, speaking out.
• 32:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh there's gonna be a lot of people watching, listening to to the this episode, as well as the other uh the the other women that and and others that are sharing.
• 32:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um we had uh Ned Pillersdorf attorney uh on uh a while back and and he was sharing uh some of this the information.
• 32:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But uh before we go, I I I want to give you an opportunity to share how people can.
• 32:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't know if there's a uh way people can learn about what you're doing or if you can recommend uh I don't know, a place to go, uh somebody to talk to.
• 32:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Obviously, send people our way.
• 32:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We'll definitely have uh we definitely have time to have them on our show.
• 33:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh we're having uh uh Bethany on uh uh later uh today uh and and and a couple couple others.
• 33:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And and I that's why I said like that's what we're here for.
• 33:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're here to share our voices and uh and you're sharing not only your voice, but you're sharing the voices, even if even though you didn't name names, it doesn't matter.
• 33:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh you're you're sharing the voice of people who had been in different situations, and and so those individuals, their voice is being heard through you.
• 33:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh so yeah, I guess any any parting thoughts of how people can learn and uh or I don't say tips, but uh whatever.
• 33:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: What what you got for personal your you know your brand?
• 33:54
  Brandy: Um honestly, I just you know, I think everybody's story is important, no matter you know, how little or how big or and there's a safety in numbers like there's a safety and in you know coming out and speaking and coming forward.
• 34:15
  Brandy: And you know, even if we never see any kind of justice for anything that we went through, if it cleans things up to where my grandchildren and you know their their children don't have to go through the things that you know we all went through.
• 34:36
  Brandy: Um that would just be my main thing, I guess, is just you know, speak up.
• 34:42
  Brandy: Speak up and we'll be here to support support anybody and then you know, support and help.
• 34:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, so thank you for you know all you've done and all you continue to do.
• 34:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I know it's not it's not easy uh to uh I remember you know our first shows and even now that it we get you know backlash and negative feedback, and there's gonna be people like that.
• 35:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But uh again, looking at yourself in the mirror, looking at myself in the mirror, the positiveness and you know, even if we just reach one person that can learn more about you know the power they have as an individual, uh, or services or uh individuals that that can can help or organizations and feeling like you know what, like I've always wanted to, I don't know, play a musical instrument or do do something, whatever, whatever that is to that individual, um as much as we're able to just give that inspiration, that's that's the that's the big thing.
• 35:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And uh and and so we you know we hope and we pray that this this ends uh in uh you're you're part of the the country and part of the United States and all across the world, if uh you know this activity is is going on because it is uh it's inhumane and uh we it's vile.
• 36:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's vile.
• 36:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's vile.
• 36:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um so thank you very much, Brandy, for joining us.
• 36:22
  Brandy: Thank you for having me.
• 36:23
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Oh, you're welcome.
• 36:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Absolutely.
• 36:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh so when uh when we get ready to drop this, I'll I'll tag you on on the uh on on all the links and and all that, and feel free obviously to share uh far and wide.
• 36:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And uh that that that's what we'll we'll obviously be be doing as well, besides uh putting putting the the shows out on uh all the audio platforms and have it on our rumble channel and our our YouTube channel.
• 36:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh so thank you so much uh for being with us, taking time out of your day, you're taking care of your parents, you're doing you're doing God's work.
• 37:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh so thank you.
• 37:07
  Brandy: I think that's what I'm I was put on this search for, I think.
• 37:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I think so.
• 37:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I yeah absolutely.
• 37:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And our viewers, our listeners, thank you for watching and listening.
• 37:17
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• 37:29
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• 37:30
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• 37:33
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• 37:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Again, over 360 episodes.
• 37:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm sure not only uh the show with with Brandy and Tya uh and and and others that are are sharing such powerful information that is really helping us change the world for for the better.
• 37:58
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• 38:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So until next time, uh we hope that you and I we celebrate all the voices that we have, no matter what those are, how small, how big they are.
• 38:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And uh again, this is Justin with Voices for Voices.
• 38:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And please be a voice for you or somebody in need.
• 38:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We'll see you next time.
• 38:31
  unknown: Thank you.