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We Rank 16 Sports By How Drunk The Fans Get · Total Barnage

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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Super Saturday is happening tomorrow.
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  SPEAKER_02: Six Nations finale, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: It could be Ireland, it could be Scotland, it could be France, and it it's an exciting one.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I don't want to discuss just purely rugby this podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: I wanna say a statement.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna put put something down.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I I think when sports turn professional, it gives fans the reason to become alcoholic.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: What's your what's what comes to mind?
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  SPEAKER_00: What sport Well, when sports turn professional, it gives a reason for the fans to become alcoholics.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they become more there's more fans, there's there's a bigger spectacle, there's bigger events, there's more money in it, and everyone just it becomes more of a drinking event rather than people going and appreciating the sport for what it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um we can test that hypothesis over the next however many minutes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: So what what do you what do you mean by that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can have a conversation and then we can work out if that's true or not.
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  SPEAKER_02: I thought you meant let's make up a sport right now and turn it turn it professional within this podcast and see if we all start drinking or not.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that would be a good thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: That would be that would be a really great idea until I have to drive home.
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  SPEAKER_00: Then I'm like, uh bit silly, wouldn't it?
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  SPEAKER_02: So look, I've got I've got this sheet, Charlie.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's got props today.
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  SPEAKER_02: And well, okay, I I guess due to my my my hypothesis of the more money in a sport that the heavier people drink, okay, that this this sheet somewhat agrees with it.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's there's some but this is this is a list of the sports where it percentage-wise, um what percentage of the crowd will be drinking whilst watching the sport?
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so do you want to have a guess at what's towards the 16 sports on this list.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, right.
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  SPEAKER_02: So what we have right at the bottom is traditional martial arts, okay, and this is like judo judo, karate, taekwondo, muay thai, um, and jujitsu.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh do you want to have a guess on what percentage of spectators will be drinking whilst watching this?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean I can't I can imagine it seems like quite frowned upon to bring a crate to a you know judo competition.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um people might sneak it in, but I don't I don't think you you can't have that many people in the crowd that are going to be drinking during judo.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's gotta be I mean less than five percent in my mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like if any, right?
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_00: You can't stop someone bringing bringing something in a hip flask or whatever.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so it's it's it's three percent.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_02: That's good, nice, right?
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so it's it's very low.
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  SPEAKER_02: I imagine no one really drinks, and then there's just some places I don't know, doing taekwondo in Asia, there's one place where everyone just goes gets pissed up, and that has a spasah and chang.
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  SPEAKER_02: But um, no, it's it kind of makes sense, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like you're not gonna go and get pissed up as a judo competition.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, so then that kind of next on the list is is gymnastics, which is another sport, like but why why aren't people getting drunk and going to taekwondo and and and karate and gymnastics?
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  SPEAKER_02: What what what is making that sport opposed to it?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like what well gym gymnastics, if you look at the demographic for gymnastics, like when I was when I was in in the US out in college there, gymnastics is massive.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like the the girls that do college gymnastics are like celebrities, and it the the attraction of and gymnastics you start very young as well, right?
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: So you will have most of the people that will go to watch it, there'll be kids that are like anywhere from like three years old to ten years old.
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  SPEAKER_02: For the most part, it probably lends itself to the reason why they're not drinking loads, but then they could just sell quarter pints to them, so no little mini pints, yeah, yeah, little mini, little mini pints.
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe, you maybe, but then also might be tapping into a new market there, Charlie.
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  SPEAKER_00: You could be, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe not a legal market.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_00: But I I look around, like if I go to the gymnastics um at Clemson and the the stadium's packed out.
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  SPEAKER_00: They use they actually use the it's called the Little John Stadium, um, which is the basketball stadium as well for the gymnastics, so they they set it all up.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um was there drinking culture at the uni when people watching gymnastics though?
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_00: Uh not there.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, uh it's different now, but the at Clemson it was uh dry stadiums anyway.
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  SPEAKER_00: So even the American football was no drinking, which is very, very unusual for college-level football.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that made it very, very different.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you've got 90,000 people in the stadium and no one's drinking.
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  SPEAKER_00: Was it as rowdy?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, people would then you've got then a whole culture of tailgating for American football.
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  SPEAKER_02: So they're all drinking out in a car park and getting pissed up before they go into the stadium.
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  SPEAKER_00: But surely before and then during and after.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, so that you can go in and out of the stadium.
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  SPEAKER_02: I see, because they have a quarters, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: They got quarters.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: But then also, so imagine this.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is kind of the day, this is the way that uh a day of American football will go in at college level.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's say on a Saturday, Clemson as a town is pretty much their high street, is the size, I think it's like the third of a third of the size of Tunbridge High Street.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_00: Tiny.
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  SPEAKER_00: The town, if I were to run around all of it, is about three or four miles.
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  SPEAKER_00: So like super, super small.
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  SPEAKER_00: The college population, I think, is up to about 30k.
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  SPEAKER_00: And what's the population of the town?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, there's no one that really lives there in the town itself.
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  SPEAKER_00: They'll live in like it's kind of in the middle of nowhere, but neighboring towns and kind of villages and stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so it's like 30,000 students on game day, because the stadium holds like 92,000, which is a huge stadium, and it's a valley, so there's only two sides to the stadium.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's literally just two massive wings, and then like a little hill that people will sit on, and then they've got where our canteen area is on the other side, like barely any seats.
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  SPEAKER_00: So 90,000 people can get into the stadium, maybe even more, maybe even up to 100k because they don't have actual seats, it's just like benches.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you can you can just like slam people slam people in, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Um and then outside of the stadium, it is just the whole of the town is filled with orange tents like gazebos.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you have a plot for your tailgating, which for those that don't know tailgating, it's pretty much like tailgating is a word, it's like when you kind of go up the arse of someone ahead of you in a car and you go really close, and you've got like certain trucks, their boots then open out, and they'll basically then drink out the back of their own vans or chuck a TV on there or something.
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  SPEAKER_00: I see.
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  SPEAKER_00: So basically they park up with their their trucks, um, get a gazebo set up, and every single, pretty much every part of the whole town is covered by just people either watching the game from their gazebo and their truck, um, or having like a full-on like spread.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: This is like full-on barbecue, pulled pork, everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um coolers, beers, seltzers, light beers, all that sort of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Massive spectacle.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: So for the for the the fact that it's a dry stadium, you go into Clemson and you can come in and out however many times you want.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_02: So there's not much security, like kind of do you have to show your ticket each time you go in and out?
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_00: Or yeah, you just you just have they hand you a ticket on your first time leaving, uh-huh and then you just show it when you come back in.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, easy.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um so it's very easy to walk in and out during the game.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and the and the stadium, if you think about how the gates are very close to the stadium.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not like you're gonna, it's not like kind of Twickenham where you're gonna take 15 minutes to get down that bloody spiral thing down to the bottom.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um you can just hop in and out.
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  SPEAKER_00: And actually, what's more than that, I we had there was a girl on our track and field team, her dad had two tailgating spots, one which was a bit further out, like into the town, and then one which was literally right by the stadium.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he they would go first a couple hours before out into the one in the town, set up, drink, probably watch some of the other games that are on, like proper TV setups, right?
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_00: Generators, like it is lit, you could literally live there, like it is it's nuts, it's nuts, and then at half time or quarter or whatever, when they're in this they'll go and watch it in the stadium, they then just come out to their close spot, and then they can decide if they want to go back into the stadium.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um what an awesome experience.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I've I've never never had anything quite like that when I've watched sport because it's always been kind of football, rugby within the UK, cricket, where it's everything's locked in the stadium.
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  SPEAKER_02: It sounds like a it's like a whole event is set up.
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  SPEAKER_02: But if there was drinking in the stadium, would there be that same culture?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yes, because a lot of people, because the tickets sometimes they're really hard to get, um, because it's so so popular.
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  SPEAKER_00: Even if it's not even if it's a college like university game, 90,000 people in the stadium, it's still hard to get tickets.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like we got super lucky because we're student athletes.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you got probably what, 90,000 in the stadium.
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  SPEAKER_02: How many other people do you have outside who don't have tickets are just there for the the whole culture of the environment of of the game?
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  SPEAKER_00: I would say an extra maybe 30k.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: I would say the this the whole town gets shut off, right, for the whole day.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like even if we had training in the morning, that would get cancelled because you just can't get down to the track.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I reckon there's probably about 120,000 people in that town on that day.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_02: Jeez, what a what a cool experience, eh?
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And and and you know what?
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_02: I'll I'll I'll kind of give it away because this is this is that's gotta be high up, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so so American football is is ranked third highest drinking, so it's 72% of the spectators will be will be drinking whilst watching the game, which is this is high, you know.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's pretty much as many people as would drink a drinking at the event, right?
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's like pretty much maxed out.
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  unknown: Yeah.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_02: But you you also think about the amount of revenue that stadium's missing out on.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_02: If they were selling beers there, if you've got 90,000 people, 70% of them are drinking, and it's like 65,000 people all wanting a beer, you you do the maths, you save you.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: Well that that's why they've done it now.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: When I after I left, it must have been a reason I was there.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: Now it's no longer a dry stadium, they're allowing people to drink.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: So as you say, when people when sports turn professional, we turn into alcoholics.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So well, anyway, look, let's keep working our way up this list.
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  SPEAKER_02: So next we have swimming.
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  SPEAKER_02: 11%.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_02: But that that number confuses me.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's really quite high.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_02: Because I don't think you you what swimming event?
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the biggest swimming events are probably in the US and the Olympics, right?
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_02: Because over here it's you might have a national swimming comp, but it's mostly relatives and close friends going along to watch.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a more of a wholesome experience.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_02: Who's getting pissed up watching swimming?
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's not, it's not.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_02: Is it well, I guess if you're really into swimming, it can be exciting.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: But uh I just can't imagine it's a really nice place to drink.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's really stuffy, yeah, it's stuffy.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_00: And it's I don't know.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_00: I think there's probably something about like you're wearing those silly little blue casings over your shoes and having a drink.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: Then how about that?
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and they to be honest, you're probably not allowed to drink a lot of them in case you spill your beers and it goes in the pool.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the athletes start getting drunk when they're swimming because there's so much beer, it's like 90% beer in the water by that point.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: Just start drinking the water.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: You yeah, you piss in a pint cup because you can't go to the toilet and then you throw it into the water.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's some of their swimming cap.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_02: That would be that's definitely happened at a university one year.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe a university with like in the UK where they've got a swimming team, they've done somehow done well, and everyone's gone along to support it, got pissed up, and they're chucking beer cans into the it's such a it's such an Exeter thing to do.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: If you go to Exeter and there's swimming competition on, you're getting hammered.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_02: That's probably that's what's probably bringing up that that percentage, but other than that, I you know, other than university stuff, I can't imagine anyone's drinking that.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_02: Well, well, next on the list at 13 out of 16, we've got yours, your your your speciality, Charlie, is athletics, track and field.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I thought it was fencing.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_02: Well, did you ever fence?
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, I actually didn't.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_00: I played badminton though.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_02: I think fencing, no one's drinking there.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's a complete dry event.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like dangerous.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_02: Who who's drinking at a fencing event?
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: There are sharp objects flying about.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_02: Uh do you know what?
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_02: Why isn't fighting with a long sword in a suit of armour more popular than fencing?
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_02: Because that's more entertaining.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like, right.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_02: I would get fucking hammered.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_02: I keep seeing it in France.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_02: They're doing like jousting, right?
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_02: They're bringing jousting.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's so good.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: The video's so good.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_02: Uh imagine going there and it's and they set it all up so it's like medieval, and you're drinking pints or like steins out of like wooden cups.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_02: I think how cool would that be?
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_02: You just go down there, get absolutely hammered, watch some jousting, watch some like men in full suits of armour having a go at each other.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like that, that's a peak sport.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's gonna become more and more popular over the years.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: As with athletics, you need to put an investment into that then.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: You need to push.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_02: Athletics, I just don't think you're gonna get pissed and watch, you know, it's have you ever gone to an athletics event and and got pissed up?
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: Well, this is the main debate, and actually, it was one of the um really common things when Sam, my brother, had uh his podcast, Critcast Pod, yeah, which I think he stopped paying for his Buzz Sprout subscription, so you can't actually go and see any of the episodes anymore.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: But a lot of the stuff he'd ask all of these athletes, it was like an athletics podcast, big, big names, right?
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: Those that have gone on to you know world stage and that sort of stuff, and he he'd always ask that how to make the sport better.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: And there are two things, and to be honest, it's probably preempting a lot of the things on this list.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: One is introducing drinking, yeah.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I know that my I know that my mum and stepdad would be about untold percentages more likely to come to an event of mine if there was stuff going on in and around it.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: Because realistically, you need the the event outside of it.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like I say, with the American football, you it's it's all about the tailgating.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: You obviously do enjoy the sport.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: There are some people that are really into the sport.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: The high percentage of people that are watching that sport are pretty much just there for a piss-up.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they're there for a piss-up, they're there for the tailgating, going with their mates.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, uh, probably most of the girls that go to the NFL games and not so well, American football games, are probably not so interested in that.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_02: They're there for the piss-up, the barbecue, being with their mates for a day out.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_02: Like some probably some of them, don't get me wrong, will be interested in it, but a higher percentage of the men will be interested in the sport.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um But yeah, for the for the um the athletics, I think it's obviously dependent.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like I've yeah, you've got I've got some some guy friends that don't don't care at all about the sport and are just there for a good time.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: And then I've got the flip side, I've you know, got especially some of my girlmates that enjoy watching the rugby, they're there to watch the rugby as well.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's just a bit of both.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: But no, running-wise, there's actually some of the great um great events in the UK put on by it might be there, might be like Podium 5K or there was a highgate night of the 10,000s.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: So all 10,000 meter um races on the track, so 25 laps around the track, and they'd have it, maybe I think they might have it at either Parliament Hill or at Battersea.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_00: And it's Highgate, so it'll probably be at Parliament Hill.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: Basically, you know, you can drink there, there'll be beer, vans, tents, you know, anything, and it's and you get people, and this is the best thing that the states do about all the running stuff, is they get people onto the track, so you can spectate from lane five outwards.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: So if there's an eight-lane track, you're on the track and you're so close to because it's not a sprint event, everyone's in lanes one and two.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: All right, brilliant.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: You're there having a few drinks.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: I had it at a 5k race in Battersea last May when I was watching a couple of my mates um compete, and it just makes the atmosphere is electric, you're so close to the action.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like, realistically, I don't know the reason why they're against putting, you know, alcohol, you know, like just vendors into the into the sport and into the events, because no one's running onto the track, right?
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: There's obviously there's a safe there'll be a safety risk when you increase like drinking.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: But those are the events that I would say to my I would say to my mates, this is actually worth going to see.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: If they don't enjoy the sport, like running, I don't I can't I don't really have a leg to stand on to try and convince them.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: I can't really like I'd try and convince them with an athlete's perspective or like a supporter's perspective.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: There's not much else.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_00: And then the other one was betting.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: Betting.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: That that makes a huge difference.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: Which is which is why I said probably so there's no betting in athletics at the moment?
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: Pretty much no.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: I mean they did it in the Olympics in Tokyo, 2020.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: I remember that.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but again, only a couple of betting apps, and it it's not it doesn't feel right because it's doesn't feel natural.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um because it's there's there's betting associated with loads of other sports.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: But with running, there's not it's really not much unless someone's pushing it.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_02: I guess also I I suppose when it comes to a track, it's massive and you can get a stadium around it, but when you go to watch it, so if you do have a big event, it's quite difficult when you're focusing on one individual.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_02: If it's a field event doing the dravelin and you're sat up in the you know, right up in the skies, like I I guess maybe more screens available so people can see what's going on better.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_02: I I'm not too sure, but at least with football, rugby, cricket, there's multiple players on the pitch, there's multiple things going on which you can can look at.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_02: But with athletics, maybe for the field events mostly, the running events, I think you can you can kind of do it, but yeah, I think it just needs to be probably marketed better.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: You when was the last time you saw, you know, on an Instagram ad on or TV ads like there's this massive of you know event coming up, the world championships, we're televising it, it's gonna be amazing.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: The Olympics basically went completely under the radar, I felt like a year and a half ago.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like oh the Paris Olympics is on.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's cool.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: It didn't have the same kind of feel, and I don't know if because there's not there's not like a mainstream media that's like pumping it.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: We kind of it gets lost in our all of our media channels.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um and then now I mean the only real big thing in the running space, there's there's not a link between people that are taking up running for the sake of it and to get you know healthier and to for the social aspect.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: There's not then that crossover to get into elite sport.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, everything you'll see about running online is about major marathons, like Tokyo Marathon, London Marathon, like big big events, like maybe a half marathon here or there.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: There's not anything about oh, there's uh at Watford, there's a there's an open meet where you'll see the best of the British athletes compete in the middle of the season.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: But the the marathon events get it right because you know, look at the London marathon, they got food vans, they got drinking going on, all the spectators are out, every you know, everyone gets out in London for it, and most of these the big marathons over the world.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, if you go to watch the best of the best, that you just don't get the same atmosphere.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I guess you can see the top marathon runners doing it, but most of those spectators there, let's be honest, they're not out to see the best of the best, they're there to see their mate, and they've got their team of you know, their their mum, their dad, and their good friends and their girlfriend or whatever it might be, their wife.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: Stupid little banners saying, run because Hinge told you to.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, I just don't but you know, drinking culture in in athletics is is not big, and actually on par with that, um, athletics, is is like powerlifting and strongman um and CrossFit events, and it just kind of gets me thinking, is it is it more so individuals, like teams, there's like a whole culture because it kind of goes back to like you we have the superstar Usain Bolt, and then in kind of CrossFit you've got like someone like Matt Fraser and then World Strongest Man, you've got Hathor Bjonsson and Sean uh Brian Shaw and Eddie Hall.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_02: You get these anomalies where they become super popular, but they you know they have maybe five years at the top, ten years at if they're lucky, and then they go, and there's that there's that fan base for that one individual, then it goes.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_02: But what I've noticed with this list of of things is it's it's it's really the team sports because there's that culture can run on for years and years of you kind of have the highs and lows and you can support this team, which builds a bigger fan base.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, with CrossFit, powerlifting, strongman, athletics.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: It's individual.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_02: Like you could have like, for instance, think how many people stopped watching the 100 meters since Usen Bolt stopped.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: And it's what do you have to kind of say on that?
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: You're so right.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: You've you've hit the nail on the head.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it is I actually did it as part of my masters when I was out in Clemson.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: I did a whole uh kind of research paper on individual sports versus team sports and identification, um, fan identification.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: And that that is literally, you know, it comes down to that.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: It is number one, is if you have a team sport, you will most likely then attract more people because it is a bigger, it's a bigger like revenue generating kind of source.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um but you don't have that identity, like the relatability with the the individual, you know, unless it is a brand.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like Cristiano Ronaldo has a brand.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like you will have Ronaldo fans that wherever he will go, if he moves clubs, if he goes from Real Madrid to United to Juventus, people are gonna follow him all around Europe.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and you do have big players that have built a brand which is pretty much like they are their own team in that kind of size.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, you don't, you know, yeah, there's there's maybe a couple things.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's the f it's the team identification, which you need the social side of things.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: You you then have you know like discussions, more discussions and about different aspects of the team.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot more variables than just talking about one individual.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you talk about punditry for a football match versus like an athletics race, you know, there's so much more going on in in a football match, and there's so many different players you can pick out and that sort of stuff.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um what else would there be?
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: Individual versus team.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think it's also it's also what you play when you're when you're a kid, maybe.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like you grow up playing like team sports because it's so good for socialization.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um running has always been something which has for the most part been like a punishment.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: And people also as a kid like you latch onto it's a generational thing.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: So you you've got you don't have a five-year span with a with supporting like football or rugby because you know, if your your dad supports a team, your granddad supports a team, or your mum supports a team, or whatever, you're probably gonna go and support them and then pass it through the through the generations.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: So you have a much, much more of an attachment that's gonna get you there, and much more of a narrative like that's gonna kind of feed the return visits to go and follow that team, and I think then one more thing, which again, like could you could you bring some sort of team aspect which some some people are trying to do into athletics?
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, can you bring it into powerlifting?
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like, can you have a Nike powerlifting team?
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: Can you have Adidas powerlifting team underarmour because you get sponsors, right?
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: You'll have the all these people that they're being sponsored, and yeah, at a certain time when Nike were on top, uh and their shoes were the best, like even people that were running for Adidas and running for New Balance and Puma, and that's that would be cool, right?
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_02: You have an athletics meet where the sponsors have their own teams and it kind of adds a new element to it.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the athletes can still go run their own PBs and set world records wherever it might be, but then you have Team Nike, Team Adidas, and and then there's like this competitive nature between all these brands to kind of get the best athletes in.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_02: A bit a bit like F1, really.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that that because again, you've got individuals, and the F1 F1's gotta be up there, right?
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_02: Uh one we kind of glazed over on that powerlifting athletics is also bodybuilding, does fall into that kind of category too, and very much like you you get everyone kind of knows Ronnie Coleman and Arnold Arnold Schwarzenegger, like that, those are the biggest, and maybe people know Dorian Yates, etc.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_02: But those are the big names, other than that, people get a little bit lost.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, Formula One and golf are kind of similarly ranked on this list, and you know, 37% of spectators drink uh in golf, and 42% of spectators drink in F1.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_02: But the the benefit of F1 is is it's really yeah, it's it's the team stuff.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's you support Red Bull or you support McLaren or Ferrari or whatever it might be.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um maybe we're getting on something here, Charlie.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe we need to go to the Athletic Association of uh of Great Britain and say, look, we we've got an idea, we we've got a really good idea, we're gonna make your sport massive.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if you're listening to this podcast and you have a load of money and you work for Nike.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, no, mate, it's you're so right, and actually that's one of the things out in the US.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and this was the link, this is what was so obvious out there when I was going through the individual and the team identification was um how important identity is uh and how important being an authentic fan is as well.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of that is based on knowledge, and the more that you can trace back a team or something, the more knowledge you're gonna have about that.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you ask me a load of questions, like I'm a Liverpool fan, but I'm more a Liverpool supporter.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to Anfield this year for my birthday.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's the first time I've ever gone to see a Liverpool game.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: So why would you call yourself a supporter rather than a fan?
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_02: What's the difference?
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: Well for me, it's kind of one of those that I'll follow them, um, but I'm not a religious.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_02: You're not getting upset each season if they don't, you know.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you you asked me about the history, and I really, I really don't know.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: You try and quiz me on it.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_02: See, I was always a fan of London Wasps.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like, die hard, went to watch them at Premiership Finals, and so I'll win the Prem, lose Prem finals and whatnot.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and I used to get really upset kind of growing up as a kick, kind of seeing them doing well, seeing them not doing so well, uh, and then they folded.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_02: And and so since then I've not had any emotional attachment to any of the teams in the rugby premiership, and I've kind of just hung my boots up with it because I was so emotionally invested in some of the seasons, especially kind of from the age of like probably like 11 through to like 17.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_02: I was like really into it, and then I kind of thought, I don't want to rely my happiness on that.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_02: So, what I did is I took all of that and I put it into England's rugby team.
• 28:45
  unknown: Yeah.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's a great decision.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_02: But fortunately, there's less games, but then it makes each game that much bigger.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I'm pretty good at not getting too emotionally invested into it because I think that kind of the older you get, the more you realise is actually there's always a next year, there's always another World Cup, yeah, and it gets frustrating, but as long as you can kind of see you kind of just appreciate the moments of when they're playing good rugby.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_02: As when you're when you're a 13-14-year-old kid watching it and they they lose it, you know, the Grand Slam and uh and the Six Nation, you think that's the end of the world, like that's the only chance they're ever gonna have, but really they're gonna crack at it the next year, and it's that I think once you have a bigger look of it and of view it in the long run, it makes it easier.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's where the identity comes in.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like, if you've got a stronger identity kind of attached to a team, when they lose, you lose.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like when when they have a bad weekend, you have a bad weekend.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's not healthy.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, I know.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's not it makes it more exciting and more emotional.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_02: You get both, and I am that, and I will be pissed off for about two hours after watching England lose.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, but on the weekend, when I saw England lose to Italy, I thought this is fucking shit.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_02: This is really not good.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, losing three games on the bounce, we're probably gonna lose to France this weekend, and I was thinking what we never lost four games in the Six Nations.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: I don't I don't think in the past 20 years since it's been the Six Nations, and you're like, what is going wrong?
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_02: How we won 12 games and now looking like we're gonna lose four on the bounce and come fifth out of six teams actually crazy.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_02: Which mentality perhaps I'm not too sure.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um I mean the other teams, you know, other nations have stepped up seriously.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: I know, even Wales has like last weekend, like they they really put up a fight against Ireland, which was so impressive to see, and one of the best tries I've ever seen from a prop forward.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that was yeah, Reese Carey, what a legend.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_02: What a legend, just just absolutely decimating their defence.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: Cheeky sidestep, fend straight through the middle.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think he could believe it himself when he scored that try.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: No, I reckon he's just like, this is a dream.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like, wait, wake me up, wake me up.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_02: I I I was so I was so happy about Wales having that moment and actually putting up a good fight, and although they lost, they really part of them won because Ireland aren't a bad team.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_02: People shit talked them before the Six Nations.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_02: They've really they had one bad game and against France, and then they've really stepped up.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_02: And what Wales really challenged them there uh last weekend.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_02: It was a it was a cracking game, and and there was there were moments of brilliance, and it you can just sense that the Welsh are coming back to it again.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but anyway, I've cut gone on a tangent back to my point.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_02: I was upset having seen England lose.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but then I just thought, how fucking excited are those Italians gonna be?
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_02: First time ever in rugby history of beating England.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the city would have been buzzing that night, and just seeing when you see a team beat your own team, but it's like them winning a World Cup, you can feel upset, but then you can also just look at the amount of happiness they have got, and you're like, I've always liked Italy.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_02: I've I've loved seeing them coming up and getting better over the years, and yeah, I was kind of like, do you know what?
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_02: The day after I was like, I felt pretty good for the Italians.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, let them have it.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_02: We need to sort some stuff out ourselves, but um yeah, let the Italians have their day, and you know, that was one of their best days in Italian rugby, you know.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um and and you could see them doing it and building up to it in the in the games, like they games previous, they were underdogs, and the underdog story is always so good.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I mean they beat beat Scotland at the start of Six Nations, the first game now.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_02: Scotland looked like it might go on to win it, and it's like anyone can beat anyone.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, if England go and beat France this weekend, it's just gonna be the weirdest Six Nations ever.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_02: That would be very weird.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I I mean it'd be But uh the thing is I wouldn't put it past them.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_02: I uh mm they got the skill, they got the they got the game plan, they're just not executing it.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_02: There's something's going on with their mentality on the pitch.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think I don't think it's a skill issue, although there's been some clumsy drop balls and weird passes and missed tackles.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_02: But all the players are capable.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's such a psychological sport.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_02: I I mean I've I've spoken to you before about it, uh, how fear can creep in.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, one one minute you're dominating, they they run the ball hard at you a couple times, put a score against you, and mentally fucking hell.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no, we're gonna lose again.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_02: We can't we can't lose.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_02: Borthwick doesn't want the whole country doesn't want us.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_02: You get into this mentality, and you and you can see it happening on the pitch in real time, and these momentum shifts, and I think if anything, we we maybe need a better.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think there's a Borthwick, people like get them out, uh classic, but we just won 12 games on the bounce, and now they were like, no, they were we won those 12 games just by chance.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, no.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, right.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we lost four games just by chance then.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: Let them have it both ways.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_02: But maybe having like a a mindset coach coming in and just working with the players and getting them in the zone for the game a little bit better, or something like that.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_02: I I don't think there needs to be a whole structural change, especially with the World Cup in a year and a half.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um But Xavier, look, we're not talking about rugby because I could talk about rugby all bloody day.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_02: But I tell you what, eighth on the list, right?
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_02: Going back to the really important drinking statistics, okay.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um eighth on the list is that the only um single player actually, no, it's not.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's the second highest.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't think you well, you maybe guessed what's in position four, but this is boxing and UFC.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_02: It's merged into one.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_02: 55% of spectators will be drinking in these events.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um I think that's about right, you know.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: Gambling big, you know, drinking big, yeah.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, smaller events not so much, you know, at just your local comps.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe you you're not gonna see much drinking at all, but what at the big event, the bigger UFC events, big boxing events, I mean every everyone's on the piss, right?
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um depending on where it is in the world, if you, you know, I don't know what some of the rules on drinking if you're out in if it's out in the Middle East.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, compared to in America or something.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure exactly how it would change, but yeah, over half people is pretty decent whacking it.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_02: That's probably why it's a little bit lower, maybe, than I thought, because so many big events are out in the Middle East now.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_02: But I I don't really know the drinking laws over there.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_02: I know Dubai you can kind of drink.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_02: You you can drink on premises and whatnot.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it's also the alcohol tax there's so high.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: So it's you know, are people willing to?
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, well, to be fair, once you get into a stadium, you're gonna pay anything.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_02: If a beer's 20 quid, you will do it.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so then 107.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_02: Now we're getting into the the the proper sports.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, Jake and Joe.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_02: Uh cricket.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_02: Cricket.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_02: 65%.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_02: Now I think that's low for cricket.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_02: That's really low.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_02: Because you know, you go into a five-day test.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you know, well, which what is this this is all cricket.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_02: ODI.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_02: But I think all cricket, everyone's getting pissed.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_02: Everyone's getting the pints in at the cricket.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, uh do you know what?
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_02: I've I've just realized I've completely missed tennis, which is at 12 on the list.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_02: I I I've actually had a few beers before reading this list out.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yes.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_02: During your seven hours of coaching this morning, you what gets you through.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_02: So tennis was 26%, which I thought was maybe it's just Wimbledon.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: Wimble feels quite high.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_02: No, Wimbledon.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_02: When everyone's on the PIMS.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_02: But other tennis events, are there many people drinking?
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_00: I know I've never been.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: I've never really been to any tennis events, I don't think.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: Not even Wimbledon.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_02: Nor have I.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe I need no maybe we need to go to Wimbledon.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_02: But the waiting list to get tickets is.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'll be asked to go to Wimbledon.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_02: I I wanna I wanna get pissed, and if only 26% of people are pissed there.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they're probably it's probably 26% of people are bored of waiting.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: So they're like, oh fucking, what are we gonna do?
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_02: Oh drink.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_02: Right, fair enough.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_02: Charlie does not like tennis.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_02: So anyway, enough of tennis, it's kind of dull.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: Anything where you have to camp outside of a sports venue to get in.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_02: But cricket, I I can validate it.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, and and also like great culture, great drinking culture when you're there.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_02: Because especially you're going for a day test match, you're there all day, and you're like you're not only like a rugby gamer, you're there what hour before the game, the gay goes on for two hours, then you may be there for a bit.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_02: You've got three hours drinking, but then you're at the pub before and your pub after.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_02: So you've got a good maybe six hours.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_02: Cricket on the other hand, yeah.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you're you're cracking tins open at like eight in the morning, nine in the morning.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_02: You were you were getting up there and you're getting pissed all day long.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: I was at the MCG on Boxing Day, just gone for the for the ashes.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_00: And that was I mean, you get there, it's 10 a.m.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: You crack open a beer.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: We were I think we were sitting, it was actually kind of cold on the day, but the wickets started flying.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's just wickets, and my my brother had never seen a he's never watched test cricket before, and so he doesn't realise that normally it's very slow-paced and very boring, and no one's actually watching the game.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_00: But that's why everyone's getting pissed.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: You just get through the boredom of watching cricket.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: You only go to these games, and you probably see it higher up the list.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's like the more that people drink at these events, the less they're actually watching the sport, and it's just there for a social occasion.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, we had what what was it 20 wickets on the first day?
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: Both teams were all out, and then the second day we came back, Sam managed to get us free tickets because some American family were leaving at midday, yeah, and then we get straight back on it, and then you know, another 17 wickets or so fell, and then it was over in two days, but we only had tickets for like the two days.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, brilliant.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_02: So it was just a big old piss-up, yeah, but it really is.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, cricket, uh that's you know, it's an English sport, it's got to be high on the list.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_02: So at six, we've got well, actually, cricket draws with ice hockey.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I've okay, I've been to an ice hockey game actually.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_02: When when I I went on rugby tour over to Canada, and we we ended up we were billeting with most families, we would kind of stay with the players and the houses.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_02: There were some scenes there because some of the players' houses we were staying at were yeah, they weren't up to standard of what a a human should be sleeping in, like seriously dirty, sleeping on a like an upright seat, like a you know, yeah, you know, and sleeping on small sofa.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a seat.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_02: I we slept in an RV, which was actually quite good, but there were four of us in there.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_02: I had to share a double bed, and then my two mates were on share a double bed with my friend Callum, and then there was two in like these bunk beds.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_02: That was interesting.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_02: The guy was a bit weird.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_00: So you go top or bottom bunk if you choose.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, top.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_00: Top.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's got to be top.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_02: You so yeah, you you yeah, anyway.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_02: I think everyone goes top bunk, right?
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_02: Who goes bottom bunk?
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_02: The person that gets in last is.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_02: But the person that loses.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we stayed uh anyhow.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_02: We went to a really nice private school off Victoria and we stayed in their like dorms.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_02: And at the same time, they had the under 18s.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we were I was 18 at the time, right?
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was also under 18s.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_02: So so they had the under-18s Canadian ice hockey trials on there, the girls and the boys in, and we would go over uh to the school, they had our whole ice hockey rink at the school, it was pretty cool, and like a mini stadium.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_02: So we would go and watch that.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but of course, we we we weren't drinking there, but what I was what we were all thinking whilst we were sat there watching it, and it the boys especially getting quite aggressive.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, even the girls, they were going at it.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we were like, we need a beer, we need a beer because that is an aggressive sport.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of yeah, and I can completely see how it's so high on the list.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and it's just short of the most popular sport on the world, football.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_02: Football.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_02: Proper football.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_02: Proper football.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_02: Soccer.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, not soccer, football.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_02: And 70% of spectators will drink whilst watching football.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_00: See, that makes sense because 70% of your body is water, so that means 70% of the football population are drinking beer.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean classic English drunk football for supporters, hooligans, you know it.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I know it well.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_02: No, yeah, Charlie.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_02: I'm so close to it.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_02: But it's it's it is a sport where you got teams that have histories, long-term fan bases, uh, the highest paid athletes in the world.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's just it doesn't get much bigger than that, really, football.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I guess in the States you could probably have it with some of the sports they have over there, but football on a global stage, nothing quite compares to it.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's huge.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's just yeah, it like nothing to add.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_00: That is it's massive.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_02: So now the next one is a bit of an anomaly because we've had this this kind of sits halfway on the the the top seven.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_00: Where are you at the moment?
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_02: So we're at number four now.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_02: And it's horse racing.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna I was thinking like, you know.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_00: But is that a team sport?
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's the same you have trainers.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: You have trainers that will have lots of horses.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but are the horse and the bride are working together?
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_02: Oh the jockey.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_02: The jockey.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know anything about horse racing.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_00: Are they working together?
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: What do you mean?
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_02: Well, is it a team?
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_02: Is it just the jockey?
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's just a team.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I see what you mean.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you just literally mean is the jockey and the horse?
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like a team.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, let's say they are.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_02: Let's give them a team.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_02: Because why not?
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_02: You know, they're not just on their own, but uh would you class because you would you would class like a four by one hundred as a team sport, right?
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_02: What other team sports like you would you would say curling is a team.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_02: Now that's probably one that ranks very low on the drinking list.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't have that in here today.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was thinking I well, I'm wondering where Snooker is.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_02: Snooker, I I I I wish I I wish I had the resources.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_02: I've just got this piece of paper, but horse ratings seventy one percent.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: That's a lot of people getting pissed.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: That is it.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: That is that is going into that category.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I think we know gambling.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's gambling.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_02: People are gambling, people are out in the sun, and and you go like even people that don't gamble, they go to the horse races and they'll put a tenner on a horse.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's just the done thing.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: And they win a grand.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like you've Charles Charles Xavier, when was that?
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_02: Last year?
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_00: Well, hold on, let's not let's let's say that I've already spent the money, so you know, I'm not a millionaire.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um don't come for me.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, hey, I've just won the lottery.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_00: I get robbed on the way home.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_00: Someone finds out where I live.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um no, I got I mean, I I never really have luck at all with gambling.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um dabbled in it over the past few years, but now I only gamble at like in in-person events.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't drink then.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I I so I then doubled my allowance for drinking to then gamble.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, obviously, because that's kind of how you're supposed to do it.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I was very fortunate that I drove there and parked at a nearby train station because yeah, I won a hundred to one horse.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_02: How much did you put on it?
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_00: Put a tenner on.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: Could have put should have put fucking should have put 10 on.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_02: Should have put a hundred on.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: Should have put a hundred on, would have been ten grand.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_02: But I mean what a rush.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my goodness.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_02: That that's a good feeling, right?
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_00: And we didn't know it, we didn't know it had won.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: It had come on it.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_00: I was actually I was watching the wrong horse.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_00: I was watching because this is a uh Ascot and they've got a big screen and they have like the live rankings of the horses.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_00: Hundred to one.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know it's fucking nuts.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: Only because the name was a Latin Roman orator called Cicero.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_00: Cicero.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's why I picked it.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_00: Only reason.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_00: Literally the only reason it's called Cicero's gift.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_00: So I picked it.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_02: Nice.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, I didn't even know that it won.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_00: I was looking at the wrong horse, I thought it came fifth, and then everyone was like, one of our mates' girlfriends came over and she was like, Oh, I've just won£75 off like£2.50.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, huh, that's like that's around 33 to 1.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_00: That sounds pretty decent.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, but the horse that won, I swear it wasn't that decent odds.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_00: And then I kind of there's like fumbling about, I look at my ticket and I look at the results, and I was like, oh my goodness.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um what a rush.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh just yeah, dopamine hit through the hole.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_00: I was just like, oh that's what hurts people in.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_02: The worst thing that happened, gambling is you win big.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's like me when I leveraged oil last week and won big.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_00: You did, and you got out.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_00: Not financial advice.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_02: No, but not financial advice.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_02: If you want me to to manage your finances and and uh do high-leverage trades on oil and gas, hit me up.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, past past uh doesn't predict future results or something along those lines.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um okay, so okay, we've already discussed number three.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_00: But what a day, what a day though.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_00: W the races.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_00: Have you been have you been a lot?
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was raised.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_02: Most recently I was at the Boxing Day races in Sydney.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um they love gambling.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, they love it.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_02: They love it.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's I've uh yeah, that was a good day out.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_02: I I think I was I I think I'm lost all my money.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_02: I think I lost well, I I think I only put on like a hundred Aussie dollars, but I didn't win anything.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_02: I was just doing kind of like the equivalent of£10 bets.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_02: But we had a good day.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it was hot, um, and the beers were expensive, you know, it was a classic, but full of expats, not many Aussies about.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_02: It was all English, Irish, and Welsh there.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_02: So I I I'm just gonna run up that list before we get to the top two.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_02: So in 16th, we've got traditional martial arts, then we 15th we've got gymnastics, 14th we have swimming, 13th we have athletics, 12th we have tennis, 10th we have cycling.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_02: Uh oh, cycling.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, 11th we have cycling.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we did we we kind of glossed over that.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, fair enough.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_02: Tour Tour de France, I guess people are going to get pissed for it.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_02: But anyway, I'm getting through this list quickly.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_02: Don't don't sidetrack me, Charles.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_02: And 10th, golf.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we also glossed over that, didn't we?
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_00: A little bit.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_00: A little bit.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_02: Ninth Formula One, uh eighth boxing and UFC, seventh cricket, sixth ice hockey, fifth football, fourth horse racing, third American football, and second.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, oh wait, oh wait.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, American football, third.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay, we've we've got that.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_02: And then second rugby union and league.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_02: Uh 73% spectators will be getting drunk whilst watching the game.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_02: And we've already talked a lot about rugby.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's to be expected.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_02: Makes sense.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's 3% more than than football.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_02: Pretty much the same.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, rugby, football, horse racing, um, NFL, ice hockey, cricket, are all kind of a there's a five percent in it between all of them.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_02: But the number one, by a long margin, so rugby is 73%.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_02: Darts, 92% of spectators will be drinking.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_00: I I mean that's kind of you get to the point where you're like, what are the other eight percent doing?
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_02: What you know but I say I mean we kind of go against individuals, but we go and we go back to our conversation about athletics, and then we look at horse racing horse racing and darts, yeah.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_02: Culture is gambling and drinking.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_00: That is it, and that that is, I would say, to the without risk of offending any, you know, avid horse racing supporters that went to Chatham this week or or any darts fans, is the drinking is more important than the than the sport a hundred percent.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: I think you can argue for the other ones, you can go, oh no, I do enjoy watching the stuff.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_00: You're not if you take out the take out the drinking, what is the sport?
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I know and that sounds kind of sad, I'm so sorry.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_02: It comes from a passion, right?
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'll happily sit down and watch your game of rugby completely sober.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_02: You know, there's no need for it.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_02: Would I do the same for dance?
• 50:35
  unknown: No.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I would only if it's the world champs and if I followed the whole tournament.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_00: Are you talking about at home or at the event?
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_00: At home.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it's different at the event.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_00: What about at the event?
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_00: Would you go to a rugby game sober?
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_02: I have done.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_02: I've watched a lot of club like local rugby, but a big event at a stadium, probably I mean have done, but most of the time I am pissed.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but for instance, I would very like a day out at the darts to me sounds ah hilarious.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_02: Get dressed up, get pissed.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_02: Do I give a shit about who wins?
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_02: I do I I like Luke Littler, he's pretty I wouldn't mind seeing him win, but would I be upset if he loses?
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's not gonna break your heart.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_02: Compare that, so that's the world finals of darts, right?
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_02: Compare that to the Rugby World Cup, more emotional impact on me.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's an interesting one, isn't it?
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_02: Why?
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_02: I guess because I look at the bottom of this list with you know, track and field, swimming, gymnastics, uh bodybuilding, crossfit, powerlifting, martial arts.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_02: Everyone there loves the sport and they're purely going just to spectate it.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_02: And you're not I'm not gonna drag someone along with me to a powerlifting event who's not into it, am I?
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's just difficult.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it's quite difficult, I imagine, for you sometimes who someone who doesn't run, taking them they don't want to go to an athletics meet, really.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm not I don't think I really go to any athletics meets that I don't have any affiliation or people competing there.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly, because it's not an event, and but you can drag most people.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_02: I can my girlfriend was really not that interested in rugby, and then I I've brought her along to you know England versus France, and I've brought her to England Fiji, and you know, she loves it, it's a good day out.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_02: You go you go to the pub before, you go and get a burger, and then you go up into the stadium, and it's great atmosphere and Guinness, Guinness, yes.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's so it's sport is a funny one, isn't it?
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_02: Because at its core it's about fitness, athleticism, and improving.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_02: But at the core of a fan base, it can be two very different things.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_02: It can be surrounded by this drinking culture and gambling culture, but then it also can come from ex-athletes just following the the new generation or family members watching something that they absolutely love love doing.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um and the most popular high paid sports in the world all have a lot of people drinking there.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_02: Why do you think that is, Charlie?
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_00: When your opinion uh I think it's the team, I think it's a team aspect, I think it's a social aspect.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think and then it is culture.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_00: Where does the sport come from?
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, what sort of people are playing the sport, what's the drinking culture like?
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's that's probably the main bit, right?
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, what's the what's the social like after these people like let's say you're a supporter of football or rugby or athletics, if you're playing the sport or doing the sport and you're training and you're brought up as a kid, or you're playing as an adult at a you know a lower level standard, what are you doing after the after you've done your training or after you've done your match?
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like as a runner, I'm not gonna go to training and or go like go for a race and then afterwards I'm not gonna go and get hammered, really.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_00: But then if you go, you know, five aside, then you go to the pub, or after a bit of rugby, you go to the pub, you have a beer in the clubhouse.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what's the culture like afterwards?
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like, there's no clubhouse in running, really, you know, but then you don't rugby, football, that sort of stuff, cricket, you know, people are sitting around a lot, and you'll literally have a lot of cricket like around these areas, kind of your week weekend cricket, decent level, is you'll have dedicated days of like President's Day where they just get absolutely hammered and play.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's good fun.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_00: However, having said that, there are certain things like the beer mile, which you know, add that in, could make it a little bit more fun.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_02: But again, that's like adding drinking to the sport and it makes it way more popular.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know what I mean?
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_02: Because people just do it because it's a wait, are we talking about Bermancy beer mile?
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_02: Or are we talking about like an actual beer mile?
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, well, I was thinking an actual beer mile.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_02: No, that's what I was talking about.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, it adds an element of fun and play to the sport, and then people think actually I don't have to be that fit to do it.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_02: I can just go and get pissed and do a bit of running, and it's it makes it fun.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, it's it's it's funny, isn't it?
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_02: Because you've got some of the healthiest, most athletic people in the world competing in it, and arguably some of the the least healthy people watching it.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_00: But the most knowledgeable, you know.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_00: Every every football fan and rugby fan is the most knowledgeable person in the world.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_02: They know more than the pundits and more than the players, 100%.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_00: Especially from their armchairs and their living rooms.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's it's sport is a beautiful thing.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I absolutely uh yeah, love watching sport, all sorts of different sports, apart from tennis.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um I don't I haven't got time for tennis.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um harsh.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I can get on with tennis.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's all a bit, you know, tennisy.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_02: But uh swimming as well.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'll watch it in the Michael Phelps was pretty impressive, but anyhow.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um you know what?
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_00: I was actually chatting to um Sarah, Sarah Pierce last night.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um PT session, and we were talking about she was listening to a podcast about visualisation.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_02: Of course, on Twitter visualise it, visualise it, visualise winning.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_00: Fuck's sake.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_00: And we were talking about um she mentioned Michael Phelps, right?
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_00: There's a whole thing about Michael Phelps spending loads of time on visualisation, and his swimming goggles come off in a I think it's an Olympic final in one year, um, major race.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_00: And because he's visualised that scenario happening, then he's able the you know the water fills up in his goggles, he's like, you know, they've slipped, and he's still he does it absolutely blind there and back, wins Olympic gold or whatever.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think it probably is Olympic gold.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean he's got like 20 odd of them or something, and he's used that for visualization.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_00: But what I was thinking more so is if you introduce alcohol into that, like he's he's able to visualize because he can think about the scenario, right?
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like I was saying the other the other day, it was like if I'm running, I won't visualize things because I don't know how the race is gonna go because there are too many variables, because there's too many people that might cut you up, you know, it's better off just being present.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_00: Michael Phelps, if you introduce alcohol, it's got way too many variables to visualize.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like imagine just someone in the crowd chucking a pint at him.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_00: He's not gonna visualize that.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_00: Makes it a bit more difficult.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_00: So if you introduced this is the real question, this is what I'm getting at, is if you introduced alcohol into swimming for the spectators, would Michael Phelps have won as many gold medals?
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_02: I think there'd be a lot more heckling.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there'd be a lot more roundy crowds.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, a football stadium is so massive, right?
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_02: You can have people say, Ronaldo, you're a little shit, whatever.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_02: You can't kick.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_02: That's the worst that it gets, isn't it?
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, I'm I'm yeah.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_00: Ronaldo, your hair looks shit.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_02: But uh in swimming, someone heckling the athletes, I mean it would just be unaccepted, wouldn't it?
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they could hear you because it's enclosed, everyone's gonna turn and look at you.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, unless you do it when they're actually swimming, they're under the water.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_02: Uh right, I'm for I'm talking about pre-race, psyching them out.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_02: I mean that's what you want to do, right?
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_02: Because you want your athlete to win because you've got money on them, because you're allowed to bet in swimming now because we popularized it, we brought drinking into the sport, we're allowing them to gamble, and you know, you've got live scores and you've got all the odds up over the lane, so people are just live betting.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like then swimming state, they'll let people smoke in there as well, they just completely popularize it.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_00: They're doing back smoking indoors, yeah, exactly.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_02: And they have big extractor fans, it's in Amsterdam, so people are getting high, they're drinking, and they're gambling and they're watching swimming.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_02: Then swimming would be the biggest sport on the planet.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_02: Mark my words.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_00: That sounds very good.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_02: But spectators being drunk, okay, is one thing.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_02: Have you ever competed in sport drunk?
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um probably not.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I've run home from a night out a few times.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, a drunk run's good for I did that the other night.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_00: You feel super speedy.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Ella and I did like a long run around London and then we went to the pub and we had two pints of this, like, well, I had three, she had two, and it was like 6.5% IPA.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_02: Strong.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_02: And after after having ran like probably 15k in total and walked another five or six, pretty, pretty hammered.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I hate to admit it, I haven't been drinking much this year.
• 1:00:13
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_02: And it was actually like guys are freaking lightweight.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_02: I I was uh I was running back from that pub and Ella and I got home and we were like, God, that took like three minutes.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, no, it couldn't have done because that was about three kilometres.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_02: The training's paid off.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think we're running a one minute K.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_02: But it felt it went quickly.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_02: I like a drunk run actually.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_02: As long as you're not too full.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_02: Because then it's it's not great.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's not great.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_02: It goes everywhere.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_02: But I played rugby drunk.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_02: Have you?
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_02: Multiple times.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_00: What sort of rugby?
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like 15s and 7s.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it wasn't my best rugby.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, how do I?
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_02: But I remember the the one of the s the strong memories is we went on rugby tour to France when we were about 16, 17.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_02: And one of the lads had filled the water bottles up with Volca.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_02: And it was like 50% water, 50% Volca.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_02: And it was about 30 degrees.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_02: We're playing this French team, we were all pretty hungover.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_02: It was like a little tournament thing going on.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_02: And I was thinking, God, this is this is not good for the team.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_02: Like we we had to have breaks every quarter because the heat was so bad.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_02: So one of the lads had filled the water bottles up with half vodka, half water at the start, start of the day, thinking this would be funny, not realizing how hot it was gonna be.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_02: So we we get them out and then we drink them, everyone spits out what the hell's going on in the water.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_02: And of course we asked the Frenchies, uh, come on, can we have some no no no signor no signor like oh like um monsieur, sorry, not signor.
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_02: Signor no no no monsieur no um and they they were proper pissed off at us because we were acting like idiots, and then they were like just drink it, there's not much broker in there, and because we were so thirsty.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_02: Oh you turned Eastern European for a hard.
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_02: It was bad.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_02: The amount of high shots going in that game from that.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_02: I I think we had like three or four cards double double double that, you can't see shit.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_00: Floor was three or four.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_02: Floor was rock hard, it was that was nasty.
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_02: But and then also I've played some rugby sevens tournaments where you think you're gonna get knocked out, uh, and then a team loses, you've already started on the beers, or another team started on the beers, and they pull out the tournament, and then the coach is like, someone's pulled out, or no, they actually lost where we thought they were gonna win.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_02: We've got to play the next game, and you've all got You're hammered.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you're not hammered, but you've had a few beers and you've been in the sun all day, and playing sport drunk is you can't quite get in the zone, but you also love it.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's this this element of this is cool, and you think you're a lot better than you are, yeah.
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but it is I think playing rugby drunk once in your life is something you have to experience, Charlie.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you've you've triggered a memory of mine.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_00: Oh mate, I always have like rugby dreams, yeah, rugby me playing rugby again.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_00: No, you don't.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes you're just trying to relate to me more every few months, really?
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I just have one where I'm like, oh, I'm at fullback, and then I'm running, I'm running, and somehow I get through everyone.
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's great, but I'd never go back because then I have to play against like you know adults, yeah.
• 1:03:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not the scoring little good.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_00: But you did you did jolt my memory about running hungover, uh-huh, and this was it's similar to kind of like getting knocked out, um, and you think that you're not playing anymore.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_00: Is it was right at the end of a season a couple of years back, and my brother had a big party at ours on the it was a bank holiday weekend, so it was on the Sunday, um big party at ours, but I was racing on the Monday, and I was racing in a 500 meter race, so this was like uh it was put on at the club as a distance runners versus sprinters 500 metres.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_00: So you got a few guys, a few 400 metre runners, a few 800 meter runners, compete against each other so you could run the fastest time.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I'd kind of finished my season already.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, this is my last proper season that I had uh a couple years back, and I was just like, oh, I'm just gonna run it, you know, for the sake of it, get a couple scalps, try and beat beat the lads that I train with and the 400 meter guys, and uh I then didn't have much willpower to then be like, I'm at the end of the season, there's nothing to lose, I'm not gonna, you know, not much to gain from like winning this race.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I got absolutely hammered.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh good like 12-13 points day, like a big party.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I woke up in the morning, and I'm my race was at about maybe one o'clock in the afternoon, and I woke up and I was like, oh no, I forgot I'm gonna have to race today.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I was warming up, dragged myself down to the track, couldn't stomach any food.
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think I had a a Twix or a Whisper.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_02: Was it a white Twix or and was it this is before my white Twix era?
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_00: It was like a whisper or a Twix, and I had a Lucas Aid and a Lucas A sport.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_00: I went out for my warm-up jog and I was like, I'm gonna throw up.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_00: I was like five minute Ks for you know 15 minutes, like nice jog, easy jog, and I was just like this is horrid, and I was like, I don't know if I'm gonna be able to run.
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_00: And what was amazing, really, you say you can't get in the zone for rugby.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_00: I was struggling that year when in my races, I was struggling to get into a flow and to switch off my little monkey mind that kept like popping in and going doing doing doing.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and uh I just had zero capacity to think.
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_00: I just couldn't it was it was Like static, there was nothing going on in my head because I was still so drunk.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_00: And so I lined up on the start, and I was just like, Fuck, I can just sprint for 500 meters.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I took off and uh slotted in.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_00: There was a lad, Dylan, he went out super quick, went out the front, one of the 400 meter runners.
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_00: And so I just sat on him, went round, obviously threw the bell 100 meters in, got around to about 200 to go, and I was just like, right, let's just keep keep kicking, keep kicking.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_00: And just running, running towards the line.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think I had some guys, some of my my training group, Jordan and Ben, chasing me.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_00: Ended up winning the race.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was just like, I was so happy as well.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_00: I was just like, fuck, yes.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_00: Celebrated.
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, come on, 500 meter race, official.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, no one runs a 500 meters, official club record for the 500 metres.
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I was just like, wow, I should do this more often.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you should.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's there's something in that, Charlie.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's the way to go.
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_02: I think on that bombshell, let's let's finish there today.
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_02: Let's bring it home.
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_02: The moral of the story, guys, is get drunk before you compete.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_02: Play a game of rugby when you're drunk.
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's fun.
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_02: Do a race when you're drunk.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_02: Get drunk when you watch sport because it makes it a little bit better.
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_02: No, any joking.
• 1:07:17
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• 1:07:39
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• 1:07:40
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