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Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, January 23 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Celebrating twenty five years of Jaguars football. Looking for looking
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Speaker 1: like checkdown dry. It is Thursday, January twenty three. This
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Speaker 1: is Jaguars Happy Hours. And now now Bobile didn't want him,
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Speaker 1: I guess we'll take him Ja Welcome in Jaguars Happy
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Speaker 1: Hour on this January J P. Shadrick with Tony Baselli.
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Speaker 1: Jeff Flagavan is in parts unknown. Tony's on the line
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Speaker 1: with us. Where are you, Tony? What's up? I am
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Speaker 1: out of town. I am doing a little work up
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Speaker 1: in Minneapolis. That's your that's your new second home. It
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Speaker 1: seems like you're always in Minneappolis. Now, well, I just
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Speaker 1: lit a short term. I'm working on the stuff. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: so up here jack Ball last week, Super Bowl next week,
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Speaker 1: and uh busy time of year. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 1: on the show today. Jay Gruden named the offensive Coordinato
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Speaker 1: will recap that higher. Doug Maron announced that yesterday. In
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Speaker 1: Mobile Senior Bowl week wrap up, we'll hear from Dave Caldwell,
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Speaker 1: also Jaguars general manager, Pro Bowl Jags three players involved
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Speaker 1: in Orlando this week. Ashland Sullivan was there. She'll present
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Speaker 1: what she got from the guys down at the practice
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Speaker 1: field in Orlando. This week we'll go around the National
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Speaker 1: Football League as well. Jay Gruden hired as the offensive
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Speaker 1: coordinator the former Redskins head coach, fired after an over
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Speaker 1: start this past season, and he was an offensive coordinator
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Speaker 1: with the Cincinnati Bengals before that and then prior to
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Speaker 1: his NFL scent, he was for a long time in
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Speaker 1: the Arena Football League, a couple of Arena Bowl titles
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Speaker 1: as the head coach of the Orlando pre Editors years
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Speaker 1: and years ago thirty nine and one record as a
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Speaker 1: head coach, and Tony if you if you think back
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Speaker 1: a few years ago before he was the Redskins head coach,
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Speaker 1: he was kind of the hot offensive coordinator mind in
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Speaker 1: the NFL and when the when the Redskins hired him,
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Speaker 1: the record doesn't really show it as a head coach,
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Speaker 1: but this guy has a reputation as being a really
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Speaker 1: good offensive mind. Well this wrap your head around this
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Speaker 1: JP he took. He led the Bengals offensively, now Marvin
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Speaker 1: Lus's head coach, but offensively the three straight playoffs appearances
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Speaker 1: and when the better offenses in footballertainly that's how that's
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Speaker 1: how out of a commodity he was I mean, he
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Speaker 1: was the hot commodity. He was the guy everyone wanted
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Speaker 1: and uh went to he went to Washington. They had
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Speaker 1: stuff success, but you know, the last couple of years
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Speaker 1: was quarterback issues and um, organizational issues. I think they're
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Speaker 1: well documented of Daniel Snyder as the owner up there,
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Speaker 1: so he's not the first individual who had a tough
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Speaker 1: time in the nation's capital. Doug Brown yesterday said that,
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Speaker 1: you know, scheme is one thing and all that, but
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Speaker 1: it's really how he fits with the coaching staff and
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Speaker 1: and working with the players and his personality, and you
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Speaker 1: know that was a big part of this process as
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Speaker 1: anything on the field. I think for j Gruden to
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Speaker 1: be here, Um yeah, I mean listen, think about how
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Speaker 1: I mean we see it firsthand, Um, being in the building.
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Speaker 1: How many hours these coaches spend together. It's a scheme
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Speaker 1: and ability to teach as a coach and to lead
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Speaker 1: those are all critical and you have to be able
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Speaker 1: to do that. But at the same time, you need
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Speaker 1: to have the right personality in the right uh how
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Speaker 1: do you say, I mean, the right chemistry with the
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Speaker 1: assistant coaches that you're leading as well, because you spend
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Speaker 1: time with them that you do the players, And I
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Speaker 1: think that's an often overlooked part of making sure you
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Speaker 1: get the right guy. Does he fit the culture of
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Speaker 1: your assists, of what you're trying to build as a
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Speaker 1: head coach on the coaching steps. Forget the players, but
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Speaker 1: just from a coaching stest perspective, Well, what will the
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Speaker 1: offense look like will be a question of course moving ahead,
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Speaker 1: until we actually see something on a practice field at
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Speaker 1: some point in this offseason. We don't really know until
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Speaker 1: we find out exactly what the personnel is going to be.
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Speaker 1: We don't know his thoughts on the quarterback yet. Dave
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Speaker 1: called Will didn't have a lot to say about that
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Speaker 1: position this week either. So you have a coordinator, but
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Speaker 1: it's really building around the parts you have on the
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Speaker 1: offensive side. Yeah, I think I think you said it perfectly.
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Speaker 1: We'll find out. I mean I think you know you
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Speaker 1: still have free agency. Well before we get the free agency,
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Speaker 1: what you have is you have to cut people that's
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Speaker 1: right to get under the cap. And then once you
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Speaker 1: do that, and then you find out much capreo you
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Speaker 1: have and you go address as many needs as you
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Speaker 1: can um an areas that you don't think you'll be
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Speaker 1: able to address in the draft, UM through free agency,
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Speaker 1: and then what you do that you have the draft,
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Speaker 1: and and as you're kind of going through that process,
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Speaker 1: you have an idea of the personnel that you have
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Speaker 1: and kind of which way you want to lean. But
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Speaker 1: in the meantime, you can't wait for all that. If
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Speaker 1: you're Jay Gruden, You've gotta start immediately working with your
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Speaker 1: assistant coaches and start talking about terminology and language and
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Speaker 1: and what your core beliefs are as a offensive staff.
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Speaker 1: So all these things kind of need to work together
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Speaker 1: in concert. And it's a lot of movie pieces and
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Speaker 1: a lot of moving parts. And that's why it's always
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Speaker 1: difficult to have a coaching change and UH, and typically
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Speaker 1: it takes some time to get on the same page,
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Speaker 1: and especially when you're talking at a coordinator level. Tony
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Speaker 1: Baselli with us on the phone from Minneapolis, Minnesota Jaguars
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Speaker 1: happy Hour. How many Redskins games have you done in
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Speaker 1: the time he was the head coach on Thursdays? Oh gosh,
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Speaker 1: one a year, So you know I did one this
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Speaker 1: year they played in Minnesota. UM, they had all kinds
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Speaker 1: of quarterback issues. Guys was out with injury, Peterson was playing.
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Speaker 1: UM ended up having an injury in game and so
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Speaker 1: the rookie Haskins had to come into the second half.
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Speaker 1: So they had all kinds of issues. I mean, it
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Speaker 1: wasn't I don't want to say a disaster, but it
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Speaker 1: was tough sledging from a personnel standpoint, injury standpoint. I mean,
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Speaker 1: they were without Trent Brown this year. He held out,
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Speaker 1: had all kinds of issues in the organization that brought
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Speaker 1: a lot of drama from that standpoint. So it was
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Speaker 1: tough for Jay. And I'm not saying he was without fault,
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Speaker 1: you know, not being there. You don't know the entire backstory.
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Speaker 1: But like I said at the beginning, he's not the
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Speaker 1: first coach who has had a tough time in DC
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Speaker 1: under the leadership of Damel Oh and five start this
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Speaker 1: year and that got him run off from Washington to
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Speaker 1: start this season seven and nine records the two years
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Speaker 1: before that, but then he had winning records UM the
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Speaker 1: season's probably fifteen and sixteen and nine and seven record
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Speaker 1: and a playoff appearance in fifteen eight seven and one
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Speaker 1: record and missed the playoffs that year UM and then
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Speaker 1: over the last few years. But what was the year
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Speaker 1: that the GM they ran him off as well. That
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Speaker 1: was a few years ago and Washington. So there's been
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Speaker 1: a lot of moving parts around the organization. And they
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Speaker 1: remember every off season it was the drama until a
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Speaker 1: couple of years ago it was start cousin. That's right.
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Speaker 1: You know, they franchised them, Are they gonna sign them?
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Speaker 1: They gonna trade them? I mean, there's been very little
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Speaker 1: stability in that organization for a long time. No, so
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Speaker 1: it's caught and uh, I think Ron Rivera there now
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Speaker 1: we'll see what he does, how he handled it. But
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Speaker 1: I think Jake Ruts a very good coach. Everything here
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Speaker 1: about it is very positive. His success at Cincinnati was,
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Speaker 1: you know, evident by what they did. The question is
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Speaker 1: now is you know it's a you know they have
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Speaker 1: a it's there under the um pressure of a one
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Speaker 1: ye hear. We got to figure it out now, you know,
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Speaker 1: Jake Gruden can't come and say, all, we're gonna build
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Speaker 1: this out. You kind of layering what we want to do,
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Speaker 1: and because we're gonna have a three year period to
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Speaker 1: kind of become a great offense, they have to figure
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Speaker 1: it out in the next you know, eight months before
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Speaker 1: they kick it off. And Doug Maron said as such,
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Speaker 1: in the conference call yesterday with the Jaguars media, I
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Speaker 1: don't I don't have time for that. Basically, it's how
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Speaker 1: he said it. They have to win. They have to
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Speaker 1: win right away, and they don't have time to to
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Speaker 1: really get things, you know, take the time to get
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Speaker 1: it going. It's gotta be right away from the word
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Speaker 1: go at the start of the off season program, have
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Speaker 1: the offense ready to roll, and then on opening Day
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Speaker 1: I get out there and play. Now, the next trick
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Speaker 1: is there is still a hiring process going on. According
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Speaker 1: to Doug Marone, the quarterback coach position is still out there,
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Speaker 1: and it sounds like he and Gruden will figure that
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Speaker 1: out together moving ahead. I don't think there's a true
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Speaker 1: rush on that though, Tony Well, I mean, you don't
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Speaker 1: want to wait too long. I mean, because that's a
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Speaker 1: part of your staff that as you start, you gotta
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Speaker 1: remember they gotta put in a whole new offense in
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Speaker 1: terminology and language and what they're gonna do and how
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Speaker 1: they communicate. So you want that individual part of that conversation.
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Speaker 1: And my guess is that part of the process of
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Speaker 1: hiring Jay Gruden was Jay explaining and I don't know
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Speaker 1: this were a factor, explaining that he would like to
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Speaker 1: have a lot of say in that higher so he
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Speaker 1: could bring his one of his guys in because they
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Speaker 1: at least have help one person on the staff that
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Speaker 1: will speaking the same language that he is. How tough
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Speaker 1: is that for let's say, a quarterback or a left tackle,
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Speaker 1: even when you have to bring in a whole new
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Speaker 1: offensive terminology, how how hard is that? How long does
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Speaker 1: that take? You know? In fairness, the on time I
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Speaker 1: did it was my rookie year, because after that I
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Speaker 1: have the same terminal of the same offense the entire time.
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Speaker 1: But I'll go back to my rookie year when my
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Speaker 1: head was swimming and trying to figure anything out. I
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Speaker 1: didn't think it was that hard. Now for an offensive linement.
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Speaker 1: Did I know in depth every aspect of it year
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Speaker 1: one like I did in future years? No? But did
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Speaker 1: I understand the language, what we're doing formation? You know,
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Speaker 1: play called protection, run scheme of that? Absolutely, But again
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Speaker 1: that's only a portion of it. The quarterback has to
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Speaker 1: know all that plus the routes, skin schematics, you know
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Speaker 1: what you want to do to get discoverage this front um.
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Speaker 1: And so it's quite extensive, and it's you know. But
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Speaker 1: what we saw last year which gives me a lot
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Speaker 1: of hope in this area, is that we saw Gardner
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Speaker 1: Minshew picked up really quick and did a great job
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Speaker 1: of absorbing a lot of information enough where he was
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Speaker 1: effective going in there opening day as the backup. And
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Speaker 1: Minsho has done that throughout his college career too. I
10:45
Speaker 1: mean he changed schools like five times or something, you know,
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Speaker 1: So it's not the guy has no dummy, so my guests,
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Speaker 1: there will be no issue for him. Looking forward to
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Speaker 1: seeing how that goes the rest of the way here,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna hear from Ashland Sullivan coming up. She's gonna
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Speaker 1: join us in studio a couple of seconds from now
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Speaker 1: to discuss the Pro Bowl players for the Jaguars. And
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Speaker 1: she also caught up with the Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins
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Speaker 1: and asked him about Jay Gruden coming to Jacksonville. We'll
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Speaker 1: get back to kirk Cousins coming up. Production in calling
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Speaker 1: plays with a variety of different players in a variety
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Speaker 1: of different places. So he will do a great job
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Speaker 1: with that team with that system, and um, I think
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Speaker 1: everybody's in a good place highing him. So Kirk Cousins
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Speaker 1: had some nice comments about his former head coach down
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Speaker 1: at the Pro Bowl Astro and Sullivan caught up with him. Um,
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Speaker 1: this will be interesting the next to see how this
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Speaker 1: thing goes in Tony and and then the question obviously
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Speaker 1: moving ahead of as we talked about, where do you
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Speaker 1: trim the cap? How far down do you trim it?
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Speaker 1: How much money do you have to spend? It sounds
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Speaker 1: like Dave Caldwell's confident he'll have a little money to
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Speaker 1: spend come free agency time, but there's a lot of
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Speaker 1: work to be done to trim it down that far. Um. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, they can get creative, but in getting creative,
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Speaker 1: they can create space, but then they're creating other holes
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Speaker 1: in the roster. H. I mean, we looked at it
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Speaker 1: what last week for the week before with Jeff and
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Speaker 1: they were over the cap going in to this league year.
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Speaker 1: And so they're gonna have to make some significant changes
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Speaker 1: in the coming weeks coming months to get under the cap.
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Speaker 1: And they give them the ability to do make some
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Speaker 1: moves and fre agency. But as you do that and
12:40
Speaker 1: being repetitive now, but I want to make sure everyone's
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Speaker 1: clear you create some holes by letting guys go all right,
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Speaker 1: let's come back in a moment. We'll hear from Dave Caldwell.
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Speaker 1: Jaguars General manager at Senior Bowl and mobile that was
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, Welcome pack, Jaguars, Happy our j P. Shadrick
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Speaker 1: in studio, Tony Buselli on the line with us from
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Speaker 1: Minneapolis to Soota. Jeff Lagerman is not here somewhere else
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Speaker 1: so'll be back next week. And Ashlan Sullivan coming up
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Speaker 1: next segment to discuss the Pro Bowl in Orlando this week. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so you heard from the GM there, Tony Um. Well,
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Speaker 1: obviously needs can change over the next couple of months
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Speaker 1: when the free agency and you start trimming as we
17:21
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Speaker 1: then that opens up some more needs for you. That's
17:27
Speaker 1: why you gotta know everybody at the Senior Bowl. Get
17:30
Speaker 1: some base in for not that they don't already, but
17:33
Speaker 1: the part of this week is scouts trying to talk
17:35
Speaker 1: or it may at least make contact with everybody on
17:38
Speaker 1: both sides and mobile. That's a lot of conversations in
17:41
Speaker 1: the hallway in that hotel room. Yeah, but it's a
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Speaker 1: great opportunity. You gotta be around some of these guys,
17:47
Speaker 1: and some of these guys are gonna be top players,
17:49
Speaker 1: you know for a second third rounders, and you get
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Speaker 1: to do extra work on them. You gotta see them
17:54
Speaker 1: in live action competing as other guys. You get to
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Speaker 1: see how they interact with coaches, how they handle coaching. Um,
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Speaker 1: you see him away from the field, and so this
18:03
Speaker 1: is valuable time to do your work. Now it's just
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Speaker 1: part of the story obviously, UM their game tape that
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Speaker 1: they have during the season, all the way through the
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Speaker 1: combine information the medical that you're gonna get and then
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Speaker 1: the guys you really want to see some more of
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Speaker 1: is that you'll do. Uh, You'll invite him to Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: and do an in person interview on site. So this
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Speaker 1: is simply just part of the information, but it's a
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Speaker 1: valuable piece and you've got to start doing your homework
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Speaker 1: from day one on these guys. Um, you're investing a lot,
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Speaker 1: and we've talked about it on this show that you
18:36
Speaker 1: need to get the draft right. Uh and this year
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Speaker 1: as much as anything, you have to two first rounders.
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Speaker 1: You have I think, what is the three picks in
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Speaker 1: the first forty um, And so you need to get
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Speaker 1: those right because this is how you build the foundation
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Speaker 1: of young players where you don't have to be dependent
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Speaker 1: in the future and free agency, and how you build
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Speaker 1: the championship football team is through of the draft, in
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Speaker 1: my opinion, and this is critical for that we get
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Speaker 1: this right. Well, we'll touch on some more of the
19:05
Speaker 1: things that that Dave discussed this week in just a
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Speaker 1: few minutes here, but let's continue on the Senior Bowl
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Speaker 1: talk and some of the the top standout players at
19:13
Speaker 1: least at practices this week. As you would imagine, Justin Herbert,
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Speaker 1: the quarterback from Oregon UM shows well on the practice field. Tony,
19:21
Speaker 1: I'll say that big arm m big name throughout the year,
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Speaker 1: and now that the pre draft process is here, I
19:27
Speaker 1: think his stock will only continue to rise. You look
19:29
Speaker 1: pretty good this week. How is his accuracy? Because the
19:32
Speaker 1: big knock on Justin Herbert at Oregon is his accuracy.
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Speaker 1: He's big, he's athletic, he has a big arm, big
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Speaker 1: arm um. He has all those qualities that you love
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Speaker 1: about him. But there's been some accuras issues, if you
19:43
Speaker 1: accuracy issues. As you watch the tape of him playing,
19:47
Speaker 1: I will say that I didn't see a lot of
19:49
Speaker 1: the team periods each day the first two days. But
19:53
Speaker 1: against air, I mean obviously the balls on target. I'm
19:57
Speaker 1: pretty accurate on air too. I think we all most
20:00
Speaker 1: us are. Yeah, when he gets into live situation where
20:04
Speaker 1: there's a rush around him, there's defenders are out there,
20:07
Speaker 1: is you know how what's his accuracy like? And that's
20:10
Speaker 1: gonna be something that needs to be looked at. But
20:12
Speaker 1: he is a real, real deal. He's a real prospect.
20:16
Speaker 1: And in Jeff and I have talked about it on
20:19
Speaker 1: the show that we feel like you need to look
20:21
Speaker 1: at quarterback. I don't think that is a you know,
20:23
Speaker 1: Gardner Vintchew has submitted himself as the future at that position.
20:26
Speaker 1: Nick Folds is still in the roster. We wait and
20:29
Speaker 1: see what happens there. I think there will be a
20:31
Speaker 1: competition between the two of them. Um However, I think
20:35
Speaker 1: Gardner as a lead right now. So you still all
20:38
Speaker 1: that to be said. You need to do work on
20:40
Speaker 1: this quarterback class. And if Justin Herbert is a guy
20:42
Speaker 1: that you feel like is a franchise quarterback that can
20:46
Speaker 1: win you a Super Bowl, that he is one of
20:48
Speaker 1: those guys that can lead a franchise by putting him
20:51
Speaker 1: on his back because of his skill set, his makeup
20:55
Speaker 1: and everything else. Did I think you have to take
20:57
Speaker 1: an honest look at pick you know, do you pick
20:59
Speaker 1: him at number line? Because I think what we see
21:03
Speaker 1: look at the look at the Kansas City Chiefs. The
21:06
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs had Alex Smith, who was a playoff
21:09
Speaker 1: caliber quarterback, was one of the highest rated quarterbacks in
21:13
Speaker 1: the NFL, you know, top ten, maybe even top five
21:17
Speaker 1: the year they picked Patrick Mahomes and they went from
21:20
Speaker 1: twenty seven to ten because they had a conviction that
21:23
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes would be a guy, the guy, a franchise
21:28
Speaker 1: quarterback they can lead them to championships. And and what
21:31
Speaker 1: has he done since he's been there. He's led them
21:34
Speaker 1: to two a C championships. And now to a sorry
21:38
Speaker 1: about that the camera slide a little bit, uh and
21:41
Speaker 1: and now to a Super Bowl and so, but they
21:45
Speaker 1: had a conviction. They went from twenty seven to ten.
21:48
Speaker 1: They gave up future draft capital, they gave up first rounders. Well,
21:52
Speaker 1: if you're the Jacksville Jaguars, and if you think that
21:55
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert is one of those type of guys, I
21:58
Speaker 1: don't care if what you think about you know you
22:01
Speaker 1: have unknown about Gardner, Mintschell, you have to pick that guy.
22:06
Speaker 1: The question that will come up, and I think Justin
22:09
Speaker 1: Herbert addressed it a little bit in his press conference
22:11
Speaker 1: time earlier this week in Mobile. It was on Tuesday,
22:14
Speaker 1: was the media day. Um was that he's not He's
22:18
Speaker 1: kind of quiet. You know, he's not a vocal raw
22:21
Speaker 1: ra guy. And a lot of times NFL people want
22:25
Speaker 1: that kind of leadership, especially out of a quarterback, a
22:29
Speaker 1: guy who's gonna get everybody go on the right place.
22:31
Speaker 1: He didn't really seem to have that fire, but it
22:34
Speaker 1: sounds like he's you know, I don't know how much
22:36
Speaker 1: you can work on that now, but um, how you
22:39
Speaker 1: approach the interview sessions and everything moving ahead, that can adjust,
22:43
Speaker 1: you know, leading up to the draft. But I think
22:45
Speaker 1: that's something that will come up over the next couple
22:47
Speaker 1: of months. Where do you where are you on that,
22:49
Speaker 1: especially with a quarterback who may not be the most talkative,
22:53
Speaker 1: who might be a little quiet behind the scenes, Does
22:57
Speaker 1: that equate to anything for you? Absolutely? I think leadership
23:01
Speaker 1: is a critical portion part of that position. Now, I
23:06
Speaker 1: don't just want a great leader but he can't throw
23:08
Speaker 1: the ball, that he can't play quarterback. I mean that
23:11
Speaker 1: was the big thing with Tim Tebow. And he's coming
23:13
Speaker 1: out one of the great college quarterbacks, a top hundred
23:18
Speaker 1: fifty all time player in college football, amazing football player,
23:21
Speaker 1: and one of the great leaders to ever play the
23:23
Speaker 1: game of football to college football at that level. And
23:28
Speaker 1: a lot of people said, you need to pick Tim
23:30
Speaker 1: Tebow because he's a leader, and don't worry about his accuracy,
23:35
Speaker 1: don't worry about his throwing motion, don't worry about his
23:37
Speaker 1: efficiency in the passing game because he's a leader. Well,
23:41
Speaker 1: in my opinion, that's a piece of it. But you
23:44
Speaker 1: better have the leadership and the skill set. You need
23:48
Speaker 1: both if you want to be a great quarterback. Now,
23:50
Speaker 1: you can lead different ways. Not everyone has to be
23:52
Speaker 1: in your face, yelling, raw rod cheer leader type of guy. Um,
23:56
Speaker 1: there's effective ways of lead and and The question is
23:58
Speaker 1: is Justin Herbert a leader? That's the question you have
24:01
Speaker 1: to answer. Not. You know, his style is one thing.
24:05
Speaker 1: Everyone has different styles to lead and football and business
24:08
Speaker 1: and families, whatever it is. But is he a leader?
24:11
Speaker 1: Do guys follow him? Is he influential? Does he move
24:15
Speaker 1: the needle? However he does it? And that's what you
24:18
Speaker 1: have to kind of discern through the interview process. Another
24:22
Speaker 1: name that kept popping up this week was Javon Kinlaw,
24:25
Speaker 1: the South Carolina defensive lineman, and some tendoned has flared
24:29
Speaker 1: up in his knee apparently, I think today, so he
24:33
Speaker 1: shut it down the rest of the week. Um great
24:36
Speaker 1: football players, six ft six pounds, big body, and his
24:41
Speaker 1: press conference earlier in the week, I believe on Monday
24:44
Speaker 1: evening when he spoke with a big group, it was
24:46
Speaker 1: really fascinating because he came up from a really tough
24:50
Speaker 1: background and worked his way up and he has the
24:52
Speaker 1: confidence that you need to. He wants to be the
24:54
Speaker 1: best defensive tackle of all time and then you say
24:57
Speaker 1: all those things, but there was a little something extra
25:00
Speaker 1: about him, and obviously stopping and run, having big bodies
25:04
Speaker 1: in the middle up front is something that this football
25:06
Speaker 1: team for the Jaguars might need moving ahead, especially if
25:09
Speaker 1: Marcel Darius has gone, which it it feels like that
25:12
Speaker 1: could be. Another guy who was walking around the Senior
25:14
Speaker 1: Bowl but was not participating was Derek Brown. He was
25:18
Speaker 1: in attendance, not officially, but he was in the lobby
25:21
Speaker 1: of the hotel with the Rosenhause brothers doing some business
25:25
Speaker 1: in the lobby this week. So uh, there were a
25:27
Speaker 1: lot of big name defensive tackles around Mobile Tony this week,
25:30
Speaker 1: which is, you know, it's pretty good group if you
25:33
Speaker 1: look at the top of that that group in this class. Yeah,
25:36
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be sitting there at nine with a
25:37
Speaker 1: good chance maybe to get one of those guys. And
25:40
Speaker 1: I think, and listen, we've talked about in at length.
25:43
Speaker 1: You gotta build the lines. You gotta control the line
25:45
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. Um, I don't think you can win in
25:47
Speaker 1: this league without controlling the line of scrimmage. Now how
25:52
Speaker 1: you controlled is you can do it different ways. And
25:55
Speaker 1: you look at the San Francisco forty and ires were
25:58
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. They have a strong offense. The
26:00
Speaker 1: line they I think have three or four first rounders,
26:02
Speaker 1: They've invested in it. They run the ball, their physical,
26:04
Speaker 1: they're good playoffs and pass team. They protect and they
26:07
Speaker 1: have the best defensive line of football. They're dominant and
26:09
Speaker 1: I think they have four first rounders on that side.
26:11
Speaker 1: So they've invested heavily on their lines and it's gotten
26:15
Speaker 1: them to a championship. Um, you look at the Kansas
26:17
Speaker 1: City Chiefs, Um, they've done a little bit different. They
26:20
Speaker 1: have a good offensive line, but they're more finesse. They
26:23
Speaker 1: control it by the style they play. But they protect
26:26
Speaker 1: Patriwick go Homes and you watch you look at games
26:30
Speaker 1: where Mahomes is struggled is because they can't protect him.
26:33
Speaker 1: When Eric Fisher was out, Cam Irving was their left tackle.
26:36
Speaker 1: He couldn't protect mahomes production and their productions and offense
26:40
Speaker 1: went down. So you have to be able to protect.
26:42
Speaker 1: That's how the Kansas Chiefs do it. One of the
26:44
Speaker 1: big achilles heels of the of the Chiefs, and especially
26:47
Speaker 1: when Chris Jones was out. He was back last week
26:49
Speaker 1: for the FC Championship. They were a different team. Is
26:51
Speaker 1: they struggled to stop the run. Earlier in the year
26:54
Speaker 1: they were. I mean, here's a great statistic for the Chiefs.
26:56
Speaker 1: There are four and four in the first eight games
27:00
Speaker 1: and they were giving up I believe it was a
27:03
Speaker 1: hundred and forty five yards a game. Since then, any
27:07
Speaker 1: game under uh they gave up under a hundred and
27:10
Speaker 1: ten yards and maybe it wasn't four or four, but
27:12
Speaker 1: any game they gave up under a hundred ten yards
27:14
Speaker 1: rushing they were undefeated. Over a rushing yards they were
27:18
Speaker 1: four and for And so you look at the difference
27:21
Speaker 1: and you look how much better that defense has gotten
27:23
Speaker 1: because they've controlled the line scrimage, have stopped the run,
27:25
Speaker 1: and they've changed who they are defensively. So we have
27:29
Speaker 1: to be able to control the line of scrimage. That
27:30
Speaker 1: means outside the quarterback, which is the most important. You
27:35
Speaker 1: have to be able to block people and you have
27:37
Speaker 1: to be able to stop people from running, and you
27:40
Speaker 1: have to affect the quarterback. Where the two groups that
27:42
Speaker 1: you do that with is your offensive line slash tight end.
27:45
Speaker 1: We've talked about the importance of getting it tied at
27:47
Speaker 1: here and the defensive line. We saw weakness there that
27:50
Speaker 1: we we we had some weaknesses there this year, and
27:52
Speaker 1: so I think you have to invest inside out. You
27:55
Speaker 1: have to invest in big people. And it's a pretty
27:58
Speaker 1: good it's a pretty good class. You just talked about
28:00
Speaker 1: a couple of the guys on the defense tackle. I
28:01
Speaker 1: haven't done a lot of homework, just watching them on
28:03
Speaker 1: TV this year, and you can see how good they
28:06
Speaker 1: are on TV. I'm looking forward to looking at the film. Um.
28:09
Speaker 1: But it's also a deep draft for tackles, offensive tackles.
28:12
Speaker 1: Maybe some of those tackles can be slid into guards
28:15
Speaker 1: that were college tackles. So there's an opportunity for this
28:18
Speaker 1: team to get there's an opportunity for this team to
28:19
Speaker 1: get better on both lines. We ask you this, since
28:22
Speaker 1: you brought up the tackles position. Can Cam Robinson play guard?
28:27
Speaker 1: I have no idea. You never seen him do it. Um,
28:30
Speaker 1: he's probably never seen he's never seen him do it either.
28:33
Speaker 1: I don't think. Yeah, so you don't know, Kenny, how
28:36
Speaker 1: does he handle short space, quickness, quick reaction, everything's on
28:40
Speaker 1: top of you, quicker from guards, prepared to tackle. A
28:43
Speaker 1: lot of guys have been very good guards, I mean
28:46
Speaker 1: very good tackles in the college. It became all pro
28:48
Speaker 1: guards that Martin for the Cowboys is one of them.
28:50
Speaker 1: He's a tackling college I didn't feel like he had
28:52
Speaker 1: the athletic ability to play that. Um, in space in
28:55
Speaker 1: the pros and moving the right guard one of the
28:57
Speaker 1: best guards in football, So there is a pathway for that. Um.
29:03
Speaker 1: I think it would not surprise me at all if
29:05
Speaker 1: the Jaguars pick at left tackle uh in the draft
29:08
Speaker 1: this year and and then figure out where you put
29:12
Speaker 1: Cam and see if he can compete for a starting Johnny.
29:15
Speaker 1: That's the trick, right, I mean, if you move him
29:17
Speaker 1: to guard and have him compete, that means you know
29:21
Speaker 1: you're either nor Well is gonna be gone or Can's
29:24
Speaker 1: gonna be gone. Right those are the starting guards right now,
29:27
Speaker 1: or or Cam doesn't beat them out, and Cam's a
29:30
Speaker 1: backup okay, and he's just hanging out. There's a backup
29:34
Speaker 1: swing guy, right. I mean, I don't think any of
29:36
Speaker 1: us would disagree that we need to get better at
29:40
Speaker 1: at the offensive line. I think we need to be
29:41
Speaker 1: better at left tackle. UM. Now, I'm not saying you
29:45
Speaker 1: don't let Cam compete at left tackle. He's coming off
29:48
Speaker 1: in a c L. You know, he's a year under
29:50
Speaker 1: his belt. UM. Hopefully that he'll be able to take
29:54
Speaker 1: a step forward. But I think what we've seen is
29:56
Speaker 1: a consistent technique and footwork issues from the day he
30:00
Speaker 1: showed up here that have continued and become a habit,
30:03
Speaker 1: and regardless of how his knee feels, he's gonna have
30:07
Speaker 1: to change those habits. Let's let's touch on some of
30:10
Speaker 1: the things Dave called well Jaguars general manager discussed earlier
30:14
Speaker 1: this week in an interview on Jaguars dot com. He
30:16
Speaker 1: was in Mobile this week, and you know, the number
30:20
Speaker 1: one priority, he said in that press conference right after
30:23
Speaker 1: the end of the season, after they were both announced
30:25
Speaker 1: that Dave and Doug were both coming back. The number
30:28
Speaker 1: one priority was unique in Gotway and he still sounded
30:32
Speaker 1: confident that he could get the deal done and in
30:35
Speaker 1: Goquay would be a Jaguar. But then in Gotway. Over
30:38
Speaker 1: the next couple of days after that, As sent a
30:40
Speaker 1: few cryptic tweets out Tony one of those master of
30:44
Speaker 1: my Fate. The next one after that interview came out
30:48
Speaker 1: was don't believe everything you hear later that day one
30:52
Speaker 1: word free and then uh in a response to Robert Mathis.
30:57
Speaker 1: At one point, um he said, a new chapter. So
31:02
Speaker 1: the unique sounds like you know if you're if you're
31:04
Speaker 1: following tweets, which is a dangerous thing to do because
31:07
Speaker 1: you never know which path this is going to go down. Um,
31:11
Speaker 1: it sounds like he thinks he's going to be a
31:12
Speaker 1: free agent. There's he's not gonna be a He's not
31:15
Speaker 1: gonna be a free agent. I would be shocked if
31:18
Speaker 1: he's a free agent. I think the worst case scenario
31:21
Speaker 1: for him, which is you know, not great for him,
31:25
Speaker 1: is he's gonna be franchised. Best case scenario from him
31:27
Speaker 1: is he gets a long term deal and he gets
31:29
Speaker 1: what he wants. Um. You know, as far as Twitter
31:33
Speaker 1: and social media this time of year, I don't care,
31:36
Speaker 1: and I love you on I think he's a great player,
31:38
Speaker 1: and I think he's really a pro, and you want
31:41
Speaker 1: him on your team. But I don't care what the
31:43
Speaker 1: social media says because it's cryptic people. You know, I think,
31:48
Speaker 1: me included. You spend ways too much time on the
31:50
Speaker 1: day on social media and you say things and you
31:54
Speaker 1: put things out and who knows what it means, especially
31:57
Speaker 1: the way you guys communicating nowadays. So we'll wait and see. Um.
32:02
Speaker 1: The reality is the leverage right now is with the
32:05
Speaker 1: Jaguars because they have the franchise, Tech and Caldwell. This week,
32:10
Speaker 1: another obviously hot button topic is the quarterback positions. He
32:14
Speaker 1: didn't have a lot new to add to that this week,
32:17
Speaker 1: you know when I asked his status of his quarterback
32:19
Speaker 1: room here. But um, you know, in time, we'll see
32:22
Speaker 1: what happens with that. If they do, you think they'll
32:25
Speaker 1: shop folds. Do you what's gonna happen with that position?
32:29
Speaker 1: If you had to pick it right now? January? I
32:32
Speaker 1: both are back. I think they're both competing. I think
32:34
Speaker 1: going in Garnment she has a leg up. I just
32:37
Speaker 1: don't see anyone trading for Nick Foles' contract. Um, now
32:45
Speaker 1: do the Jaguars say if we trade and I don't
32:49
Speaker 1: know the cap ramifications JP, if we trade them, obviously,
32:53
Speaker 1: if we cut them, it's thirty four million dollars of
32:55
Speaker 1: dead money. If you trade him, could you trade him
33:00
Speaker 1: to a team that is looking for a guy to
33:03
Speaker 1: compete for the starting job and they take his cap
33:08
Speaker 1: number and you the Jaguars pay a significant piece of
33:12
Speaker 1: his salary, and so you get him off the books.
33:17
Speaker 1: And we'd have to ask Tim Walsh or uh or
33:20
Speaker 1: someone in one of the cap experts exactly what a
33:23
Speaker 1: trade trigger is compared to being cut. But if you're
33:27
Speaker 1: able to get the cap relief, you wanted and trade him.
33:31
Speaker 1: Would you be willing to pay if his base salary
33:35
Speaker 1: is million dollars next year, are you willing to pay
33:38
Speaker 1: eighteen of it? Uh to trade him? Now? You could
33:44
Speaker 1: make the case that that makes sense because you free
33:46
Speaker 1: up the cap. You already owe it to him no
33:48
Speaker 1: matter what, So why not just pay it to him,
33:52
Speaker 1: Let him go beyond another team, and you free up
33:54
Speaker 1: the cap room and you can move on and build
33:56
Speaker 1: build out your roster um. So that, I mean, that's
33:59
Speaker 1: the ones that AREO. I think you could kind of
34:01
Speaker 1: look at. But you have to find the trading partner
34:05
Speaker 1: that basically says, we're okay taking the cap pip. We
34:09
Speaker 1: have plenty of cap room, and we feel like Nick
34:13
Speaker 1: Foles can compete for the starting job and help us win.
34:17
Speaker 1: Who that team is, you know, who knows who it is.
34:20
Speaker 1: But I think that's the only chance you have of
34:23
Speaker 1: seeing Nicholes not here. What if that's the Jaguars? What
34:26
Speaker 1: if it just they just let it ride? Yeah, that's
34:29
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I think I think most likely the
34:31
Speaker 1: scenario is gonna be is he's gonna be on this
34:33
Speaker 1: roster and then what if he comes out like last
34:36
Speaker 1: traded camp and and lights it up and looks ten
34:39
Speaker 1: times better than Gardner. Well, then we have a problem,
34:44
Speaker 1: do you no, No, when I say a problem that
34:48
Speaker 1: you have the controversy. You have a quarterback controversy of
34:51
Speaker 1: fans and we want Mark Minshew, we want Folds, and
34:53
Speaker 1: you go back and forth, and then the question is,
34:56
Speaker 1: at the first sign of trouble for Folds, do you
34:58
Speaker 1: have a team that's bounced back and forth between quarterbacks,
35:01
Speaker 1: which in the history of the NFL has not really
35:03
Speaker 1: worked very well. It's amazing how how fast that happened
35:09
Speaker 1: last year in training camp and the preseason and all
35:12
Speaker 1: that free agency. Nick Foles is coming. This is unbelievable. Wow,
35:16
Speaker 1: he's gone to two playoffs and it was a Super
35:18
Speaker 1: Bowl m v P and it was everybody loved him.
35:20
Speaker 1: And he gets hurt on the eleventh play and then
35:23
Speaker 1: men's humania happens. And then here comes Folds back off
35:26
Speaker 1: the bench and loses two games, it gets pulled out
35:29
Speaker 1: of another at halftime. And now you asked Jaguar fans
35:33
Speaker 1: and they want him out of town, a lot of them,
35:36
Speaker 1: which is that's a that's a fast turnaround. Yeah, it's
35:39
Speaker 1: a it's a little bit ridiculous JP in my opinion.
35:42
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy played two and a half games
35:44
Speaker 1: and and was hurt and had all kinds of issues. UM,
35:50
Speaker 1: So I I don't understand it, to be honest with you, UM,
35:54
Speaker 1: it's due to this though I actually do understand that
35:56
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say that. It's just it's unfortunate if you're
35:58
Speaker 1: Nick Foles. What happen it was is the hype of
36:02
Speaker 1: Nick Foles excitement. It was clear he was the better
36:06
Speaker 1: quarterback in training camp between him and Minshew. He's your starter.
36:10
Speaker 1: There's no questions. Heck, there's half the people. And I
36:13
Speaker 1: believe if you gave truth certain to the people in
36:15
Speaker 1: the building that they were looking to possibly cut Minshew
36:17
Speaker 1: and put him on practice squad or something and try
36:19
Speaker 1: to go get a veteran. UM. I don't think he
36:21
Speaker 1: was unanimous. Everyone thought that Minshew was to get back up.
36:24
Speaker 1: And I guarantee you there was no one in that
36:26
Speaker 1: building that, Hey, Mintshew could be the future franchise quarterback
36:30
Speaker 1: of this organization. UM. I don't buy that. But what
36:33
Speaker 1: happened is he came in and he excelled for a rookie,
36:37
Speaker 1: especially he wildly out performed any expectations, so it even
36:41
Speaker 1: feels better because of how far he outperformed the expectations.
36:45
Speaker 1: So now there's this excitement, there's this momentum and everything else.
36:50
Speaker 1: And when Folds comes back in and it goes as
36:53
Speaker 1: bad as it does, that's why you have this really
36:55
Speaker 1: all of a sudden dime, you know, just a die
37:00
Speaker 1: bollicles shift like just unbelievable, like off the chart shift
37:04
Speaker 1: from how we feel about foals and and how we
37:08
Speaker 1: feel about Minshe because of how much Folds underperformed compared
37:13
Speaker 1: to expectations means you overperformed compared to expectations. So it
37:17
Speaker 1: widens the gulf. And that's why we sit where we
37:19
Speaker 1: do today. Now, what's all that said. I'm not convinced
37:24
Speaker 1: that Nick Foles can't do it because that would mean
37:30
Speaker 1: what all of us saw on training camp was make
37:32
Speaker 1: believe what happened we sat there and launched it. Yeah,
37:37
Speaker 1: I don't buy that. Now. What I do believe is
37:40
Speaker 1: that in today's NFL, you're I think you need to
37:42
Speaker 1: have an athletic, globile quarterback. Not it doesn't have to
37:46
Speaker 1: be to the extent of Lamar Jackson, but you need
37:50
Speaker 1: a guy who can move in the pocket and make
37:52
Speaker 1: plays with his legs. Meant you is better at that
37:54
Speaker 1: than Nick Foles. And so it's gonna be really an
37:57
Speaker 1: interesting journey. Um and see how this plays out, and
38:02
Speaker 1: you know, and then you have the whole thing with
38:04
Speaker 1: what Jake Gruden and what kind of system does he
38:06
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38:09
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Speaker 1: Happy our g P, Shadrick Tony Bselly. Uh. That's another
42:46
Speaker 1: thing we haven't really touched on in this show yet,
42:48
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be a topic, I think, at least
42:50
Speaker 1: early in this off season. Is the strategy moving ahead
42:54
Speaker 1: a collective front from the organization, scouting, coaching, that it
42:58
Speaker 1: wasn't happening before is of note, which it makes me laugh. JP.
43:02
Speaker 1: We talked about this last week. Every time I hear
43:06
Speaker 1: that and I'm glad they're doing it, it's maybe I'm
43:11
Speaker 1: maybe I'm crazy, but I'm shocked that that's not how
43:13
Speaker 1: they were doing it before. I mean, in every organization
43:18
Speaker 1: that I know of, and I don't it's not like
43:19
Speaker 1: I'm intimate with every organization, but like that's just how
43:23
Speaker 1: it works. Like how do you build a roster without
43:28
Speaker 1: buy in from your coaching staff. It's interesting, Like the
43:33
Speaker 1: way it should be is like the coaching staff says,
43:36
Speaker 1: this is the style we're gonna play, this is the
43:38
Speaker 1: profile the players we want, and that we need to
43:41
Speaker 1: win football games, and it's the job of the GM
43:45
Speaker 1: and the scouts to go get those guys into working
43:48
Speaker 1: collaboration with the coaching staff. Which sounds like that's what
43:52
Speaker 1: they're doing now. But why was that not happening before?
43:57
Speaker 1: But I guess what And it's good question, it's a
44:00
Speaker 1: fair question. But at the same time time, I guess
44:03
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter at this point. UM, it sounds like
44:08
Speaker 1: they got it right. So hopefully we see a difference
44:10
Speaker 1: in a good change in that UM we get a
44:13
Speaker 1: going and it's it's not too late in the sense
44:17
Speaker 1: of not too late overall. Obviously it's not too late
44:19
Speaker 1: over all. You can rebuild and do it. But I
44:21
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44:24
Speaker 1: important year, and I hope it's not too late for UM,
44:27
Speaker 1: this group that they can figure out and rebuild the
44:30
Speaker 1: roster and and get us to a point as an
44:33
Speaker 1: organization that we're in the playoffs next year and we're
44:37
Speaker 1: fighting and we're in the tournament because once you get
44:40
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44:41
Speaker 1: the super Bowl, and that's what everyone's playing for. Well,
44:44
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44:46
Speaker 1: we'll go over her visit to the Pro Bowl. Here
44:49
Speaker 1: from a couple of the Jaguars players and a Hall
44:51
Speaker 1: of Fame defensive lineman who played against you, Tony. That's
44:55
Speaker 1: coming up, but first let's recap the championship games from
44:59
Speaker 1: last week. The Chiefs over the Titans of the FC
45:02
Speaker 1: Championship game the final. Patrick Mahomes was spectacular in that
45:08
Speaker 1: football game, Tony. Yeah, I did that game, and um,
45:12
Speaker 1: he is a great player. I mean, for my money,
45:17
Speaker 1: he's the best quarterback in football. Now. He didn't have
45:20
Speaker 1: the best year. Lamar Jackson had the best year at
45:22
Speaker 1: that position, and I think he's the m v P
45:24
Speaker 1: and he deserves it. He was fabulous this year. But
45:26
Speaker 1: the best quarterback, I would argue, the best football player,
45:31
Speaker 1: um is Patrick Holmes. From the standpoint of imagine if
45:36
Speaker 1: you said, Okay, we're disbanding the NFL and we're creating
45:40
Speaker 1: a new football league, and there's thirty two teams, and
45:44
Speaker 1: every player goes into the draft, and we're gonna have,
45:49
Speaker 1: you know, all these rounds, and we're gonna pick who
45:53
Speaker 1: would be the first overall pick of every team. That's
45:58
Speaker 1: pretty darn close to Mahome I can't take him another guy.
46:03
Speaker 1: Who else would you pick besides Patrick Mahomes to build
46:06
Speaker 1: your team around. I mean, he could do it all.
46:10
Speaker 1: He is the best player. JP is fabulous. Um. But
46:13
Speaker 1: the biggest story to be the biggest story of that game, though,
46:16
Speaker 1: was just the awful and confusing and mind head scratching,
46:23
Speaker 1: mind bending strategy of the Tennessee Titans who decided to
46:27
Speaker 1: only give the hottest running back in the NFL, who's
46:32
Speaker 1: carried them to the playoffs three carries in the second
46:35
Speaker 1: half and everyone's as well. In the fourth quarter, they
46:39
Speaker 1: were down to possessions. Who cares? They were down to
46:44
Speaker 1: possessions to the same team, the Kansas City Chiefs. They
46:49
Speaker 1: got the ball with ten and a half minutes or
46:51
Speaker 1: ten fifteen left in the game. Do you know what
46:53
Speaker 1: they did? Out of eleven plays, they ran it ten
46:55
Speaker 1: times and they scored, and they got the ball back
46:59
Speaker 1: and they scored, and they won the football game. And
47:03
Speaker 1: this time they didn't run it coming out a halftime.
47:07
Speaker 1: Then with fourteen minutes left, down to eleven, they threw
47:11
Speaker 1: it five straight times and that was it. And then
47:14
Speaker 1: now they're down three possessions and now they're chasing their tail,
47:18
Speaker 1: holding on for dear life, trying to get back into it.
47:21
Speaker 1: But to give Derrick Henry three rushes in the second half.
47:24
Speaker 1: I gotta believe that Mike Rabel, who did a great
47:27
Speaker 1: job this year, and Arthur Smith, the coordinator, who did
47:30
Speaker 1: a fabulous job this year, but are kicking themselves as
47:34
Speaker 1: they watched that tape and review it and saying, how
47:36
Speaker 1: do we allow this to happen? Um, they're great coaches,
47:39
Speaker 1: they're outstanding coaches. They had great they had a great year.
47:42
Speaker 1: The Titans did. But that was I said it. During
47:44
Speaker 1: the middle of the game. I kept on saying, Yep,
47:47
Speaker 1: here they go. They're gonna go to They're gonna go
47:49
Speaker 1: to Derrick Henry, and they never did in the second half.
47:53
Speaker 1: Some quick thoughts about the NFC Championship game. The forty
47:56
Speaker 1: Niners over the Packers thirty seven and twenty. Jimmy can
48:00
Speaker 1: Raffalo through the ball eight times in the game. They
48:02
Speaker 1: dominated on the ground, Tony Yeah, when when when the
48:06
Speaker 1: Packers decided they didn't want to tackle the forty night
48:08
Speaker 1: and running backs and they were going to play two
48:10
Speaker 1: hand touch until he got ten yards down the field,
48:12
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you throw it right um, so, what's the
48:14
Speaker 1: point of throwing the football. You're more productive running the
48:16
Speaker 1: ball um less risk And the game actually went pretty
48:21
Speaker 1: much how I thought it was. I thought the Forts
48:22
Speaker 1: would dominate the Packers. They dominated them during the regular season,
48:26
Speaker 1: they dominated them during the playoffs. This playoff game, the
48:29
Speaker 1: championship game, I did not think that would be a
48:31
Speaker 1: close game. I thought the better game was the Chiefs
48:34
Speaker 1: and the Tenant and the Titans going in. It ended
48:36
Speaker 1: up being. Um, the Packers where they were thirteen and
48:41
Speaker 1: three this year the regular season, one a playoff game,
48:43
Speaker 1: but they were I think a pretty soft thirteen and
48:46
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48:49
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48:51
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52:49
Speaker 1: to jackson Ville to day. I think on what you
52:52
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52:56
Speaker 1: there were three Jaguars at the Pro Bowl this week.
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Speaker 1: And Klarius has done this thing before. But the other
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53:08
Speaker 1: time Pro Bowler, he gets it, he understands and throughout
53:11
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53:19
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53:25
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53:28
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53:31
Speaker 1: on the season, but the Pro Bowl really makes it
53:33
Speaker 1: a season that he will remember. I think I think
53:38
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53:42
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53:49
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53:54
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Speaker 1: Josh Salon in detail, and what a hear he had.
54:02
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54:06
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54:09
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54:12
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54:16
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54:19
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54:21
Speaker 1: that we missed one game and then was slowed up
54:23
Speaker 1: the second game. I mean the first game he came back,
54:26
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54:28
Speaker 1: that you were used to seeing. So he pretty much
54:31
Speaker 1: did that in the fourteen game season. He was outstanding.
54:34
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54:36
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54:39
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54:49
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54:54
Speaker 1: running um, so it could be tough. He earned his stripes.
54:57
Speaker 1: He played special teams and then he came out. I
54:59
Speaker 1: didn't see this coming, I'll be honest with you, um,
55:02
Speaker 1: but he was dynamic. He was a big play guy,
55:05
Speaker 1: and he had a great year and I'm really excited
55:07
Speaker 1: for him that he ended up making the Pro Bowl.
55:09
Speaker 1: Let's see what the future holds for him too. It
55:11
Speaker 1: seems bright for him and the Jaguars offense. You know,
55:14
Speaker 1: when you walk around a Pro Bowl practice, you never
55:17
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55:20
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55:22
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55:27
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55:30
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55:32
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55:35
Speaker 1: end Bruce Smith. He was talking to Josh Allen and
55:37
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55:40
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55:43
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55:46
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55:48
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55:51
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55:57
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56:00
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56:04
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56:09
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56:14
Speaker 1: voting process and in him having a short career. Uh,
56:18
Speaker 1: and his body of work wasn't necessarily complete. But while
56:22
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56:26
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56:32
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56:37
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56:41
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56:43
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56:46
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56:52
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56:54
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56:57
Speaker 1: right there with Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor. Uh, he's all
57:01
Speaker 1: time sack leader. Um, he did it for a long time.
57:04
Speaker 1: Multiple Defensive Player of the Year guy. I mean, he's dominant,
57:07
Speaker 1: and he was a great player, and and uh to
57:11
Speaker 1: hear him say I gave him all he could handle. Well,
57:13
Speaker 1: it's a pretty big compliment. He gave me a bunch
57:15
Speaker 1: of you know, it was no easy day at the
57:18
Speaker 1: beach trying to block the guy. Um. He was a
57:20
Speaker 1: great player, uh and played, you know, run, passed, he
57:24
Speaker 1: could do it all. And so to have someone like that,
57:26
Speaker 1: you know, it's pretty Uh. I'll be honest, it's it's
57:29
Speaker 1: really cool and it's UM means a lot. I always said,
57:33
Speaker 1: you know, obviously I want to make the Hall of Fame,
57:35
Speaker 1: and it's will be the huge, biggest UM individual on
57:39
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57:43
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57:46
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57:50
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57:53
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57:57
Speaker 1: And he's right, listen, I got hurt beer short. We'll
58:00
Speaker 1: see how the voters uh um kind of process that
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Speaker 1: again for the fourth time as a finalist. But to
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Speaker 1: have a guy like Bruce Smith say that, and you know,
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Speaker 1: Jason Taylor wrote a letter as well that was pretty cool.
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Speaker 1: And those guys are both all of famers, so that
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Speaker 1: means a lot. I won't lie Tony when I went
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Speaker 1: up there and said, I'm gonna ask you about Tony Bosella.
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Speaker 1: He kind of just gave me like a look like
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Speaker 1: he kind of just smirked and looked at me. I
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Speaker 1: was like, I guess that means, yes, we're going with it.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad as I give you credit because Bruce Is
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Speaker 1: can be an intimidating, intimidating dude, and uh, yeah, I
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Speaker 1: won't lie, and he was thank you. Yeah. I needed it.
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Speaker 1: I needed some encouragement and get in there. We did.
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Speaker 1: Like that you didn't back down. I love it. Show
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Speaker 1: that shows some grit. That's why. That's why you're great
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Speaker 1: at what you do. I love it. Thank you, Tony.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate he was very nice, nice guy. I don't
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Speaker 1: know what the hoopla was about. Good we had, you know,
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Speaker 1: we had some pretty big battles and uh, you didn't
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Speaker 1: know appreciate I think the way I blocked him and
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Speaker 1: maybe I might have taken and past the whistle a
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Speaker 1: few times, and I know he didn't appreciate that as well.
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Speaker 1: A time or two or three or four. Great one
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Speaker 1: man he was. I had to go past the whistle.
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Speaker 1: I just try to get him frustrated because if I
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Speaker 1: just played the normal game, he's gonna embarrass me. So
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Speaker 1: you had to get ide I had to get after him.
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Speaker 1: Is that good? Ashton well Donald Pro Bowl covers and
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Speaker 1: looking for that on Jaguars dot Com. I'll see over there,
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Speaker 1: Ashton Sultan with a stick around the Doug Brone Show
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Speaker 1: coming up. Tony's back as well. Thank you for watching
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Speaker 1: and listening to Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network.