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The Kenny Report | 1 July · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to the Kenny Report. I'm Danikiti Giorgio
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Speaker 3: filling in for Chris Kenny this week. Coming up tonight,
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Speaker 3: It's a massive day in the fight against anti Semitism.
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Speaker 3: The Federal Court rules Sydney hate preacher with Some Hadad
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Speaker 3: knowingly breached racial discrimination laws during a series of lectures
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Speaker 3: about Jewish people. I'll give you my take shortly and
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Speaker 3: I'll speak to someone involved with the case. Chris Bowen
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Speaker 3: appears to have had an energy epiphany launching a review
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Speaker 3: into the nation's gas market regulations, and the Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: pins his hopes on a series of upcoming summits for
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Speaker 3: that elusive meeting with Donald Trump, but first for all
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Speaker 3: of the hate and intimidation faced by Jewish Australians since
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Speaker 3: the October seven massacre. Finally a win. Islamic preaching has
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Speaker 3: been on trail in the trial in the Federal Court
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Speaker 3: after Muslim preacher with Hadad was sued by the Executive
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Speaker 3: Council of Australian Jury for racial discrimination. Now the case
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Speaker 3: centered around a series of lectures where he called Jews
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Speaker 3: vile and treacherous people. And this was a significant case
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Speaker 3: because up until now these lectures were argued to be
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Speaker 3: accepted under the guise of islam preachers. Like with some
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Speaker 3: Haddad could argue that all they were doing was quoting
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Speaker 3: from sacred books as they interpret them. But today, after
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Speaker 3: a lengthy trial, Justice Angus Stewart ruled that mister Haddad
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Speaker 3: had indeed breached section eighteen c of the Racial Discrimination Act.
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Speaker 3: Our senior reporter Caroline Marcus explains the judgment.
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Speaker 4: He has now been ordered to remove from the Internet
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Speaker 4: three lectures that the judge found to have racially discriminated
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Speaker 4: against Jews, in which he described them as vile and
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Speaker 4: treacherous people and as the descent of pigs and monkeys,
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Speaker 4: among other disparaging remarks. That court also ordered that he
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Speaker 4: not give any similar features that might be found to
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Speaker 4: be racial discrimination in the future. Here's Justice Angus Stewart
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Speaker 4: breaking down his decision.
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Speaker 5: The imputations include age all tropes against Jewish people that
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Speaker 5: are fundamentally racist and anti Semitic. They make perverse generalizations
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Speaker 5: against Jewish people as a group. Jews in Australia in
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Speaker 5: November twenty twenty three and thereafter would experience them to
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Speaker 5: be harassing and intimidating.
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Speaker 3: Good this man got the verdict he deserved. This is
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Speaker 3: the world we live in where racial discrimination is hidden
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Speaker 3: under the guise of some Islamic preaching, and this vile
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Speaker 3: and hateful language has been allowed to fester at the
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Speaker 3: expense of Jews. And here's a thing. This was an
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Speaker 3: important civil case launched by a Jewish organization and will
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Speaker 3: now have broader consequences for taking on hate speech because
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Speaker 3: we have a judge who was dad in effect to
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Speaker 3: make age old racist tropes about Jews unlawful. With some
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Speaker 3: Hadad had argued that he was simply repeating what is
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Speaker 3: in a sacred Islamic text.
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Speaker 6: Any event that the Jewish lobby are successful, there will
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Speaker 6: be far reaching and long lasting effects on.
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Speaker 1: The entire must of community.
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Speaker 6: You will not be able to quote from Juran and
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Speaker 6: from the Sun without ensuring you are doing so within
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Speaker 6: legal parameters. In the first all it's doing, all it's
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Speaker 6: doing is not all it's doing, but what it's doing
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Speaker 6: is speaking about the Jews, the evil of the Jews,
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Speaker 6: the corruption of the Jews. If this, if we fail
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Speaker 6: at this court, if the Jewish lobby is successful in
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Speaker 6: beating us in this court, then know that these very
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Speaker 6: same aas that are being quote when an imam orro
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Speaker 6: hafiv is quoting them, possibly he could also face the
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Speaker 6: same thing that I'm facing today.
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Speaker 3: Now. Hadad mentioned the Sahib Bukhari, which says, quote, Allah's
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Speaker 3: messenger said, the hour will not be established until you
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Speaker 3: fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a
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Speaker 3: Jew will be hiding will say, Oh, Muslim, there is
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Speaker 3: a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him. Another part
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Speaker 3: of the same sacred text reads the prophets said a
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Speaker 3: group of Israelites were lost. Nobody knows what they did,
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Speaker 3: but I do not see them, except that they were
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Speaker 3: cursed and changed into rats. Now many Muslims would argue
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Speaker 3: those passengers are not a command or an incitement, rather
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Speaker 3: a prediction. But this is why this federal court ruling
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Speaker 3: is so significant, because a judge has challenged with some
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Speaker 3: Haddad's lectures, deeming them unlawful on the grounds of racial
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Speaker 3: discrimination and good and I'll tell you why extreme Islamic
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Speaker 3: preaching is incompatible with Western democracies. Let me repeat that
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Speaker 3: extreme Islamic preaching is incompatible with Western democracies. It is
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Speaker 3: already illegal in this country to incite violence. Now, I
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Speaker 3: will point out there are a number of Muslims who
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Speaker 3: will not interpret the Qoran or the other religious and
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Speaker 3: sacred texts in the way wasasam Hadad does. But if
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Speaker 3: the defense is, while I'm just quoting what is in
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Speaker 3: my religious text, that Jews are rats or other vile names, well,
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Speaker 3: if that is what these scriptures say, then we have
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Speaker 3: a problem with them. People say the Bible is violent,
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Speaker 3: but here is what I see as the difference. The
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Speaker 3: Bible is telling historical stories. The Qoran is not saying
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Speaker 3: what's happened. It could be interpreted as saying what you
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Speaker 3: should do. It's prescribing how Allah wants you to behave. Now,
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Speaker 3: we are a multicultural society, but there are people who
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Speaker 3: have come here with open arms, some who hate us,
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Speaker 3: some who have no interest in assimilating, and some who
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Speaker 3: hate our values. From openly celebrating the October seven massacre
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Speaker 3: to the scenes we saw outside the steps of the
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Speaker 3: Sydney Opera House, the multiculturalism experiment has recently been failing us.
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Speaker 3: Anti Semitism is toxic, yet it's been allowed to play
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Speaker 3: out in our society for far too long, and so
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Speaker 3: I applaud this judge for taking a stand today for
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Speaker 3: what is right, because it is not just about Jewish Australians.
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Speaker 3: It's about protecting our Australian values from incompatible views. And
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Speaker 3: I will catch up with Peter Wertheim from the Executive
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Speaker 3: Council of Australian Jury on that verdict shortly. Sh Well,
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Speaker 3: Chris Bowen has always been ten steps behind the eight
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Speaker 3: ball when it comes to shoring up Australia's energy future.
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Speaker 3: After three years of demonizing gas and dismissing the need
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Speaker 3: for the energy resource in favor of the renewables only fantasy, well,
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Speaker 3: it seems he's had some sort of an epiphany, a
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Speaker 3: light bulb moment.
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Speaker 7: Well, we have no shortage of gas in total, one
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Speaker 7: of the world's largest exporters, guess. But I think Australians
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Speaker 7: are entitled to say, well, obviously, the policy settings need
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Speaker 7: to be in place so that Australian consumers, whether they
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Speaker 7: be heavy industry aluminium, steel, cement or the five million
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Speaker 7: Australians who use gas to heat their homes, primarily in
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Speaker 7: Victoria but spread across the country, have access to that gas.
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Speaker 3: Really you think Chris Bowen now likes gas, would you
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Speaker 3: believe and admits we need more of it. I mean
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Speaker 3: talk about a dog chasing its tail over and over
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Speaker 3: and over again. Now Labour has announced it's considering a
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Speaker 3: gas reservation reserve for the East Coast, Bowen has launched
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Speaker 3: what he claims is a comprehensive review of gas market
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Speaker 3: regulations in a bid to shore up long term energy
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Speaker 3: security and affordability. He's even gone as far as to
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Speaker 3: call LLNG the ultimate backstop in our energy grid. So
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Speaker 3: while out spooking yet another battery today, Chris Bowen said,
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Speaker 3: what we've all known for a long time.
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Speaker 7: Our objective is to have Australian gas for Australian users
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Speaker 7: at reasonable prices, and we haven't been seeing enough of that.
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Speaker 7: So we are looking at all the options. Minister King
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Speaker 7: and I who are jointly conducting the review.
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Speaker 3: Hello, the Australian Energy Market Regulator has long been warning
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Speaker 3: that the East Coast could run out of gas by
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. And that is despite us being the
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Speaker 3: second biggest exporter on LNG and at the moment we
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Speaker 3: export about eighty percent of what we produce here. We
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Speaker 3: need to bring down prices and shore up supplies. And
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Speaker 3: it's only now that Chris Bowen has had a light
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Speaker 3: bulb moment and wants to hold old a six month
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Speaker 3: review into how we can utilize the resource that we're
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Speaker 3: literally jumping on in this country now. A gas reservation
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Speaker 3: scheme was of course a key policy of the Coalition
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Speaker 3: at the election to force gas producers to keep more
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Speaker 3: gas on shore for domestic use, which Labor at the
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Speaker 3: time dismissed as a joke.
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Speaker 8: There are really three problems will be very brief, but
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Speaker 8: there are three big problems with this gas reservation which
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Speaker 8: is a reheated microwave Morrison policy. They've taken a Morrison
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Speaker 8: policy and reheated in the microwave.
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Speaker 7: That's problem number one.
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Speaker 2: Does it open up a discussion for bigger reform such
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Speaker 2: as raising the GST indexing tax brackets or even the
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Speaker 2: coalition's gas reserve policy on the East Coast, Well, I
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Speaker 2: think firstly the coalition's policy was a joke. We took
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Speaker 2: to the Australian people a set of propositions. That's what
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Speaker 2: we will seek to carry out. We're not about to
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Speaker 2: change things because of the number of Labor MPs that
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Speaker 2: were elected.
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Speaker 3: Well, hardly a joke. We are running out of gas.
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Speaker 3: Labour's obsession with its renewables only fantasy is plunging us
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Speaker 3: into this oblivion. Twelve months ago, Labor was warned that
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Speaker 3: generation from large scale renewables has exacerbated the gas supply
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Speaker 3: crisis due to the extreme lows and renewable generation, particularly
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Speaker 3: wind yields, meaning gas powered generation has picked up a
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Speaker 3: significantly larger load to keep the lights on. And of
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Speaker 3: course the more we rely on renewables, the more we
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Speaker 3: need gas generation to firm up these supplies. As of course,
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Speaker 3: coal is being pushed out in favor of wind and solar,
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Speaker 3: and in the cold Chili winter g we could really
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Speaker 3: do with some of that big, bad fuel being driven out,
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Speaker 3: couldn't we. Now Bowen claims that new rules to come
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Speaker 3: out of his six month review will not impact on
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Speaker 3: export contracts. LERG giants have already signed with overseas customers,
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Speaker 3: so this East Coast scheme will only apply to new
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Speaker 3: gas projects, but the Coalition is questioning the impact that
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Speaker 3: that'll even have.
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Speaker 9: The problem is under this government's watch, after three years,
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Speaker 9: has been very few new gas projects. They've put in
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Speaker 9: the most draconian restrictions on gas sales that we've ever
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Speaker 9: seen something worthy of a South American country that lets
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Speaker 9: the government set their price even their quantity they produce.
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Speaker 9: It's incredibly restrictive and therefore not surprising. We haven't seen
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Speaker 9: large amounts of gas investment.
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Speaker 3: And so Labour's clearly had a stunning change in attitude
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Speaker 3: on gas following the approval of Woodside's Northwest shelf extension
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Speaker 3: in Wa in May, despite having dug its heels in
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Speaker 3: now this, of course, I mean while the Victorian government
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Speaker 3: is bizarrely seeking to approve plans to build a liquefied
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Speaker 3: natural gas import terminal in Geelong, I mean we're literally
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Speaker 3: sitting on gas. Victoria has massive onshore gas reserves. To
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Speaker 3: even consider importing gas into the state beggars belief. That
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Speaker 3: Anurrabride gas project in New South Wales has faced all
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Speaker 3: sorts of challenges, and this announcement by Labor is another
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Speaker 3: sign in my view that it knows its risky renewables
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Speaker 3: only experiment is a disaster. We are going broke and
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Speaker 3: backwards under the fantasy and at the same time paying
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Speaker 3: higher prices for gas while our supplies are exported, so
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Speaker 3: flavor is indeed developing an East coast gas reservation. Well, look,
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Speaker 3: it is a step in the right direction, but it
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Speaker 3: doesn't help us in this long cold winter where the
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Speaker 3: gas is churning but the wind farms are only sometimes
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Speaker 3: turning sh Now, we will get stuck into the politics
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Speaker 3: of the day shortly, but first to this significant weather
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Speaker 3: event on the New South Wales east coast, which has
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Speaker 3: sparked flash flooding warnings with up to two hundred millimeters
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Speaker 3: of rain predicted. Heavy rainfall has been forecast across the
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Speaker 3: Mid North Coast, the Hunter, Sydney, Illawarra and the Upper
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Speaker 3: South Coast. Joining me from Woollongong is Sydney reporter Crystal Wu. Crystal,
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Speaker 3: thanks for joining me. How bad can we expect this
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Speaker 3: to get? Good?
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Speaker 10: Evening, Denika. Well, this low pressure system is expected to
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Speaker 10: remain active until at least Thursday, so that means heavy rainfall,
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Speaker 10: damaging wind gusts all throughout tonight and into the morning
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Speaker 10: as well. But residents have had time to prepare already.
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Speaker 10: The New South Wales Sees sent an alert last night.
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Speaker 11: They've had time to clean out their.
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Speaker 10: Gutters ensure their cars aren't parked under trees, as damaging
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Speaker 10: winds could break some tree branches. They've also been given
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Speaker 10: sand bagging spots all throughout the Wollongong SLGA, so residents
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Speaker 10: have been able to fill up their own sand bags.
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Speaker 10: This is particularly important for residents living near the coast
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Speaker 10: here south of Sydney. Like Ian Marshall, who we spoke
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Speaker 10: to a short time ago.
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Speaker 12: I'm always concerned when we get high tides and also
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Speaker 12: we also have another problem is that there's an old
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Speaker 12: tree in the creek that fell over during previous floods
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Speaker 12: and it's and it's becoming a hazard.
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Speaker 10: So far, we've seen between fifty to one hundred and
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Speaker 10: fifty millimeters of rain. Particular isolated areas across the state
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Speaker 10: could see in excess of two hundred millimeters of rain
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Speaker 10: and strong when gusts up to one hundred and twenty
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Speaker 10: five kilometers an hour as well.
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Speaker 11: We saw in Sydney in.
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Speaker 10: The Northern Beaches a fallen tree branch damaged power line,
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Speaker 10: so four hundred and fifty homes are out of power tonight.
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Speaker 10: We don't know how long it will take for them
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Speaker 10: to restore their power back, but this weather system is
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Speaker 10: expected to continue right throughout the night. As I mentioned,
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Speaker 10: until Thursday, so residents have been told to stay at home,
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Speaker 10: avoid driving through floodwaters and do not travel if necessary.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, good advice. I think a few days ahead Crystal
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Speaker 3: will appreciate that update. Thank you.
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Speaker 12: Well.
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Speaker 3: Let's return now to Energy Minister Chris Bowen's epiphany. After
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Speaker 3: years of demonizing gas, he's now opened to review into
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Speaker 3: the nation's gas sector and he's considering an East Coast
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Speaker 3: gas reserve. Joining me out to discuss this and more
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Speaker 3: is Liberal MP Garth Hamilton, who joins me from tow
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Speaker 3: Woomer in Queensland. Garth, nice to see you again. Thank
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Speaker 3: you for joining me. Is this a sign that Labor
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Speaker 3: knows that this renewables only experiment won't actually shore up
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Speaker 3: our energy future.
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Speaker 13: Look, I don't know if they're quite there yet. I
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Speaker 13: don't know if they quite understand.
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Speaker 14: That their renewables only approach is the cause of the problems.
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Speaker 14: If this policy was a good policy when we put
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Speaker 14: on the table, it was laughed at by Labor.
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Speaker 13: I think there's a point.
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Speaker 14: Here about bipartisanship in Australia only goes one way. Now
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Speaker 14: when we put a policy forward, Labor market call it
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Speaker 14: a joke. Within what two months that they're turning that
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Speaker 14: around and.
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Speaker 13: They're going to adopt that policy themselves.
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Speaker 14: I think the bigger point here that we can all
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Speaker 14: see is Labor went to the last election with absolutely
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Speaker 14: no mandate.
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Speaker 13: They thought no mandate, They had no plans how to
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Speaker 13: address this.
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Speaker 14: We haven't even had a single sitting day of this
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Speaker 14: next term of parliament and there were ready adopting policies
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Speaker 14: that they actively campaigned against in the last election. They're
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Speaker 14: all over the place. This is going to be a
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Speaker 14: world ride in Australians are going to lose out.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's already been a wild ride when it
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Speaker 3: comes to our energy future. You don't know what's going
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Speaker 3: to happen between winter and summer. We know we can't
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Speaker 3: keep the lights on one time, and yeah, it is
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Speaker 3: a wild ride. I think you're spot on. Now. Look,
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Speaker 3: let's talk about Anthony Albanesi yet to secure a face
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Speaker 3: to face meeting with Trump after of course he missed
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Speaker 3: that opportunity at the G seven. But it's really getting
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Speaker 3: more and more awkward Garth because he's now banking on
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Speaker 3: a series of upcoming summits for a meeting, not that
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Speaker 3: he seems confident at all. Have a listen, do.
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Speaker 2: You expect Penny Wong to get you a meeting with Trump?
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Speaker 3: While she's at the Quad?
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Speaker 15: Wong's meeting is with foreign ministers. I expect her to
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Speaker 15: have a meeting with her co foreign ministers.
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Speaker 16: The President was actually elected last November. You've had plenty
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Speaker 16: of time before our own election to actually visit him.
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Speaker 16: Are you now looking at this and thinking it was
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Speaker 16: a mistake to leave it this late?
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Speaker 11: No, a little bit embarrassing. Hasn't that pretty simple question?
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Speaker 2: When are you going to meet the Donald?
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Speaker 3: Look?
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Speaker 15: Where we'll meet when we meet in coming months. But
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Speaker 15: my priority has been on delivering for Australians.
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Speaker 3: Garthie's suggested he might get another crack at the Quad
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Speaker 3: meeting in India. If that fails, there's a G twenty
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Speaker 3: and Apex summits, but they're both not till later this year,
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Speaker 3: so he's hoping that summit's season will give him a
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Speaker 3: go with Trump.
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Speaker 14: Look, it's a little bit funny and it's a bit
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Speaker 14: easy to pick on mister Albin easy for this one.
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Speaker 14: Let's be really clear. The date that they do meet
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Speaker 14: will be decided by mister Trump. Not by mister alban EASi.
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Speaker 14: Mister Trump knows exactly what he's doing, and Australia is
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Speaker 14: losing out. The longer this plays out, the longer that
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Speaker 14: this goes on, what we're seeing is other countries are
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Speaker 14: getting in.
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Speaker 13: Negotiating with the US.
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Speaker 14: Those negotiations are resulting in outcomes that are favorable to
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Speaker 14: those countries. That's happening now we're being left behind, and
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Speaker 14: it's a real good start. Contrast to remember back to
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Speaker 14: Bob Hawk when he was a Prime minister, there was
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Speaker 14: a lot of anti US sentiment on his front bench.
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Speaker 13: Labor at the time was very anti.
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Speaker 14: The US, and yet Bob Hawk knew that he had
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Speaker 14: to keep that relationship. So that shows a labor leader
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Speaker 14: who at least identified that the US are our most
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Speaker 14: important ally. We've now got mister Alberzi, who can't get
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Speaker 14: a meeting his trade Minister Don Farrell only lasts over
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Speaker 14: about two years ago now said that the US wasn't
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Speaker 14: even our closest ally, not even our most important ally.
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Speaker 14: So you know, I guess you couple that with the
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Speaker 14: comments of Kevin Rudd, with the comments that mister Alberanzi
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Speaker 14: had previously about mister Trump. It's no surprise when the
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Speaker 14: mess we're in, it's not going to be resolved that
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Speaker 14: at Australia's choosing.
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Speaker 13: This will happen when mister Trump wants it to happen.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and we know that Trump takes things very personally,
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Speaker 3: so he hasn't forgotten I'm sure about those comments. Almost
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Speaker 3: out of time, but very quickly defense spending. There are
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Speaker 3: now fears of seven billion dollar missile order, which is
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Speaker 3: still subject to final approval from the White House, could
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Speaker 3: be put at risk by Labour's refusal to budge on
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Speaker 3: this issue. How concerned should we be that we might
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Speaker 3: miss out on these crucial missiles.
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Speaker 14: The giveaway right now is whether we're in a good
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Speaker 14: space or a bad space. The Chinese are telling us
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Speaker 14: not to increase our defense spending and we're siding with them.
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Speaker 14: The US are telling us that we should increase our
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Speaker 14: defense spending and we're ignoring that.
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Speaker 13: So, looking at.
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Speaker 14: Where we sit at the moment, we're making the Chinese
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Speaker 14: very very happy. And I think that's a problem for Australia,
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Speaker 14: given as everyone talks about increase geopolitical tensions in our area.
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Speaker 14: But we're siding with the guys who aren't our allies
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Speaker 14: at this point in time.
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Speaker 13: I think that's going to be a bad outcome for Australia.
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Speaker 3: I completely agree, it's a worry moving forward. Garth Hamilton,
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Speaker 3: good to see you, appreciate your time, Thank you for
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Speaker 3: joining me. Well, let's return now to that significant verdict
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Speaker 3: in the Federal Court which found Islamic preacher with some
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Speaker 3: hadad made fundamentally racist and anti Semitic remarks in a
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Speaker 3: series of sermons following the October seven attacks. He was
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Speaker 3: taken to court in a civil case by the Executive
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Speaker 3: Council of Australian Jury after he labeled Jews as vile,
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Speaker 3: treacherous and the descendants of pigs and monkeys. He was
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Speaker 3: Justice Angus Stewart.
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Speaker 5: I have found that the series of lectures titled the
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Speaker 5: Jews of al Medina conveys disparaging imputations about Jewish people,
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Speaker 5: and that in all the circumstances were reasonably likely to offend, insults,
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Speaker 5: humiliate and intimidate Jews in Australia, and that the imputations
20:35
Speaker 5: were conveyed because of the race or ethnic origin of
20:39
Speaker 5: that group.
20:40
Speaker 3: Johnny now is Executive Council of Australian jury co CEO
20:44
Speaker 3: Peter were time, Peter, appreciate your time. A win in
20:47
Speaker 3: court for you today. Have Jewish Australians been vindicated?
20:52
Speaker 17: Judging by the avalanche of congratulatory messages that we've been
20:56
Speaker 17: receiving from all over Australia, including from Jewish and on
20:59
Speaker 17: Ji people, I'd say the answer is yes, we're certainly
21:03
Speaker 17: feeling that way.
21:04
Speaker 3: Well. As I mentioned earlier, I mean it was a
21:06
Speaker 3: win against anti Semitism, now with some Hadad had argued
21:10
Speaker 3: that all he was doing was quoting from sacred books
21:13
Speaker 3: as he interpreted them. But we now have a judge
21:16
Speaker 3: who in effect has made the age old racist tropes
21:19
Speaker 3: about Jews unlawful. What does that say?
21:23
Speaker 18: Well, I'd like to say a couple of things about that.
21:25
Speaker 17: Firstly, all of the expert evidence in the case, including
21:30
Speaker 17: from mister Haddud's own expert on Islam, was that Islam
21:34
Speaker 17: does not justify the wholesale vilification of the Jewish people,
21:39
Speaker 17: so it's wrong to characterize those sort of sentiments as
21:44
Speaker 17: being Islamic. According to all the expert evidence in the case,
21:47
Speaker 17: including from mister Haddud's own expert, that's not the case.
21:51
Speaker 17: The second thing I'd like to say, is that even
21:55
Speaker 17: if that were not the case. I mean, we have
21:58
Speaker 17: something like one hundred different faith community he's living in
22:00
Speaker 17: Australia today according to the last census, and on rare
22:05
Speaker 17: occasions some of their practices might come into conflict with
22:09
Speaker 17: Australian law.
22:09
Speaker 13: I'll give you an example.
22:12
Speaker 17: Entering into polygamous marriages in Australia is a criminal offense,
22:17
Speaker 17: even though the practice is sanctioned by some religions. I'm
22:20
Speaker 17: not singling out any particular religion here, I'm just making
22:23
Speaker 17: a general statement. Now, when a religious practice conflicts with
22:26
Speaker 17: Australian law, of course the latter prevails. And one of
22:31
Speaker 17: the reasons that the rule of law still stands strong
22:35
Speaker 17: in Australia, and I would say even stronger after today's judgment,
22:40
Speaker 17: is that the same rules have to apply to every body.
22:43
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, look, I think that's a fair call. And
22:45
Speaker 3: I've got to say, this was a significant civil case
22:48
Speaker 3: for you to take on because you are effectively having
22:50
Speaker 3: to argue against extremist preaching. Why was it so important
22:55
Speaker 3: for you to pursue this and really what does it
22:57
Speaker 3: mean for future cases?
22:59
Speaker 4: Now?
23:00
Speaker 17: Well, I think it was important for us to do
23:02
Speaker 17: this for a range of reasons, but a line in
23:06
Speaker 17: the sand had to be drawn. I mean, we were
23:09
Speaker 17: seeing in the wake of the October seventh terrorist attacks
23:13
Speaker 17: in Israel an upsurge of anti Semitism or in different
23:18
Speaker 17: parts of the world, including in Australia, and including from
23:22
Speaker 17: some sectors of Australian society that hold themselves out as
23:28
Speaker 17: champions of human rights. Well, you know, it seemed that
23:32
Speaker 17: it was championing human rights for everybody except the Jewish community.
23:38
Speaker 17: And so we felt that as there was no action
23:41
Speaker 17: being taken by any of the authorities in terms of
23:45
Speaker 17: prosecutions and some of our leading bastions of society, universities,
23:54
Speaker 17: our arts and culture sector, and various other parts of
23:59
Speaker 17: society that we rely on as paragons of our values,
24:05
Speaker 17: it failed in this regard and that let us down
24:08
Speaker 17: that we had to do something. I mean, otherwise we're
24:13
Speaker 17: sending a message that people can attack our community with impunity,
24:18
Speaker 17: and you know that's something that we're prepared to tolerate.
24:23
Speaker 3: No, the absolutely fair point. Look good on you. I
24:25
Speaker 3: think it was a very significant verdict today. As I
24:28
Speaker 3: mentioned earlier on in my editorial, Peter Workhime It's been
24:32
Speaker 3: nice to chat with you. Thank you so much for
24:33
Speaker 3: coming on the show this evening. Really appreciate it. We're
24:36
Speaker 3: coming up after the break. The State Premier, who is
24:38
Speaker 3: second only to the Prime Minister when it comes to salary,
24:41
Speaker 3: gets a pay rise. Plus Paul Keating hits out at
24:44
Speaker 3: labour's plans to tax unrealized gains. That's next. Welcome back
24:52
Speaker 3: to the show. Joining me is the Daily Telegraphs Tim Blair. Tim,
24:56
Speaker 3: good to see, thanks for joding me. Let's get stuck
24:58
Speaker 3: into a couple of issues today. Firstly, the Victorian Premier,
25:02
Speaker 3: Justinta Allen has now become the second highest paid politician
25:06
Speaker 3: in the country to the Prime Minister. Actually as part
25:09
Speaker 3: of a three percent pay rise for the state MP,
25:12
Speaker 3: so she'll now be paid five hundred and twelve nine
25:16
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy two dollars trailing to the Prime Minister
25:19
Speaker 3: who's on six hundred and twenty thousand. Look when I
25:22
Speaker 3: read this, Tim, I thought, gee, Victoria is already in
25:24
Speaker 3: a world of debt under the state labor government and
25:27
Speaker 3: now taxpayers have to fork out more for Jacinta Allen.
25:32
Speaker 18: That's right the neck. It's incredible. People saying you know,
25:36
Speaker 18: where's the incentive to do better? You know, where's the
25:39
Speaker 18: incentive to try and balance the books if you're going
25:42
Speaker 18: to get such a great reward for failing. Well, what
25:44
Speaker 18: that misses is, of course, that that is the incentive.
25:47
Speaker 18: The incentive is to fail. This is like mel Brooks's
25:51
Speaker 18: Producers the movie where they attempted to go bankrupt in
25:54
Speaker 18: an attempt to get a bigger winfall A. It's a
25:57
Speaker 18: great financial model if you're the one receiving the money.
26:00
Speaker 18: If you're Victorians, not such a great model. This is
26:04
Speaker 18: this is obsisne this Maybe we should have, i know, Denika,
26:08
Speaker 18: maybe some sort of league table thing where if you
26:11
Speaker 18: fail at state or federal government level, you get dropped
26:13
Speaker 18: back to council or you get just dropped back altogether
26:17
Speaker 18: to you know, the primary school leagues, and you're going
26:19
Speaker 18: to fight it out in some sort of class president thing.
26:21
Speaker 18: Because seriously, when we're paying this much money to losers,
26:26
Speaker 18: it's both the federal and state level, especially the state level,
26:29
Speaker 18: it's time to reading the whole system.
26:31
Speaker 3: Yeah. I like that idea of a tally system, although
26:33
Speaker 3: I had to laugh when the Victorian Independent Remuneration Tributal
26:37
Speaker 3: said it was particularly mindful of the current financial position
26:41
Speaker 3: of the state of Victoria in its decision. I mean, really,
26:45
Speaker 3: was it that mindful? For goodness sake? Now, yeah, I
26:48
Speaker 3: kind of.
26:48
Speaker 18: I really do like that, Danika, because it though, you know,
26:51
Speaker 18: we've got to give them a bit more money because
26:53
Speaker 18: times are tough in Victoria. Who made the times tough?
26:57
Speaker 18: Who is responsible?
26:58
Speaker 3: Yeah? Who?
26:59
Speaker 17: I mean?
26:59
Speaker 3: Whom?
27:01
Speaker 17: No?
27:01
Speaker 3: Who locked up the state for however long in the
27:03
Speaker 3: longest lockdown in the world's history. So there you go.
27:07
Speaker 3: Now this one also, I was a bit baffled by
27:10
Speaker 3: meat and livestock Australia has decided to scrap its net
27:13
Speaker 3: zero target by twenty three following a revolt from farmers.
27:17
Speaker 3: But instead they're looking to align with the twenty fifty target.
27:20
Speaker 3: But tim, this is an industry that's been demonized by
27:23
Speaker 3: net zero and climate zealots. I mean, how many times
27:25
Speaker 3: have we been told not to eat rent meat to
27:27
Speaker 3: save the planet. I'm surprised that it's even still looking
27:30
Speaker 3: to keep a target. What do you think?
27:33
Speaker 18: So many people who through so many generations, so many
27:37
Speaker 18: industries that have been so clever, have been led by
27:40
Speaker 18: intelligent people who are capable of balancing risk and reward
27:44
Speaker 18: capable looking at big pictures. So many people got snowed
27:48
Speaker 18: by the climate alarmism and climate panic and the need
27:52
Speaker 18: to legislate, to do something and to make a stand
27:55
Speaker 18: for the climate. This is where it ends up. It
27:59
Speaker 18: ends up with people like not to use too much
28:02
Speaker 18: of an agricultural metaphor, but slitting their own throats here
28:05
Speaker 18: and then they gradually realized, oh my god, this is
28:09
Speaker 18: actually serious. This could actually damage our whole industry, This
28:12
Speaker 18: could put people out of business. Did they not know
28:14
Speaker 18: that that's the whole aim of it when they signed
28:16
Speaker 18: up with this stuff, When they showed support for the
28:19
Speaker 18: ideas and groups and people that were going to undermine them. Really,
28:23
Speaker 18: it makes you wonder just the sort of people who
28:25
Speaker 18: are in charge of these sort of groups and how
28:27
Speaker 18: long they've been they've been maybe questioning themselves. Only now
28:31
Speaker 18: they're going public to necka.
28:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, a good point. I mean, what do they expect
28:35
Speaker 3: when they signed up your spot on? Now? Look, I've
28:38
Speaker 3: got to ask you about Chris Bowen's stunning turnaround on gas.
28:42
Speaker 3: I mean, he's now launched a review into the industry.
28:45
Speaker 3: We've known for years that we've been running out of gas.
28:48
Speaker 3: Despite the fact that we are sitting on an abundance
28:51
Speaker 3: of this resource. Why is labor only starting to panic? Now?
28:56
Speaker 18: This is just this is poetry. As long as you
28:58
Speaker 18: don't you know, you've got enough money to pay your
29:01
Speaker 18: gas bill, which is increasingly fewer people. But it's poetic
29:06
Speaker 18: in the sense that the problems that have all been caused,
29:09
Speaker 18: the problems that have led to our high energy prices,
29:11
Speaker 18: have all been caused by politics. I haven't been caused
29:14
Speaker 18: by our natural situation, which is, as you pointed out,
29:17
Speaker 18: energy abundant. We've got gas, we've got oil, we've got coal,
29:19
Speaker 18: we've got uranium, We've got so much stuff that energy
29:22
Speaker 18: should be basically free in Australia. The reason that energy
29:26
Speaker 18: is so ridiculously expensive is because of politics. And here
29:30
Speaker 18: we have this gentleman, mister Moen. His proposal to fix
29:33
Speaker 18: the situation, fix the situation caused by too much politics
29:37
Speaker 18: is to add more politics.
29:40
Speaker 3: Seriously, Yeah, another a six month review that he's going
29:43
Speaker 3: to be in charge of. So goodness me knows what's
29:46
Speaker 3: going to come out of that. Tim Blair, nice to
29:48
Speaker 3: see you, Thanks so much for joining me on the
29:50
Speaker 3: show this evening. We'll see you soon. Well, former Prime
29:53
Speaker 3: Minister Paul Keating has taken aim at Labour's unrealized super
29:57
Speaker 3: gains tax, which will apply to super funds with balance.
30:00
Speaker 3: There's over three million dollars, warning it will impact thousands
30:03
Speaker 3: more people than first expected. Who would have thought. Mister
30:06
Speaker 3: Keating has claimed young Ossie's entering the workforce now are
30:09
Speaker 3: guaranteed to have three million in super by the time
30:13
Speaker 3: they retire. But the Prime Minister fumbled around when pressed
30:16
Speaker 3: on this today. All right, well we don't have that,
30:20
Speaker 3: but let's bring in unsw economics professor Ggi Foster now
30:24
Speaker 3: for more on gg thank you for joining me. It's
30:26
Speaker 3: Paul Kating right here.
30:27
Speaker 19: Do you think, Yeah, well, I definitely don't agree with
30:31
Speaker 19: the gains tax, but I actually, as a Yankee, I've
30:34
Speaker 19: always thought that superannuation in Australia is kind of the
30:37
Speaker 19: classic Australian wart, which is that you pay somebody off
30:41
Speaker 19: to not complain that they're getting a bad deal. So
30:44
Speaker 19: in this case we have the superannuation guarantee going up
30:48
Speaker 19: to twelve percents. As we know, when Paul Keating was
30:50
Speaker 19: I think also saying in that quote that he was
30:52
Speaker 19: happy it finally got there because when he first initiated
30:56
Speaker 19: it back in the nineties, that was the idea. That
30:58
Speaker 19: was what he was hoping for. A twelve percent guarantee.
31:00
Speaker 19: Now that means you're going to be a rich old person.
31:02
Speaker 19: So that's the carot, that's the reward, that's the payoff.
31:06
Speaker 19: But what is the not getting a good deal part? Well,
31:08
Speaker 19: the fact that a lot of it's going to get
31:09
Speaker 19: taxed away, and of course that a lot of the
31:11
Speaker 19: money managers of these super funds are getting incredibly rich
31:14
Speaker 19: off of your savings that you can't touch unless the
31:18
Speaker 19: government decides to be a super nice person for a
31:20
Speaker 19: little while like they did once in COVID, until you're
31:23
Speaker 19: sixty or sixty five or whatever the preservation age is.
31:25
Speaker 19: So to my mind, we should just have a very
31:28
Speaker 19: different retirement savings scheme. We should have definitely tax preferred
31:33
Speaker 19: savings for retirement, but put a lot more autonomy and
31:35
Speaker 19: decision making power into the hands of the individual worker
31:38
Speaker 19: to use his or her money the way that he
31:41
Speaker 19: or she sees fit throughout his or her working life.
31:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really good point. I mean, surely there
31:45
Speaker 3: are better ways to address super that does not include
31:48
Speaker 3: these unrealized gains. I completely get it now. Of course,
31:52
Speaker 3: it's the start of a new financial year today, Gigi,
31:55
Speaker 3: which means that fees are going up. This includes a
31:58
Speaker 3: three point five percent increase to them minimum wage, which
32:01
Speaker 3: is now I'm sitting at twenty four dollars ninety five
32:03
Speaker 3: per hour, and as you can imagine, labor was out
32:06
Speaker 3: there sparking this today. But Jang, let's not forget how
32:09
Speaker 3: prices are going up today, as well as a number
32:12
Speaker 3: of other phase and charges. It's not getting any easier
32:15
Speaker 3: for every day as ease, is it.
32:17
Speaker 1: No, it's not, and I mean we are.
32:19
Speaker 19: You could say that maybe this wage increases a slight
32:22
Speaker 19: improvement over the latest inflation figures, which I think we're
32:25
Speaker 19: two point one percent the last monthly figure, which of
32:27
Speaker 19: course itself is.
32:28
Speaker 1: A bit unreliable.
32:29
Speaker 19: It's usually the quarterly figures that we tend to rely
32:32
Speaker 19: on more. But the reality is that, as you say,
32:34
Speaker 19: there are other costs going up in this change of
32:37
Speaker 19: change of guard when we go to one financial year
32:39
Speaker 19: to the next.
32:40
Speaker 1: I do support some of.
32:41
Speaker 19: The changes that are being implemented, such as the increase
32:44
Speaker 19: in parental leave, although I think that that is not
32:47
Speaker 19: the only way we could support working families and help
32:49
Speaker 19: with the cost of raising children. But you know this meeting,
32:53
Speaker 19: you know, I suppose the meaning of an increase to
32:56
Speaker 19: minimum wage workers is not zero, but not fantastic been
33:00
Speaker 19: the inflationary environment that we're in now. In fact, we
33:03
Speaker 19: are running a special discussion about the cost of living
33:06
Speaker 19: pressures that Australians are facing next week here in Sydney,
33:09
Speaker 19: so if people are listening to the show would like
33:11
Speaker 19: to have a look. It's called a Big Dialogue Australia's
33:14
Speaker 19: Cost of Living Problem. It's happening at the Sydney Masonics
33:16
Speaker 19: Center on Monday evening next week. So a very very
33:19
Speaker 19: exciting line up including Adam Creighton and myself as MC,
33:24
Speaker 19: and Cameron Murray, who I think you guys have had
33:26
Speaker 19: on as a commentator, Alison Preston and our w US
33:31
Speaker 19: Chancellor Jennifer Westercott.
33:32
Speaker 1: So a very exciting evening.
33:34
Speaker 19: We're very much looking forward to getting into some of
33:35
Speaker 19: these issues and where the cost of living crisis came from,
33:38
Speaker 19: as well as.
33:38
Speaker 1: What we can do about it policy wise.
33:40
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think it's going to be fantastic,
33:42
Speaker 3: a really good event because you know this cost of
33:45
Speaker 3: living crisis. GG. It's been going on for years now
33:48
Speaker 3: and realistically nothing has changed and nothing seems to be changing.
33:51
Speaker 3: So it'd be great to have people like you involved
33:53
Speaker 3: in a really important discussion on it. G. G. Foster,
33:56
Speaker 3: nice to see you. Thanks so much for joining me
33:58
Speaker 3: on the show this evening. Really appreciate or Coming up
34:01
Speaker 3: after the break, the Trump administration pushes for its Big
34:04
Speaker 3: Beautiful Bill to be passed before July four, plus Elon
34:08
Speaker 3: Musk threatens to start an alternative political party if it
34:12
Speaker 3: gets through. Welcome back to the show. While the United
34:19
Speaker 3: States Senate has begun voting on a series of amendments
34:22
Speaker 3: for President Trump's so called Big Beautiful Bill, but it
34:27
Speaker 3: remains to be seen whether it will be passed before
34:30
Speaker 3: Trump's July four deadline. Here was the White House Press
34:33
Speaker 3: secretary earlier.
34:35
Speaker 20: It's also incredibly important that we passed this one, big
34:38
Speaker 20: beautiful bill, which is the largest tax cuts in American history,
34:43
Speaker 20: and that's why the White House and the President himself
34:46
Speaker 20: have been in touch with La Meekers all week and
34:48
Speaker 20: long to get this bill passed.
34:51
Speaker 3: Joining me now to discuss this and more. As Sky
34:54
Speaker 3: News contributor Kristen take Kristin. Good to catch up again.
34:57
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining me. Look, d days, it's
35:01
Speaker 3: only a few days away. What's the likelihood of this
35:03
Speaker 3: actually getting through and what sort of an impact would have?
35:07
Speaker 21: Yeah, Well, the Senate spent the entire day nearly trudging
35:10
Speaker 21: through hours long vota thons hoping to advance this bill
35:15
Speaker 21: a President Trump's desk by July fourth.
35:18
Speaker 1: I suspect it will pass. The big Beautiful Bill, as
35:21
Speaker 1: Trump likes to call.
35:22
Speaker 21: It, has two features that are very common in these
35:27
Speaker 21: must pass bills that Congress does these days. The first
35:31
Speaker 21: is that Congress has an overwhelming political imperative to pass
35:34
Speaker 21: this thing, because if this doesn't get passed, this Congress
35:38
Speaker 21: and the administration will have accomplished nothing legislatively, so they
35:42
Speaker 21: must pass it. But the second is that once it passes,
35:44
Speaker 21: there's something for everybody to complain about.
35:47
Speaker 1: Some will complain about the lack of spending cuts.
35:50
Speaker 21: Or you know, the lack of hiring freezes, or you know,
35:53
Speaker 21: the non cuts to entitlement.
35:55
Speaker 1: So there's something for every Republican to complain about.
35:57
Speaker 21: So essentially, the Republicans will likely together so that they
36:00
Speaker 21: can once again start infighting. But I would argue, there's
36:04
Speaker 21: also obviously a lot to like about this bill that
36:06
Speaker 21: extends the twenty seventeen tax cuts, it increases funding for
36:10
Speaker 21: border security. So yes, I do suspect it will get
36:13
Speaker 21: passed eventually.
36:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, all eyes will be on July four. Be
36:16
Speaker 3: interesting to see how it goes. But it's interesting now
36:19
Speaker 3: because the romance between Elon Musk and Donald Trump is
36:23
Speaker 3: well and truly over. And Musk has been very critical,
36:26
Speaker 3: of course, of this bill, but is now even threatening
36:29
Speaker 3: to launch his own political party if it passes. In
36:33
Speaker 3: a post on X, he said, if this insane spending
36:36
Speaker 3: bill passes, the America Party will be formed the next day.
36:39
Speaker 3: Our country needs an alternative to the Democrat Republican UNI
36:43
Speaker 3: party so that people actually have a voice. Kristin, I mean,
36:46
Speaker 3: the feud shows no side of ending, but a new
36:49
Speaker 3: political party, and what is Musk doing.
36:53
Speaker 1: It's a little bit crazy. I will say he does
36:55
Speaker 1: have some good points about this bill. I mean it
36:57
Speaker 1: adds a further two point four trillion dollars our debt.
37:00
Speaker 1: America is already thirty seven trillion dollars in debt.
37:03
Speaker 21: This is not sustainable this level of spending, and there
37:06
Speaker 21: are very.
37:07
Speaker 1: Few people in Washington, d C. Who seem to.
37:09
Speaker 21: Have an appetite for spending cuts, which are country so desperate,
37:13
Speaker 21: so desperately needs.
37:14
Speaker 1: But yes, third parties in.
37:16
Speaker 21: America are typically doomed for failure starting a third party.
37:20
Speaker 21: If Musk did it, it would also automatically alienate all
37:24
Speaker 21: of Trump's supporters, who would see that as sort.
37:27
Speaker 1: Of hostile to Trump.
37:28
Speaker 21: And of course Elon Musk isn't going to get any
37:30
Speaker 21: support from leftists. Democrats in this country can't stand him.
37:34
Speaker 21: So Musk would be better off trying to sort of
37:37
Speaker 21: shape and influence the Republican Party from the outside.
37:42
Speaker 1: You know, he's not in the.
37:43
Speaker 21: Administration anymore, but he's still a wildly popular and very
37:46
Speaker 21: influential figure, and he should try to influence the Republican Party.
37:50
Speaker 21: I actually wrote for Sky News recently about.
37:54
Speaker 1: The fact that Elon Musk and.
37:55
Speaker 21: Donald Trump must bury the hatchet and move on for
37:58
Speaker 21: the good of the Republican Party. Both of these men
38:01
Speaker 21: have skills and treats that are very different from each other,
38:04
Speaker 21: but very important to this political movement.
38:06
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, it's a very very fair point. And look,
38:09
Speaker 3: while all this is going on, our Prime Minister Anthony
38:12
Speaker 3: Alberanezi is still yet to secure a face to face
38:15
Speaker 3: meeting with the President, and he was asked this morning
38:17
Speaker 3: when he expects to have a meeting with Trump.
38:19
Speaker 2: This is what he said, When do you expect to
38:22
Speaker 2: sit down with Donald Trump?
38:26
Speaker 15: Oh, when we have a meeting, We'll have a meeting,
38:29
Speaker 15: and when it's scheduled that will occur. We'll see each
38:33
Speaker 15: other a lot in the last months of the year.
38:37
Speaker 15: That's when summit season occurs. Whether Australia and the United
38:42
Speaker 15: States are both members, of course of the G twenty
38:45
Speaker 15: at the Quad of Apex.
38:48
Speaker 3: And look how Foreign Minister Pennywong is currently in Washington
38:51
Speaker 3: and is trying to direct her counterpartn Marco Rubio to
38:54
Speaker 3: lock in a meeting. But Chris and I spoke about
38:56
Speaker 3: this earlier. I just think it is laughable that our
38:58
Speaker 3: Prime minister is so far behind in his relationship with
39:01
Speaker 3: Trump that he's now banking on a series of upcoming
39:04
Speaker 3: summits in the hope for a meeting. What does it
39:06
Speaker 3: say about how Donald Trump views the Australian leader. Do
39:09
Speaker 3: you think we're on the back foot?
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Speaker 21: You know, I think Donald Trump, like all Americans, values
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Speaker 21: the United States great relationship with Australia.
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Speaker 1: But there's been a lot going on right now.
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Speaker 21: The President's been very busy, of course with what was
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Speaker 21: going on in Iran and now passing this big, beautiful bill.
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Speaker 21: But secondly, it doesn't help your Prime minister that he
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Speaker 21: has made some very unflattering comments about Donald Trump in
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Speaker 21: the past.
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Speaker 1: As silly as it may seem, these.
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Speaker 21: Are the kinds of things that President Trump takes very
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Speaker 21: seriously when people say unkind or unflattering things about him.
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Speaker 1: He does tend to hold grudges.
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Speaker 21: So I do think this meeting will happen eventually, but
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Speaker 21: for a few reasons, it's just been pushed off.
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Speaker 1: For a bit.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, not surprising. Between our Prime minister and our ambassador
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Speaker 3: over there, Kevin Rudd, they've absolutely made a mockery of
39:57
Speaker 3: this whole relationship, so I agree uns prizing. Kristen Tate,
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Speaker 3: nice to see you again, Thanks very much for joining
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Speaker 3: me on the show.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Danica.
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Speaker 3: After the breaker staffing crisis forces student teachers to run
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Speaker 3: classrooms in one state and shocking revelations that the Defense
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Speaker 3: Minister has been left in the dark on the true
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Speaker 3: state of our defense capabilities, that's next welcome back. Let's
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Speaker 3: bring in the panel now the Herald's sons, Susie O'Brien
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Speaker 3: and Radio two CC host Stephen Senne tempore, heart of
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Speaker 3: both of you. Good to see you. Let's start with
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Speaker 3: defense reporting, because an audit has revealed that military chiefs
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Speaker 3: actually failed to formally brief the Defense Minister, Richard Miles,
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Speaker 3: on the readiness of the Army, Air Force and Navy
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Speaker 3: to be deployed on missions for nearly two and a
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Speaker 3: half years. Stephen, I thought this was extraordinary because look,
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Speaker 3: we've been warned for years. Firstly that we're not ready
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Speaker 3: for the event of war. The US of course wants
40:57
Speaker 3: us to muscle up now on defense spending, which is
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Speaker 3: for on labour's deaf ears, and now the minister actually
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Speaker 3: has no idea what's going on. What does it say
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Speaker 3: about the state of defense.
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Speaker 22: Well, it says two things. It says that we need
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Speaker 22: to clean out of the top brass because they're not
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Speaker 22: reporting back to their boss what's actually going on, and
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Speaker 22: there's a failure there. But it also means that Richard
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Speaker 22: Marles is a failed defense minister. I mean, he should
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Speaker 22: be on top of this thing. He should be demanding
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Speaker 22: reports from our top brass keeping me up to date.
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Speaker 18: On what's happening now.
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Speaker 22: Obviously there is a bent from this government not to
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Speaker 22: invest in defense. They actually want our defense forces to
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Speaker 22: run down. That's been pretty clear. And it's extraordinary that
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Speaker 22: when the US says, hey, we need you to lift
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Speaker 22: your game, they say, we're not going to be told
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Speaker 22: what to do by you. But then when China says, hey,
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Speaker 22: you better not lift your game, well there's no rebuke
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Speaker 22: from them either. But the breakdown of communication here is
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Speaker 22: absolutely frightening and it just lays out what most analysts
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Speaker 22: have been saying, and that is our senior defense personnel
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Speaker 22: have been dropping the ball for years and our minister
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Speaker 22: hasn't been doing anything about it.
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Speaker 3: No, exactly. And also, let's not forget there is a
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Speaker 3: recruitment crisis. They cannot recruit people to to the military,
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Speaker 3: so there's big problems. And Susie, if they can't even
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Speaker 3: get the basics right, I mean, if Richard Miles can't
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Speaker 3: communicate with military chiefs, what does that tell us?
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Speaker 23: Well, was there ever a more important time for this
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Speaker 23: relationship to be working properly? I mean, honestly, Albo has
42:19
Speaker 23: come out.
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Speaker 11: And said, you know this is ridiculous. This is rubbish.
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Speaker 23: You know, there's been a lot of briefings and they've
42:24
Speaker 23: all been you know, in conversation and I think, you know,
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Speaker 23: really that's absolutely not good enough at a time when
42:31
Speaker 23: Australia has been called to lift their defense spending. You know,
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Speaker 23: one point nine percent, we're only low, only low within
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Speaker 23: US are like Montenegro in Spain.
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Speaker 11: I mean, it's kind of embarrassing.
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Speaker 23: So there's a lot of really major decisions to be
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Speaker 23: made on the world stage, but also here in Australia,
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Speaker 23: and we really need these relationships to be working better
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Speaker 23: than they are.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right. I mean, of course the US are
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Speaker 3: angry and one point nine to two percent is a
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Speaker 3: real failure. You see a spot on now. I thought
42:59
Speaker 3: this one was quite interesting because the Stratfield Council in
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Speaker 3: Sydney's in a West is declaring war on real estate
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Speaker 3: signs following a surgeon complaints about visual pollution. I didn't
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Speaker 3: know that was a thing on nature strips and roundabouts.
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Speaker 3: The mayor said, quote, it's one thing to put a
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Speaker 3: sign outside a house, but it's another thing to put
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Speaker 3: signs every five meters on a stretch of road. I mean,
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Speaker 3: for goodness sake, Stephen, you know the council is now
43:23
Speaker 3: considering banning the signs on public land. Is this fair
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Speaker 3: or not?
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Speaker 22: Look, this is ridiculous and I've had a bit to
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Speaker 22: do with Strathfield Council over the years. I mean, it
43:32
Speaker 22: shouldn't exist. That's only got something like eighteen to twenty
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Speaker 22: thousand residents. It doesn't justify having its own council. And
43:38
Speaker 22: they didn't want to merge because apparently the name on
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Speaker 22: your bins matters in Strathfield as to who's going to
43:43
Speaker 22: pick your rubbish up. I mean, this bloke needs to
43:44
Speaker 22: focus on the important stuff like roads, rates and rubbish
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Speaker 22: and not worry about this concept of visual pollution. I mean,
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Speaker 22: you know the number of real estate agents in Strathfield.
43:53
Speaker 22: They'd be up in arms. They'd launch a counter protest
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Speaker 22: of some or even a coup of the council. I
43:59
Speaker 22: think if they tried to do that. But if people
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Speaker 22: are trying to sell their house, they're trying to sell
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Speaker 22: their house. It's not going to last forever, particularly in
44:04
Speaker 22: the current market.
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Speaker 3: No exactly, And you're right, I'm so sick to death
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Speaker 3: of these councils just butting into everyday issues. You're right,
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Speaker 3: go back to the simple basics, roads, rates and rubbish.
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a problem across the country at the moment.
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Speaker 3: It is so infuriating. Now, look Susie, I want to
44:19
Speaker 3: ask you about your column in The Herald's son on
44:21
Speaker 3: how student teachers are running VCE classes due to staffing shortages.
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Speaker 11: This is extraordinary.
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Speaker 3: How did it get to this?
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Speaker 23: Well, you know, the inmates are running the asylum.
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Speaker 11: Particularly in schools.
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Speaker 23: We've got people who are just a few years older
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Speaker 23: than the kids they're teaching.
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Speaker 11: So the teaching crisis is so bad.
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Speaker 23: In Victorian schools they've had to bring in seventeen hundred
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Speaker 23: graduates they haven't even finished their teaching degrees and they
44:48
Speaker 23: are teaching every level in Victorian schools including VCE, So
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Speaker 23: seventeen hundred that's five hundred more than last year. They're
44:58
Speaker 23: not even graduates, they're teaching students. And you'd have to
45:02
Speaker 23: wonder one in third teachers at the moment who are
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Speaker 23: registered to teach do not want to be in classrooms,
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Speaker 23: and so these youngsters are being sent in to fill
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Speaker 23: the gaps and it's just appalling, and the state of
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Speaker 23: schools at the moment, the level of violence, the level
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Speaker 23: of bullying, the workload pressures.
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Speaker 11: Why would you be a teacher?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but also I mean the standards across the board.
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Speaker 3: It's reflecting in classrooms. We know that the standards of
45:28
Speaker 3: maths and English is down across the country. And you know,
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Speaker 3: he is more proof as to why so many different
45:34
Speaker 3: factors to it. Now. Look, the Victorian opposition has avowed
45:37
Speaker 3: it will scrap just into Allen's planned state Voice to
45:41
Speaker 3: Parliament if it wins the next election. Stephen Hallelujiah. You
45:45
Speaker 3: know we've sixty percent of us said no to this division.
45:49
Speaker 3: Yet the Victorian government couldn't help itself, could they. They
45:52
Speaker 3: just wanted to continue on with a Voice to Parliament.
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Speaker 22: What they need to do is pick up the phone
45:59
Speaker 22: of the Act. But we've had an effectively a Voice
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Speaker 22: to Parliament for years since ATSIK was abolished under the
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Speaker 22: Howard government, and we have the worst outcomes for Indigenous
46:08
Speaker 22: Australians of any jurisdiction in the country. So for a start,
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Speaker 22: let's do it from a practical perspective. It's not actually
46:14
Speaker 22: going to do anything for Indigenous Australians and the people
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Speaker 22: it's supposed to help. But again it comes back to democracy.
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Speaker 22: I mean the entire nation apart from the a SE.
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Speaker 22: So he voted against this thing and the Victorian government
46:24
Speaker 22: thinks it's a good idea to bring it in. We'll
46:26
Speaker 22: good on the opposition for doing the right thing here.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, good on Brad Batton has certainly been doing well,
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Speaker 3: so fingers crossed that last. But Susie, you know who
46:33
Speaker 3: gave just interall And a mandate to go ahead.
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Speaker 23: With this, She certainly didn't have a mandate for this.
46:40
Speaker 23: And it's very interesting that the opposition have come out
46:43
Speaker 23: so strongly against it, and we're going to see more
46:45
Speaker 23: and more of them picking these kind of issues where
46:48
Speaker 23: they can draw a clear line between the struggling government
46:51
Speaker 23: and hopefully the opposition that is on the ascendancy.
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Speaker 11: Just Allen is saying that her.
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Speaker 23: Voice treaty, which is leading towards a treaty, is not
47:03
Speaker 23: so much like the Commonwealth one, but is more about
47:06
Speaker 23: common sense than changing the constitution.
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Speaker 11: But you know, I think a lot of people are
47:10
Speaker 11: very suspicious about exactly what she's.
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Speaker 23: Trying to do here, and I think this is a
47:14
Speaker 23: winner for the coalition.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think there's much common sense in it
47:18
Speaker 3: whatsoever personally. Now, look, the europ Justice Commission's final reports
47:23
Speaker 3: on the impact of colonization on Indigenous Victorians have been
47:26
Speaker 3: tabled in Parliament. This is all part of the state's
47:28
Speaker 3: truth telling process. But apparently things were so divided behind
47:31
Speaker 3: the scenes that three of the five commissioners considered writing
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Speaker 3: a dissenting report. Stephen, and yet they want a voice
47:38
Speaker 3: to Parliament.
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Speaker 22: You know, well, we live at what do we? They say?
47:43
Speaker 22: We live in a post truth world, don't we. Once
47:46
Speaker 22: upon a fine truth was about actuality. Now we have
47:49
Speaker 22: this concept of your truth, my truth, their truth. Everybody
47:51
Speaker 22: has a different truth. If this is an evidence as
47:54
Speaker 22: to why this voice to Parliament shouldn't go ahead. If this,
47:57
Speaker 22: if five member committee can't get their act together, what
47:59
Speaker 22: hope is a bigger body gout. But it's just extraordinary
48:02
Speaker 22: that you've got five commissioners, three are dissenting, but the
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Speaker 22: report's still going to be handed down anyway. How does
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Speaker 22: that work?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Really good question. We're We're almost our time, Susie.
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Speaker 3: Your thoughts really quickly?
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Speaker 11: Yeah.
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Speaker 23: I think it was fascinating that we had to learn
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Speaker 23: about this from the media and not from the actual report.
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Speaker 23: Apparently there was one line in the report that even
48:20
Speaker 23: suggested that there were dissenting views.
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Speaker 11: Apparently it's over their.
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Speaker 23: Definition of history and some views about what's facts and
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Speaker 23: what's fiction. But we shouldn't really have to read about
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Speaker 23: this in the media.
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Speaker 3: No, definitely not. But again it just comes down to
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Speaker 3: they want to rush this voice through and nobody can
48:37
Speaker 3: agree on anything, and that's just the start of things
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Speaker 3: to come. Steven senatiempos Susie O'Brien, thanks so much, majority
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Speaker 3: of me this evening. That's all we've got time for tonight.
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Speaker 3: Up next to is Kredline with Steve Price. Good Night,