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Meet a Medium · Workplace Confessions: Behind Closed Doors

• 0:02
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Workplace Confessions Behind Closed Doors.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm Elsa Barby.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm Don Andrews.
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  SPEAKER_03: We have been friends since sixth grade.
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  SPEAKER_03: Somewhere between a car wash job, a few questionable boy choices, and 40 years of friendship, we became the kind of people who always want to know what was really going on, including at work.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: Don spent 25 years as an employment lawyer digging into workplace drama from the inside out.
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  SPEAKER_01: I built a long career in the beauty industry as a Bracken educator with a few TV cameos sprinkled in for fun.
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  SPEAKER_03: We came up in very different industries, but we have the same passion.
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  SPEAKER_03: Meeting new people and asking how they got their jobs, what they love, what they can't stand, and what happens behind closed doors.
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  SPEAKER_01: Every episode, we talk to a new guest about their lived experience in the world of work.
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  SPEAKER_01: And because our guest stay anonymous, they can spill the truth without the fallout.
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  SPEAKER_03: We get into the choices they made, the tiny cruelties, the surprise kindnesses, and some of the moments that never make it into human resources reports.
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  SPEAKER_01: Equal Parts informative and titillating.
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  SPEAKER_01: This show serves up all the tea while honoring the incredible, complicated, often messy work people are doing across the industries and across the map.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Workplace Confessions Behind Closed Doors.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: Let's get into it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let's just dive right into it.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, the first question we always ask, if you don't already know, what was your first paying job?
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_02: My first paying job outside of the early teen years of babysitting and doing tours around the house, I would say really was an HR internship in college, my junior and senior year, which then led me into a full-time job as an HR assistant right after college.
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  SPEAKER_03: Nice.
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  SPEAKER_03: So tell us about what you're doing now.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then if you don't mind, walk us through how you go from being an HR intern to what you do now.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's a lot of years.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of years.
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  SPEAKER_02: But in summary, I think at that time I always knew I wanted to be an HR executive.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was something that I was going to strive for even when I was in college.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I worked through numerous industries, anywhere from high-tech to biotech to commercial real estate, just working my way up the chain in HR, becoming an executive as a VP level, I would say maybe somewhere around the upper 30s.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_02: And from there, I just wanted to keep accelerating.
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  SPEAKER_02: I enjoyed the profession, the teams that I built and had a chance to work with.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_02: And overall, it's a hard profession, but a really good profession as well.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_02: But I think I just hit a point at one time I remember maybe 10 years ago where I was driving home and I thought, is this it?
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  SPEAKER_02: I feel like it's a question a lot of my friends had as well in their career.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think a lot of people hit that point.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I went into inquiry and just thinking about when is it that I really lose track of time?
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_02: What really inspires me?
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  SPEAKER_02: Which is maybe sometimes different than the question of what is your passion, because that seems a little big and overwhelming.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_02: So I started thinking about I really love to learn.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_02: I really love to travel.
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  SPEAKER_02: I love to help people.
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  SPEAKER_02: So from there, it led to just more curiosity.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I started scheduling some trips to go to hay house conferences in different cities, like in Toronto and Denver.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it fulfilled a few of my desires.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I had the chance to really work with some great mentors, or at least listen to great mentors, like at that time Mel Robbins and Joe Dispensa, Wayne Dyer.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_02: And then they also had a lot of spiritual leaders, such as Gabby Bernstein and several others, mediums.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think it was at that point that I became really intrigued about mediumship.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I just started reading more and learning more alongside of my HR career, knowing that when I retired, I wanted to explore this area more.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's what happened.
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  SPEAKER_02: I retired three years ago from corporate America and I started my practice from that point.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I have about two clients a month and just want to help people heal.
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  SPEAKER_02: Amazing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Was there anything in particular that maybe happened to you as a child or teenager that kind of came a full circle moment as to being a medium now?
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think I really can point to anything.
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  SPEAKER_02: I certainly have heard that as children, we all have this ability to see spirit, to even maybe communicate with spirit until a certain age.
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  SPEAKER_02: Where adults will convince us that they're our imaginary friends.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I do think there is something there.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if I can actually remember it at the time, but I do think our imagination and our play as children allows us to tap in more than what we even think.
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  unknown: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, but for for me, it was probably more as I got older.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's just my intuition of reading people in HR.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's part of being a good practitioner, is to be able to read the energy of the room, read the energy of a person's personality and skills and capabilities.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I think all of that kind of just naturally moved me into this space.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: For people who aren't familiar, what does a medium do?
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  SPEAKER_02: A medium has the ability to communicate with the souls or the energy of deceased loved ones.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we're able to tap into their energy and receive messages for loved ones here on earth.
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  unknown: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: And do you have a specialty?
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  SPEAKER_03: Is there something that you find you you gravitate toward?
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  SPEAKER_02: I just think in general, I'm finding throughout my practice that I'm enjoying working with the 25 to 35 year olds for just to try and put out some type of a category of age because there's a lot of pain there that they've lost some really important people in their life and they don't quite know how to process all of it.
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  SPEAKER_02: A lot of people don't, but especially that age is it's a very tough age where maybe they are wishing they have the guidance of their parents who are no longer with them.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I find that seems to be the area that I am coming in strong and enjoying, helping them just grow as young adults.
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  SPEAKER_03: Do you find that people that age are more open-minded or yeah, I think that's true.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's a really good, that's a really good point.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is true.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're much more open-minded, they're a little more curious, maybe not as conditioned or shut down in certain areas.
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  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of them actually have started to explore what are angels, what are angel numbers.
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  SPEAKER_02: They want to know how to receive their own direction or how to be able to learn themselves to have this skill, which everybody can do when I'm doing.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's I think as long as it comes with quieting your mind.
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  SPEAKER_02: You can quiet your mind and be in a place to receive, which is not an easy thing to do in today's world.
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  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, it's definitely something that's available to everyone.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you would say this is more of like a muscle that is utilized, a muscle that gains strength over time, as far as learning how to use it.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I do.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think it's a muscle and it is a language.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's a language.
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  SPEAKER_02: So what's happening in mediumship is since everything is energy in our world, we raise our energy as mediums.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_02: So you have to really bring your energy up, meaning you are you have a clear mind and you are tapping into the energy of the loved ones on the other side, and they're lowering their energy, and there's this plane or this space where we will connect.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's how we are able to receive messages from them.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_02: But in order to get there and to raise your vibration and to raise your energy, you really have to be out of the minutiae of some of the life's challenges that are handed to us on a daily basis, right?
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_02: So it's a constant practice of meditation every morning for me, clearing my mind, observing my thoughts, and really trying to get above my thoughts so that I can receive.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: I have to ask a question because I'm sure some of our listeners are probably would probably want to know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Have you had an opportunity to connect with somebody in your personal life?
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_02: I have, yes, yes, it's very near and dear to my heart, actually.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_02: My best friend passed away three years ago.
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  SPEAKER_02: She was 93, one of the most beautiful souls I've ever met.
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  SPEAKER_02: And before she passed, she presented me back with there were two deers.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_02: I had one deer, and I, it's they're like our decorative deers.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_02: And she gave me hers back and said, put them two together in your home.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_02: And so I have these two deers that are facing me in my home.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_02: And every morning I say hi to her.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_02: And at least three times since she has passed, one of the deers has been completely turned around, facing an opposite direction.
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  SPEAKER_02: And there's no animals, no people.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm the only one in my home.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it to me is just amazing when spirit can move something in your home or let you know, come into a dream, or let you that everything's going to be okay if something difficult's going on.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I've had some beautiful moments within my dreams and also physically where things are moved to let me know that they're here.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_02: And it's just a beautiful reminder to what I do is for my clients is I have them, I send pictures, text me pictures of the loved one, and then the person's first name and their relationship, like you just said, a best friend.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_02: And then what I do is I will I channel the energy of the picture first and foremost, like I would almost like an HR when you have somebody sitting across from you.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_02: So I will channel the energy of the person and I will go outside in nature for maybe two or three sessions before I ever meet with someone, because I really am opening my channel to their loved ones on the other side, to the loved ones on the other side and their angels and spirit team.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then what I do is I will write notes in my phone for any messages or life lessons that they have to deliver so that when I'm in a reading with somebody, I'm able to, I can show them I already have notes ahead of time.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I will then send the notes to the person after the reading so they have it as a reminder.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's how I operate.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I know all mediums are different.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not as good on the spot.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes spirit will come in at the at the time that we're having this reading, but more than not, I like to channel ahead of time for them.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_01: What's a myth people believe about your job that drives you nuts?
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_02: That's a good question.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_02: I think the myth is that they think I'm researching on Google or AI.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_02: So I think I've heard this before, and it always surprises me.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I'm sure there, I'm sure there are some practitioners that may do that for the money.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's very possible.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_02: But I don't have the time nor the desire.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's why I don't get a last name.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_02: I intentionally don't want to know.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I think that is that's a myth for me.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_02: I think most people, good mediums, will not do that.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're simply wanting to be a channel.
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  SPEAKER_02: We aren't responsible for the message.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're responsible for having an open channel and then delivering the message and maybe positioning it correctly so that depending on how difficult the message is to receive.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever encountered a message from somebody who the person who hired you and somebody else came through?
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_02: I have not had it in a reading.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_02: Where that happens to me more often is on airplanes for some reason.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_02: This so this is where it will be on the spot.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_02: I will be in the airplane, and if I feel like at least 50% of the time, my seat mate will start talking about a funeral they just attended or somebody that died.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I usually try and tap into my team to see, is this somebody you want me to help?
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_02: And before I know it, I will I can tap into the person's deceased loved one who they're talking about.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_02: They just start coming in.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I'll have messages for them.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_02: So I have been known to do that, but seldom do I have where somebody else comes in.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think maybe it might be just be that I'm focused on communicating with that one soul or that one spirit during the reading.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: What's the best part about your job?
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_02: The best part for me is seeing the healing, especially if it goes on right in front of me.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes it does, or over multiple sessions, or to see their belief.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_02: They want so many people want to believe, but until I can give them something where they know without a doubt there's no way I would know it.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's at that point I see their face light up and they know that their loved one is there with them and that they haven't left them.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_02: And to see that is just such a beautiful gift to know that they're a little more comforted or a little less sad in their journey and they're gonna communicate and talk to their deceased loved ones now, versus thinking they just have left them.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: So, of course, the flip side is what's the hardest part about your job?
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_02: The hardest part the hardest part of my job is not managing the sadness like some people would think.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's to always remove my ego when I'm channeling with spirit or the souls of loved ones.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_02: Because it's such a delicate personal manner for everybody, and you don't want to be wrong, and I think that's one thing that's I've had to work through, and it's hard.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_02: So if the ego is present, that's a the thought process.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_02: But if I can remove the ego, and again, and just remember I am simply here as a means for spirit to communicate through me to their loved ones, then it be gets easier.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_02: But it is actually a practice I've had to go through the first couple of years of my practice just to make sure the ego is removed.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: Is there an entry level?
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: And then the more you study and practice, okay, you get another certification or another, you know, level up.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so well, I'll answer it in this way.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_02: My understanding is that all mediums are psychic as well, but not all psychics are mediums.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_02: So all mediums have the ability.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_02: I have had psychic hits.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_02: I have had them in my dreams before.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_02: As an example, Putin came into my dream two months before the war.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_02: Things like that will happen worldly or in my personal life, or I can see some things for other people from a psychic standpoint.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: My understanding, again, from my mentors in Sedona, is that psychics, though, don't necessarily have the ability to communicate with deceased loved ones.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I understand that being a medium is harder than a psychic, but for some reason, for me, that became my natural course first.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_02: So from there, I think it's a matter of some practitioners, some of my mentors and practitioners in Sedona have been practicing for 20, 30 years, or they learned some of their skill and understood their skill at an early age.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_02: So it's the depth maybe of experience that they have, the number of readings.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_02: Some may venture off into other areas like with tarot cards or astrology or what have you.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_02: So it's they will add to their practice and have offer more of a full practice.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: So you can specialize in one thing over the next.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's correct.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: Can you talk to us a little bit more about the industry as a whole?
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think you do find your your mentors, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: So I as well as there are some really well-known mediums out there.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: So I started watching Long Island Medium.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_02: She's a Teresa Caputo's amazing, Tyler Henry's amazing.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: I started watching The Experts first.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_02: And then I started reading books like Laura Lynn Jackson is excellent.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_02: She has books on called The Sign, and she has several books out there, but she's a really strong medium who I trust and believe.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_02: And then I personally went to Sedona for a four-day intense learning to advance my skills.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_02: And I became friends with this particular practitioner, and from there I was able to meet and have Thanksgiving dinner with seven other great practitioners in Sedona.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like it just kind of keeps growing as you become curious.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_02: I believe that's any profession that you're in.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_02: So I just have had such great blessings in my mentors.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_03: How do you manage holding space for people who I imagine are suffering when they're meeting with you because it's such a painful topic?
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I probably being in HR conditioned to me in this space.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's something that I've always had to help people through tough and difficult times, whether they're losing their job or didn't get a promotion, or a lot of the deaths that people suffer in their personal lives in HR were helping them through those because they do carry over into your job whether you wanted to or not.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_02: So I think some of it was just really 30, 40 years of experience and knowing how to set the stage and hold space for people as they're healing.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_02: So it felt pretty like a natural skill.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_02: It is a new, it is a higher level, though.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_02: I will say I never experienced as much trauma.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: I've had at least two or three clients where they have had to work through finding their loved ones, take their lives.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: So the suicides are difficult, they're really hard because there's more than just they're dealing with the shame and guilt, and there's a lot of emotion that's involved in it.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, it's definitely it's it can be draining for a medium, it can be draining for me.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_02: I find ways to reconnect in nature after a reading, just and I will sometime have to sage the house just to make sure that all my energy is neutral again.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_02: So there's just a lot of different techniques that you find in order to hold space and manage that sadness.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: I'd say everybody who has come to see me is still suffering to some degree.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_02: I would say each I've had a couple of kids in their 20s who were dealing with the death of their mother, and they've seen me maybe three or four times in the last two years to try and work through the transitions in their life.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_02: And it is good to see as they get through some transitions and know that she's with them, to see them come to me with a little more joy each time and it's less sadness.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: So it's, but they're still looking for guidance because their mother's not there in their physical world to help them through an engagement or a job transition or a so they're looking for the life lessons, which is something I didn't expect when I first started this path.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_02: But spirit is giving me different life lessons for every person sitting across from me.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_02: And it could sound generic to some people, but what helps the life lessons is when they give me something really specific in a reading, which I would have no idea what it meant, but it meant something to the person.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_02: So then the life lessons also mean something, if that makes any sense.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_02: It's a validation that the life lessons are meaningful.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: But have you ever had a conversation with your parents that eventually you're going to pass, understand I'm gonna, I'm going to communicate with you?
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, that's such that's a really brilliant question because actually I think it was the best gift I have ever given my parents.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I will forever be grateful for it.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: When I started this practice, my parents are both very Catholic, and I was raised Catholic, and they are very practice every day.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_02: So I wasn't sure they would believe me.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: And the first person to come into me was my mom's mom, my grandmother, who I adored.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: And she came in through a dream saying everything is gonna be okay, et cetera.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember calling my parents on the way to work and sharing what happened.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_02: And I thought they're either gonna commit me or they're gonna believe me.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: I wasn't sure which direction it was going.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_02: And my my mother said all the right things.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_02: And she's I think that's great that my mom came in to see you.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_02: And she believed in angels, and she just said enough to put me on my path.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_02: And my and I'm getting to your question here.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_02: My father was not that he doubted me, he just had wasn't quite sure.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_02: He was sweet because I'm his daughter, and what happened.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: You but there was the time a few years ago where his best friend and brother died.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I channeled my uncle to see if he had anything from my father.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_02: And the message that he had given me, one of the messages was handkerchiefs.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I talked to my dad about it.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: And dad's like, that doesn't mean anything to me.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_02: And I said, I don't know.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: He just keeps saying it.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: So we go to the funeral, we go to the breakfast at the church afterwards.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_02: And my father decides to talk to a couple of his nieces and nephews, which were the kids of his brother.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: But they're grown adults.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_02: And I said, Be careful in what you say.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: They may not believe it.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_02: And also, he just passed away.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_02: But dad went in, he grabbed the three kids and he said, Your dad keeps saying handkerchiefs to Jan.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_02: Does that mean anything?
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_02: And on the count of three, they all pulled out these dingy handkerchiefs of their dad's that they brought to the funeral.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: And it was a family joke that he didn't know.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_02: And my father's face, I'll never forget the surprise, the joy in knowing.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: This still chugs me up a little bit.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: But and so I know my dad at that point.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_02: He went around the room telling people about it.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_02: And I was trying to calm him down because I didn't, not everybody believes in it.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's a pretty sad moment, right?
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_02: But my father at that point believed in what I do and believes in all of it.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_02: And so my mom and dad now are not afraid to die.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: They know their loved ones are going to be on the other side to greet them.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_02: That's the best gift I could have ever given my parents.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_03: Have you ever had anybody, any client who has a grievance with a loved one and they want to, you know, ask a question or confront them about something they've learned, or where did you hide the china?
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_03: Or yeah.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: That's a great yeah, that's a good question.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's maybe it wasn't so much a grievance, but it's it's been like a sadness that as a parent they didn't show up for them.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: So maybe alcohol was involved.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_02: In fact, a couple that have come to mind, the parents were alcoholics and they were not present in the kid's life.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_02: Or they did some things or said some things that were still made a great impression on the my clients.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_02: So it's the why weren't you there for me as as a parent?
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: And and but what's interesting about those readings is that the spirit of the deceased loved ones, the let's say these two parents who were alcoholics, they really need forgiveness from their kids.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: They needed to they needed to share with them how they were absent as a parent, but that they are more present now and they can be more present to give them guidance as they move through their life.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_02: I would say it's more from that angle than anything.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's more the for just the forgiveness that's needed.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_02: Because I do believe we get that we get our opportunity to see a life review when we pass.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_02: And they have their opportunity, and within that, they see who they heard to who they didn't show up for, and or who they did show up for.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_03: Does that life review happen in a third person?
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_03: Are you watching your life from the outside?
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_02: I believe it is.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_02: That's my understanding.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I believe we get to see it all.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_02: I I don't know at what point I've I have been told we get to attend our funeral.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_02: You get to see it all.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: I hope so.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_02: Because our soul is infinite.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's yeah, that's the question I get often is if I believe in reincarnation, which I do, but then they say, if you're reincarnated and you come into a child, how can you help me at the same time?
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I think the answer is again that the soul is infinite.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's just a a part of the soul that's in that newborn.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_02: The other part is assisting others, assisting you or the many other people that they're meant to assist in this lifetime.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: So that's my belief, and many, many of my mentors have a similar belief.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_02: But again, it's such a personal thing.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: You don't ever want to push anything onto anybody.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I just always hope that somebody believes in something bigger than them, whether that be God or the divine or source or universe or Buddha.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't matter.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_02: That's just my belief for everybody who sees me.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_02: But again, it's such such a personal decision.
• 26:25
  unknown: Yeah.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's a shame that I know this is gonna sound weird, that we as the living want to reach out to our deceased loved ones for some type of closure or affirmation or something.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: Do you believe that there's somebody on the other side with your gifts that can help the deceased contact the living?
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I do.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_02: I pray through God all the time.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_02: So I believe in God and I believe that I believe we have a spirit team.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_02: I my spirit team, for example, I just pray right to my spirit team.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_02: I for me, it consists of God, it consists of all the archangels and the angels, my guardian angel, and my deceased loved ones.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_02: So I just group them all.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think that my spirit team will help the loved ones as they transition over to assist.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_02: And that they have their own, but they all have their, I think everybody has their own angels that are assisting them through the transition.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I've listened to some wonderful podcasts from hospice nurses, for example, who, without a doubt, will say the same thing that within the two or three days of a person's death, they actually will hear the person talking to loved ones on the other side who are going to help them transition.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_02: And the family often think they need more morphine.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_02: And the nurses are like, no, they're really being, they're seeing angels, they're seeing deceased loved ones who are going to help them transition.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: So I think the people on the other side are our loved ones are learning all of this.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna be curious as heck when I get to the other side, but I I gotta believe they're learning all of this through their own spirit team and spiritual leaders.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: Is that the same team that you referred to when you're on the airplane?
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: You said you tap into your team.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I won't tap into my team.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_02: I'll ask them, is this somebody you want me to help or not?
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: Some because sometimes it's just somebody who wants to talk and they aren't ready to receive what I have to offer or what messages I'm hearing.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: So I do try and get receive my guidance as much as I can.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: In in an organic environment setting, have you ever received and the person just wasn't ready to receive?
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I have.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_02: I have.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I've had somebody very close to me who believed that maybe the devil had gotten a hold of me.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_02: And that's okay.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_02: But it was initially, it was a surprise for me early on in this journey and path of mine.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_02: But I've now, I have very seldom have heard comments like that.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_02: The majority of people believe, but there are some that just either aren't ever gonna believe or maybe they didn't want to hear what I had to say.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_02: They weren't ready, they weren't ready yet.
• 29:13
  unknown: They weren't ready.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, now for the juicy part.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: What's the oddest, wildest, weirdest, or most really unforgettable thing that you've witnessed while you've done your work?
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_02: I would say one of them has been recent, actually, where a lady came to me and she wanted to communicate with her son who had taken his life.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_02: And she was the first person to find him.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: And she wanted to have a reading with me before Christmas because it was going to be her first Christmas without him.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_02: So I worked with her about three weeks before Christmas, and he was so clear, he came in with some beautiful signs and messages that there even with things that were in his apartment where I would have absolutely no idea.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_02: And also, there's some questions she had with regards to his death and also maybe what to do with some things, and he answered all of them ahead of time.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_02: And so it was a beautiful reading.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_02: She felt connected to him and maybe was able to release some of the shame.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: So anyway, I had sent her the notes after our reading, like I had mentioned earlier.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_02: And fast forward then to Christmas, and I am traveling, I think, to Denver somewhere, and I turned my phone over and his notes show up at the front of my phone.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: And I thought, I just excused it the first time.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: I thought that's odd.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_02: And then I was flipped it off my phone and started looking for what I needed, the map or something.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_02: And that ended up happening three times on Christmas Day that his notes were popping up on my phone.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I thought, finally I stopped and thought, wait a second, there's a message.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: He's trying to get to his mother.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_02: So I had to stop my own personal life.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_02: And I sent her a text and I said, Merry Christmas.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, by the way, your son's notes have popped up on my phone three times today.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I know it's his way of trying to reach out to you on Christmas Day.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_02: And he's being very persistent, and I want my phone back, and then we're laughing back and forth.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_02: And she said, I have been looking and reading his notes all day long, and I can't thank you enough.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_02: And I was just, I wasn't creeped out about it.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_02: I was amazed by it.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_02: I was amazed at the how strong a spirit can be and to work back through me back to his mom on that day.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_02: So I just thought that was so cool.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_03: I question.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_03: So I've heard people say, and friends of ours have told us that, like, for example, one of them said that every time she thinks about a past loved one, a hummingbird will show up.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_03: And another friend finds hearts everywhere, rocks written on the sidewalk, just everywhere we go.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_03: She finds these hearts and she thinks they're from her dad who passed.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm curious if that's kind of a common experience that you see a spirit communicating through animals or inanimate objects or things like that.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I do believe that spirit will communicate with you however best they can.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_02: You may have heard of the clairs, like clairvoyance and clear audience.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_02: And so I bring that up because so some people who are a little more creative and see things, they may use animals or objects or things like that.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_02: Something that means something to them.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_02: So they're gonna speak your language as best as they can.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_02: So yes, I completely believe in that.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_02: Or it could be something that maybe was a favorite flower of their mother's or a favorite bird, or and they will, they're able to show you those things.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_02: Other people, like I'm Claire Audience, where I can hear, I hear lyrics in my head all day long.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I have since I've been, that's one thing probably since a little girl, I can go back to I've heard songs all the time.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_02: And I just thought it was odd that I would hear a song I haven't heard for five years or 10 years or 20 years, what have you.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_02: But what the what they do, what spirit can do is they will use the lyrics in songs to send a message to you or give you guidance.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_02: And they use may use snippets with the in the lyrics.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_02: So if you're quiet doing dishes or something and music is something you relate to, don't be surprised if a song comes into your head.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_02: And what you should do at that point, what I recommend is to really look at the lyrics and what and then what was I thinking about?
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_02: What was I trying to solve, or what issue in your life are you trying wanting guidance on?
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_02: And usually the guidance is right there within the music.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_02: So that's another way they can communicate with you or through dreams is a beautiful way for them to pop in and say hi because your mind is quiet in dreams, so they can come in and show themselves.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_02: And usually if they come in, their younger self, which I hear sometimes is like, gosh, they were so much younger.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_02: And that I've always understood is just a display of joy that they're happy, especially if they're coming in as their younger self.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_03: What are the other clairs?
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_03: I know I've heard of clairvoyance, but kind of bit.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so clairsentient is another one.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_02: That's it's being able to feel a person's energy and feel what the person's feeling.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_02: Claircognizant is another one that I use a lot in my mediumship.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's where the thoughts are coming in through from the back side of my head.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_02: And it's taken a lot of practice.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_02: If thoughts come in from the front part of my head, often it's my ego or thoughts for myself.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_02: But if they come in from the back side, especially from the right side for me, I know it's being guided.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_02: So that's clear cognizance.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's a knowing.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's a knowing that what you're hearing and receiving is you just know.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_02: You don't even know how you just know.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_02: So it's there are different ways that they can talk to you.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's the biggest challenge.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's like you're learning a new language without a textbook.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_02: And it's it can be frustrating at times because you think you have it figured out or analyzed or interpreting it correctly, and then then you're then you start to doubt yourself.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_02: And again, this is from my own personal guidance.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_02: For others, it's actually easier.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, so they will go, it's a very individual communication as to how your spirit team and angels will communicate with you.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: What's one lesson you've learned the hard way in your new practice?
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's learning to say and speak the messages as I receive them, as they are.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes I don't even I don't want to say the messages because I think you don't really want me to say that, do you?
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm in a reading one time and the the father gave me septic tank.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I thought, are you serious?
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: You want me to say septic tank?
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_02: And so I write it down and I say it, and then here the client said, Oh my gosh, my my dad's business was Sid's septic tank.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, What?
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_02: So I hesitate sometimes wanting to deliver the message because I think it's so out there.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_02: Or how is this possibly going to resonate?
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_02: It could be boring like popcorn.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I thought, I one time I remember not wanting to say popcorn to the client.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_02: And then here my client is like, oh my gosh.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: We used to tease my mom all the time because she had old popcorn machines, but she hated popcorn.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_02: So it can be so meaningful to the person across from me, but when I'm receiving the message, it sounds either very ordinary or way abstract.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: So I've just learned to just to say the messages.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: Was there a time that you felt like you were going to censor it before you actually said something?
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then you're like, oops, that maybe I shouldn't have censored myself.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, yeah, that's a real, yes, that has happened a number of times, actually.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_02: Because it again, it just felt so ridiculous for me to say it.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_02: But everybody has their own special meaning based on their experiences with the person.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, definitely that has happened.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I've also had a difficult client where they're practically folding their arms, not believing anything I'm saying.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_02: And they're kind of like, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna work with you on any of the messages you're giving me because I need you to prove it.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_02: And I've learned that person just probably isn't ready then to receive any of the messages, and that's okay.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_02: But initially it's a little challenging to take that because you want to give good service and help people, but sometimes they're not ready.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_02: And that person actually ended up texting me like a week later, going, Oh my gosh, this meant something.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_02: This meant something.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_02: So it's just on their own time.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you have to wonder why are they coming to you if they aren't prepared to receive a message?
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that is a question.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_02: I've talked to my mentor, remember, about that particular one in Sedona, because it was a hard one for me.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_02: And she said, I've learned that if the client is across the table, I will say to them, Hey, this is your reading.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_02: You're paying me.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_02: So if you want to work with me a little bit to here to get the best reading, I'm here to help you.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_02: But if not, we can reconvene or not.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's a really good response, right?
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_02: Because again, it's the person's reading, not mine.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: Do they say that mediums are just like the vessel?
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: You just are the deliverer of information.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_02: That's exactly it.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we're the channel.
• 38:11
  unknown: Yeah.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_02: And they'll find us.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_02: That's what's so interesting.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_02: I had a date last night, and this gentleman was not uncertain with what I'd done, just what I do.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_02: He just didn't really understand it.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_02: And as he was telling me about his sister that had passed away some time ago, I start hearing names.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_02: And she starts giving me names.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_02: And as I ask him, hey, do you know this name?
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_02: And he's like, Yeah, that's my sister.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_02: And then she'll give me another name.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, Do you know this name?
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_02: And it's a it's a name I've never used before.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_02: And he's like, Yeah, that's a really good family friend who's my first cousin.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_02: He goes, How do you know this stuff?
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_02: So sometimes they will drop in wherever I am in order to, I see it as planting seeds for the person I'm with to maybe open their eyes so that they will start to believe that their loved one is there.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_02: So I never quite know when it's going to happen.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes it just happens.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm just the channel.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: What as we kind of close out a little bit, what would you say to the living that they could learn from the deceased?
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_02: That's a wise question.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's a how peaceful and loving and calm everything is once they pass.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_02: And not don't be afraid of living and don't be afraid of dying.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: Because so the more you live, and I think they would say the more you believe that we are here waiting to help you, we're not going to interfere in your life.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_02: They don't.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_02: They're just they're hanging out waiting for us to ask.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_02: And we ask for help, everything gets easier.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_02: So I think they want us to ask them for help so that it can be the simplest things is finding a parking space to do I change jobs, do I to relationship issues.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_02: They want to help guide us through everything.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_02: So that that's how life gets to be so rich and fun.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like an extension, especially if you go into your dream state.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_02: That's a probably another whole recording.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_02: But if you you can easily write down your question on paper and ask them.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_02: And then if you keep practicing, like I get an answer every single time I ask a question now in my dream.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_02: And that is like an an extension of your life.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_02: Because now you're not just having the daytime to live, but now you're living through the evening, receiving guidance.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_02: So that's a it's a beautiful journey.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_02: And they're all so at peace on the other side.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_02: Even if they had a rough life here, the ongoing conflict or whatever they were dealing with, it just doesn't exist.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's not the same.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_03: What advice do you have for someone who might be interested in becoming a medium?
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_03: What should they do?
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_02: I know there are different schools, just even within like San Diego, for example.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_02: I know there are different places you can go.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't personally been to them, but like even in Sedona with my mentor, she offers intuitive development courses.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_02: It's a good way to start.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_02: So you're developing your own intuition and you're getting your channel very strong to receive.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_02: I would also suggest strongly to either do Insight Timer or Calm, to meditate in the mornings if you can, or find a time sometime throughout the day, even if it's five minutes, just to clear all the stress and the clutter out of your mind.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_02: And the more you do that, the longer you can go with a clearer mind.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_02: Because you really need that in order to receive.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's being prepared for so many beliefs.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_02: There everybody, it doesn't matter if it's a different religion maybe coming to you with their own beliefs.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_02: You may have the doubters.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_02: But for the most part, knowing that there everybody has a story.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_02: I love the stories.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_02: That's there, I haven't had a reading yet where somebody hasn't shared a story.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_02: And to me, it's the story they want to vocalize and they want to talk more about, but they may be afraid to talk about within their own social circle circles yet.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_02: So it be that's where the joy comes in.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_02: So it's all of it comes at you, but just to be really open-minded and just try and guide people along their own path, whatever that is.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much to our guest today who literally took the word human resources onto a higher level, I must say.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: And with that, we'd like you to we'd like to thank you for sharing your story with us.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: You've officially joined the ranks of the brave and the bold.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for having me.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's it for this week's confession.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_01: We've laughed, cringed, and maybe questioned our own career choices.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_01: Big thanks to our anonymous guests for keeping it real and reminding us that behind every job title is a story worth telling.
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  SPEAKER_03: Until next time, keep your badge clipped, your coffee strong, and your stories wild.
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