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9-16-26 Hour 3 - Blaming Bo for the Broncos Beatdown/Avs Media Day, Joe Buck Extended/Game Sound a Must? · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 1: This is Mosher Lombardi and Kane on demand. Listen live
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  Speaker 2: Sean Payton is not a 42-year-old firecracker.
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  Speaker 3: Been around. Doesn't want to coach forever. OK, I look
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  Speaker 3: at this thing.
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  Speaker 2: Right now and I'm telling you, Bo Nix in trouble
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  Speaker 2: because the great quarterbacks just make it work. Mahomes last
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  Speaker 2: night wasn't great, but he just made it work. You
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  Speaker 2: go down to the Buffalo game at Houston. It wasn't pretty.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes Josh Allen's reckless. He just makes it work. Caleb Williams,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to take off, makes it work. Quarterbacks come
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  Speaker 2: into three categories. They're either elevators, they're executors.
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  Speaker 3: They execute.
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  Speaker 2: Or they're inhibitors. Bo Nix was a talented executor. Could
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  Speaker 2: he become an elevator? No, he's category three now. He
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  Speaker 2: is getting in the way.
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  Speaker 4: How many times he got in the way last year
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  Speaker 4: of a win for the Broncos?
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  Speaker 5: Three.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I don't get.
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  Speaker 5: And look, I don't think anybody.
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  Speaker 4: Has to be happy. Forget happy. You have a right
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  Speaker 4: to be pissed with how Monday night went down. You
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  Speaker 4: have a right to be angry with how the offense looked.
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  Speaker 3: Do you have a right to be excited about Bo Nix?
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  Speaker 4: Sure. You have a right to be skeptical on where
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  Speaker 4: this offense is going to go this year. But I'll
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  Speaker 4: remind you that that was Bo Nix's, what did we say,
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  Speaker 4: 38th career game for the Broncos, right?
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  Speaker 3: 38th?
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  Speaker 4: And he's had games that have looked like that. Every
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  Speaker 4: time it's been in week one, he's looked the exact
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  Speaker 4: same way. But I don't think that if you're somebody,
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  Speaker 4: if you thought one thing of Bo Nix going into
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  Speaker 4: that game and you think something entirely differently, I would
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  Speaker 4: challenge you to ask yourself why one game has flipped
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  Speaker 4: you this much. Why has one game done this to you?
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  Speaker 4: And the reason why we play Cowherd, and I won't
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  Speaker 4: do this all again, I have five other clips pulled
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  Speaker 4: up of Cowherd within a month of each other, asking
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  Speaker 4: the question last year in November, will Sean Payton draft
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  Speaker 4: another quarterback? And then a month after that saying he's
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  Speaker 4: right-handed Steve Young.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, listen, I'm not worried about what Colin Coward says.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, he's got his platform and I'm sure he
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  Speaker 5: has his reasons. Bo's not going to look that bad again,
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  Speaker 5: maybe down the season, but next week I expect him
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  Speaker 5: to bounce back. Bottom line is it wasn't just Bo.
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  Speaker 5: Bo was terrible. The offense was terrible. The run game
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  Speaker 5: was terrible. Jalen Waddell was not even used. The play
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  Speaker 5: calling was terrible. The approach to the game was terrible. Everything.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, but it's so– Vic, you're so right,
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  Speaker 3: but it's so funny you brought that up earlier, Brett,
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  Speaker 3: that Sean Payton was remarkably calm in his post-game news conference, Vic.
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  Speaker 3: He really was. I mean, for a guy who drives
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  Speaker 3: around a sushi parking lot for an hour just going
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  Speaker 3: over a win and all the bad things that happened–
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  Speaker 3: It's almost like he just was... Here, Moshe, I'll give
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  Speaker 3: you an example. He just sort of knew it was
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  Speaker 3: going to happen. It was resolved that it was going
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  Speaker 3: to happen that way.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to give you times for a second, okay?
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  Speaker 3: Please.
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  Speaker 4: 28 seconds, 20 seconds, 20 seconds, 22 seconds. That was
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  Speaker 4: the length of just a few of his answers in
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  Speaker 4: the postgame. Usually after a loss, they're about four seconds.
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  Speaker 4: What do you think of the offense in that game?
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  Speaker 3: It was bad.
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  Speaker 4: We'll fix it. Like he's terse to the point, angry, combative,
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  Speaker 4: all these different things. He wasn't that after that first game.
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  Speaker 4: And it makes me wonder just one thing. Sean Payton's
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  Speaker 4: been coaching a long time, long time in this league.
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  Speaker 4: He is, I think the number is 31 and 31
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  Speaker 4: in his coaching career in the month of September. He's
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  Speaker 4: a 500 coach in September. Part of me just thinks he,
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  Speaker 4: he doesn't care all that much. about how the first
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  Speaker 4: couple games go. He's just like, hey, of course we
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  Speaker 4: want to go out and win, disappointed with the loss,
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  Speaker 4: but I think he's just accepted that his team starts
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  Speaker 4: slow sometimes. And it didn't feel like he was super
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  Speaker 4: angry about it.
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  Speaker 5: He starts slow and Bo starts slow.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, the numbers are there, but I'm just curious
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  Speaker 5: regarding the comments from Coward. If somebody played those back
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  Speaker 5: to Peyton, Sean Peyton, would he react the same way
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  Speaker 5: he reacted to Schwartz's comments earlier? this year. Would he
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  Speaker 5: have the same venom? I don't know because he's friends
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  Speaker 5: with Coward. I don't care what is said. I care
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  Speaker 5: what is done. And what was done on the field
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  Speaker 5: Monday night in Kansas City was atrocious at every level.
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  Speaker 5: The play calling was bad. The execution was bad. The
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  Speaker 5: 176 total yards, fewer yards in the AFC title game
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  Speaker 5: when a blizzard hit the damn town. It was awful.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody's bad. The blocking was bad. I mean, You can
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  Speaker 5: pinpoint certain things in that game and say, what are
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  Speaker 5: you thinking? What are you doing here? I believe that
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  Speaker 5: the Denver Broncos tried to out-fool people. They tried to
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  Speaker 5: fool the opposition rather than beat the opposition.
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  Speaker 3: Out-fool? I know.
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  Speaker 5: I tried to say another word, and I messed up mid-sentence.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, Vic, it's cool, man. Just walk us off the ledge.
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  Speaker 5: They tried to fool the Chiefs rather than beat the Chiefs. Hey, Mosher.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right.
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  Speaker 5: What is football? What is football? And it's fundamental. When
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  Speaker 5: you peel off all the layers, what is football?
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  Speaker 3: It's a violent sport.
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  Speaker 5: It's moving the person in front of you out of
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  Speaker 5: the way.
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  Speaker 4: Correct.
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  Speaker 3: That's what it is. It's a collision sport.
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  Speaker 5: Football is very simple. There's a guy in front of you.
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  Speaker 5: You have to move that person out of the way
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  Speaker 5: and make some room for the guy behind you who
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  Speaker 5: has the magic pill. That's what it is. And the Broncos,
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  Speaker 5: to me, seemed unwilling to do that Monday night in
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  Speaker 5: Kansas City while the Chiefs were very willing to wade
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  Speaker 5: in those waters. They loved it. Broncos wanted no part
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  Speaker 5: of it.
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  Speaker 3: You're right. You go back to that third and one
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  Speaker 3: and this spread formation. I mean, what did Kansas City do?
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  Speaker 3: They just ran it right down your throat or bounced
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  Speaker 3: it outside. When you stopped it, they bounced it outside
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  Speaker 3: and ran past you.
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  Speaker 5: You know a great football team? A football team that
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  Speaker 5: you know what they're going to run. You know what's coming.
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  Speaker 5: And you still can't stop.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: You know it's coming. You know the run off tackle's coming.
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  Speaker 5: Josh McDaniels used to say this, and I'm not trying
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  Speaker 5: to use him as a role model by any means,
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  Speaker 5: but the reason why the Patriots in their heyday were
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  Speaker 5: so successful in the red zone is because they only
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  Speaker 5: had a couple plays. Run plays. They ran it. And
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  Speaker 5: they perfected those run plays. And everybody knew what they
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  Speaker 5: were going to do. Everybody. Look at how the Seahawks
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  Speaker 5: lost that Super Bowl to the Patriots.
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  Speaker 3: What did they do?
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  Speaker 5: During the most consequential play of the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: Rather than give it to Marshawn Lynch, they tried to
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  Speaker 3: throw it. Yes.
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  Speaker 5: They got pretty. And I'm not saying pretty doesn't work.
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  Speaker 3: Rather than go beast mode, they got pretty. Yes. That's
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  Speaker 3: what it was.
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  Speaker 4: I just looked something up because I had to find this.
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  Speaker 4: I want to ask you guys a question. Drew Brees.
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  Speaker 4: Would you consider him, let's just say, a top 10
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  Speaker 4: quarterback that's played the game-ish?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Somewhere.
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  Speaker 3: I'd say he's somewhere there.
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  Speaker 5: He's in the category. He's a Hall of Famer.
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  Speaker 3: He's top 20.
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  Speaker 4: In his career, he played 62 games in the month
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  Speaker 4: of September. How many wins did he have?
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  Speaker 5: That's a great question.
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  Speaker 2: 61.
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  Speaker 6: 29.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, so he had a losing record.
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  Speaker 4: He was 29 and 33 in the month of September
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  Speaker 4: over the course of his career. The majority of that
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  Speaker 4: career coming with Sean Payton. This isn't anything new is
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  Speaker 4: all I'm saying. And he looked... Let's separate one thing.
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  Speaker 4: Drew Brees looked a lot better than Bo Nix did
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  Speaker 4: on Monday night, even in those losses. He still had
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  Speaker 4: 110 touchdowns to 51 picks, okay? But the bottom line is,
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  Speaker 4: Sean Payton teams losing in September is a thing. You
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  Speaker 4: know what Drew Brees' record is? In October, in which
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  Speaker 4: he played 70 games, he was 50-20. And that sounds
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  Speaker 4: a lot like what Bo Nix does in the month
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  Speaker 4: of October, right? Everybody wants to make this solely about
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  Speaker 4: a Bo Nix thing, and I get it because he's
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  Speaker 4: the quarterback, he's the guy in charge, and you're trying
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  Speaker 4: to evaluate, is this guy worthy of a long-term contract?
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  Speaker 4: It's not just him. This is also a Sean Payton thing.
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  Speaker 4: In September, they just aren't great. They get better as
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  Speaker 4: the year goes on. It's a product of the way
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  Speaker 4: they run training camp. Very well could be.
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  Speaker 5: I think it is. I think we have enough data
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  Speaker 5: now to prove it.
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  Speaker 4: I'll take it a step further. In weeks one through
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  Speaker 4: four for Drew Brees over the course of his career,
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  Speaker 4: he has a record of 38 and 35. 500. He's
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  Speaker 4: 500 in the first four weeks of the season for
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  Speaker 4: a Hall of Famer in his career.
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  Speaker 5: And you know what? Sean Payton may look at you
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  Speaker 5: and say, yeah, we're playing the long game. We're willing
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  Speaker 5: to sacrifice early season games for the benefit of staying
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  Speaker 5: together And getting better as the season progresses.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I would be also very curious to see how
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  Speaker 3: much of a factor Drew Brees wasn't in those losses
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  Speaker 3: in September. What do you mean? Like you said, he
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  Speaker 3: still had twice as many touchdown passes as picks, right? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Drew Brees is a Hall of Fame quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so maybe the Sean Payton teams start slow. but
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  Speaker 3: Drew Brees was still pulling his own weight, right? He
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  Speaker 3: wasn't going, he wasn't throwing one touch and then losing
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  Speaker 3: a fumble. Dropping the ball three times, losing a fumble.
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  Speaker 3: one fumble and throwing a pick.
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  Speaker 4: Agreed, but if there's one thing that you point to
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  Speaker 4: to Bo Nix that you would say, you know what,
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  Speaker 4: he's really good at that. Has it not been winning
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  Speaker 4: over his first two years?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely. That's his best asset. Yes, Brett, and that cannot
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  Speaker 3: be denied, but why? Why? But why? If you start
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  Speaker 3: looking at the reasons, why? Did Drew Brees ever have
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  Speaker 3: a defense like Bo Nix has had here in Denver?
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  Speaker 3: Did the Saints ever have?
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  Speaker 4: The Saints' defenses were pretty damn good, man.
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  Speaker 3: Like this? I have to look it up.
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  Speaker 4: He kind of took a whole year off because their
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  Speaker 4: defense was so violent, they said, you can't do that anymore.
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  Speaker 4: Remember that?
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  Speaker 3: Maybe you're right. I'm just saying that I'd have to
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  Speaker 3: look it up. I remember those Saints winning because Drew
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  Speaker 3: Brees is a Hall of Fame quarterback and he's throwing
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  Speaker 3: the pig all over the yard for 5,400 yards a season. Crazy,
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  Speaker 3: insane stats. That's what I remember. That being said, you know,
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  Speaker 3: if you can point and say, well, Brees was the
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  Speaker 3: reason they lost in September, then okay, fine. And if
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  Speaker 3: things start to turn around, that's just how Sean Payton
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  Speaker 3: teams work.
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  Speaker 5: The Broncos will not tackle as poorly as they did
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  Speaker 5: on Monday.
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  Speaker 3: They will not.
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  Speaker 5: I think the defense will be much better Sunday. I
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  Speaker 5: still have questions about the offense. I do wonder, what
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  Speaker 5: are they hoping to do here? What do they want
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  Speaker 5: to do? Having said that, all of the panic that
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  Speaker 5: is out there, I'm going to make my call right now.
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  Speaker 5: And it's Wednesday. It's 24-21 Broncos on Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: Ooh.
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  Speaker 3: Ooh. Wow.
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  Speaker 5: You said what?
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  Speaker 4: What was it? You give us 24-21 Broncos.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Okay.
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  Speaker 5: That's a team that came in here and whipped you
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  Speaker 5: last year, right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So you don't need motivation. You look like crap last
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  Speaker 5: Monday night. You embarrass yourself offensively. You say you want
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  Speaker 5: to run the ball, but you won't commit to it. Defensively, hell,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, they might be doing Oklahoma drills as we speak.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go.
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  Speaker 5: Let's get into it. Bring the guy down. They were
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  Speaker 5: fine schematically on the defensive side. They were in position
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  Speaker 5: to make tackles.
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  Speaker 3: All of them.
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  Speaker 4: I'll give you guys the stat again that I saw
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  Speaker 4: yesterday because I had this feeling, and I was like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if my eyes were lying to me
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  Speaker 4: or what, but it didn't feel like the Broncos were
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  Speaker 4: getting pushed around in the trenches. It just felt like
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  Speaker 4: they weren't making the requisite tackles and plays. Last week,
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  Speaker 4: in average time to pressure, which is a pass rushing stat,
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  Speaker 4: and running back yards before contact per rush, The Broncos
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  Speaker 4: combined between those two stats were arguably the best defense
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  Speaker 4: in the league, which doesn't match up with what you
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  Speaker 4: watched in that game. But here's the main thing. Yards
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  Speaker 4: before contact per rush was less than zero yards, which
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  Speaker 4: means it was at the line of scrimmage. You just
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  Speaker 4: didn't tackle.
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  Speaker 5: You know what it looked like to me? So when
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  Speaker 5: you're watching training camp, as we did, we were there
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  Speaker 5: all training camp. You're not allowed to bring a guy
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  Speaker 5: to the ground. And so a defensive player will come
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  Speaker 5: up on a receiver and just sort of pop them.
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  Speaker 5: It'll grab them and just jostle or a running play.
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  Speaker 3: They'll fill the gap.
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  Speaker 5: And it looked to me on Monday night as if
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  Speaker 5: the Broncos were still doing that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Like, Oh wait, wait, we're allowed to wrap now.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I forgot.
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  Speaker 5: I forgot about that. That's what it looked like.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I have a question for both of you. Why
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  Speaker 3: is it? That when I go full-on Professor Frank, 7-7-X-4-2-8.
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  Speaker 3: Why is it you jump all down my throat? Because
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  Speaker 3: your stats are stupid. But when Brett's doing the point
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  Speaker 3: of contact and the ratio of.
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  Speaker 5: His stat is meaningful to our conversation.
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you how.
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  Speaker 5: Your stats are stupid.
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  Speaker 3: My stat was great.
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  Speaker 4: No, you pointed to a matchup predictor that you have
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  Speaker 4: no idea how to explain how it works.
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  Speaker 5: And it had nothing to do with our conversation.
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  Speaker 3: It transferred into the football power index.
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  Speaker 4: I gave you two things. I gave you where was
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  Speaker 4: contact made with the running back. At the line of scrimmage,
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  Speaker 4: what you want to see from your defense.
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  Speaker 5: They didn't tackle.
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  Speaker 4: The other stat I gave you, Hall of Famer Drew Brees,
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  Speaker 4: sub 500 record in September under Sean Payton. Those are
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  Speaker 4: two relevant statistics.
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  Speaker 3: It's just stats are stats. You start throwing out stats,
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  Speaker 3: you get praised. I throw out the stats.
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  Speaker 5: Your greatest contribution to this show today was siding the
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  Speaker 5: line from the movie Young Guns.
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  Speaker 3: Which is a pretty damn good line.
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  Speaker 4: You are pretty, I don't want to say anti-nerd, but
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  Speaker 4: you get sick of analytics very quickly. Were my stats
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  Speaker 4: not relevant to the conversation?
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  Speaker 5: They were the most relevant of the show because it
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  Speaker 5: explains a little bit why the Broncos look so different Monday.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. The odds of me actually... Listen to
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  Speaker 3: me talk.
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  Speaker 2: Actually?
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  Speaker 4: Analytically?
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  Speaker 5: Analytically.
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  Speaker 3: The odds of me analytically getting my ass out of
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  Speaker 3: bed to come in here for this abuse tomorrow morning...
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  Speaker 3: What do you think that stat is, Brett? How about 0.8%? Well,
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  Speaker 3: I will also say that that is a fraudulent stat
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  Speaker 3: because you will be in here tomorrow. Listeners, listeners.
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  Speaker 5: Repeating, of course, percentage of survival.
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  Speaker 3: It's a lot better than we usually do. That's, that's,
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  Speaker 3: is that, uh, Leroy Jenkins?
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  Speaker 4: Leroy Jenkins, baby.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 4: Lions-Bills Thursday night football. It's a big-time matchup tomorrow night,
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  Speaker 4: and DMACC will be at Stoney's Uptown to watch it
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  Speaker 4: with you. Come out, grab a seat, and catch Lions-Bills
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  Speaker 3: What's up, Denver? This is Gabe Landeskog. I love my Broncos,
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  Speaker 3: but Brett and Moj, our Lions are playing tonight on
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  Speaker 4: He meant tomorrow, but yes, thank you, Gabe.
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  Speaker 4: Bednar, by the way, speaking to the media, did just
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: say that Kael McCarr is dealing with a lower body
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: injury heading into camp. He's unlikely to be ready for
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: day one of camp, but will be a full go
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: during camp at some point.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: No! God, please, no!
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: So it sounds like he'll be ready for the opener.
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: It's just something else. He said it's unrelated to the
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: playoff injury.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: He'll be okay.
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: You said you wanted to talk about it, Moshe. Go ahead.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah. I mean, well, today's media day, and what
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: am I going to say? Training camp starts tomorrow.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: Hang on a second. Vic, let me tell you something. Moshe,
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: during the break, says, hey, when we come back, can
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: I talk about Avs Camp? And I just looked at Moshe.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: I was like, talk about Avs Camp.
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: He goes, yep.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: Well, it starts today. I apologize. I'm late to the segment.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: I just got some really bad news that I can't share, but...
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: So it took my mind off.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: Okay, sorry.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: It's okay.
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: I didn't know that. My bad.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: It's okay. But yeah, I'm not there. I'm committed. Look
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: at me here. Didn't do the golf tournament. Didn't go
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: to media day like I typically would and get all
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: my work done. That's been now farmed out to Lauren Gardner,
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: so you're welcome.
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you what's weird.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: It's two weeks. Boy, it's two weeks.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: And then the Avs play a regular season hockey game
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: in two weeks. And how about this?
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: And I had something else for Vic, and I forget
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: what it is now. I had two things. Remember, I
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: had two things coming back I wanted to get to.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: One was the abs.
• 17:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: And the McCarnews. And there was another thing for Vic,
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: but sorry, my mind is elsewhere at the moment. I apologize.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: That's okay. I'll say this.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: Season's starting in two weeks. My expectations have not changed.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: Yours should not either. The abs should be a team
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: where you are You're looking at this, and in some ways,
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: you know, I mentioned this about Sakic, and I don't
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: know if this is right, wrong, whatever, but it's my
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: read on it. Sakic has already announced that he's going
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: to be the GM for the foreseeable future. Still don't
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: know what that means, but certainly that means this year.
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: And I think there's a part of Sakic that thinks
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: to himself, there's a lot of questions moving forward with
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: this team about, you know, Cale's going to eat a
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: big chunk of this cap. We're going to have to
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: do some juggling. There's some bigger questions, and let's be honest,
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: I love Bednar to death, but Does not have a
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: contract extension heading into this year. There's probably a lot
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: of pressure on him to produce a Stanley Cup final
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: appearance or a cup or something like that. There's pressure.
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: If there's this much sort of in flux for this year,
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: he's like, I'm going to be the shepherd that moves
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: us through it. I'm not going to give this to
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: somebody else. This is going to be mine.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: You know, the one thing I do value about the
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: Avs and Jared Bednar's approach is they never, ever, ever
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: run from the pressure. They never run. Like, for example, hey,
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: it's win or else. Yeah, sure is. It's Stanley Cup robust.
• 18:46
  Speaker 7: Yep.
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: Sure is. It's not one of these, well, you know,
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: it's not one of those. It is what it is,
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: and they know what it is. And I give them
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: respect for at least acknowledging that.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Well, there's nowhere to hide from it because they are
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: that good. I mean, Britt, again, pull up your little
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Stanley Cup odds thing that you're so good at. You're
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: really good at whipping this stuff out.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: And Uh, the odds-on favorite to win the Stanley Cup
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: is the two teams tied at first. That is the
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: Panthers and Hurricanes at plus 650, and plus 700 right
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: behind them is the Avs.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: Okay, so you're telling me that the top two teams
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: that are tied are both in the Eastern Conference. Correct.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: So that would make the Avs the favorite to win
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: the Western Conference.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say that's probably accurate. So there is
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: no place to hide from that kind of pressure or
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: that kind of.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's a reason why the national networks, Vic,
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: they've taken 17 games. They've taken the max. I mean,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: they take the max every single year away from us. Now,
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: we got two back, and those will be side-by-sides, which
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: is basically we broadcast to the Avalanche audience, and then
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: they broadcast to the rest of the country and so on.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: But they take the max every single year that they
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: possibly can, and the abs are that good. And I
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: know it was disappointing. I know the loss to Vegas.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: It still stings for me. They didn't play great. Carter
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Hart will never play that well again. And then there's
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: the extemporaneous stuff that figures into it but are not
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: excuses like, man, a lot of guys were dealing with
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: a lot of stuff.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: Let's reevaluate after a week. I ask you in order.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: The three teams in Denver that have chances to win championships,
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: the Avs are number one, right? Who's two?
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: I still think it's the Broncos.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: I think it's the Broncos too. I think they have
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: less of an obstacle course to sift through.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: I think the West.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Well, they have.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: Well, Vic, Vic.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: Look at that schedule for the next eight weeks.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: It's obstacly.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: But if you get to the playoffs, if you get
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: to the playoffs, it's one game.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: You know, the NFL playoffs, it's a different ball. It's
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: one game. You can win a game.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: That being said, if the Denver Nuggets starting five is
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: healthy and DeMar DeRozan has something in the tank. Sure.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: I'm excited about DeMar.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: And just, you know, Julian Strother and Spencer Jones take
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: another step. And Deron Holmes actually is a human that
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: I see on the floor.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Oh, I can't do that. I'm not doing that. I'm
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: not playing that game. I'm not doing that. Deron Holmes,
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: in my mind, does not exist unless he actually does something.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: Because I've done this with Zeke Nagy for years. I've
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: done it with a bunch of other people on this roster.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: I can't. I can't bring myself to do that again.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: What if one of these rookies can play? What if
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Brazil can play?
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: Again, can't do it. I'm not playing that game until
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: I see it.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Here's what I know. That being said, that starting five
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: and a couple of the rotation players, that can be...
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: a damn fine basketball team in the Western conference.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: Hey, can, can, can the nuggets vie for a championship?
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they could.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: If the planets align.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: I mean, did anybody honest to God that I'll ask
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: you guys, take yourself back to last March. Did you
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: expect the Knicks to win a championship? Nope.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Nope.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: How many people expected the New York Knicks to win
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: the NBA championship? Even going into the playoffs. I don't,
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: In the first round, they were down two games to one.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Chris Mitchell just raised his hand.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Put your hand down. Don't finger gun me.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Your time is short, Mitchell.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: Here's what I'm going to tell you.
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: The point is, if the planets align for any team,
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: you're capable. However, the Nuggets are back in prove-it mode.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: And I think they're a better team when they're in
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: prove-it mode. All right, listen.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: This is the approach I'm taking with the Nuggets. Hear
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: me clearly. Because I can't play this game again. I
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: refuse to let myself. The Nuggets right now have a
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: roster of seven players. That's how I look at it.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: You have your starting five, DeMar DeRozan and Spencer Jones.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: Anything else? Don't know. Don't trust it. Don't have no idea.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: So Bagley, Strother, Zeke, Daron Holmes, anybody else? They do
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: not exist in my brain. You have seven players right
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: now that I trust, and that's it until somebody proves differently.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but Bagley, I mean, he's still a double-digit guy.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: I know he's been around. He's still in his 20s.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: He's still a double-digit dude. God, it's hard to believe
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: that guy was second overall. Wow.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: Nobody exists out of the top seven players that I
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: have mentioned to you.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Now you're going full-on. What was his character's name?
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: Hey, Moshe, here's why I don't do the Bagley thing.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: You want to know why? You can tell me.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: He scored double digits.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Last year, he was double digits. Give me Jonas Valanciunas'
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: career and tell me.
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: You guys have the worst record in the NBA.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: Cool.
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: Tell me, Munch.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: Tell me about Big Val. What was his career numbers?
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Because I'll tell you, they were pretty damn good. And
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: then he didn't play.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: You went full-on Phil, though. From Hangover, you went full-on Phil.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: You don't exist to me. It's the weekend.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: I do not know you. You do not exist.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: That is them.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: Well, seven players.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: That's fine. Okay, we're starting out with seven freaking dudes.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: Hey, here's some news. Did you guys see that Joe
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: Buck is staying with Monday Night Football? It's a six-year deal.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: $ 108 million.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Jeez Louise.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Well, that's your salary to call the abs.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Joe Buck is really good. I don't mind telling you.
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: I think he's extraordinary.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, as a guy who does it for a living...
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: And Vic dabbles in it with hand jobs and whatnot.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: That's a no-no. Read the email. Did you hit it?
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: Good.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Read the email.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: Oh, I didn't see that.
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: My bad.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: Open your email and read the email.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: Yes, you're right. I dabble in it. And I even
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: tell you that man's ability to relay the events of
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: a game in absolute calm and poise.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: He's really, he's really good.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: He's really, really good.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: Can I give you something else?
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: I like, however, however, media, media salaries are plummeting. They've
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: been plummeting for years. Some don't plummet. Some skyrocket.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: Okay, two things here. I used to not like Joe
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: Buck because I didn't feel like he matched the excitement
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: of the moment. And I'll always go back to earlier
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: in his career when he was calling one of the
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: greatest Super Bowl plays that's ever happened, which is the
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: David Tyree catch. And he kept the same tone the
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: whole way. Manning drops back, avoids pressure, throws, it's caught.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, what do you mean it's caught? It's,
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: oh my God, that's how it should sound. He's a
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: lot better at that now. He's a lot better at
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: that now.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: I know, but I think he does just enough. I
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: guess Pat Summerall was the most just right down the middle.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: Remember Pat Summerall's call the games most?
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: He wouldn't even flinch.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: But do you not?
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: So what do you want?
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: Are you more, I think Kevin Harlan- Oh, Kevin. Amazing.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: And he's amazing, right? Everybody, see, but I love people
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: for who they are and how they do it. Not
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: everybody has to be Kevin Harlan. Not everybody has to
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: jump to that other octave during a play. But the
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: guy in Carolina who does the Charlotte Hornets.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: That's a little much.
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: Not everybody has to do that. He's really good.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: I love him.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: I love him.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: But everybody's different. It's okay.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: So, no, Vic, I totally agree. But I will say,
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: as he's gone on with the football thing... He started
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: to do that. Like his call, I thought of Stefan
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: Diggs in Minnesota, the miracle of Minnesota. I thought that
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: was perfect. Brought it up an octave, still kept his
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: same sort of.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: Cool a little bit.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I agree. And again, but it's also a
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: national audience. And Harlan's just, you know, Kevin is, you know,
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: he's dynamic and animated.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: Can I give you guys something, by the way, speaking
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: of that Monday Night Football broadcast? I heard Levitar, and
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: I saw a clip of his show talking about this,
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: and he was talking about Troy Aikman. What do you
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: guys think of this? This is during Broncos and Chiefs.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: These were all said in the first half of that game.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: And I didn't notice it, but it's true. Here's the
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: things that Troy Aikman said. The Denver roster is as
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: deep as any in football. Andy Reid understands as much
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: as anyone in football that they've got to run the football.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: Pat Bryant had as good a camp as anyone in football.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Denver has as deep a wide receiver room as anyone
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: in football. Denver has as good a secondary as there
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: is in football. Trent McDuffie is as good as anyone
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: in all of football. That was the first quarter.
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: Second quarter.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: Denver's defense is as good as any defense in football.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: Denver plays as much man as anyone in football. Kenneth
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: Walker is as patient as anyone in football. Riley Moss
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: gets targeted as much as anyone in football. Denver is
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: as good an offensive line as there is in football.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Find the lie.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Vance Joseph is as good a defensive coordinator as there
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: is in football. Sean Payton is as good a play
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: caller as there is in football.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: This can't be true.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: Cortland Sutton is as good as anyone in football winning one-on-one.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: He said all those things in the first half. It
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: just goes to show you how poorly the Broncos played.
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: I mean, that is true.
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: If you have all of those things aren't as good
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: as anyone in football, you get worked like that. I mean,
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: that is a, I can't believe I didn't notice it
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: as it was going on, to be honest with you.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: Somebody fact-checked it. He said all of those things in
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: the first half.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody's got a little crutch from time to time.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: I certainly know that I do, that I try to
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: get off my crutches, but that's part of, it's part
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: of what makes you, part of makes you who you are.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: That's part of it. You know what I mean?
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: I still think they're a great group, by the way.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: I love hearing them call a game. I think they're good.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: Him and Troy?
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Good.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: I do, too.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of... Listen.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: My wife is getting so mad at me.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Ian Eagle's great. His kid is great. There's a lot
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: of terrific broadcasters in football, man.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: As good as anyone in football.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: As good as anyone in football.
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: My wife sounded like you the other night. We're watching
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: the game, and I watch the game in my office.
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: I won't go to the main room. I won't go
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: to other... It's got to be in my office.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Wait, so if she wants to watch with you, she's
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: got to come into your office?
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's my work time. I'm working. I have a
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: post-game show to do. She knows.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: It's work.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: What, do you got a beanbag?
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: In there?
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: Beanbag couch? Anyway, so we're sitting there watching, and on
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: one television, I have the broadcast, and I have the
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: antenna up so I get it before anybody. I don't
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: wait for the digital broadcast. I wait for the over-the-air broadcast,
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: which is quick, quick, quick. And on the other television,
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: I have the Manning cast. So I had the Manning
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: cast a little louder than the regular broadcast. And my
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: wife's like, what are you doing? This is terrible. This
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: is how you watch a game? She was so mad.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Good call, Queen.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: I want to watch the game. Good call, Queen.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: You're my queen.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: But I wanted to hear the Manning cast. I wanted
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: to hear the interview with Elway. I wanted to hear that.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Don't call me that.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: I agree with her. I don't know how you do that.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: Nothing against the Manning broadcast. Especially when my team's involved.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: I just want to watch the game. I don't need
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: to hear.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: So second and five.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: Hey, Eli, when we were kids, you remember playing in
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: the backyard at the treehouse? I don't need that stuff
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: in the middle.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: Let me tell you what I cannot do. Moj, and
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: you can participate in this. They've got these broadcasts now
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: that they do in 4K. Sometimes ESPN puts them out
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: without announcers. It's just natural sound. What kind of freakazoid?
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: is watching that.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: People who like that are, I think, people who live
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: in the forest by themselves. What are you doing?
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: If I watch a game, I need somebody telling me
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: who's who and what's going on.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: Football's different, but.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: No!
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: No, hang on, hang on.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Football is different. You shut it.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: Vic, you've already admitted to this, unless you want to
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: be a hypocrite and flip-flopper. I told you the PGA's
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: going to experiment next year with a broadcast that has
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: no sound of a play-by-play... but it'll be natural sound
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: along with you can pick up some catty golfer talk
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: in the middle of it. And you said you would
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: like to watch that. So no Jim Nance taking you through.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: Bits and pieces, bits and pieces. But when it comes
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: down to it.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: I'm not watching a full Masters without any broadcast.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you got to get to what's going on. It's just,
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: it's sacrilegious. It's barbaric. You're watching a basketball game or
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: a football game. And not because we're in the business.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: It's just, how do you even carry?
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: What do you do with yourself?
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: What's happening?
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: What's happening in the game right now?
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Who threw it to whom?
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: Do you prefer the Manning cast over the regular broadcast? No,
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: only bits and pieces. I'm telling you, I watch it
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: and I'll go in and out, in and out.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: I do learn a lot by watching the Mannings. I do.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: Sure you do. No question.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Hey, what time is kickoff on Sunday? Here?
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: Today? Today?
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Today? Today?
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: This Sunday?
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Wait, this Sunday?
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: I'm talking Broncos. It's 2-0-5. Yeah, it's 2. Let's make
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: it sure.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: Well, it's not a national game, and if it's played
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: in Denver, it's not going to be at 11, so
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: what would you think?
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm thinking, yeah, because the Avs game is
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: at 5 against the Mammoth. That's why Connor can't be there.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: That's why I'm doing the game on radio on Sunday.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: The Avs play a preseason game this Sunday?
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: At 5 o'clock.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: I just done told you, they play a game in
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: two weeks. A regular season game in two weeks from today.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: I just done told you.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: It's got a great... Butter my butt and call me
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: a biscuit! Just got a great message from Nelly. Steve Nelson, producer.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Bo Nix had an average depth of target of 3.86
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: yards in week one. For reference, the average American watches
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: TV from about 3.67 yards away. So his average depth
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: of throw, just picture you sitting in front of your television,
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: and that's how far it was. Bo Nix.
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: Checking your remote at the TV.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: Checking your remote at the TV.
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: So the Avs game starts at 5.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: Correct. Yeah.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: It's already high. I know that they're back.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: I just done told you.
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: I know, but. Regular season, two weeks. It's just striking
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: to me, freaking me out.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: All right, 303, 504, 0925, back after this.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, yeah, uh, uh, yeah, uh. By the way,
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: you know where I got that?
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: Where you got what?
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, uh.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: I have no idea.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Tupac, man. Especially in California, love.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: I'm reading the text, and I can't believe how many
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: people watch sporting events without the announcers, just the natural sound.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: My dad, I think.
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: You guys are crazy.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: Well, hang on a second.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Hang on.
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: I think you guys are the weirdest people.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: Look, man, if I'm in week eight, or how about this?
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: I've watched, oh, I'd ballpark it at 50.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: To 60 Rockies games this year. And when I say watched,
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: I have the game on. I have my TV on mute.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: I might have another TV on something else, a TV show,
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: something like that, where I just kind of peek over.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: If it's a game I'm not like fully invested in, fine.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: I got 87 TVs at home.
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: I'm rich. Yeah, way to tell people you're rich.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: TVs are dirt cheap.
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: You can get a TV for like $ 6.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: Dude, I swear to God, me and my wife, what
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: were we just watching the other day? It was something
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: from like 25 years ago. They did an old clip
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: of somebody who was doing a live hit inside of
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: a Walmart. And behind the Walmart, it had a 32-inch television.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: You know how much it was? Back in like, this
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: had to be like early 2002. 500 bucks. It was $ 198.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: I'm like, you can get one of those.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: You can get a.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: 65-inch for $ 200 now. TVs have actually gotten way cheaper. Anyway,
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: so if I'm not actively watching a game or it's
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: not a game I'm really invested in, I can do that.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: But if it's Broncos Monday Night Football, the sound's on, okay?
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: We got the sound on.
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: Well, obviously, we're talking about games you're invested in. Otherwise,
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: what's the point? Obviously, you're at a party. There's a
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: game on. But there's nothing worse, in my opinion, than
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: going to a bar and a game is on and
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: you can't hear what's going on.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: That's pretty tough. I hate it. We talk about him
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: on this program from time to time, and he's been
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: on this program from time to time. But what's the— Brett Cain,
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: what's the craziest thing you know about Keith Mosier? My dad.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: He eats peanut butter and tuna fish sandwiches.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Pretty crazy, right? It's insane, actually. I got one more.
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: I got a couple.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: I got a better one. You ready for this? What,
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: that he had me? Pretty crazy.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: You are not his child.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I am. Hey, no, but here's one for you.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: He likes to watch the game with the TV on mute.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Like a football game. What's he doing?
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: What's the sound?
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: What's the sound that's happening?
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Nothing.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: It's just silence in the house. So here we tell me,
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: tell me that it's not weird.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: That's insane. That's insane behavior.
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: That is insanity.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: Uh, texture writes this in, we were just talking about this, uh,
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: the other day that guys like Brandon Perna, who now,
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: I don't know if he's part of like the NFL network.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Like I'm seeing he's making picks before the week starts,
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: but I've always wondered, do people watch like these, these
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: watch along broadcasts and have that sound on as opposed
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: to the actual sound. And it texture says, I usually
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: have Brandon Perna. on while watching the game because they're
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: way better than Vilma on, Jonathan Vilma on Fox. Now,
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: I know people that'll do this, Moj. They will, if
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: it's like a national TV game for the Avs, they'll
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: turn off, they'll turn the mute on the national broadcast
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: and turn on their app and listen to like McGahee
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: or something like that. That makes sense though because you're
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: still listening to game action with.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: A play-by-play guy.
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: You gotta sync it up.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. And it's your guy. You know, I mean, listen,
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: people say, hey, listen, but here's another one. Going from
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: motion crew for abs broadcast to the other dweebs later
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: in the playoffs is brutal.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: Vic, listen to this. A texture says, Keith Mosher also
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: watches abs games on music.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Why didn't we think about that?
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: In fact, that's what started the trend for Keith.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: Wait a minute, wait a minute.
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: That sound was actually Keith. It wasn't some Dallas Stars watcher.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: It was stupid abs feed.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: You remember that guy? The basement guy?
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. I hate these f * * * ing commentators, bro.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Didn't we bust him up and he got word that
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: we busted him up?
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: Oh, and then he had another clip the next day.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, then he reacted to it on his show. What
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: did he say?
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: He actually laughed at us. I think it was a
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: pretty good sport.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Okay, but before we're done.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: I want to bring back the stat here in a second,
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: so make this quick.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: You guys need to get your survival pool picks in.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: You're the only one who lost. You're done. Nelly lost, too.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: If Nelly's back in, then I'm back in.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: No, do we want a consolation bracket for Nelly and Moj?
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they got their own little race going.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Well, let me tell you.
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: They lost first week.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: You guys' biggest loser. Who's going to finish last?
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: I was bored during a commercial break last week. And
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: so I was kind of going through my fantasy hockey
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: and all this kind of thing. And it said ESPN
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Survivor Pool.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: Jump in.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, maybe I'll do that. Because we were
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: talking about Survivor Pool. And who did I pick?
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: This week?
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: No, last week.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: The Chargers. The Chargers.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: You know how many people? 248,900 people were eliminated by
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: picking the Chargers last week.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: And guess who's still standing?
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: Hang on, hang on. I agreed with you when you
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: made that call. I did.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Second was the Titans. That was Nelly's pick at 44,000.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Why would you pick the Titans? I don't know.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: And I had to emphasize the second team.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Then, hang on.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: I just think we're very made right now.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Then the Cowboys were third at 38,000. So you can
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: see the Chargers were by far number one. Then the
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Broncos were fourth at 35,900. Why would the Broncos be fourth? No,
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: you're picking the Broncos to survive.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: No, I know, but why wouldn't?
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: I can't remember.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: Who did me and Vic pick? Was it the Jags?
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you guys picked the Jags. We took Jags over
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: the Browns.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Because obviously.
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: Oh, I've already got my pick. I know my pick.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, we'll wait for it.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: Wait for it. That's over tomorrow. You guys can pick
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: your little loser bracket things, whatever you guys want to do.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: Just quickly, the stat again. I want to leave you
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: guys with this because I think this is important. To
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: all the Bo Nix discussions that are going to be
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: had on these airwaves and everywhere else today. Bo Nix
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: played terrible. Was not, as you would call, especial.
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: In Monday Night Football. What's the opposite in Spanish?
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: Bonics es especial. I have one word in Spanish that
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: I can't say on the air.
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: Basura. You could say that. Basura.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: Bonics es basura. God, I know a lot of.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: Bonics es basura. I don't think I can say any
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: of these. There's an S word that I know in
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: Spanish that I really want to say, but I can't.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: And I don't know the FCC rules around saying things
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: not in English, but I'm pretty sure you can't.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: I got a P word. No, basura is good.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: Trash. Bonics es normal.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: So.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: I want to give you guys this, just so you know.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Bo Nix struggles early in seasons. It's a common theme.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: He's done that. His week one against the Chiefs was
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: the same week one that he had against the Titans
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: last year, which was the same one he had against
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: the Seahawks his rookie year. Their stats are almost identical.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: Multiple turnovers, under 200 yards passing, really bad. Sean Payton's
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: record in September, his entire coaching career, has been mid-500.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: And so I went back and I looked at Drew Brees.
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: What does Hall of Famer Drew Brees' career look like
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: in the month of September, spending most of it with
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: Sean Payton? He's 29 and 33. 29 and 33 in
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: his Hall of Fame career in the month of September.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: But is he the reason that they're 29 and 33?
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: The results are the results.
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the numbers are the numbers, Moshe. You're the numbers
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: guy this morning. You're the one who goes to your
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: stupid numbers machine.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Well, Brett, when the Lions were stinking, how often was
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: it that Matt Stafford was the reason they lost?
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: Sometimes, and sometimes it wasn't.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: I honestly believe.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: If they ever won, he was probably the reason.
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: True. This is my takeaway. Week one of the Broncos season.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: I honestly believe they know they're going to start off slowly.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: Peyton knows this. Sean Peyton has done this. He's willing
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: to sacrifice early season games as long as his team
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: gets better and peaks.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: At the right time. He better not this year, man, because.
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: I'm telling you what I believe.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: He better not this year. Look, I'm not saying 0-6.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: I think that's impossible. But God, if they skirt out
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: to a 2-4, that's going to be hard, bro. Well,
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: of course. I'm telling you, the Ravens are back.
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: The schedule makes this different. For sure it does.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: The Ravens are... Just go down the friggin' AFC, bro.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: You tell me who's going to be out? You tell me. Buffalo, no.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Is Baltimore going to be... No. Maybe the Steelers, but
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: they trade. Jacksonville, we'll see what they do this weekend, but...
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: I think they're going to win that division. You know,
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, you've got teams that are going to respond
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: and rebound. Cincinnati may be one of those teams. Their
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: defense was better, but I can guarantee you that Joe
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Burrow and company are going to, they put up 33
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: points against a Buccaneers team that's pretty good and did
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: it like nothing.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: And to take it a step further, just one more
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: thing for you. Drew Brees in the first four weeks
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: of the season, so forget September, just the first quarter
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: of the season, had a record of 38 and 35
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: in his career. They are just notorious slow starters under
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: Sean Payton. Whether it's Drew Brees, whether it's Bo Nix,
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: whether it's Jameis Winston, Trevor Simeon, Teddy Bridgewater, it doesn't matter.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: That's just what happens under Sean Payton coached teams. And
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: it's why I think when you go back and listen
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: to the postgame audio, Sean Payton didn't seem as upset
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: as you would have imagined after a game like that, correct?
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: Seemed actually pretty calm about it. And I think he
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: knows it. So with that, fact checker, please.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Nelly monitors the mistakes in today's Fact Checker.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Fact Checker. Presented by Backus & Shanker.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Serious lawyers for the seriously injured.
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: So regarding watching sporting events with the commentary or without
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: the commentary or which feed you choose, I want to
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: take it a step farther. The Sugarland Space Cowboys, who
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: are the AAA affiliate of the Houston Astros, had a
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: theme night back in August.
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: And that theme.
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: was nothing. No music, no on-field promotions, no videos, no frills.
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: Literally just baseball.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: Raw dog in a baseball game?
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: Would you be a fan of raw dog in a
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: baseball game? No.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: Part of the fun of going to the park, you
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: got the Oregon plan, you got a whole bunch of different,
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: let's fill the cup of foam in the middle of
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: the third inning.
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: That's the opposite of what the Savannah Bananas are doing
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: to your face during the game.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: I don't want to go back to the Rockies unless
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: they bring back my favorite in between anything of all time.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: That was pulling Mrs. Smith out of the stands to
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: have her catch fly balls out of the machine.
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: You'd like that, wouldn't you?
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Having it bonker on the head.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: You know what I always thought was weird? I see
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: this more at minor league games than major league games,
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: but when they bring a couple from the stands, two couples,
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: and they have to thrust a balloon to pop against
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: each other, it was always a weird thing.
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: By the way, I have a great idea. Rather than,
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: you know, we're seeing a lot of these at games,
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: marriage proposals, let's have divorce court at games.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: It's a thought.
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: Like, actually go through the whole divorce court.
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: I'm standing here with John Smith. John, what do you
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: do for a living?
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: That's great.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: You've been served.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: Anyway, 303-504-0925.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: Catch the podcast, iTunes, Spotify. Mojo Lombardi and Kane, if
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: you missed any of the show. Tomorrow, we'll have Chad Brown,
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: we'll have Jeff Laywald get their perspectives on not just
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: the Broncos game from over the weekend, but the NFL
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: and college football in general. And then, keep in mind,
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: Thursday night football viewing party, Lions-Bills. DMACC's going to be
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: at Stoney's Uptown to watch it with you. So come out,
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: grab a seat, catch the Lions-Bills with DMACC tomorrow night
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: at Stoney's. Have a wonderful Wednesday. We'll talk to you tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: Love you. See you.