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Should You Start Hybrid Instead of Pure DPC? with Dr. Cindy Ojevwe · DPC Life: Direct Primary Care Podcast

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  Really hungry. Hungry to serve, hungry to get
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  out of debt, hungry to be on my own.
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  We were seeing like sometimes up to 35 patients a day, like 20
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  minute visits. I was hearing all the voices
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  like are you crazy? Like private practice, they all
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  go out of business. Are you working with someone?
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  Are you joining like a a whole group?
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  Because that would be better. Like you're hearing all the
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  naysay. I knew I was burnt out.
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  I knew I couldn't stay with my employed position and I knew
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  what I wanted. Welcome to DPC Life, the podcast
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  where independent doctors share real stories, bold ideas, and
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  the freedom of doing medicine on your own terms.
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  I'm your host, Doctor Anne Gonzalez, and together we'll
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  explore the wins, the struggles and everything in between.
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  Let's dive in. Before we get started, I just
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  wanted to give you an update about the DPC Women Connect
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  event. We had 11 physicians who are
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  either newly opened or planning their DPC practices, and it was
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  really exciting because I watched physicians go from
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  quietly thinking about change to actually talking through the
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  next steps together. Community matters much more than
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  we realize when we are considering something this big.
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  I'm planning another DPC Women Connect gathering later this
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  spring, and I'll mention it here once the dates are set.
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  Well, thank you to my guest today, Doctor Cindy Ojewe.
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  She is a family medicine doctor in Mechanicsburg, PA, and she
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  owns Doctor Cindy Care. And I love, love, love, love
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  that name. Yes.
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  So she's family medicine, started just July 2025 with her
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  direct primary care practice. Welcome to the podcast.
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  Thank you, Doctor Gonzalez. Thanks for having me.
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  It's such an honor, such a pleasure.
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  My honor. Well, let's let's get into it.
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  How did you find direct primary care?
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  What brought you to? It so as you said, I am family
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  practice. I graduated from residency in
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  2021 here in Pennsylvania with Penn State.
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  I always knew that I wanted my own private practice.
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  It was not feasible at the time. Of course, you're always told
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  when you graduate residency to never go directly.
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  It's a private practice. So I was an employed physician,
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  really hungry, hungry to serve, hungry to get out of debt,
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  hungry to be on my own. So I was with a major hospital
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  system in the area. I started with them.
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  They gave me a really nice sign on bonus.
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  So I was commuting actually because we were based about an
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  hour and a half away at the time I was married.
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  So I ended up commuting for that first year.
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  Ended up unfortunately going through a divorce, maybe I
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  should say fortunately, but it was just a really, really hard
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  time. So I started out in outpatient
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  primary care, really got burnt out.
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  We were seeing like sometimes up to 35 patients a day, like 20
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  minute visits at that particular institution.
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  The nurses could add on walk in's.
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  It was, it was just really, really, really bad.
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  So I wanted at the time to stay with the same employed
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  healthcare system. So my family practice, we're
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  trained, we can do outpatient, we can do inpatient.
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  I switched to a hospitalist role just to get that kind of one
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  week on, one week off balance to see my kids more because I was
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  not seeing them. I would get home, but you're
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  still charting, you're waking up early, you're leaving late,
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  you're dealing with that dreaded in basket.
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  Oh my God, I think I've traumatized from that.
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  But I switched to inpatient and I did that for an additional 2
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  years. And again, I was commuting an
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  hour and a half. So on my weeks on my regular
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  shift would be like from 7:00 to 7:00.
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  And of course you don't always leave at 7:00, but if a patient
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  is crashing you, you kind of have to have to be there before
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  you you sign out to someone. So I would be waking up around
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  4:30 leaving the house, driving down because I wanted to be as
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  much as possible to be home with my kids.
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  I and for me that was a personal choice because I was a non
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  traditional grad. I had my son in Med school after
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  my second year and I had my daughter right before I started
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  residency. I had her like mid June and then
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  by July 1st I was starting family practice because I was
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  determined I didn't want to take any time off.
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  Thankfully my mom was around so she really helped me with the
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  babies, but I was at the point where I wanted more time with my
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  family and I was willing to do whatever it took to get that
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  time. Essentially the last two years
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  just commuting. I thought the one week on one
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  week off schedule would really help with that work life
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  balance. It did not cuz on the weeks that
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  you're working, it was terrible like I described.
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  And then even on the weeks that I was off, I would actually need
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  at least a day or two to recover.
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  So you're in your, your own zone.
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  I can't move. I just need some time guys.
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  Like you're not even emotionally available.
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  So I found that system was still not working for me.
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  And I forgot to add that even while I was working on as a
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  hospitalist, I was also moonlighting in their urgent
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  care. So on the week, I know on the
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  weeks off I would pick up additional shifts.
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  It was lucrative, it certainly was.
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  But of course, for that family work life balance, definitely
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  not. And so that all contributed to
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  my decision to open my own private practice.
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  I felt like it was time. So around May let me backtrack.
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  So during my hospitalist days, especially during that last year
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  on those long commutes, I discovered that podcast, Entre
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  MD podcast with Doctor Una, who's this champion for
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  physician entrepreneurs doing their thing.
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  So I would listen to her going back and forth and that really
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  gave me the courage to make that bold step of saying like, OK, I
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  think it's time. Cindy, you're burnt out, you're
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  tired, you need to make a change.
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  So in July of this year, so I joined the Business School,
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  which is not really a Business School in the sense like you get
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  an MBA when you graduate, but it was more of a community of like
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  minded physicians who were all doing the same thing.
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  Some are at different levels and stages, and they were able to
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  give advice and kind of walk you through the whole transition.
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  So I joined that group in May of this year, 2025.
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  That was helpful. I knew that if I was gonna do
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  this, I did not want to be alone.
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  I was hearing all the voices like are you crazy?
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  Like private practice, they all go out of business.
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  Are you working with someone? Are you joining like a whole
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  group? Cuz that would be better.
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  Like you're hearing all the naysayers.
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  So I knew I needed that support system so got in with them.
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  And then because of the employed position that I had, I could not
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  like advertise before I started until I had that clean break.
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  I know that we are told that with DPC especially, you at
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  least need a side gig in those early years, but I didn't have
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  that. I knew I was burnt out, I knew I
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  couldn't stay with my employed position and I knew what I
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  wanted so I made the clean break.
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  Thankfully, because of those crazy hours I was pulling, I did
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  have some savings to help with that.
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  I did also. Things just kind of fell into
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  place for me too. I can't deny the divine hand in
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  my life, but I was looking for a place to rent for the practice,
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  like just a room and going around places in the area.
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  I was actually with a realtor who helped me buy my home.
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  He was in the commercial. But you know, I really like the
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  relationship and we were going around one of the places we
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  visited. I didn't like the place, it was
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  horrible. But the realtor who was showing
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  us the place and talking and chit chatting and what
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  personalities connected, he's like, I have this place for you.
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  I really think I think you will like it.
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  It's another doc who's selling his building is not even on the
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  market yet. And the way he described it, I
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  was like, I need to see this place.
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  Yeah, yeah, take me to it. Fortunately, I have a family
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  member, a cousin of mine who's also a physician.
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  He has his own private practice in New York.
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  And I remember when I was discussing with him about
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  renting a place, one of the things he told me was, you're
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  making this step. Why don't you buy?
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  Because you're in a good position to buy.
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  And God forbid the practice doesn't do well, at least you
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  have a piece of property that you can either rent or it's a
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  form of income. So it made sense.
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  So I called him up. I was like, yeah, Can you
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  believe what happened? This guy said he has this place,
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  I'm going to go check it out. We ended up going and lo and
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  behold, it's small, it's cozy. He had like 8 makes yam rooms
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  and process went smoothly. I ended up buying my first
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  building so I closed on that. I know I closed on that.
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  Thank you congratulations. I closed on that in May and I
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  bought it from another integrative doc who's doing his
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  own thing. He also used to work for one of
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  the major hospital systems and he was friendly mentoring so we
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  have that connection as well. So unfortunately the the
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  building I bought fortunately, I should say fortunately, I keep
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  saying unfortunately, but these are actually good things because
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  I like to look at the good and everything.
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  When I bought it, he had recently leased it to a tenant.
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  It was like a Med spa. And it turns out that the lease
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  they didn't want to move. So that left me now like with
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  OK, so I bought a building with a tenant, which is a good thing
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  because the income from that is paying the mortgage, but I need
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  a spot for myself. So he was selling that old
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  building because he had moved on to bigger and better things.
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  So he had bought this brand new building and he was like, hey,
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  I'm willing to give you like a few rooms, which was originally
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  what I intended to do. So don't worry, the whole story
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  will come. I'll get to where I'm going.
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  It's OK, This is it's, it's a great story.
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  I've been doing it. So he ended up leasing me two
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  rooms in his new building. So it's this multi $1,000,000
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  facility that he has now and it's in there and I have.
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  So he starts. He's also a referral source as
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  well for because with his overflow patients like patients
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  can't take. So it's worked out really nicely
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  in that sense. But then what I found was that I
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  had bigger dreams than what typically.
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  I guess what I'm trying to say is I expected the practice to
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  grow quicker and I attended the DPC Summit earlier this year as
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  well. And then talking to a lot of
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  people, they were like, you need at least two years to really get
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  to where you need to be. And I live that because I'm
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  growing, which is good, but I'm not growing as fast as I would
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  like because you do the math, the math has the math.
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  But it was, it was, I think that was my biggest shocker was that,
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  OK, I'm open guys, where's everyone?
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  Where are the patients? So at that point, I am thankful
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  that I didn't move into this big building that I had this big
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  mortgage to pay, right? So thankfully the tenant that
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  all worked out on that end, right?
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  I'm in a spot with a doc who's awesome, he's a great mentor,
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  he's sharing all his resources. So it's working out on that end
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  as well. I come March when the lease
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  ends, I'll be moving into my building.
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  So I am so grateful that things worked out the way that they
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  did. It wasn't the way that I
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  planned, but certainly it did work out.
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  I am at the point too, like being in this Business School
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  and you're learning all these new things.
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  And I am transitioning to like a hybrid practice because one of
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  the things that I keep hearing from a lot of patients is like,
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  yeah, DPC sounds great, the membership model, not having to
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  deal with insurance. But unfortunately, Doctor Cindy,
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  a lot of us still have insurance.
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  And if you took insurance, I'd be so great, so happy and
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  grateful if you could be my doctor.
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  So I felt like a lot of patients who actually needed care and
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  wanted that care were actually reaching out, but I couldn't
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  serve them. And I found that what I was
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  doing was in some cases saying, oh, I'll see you for free.
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  You can come on the I know, I know.
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  And we can't do that, right? That's we can't do that.
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  No. So that was one of the reasons
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  why I was like, OK, maybe I should take insurance.
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  At least I get to see those patients and I get to be
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  compensated for what I do if that's the way of being able to
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  pay. Because and patients will tell
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  you I can't pay or like, but I at least want to give them that
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  opportunity. So come January, I will be
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  switching to a hybrid practice. I'll start taking insurance on
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  that arm. Had to make a whole different
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  LLC for that. Also under the same umbrella.
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  For anyone who's thinking about it, my CPA, I actually am
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  working with Nate Goodman that he presented at I yes, he
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  presented at the DPC Summit. So shout out to Nate and his
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  team. They are awesome.
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  But I am working with them and one of the things that they
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  recommended was like keeping the two arms very separate.
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  So I'm working with on my DPC side, like hint, I had to get a
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  whole different EMR on the other side, I know, and different bank
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  accounts and everything. But I think I feel like that is
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  my best way to serve my community.
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  And I know like different practices grow at different
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  rates because online in those groups, sometimes I see posts
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  about people who are like almost at capacity and up like what are
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  you guys doing? But I know it varies on
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  location, personalities and different factors, but for me,
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  that has just been my experience in the Mechanicsburg,
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  Wormleysburg area of Pennsylvania.
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  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it is.
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  It is different for every practice.
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  And I wish there was a way to figure out what was the one
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  thing. But you're right, I don't think
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  there is one thing. And it's very hard to pinpoint
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  what makes some people take off and just fill up so quickly and
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  why others don't. But yeah, so the hybrid
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  practice, before you decided to do that, did you have staff for
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  you by yourself or you have? So before I started, it was just
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  me. I had a marketing company.
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  And again, there's a story behind everything for me of.
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  Course no. There is.
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  There is. The marketing company I chose
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  came through an attending of mine who opened her own.
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  She's an Ed doctor, a past attending a Doctor Who has her
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  own aesthetics practice and she was at the still at the hospital
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  that I was working at. So it's talking with her and
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  seeing like all her social media and everything.
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  I was like, I really like that. So she recommended them, started
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  working with them, but they are, you know, they're, they're
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  pricey. It's it's a huge, it's a huge
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  bill. But again, and that's one of the
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  things I forgot to mention, having left my employed position
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  because they said at the time that I couldn't do my own
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  private practice while working for them.
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  And knowing that everyone is saying when you're doing opening
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  your own practice, you do need a side gig.
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  So I had to end up getting this utilization management position.
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  Again, very fortunate. So for three days a week, I'm
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  working from home remote, making six figures.
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  And I'm like, where was this exactly?
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  How did I not know about this before?
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  What is this job and. Tell I can tell you all careful.
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  I'm just teasing. I'm kidding.
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  That's amazing. I know, but you know, again,
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  things just falling into place and I don't think I would ever
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  have stumbled upon certain things or done certain things if
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  you don't take that first step out in faith.
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  So I'm so, so grateful that I did.
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  And so that's supporting and paying the bills, right.
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  So my own practice, I patients there for it's supposed to be
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  three days a week. So I work the quote UN quote, 9
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  to 5 three days a week. I supposed to work in my
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  practice three days a week, longer hours, of course, to make
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  my math math and have a rest day.
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  But you know how we are. And that's one of my goals for
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  2026 is to really in myself care, protect my me time.
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  But we're we're just trained. If a patient says, oh, doctor
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  Cindy, I need you. OK, I'll see you come on in.
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  But one of the really good lectures or sessions at the DPC
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  practice was on boundaries. And I am working, I am working,
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  I am working guys, I'm working on it.
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  So. Was that Michelle?
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  Cook, I think it might have been.
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  I think it might have been. Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, she does. She's.
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  Yes, yes, it might have been Michelle Cook.
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  Yeah, yeah. What's going on?
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  But it's to build that dream life, right?
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  It's to build that dream life. And I know you talked about like
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  my team when I when it was just me, like I was posting, I was
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  doing things. I knew I needed help.
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  I'm at the point now where for the insurance, when I start the
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  insurance come January, I am going to need like help.
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  I can't get away from it. So I do have a virtual assistant
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  now. I have the marketing team that
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  I'm working with and I recently interviewed a medical assistant
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  in person who'll be helping me. But I also need, I realize I'm
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  going to need some backup just in case.
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  You can't always just have one. So working on that, so and then
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  with that comes so many different things, right?
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  So now you're thinking about payroll and payroll taxes and
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  like having a whole HR department and it's fun, but
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  it's a different kind of busy, if you get what I mean.
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  Yeah, it is. Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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  Right. Well, it's great that you have a
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  community that you can lean on and ask, how do I do this?
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  What do I do now? Yes, that's great.
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  And that's something that I don't think I don't think a lot
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  of DPC doctors do. I don't think they, I mean there
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  are some there are some that work with a business coach, but
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  I think a lot of a lot of DPC physicians are very independent
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  obviously. And I can do this myself.
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  That's kind of the mindset. Like I'm going to read all the
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  books and I'm going to listen to all the podcasts and look at all
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  the Facebook groups and I'm going to do this myself.
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  But I think having a business coach is wonderful, so yeah.
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  So the benefit of that is with any business, I think, not just
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  in medicine, you have good days and you have bad days, right?
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  And there will be times when you're like, Oh my God, I'm
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  putting all into this. My heart and soul, I'm putting
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  into this so much money like it's and I'm not seeing the
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  return yet. So you have those days where
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  you're down and you're kind of doubting and.
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  Help so much with that. You can always reach out or you
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  go into that. We have a Facebook group.
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  We go into that group and you're like, oh, I'm not alone.
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  There have been people who've been right where I am and
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  they've made it through and if they can make it through, I can
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  as well. We had a vision retreat in
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  October as a group and that was so helpful.
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  It was one of my low moments. I was complaining of course, in
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  prayer and to myself that like the patients, they're not
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  growing at the rate that I want them to grow.
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  But just going to that retreat and being around everyone and
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  doing the goal setting for 2026. Starting 2026, we actually
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  started it November, like October, November after that
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  retreat just to get like practice having that vision as
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  to where you're going. That is so helpful.
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  It helps with the mind drama, the mental part of things.
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  It helps making keeping you accountable.
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  It helps with keeping you practical and like, okay, maybe
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  this is an overreach or it's a goal, but maybe I'll get there
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  eventually. But this is what you need to be
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  doing now. I can't downplay the benefits of
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  it. I think from the day I
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  discovered Doctor Una's podcast, like my life just changed for
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  the better in that sense that I can do this.
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  It's not going to happen overnight, don't get me wrong.
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  And I think that was one of the biggest lessons I needed to
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  learn was everyone we're talking about DPC and how great it is,
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  but it takes time. At least in my case, I'm
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  learning that it actually takes time.
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  It's doable. It has all the benefits.
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  They say that great work life balance, you're actually
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  spending more time with your patient.
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  You can get to know your patient and develop those relationships.
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  Just like when you wrote your personal statement about getting
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  into Med school and what you wanted to do, you know, you
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  know, with patients and for patients, like you can actually
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  do that. And I do see that benefit of it,
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  but at the same time, it's not all a bed of roses in terms of
• 22:23
  how quickly you can get that panel up and have that dream
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  life. Right.
• 22:30
  Yeah, right. Yeah.
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  Well, so far, what would you say is the kind of the best thing
• 22:37
  that you've done to help grow your practice?
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  The best thing I've done to help grow my practice, I think so a
• 22:46
  lot of my patients, there are so many, but a lot of my patients
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  come from what I'm seeing right now is social media.
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  So I do a lot of the ads, the Facebook ads, the Instagram ads,
• 22:59
  even with starting the insurance armor things, a lot of the wait
• 23:03
  list patients actually come through the ads.
• 23:06
  You'd be surprised. I know some people say Google
• 23:09
  works a lot for them but. For me it's.
• 23:14
  Yeah, Yeah, that's great. Well, they work really well.
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  That's what I'm seeing and it's growing my page, my social media
• 23:20
  page as well. So I'd say hiring that marketing
• 23:23
  team that really helped. And of course, being in the
• 23:27
  business group that I'm in that EBS, we call it EBS, Antra, MD
• 23:31
  Business School community, I would say that was the thing
• 23:36
  because I started before I actually opened doing it well
• 23:41
  all along. And I can say that it's what's
• 23:44
  keeping me going, yeah. Yeah, this could easily turn
• 23:49
  into Andre, MD. Yes, yes, because.
• 23:55
  I. Was talking about you.
• 23:57
  She always says your goal is to have your name mentioned in
• 24:01
  rooms that you're not even in. And here we are talking about
• 24:05
  she's not now, but yeah, someday it's gonna be you.
• 24:13
  Yes, no, she was she was on the podcast a couple like a couple
• 24:16
  weeks ago and I tell you like you talked for 30 minutes,
• 24:20
  right, But I said I feel so lucky.
• 24:23
  This was like a personal nice session, like how lucky am I
• 24:28
  right she's. Amazing.
• 24:30
  I can't. I can't stop saying good things
• 24:32
  about her. Yeah, I know, right?
• 24:34
  I know. So This is why I'm saying I
• 24:35
  could easily turn it, yes. Fangirl session.
• 24:40
  But yes, yes, the business group, I mean any kind of
• 24:43
  community. And I think one thing that
• 24:47
  particularly helped me and I think a lot of people in, in DPC
• 24:51
  as well is meeting people who are in the same like phase as
• 24:55
  you are. So I did the mastermind through
• 24:58
  the DPC Alliance. And so all the people that were
• 25:01
  in that mastermind, we're all kind of starting around the same
• 25:03
  time. And so you just meet this group
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  and you have these bonds that you can go to these people and
• 25:10
  say, I'm struggling. And just like you're saying with
• 25:13
  the EPS, absolutely. Those groups are absolutely
• 25:16
  necessary. They are absolutely necessary,
• 25:19
  especially when you're just starting.
• 25:21
  Yeah. Yeah, and especially solo
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  doctors, like I have a partner which I'm very lucky being alone
• 25:28
  that's it would be very, very difficult, I think.
• 25:31
  Yeah. So let me ask you, So what do
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  you think? I always talk about the
• 25:36
  positives and negatives. So what do you think is the is
• 25:39
  something that you think, oh gosh, looking back, I wouldn't
• 25:43
  have done that as far as your. Practice.
• 25:47
  I probably would have started a hybrid practice from the start
• 25:51
  because I know you can start a hybrid and then later say you're
• 25:55
  transitioning to just to the membership model.
• 25:59
  I probably would have done that, but but you know, like keep
• 26:03
  saying everything starts out as a negative and then I turn it
• 26:07
  into to some lemonade. It's a lemon, but I turn yes,
• 26:10
  it's all learning. It's all learning experiences.
• 26:13
  Right. You know so.
• 26:15
  Things do end up. I bought my building early.
• 26:19
  Now I'm learning that people don't always do that, but I had
• 26:22
  a plan in mind and things worked out on that end as well.
• 26:26
  I Yeah. So those are those are some of
• 26:30
  the things that looking back, I'd be like, oh, and I think the
• 26:34
  biggest lesson and I had mentioned before was that
• 26:36
  knowledge that things do take time to grow.
• 26:40
  You have to give it time. Your business is a baby, right?
• 26:44
  Just like you. When you have a natural baby,
• 26:47
  you don't expect them to pay all the bills.
• 26:50
  You don't put that on them and that expectation I'm just going
• 26:54
  to take off and I won't need another position or something to
• 26:59
  support me while I'm doing the business.
• 27:01
  Expecting the business to support you and pay all your
• 27:07
  overhead and expenses too early. You can't put that pressure
• 27:10
  because then you put pressure on yourself and then you get into
• 27:13
  this whole mind drama. It's not working.
• 27:16
  What did I do? All of that.
• 27:18
  So from this start, knowing that you're probably gonna need
• 27:22
  another source of income to supplement yourself while the
• 27:25
  practice grows, and give yourself the grace and the time
• 27:30
  to allow your baby to grow. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 27:34
  That's wonderful. Advice.
• 27:36
  A great place to close, yeah. I.
• 27:40
  Like it? I like it.
• 27:40
  It's wonderful. Yeah, So, well, is there
• 27:44
  anything else? I mean, that's a great ending
• 27:46
  statement, but anything else that you want to tell the
• 27:48
  listeners that? Was it Doctor Anna's amazing.
• 27:51
  Thank you for all you do for, for, for do see, for patience,
• 27:57
  for the movement. I I really, really appreciate
• 28:01
  what you bring to us. I appreciate you coming.
• 28:05
  On and sharing your experiences. DPC has brought so much to me
• 28:09
  personally and so yeah, if anyone else, if I can help
• 28:13
  anyone else get out of fee for service, that's that's great.
• 28:16
  I'm glad to do it so well. Tell us again, how can we find
• 28:20
  you online so I. Am, as Doctor Anne mentioned, my
• 28:24
  the name of my practice is Doctor Cindy Care without an S
• 28:28
  Guys, that's my pet peeve because a lot of people put on
• 28:31
  Doctor Cindy Cares, but it's Doctor Cindy care.
• 28:35
  It's the type of care that Doctor Cindy gives and I wanted
• 28:37
  to kind of put that spin on it and that brand of care.
• 28:41
  So we are at www.drdoctorcindycindycare.com.
• 28:49
  That's our website. We can be found on Instagram at
• 28:53
  Doctor Cindy Care as well. We're also on Facebook, Doctor
• 28:58
  Cindy Care, LLC, you can follow our page there.
• 29:02
  And I do have a podcast called The Care Room with Doctor Cindy
• 29:05
  where I bring in physicians in from various specialties just to
• 29:10
  answer the everyday questions that patients bring into the
• 29:14
  office they would love their specialist to answer or their
• 29:18
  primary care doctor. So these doctors, they all come
• 29:21
  on and talk about their zone of genius.
• 29:23
  It's great. But we have a YouTube channel
• 29:26
  that you can look up and it's youtube.com at Doctor Cindy
• 29:30
  Care. So, yeah, yes, wonderful.
• 29:33
  Yes. I've listened to your podcast.
• 29:35
  I've enjoyed it. Yeah, especially the menopause.
• 29:37
  And then there was one recently. Was it integrated?
• 29:39
  Yes, yes. Yes, yeah.
• 29:43
  Thanks, really interesting. So yes, so everyone go listen to
• 29:46
  Doctor Cindy's podcast and subscribe.
• 29:49
  Thank you and subscribe. Right.
• 29:52
  Yes, right with you. Thanks all the share with your.
• 29:56
  Friends well, thank you so much Cindy.
• 30:01
  I really, really appreciate it and I hope that I get to see you
• 30:04
  sometime. Are you going to the?
• 30:05
  DPC summit next year or OK, yes, I didn't.
• 30:10
  Go this year and I have so much. So yes, I'm planning.
• 30:15
  To be there as well. So hopefully we can be there
• 30:17
  there, but thank you and thank you, thank you, thank you for
• 30:20
  the opportunity. Thank you so much.
• 30:23
  Thank you so much. Thank you for listening.
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