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Football at Four: What Needs to Improve From Eagles On Both Sides of the Ball? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Football four powered by the Inside of the Birds Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: in Atlantic City, and of course Eagles Thursday night. You
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  Speaker 1: three ESPN. Eagles g Men, Giants team, good defense, new
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  Speaker 1: quarterback Jackson Dart a rookie. They got beat by their
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  Speaker 1: Saints on Sunday. Wolf. That's coming off of a win
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  Speaker 1: against the Chargers. But the Eagles have their own issues
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  Speaker 1: and concerns coming out of the loss to the Broncos.
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  Speaker 1: What will it take to beat the Giants. We'll get
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  Speaker 1: into that in just a moment, but first, what are
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  Speaker 1: some of the concerns coming out of that loss to
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  Speaker 1: the Broncos. We're bringing Adam kaplan from the Inside the
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  Speaker 1: Birds Podcast. Adam, we know that this team certainly has
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  Speaker 1: got its problems, but what are some of the concerns
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  Speaker 1: we have at this stage of the season.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's funny Mike us Philly fans out there,
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  Speaker 2: you know the Phillies who last night, We're trying to
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  Speaker 2: figure out what who to blame here. So it's always
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  Speaker 2: easy to point to the manager, the general manager and
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  Speaker 2: there's certain things you could blame them before, but the
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  Speaker 2: players play and that's you know that. As we turn
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  Speaker 2: our transition here to the Eagles and Kevin Batulo, it's
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  Speaker 2: always easy Mike to criticize the play caller because he's
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  Speaker 2: the one who makes a decision on game day what's
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  Speaker 2: going to be called in game. He's got to see
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  Speaker 2: what's working, what's not working. It's the same as Kellen
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  Speaker 2: Moore last year mid season fans wanted Kellimore fired, believe
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  Speaker 2: it or not, see people forget about that. After that
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  Speaker 2: great game Hurts had with Kella Moore in Week one
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  Speaker 2: against Green Bay in Brazil, it was downhill the landing game,
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  Speaker 2: Hurts didn't play well. People like, what are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: This is ridiculous, And people are frustrated with Kellen Moore.
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  Speaker 2: Why is any helping Hurts? And it really wasn't too
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  Speaker 2: that Pittsburgh game. Till your self something great and Hurts
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  Speaker 2: with phenomenal in that game. So why am I bring
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  Speaker 2: this up? Folks have to be patient with Kevin Btulo.
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  Speaker 2: I know they want him fired already. It's really in fact,
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  Speaker 2: they wanted him fired after we two, but it's not happening.
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  Speaker 2: And you got to be patient. So on your question, Mike,
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  Speaker 2: you know what's got to happen. But too Look, it
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  Speaker 2: got out of hand a little bit with a running game.
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  Speaker 2: What we said on Inside the Birds, Mike was you
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  Speaker 2: got to come out throwing. You got to be a
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  Speaker 2: pass particular against in man coverage like Denver has come
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  Speaker 2: out throwing. They did. And what we didn't know they
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  Speaker 2: were going to do, which I know some of the
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  Speaker 2: fans who really file the game are smart. They said
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  Speaker 2: it on our they had actually asked us on our
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  Speaker 2: YouTube comments about where are they going to start the RPOs? Well,
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  Speaker 2: they just did. The RPOs worked to a certain degree.
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  Speaker 2: Hurts unfortunately sometimes held on the ball too long. The
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  Speaker 2: receivers have to come back to the football, which they
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  Speaker 2: don't do a great job of. So the pass the
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  Speaker 2: game is inconsistent, Mike. The consistency of the pass the
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  Speaker 2: game needs to be there. How do you help it
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  Speaker 2: get your running game back? I know it's looked bad.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to understand. It is. It's hard to believe.
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  Speaker 2: It's somewhat easier to understand when you know how poor
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  Speaker 2: the in tier the offensive lines playing. But Mike, they've
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  Speaker 2: got to help the quarterback out and by the way,
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  Speaker 2: Hurts has got to be a part of the running game. Again,
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  Speaker 2: that was not what we were expecting last week.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got problems in the run game, consistency of
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  Speaker 1: that pass game, the interior offensive line. So ultimately, here
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  Speaker 1: are some of these things fixable. Because the running game
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  Speaker 1: last year you had two thousand year hard rusher. The
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  Speaker 1: passing game last year, I mean, it wasn't explosively great,
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  Speaker 1: but you can count on it when you need it to.
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  Speaker 1: At times, it doesn't seem like you can count on
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  Speaker 1: either one of these right.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Mike, here's the problem, Okay, and they're kind of connected.
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  Speaker 2: Kim Jergens is clearly not himself, right. We've known that
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  Speaker 2: he had the back surgery. Lanta Dickerson, who's got a
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  Speaker 2: left ankle sprain. Mike, he doesn't look right. We've mentioned
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  Speaker 2: this before and in South of bart he looks a
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  Speaker 2: little heavy. He's had two surgeries in the same calendar year.
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  Speaker 2: That's not good. You worry about Brett Toast. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I'll give the credit. He's been all on off the
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  Speaker 2: Eagles roster since twenty nineteen. He's ultimately probably not going
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  Speaker 2: to be good enough as a backup. They're a miss
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  Speaker 2: on Trevor Keegan. Mike, I know he's a fifth rounder,
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  Speaker 2: but you saw the value of Jack Jack Driscoll, who
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  Speaker 2: is a fourth rounder, as a as a rotational piece,
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  Speaker 2: as a guy that if you needed someone to plug
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  Speaker 2: and play, if a right tackles out, if a guard
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  Speaker 2: was out, you could stick him in there and he'd play. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: he could get you two to four games. That's about
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  Speaker 2: it for him. They don't have that guy right now, Mike.
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  Speaker 2: That's a problem. This is not a coaching issue. This
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  Speaker 2: is it's on Jeff Stalin's problem. They're just not physically
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  Speaker 2: good enough right now. They're just not good enough for
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  Speaker 2: the interior. And Tyler Steen has not been a problem.
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  Speaker 2: He's still work in progress. Lane Johnson is still great
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  Speaker 2: football players, not quite to where he was. We know
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  Speaker 2: Lane was dealing with the shoulder stinger on the shoulder issue,
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  Speaker 2: and Jeremia a Lot has had some plays each game
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  Speaker 2: where I think the timing's been off. So, Mike, as
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  Speaker 2: we sum up the five arding offensive lineman, it's clearly
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  Speaker 2: not nearly as good as last ye when they were leads.
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  Speaker 1: So no doubt the issue, no doubt, And you know,
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  Speaker 1: our buddy Zach Berman put out a tweet that it
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  Speaker 1: was eye popping. They have had three and outs on
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  Speaker 1: forty seven percent of their offensive drives. Forty seven percent
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  Speaker 1: they go three and out. You know who that's number
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  Speaker 1: one on the list. Number two is Tennessee and number
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  Speaker 1: three is Cincinnati. Hardly teams that you want to be
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  Speaker 1: mentioned with. The only teams worse than this ever two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and five, the forty nine ers. They went four
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  Speaker 1: and twelve that year. So you are going three and
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  Speaker 1: out almost fifty percent of your possessions. It's unbelievable to
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  Speaker 1: hear that.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, you know, it's kind of like in pace off
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  Speaker 2: if your side has retired like five innings in a row,
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  Speaker 2: you don't get a hit, like, you don't even get
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  Speaker 2: a base runner nothing. It's really bad. Yeah, that's look,
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  Speaker 2: it's Mike, they're not I mean, the yards for contact
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  Speaker 2: was one point seven. I haven't got this week's It
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  Speaker 2: was actually one point six to eight up to a
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  Speaker 2: week ago. I haven't got this week's numbers. This is
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  Speaker 2: just mind boggling how bad it is, and the fact
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  Speaker 2: that they're four and one. Yeah, look, and they've got
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  Speaker 2: a tough schedule like that's someone asked to said, let
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  Speaker 2: me bring this up. Someone asks us in our Patreon group, right,
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  Speaker 2: we've had Patreon chat every Wednesday, which we have tomorrow night,
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  Speaker 2: and someone asked, hey, could the line get better? And
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  Speaker 2: I said, look, Dicker said, unfortunately, I just don't know. Physically, eventually,
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  Speaker 2: with a back, it should get better. Like it's not
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  Speaker 2: surprising that Jurgens said after the game that you know
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  Speaker 2: he's still dealing with it and the after effects of
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  Speaker 2: back surgery. That's not a surprise. But you have to
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  Speaker 2: because these guys, look Jurgons now is in another full
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  Speaker 2: year of starting. I know it's not been great, but
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  Speaker 2: you expect my lot and Lane Johnson Lane to physically
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  Speaker 2: get right. And don't they have the bye week after
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  Speaker 2: they're the bye week one? I think is it week nine?
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  Speaker 2: Is it? If I'm not mistaken not looking.
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  Speaker 1: At no, it's coming up. It might be n what
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  Speaker 1: are we in right now? We're going into six?
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  Speaker 2: It is weak.
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  Speaker 1: So they play the Giants Minnesota the Giants than the Buye.
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  Speaker 2: So the hope is you get these guys some rest,
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  Speaker 2: continue to rehab them. My belief is that it will
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  Speaker 2: be better in the second half, but I would I
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  Speaker 2: would bet the house if we use our own eyes, Mike,
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  Speaker 2: that'll never be what it was last season. I just
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  Speaker 2: don't see it. I just don't see it. You got
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  Speaker 2: to accept it. It doesn't mean, by the way, that
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  Speaker 2: they can't make the Super Bowl. I told our Patrion
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  Speaker 2: group last June, when there was a lot of questions
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  Speaker 2: about what this team will look like, I said, look
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  Speaker 2: the league, based on the drafts and everything that we
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  Speaker 2: didn't see, we wouldn't know how it would play out
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  Speaker 2: until the season started. I didn't think it would be Mike,
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  Speaker 2: and this doesn't look like a year for a dominant team.
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  Speaker 2: Looked Buffalo just lost it home New England. No undefeated teams,
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  Speaker 2: no team is great. It doesn't mean if you're legals
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  Speaker 2: you want to play down in the competition. But you
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  Speaker 2: don't have to be elite this season to go far.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just telling you that's the way we are right now.
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  Speaker 1: We're looking at concerns around the Bronco game, and really,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the first five weeks of the season here
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  Speaker 1: you're Ford one, but you do have concerns running game, consistency,
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  Speaker 1: of passing, interior line. That's pretty much all phases of
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  Speaker 1: the offensive game. What about the what about the defense?
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  Speaker 2: Oh boy, the run defense. It's not bad, it's just
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  Speaker 2: not what we had noted that Moro Jomo was a
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  Speaker 2: concern of the run game. It has been. He's much
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  Speaker 2: better pass rusher. That's you've shown him be the case.
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  Speaker 2: Let's not underestimate or underplay the issue that Jalen Carter
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  Speaker 2: has had since last season with this recurring shoulder problem, which,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, he had in college. We noticed this
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  Speaker 2: when Eagles drafted him from one of our sources said
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  Speaker 2: that watched that shoulder that he had. We didn't even
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  Speaker 2: know about it. This guy who we spoke with, I
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  Speaker 2: think Jeff knew this as well, that Carter had a
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  Speaker 2: bad shoulder in college. Clubs kind of red flagged. It.
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  Speaker 2: Just something to watch, and that's been a problem. That's
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  Speaker 2: one of them, Mike. This is something that it's not
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  Speaker 2: like they're going to sign some run stopper who's going
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  Speaker 2: to play forty percent of the plays. I mean, Jordan Davis,
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  Speaker 2: who's had a much improved season. He had some plays
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  Speaker 2: that could have been better last game, we're told, so
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  Speaker 2: that was a concern. So look, they're just not run
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  Speaker 2: defense and look Campbell, occasionally he might overrun a play,
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  Speaker 2: but he's actually been better than you think against the run.
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  Speaker 2: They just have to be more consistent. Again, I would
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  Speaker 2: say run defense, Mike. That's something that will get better
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  Speaker 2: and they'll continue to work in the Kobe dem Well,
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  Speaker 2: we'll talk more about this next week. Our thought process.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about this last week when you asked me
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  Speaker 2: a thought process is what he gets clear to play.
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  Speaker 2: And when they don't play a lot of run, they're
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  Speaker 2: they're not a base defense. They don't play a lot
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  Speaker 2: of forty three. They're not Fandrew never has. As a
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  Speaker 2: matter of fact, Bill Pollingon told me the jet of
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  Speaker 2: the legendary General Mancher, who's in the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 2: Bill told me, and I asked him about fanser like,
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  Speaker 2: why did they why did you guys fire him? He said, Look,
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't run the state. He doesn't run Tampa two,
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  Speaker 2: which Tony Dungeye ran more portly. He doesn't run a
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  Speaker 2: forty three. He runs a thirty four. He's run this
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  Speaker 2: for decades. He plays a little bit of forty three
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  Speaker 2: in their base. That's it. So it's gonna be hard
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  Speaker 2: to take Ken Lavalina. But there's always a way if
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  Speaker 2: Diana's I mean, you can't struck and be all the
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  Speaker 2: way back right now. But once they think they could
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  Speaker 2: play him, there'll be a way to get Campbell a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of arrest and played to play Dean a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of rundowns.
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  Speaker 1: H He did get asked about Dean today, said he
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  Speaker 1: might be active this week. Well, see, didn't really commit
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  Speaker 1: to what his role would be when he returns. What
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  Speaker 1: are we thinking about, you know, some of the concerns
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  Speaker 1: we had a Dori Jackson seemingly was a concern now
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  Speaker 1: Ringo the last two weeks. He said, possibly Ringo could
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  Speaker 1: be the guy there moving forward. What do we think
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  Speaker 1: about him?
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  Speaker 2: So the reason why I thought Ringo would start a
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  Speaker 2: couple of things. Hey, he's healthy, be he's got length. Now,
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  Speaker 2: what we didn't know is they would use Mitchell in
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  Speaker 2: man coverage and travel a lot on Sutton. Okay, I
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  Speaker 2: mean we thought it would be something we didn't It
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  Speaker 2: would be basically, whenever they did it, he would be
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  Speaker 2: the travel guy on Sutton. Son's got great size, and
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  Speaker 2: he got Mitchell a decent amount of times, but wasn't bad.
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  Speaker 2: But and then you know with the with the broncos Is.
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  Speaker 2: We noted on our premium show they're super deep a receiver,
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  Speaker 2: and that was something that you have to be worry about.
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  Speaker 2: You can't be sticking out a guy like a Dorri
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  Speaker 2: Jackson that it wasn't quite back. So it didn't surprise me.
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  Speaker 2: Now the reason why Fandrew didnsale, we will stick with Ringo.
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  Speaker 2: Ringo gave us some place. He was just okay. They
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  Speaker 2: didn't throw out him a ton. They threw out him
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  Speaker 2: more last this game than they did in the week before.
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  Speaker 2: But again, he's a fourth corner, a Dorrity Jackson on
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  Speaker 2: a if you had a really good start at corner,
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  Speaker 2: you love to be your third, and then everyone would
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  Speaker 2: look better. Backups look better when they don't have to
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  Speaker 2: play Mike. The way is in all sports, and Ringo's
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  Speaker 2: is not gonna be good enough. We've talked about the
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  Speaker 2: stiffness and the ability and ABI we've talked about for
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  Speaker 2: three years. We've probably talked about it fifty times about
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  Speaker 2: the stiffness. You can't get rid of it, and it
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  Speaker 2: did show in a couple of plays and against the run.
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  Speaker 2: Mike if he sees a guy in his area and
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  Speaker 2: his hips aren't turned the right way. It's a problem.
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  Speaker 2: So this is something and we'll talk more about this
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  Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks. Is this is something to
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  Speaker 2: look towards the trade deadline. Cornerback opposite Mitchell is by
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  Speaker 2: farther number one need. I'm not saying pass rush is
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  Speaker 2: not in need, it is, but corner opposite Mitchell is
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  Speaker 2: a major need. Right now?
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  Speaker 1: All right, we just played that sound from Adam Schefter.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody out there who's expecting about ten to twelve trades
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  Speaker 1: at the trade deadline? Right yeah, So you think it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be really active. We'll see if Hollie Roseman
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  Speaker 1: gets active. And I mentioned run defense as well. I
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  Speaker 1: talked about Ojomo not good enough in that aspect of
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  Speaker 1: run devinj you echo it there. What about o Ja
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  Speaker 1: Luri He didn't play the first four weeks and then
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  Speaker 1: got more snapped than Oucha.
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  Speaker 2: I joked on our show with Greg Cosel the inside
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  Speaker 2: the tape show stop today, which is, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: folks just understand we're pointing out what doesn't look good.
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  Speaker 2: They yell at Greg co sol in the comments because
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  Speaker 2: Greg is critical of Hurts. He's not trying to be
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  Speaker 2: telling you this is what it looks like. That he
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  Speaker 2: tells him what it looks like. It's nothing personal. It
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  Speaker 2: If Hurts played out of his mind, great, this would
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  Speaker 2: have been a jail and Hurt show. That's just the
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  Speaker 2: way it is. Until he plays consistently well, the clips
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  Speaker 2: that we show aren't always going to be good. That's
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  Speaker 2: the way it is. I just wanted to say that.
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  Speaker 2: But the guy that we did talk about, Bribe because
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  Speaker 2: he's our Jelari looked really good. Now he played way more.
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  Speaker 2: We played about forty percent of the defensive snaps. That
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  Speaker 2: shocked me. Now, as Vic said, he was asked today
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  Speaker 2: you heard his press conference, it's because he played well.
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  Speaker 2: He left him in good for Vic. Now, clearly, as
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  Speaker 2: we talked about at the start of the season, he
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  Speaker 2: didn't have a good training camp. He had a couple
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  Speaker 2: of good snaps in a preseason game against the Jets.
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  Speaker 2: That was it. So he didn't deserve to be on
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  Speaker 2: the field, and that you earn what you get, Yet
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  Speaker 2: it by performing in practice. He didn't. They were down
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  Speaker 2: two edge rushers. He had to play and he did
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  Speaker 2: a good job. Now, are we expected forty defensive steps
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  Speaker 2: every week? No? But he did a good job and
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  Speaker 2: he's got incredible length and boyd could he dip? That
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  Speaker 2: was really interesting. And that's a good offensive line he
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  Speaker 2: did a good job against. And they face a very
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  Speaker 2: suspect offensive line this week with the Giants.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's take a look at the Giants because
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  Speaker 1: they beat the Chargers two weeks ago and then lost
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  Speaker 1: to the Saints last week. So who are the New
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  Speaker 1: York Football Giants? What do you need to do to
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  Speaker 1: kind of beat them on Thursday Night, Mike.
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  Speaker 2: They have a really good front. They are not good
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  Speaker 2: at corner at all. They benched Yonty Banks, a former
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  Speaker 2: first rounder out of Maryland. A lot of people are
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  Speaker 2: on the league were wrong on him. There are a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people that Jeff and I talked for that
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  Speaker 2: draft that loved him, and he just has not performed there.
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  Speaker 2: Cordell Flott has no reason to be starting, but he is.
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  Speaker 2: When the Eagles throw, they got to go after him.
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  Speaker 2: That's a guy you have to target in the past game.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's what we expect. Really good at safety, really
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  Speaker 2: good front. You can run against the Giants, I mean
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  Speaker 2: you can do that, and you have to dominate the
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  Speaker 2: Giants right side of when the Eagles are on defense,
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  Speaker 2: you've got to dominate that right side. Germaine Iluminor has
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  Speaker 2: been He's a journeyman right tackle guard. That's a guy that, Mike.
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  Speaker 2: If you can't beat that right side of their line,
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  Speaker 2: I'd be surprised. You don't have to blitz, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: this should not be done. They can if they want,
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  Speaker 2: But this is not a game, Mike where I feel
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  Speaker 2: like you have to really blitz. Because the Eagles defensive
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  Speaker 2: line versus the Giants offensive line, particularly again on the
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: right side. I mean, it's it's just to me, it's
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: it's about it's a matchup driven league. And when you
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: look at Greg Van Roten, who I remember at University
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: of Pennsylvania, I can't believe he's still playing. He starts
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: for them, he's number seventy four. Good for Greg that
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: he's still playing. Eagles have to win those match with
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Eagles left side versus the right side of the offensive line.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: All right, we'll be recapping on Friday when Adam Kaplan's
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: back right here. It's a Thursday night game. You can
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: listen to it on ninety seven three ESPN, and I
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: I talked about this bore the giant stink. However, they
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: do have a pretty talented defense, maybe not the best
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: team on a short week to try to get your
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: offense right against.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: You are correct, Mike, there are a lot of advantages there.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Let's see if they take care of it.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Well, we'll certainly be breaking it all back down Friday
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: when Adam's back here on football at four, here on
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: the Sports Bash. All right, Adam, thanks buddy, thank you,