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Talks to Dylan Rees & Luke Molloy about their choice of The Keys of Marinus (4/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  None. Hamster with a blunt.
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  Pen knife. They're doing quicker.
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  Welcome back to a Hamster with a Blunt Pen Knife, the Doctor Who
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  Commentary podcast, where today the intrepid explorers Dylan
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  Reese and Luke Malloy face evil rapist Vasilore in the snows of
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  terror. Hello boys.
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  Hang on, we're not doing the ass warriors, you know, or the space
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  virus sound. Quite ice morrowy though, yeah.
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  Now before we go into episode 4, a quick disclaimer.
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  We have had a two week break between episode 3 and 4 because
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  doing 6 in one night is fucking exhausting.
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  May I read you gentlemen an excerpt from The Keys of
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  Marinus, the novelisation written by future producer
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  Philip Hinchcliffe for some reason.
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  OK, it's just a one paragraph but I wasn't with your thoughts
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  on it. He was ex producer by the time
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  the book came out though, right? Oh, for sure.
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  Yeah. It was like me to layout this
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  guy, wasn't it? Well, yeah.
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  Are you having us? Are you going to put the
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  production subtitles on again today please?
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  Certainly, yeah. We have.
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  We never would have known his middle name this summer.
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  I I just need to tell you that when we were doing a thing, came
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  up on my Zoom saying are you playing music?
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  I got to say. Such a professional audio in
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  audio settings. No, that's just what snow sounds
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  like. Stupid computer.
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  OK, here we go. I'm ready.
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  In that instant Vasel leaped for one so large he moved with a
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  astonishing speed. He swept the wooden table aside
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  and was almost on her before Barbara pulled a chair into his
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  path and darted to the opposite corner of the room.
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  Vesar hurled the chair aside and advanced nearer.
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  Barbara grabbed the plate and heaved it full into his face.
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  It broke across his nose, shattering into small pieces.
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  Vasil brushed it off like a family.
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  He lurched towards her again. Cornered.
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  She aimed to blow with the poker, but he caught her arm
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  easily and twisted it from her grip.
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  A hand like a ham bone seized Barbara by the neck and slammed
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  her against the wall, knocking the breath from her body.
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  Then fingers like steel pincers bit into her throat, slowly
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  throttling her. Jesus.
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  Now, I already mentioned this to say, because these target books
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  were in most children's sections in the what do you think about
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  all this sort of violence towards women?
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  I mean, the it's not the only episode in this story that has
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  violence towards women. We'll come to it again in
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  Episode 6. But.
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  I mean, you just keep saying it's a different time, but like
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  Jesus, what were they thinking? Were they trying to figure it
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  out? Is that what's going on here?
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  Like, like what? What?
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  How far could we go? Yeah.
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  No, because I don't think, I don't think television
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  necessarily pushed those sort of boundaries very often and
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  certainly not in family television.
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  I don't think this is the web planet of sexual abuse.
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  Could you explain that? I'm confused.
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  And the web planet is always described as when they really
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  went all out to try things. Right.
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  Yeah. You think they could have gone
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  further? Is that?
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  What you say, and I don't think, I don't think the snows of
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  terror is, is trying anything. And on the other side of thing,
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  it's not Kathy come home either, which was a couple of years
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  later and, you know, was the first thing that showed sort of
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  realistic depictions of like teenage pregnancy and all that
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  stuff as a hard hitting drama. This is just nasty.
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  What I will say is when I watched this earlier today and
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  Vaser pulls the lock across and turns on Barbara and goes haha
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  alone at last and starts advancing on her.
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  I mean my buttock clenched. I felt so uncomfortable, whereas
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  before I was quite having a day old time watching The Keys of
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  Meredith review. This was the first time I felt
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  genuinely fearful for somebody. For a child, though, it's just
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  your typical case of companion in danger.
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  It's only it's only gets shocking when you see it
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  through. Brutalizing Barbara, it's better
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  than raping her. Well, I mean the companions are
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  always in in the terror. I mean, the point of the show is
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  the Doctor says, I think that makes it slightly more scary is
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  the Doctor's not in this episode.
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  So you haven't got that comfort warm blanket that there's
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  usually in Doctor Who, which is the Doctor.
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  It's also the fact it's been done by another human.
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  If it was a giant slug, like you wouldn't think anything of it,
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  but it's because it's another human who has gone out of his
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  way to get this woman alone because he wants to sexually
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  assault her. And a sort of brutish cave
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  money. He's all bloke, isn't.
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  He Yeah, yeah. Burly beardy bloke, but there's
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  a lot, he's sort of physically on her as well when he's sort of
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  handling her. He towers over it, doesn't he?
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  You know, really unpleasant. Obviously I'm trying to push a
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  buttons bit here and and discuss right right at the start of the
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  conversation, but basically asking should we ever go here?
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  No, yeah, no, I agree. Well, should we watch you then?
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  I don't, I don't even I don't like it in the time meddler
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  either. No.
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  No. But I think, I think there's
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  slightly more thought about it there.
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  I think they've gone. This is what the Vikings used to
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  do, so we'll certainly put it in.
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  Whereas I think this isn't any thought.
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  This is just like, oh, this, this is how people act behind
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  closed doors. So this one's more scary, I
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  think. But also in the time meddler as
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  well, you cut away so you don't see the axe and you do see the
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  like the emotional consequences of it because she's, she's just
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  mute, isn't she? And bruise and beaten.
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  And that's easier to take, somehow, than watching a woman
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  being thrown around the room desperately trying to find any
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  weapon to protect herself. And yeah, and it's the
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  companion, isn't it? Well, fellas, I'm sure I've got
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  us off on a very jolly note there.
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  It's a good answer. No, I loved it.
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  Well, maybe not that bit. Someone count us in there.
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  Let's watch this thing. 54321. Off we go down the time tunnel,
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  but it ain't really a time tunnel, is it?
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  No, it's something a little different.
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  Time missed. It's more of a ripping a tear in
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  time and space I'd say. No idea.
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  You boys were so poetic, you know, Time missed, you say.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can I ask if any of you fellas
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  did in fact, you know, keep to your word and buy the Doctor Who
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  Atlas in the interim now? I didn't, but I'll tell you what
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  I bought today in the William Wilson sale with the main of the
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  board. Yes, we're going to come back.
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  We're going to do a too Hot for TV board special at some point.
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  I've now got 400 episodes planned with you guys alone so.
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  Yeah, you'll be pumping out material for quite some time.
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  I often AM. £5.49 in the Big Finish.
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  So what the William Russell said.
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  People mocked Barbara for wearing that thick jumper in all
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  weathers, but look at her. She's the only one who's
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  sensible now. Well, it's not enough though, is
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  it? She's still dying out there.
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  It's so cold they pass out straight away.
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  Do you know what I noticed was the polystyrene snow in this was
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  more convincing than the polystyrene snow in the Seeds of
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  Doom? Yeah, it actually looks like
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  fucking snow. Black and white holds a
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  multitude of sins. Sorry and boom and boom.
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  Everything looks more. Convincing than.
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  The planetary landscapes and the keys are barred as I've got boom
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  beat. Didn't I?
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  Sorry. Now go on, because I was going
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  to go off topic. I was.
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  Going to give you some trivia. Where does Francis De Wolf, who
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  plays Vaso, appear later in the Hartnell era?
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  I don't know the answer to that. Let's throw it to Luke.
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  No, I don't have any idea. Is it the myth makers?
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  It is. He plays like an M nom.
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  He's hating that as well. No, it just keeps plaguing me.
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  He plays Jeddakaya in The Tomorrow People as well.
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  Oh yeah, You remember it's sort of like a an alien robot that
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  time travels, which should be really fun, but it's very
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  boring. Oh, I remember stroking your
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  hands a bit like this, Luke, when we went to Walthall.
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  You know, you were cold that night, weren't you?
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  He's very tender. I reckon it'd be a fantastic.
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  One where is that music video? He's very tender.
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  Yeah. Where is that fucking music
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  video? XXX.
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  You don't listen to much of mine anymore, but with you 2 on I can
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  guarantee you'll listen to this. And he loves a Marinus.
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  He loves keys. A marinus, the way he rubs her
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  hand there. He's a caring lover.
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  I bet he's got a stinky bell Ember.
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  Oh yeah, he haven't watched it for years.
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  I mean look at those disgusting furs he's got rubbing it up
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  against. There is a quite a lot of skin
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  rubbing in this, isn't it? I'll notice some thigh rubbing
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  later in the episode as well. Yeah, it was the 60s.
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  People were. Weird.
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  Have you ever tried that, Dylan? With either sex?
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  You know it's so cold. Let me rub your thighs.
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  Yes, it's usually followed by I'm calling the police.
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  Angela. Angela.
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  I do like this. I do like this set.
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  Yes, I do. I it does feel like a hot on a
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  on like a snowy mountain top doesn't.
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  It we can't hear the sound effects, but there's like a
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  whistling wind sort of screaming in the back, you know, in the
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  background. Like that I like all these sort
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  of wooden hoodie sets in the heart and liver.
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  I'm thinking of also that one invasion of earth that the women
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  are in. Yeah, have a good heart.
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  Yeah. I like a sort of a living room
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  area wherever you are in Doctor Who.
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  I like, you know, Vivian Faye's cottage in the Stones of Blood,
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  you know, where it's sort of a bit cozy.
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  I mean, this is perhaps not as cozy as it could be this
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  particular. Yeah, I like a posh office.
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  You know, like Day of the Daleks, Perry, that room that
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  Perry gets attacked by the ghost, and like Capaldi's office
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  in Saint Luke's University. I like posh offices.
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  You're earning extremely well looking Malloy, aren't you?
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  Oh no, I'm like how wet in the woods and you like on posh
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  office? What do you imagine They've got
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  offers? With wet girls in them though.
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  I'm only asking this because we almost were orgasmic over the
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  feast that they had in Morpheton City.
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  What were past you imagine? Vasil offers.
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  It's broth, It says it on the info text.
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  What sort of broth do you imagine it is though?
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  But I'm made out of old bones. I was.
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  Going to say shit though isn't it?
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  You was going to say piss. Word.
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  Yeah, well. Knows a Mariner bowl, maybe a
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  Mariners. They all have a big bowl of piss
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  first thing in the morning. But he does have meat though
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  because he pulls the old meat in the bag trick.
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  The old meat in the bag, we've all done it.
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  What the guy asking for it? What the fuck is Vasil going to
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  do with the travel dial and the keys?
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  Like he's slipping out in an old heart in the tundra.
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  Like. That's a great maybe.
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  Maybe he was going to reconfigure the Marinus machine.
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  Or maybe he knows that he can use that to get out of the the
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  old landscape. Well, do you remember we were
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  talking about sort of the Atlas of Marinus in the first part?
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  And we said we like it because we go to so many different
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  places and we see all different weathers and things here.
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  Not only do we see the tundra and this heart, this setting,
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  but he talks about all the villages nearby as well.
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  There's a lot of detail going on.
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  Yeah, it's, it's it's not a community, it's not a city.
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  It's just got all these wildly different places like we do on
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  Earth. Maybe the most realistic vomit.
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  It'll go to like the nearest inn with those travel dolls and go,
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  come on now, let's swap this for some cheese and ham and grapes,
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  you know? But yeah, he actually would have
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  got set up in a crime if he'd used it.
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  What is that line about? We must fatten you up A.
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  Well, maybe he's going to Buck of Anita.
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  He's not a praying mantis. Oh, look at the wolf.
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  Oh, this is so funny. He moves 2 meters and then Altos
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  is just there in front of him. Oh, I found him all right.
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  It's the passing out snow again though, isn't it?
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  Yeah, also very. Cold, Luke.
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  For anybody who's like the Oh, Marco Polo would have looked
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  amazing with these amazing vistas.
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  It would have looked like this, except.
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  It looks. Good it does.
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  Look good, it looks fine, but it's never quite as big.
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  People always just imagine it as like a more sprawling epic than
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  it I. Got to be honest, I imagine the
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  singing sounds as like this sandstorm like.
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  Huge. Twister level sandstorm coming
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  over. It's Margot Heyho tossing sand
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  off off camera. I'm going to say something now,
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  Dylan. Police don't say who is this
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  guy? Fuck off, all right?
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  But compared to the billowing ice of dragon fire, I'll say
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  this. The ice in this story is quite
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  convincing. No Agreed.
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  Agreed. Oh, here we go, all the keys.
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  What does it mean? I think, I think maybe he just
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  collects stuff off the people around here that might be
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  valuable that he thinks he can trade.
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  I think he knows what they are, but he's like, that looks
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  important. I'll have it.
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  Yeah, that is his eyebrows. You know, it's his eyebrows.
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  Yeah, I thought of Turlo. Sticky uppy eyebrows, aren't
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  they? He just doesn't trim him.
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  You must because he hasn't got a trimmer.
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  Are you at the age where your eyebrows grow ridiculously long?
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  No, I've got one right. It's really annoying.
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  I don't know if you can see it. It's a really long hair.
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  It's just one and that's it. The rest of my eyebrows are
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  really short. Oh I have to trim mine all the
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  time. I fucking hate it.
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  It only started in the last couple of years.
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  Do you pluck, Luke? No, I've never heard about this.
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  It happens when you get older. Your.
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  Eyebrows just start growing. Might you?
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  You know, some men shave down there.
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  That's very old, isn't it? I'll give it a trim is it, but I
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  don't want to do all that. Are you trim?
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  Do you? Yeah, shave, shave the pubes,
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  Yeah. I'm like a jungle.
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  Please, someone moved us back to the keys of Mariners.
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  Well. Why we leaving it as a jungle?
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  It's a screaming jungle, Hairy. Man, it's the sexiest thing.
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  I'm always fancy him. Stop shaving golf.
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  Take it all off. No, exactly a little.
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  Bit, yeah. You've got, can you?
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  Imagine right, he's this red like fire.
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  I mean, amazing, but now it's. All the devil God, yeah.
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  How did we get here? Jesus?
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  Do you imagine Basil Trims? No, no, I reckon he has to part
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  his pubes like a curtain before you see his day.
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  But that is the only thing you've got in common with him.
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  Thank you very much. I appreciate that.
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  Here we go, thigh rubbing alert. Yeah, we're back in they're.
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  Very thin legs, so. Yeah, it's Dylan.
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  Is this in the Doctor Who book of lists?
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  How many thigh rubs there are? In I don't know, I'll have to
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  check for you, but if it's not, I'll write a sequel.
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  Where? Where we?
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  I got that book last week because.
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  You. Oh my God, did you Have you read
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  it? I'm not ready, but it's there to
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  like glance to. Put it in the loo, right?
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  But I promise you, you'll have a long poo because by the time you
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  start, you won't stop. No, it's, I mean, I just love
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  shit like that. Have you read the infographical
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  1? You know, it's all all different
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  graphs. No.
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  No, I've not come into the two of you this Christmas.
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  That seems a bit like taking the fun out of it though, putting it
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  in charts and data and graphics. Well, I'll let you decide once
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  it's turned up at your house. Here we go.
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  We're getting very nasty now in the heart.
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  Why did he leave her? I mean, is it?
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  I'd stay with Barbara rather than.
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  Go on, didn't he have to go out to look at for Altos?
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  And yeah, didn't he trick him to go out and say they were here
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  earlier? Yeah, that is what happened.
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  Did you see that tiny model of his heart?
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  I think it looks lovely. With a little bit of smoke,
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  he's. Just very far away.
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  Oh God, this is very unpleasant. I wonder if Jacqueline Hill
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  said. Is it a bit much for the kids?
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  I don't. Know no don't forget anyone's
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  saying that he. Literally jumps on her.
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  Now look down on the. He's a bad guy.
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  He's a rapist. He's horrible and she knows she
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  bites him. It's fucking domestic violence.
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  No, he just wants a tickle fight.
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  Oh, OK, he's a big cuddly bear. Really.
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  Is that what you're saying exactly?
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  Good old Ian and I'll toss to the rescue.
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  I like the fact that whenever he's in command, but Vasel,
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  yeah, whenever he sort of got control of the scene, it's Ox
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  and a voice like this, and he's very masculine.
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  And the second like the men are around, he's like, I didn't mean
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  to do it. Please don't like a total wimp.
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  I also like the fact he whole, what's his name?
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  Altos holds Vasor by the scruff of the neck.
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  Like yeah, Altos could can take this guy.
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  Finally, we've got Susan and yeah, Sabitha.
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  God, I love ice. Caves.
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  I love Sabitha. She's got a sort of detached
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  cold iciness about her that I quite like.
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  These are the only two that haven't passed out in the snow
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  as well, even though they've been out there for the long.
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  She's an alien though, Susan, isn't she?
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  And so Sabitha. Yeah, Sabitha is great.
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  Are your Baltos pasta? Have you fellas ever been up in
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  the trees? Go ape.
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  Yeah. Wow.
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  Yeah. Well, you know, they sort of
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  have these huge rope ladders that go between trees.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Enormous ones where you feel like shit.
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  If this actually comes off at the end, I'm dead because I'm so
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  high up. Yeah.
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  Yeah, I. Think they captured that well in
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  a minute with the rope ladder that goes over the ice ravine.
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  No. No.
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  As well as they could. I don't believe that is going
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  over a nice ravine or a nice latrine.
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  They could have jumped that, frankly.
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  It does. It does just remind you the
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  Daleks though, isn't it? But like a really shit version,
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  you know, there's that episode of the Daleks.
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  Someone's saying what? Rope going over 15 fucking
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  minutes. You've got to make sure everyone
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  gets over there. Why did actually notice though?
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  You know the sort of, I don't know what you call it, they're
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  sort of scrunched up plastic they put on the walls when they
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  go along the walls in a minute you can sort of see it billowy
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  in the studio lights. I do.
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  Like the look of The Cave though, like they've obviously
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  tried to make it look icy with the sort of cellophane look,
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  but. It you know what you are right
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  in colour, it would look really. Funny, yeah.
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  But in black and white, I don't know it.
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  I'm sold. Yeah.
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  The Keys of Marinus in colour. I was the T Davis.
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  Is it possible? It's impossible to cut anything
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  from it, as we said. Yeah, what would you take out?
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  You'd have to take out whole subplots.
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  No, you couldn't take. It you could just follow the
• 20:03
  Doctor's story, so that would that would negate 3 and 4.
• 20:07
  You know, not even Carolyn Ford's acting prowess can
• 20:10
  convince that this is a perilous ravine.
• 20:13
  I'll tell you what, it looks more perilous in the fucking
• 20:15
  studio. Like it looks like it could be a
• 20:18
  health and safety issue. Yeah.
• 20:19
  No, I think I believe it because the bridge is so Ricky.
• 20:25
  I mean, they're very clever to just have it dark underneath so
• 20:27
  you can sort of have it's as low as you.
• 20:30
  Want to? I think it works, no?
• 20:31
  I know, but it's less than a meter across.
• 20:34
  Well, true, you could jump it. When he goes, you're stuck here
• 20:39
  forever in frozen bridge do. You know what?
• 20:42
  Do you know what it is? You can't get the run up to
• 20:43
  properly jump it. I think that's the issue.
• 20:47
  I don't know, I've got springy legs.
• 20:48
  I reckon I could do that. Yeah, and I'm used to jumping
• 20:52
  out a perilous situation, so I'll be all right to hop across.
• 20:56
  I've been out a few bedroom windows in my time.
• 20:59
  I'm not very jumpy, you know, I'd stay the other side.
• 21:04
  Actually, no. Do you remember?
• 21:06
  Oh no, It's going to sound like I'm picking on him now.
• 21:08
  Do you remember when we went to Walbourne and we took that walk
• 21:10
  up to the hump and you weren't happy about that walk, was you?
• 21:14
  No, no, I went. Up for a walk?
• 21:15
  It's. Not that I don't like.
• 21:16
  Walking exercise all the time. I just, I need to be prepared
• 21:19
  that I'm going to do it. That was so worth it.
• 21:21
  We went to the set of of work. Katie Manning's on a
• 21:25
  documentary, Point at the Sky. Yeah, that's great stuff.
• 21:28
  That's where Alastair Fergus was, wasn't it?
• 21:31
  It was a. Lovely hush.
• 21:33
  We we need to get somewhere. We need a location visit booked
• 21:36
  in for next year. Yeah, totally.
• 21:38
  And when we ran around the Android invasion part, I was
• 21:41
  very happy then as. Well, if you if you do get
• 21:43
  Valiant tickets, you can go to Yaz's council estate.
• 21:46
  I don't. I don't think I can do Valiant
• 21:48
  though. But we can pretend the spiders
• 21:51
  are coming after us. Come on now.
• 21:54
  Oh, there you go. Wait there forever.
• 21:56
  He goes and he really froze the bridge, don't he?
• 21:59
  It's a proper fuck you. Yeah, You know, whoever said
• 22:04
  Aldos is a bit meant to see? I mean, he's a bit sort of RSC,
• 22:07
  isn't he? Look at him, he's very dainty.
• 22:11
  Honestly, you don't notice that Hartnell's missing though, do
• 22:14
  you? Like I never did as a kid, it
• 22:16
  was pointed out. He's not the lead character at
• 22:19
  this point. He's like a means to an
• 22:21
  adventure, but they're all it's, it's, you know, it's a company
• 22:24
  of actors. It does make these two in the
• 22:26
  middle slightly more dangerous I think.
• 22:28
  Like what I was getting at before, you don't have that
• 22:30
  cuddly magical figure that can get you out of shit.
• 22:34
  They may as well just call it Doctor Who and friends at this
• 22:37
  point like it does. Feel intentional at this point.
• 22:40
  But you definitely feel it when he returns.
• 22:43
  Yeah, Oh my God, yeah, we will get.
• 22:45
  He's having a but I'll send you both William Hart to
• 22:50
  investigate. This is wonderful.
• 22:52
  Yeah, those furs aren't really sort of all over, are they?
• 22:55
  Season. Looks like she's got my rug
• 22:57
  round her. Yeah, and only barely.
• 22:59
  Yeah, and she's an alien. She doesn't even need it.
• 23:03
  That's true. Oh yeah, You were saying in the
• 23:04
  first half, telepathic powers and all these things that she's
• 23:07
  got, she don't use none of them in this, does she?
• 23:10
  Useless cow. No these.
• 23:12
  I love these frozen dudes. They just come out of nowhere.
• 23:16
  Someone's gone. We haven't really got a monster
• 23:18
  in this episode, but probably something.
• 23:19
  What have you got in the cupboards?
• 23:21
  Oh, we've got some Knights outfits.
• 23:23
  But we don't have any helmets. We'll just take the bits off the
• 23:25
  board helmets and put them on them.
• 23:27
  Have they got names? Do we know if they've got names?
• 23:29
  Ice Lords. Are they the Ice Lord?
• 23:32
  No. I've just made that up.
• 23:33
  No, I think they are. I think they are ice Lords.
• 23:35
  Is it ice guards maybe? Oh, this is the one.
• 23:38
  This is the one I wanted you guys to explain to me.
• 23:40
  That fucking key there in the middle, That block of ice, Who
• 23:43
  set that up? Well, what they did is they put
• 23:46
  it in a fish tank, close the fish tank with the thing in the
• 23:50
  middle with with a bit of cotton hanging it up and they smashed
• 23:54
  it, smashed the fish tank and left it there and then they put.
• 23:58
  They put it right next to a pipe of hot water just in case you
• 24:02
  wanted it. I didn't realize you'd been on
• 24:05
  Mariners, Dylan, and set up all the keys in all these places.
• 24:08
  I go on holiday there every year.
• 24:10
  Do you? What part do you like best?
• 24:11
  Which sort of landmass? Oh, I love it in the acid sea.
• 24:17
  It's got to be the velvet. No, I like food more for some
• 24:20
  city, for the Yeah, they give me a whole roast chicken, you know?
• 24:22
  Yeah. In like 40 years we might be VR
• 24:27
  into doctor tooth on It's like marinus.
• 24:30
  Oh you mate, that is a wonderful form.
• 24:34
  Because it. You know we're in helmets like
• 24:36
  Red Dwarf. If technology does go that far,
• 24:39
  there will be a Doctor Who. Funny.
• 24:40
  What would be does adapt it for? A say they did that right, and
• 24:44
  they programmed all of the classic series into VR helmets.
• 24:47
  Yeah. And we got together what would
• 24:49
  be the first story we'd go into, Planet Fire.
• 24:55
  If it. Was I could turn, I'd be
• 24:57
  straight on that could turn. Oh yes, on those bikes.
• 25:00
  That on those bikes, in those blue orbs, singing along.
• 25:05
  I'm not sure if that block of ice there that they're using to
• 25:08
  get across the bridge is entirely convincing.
• 25:11
  I'm wondering if money's run out a bit in this episode.
• 25:13
  Just a little bit. Yeah.
• 25:15
  Do you know what though? We could take the piss out of
• 25:17
  the ice guards. But it's another thing about
• 25:19
  Terry Nation that I love. They just adds a monster and he
• 25:22
  doesn't forget to add a monster in and that to me makes it
• 25:25
  Doctor Whoey. I don't think he's writing a
• 25:27
  script, though. I think he's writing a book.
• 25:31
  And he goes right what I want to get someone to turn the next
• 25:34
  page. The actors you know.
• 25:36
  He's writing an adventure serial.
• 25:38
  He's writing 25 minutes of action per week and actually
• 25:43
  wraps up little plots in each episode.
• 25:46
  But you know, I was really watching this time, especially
• 25:49
  in the last two episodes today when, you know, when you're in
• 25:51
  that big grand city that they go to.
• 25:53
  And I was thinking about the other stories this season
• 25:58
  because obviously this has about 15 times the amount of settings
• 26:01
  as any other story this season. And there really isn't any
• 26:04
  difference. So I just think they spend their
• 26:07
  money brilliantly in Marinus. They do.
• 26:10
  I wonder how much of that is down to the director, because
• 26:13
  nowadays it's down to the line producer and the producer how
• 26:16
  they spend the money. But it feels like, I mean,
• 26:18
  you've said this many times before, that you know, Richard
• 26:21
  Martin has the same budgets and the same hours in the day.
• 26:23
  As Camfield. As Camfield.
• 26:25
  So maybe it's more to do with the how the directors choose to
• 26:29
  spend the money and the producers just keeping an eye on
• 26:30
  it. He has as much money, sorry, he
• 26:33
  has more money on the Chase than Canfield had on Dolly Master
• 26:36
  Plan. Yeah, but we don't know what
• 26:39
  dogs fun looks like. We've got 2 episodes.
• 26:42
  We've got 3, three episodes. Sorry.
• 26:45
  Gone back in you know, there's still 3/4 gone.
• 26:49
  I was I was happy to on strangers in space that they
• 26:53
  were big enough. Richard Martin a bit for the web
• 26:55
  planet. Yeah.
• 26:57
  That was a great episode. He gets hated too much.
• 26:59
  The trouble with him is I think there's like maybe 5 minutes of
• 27:03
  footage in the web planet where he actually achieves what he
• 27:07
  would have liked to have achieved for the entire thing,
• 27:10
  and the rest of the time the cameras pointing at the ceiling
• 27:12
  or something or covered in fucking layers of Vaseline.
• 27:17
  Which is good. It's a good thing.
• 27:19
  Well, Nike can't see the action. You can see what's.
• 27:22
  Going on Susan, sorry, Susan stays on this frozen bridge for
• 27:26
  ages, which is surely the worst thing you could do because it's
• 27:29
  only going to heat up the ice. Come on, love.
• 27:35
  Can I ask you gentlemen, seeing sort of Caroline Ford straddling
• 27:39
  that bit of ice there, does that do anything for either of you?
• 27:42
  No. Why not?
• 27:46
  For an unearthly child, you don't you?
• 27:49
  Although that block of ice? Come on.
• 27:52
  I mean, it's actually, it's actually hard to fancy though,
• 27:56
  because she's meant to be this that younger granddaughter
• 27:59
  figure. Like she's actually.
• 28:01
  She's probably 300 years old. So yeah, I know she's more cute
• 28:05
  than I mean, that is a proper ass shot right there.
• 28:07
  I'm going to change my answer to yes.
• 28:10
  John Dory, you remember where we had all those shots of Barbaras
• 28:12
  ass being grabbed? He likes shooting.
• 28:14
  He's a. Dirty on it, man.
• 28:16
  Yeah, missed this summer? It's always summer time for John
• 28:20
  Gory. Now I'm seeing those high scars
• 28:25
  up closely. It does rather look like they're
• 28:27
  in shower curtains. Yeah, but that's all the fashion
• 28:29
  on Mariners, so don't you worry. About that I do.
• 28:32
  I do love that excuse. Whenever I talk about terrible
• 28:34
  fashions on alien planets, it's like, how do you know what they
• 28:37
  wear on the alien planets? Yeah, shut up.
• 28:40
  They. Probably think you're dressed
• 28:41
  ridiculously. I would love the figurine for
• 28:44
  the monsters on on Mariners. Yeah, the character options,
• 28:48
  Mariners boxer. Yeah.
• 28:51
  So, you know, I was really, when I really watched this recently,
• 28:53
  I was, well, stupid. They all come out The Cave and
• 28:56
  they all look just like what the hell?
• 29:00
  Where the Hell's the bridge gone?
• 29:02
  Where's our mate gone? What you need is the music to
• 29:04
  just go whack whack like. Yeah, when when Susan crosses, I
• 29:09
  was like, oh, so they're all gonna have to like hobble across
• 29:11
  this bridge. I didn't for one second think
• 29:13
  she was going across to then just reattach the bridge that.
• 29:18
  That very stupid where he's counting the keys like he's got
• 29:21
  a stack of money or lovely. You know, I'll do a lot of
• 29:24
  trading with these, just waiting for them to come in and get them
• 29:27
  back. I've already forgotten what
• 29:30
  happens to Vasor, actually. I'd like a Vasor box set to find
• 29:35
  out why he's so aggressive sometimes and so timid others.
• 29:39
  I think he had a very disturbing childhood, you know?
• 29:41
  He lives in a Hut like he's mental.
• 29:47
  That's when you seen the other. Say to him we got stabbed in the
• 29:50
  back he deserved. It these frozen dudes, Jed,
• 29:55
  where do they go? Are they still chasing Ian and
• 29:58
  Barbara across time and space? Yes.
• 30:01
  I like to think they are do. They do a double take of like,
• 30:06
  where did they go? Oh my God, where are we now?
• 30:10
  It's just like bang, totally new place.
• 30:12
  I love how Marinus does that. But this is the first time we're
• 30:16
  bang totally new place in the middle of a story.
• 30:20
  So it's not like a new little vignette starting.
• 30:22
  It's like stuff has happened already, what we need to catch
• 30:25
  up. Yeah, true, Actually, yeah.
• 30:27
  The name of the actor lying on the floor is Dougie Dean, which
• 30:30
  is a great name. As I would love to see more of
• 30:35
  this in Doctor where it is like a little glimpse of next week,
• 30:39
  yeah, a bit like Series 10 did with Thin ice and.
• 30:42
  Look at that camera. It never takes his eye off the
• 30:45
  murder weapon, does it? And you know why?
• 30:47
  You know what's in there. No.
• 30:50
  Microchip. Someone has to say.
• 30:53
  That that's John Gory. You know he's getting ahead of
• 30:55
  the game. I when I first watched this as I
• 30:59
  don't know, a 14 year old, that blew my mind.
• 31:03
  That was like Jonathan Creek done in 1964.
• 31:08
  I do love all of this though. Sinister gloved hands taking the
• 31:11
  key out-of-the-box. Yeah, what the hell was going
• 31:14
  on? I mean, really, what have we
• 31:18
  gone from? We've gone from in episode 1
• 31:20
  like pure science fiction, wasn't it?
• 31:22
  The void and the mission and all that.
• 31:24
  Episode 2, what was that? The the jungle.
• 31:29
  The Turkey. The Turkey.
• 31:31
  So like psychological drama episode 3 was the jungle wasn't
• 31:35
  it? So like horror that defines
• 31:38
  almost. Feels like a like a historical
• 31:41
  to start with until the the Ice Lords show up and it gets
• 31:44
  slightly more sci-fi. Do you think we're doing sort of
• 31:46
  touching on everything that Doctor Who can do here?
• 31:48
  A little bit, to a certain extent, yeah.
• 31:50
  I don't know whether it was slightly, I don't know whether
• 31:52
  it was on purpose, but I think it's certainly going well.
• 31:54
  We can do all these things. Let's fucking do it.
• 31:57
  Thanks. My question to you gentlemen,
• 31:58
  I'm throwing a lot at you in this one because Luke's take it
• 32:01
  over next time is does the keys of Mariners have everything?
• 32:06
  Yes. Good.
• 32:09
  It's, it's, it's a simple adventure story, but it
• 32:12
  certainly gives you a variation of, of tones and paces and even
• 32:19
  characters. What's can I?
• 32:20
  Can I throw one last question at you then, because I, I, I, I
• 32:24
  will step back for the last two episodes and that is compared.
• 32:29
  No, no, no. I want you guys to.
• 32:31
  Do the work I'm not doing the work I'm.
• 32:32
  Not putting my fucking feet up. You think some work you lace as
• 32:35
  shit just because you don't have a podcast anymore?
• 32:38
  Come on, what was I saying? Oh yeah.
• 32:40
  I've gone for like 3 years. People keep bringing this up.
• 32:44
  I miss those audio reviews so much.
• 32:46
  Will you just do another 8th doctor box set just for?
• 32:49
  Me, basically I'm finished big every other week.
• 32:53
  I'm still doing them. The question is, how does this
• 32:58
  compare to the other quest stories that we do?
• 33:01
  So I'm thinking of the Chase. I'm thinking of the Daleks
• 33:03
  master plan and I will throw in the Keats time season as well,
• 33:08
  which is a myriad of locations, you know.
• 33:11
  Well, out of them for the Daleks, Master plan's the worst
• 33:13
  one. Agreed.
• 33:15
  Why is that? Why is that?
• 33:19
  We agree on. Something I don't agree on that.
• 33:23
  Do you know what it is? The Daleks master plan stuff?
• 33:25
  The Dalek stuff is fine. The monk isn't as monkey as he
• 33:29
  is in the in the time meddler so he's like an inferior version of
• 33:34
  himself. And ancient Egypt is just a ship
• 33:36
  run around face to Stephen. Like I mean if it shows up it'll
• 33:40
  be fucking dreadful. Like all those bits.
• 33:43
  The Dalecky bits are fine and look great but it's like
• 33:46
  episodes sort of I want to say 5 to 10.
• 33:49
  Like then stay lost. What about the chase?
• 33:55
  The chase is just so much fun and it's very hard to not just
• 34:00
  be swept away with the last five minutes of it.
• 34:03
  The Hartnell's sort of anger and heartbreak, but also the
• 34:07
  photograph ending. Ivina, Bob, It's very hard to
• 34:09
  leave that story and not just feel great.
• 34:11
  Remember what you said about Ian and Barbara in episode 2 of this
• 34:15
  when she was like oh we and it's basically 6 episodes of Oh we
• 34:19
  and the Chase. It's you know what's that starts
• 34:22
  with? Reading a book and doing the
• 34:24
  dance. Noise.
• 34:25
  There's no way to talk about my singing.
• 34:27
  You know, it's all of that, all the way through.
• 34:29
  OK, so the last one is key to time.
• 34:32
  The best season of the 70s. Yeah, I mean, it gets the best
• 34:36
  balance between drama and comedy of the Tom Baker, really.
• 34:40
  Record. And it's probably, and it's
• 34:43
  very, it's, it's the most sort of Doctor Who, he in a way, in a
• 34:50
  way that it's just like one of the most alien doctors, Tom
• 34:54
  Baker, going to alien places and doing alien things with an alien
• 34:59
  companion. And actually, it's not
• 35:01
  alienating at all. Only the joy of the keys of
• 35:05
  Mariners could possibly bring the three of us.
• 35:08
  To. The same conclusion.
• 35:10
  I'll end the episode there.