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Mega Edition: A Deep Dive Into The Relationship Between Jeffrey Epstein And Les Wexner (1-2) (7/26/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: Let's jump into this Vanity Fair article and let's do
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Speaker 1: part one today roughly, not like I said thirty minutes
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Speaker 1: or so. And let's see what the author, Gabriel Sherman
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Speaker 1: has come up with headline, the Mogul and the monster
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Speaker 1: inside Jeffrey Epstein's decades long relationship with his biggest client.
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Speaker 1: Now again, remember, for those of us who have been
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Speaker 1: following this case rabidly the way we have been, there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff we all know already, but
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Speaker 1: it's nice to see it in print. It's nice to
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Speaker 1: see one of these legacy outlets diving in and doing
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Speaker 1: their job and not leaving it to the handful of
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Speaker 1: content creators who actually have a clue about what's going on.
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Speaker 1: In the fall of nineteen eighty two, a money manager
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Speaker 1: named Harold Levine got a phone call that would change
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Speaker 1: his life. A lawyer representing Leslie H. Wexner, the founder
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Speaker 1: and CEO of the women's apparel retailer The Limited, said
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Speaker 1: Wexner was looking for a financial advisor. Would Levin be interested.
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Speaker 1: Levin most certainly was in Columbus, Ohio, where Levin lived.
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Speaker 1: Wexner was a legend. Wexner grew the Limited from a
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Speaker 1: single Columbus store into a global retail empire that included
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Speaker 1: mall fixtures, Abercrombie and Fitch, Victorious Secret, and Bath and
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Speaker 1: body Works. Now, there's no doubt, we can't even begin
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Speaker 1: to doubt that what Les Wexner built was pretty magnificent
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Speaker 1: as far as a retail empire goes. And kudos for that, right,
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Speaker 1: But that's where it stops. Everything else that I know
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Speaker 1: about this man, everything else that he did, everything else
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Speaker 1: he was involved in, is pretty much reprehensible, to be
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Speaker 1: honest with you. And the way that he conducts himself
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Speaker 1: and the way he controls things down in Ohio like
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Speaker 1: it's his own little fifedom and he is this feudal
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Speaker 1: leader that can call his banners whenever he wishes is
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Speaker 1: disgusting and disturbing. You would think that there would be
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Speaker 1: a lot more interest into what less Wexner was in
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Speaker 1: his home base of Ohio. Levigne landed the job after
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Speaker 1: six months of grueling interviews. He wasn't making Masters of
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Speaker 1: the Universe money. Wexner paid a salary of two hundred
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Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars a year. Damn two hundred and
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Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars a year in nineteen eighty two. Not
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Speaker 1: Masters of the Universe money, but big money, no doubt.
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Speaker 1: I mean, just take a look back at what the
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Speaker 1: prices were in nineteen eighty two and what the cost
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Speaker 1: of living was. Two hundred and fifty thousand dollars goes
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Speaker 1: a damn long way, folks. Wexner paid a salary of
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Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year, but it
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Speaker 1: wasn't enough for Levin Levin to move his family into
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Speaker 1: a six thousand square foot house across the street from
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Speaker 1: Wexner in Bexley, Columbus's most exclusive suburb. So this gentleman
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Speaker 1: who ended up working as a financial advisor for Les
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Speaker 1: Wexner not only worked for Les Wexner, but he lived
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Speaker 1: right across the street from him. So this is one
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Speaker 1: of the guys that was with Les Wexner for quite
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Speaker 1: some time, somebody who knew him, knew him personally, and
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Speaker 1: somebody who worked with him before and during the whole
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Speaker 1: entire Epstein escapade. So this is good work finding this
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Speaker 1: gentleman to talk to and adding this story to the catalog,
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Speaker 1: because again, look, folks, there are so many levers to
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Speaker 1: this so I mean levels to this, so many different
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Speaker 1: chambers in the warrant that if you don't explore everything,
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Speaker 1: then you're not going to understand anything. By nineteen eighty six,
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Speaker 1: Wexner ranked six on the Forbes four hundred list of
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Speaker 1: richest Americans, with a net worth estimated at one point
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Speaker 1: four billion dollars. In New York, I had bankers constantly
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Speaker 1: taking me out to dinner, Levin told me. Once a
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Speaker 1: banker arranged a private tour of Le Bernardine. The kitchen
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Speaker 1: was so clean you could eat off the floor, Levin remembered.
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Speaker 1: So I'm guessing that Lay Bernardine was some kind of
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Speaker 1: a haughty, towdy, fancy restaurant in New York back in
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Speaker 1: the day. I'm not too familiar with it, never heard
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Speaker 1: of it. But then again, it's not like I'm some
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Speaker 1: you know, fine dining establishment expert. You know, I like
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Speaker 1: a nice steakhouse as much as the next guy, like me,
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Speaker 1: a great Italian joint as much as the next guy.
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Speaker 1: But as far as you know, knowing the top chefs
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Speaker 1: in the business and all of that stuff, no idea.
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Speaker 1: I know guys that are on the show Top Chef maybe,
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Speaker 1: But besides that certainly not some sort of food critic.
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Speaker 1: But I guess this is a big deal considering. Levine
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Speaker 1: was pretty impressed. He remembered Wexner entrusted Levin Levin with
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Speaker 1: increasingly ambitious projects. Starting in the mid nineteen eighties, Levin
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Speaker 1: purchased thousands of acres of farmland in New Albany population
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Speaker 1: four hundred and fourteen, on the outskirts of Columbus, where
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Speaker 1: Wexner planned to build his very own town modeled on
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Speaker 1: an eighteenth century Georgian village. Less sent me to Richmond,
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Speaker 1: Virginia to look at architecture he wanted to copy. Levin said,
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Speaker 1: so again, this is at the very beginning, right when
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Speaker 1: Les Wexner was first building up his empire. Levin was
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Speaker 1: there riding shotgun as an advisor, as a basically Jeffrey,
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Speaker 1: I mean Less, Wexner's right hand man, taking care of
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Speaker 1: what needs to be taken care of, going out looking
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Speaker 1: at the architecture plans. You know, that's a confidant, right, folks,
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Speaker 1: that's somebody that's around you. You're breaking bread with them,
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Speaker 1: their families, hanging out with your family, and it's more
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Speaker 1: than just oh this is my employee and That's what
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Speaker 1: happens a lot of times with these powerful men. They
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Speaker 1: get themselves a right hand man or a woman, and
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Speaker 1: that person becomes integral to everything they do. And that's
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Speaker 1: what Levin was for Les Wexner. On one of Levin's
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Speaker 1: trips to New York in nineteen eighty nine, Wexner asked
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Speaker 1: him to meet a brilliant young financier who wanted to
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Speaker 1: pitch an investment opportunity. So this is Levin's first meeting.
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Speaker 1: First experience with Jeffrey Epstein was in nineteen eighty nine,
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Speaker 1: when his then boss, Les Wexner wanted to introduce them.
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Speaker 1: Levin never heard of the man Jeffrey Epstein, which was odd.
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Speaker 1: After working for Wexner for seven years, Levin knew virtually
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Speaker 1: every player on Wall Street. A few months earlier, Levin
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Speaker 1: says he met with Ivan Bowski. Levin's skepticism was confirmed
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Speaker 1: as soon as he arrived at Epstein's Madison Avenue office.
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Speaker 1: There were no visible signs of a trading operation, just
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Speaker 1: Epstein sitting behind a desk that didn't even have a computer.
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Speaker 1: So the grift was on even then, folks. And it
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Speaker 1: begs the question, why would somebody like Les Wexner get
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Speaker 1: involved with somebody like Jeffrey Epstein with no Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 1: who had no sort of credibility in the industry, no
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Speaker 1: sort of contacts, no sort of track record, just some
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Speaker 1: guys sitting behind the desk, and Les Wexner, who is
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Speaker 1: the mogul of this huge business empire, is going to
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Speaker 1: get in business with them. And not only that, but
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Speaker 1: nobody on the street even really knows who Jeffrey Epstein is.
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Speaker 1: And this is the guy who Less Wexner decides to
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Speaker 1: park his money with. This is the man Wexner decides
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Speaker 1: to give the keys to the castle. Why that is
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Speaker 1: the real question. Nobody's been able to answer it. Oh,
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Speaker 1: of course, You've had people who have, you know, shout
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Speaker 1: out some hypothesises on what's going on, or some guesses
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Speaker 1: and some speculation, but nobody's really been able to hammer
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Speaker 1: down the nexus of this relationship. And that is an
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Speaker 1: ongoing theme until we get to that point and we
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Speaker 1: figure out how Wexner and Epstein truly came into contact,
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Speaker 1: how they really became buddies. The rest of it's going
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Speaker 1: to be a bit muddled. Epstein was trying to explain
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Speaker 1: a currency trade he wanted to do. I have an
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Speaker 1: MBA from the Ohio State, and I didn't understand the
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Speaker 1: word the man said. Levin recalled. Levin went back to
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Speaker 1: Columbus and reported that Epstein was a fraud. I told
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Speaker 1: Les stay away from him. Levin remembered. Wexner agreed not
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Speaker 1: to do the trade. So Wexner had his right Levin
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Speaker 1: down there taking a look meeting Epstein, doing an intro,
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Speaker 1: getting an idea of who the guy is. Comes back
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Speaker 1: after one sesshon and says, look, oh, boy is a fraud.
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Speaker 1: You shouldn't get in business with him. Less stay away
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Speaker 1: from him. He has no idea what he's doing. He
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Speaker 1: is not a real financial advisor. So what does Les
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Speaker 1: Wexner do? And all of his infinite brilliance hops right
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Speaker 1: into bed with Jeffrey Epstein. So again when we talk
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Speaker 1: about the relationship that Epstein built with Wexner or these
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Speaker 1: other people, and people try and pitch that oh they
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Speaker 1: had no idea, Well what Epstein was, I say, absolute bs.
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Speaker 1: I don't buy it for a minute. The warning signs
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Speaker 1: were there. He was warned by his own guy Levin,
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Speaker 1: And I'm sure there were a bunch of other people
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Speaker 1: that warned them as well, just like Bill Gates's wife
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Speaker 1: warned him. Levin was shocked when Epstein showed up in
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Speaker 1: Columbus a few months later and announced Wexner had put
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Speaker 1: him in charge of his finances. Levin tried to protest,
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Speaker 1: but says Wexner wouldn't take his calls. Levin couldn't stand
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Speaker 1: having Epstein as a boss. He was an asshole, the
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Speaker 1: most arrogant person I ever met, Levin recalled. A few
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Speaker 1: months later, Levin quit. So whatever happened, whatever transpired right
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Speaker 1: in those few months between the meeting between Levin and
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Speaker 1: Epstein and then Epstein and Wexner, whatever happened in that
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Speaker 1: small period of time was enough to knock Levin off
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Speaker 1: of the chest board and firmly plant Epstein upon it.
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Speaker 1: Now I think those few months are crucial. I think
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Speaker 1: we need to find out what happened in those few months.
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Speaker 1: What sort of compromant does Epstein have on Wexner? Is
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Speaker 1: one avenue were they working in tandem? Certainly another avenue,
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Speaker 1: Levin said, Epstein taunted him on his way out. On
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Speaker 1: my last day, Epstein walked into my office and held
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Speaker 1: up a piece of paper. He bragged that Less had
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Speaker 1: given him power of attorney over his money. What is
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Speaker 1: this the movie with Matt Damon and Ben Afflack Goodwill
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Speaker 1: Hunting where he gets the girl's phone number and then
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Speaker 1: goes up and puts it on the window afterwards. You
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Speaker 1: like apples? How about them apples? Is that basically what
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Speaker 1: Epstein was doing. I'm trying to rub it in here.
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Speaker 1: So not only that right, not only is rubbing it in,
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Speaker 1: but he is now in charge of the whole entire operation. Folks.
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Speaker 1: All of Wexner's money goes through Epstein at this point.
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Speaker 1: Epstein's the man, He's the king, he is the prince
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Speaker 1: of Ohio at this point. And for Levin he wasn't
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Speaker 1: having it. See you later. I'm not working for this douche.
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Speaker 1: This guy's a fraud. He's an asshole. And I warned
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Speaker 1: you Less Wexner. I worked for Less for seven years,
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Speaker 1: and I never had general power of attorney, Levin, said Epstein.
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Speaker 1: Levin continued even ordered him to surrender equity in Wexner's
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Speaker 1: town project, likely costing Levin millions. Epstein basically said, if
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Speaker 1: you want, you can fight it out, but I have
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Speaker 1: a lot of lawyers and I'll make sure it costs
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Speaker 1: you a fortune. Yeah. Well, right there. Again. When we
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Speaker 1: go through this stuff, folks, and we read these articles,
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Speaker 1: sometimes we get some nuggets, right, things that confirm other
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Speaker 1: things we might have thought. Stuff like that. And when
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Speaker 1: you hear Epstein out of his own mouth talk about
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Speaker 1: how he has a lot of lawyers and he'll make
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Speaker 1: it cost you a fortune, it shows you the strategy
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Speaker 1: that they used when it came to civil suits, when
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Speaker 1: it came to accusations from survivors, what they would do
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Speaker 1: is parayed out their lawyers and army of them, and
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Speaker 1: an unlimited amount of dark money pumped into their bank accounts,
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Speaker 1: and then they'd go on to thrash you in the
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Speaker 1: legal system, because, as we all know, the legal system
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Speaker 1: is corrupt as well. Levin's life unraveled. He couldn't find
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Speaker 1: a job. Friends told him Epstein was spreading rumors around
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Speaker 1: Columbus and on Wall Street that Wexner had fired him
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Speaker 1: for misappropriating funds. His wife filed for a divorce, Levin said,
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Speaker 1: and was granted custody of their children. I had a
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Speaker 1: nervous breakdown. I was living out of my car for
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Speaker 1: a while, Levin said, he applied for jobs using computers
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Speaker 1: at the library and showered at state parks. Epstein ruined
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Speaker 1: my life. I lost everything, Levin said. So, Look, Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Epstein was just a straight up monstrous individual. He didn't
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Speaker 1: care about anybody. He was willing to destroy anybody who
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Speaker 1: got in his way, anybody who he thought was an impediment,
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Speaker 1: and most certainly willing to destroy anybody if it meant
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Speaker 1: a little bit more money, a little bit more power,
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Speaker 1: and certainly if it meant more information, and if Levin
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Speaker 1: had to be the person being destroyed, then so be it.
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Speaker 1: Whatever it took to get closer to Wexner, whatever it
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Speaker 1: took to really get into Wexner's year, that was what
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein was willing to do. Two years after guards
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Speaker 1: discovered Epstein's unconscious Epstein unconscious in his Manhattan prison cell,
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Speaker 1: the pedophile's life and mysterious death remained a subject of
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Speaker 1: fevered speculation and conspiracy. Theorizing was that I've steen an
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Speaker 1: intelligence asset, a debased financial genius, a sociopath con man
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Speaker 1: who fleeced billionaires and politicians with sexual blackmail, all of that. Honestly, look,
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Speaker 1: let's be real. The first, Uh, the first question, was
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Speaker 1: he an intelligence agent? I don't know about an agent.
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Speaker 1: I've said that, and I've been pretty clear with how
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Speaker 1: I feel. An asset is what I feel, right, I
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Speaker 1: think that Epstein was an asset being run in one
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Speaker 1: way or the other by the intelligence apparatus. Definitely think
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Speaker 1: that that was a part of it. Debased financial genius,
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Speaker 1: nah No, not a genius debased for sure, But I
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Speaker 1: don't mean financially. A sociopathic con man who fleeced billionaires
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Speaker 1: and politicians with sexual blackmail, for sure. Definitely that. So
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Speaker 1: the author of this article, mister Gabriel, is definitely on
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Speaker 1: the right path in a search for answers. I spent
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Speaker 1: the past six months investigating the Epstein mystery that could
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Speaker 1: unlock others. How did he get his money? I appreciate
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Speaker 1: the six months of invested time hare Pal, but six months, Huh,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna be playing catch up unfortunately, because six months
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Speaker 1: in this case is just a drop in the bucket.
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Speaker 1: There are that many rabbit holes, there are that many
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Speaker 1: different warrens in chambers, and every time you pull on
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Speaker 1: one thread, another one pops up. For it was Epstein's
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Speaker 1: half billion dollar fortune that enabled him to sexually abuse
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Speaker 1: in traffic hundreds of girls on multiple continents. There's no
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Speaker 1: question that Epstein could not have done what he did
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Speaker 1: without the support of people that provided him money. Set
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Speaker 1: attorney David Boyce, whose firm represents numerous Epstein accusers, including
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Speaker 1: Virginia Roberts. Yeah, and that's just obvious, right. We don't
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Speaker 1: need David Boys to tell us that you can't do
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Speaker 1: something like this on your own. This is a whole
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Speaker 1: group of people involved, the whole entire situation unfolding with
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Speaker 1: many moving parts. That's why it's obviously a Rico conspiracy.
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Speaker 1: For some reason or another, our fantastic government hasn't went
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Speaker 1: down that route. But this is obviously intercontinental conspiracy. And
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Speaker 1: I don't mean conspiracy theory. Okay, we've passed that this
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Speaker 1: is to the cover up phase at this point. But
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Speaker 1: David Boys, he's spot on. There's no way that Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Epstein could have done this by himself. He had help.
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Speaker 1: We know he had help, and we even have the
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Speaker 1: names court documented of the people that allegedly were doing
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Speaker 1: the helping. All we're waiting for now are the indictments.
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Speaker 1: Epstein burnished his own myth telling people preposterously that he
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Speaker 1: only accepted clients with assets of one billion dollars or more.
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Speaker 1: But until recently, epstein only publicly named client was Wexner.
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Speaker 1: When I asked Jeffrey who else he worked with, He'd say,
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Speaker 1: I can't talk about it. An Epstein friend recalled, Look,
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Speaker 1: we know Lean Black, we know Jess Staley, we know
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Speaker 1: Les Wexner, and we know that there was probably a
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Speaker 1: shit ton more. Those are only the only ones that we,
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Speaker 1: you know, we have on WAX so far. Those are
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Speaker 1: the ones that we can document so far, but I'm
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Speaker 1: sure there are a ton of other people that were involved.
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Speaker 1: Wexner paid Epstein's predecessor about six hundred thousand dollars a
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Speaker 1: year in today's dollars. Epstein, a former high school math
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Speaker 1: teacher from Coney Island, Brooklyn, was worth a report at
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Speaker 1: five hundred and fifty nine million. His estate included a
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Speaker 1: fifty one thousand square foot Manhattan townhouse bought from Wexner,
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Speaker 1: a private jet formerly owned by the limited Wexner and
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Speaker 1: a helicopter, a Caribbean island, a Paris apartment, a Palm
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Speaker 1: Beach mansion, and a ten thousand acre New Mexico ranch,
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Speaker 1: which still hasn't been rated, by the way, which nobody
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Speaker 1: has showed up at to kick in the door. Nobody's
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Speaker 1: waved in a four to four. Nobody's done anything of
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Speaker 1: the sort. Meanwhile, none of these legacy media outlets have
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Speaker 1: any questions about that. None of these hard charging reporters
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Speaker 1: over at the New York Times have anything to say
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Speaker 1: about that. Oh, they shared a lot to say about
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Speaker 1: Gary Webb. Oh they had a lot to say about that. Right.
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Speaker 1: Epstein's Brothers real estate company also had the majority ownership
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Speaker 1: of a Manhattan condo building on East sixty sixth Street
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Speaker 1: where Epstein allegedly housed girls. The building was formerly owned
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Speaker 1: by Wexner. Prosecutors say that Epstein built his vast sex
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Speaker 1: trafficking ring throughout the nineties and early eighties. In other words,
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Speaker 1: Epstein became Epstein during his long association with Wexner. All right, folks,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna wrap it up for the first part of
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Speaker 1: this article. Right there seems like a good place to segue.
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Speaker 1: We'll be able to pick up for part two of
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Speaker 1: this later on and continue on with this conversation. But
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Speaker 1: as you see already from the very beginning, the author
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Speaker 1: of this article is putting the pieces together that we
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Speaker 1: have all had put together for quite some time. But
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Speaker 1: the good thing is Vanity Fair has a much much
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Speaker 1: longer reas each than I could ever hope to have.
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Speaker 1: So good on you, Gabriel, the author of the article,
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Speaker 1: for stepping up to the plate and at least attempting
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Speaker 1: to bring the facts to the people, because many of
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Speaker 1: your colleagues haven't had the courage to do the same.
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Speaker 1: So props for that for sure. As for the rest
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Speaker 1: of this article, well, we're gonna pick it up and
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Speaker 1: we're gonna have the next episode tomorrow morning for the
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Speaker 1: morning update. All right, If you'd like to contact me,
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Speaker 1: you can do that at Bobby Kapuchi at ProtonMail dot com.
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Speaker 1: of the links that go with this episode can be
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Speaker 1: found in the description box. On today's episode, we're going
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Speaker 1: to continue discussing the Vanity Fair article profiling the relationship
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Speaker 1: between Jeffrey Epstein and Les Wexner. This article was published
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Speaker 1: by Vanity Fair and the author of this article is
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Speaker 1: Gabriel Sherman. When Epstein pleaded guilty to two counts, including
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Speaker 1: soliciting a minor for prostitution in Palm Beach in June
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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight and registered as a Level three
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Speaker 1: sex offender in New York, Wexner refused to discuss him.
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Speaker 1: Of course he did. Why would Wexner want to talk
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Speaker 1: about Jeffrey Epstein, a Level three sex offender, by the way,
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Speaker 1: who he is still buddies with, who he is still
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Speaker 1: paling around with, who he still has business dealings with,
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Speaker 1: and who had the keys to his whole entire kingdom.
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Speaker 1: Why would he want to talk about that? The real
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Speaker 1: question is, though, why didn't the legacy media press him correctly? Oh,
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Speaker 1: we know that when the legacy media wants to be
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Speaker 1: a thorn in your side, they most certainly can. And
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Speaker 1: when they don't want to be a thorn in your side,
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Speaker 1: well you have to ask yourself why you don't think
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Speaker 1: an x bose unless Wexner would move papers, you don't
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Speaker 1: think an x bose on the relationship revealing how deep
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Speaker 1: and how dark it was between Wexner and Epstein, wouldn't
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Speaker 1: move units in any other circumstance, the legacy media would
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Speaker 1: be digging in. But you haven't seen much of that,
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Speaker 1: have you. In twenty nineteen, a Wexner spokesman told The
23:55
Speaker 1: Washington Post that the Wexner's had severed all ties with
23:58
Speaker 1: Epstein in two thousand and seven. They condemned Epstein's actions.
24:03
Speaker 1: The spokesman said it was only after Epstein died that
24:07
Speaker 1: Wexner described their relationship, and even then in opaque terms.
24:12
Speaker 1: For sure, Wexner has never been forthcoming about his relationship
24:18
Speaker 1: with Epstein and what occurred in New Albany at his property.
24:24
Speaker 1: According to Maria, how has he gotten away with all
24:27
Speaker 1: of this? If that was to occur these days, someone
24:33
Speaker 1: came out and said that they were locked in insert
24:36
Speaker 1: billionaire's mansion here, you would think there'd be a hubbub
24:40
Speaker 1: about it, right, But for decades and decades and decades,
24:45
Speaker 1: the legacy media laid cover for people like Les Wexner.
24:52
Speaker 1: There's a big problem, folks, when a handful of people
24:57
Speaker 1: control all of the media in the country, hell in
25:00
Speaker 1: the world. It was only after Epstein died that Wexner
25:10
Speaker 1: described their relationship, and even then in opaque terms. In
25:15
Speaker 1: Wexner's telling he was another Epstein victim preyed upon by
25:18
Speaker 1: a devious mastermind, and it was calculated that he didn't
25:23
Speaker 1: discuss Epstein while he was alive, Right, why would he
25:27
Speaker 1: bring Epstein up while Epstein's alive? Considering the length of
25:31
Speaker 1: their friendship, you would think that Epstein most certainly has
25:35
Speaker 1: some compromant on less Wexner, or had at the very least,
25:41
Speaker 1: and that would keep less Wexner definitely cowed and silent
25:45
Speaker 1: for sure. Then you get into the you know, all
25:53
Speaker 1: of the questions, what other sort of dealings were these
25:56
Speaker 1: guys engaging in, what sort of financial crimes were committed?
26:00
Speaker 1: So you have, you know, a whole entire smorgas board
26:06
Speaker 1: of potential crimes committed between these two knuckleheads. So it
26:10
Speaker 1: doesn't shock me for a minute that Wexner was always
26:13
Speaker 1: so mum about Jeffrey Epstein and then Jeffrey Epstein dies
26:18
Speaker 1: and now, well, oh well we have a statement now,
26:20
Speaker 1: of course we do. It's so transparent when you look
26:24
Speaker 1: at it, when you take a look from the cheap seats,
26:28
Speaker 1: right when you're looking at it from the bleachers perhaps,
26:31
Speaker 1: and you're looking down and you're watching it all unfold
26:33
Speaker 1: It's very transparent that all of these guys were connected,
26:38
Speaker 1: and the connections ran so much deeper than was ever
26:42
Speaker 1: let on. Being taken advantage of by someone who is
26:48
Speaker 1: so sick, so cunning, so depraved is something that I'm
26:52
Speaker 1: embarrassed that I was even close to, Wexner said during
26:55
Speaker 1: a speech in September twenty nineteen. In a letter to
26:59
Speaker 1: his charitable foundation, around this time, Wexner claimed Epstein had
27:03
Speaker 1: misappropriated vast sums of money from me and my family.
27:08
Speaker 1: Epstein reportedly transferred back nearly forty seven million dollars to
27:13
Speaker 1: a Wexner controlled charity fund in two thousand and eight.
27:18
Speaker 1: You know all of that stuff, none of it's been explained, right,
27:23
Speaker 1: And to just level it as, oh, yeah, well forty
27:26
Speaker 1: seven million was transferred back, No big deal. You don't
27:29
Speaker 1: go to the cops. Someone gets you for forty seven
27:32
Speaker 1: million dollars and you don't go to the police. You're
27:35
Speaker 1: less Wexner, mister big shot, mister Abercrombie and Fitch and
27:40
Speaker 1: victorious secret mister feudal lord of Ohio himself, and you
27:49
Speaker 1: let this dude snatch your bag like that. Yeah right,
27:53
Speaker 1: I don't buy it for a second, I don't buy
27:55
Speaker 1: it for one single second. In fact, I'm gonna go
28:01
Speaker 1: out on a limb here, and I'm gonna speculate, because
28:04
Speaker 1: I don't have any evidence of this, but I'm going
28:06
Speaker 1: to speculate that that money was given to Wexner's charity
28:12
Speaker 1: from Jeffrey Epstein sort of as a cover. Right. Oh yeah, Well,
28:17
Speaker 1: if things go south, we could say that he embezzles
28:21
Speaker 1: money from us, or he stole money from us, and
28:23
Speaker 1: we have this whole story concocted. And I know, again,
28:28
Speaker 1: it sounds cynical, right, and it sounds almost like we're
28:32
Speaker 1: rock and tinfoil hats and shit. But when you look
28:36
Speaker 1: at the way these people conduct themselves, you look at
28:39
Speaker 1: their psyche and their mo they always have interwoven plots
28:46
Speaker 1: inside of their schemes, and they're always looking forward to
28:53
Speaker 1: the future on how they're going to avoid getting caught
28:57
Speaker 1: up in this mess if things go south. And you
28:59
Speaker 1: see that with all the charitable stuff as well. You see,
29:04
Speaker 1: once the curtains pulled back a little bit and you've
29:07
Speaker 1: had a chance to peek into the dark, disgusting room
29:11
Speaker 1: that's inhabited by these people, there's no going back, right,
29:15
Speaker 1: It's like when Morpheus gives Neo the choice to take
29:20
Speaker 1: the blue pill or the red pill. Once you've taken
29:24
Speaker 1: a look behind the curtain, folks, there's just no going
29:26
Speaker 1: back to sleep. These people, they're devious, they're sick, and
29:31
Speaker 1: they don't give one rip about you, your family, your
29:35
Speaker 1: loved ones, or anything besides their own power and their
29:40
Speaker 1: own chase of more wealth. That's all they care about.
29:46
Speaker 1: But Wexner's belated attempts to explain himself only raise more questions. Why,
29:52
Speaker 1: for instance, did Wexner not report Epstein's alleged forty seven
29:56
Speaker 1: million dollar theft to the FBI, like I just stated
30:00
Speaker 1: earlier a second ago. I mean, come on, forty seven million.
30:03
Speaker 1: You don't call the FBI, You don't call whoever the
30:06
Speaker 1: head of your own security apparatus for your company is.
30:11
Speaker 1: You don't reach out to one of the congressmen who
30:15
Speaker 1: you've donated a ka trillion dollars to. You don't do
30:19
Speaker 1: none of that over forty seven million dollars. I don't
30:22
Speaker 1: care how rich you are, Getting beat for forty seven
30:25
Speaker 1: million dollars does not sound like a good time, And
30:29
Speaker 1: especially when you're dealing with somebody who's power hungry like
30:32
Speaker 1: Les Wesner. I guarantee you you would need a vice
30:38
Speaker 1: and a pride bar to remove one single penny from
30:42
Speaker 1: this guy's hand, never mind forty seven million dollars, and
30:49
Speaker 1: he doesn't go to the FBI. There's no recourse. No
30:55
Speaker 1: one even knows about it until Epstein dies. Huh, okay,
30:59
Speaker 1: sure right, Les Wexner, that all sounds like it's kosher.
31:07
Speaker 1: Or how could Wexner claim to be blindsided by Epstein's duplicitousness.
31:12
Speaker 1: I told Les I wouldn't trust Epstein to cross the street.
31:15
Speaker 1: Why are you trusting him with your money? We're called
31:17
Speaker 1: Jerry Merritt, a former Ohio State highway patrolman who served
31:22
Speaker 1: as the limited security chief for more than twenty five years.
31:25
Speaker 1: You know, I just was talking about their internal security, right,
31:29
Speaker 1: and here we are with this gentleman, Jerry Merritt, saying
31:32
Speaker 1: he wouldn't trust Epstein to cross the street. Never mind
31:36
Speaker 1: Park is money with him. So now you have two
31:39
Speaker 1: high ranking officials within less Wexner's own inner circle warning
31:45
Speaker 1: him against Jeffrey Epstein, against the relationship, and against the nonsense.
31:52
Speaker 1: What does Les Wexner do pals around with Epstein anyway.
31:56
Speaker 1: So again, remember these people have made their own beds.
32:00
Speaker 1: I feel no sympathy for any of these people that
32:03
Speaker 1: are being put on blast on this podcast. If you
32:06
Speaker 1: were mentioned in those court documents, if you were fingered
32:10
Speaker 1: by one of those survivors as somebody who abused them,
32:13
Speaker 1: you better expect an absolute barrage of coverage of your activity,
32:21
Speaker 1: at least here on this podcast. For the little bit
32:23
Speaker 1: that we can do, the little bit of reach that
32:25
Speaker 1: we have, everybody who listens to this podcast will understand
32:31
Speaker 1: very clearly who was participating in these alleged crimes. In
32:41
Speaker 1: reporting this article, I spoke to more than thirty people
32:44
Speaker 1: who had first hand encounters with Epstein or Wexner. Wexner,
32:49
Speaker 1: who announced he was stepping down from the board of
32:51
Speaker 1: his company in March, declined numerous interview requests. The story
32:56
Speaker 1: that emerged is a deeply strange one. Sources say Epstein
32:59
Speaker 1: ocupie different roles in Wesner's life depending on the audience.
33:04
Speaker 1: Jeffrey compartmentalized. He told you what you wanted to hear.
33:08
Speaker 1: Epstein's former lawyer, Alan Dershowitz told me, and ever the
33:13
Speaker 1: lawyer right. Dershowitz is very very careful anytime he mentions
33:18
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's name. He understands the stakes. He knows what
33:23
Speaker 1: he's up against. Even if he acts like he doesn't
33:26
Speaker 1: like it's no big deal, right, he knows the jeopardy
33:30
Speaker 1: that he finds himself in being embroiled in this case.
33:34
Speaker 1: And remember, let's be very clear, My problem with Dershowitz
33:38
Speaker 1: is not that he defended Jeffrey Epstein. Everybody who is
33:46
Speaker 1: indicted on a crime, who is alleged to commit a crime,
33:50
Speaker 1: deserves the best lawyer that they possibly can get. So
33:55
Speaker 1: my beef isn't that Dershowitz defends reprehensible people. There's a
34:00
Speaker 1: place for that. We got to have people that are
34:03
Speaker 1: willing to do that. My problem with Dershowitz is the
34:07
Speaker 1: other stuff. The fact that Virginia has named him, the
34:10
Speaker 1: fact that he is obviously not being completely truthful about
34:15
Speaker 1: his relationship with Epstein, the fact that he got a
34:18
Speaker 1: massage over at Epstein's house, but he kept his underpants on,
34:22
Speaker 1: so that's cool, right. All of those things are the
34:25
Speaker 1: reasons I have beef with Alan Dershowitz. Now again, I
34:29
Speaker 1: don't speak for anybody else. I only speak for myself.
34:32
Speaker 1: But I don't think you need to worry about who
34:37
Speaker 1: the guy defends. If you want to think that Dershowitz
34:40
Speaker 1: is a reprehensible human being, just take a look at
34:43
Speaker 1: the other things he engages in. Epstein sometimes betrayed himself
34:51
Speaker 1: as a surrogate son to a lonely billionaire. He told
34:55
Speaker 1: some people he was Wexner's fixer. Dershowitz said that he
34:58
Speaker 1: became Epstein's criminal lawy in two thousand and seven. Epstein
35:02
Speaker 1: boasted that Wexner would not testify against him, whatever the
35:06
Speaker 1: nature of their relationship. Epstein's long standing connection to one
35:10
Speaker 1: of America's richest men inarguably aided his public profile, adding
35:15
Speaker 1: to his air of legitimacy and thus his power. Facts,
35:20
Speaker 1: big facts. All of these guys that were rolling around
35:24
Speaker 1: with Epstein, all of these dudes like Wexner and Trump
35:28
Speaker 1: and Clinton and the rest of them, they all lent
35:32
Speaker 1: credibility to who Jeffrey Epstein was and in turn the
35:37
Speaker 1: actions he was involved in. You gotta do better, right
35:44
Speaker 1: if you're especially if you're a high profile individual. You
35:47
Speaker 1: gotta know who you're with. You gotta know who you're
35:50
Speaker 1: hanging out with, and you can't get caught up in
35:52
Speaker 1: any nonsense. But you see, less Wexner, he was right
35:59
Speaker 1: at the center of that nonsense. He was the one
36:04
Speaker 1: that really was with Epstein from the Jump Epstein's Ride
36:11
Speaker 1: or Die, and I'm sure Epstein's confidant. So the fact
36:15
Speaker 1: that Less Wexner has been able to avoid real scrutiny
36:20
Speaker 1: up until now is mind boggling to me, because anybody
36:25
Speaker 1: who put any bit of effort into learning what really
36:29
Speaker 1: went on here, anybody who listened to the actual survivors
36:33
Speaker 1: who were abused by Epstein and the others, then you
36:36
Speaker 1: knew from Jump Street that Less Wexner played a huge
36:40
Speaker 1: role in Jeffrey Epstein's rise and his continued criminal enterprise.
36:50
Speaker 1: Wexner met Epstein sometime around nineteen eighty six. They were
36:54
Speaker 1: introduced by Wexner's close friend, the insurance mogul Robert Meister,
36:59
Speaker 1: who's handled insurance for the limited. I spoke with Measter
37:03
Speaker 1: in April, and he opened up for the first time
37:06
Speaker 1: about the origins of Wexner and Epstein's relationship. It was
37:09
Speaker 1: history that Measter seventy nine found difficult to revisit. I
37:14
Speaker 1: walked away from Epstein a long time ago, and I've
37:17
Speaker 1: been trying to erase him from my mind ever since.
37:20
Speaker 1: He said. And while I find that the laudable right
37:24
Speaker 1: that you walked away from, Epstein, why did you walk
37:27
Speaker 1: away and not alert anybody? You don't you know? These
37:34
Speaker 1: are all very powerful people, and a whisper in the
37:38
Speaker 1: riot ear could have really turned things on its head.
37:42
Speaker 1: But instead everybody just went along to get along, right
37:45
Speaker 1: where the get along gang here in the super elite. Oh,
37:50
Speaker 1: you're a level three sex offender. That's cool, as long
37:52
Speaker 1: as you still got some money. Because the biggest sin
37:57
Speaker 1: to these people, remember, is not abusing your children. It's
38:00
Speaker 1: not human trafficking or any of that. The biggest sin
38:04
Speaker 1: to these people is being broke. And that's just the
38:11
Speaker 1: reality of the situation. We're not even human beings to
38:16
Speaker 1: these people, folks. We are chattel. And the sooner everybody
38:21
Speaker 1: figures that out, and the sooner everybody understands that none
38:25
Speaker 1: of these people, none of them in the political class,
38:30
Speaker 1: care about you, then then and only then will we
38:35
Speaker 1: be on the right path to maybe fixing this. Epstein
38:42
Speaker 1: struck up a conversation with Measter on a commercial flight
38:45
Speaker 1: the Palm Beach Measter remembered being impressed with the young banker.
38:50
Speaker 1: In reality, Epstein lived in a one bedroom apartment and
38:53
Speaker 1: ran a fledgling investment firm. And that's why I call
38:56
Speaker 1: them the Coney Island hotbug vendor. Really what he should
39:00
Speaker 1: have been, right, You know the guys that are out
39:02
Speaker 1: there selling the hot dogs down on Coney Island at
39:06
Speaker 1: Nathan's or maybe out of a cart. Probably not Nathan's
39:09
Speaker 1: because a sick bastard like that can't work around other individuals. Huh,
39:13
Speaker 1: how long before he's, you know, trying to dill one
39:16
Speaker 1: of his coworkers. So Measter was impressed by the Coney
39:22
Speaker 1: Island hot dog salesman, right, And I'm sure Epstein had
39:27
Speaker 1: a good line. I'm sure his pitch was fantastic. These
39:30
Speaker 1: con men are good at what they do, and you know,
39:34
Speaker 1: the best lies, right, they always have just a little
39:37
Speaker 1: bit of truth sprinkled in, and Epstein was a master
39:41
Speaker 1: at that. According to people close to him, Epstein had
39:48
Speaker 1: been forced to leave bear Stearns in nineteen eighty one.
39:51
Speaker 1: He told Securities in Exchange Commission investigators he had been
39:54
Speaker 1: penalized after letting a friend borrow money to buy stock
39:58
Speaker 1: that there were irregularities with his expense account, and that
40:01
Speaker 1: there were rumors at the firm about his relationship with
40:04
Speaker 1: a secretary. I buy all of that, honestly. Now, the
40:10
Speaker 1: rumors about the secretary. Who knows right, Guys like Epstein,
40:15
Speaker 1: they'll always try and have a cover of having a
40:18
Speaker 1: older woman, perhaps with them, Gielan Maxwell, while they're engaging
40:23
Speaker 1: in their disgusting, disgusting, gross behavior on the side, and
40:30
Speaker 1: it all goes to building that profile, It all goes
40:33
Speaker 1: to building up this this fake person basically right, who
40:40
Speaker 1: the world sees in one way but behind closed doors,
40:44
Speaker 1: is an absolute monster. But you see, Jeffrey Epstein was
40:48
Speaker 1: the kind of guy. He couldn't keep it behind closed doors.
40:51
Speaker 1: He was so brazen about it. He had to drop clues.
40:54
Speaker 1: He had to let people know that, you know, he's
40:56
Speaker 1: a sick bastard, and people chose to ignore it. If
41:00
Speaker 1: you want the truth, that's what it really is. These
41:03
Speaker 1: people that were around him chose to ignore his behavior.
41:06
Speaker 1: They chose to ignore the warning signs, and they chose
41:09
Speaker 1: to continue having a relationship with a level three sex offender.
41:15
Speaker 1: That's really all you need to know about all of
41:17
Speaker 1: the other people around him. He was a great bullshit artist,
41:25
Speaker 1: Mester said. People who knew Epstein remarked at his savant
41:29
Speaker 1: like skills at impressing powerful older men. And here's where
41:34
Speaker 1: we get into a lot of speculation. Now, there's a
41:38
Speaker 1: lot of speculation that Les Wesner was someone who was
41:45
Speaker 1: attracted to men, and that he and Epstein might have
41:49
Speaker 1: had something going on. You've heard that from several sources.
41:53
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people who talk about that. So
41:57
Speaker 1: there's definitely some speculation there. And then you hear stuff
42:01
Speaker 1: like this, and I definitely don't find it out of
42:05
Speaker 1: the realm of reason to think that Jeffrey Epstein was
42:08
Speaker 1: perhaps trying to manipulate someone like Les Wexner, the seduction perhaps. Again, look,
42:16
Speaker 1: when we're dealing with somebody who has the psyche of
42:20
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, I think everything's on the table any kind
42:24
Speaker 1: of manipulation, be it sexual or otherwise, to try and
42:29
Speaker 1: get to the point he's trying to get to. So
42:33
Speaker 1: I definitely would be remiss if I didn't mention those rumors. Now,
42:37
Speaker 1: none of that's substantiated, right, we don't know for sure,
42:39
Speaker 1: at least I don't know for sure, but it's certainly
42:43
Speaker 1: something out there in the world and in the conversation
42:48
Speaker 1: when discussing Epstein and less Wexner's relationship. Amongst people in
42:53
Speaker 1: the know, Jeffrey was a flatterer. Set interior designer Robert Cottorier,
43:03
Speaker 1: who met Epstein in the nineteen eighties. Jeffrey would call
43:07
Speaker 1: me every day and say, oh, you're so brilliant, You're
43:10
Speaker 1: the best. Epstein's friend, Stuart Pavar, a founder of the
43:14
Speaker 1: New York Academy of Art, set Epstein's magnetism was almost
43:18
Speaker 1: impossible to resist. If you had hundreds of millions of
43:22
Speaker 1: dollars and you knew Jeffrey, there's a high likelihood that
43:26
Speaker 1: you'd give it to him. He was that good of
43:28
Speaker 1: a con man. There is as much chance of me
43:34
Speaker 1: break dancing on Mars as there is of me giving
43:38
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein one reed scent, and you could take that
43:43
Speaker 1: shit to the bank. I have an uncanny ability to
43:50
Speaker 1: sniff out conmen. There is zero chance that's somebody like
43:59
Speaker 1: Jeffffrey Epstein, crude, ridiculous, boisterous, would ever be able to
44:08
Speaker 1: pry one single cent out of your boy's hand. See
44:14
Speaker 1: here's the thing where I grew up the people. I
44:18
Speaker 1: grew up around a lot of con men folks, all right,
44:22
Speaker 1: you grow up in the inner cities, you grow up
44:24
Speaker 1: in the streets, tell you what you run across quite
44:28
Speaker 1: the assortment of characters. So I have always had my
44:34
Speaker 1: head on a swivel and I have never, ever, ever
44:37
Speaker 1: bought into the bullshit. So it's amazing to me to
44:43
Speaker 1: think that people like Les wexner're all of these super
44:46
Speaker 1: powerful people, can let somebody like Jeffrey Epstein wiggle their
44:52
Speaker 1: way into their lives and absolutely take control. There is
44:59
Speaker 1: no way that I believe that Epstein was that good
45:03
Speaker 1: of a manipulator. These people that were in bed with him,
45:08
Speaker 1: all of these moguls and magnates, they knew what they
45:11
Speaker 1: were doing. In hindsight, Measter suspects Epstein aggressively cultivated him
45:19
Speaker 1: in the hope that meister would open doors to his
45:21
Speaker 1: billionaire friends like Wexner. And that was the mol right,
45:26
Speaker 1: That's what Epstein was doing. He would shower everybody with praise.
45:30
Speaker 1: He would, you know, tell you you're the greatest thing
45:33
Speaker 1: since sliced bread, and he try and get into your
45:37
Speaker 1: circle so that he could jump on your back and
45:42
Speaker 1: cultivate your friends, bring more people into his circle, more
45:46
Speaker 1: people that he could get compromand on. And we haven't
45:50
Speaker 1: even begun talking about the scientists, right, nobody's talking about this. Really,
45:55
Speaker 1: all of those scientists that were in Jeffrey Epstein's orbit,
45:58
Speaker 1: in his atmosphere, how many of them were working on
46:01
Speaker 1: classified projects? How much of that classified information found its
46:06
Speaker 1: way into Jeffrey Epstein's hands, and then from Jeffrey Epstein's
46:09
Speaker 1: hands god knows where, Because we know he was a
46:12
Speaker 1: free agent. We know that he was willing to deal
46:16
Speaker 1: with whoever had the right kind of dough. So I
46:23
Speaker 1: wonder when we're gonna get around to that. Not long
46:30
Speaker 1: after Epstein met Meister, Epstein invited Meister to play a
46:33
Speaker 1: racquetball and started turning up in the steam room at
46:36
Speaker 1: his gym while he was using it. I'd be having
46:39
Speaker 1: a steam, and Epstein would come in. Measter said, I'd
46:43
Speaker 1: be having a steam. I'd be having a steam. Huh?
46:49
Speaker 1: Is it anything like the Russian mobsters? You're in there,
46:52
Speaker 1: you're having a steam, and then they come in and
46:54
Speaker 1: they beat you with that piece of bush that they use.
46:58
Speaker 1: What does that even mean? I'm having a steam? You
47:00
Speaker 1: want to have a steam pal, come to Las Vegas
47:02
Speaker 1: and take a walk to the corner store. That's a
47:05
Speaker 1: steam for you. During one conversation, Epstein asked Meister to
47:12
Speaker 1: introduce him to Wexner. Epstein falsely said he had learned
47:16
Speaker 1: that Wexner's money manager was stealing from him. Epstein, a
47:20
Speaker 1: self described financial bounty hunter, offered to help recover the funds.
47:25
Speaker 1: And to remember, Epstein said that he worked for the
47:28
Speaker 1: government in that capacity, recovering funds for the government as
47:32
Speaker 1: a financial bounty hunter. See Epstein has dropped a lot
47:39
Speaker 1: of clues when he was alive about his involvement with
47:42
Speaker 1: this organization or that organization or this three letter government bureaucracy.
47:52
Speaker 1: And you gotta put it all together. It's a puzzle, right,
47:54
Speaker 1: That's exactly what This is a gigantic puzzle, and you
47:58
Speaker 1: got to start from the corners like any puzzle, and
48:01
Speaker 1: work your way in. It was convincing enough that Mester
48:07
Speaker 1: arranged a meeting for Epstein at Wexner's house in Aspen.
48:11
Speaker 1: Epstein was such a liar, Mester said. In Wexner's twenty
48:16
Speaker 1: nineteen letter to his foundation, He wrote that he hired
48:19
Speaker 1: Epstein because friends recommended him as a knowledgeable financial professional,
48:25
Speaker 1: which friends exactly, not Mester, not the head of security,
48:31
Speaker 1: So which friends exactly, said Hey, you should get with
48:35
Speaker 1: Epstein because it sure sounds like everybody was telling Les
48:41
Speaker 1: Wexner to run for the hills, and did he do that?
48:47
Speaker 1: No business with them keys to the castle, you know,
48:50
Speaker 1: the whole line, the whole, the whole kitty was handed
48:56
Speaker 1: over to Jeffrey Epstein. Soon after introducing Wexner and Epstein,
49:07
Speaker 1: Meister started hearing disturbing stories about Epstein's sexual proclivities. Think
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Speaker 1: of whatever, the worst thing anyone can do, and Epstein
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Speaker 1: did them all. Measter said so right away Meister was
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Speaker 1: hearing this. Everybody knew what was up. Everybody knew Epstein
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Speaker 1: was a sick bastard who had gross proclivities. Even back then,
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Speaker 1: You mean to tell me less Wexner had no idea,
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Speaker 1: Mister Ohio had no idea, mister a big shot down
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Speaker 1: at the Ohio State University, had no idea that Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Epstein was out here playing diddler on the roof. No idea.
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Speaker 1: Huh okay, I guess if that's what you want me
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Speaker 1: to believe, then I guess I'm just gonna believe your narrative,
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Speaker 1: no questions asked wrong. I don't believe any of it. Okay,
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Speaker 1: not one word mentioned by these people do I believe.
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Speaker 1: And it's a damn shame that the prosecutors don't have
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Speaker 1: the backbone to go as far as they need to go.
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Speaker 1: Merrick Garland's a joke. The breaking point came when Epstein
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Speaker 1: showed up unannounced at Mester's Park Avenue apartment with five
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Speaker 1: models for Measter's sexual entertainment. Epstein thought he was bringing
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Speaker 1: me a gift. Mester recalled. I told him, get the
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Speaker 1: f out of here. I never want to see you again.
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Speaker 1: So Epstein knew that Mester was on to him. This
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Speaker 1: is my speculation, folks, knew he was on to him.
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Speaker 1: So what does he do? Let me bring five girls over?
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Speaker 1: So now I got some compromand on him. And of
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Speaker 1: those five girls, how many of them you think we're
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Speaker 1: under age? I guess is a good number of them.
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Speaker 1: And that was Epstein's mo folks, he'd get you locked
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Speaker 1: into that spider web. Right, Yeah, come down to the island,
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Speaker 1: Come hang out. We got a good thing going on
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Speaker 1: down here. We're gonna discuss theoretical physics. You get down there.
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Speaker 1: You're some pencil neck dork ass pocket protecting wearing scientists
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Speaker 1: and never had no hot girls in your life, right,
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Speaker 1: No girls were flocking to you while you were in
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Speaker 1: high school with your pimple ass face. You didn't play sports,
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Speaker 1: you didn't know how to talk to girls. And now
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Speaker 1: you're on this island with all of these billionaires and
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Speaker 1: he offers you hot girls. Oh they're all in right,
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Speaker 1: And that's what he tried to do with Measter, and
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Speaker 1: Mester was onto him. Old boy knew the deal. He
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Speaker 1: was like, look, take your girls and beat it. I
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Speaker 1: want nothing to do with you. So good on Measter
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Speaker 1: for that. But that's a typical Epstein move, folks. A
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Speaker 1: lot of guys don't have the wearithal to turn that down.
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Speaker 1: A lot of guys can't see the forest through the trees, right,
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Speaker 1: hot girls everywhere? Oh shit, whoa, I don't know what
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Speaker 1: to do. It's almost like a switch goes off in
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Speaker 1: your head and you become some sort of animal, almost
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Speaker 1: right for these people. Meanwhile, in the rest of society,
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Speaker 1: most of you know, normal people look at that. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: pretty girls, great, that's awesome, keep it moving, right, Not
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Speaker 1: these people. It was almost like you know, at ty
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Speaker 1: at Christmas dinner or Thanksgiving dinner, the centerpiece is like
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Speaker 1: the turkey or you got a nice roast or whatever
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Speaker 1: it is. That's what Epstein would do with these girls.
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Speaker 1: They'd be the centerpiece, right, He'd bring them in and
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Speaker 1: display them. And these sick bastards. Well, you know what happened.
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Speaker 1: I don't need to go into the story again, what
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Speaker 1: happened on that island. Measter, whose estimation of Epstein had
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Speaker 1: done a total one eighty, gave his friend a general
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Speaker 1: warning about his character. Mester said, he and his wife
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Speaker 1: Wendy warned Wexner to stay away from Epstein. We begged him,
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Speaker 1: don't get involved. Mester recalled, it was too late. Wexner
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Speaker 1: had hired Epstein as his financial advisor. He thought Epstein
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Speaker 1: was brilliant. Measter said, all right, folks, that's gonna conclude
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Speaker 1: part two of our Vanity Fair article. Now. I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to keep these all to thirty minute clips here. That
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Speaker 1: way they're more digestible for you. I don't want to,
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Speaker 1: you know, fire off like a two hour episode that
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to pause and get back to, and
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Speaker 1: all of that jazz so we're gonna stop it here,
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Speaker 1: wrap up Episode two and episode three will be coming
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