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Uncle Headless' Magical Mailbag - The Aten Sun-Disk & More · The Occult Rejects

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Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
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Speaker 2: What what's gonna happen? What?
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Speaker 3: What up? Everybody? We're gonna have a very merry Mary
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Speaker 3: Headless is magical mail bag I got with me, my
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Speaker 3: co host Nick and special guests. Arrows up. Welcome everybody.
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Speaker 3: How are you guys doing?
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Speaker 1: Thank you Merry Christmas, Headless Mary. I'm surprised you're so fussive.
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Speaker 1: I have to be I have to be honest.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so was. I actually saw that.
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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I had to remind Nick to
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Speaker 3: take out his uh his Christmas.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, crackhead tree.
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Speaker 4: But you know that I told forgot to get like ornaments.
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Speaker 4: I was supposed to get orbibands, and I was like, yo,
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Speaker 4: I can't go on with this ship. So I literally
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Speaker 4: unplugged it and threw it in the kitchen before the show,
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Speaker 4: and he's like, no, you gotta pull that ship out.
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Speaker 2: I was like fucking I was like, it's a Charlie
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Speaker 2: Brown Christmas.
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Speaker 3: Tree, Charlie Brown Christmas perfect?
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Speaker 1: Is it? Because it's so like skinny?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: I don't yeah, I don't think if you tell you
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Speaker 4: honest with you, I was supposed to like push that
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Speaker 4: ship down more too, Like I I really dropped the bowl.
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Speaker 2: I really didn't give a ship about puting the tree up.
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Speaker 4: Honestly, my father, my father mailed it to me, so
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Speaker 4: I was like, I guess I gotta put it up right.
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Speaker 2: So next year, where's yours, arrows.
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Speaker 1: I don't have a tree, never owned a tree.
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Speaker 4: Gonna give you a little honeica bush.
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Speaker 1: That's it, That's that's possible.
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Speaker 3: You can hang like.
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Speaker 2: There, you go, make a capitalistic tree, get chipolotry.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
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Speaker 2: Next year, that's what I'll do. I'll say, yeah, I'll
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Speaker 2: hang for that.
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Speaker 3: Well, today we're going with the sun theme. We didn't
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Speaker 3: negotiate this beforehand, but I'll go first. My symbol sol Invictus,
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Speaker 3: also Helios, also Apollo, also all of these different sun
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Speaker 3: gods sort of all came together and they wanted to
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Speaker 3: make at around the second century a d. Sol Invictus
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Speaker 3: the Unconquered Sun, the official head of the Roman patheon.
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Speaker 3: But it didn't work out that way and we got
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Speaker 3: a different head of the Roman patheon. But what's interesting
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Speaker 3: is this mural of Sol Invictus. Sol Invictus is in
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Speaker 3: the basement of the Vatican, and that's actually Jesus right there.
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Speaker 3: So what they were trying to do is merge these
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Speaker 3: two cults into one thing, and well it didn't work
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Speaker 3: out that way, as you can see. But really, the
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Speaker 3: way you can tell if it's a Soul in Victis
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Speaker 3: painting is either if it has Mithras in there with
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Speaker 3: the bulls laying the bull because that's also Sole Invictus,
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Speaker 3: or it's got this guy with the four horses, right,
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Speaker 3: and he's got this big halo with all of these
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Speaker 3: you know, bright kind of rays coming off of it
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Speaker 3: a lot like the Statue of Liberty, right, and the
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Speaker 3: Sole Invictus character is part of a cult ritual initiation
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Speaker 3: that is very Thracian, very Thracian. So all of the
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Speaker 3: sort of Mithras slash Sole Invictis cult stuff is really
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Speaker 3: coming through Persia as this new cult sort of dynasty.
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Speaker 3: The old cult dynasty the was the Elucidian Mystery Schools,
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Speaker 3: and so this new cult dynasty was Mithras. And you
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Speaker 3: even have some of the people from Elucidian Mystery Schools
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Speaker 3: complaining that now all of the rights are from Mithras
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Speaker 3: and they're not actually from the Elucinian rights anymore. Now
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Speaker 3: we still don't know what those rights are, but there
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Speaker 3: is complaints that the Mythris cult sort of took over
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Speaker 3: everything at around this time period, around second century a d.
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Speaker 3: So it's a really interesting thing because soln Victis is
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Speaker 3: parallel with Jesus Christ, and they're both sort of on
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Speaker 3: the rise. And then the Christians got serious. You've got
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Speaker 3: Tertullian in the second century who says that the Mythris
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Speaker 3: cult is a vicious plagiarism of Christianity. Now got a second,
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Speaker 3: because we've got the archaeological evidence to show that there
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Speaker 3: was nothing plagiarized about soul and victory this in this
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Speaker 3: sort of cult of the sun from Christianity. In fact,
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Speaker 3: it was quite the reverse. So when Tertullian is saying
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Speaker 3: they're copying us, he's what I like to call he's accusing, accusing, accusing, right,
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Speaker 3: So it's an admission while he's making the accusation. So
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Speaker 3: it's an actuation. So that's what I got. Sol Invicti
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Speaker 3: also sol invictus. That's the reason why we have Christmas,
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Speaker 3: so very sole invictus day.
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Speaker 2: I dig that crestion on the head.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's right. So this would be like Chronos,
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Speaker 3: I think, because Chronos is at the at the end
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Speaker 3: of the mysteries. Always when you go through these mysteries,
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Speaker 3: you meet Kronos, and so all of these journeys of
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Speaker 3: Sol Invictus and all the rest of the stuff, you're
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Speaker 3: not actually talking to him in the ceremony. This is
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Speaker 3: supposed to get you in the frame of mind so
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Speaker 3: that you can talk to Chronos. Now, what's interesting about
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Speaker 3: that too, is all of these DMT trips, you're going
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Speaker 3: into this realm and you're talking with like an archetype
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Speaker 3: character of kind of the architect of the universe, right,
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Speaker 3: which is a very Saturnian or Chronos type figure. And
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Speaker 3: people are seeing these machine elves, which you know, represent
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Speaker 3: sort of like the back rooms of the universe, and
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Speaker 3: they're putting everything together behind the scenes. They're working on something,
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Speaker 3: and we kind of see them as this, you know,
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Speaker 3: separate dimensional entity. But they could have been having similar
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Speaker 3: events in their time period. Maybe they just saw it differently.
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Speaker 3: Maybe it was more of this grandfatherly figure as opposed
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Speaker 3: to whatever the machine elves are represented by. But you know,
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Speaker 3: they've got a lot of different representations. So what you got, Nick,
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Speaker 3: let me bring this one up there.
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Speaker 4: We go at the yacht in sun Disc that yeah,
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Speaker 4: the Aton sun disc and it's you know, the sun
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Speaker 4: that has like rays in the end in hands. The
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Speaker 4: attend sign is a plain solar circle whose raised end
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Speaker 4: in tiny hands. Those hands often clutch anks to the
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Speaker 4: mouths of royal couple or people. Imagery of life transmitting
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Speaker 4: straight from the sun. The met the one of the
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Speaker 4: met notes exactly that this is Aten, a solar disc.
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Speaker 2: With raised ending in small human hands.
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Speaker 4: When and where it appears, you see it in the
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Speaker 4: reign of Akin Naton around thirteen fifty three to thirteen
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Speaker 4: thirty six BCE.
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Speaker 2: This form.
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Speaker 4: The form shows up on Alter's two wolves, boundary cliffs,
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Speaker 4: temple blocks, and house shruns. The famous house altar type
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Speaker 4: that you'd see you can find in the Berlin Neuez
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Speaker 4: Museum shows Acunatin, Nepher Titi and their daughters beneath the
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Speaker 4: rays which offer ax to the parents. Then you can
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Speaker 4: see it in any uh Amarna boundary stella. Acunaton's cliff
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Speaker 4: cut proclamations found uh found the new sacred city Anon
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Speaker 4: and repeatedly invoked oughten. The The Armarna Project lays out
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Speaker 4: the stella and the dates, and they have the wherever
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Speaker 4: and then there's in the Met Museum. The Met preserves
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Speaker 4: both Atten raided scenes and blocks with Aten's cartouches on it,
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Speaker 4: and the British Museum holds uh a piece of a
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Speaker 4: armno relief that carries.
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Speaker 2: Like the same Look what it is meant now? Who knows?
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Speaker 4: But ocntons the theology. Theology made the visible sun the
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Speaker 4: locus of the vine life. The Aughtan gives breath of
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Speaker 4: the directly to King and Queen. Everyone else receives it
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Speaker 4: through them. The text carved in Armano tombs, the Great
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Speaker 4: Hymn to the Aten, best preserved in the tomb of
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Speaker 4: Iye praise Aughtan as creator and sustain her and Dawn's raise,
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Speaker 4: awake the world and sets creatures to work, and fold
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Speaker 4: them into sleep at dusk to him, and the hymn
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Speaker 4: is our clearest statement of Aughten's cosmic monarchy. After Aca
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Speaker 4: Naughton's death, the symbol was suppressed. The restoration stelea of
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Speaker 4: too in Common proclaims that the gods shrines neglected, and
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Speaker 4: he basically one of them neglected or dismantled, and some
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Speaker 4: of them are reopened and like remade, so basically after
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Speaker 4: that they kind of like got rid of this symbol,
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Speaker 4: So I do have a few of them, though, I'll
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Speaker 4: show a couple of them.
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Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, that was another one. We see the
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Speaker 2: little hands given the.
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Speaker 3: ANX, right, so each ray from the sun is handing
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Speaker 3: out an anc That is a hell of a party.
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Speaker 4: So cute hands, like I'm trying to make sure they
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Speaker 4: had a digits.
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Speaker 3: Right, might have an extra one, right, call the president,
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Speaker 3: we've got an extra finger. No, but I think it's
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Speaker 3: really interesting that they have the uh, you know, the
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Speaker 3: this is like their form of monotheism, right, it was
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Speaker 3: the visible sun now replaces all the other gods as
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Speaker 3: the central theme in all of the religious worship. It's
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Speaker 3: it's really interesting that we've got that same theme sort
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Speaker 3: of happening again and again.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the sun is so closely linked to creation. But
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Speaker 1: also isn't that nk like kind of like your higher self,
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Speaker 1: like you're most like transformed highest self.
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Speaker 3: That could be a New Age interpretation. I've always heard
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Speaker 3: that it represents the sandal, like it's the sandal strap.
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Speaker 3: So what does that say is that, like, you know,
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Speaker 3: good journey. I feel like it has like a good
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Speaker 3: luck symbolism because it's always in a thing as a
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Speaker 3: positive symbol like nobody's handing somebody in ONC as a curse.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's always a good thing.
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Speaker 1: I see it, and I think that it's the sun
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Speaker 1: in these little hands handing people like their daemon or
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Speaker 1: HGA or something.
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Speaker 3: A lot of ways I could see that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't even Yeah, I wonder if it is
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Speaker 4: interesting with the ONC. Yeah, there's so many speculations of
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Speaker 4: what the UK could even be a do. So then
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Speaker 4: you even have to wonder like what that well, what
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Speaker 4: that really is telling you. You know, some people sometimes
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Speaker 4: wonder if likens can make like a sound or a
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Speaker 4: frequency or have something to do with that. If that's
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Speaker 4: the case, is that have something to do with why
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Speaker 4: it's in the coming out of the sun for certain frequency,
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Speaker 4: I don't know code.
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Speaker 3: I've heard people say that it's a plasma wave. So
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Speaker 3: if you were to take a metal object shaped like
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Speaker 3: an ONC and then put a charge through it, you
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Speaker 3: get some sort of a plasma wave, and so who
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Speaker 3: knows that could be you know, plasma from the sun,
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Speaker 3: plasma wave, so it could be reaching. But I'd love
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Speaker 3: to give it a try.
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Speaker 1: I wonder if you'd have to hook a thing up
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Speaker 1: to the sides or the bottom right.
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Speaker 3: Well, apparently, like I don't know, they've got so many
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Speaker 3: like schematic like hieroglyphs in Egypt. I'll bet you could
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Speaker 3: find some sort of reproduction of some of their maybe
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Speaker 3: more mysterious tools to figure out what the act does,
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Speaker 3: but that would take a while. Who knows what kind
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Speaker 3: of material they were using.
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Speaker 1: I find it so hard to even find like good
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Speaker 1: stuff from Egypt, like good literature anything.
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Speaker 2: You kind of sort of wonder how much of all
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Speaker 2: that stuff is a lot of bullshit. It's you know what,
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Speaker 2: you know, what the thing is too?
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Speaker 4: Is like even I think probably even for us, like
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Speaker 4: people who are like either study, they cull to at
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Speaker 4: least symbolism. Sometimes when you even kind of look at
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Speaker 4: like what's supposedly these academics are what it's being said,
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Speaker 4: is being drawn or it's just like that doesn't even
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Speaker 4: make sense going by other things that I kind of
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Speaker 4: have an idea about, you know, just even sometimes with
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Speaker 4: the cult symbolism, I just don't buy like what this
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Speaker 4: supposed shit on the wall says.
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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, I like, how'd you get that?
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Sometimes I just yeah, I have to
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Speaker 2: even I just question all that.
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Speaker 3: Shit, honestly, right, I think it's far too easy for
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Speaker 3: people to put their you know, modern perspective on what
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Speaker 3: they were thinking about back then, because you know, they
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Speaker 3: could have had a completely different frame of reference for
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Speaker 3: a lot of these symbols that, you know, we might
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Speaker 3: know what they sound like, but we're not exactly sure
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Speaker 3: on the total meaning of them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the eternal truths are still the eternal truths.
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Speaker 3: Very true, very true. So what what is your take
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Speaker 3: on the soul invictus symbol.
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Speaker 1: I'll bring it back up if you would. There was
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Speaker 1: like maple leaves on there, which.
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Speaker 3: Seems I don't know if those are maple leaves. They
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Speaker 3: look a lot more like grape leaves to me.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah they do.
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Speaker 1: Actually, Well, I guess that would that makes sense right
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Speaker 1: with the mythra stuff, because isn't it so linked to
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Speaker 1: like Dionysus.
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Speaker 3: Well, one guy who's called the Sun is very much
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Speaker 3: linked to Dionysus, and this is one of the reasons
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Speaker 3: why they're like, what is a what is a Dionysian
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Speaker 3: solin victis doing here? Well, again, it's very Thracian. But
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Speaker 3: the dying and rising god having to do with the
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Speaker 3: December twenty fifth around the death and rebirth of the Sun.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's the whole thing with solen Victus is
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Speaker 3: they call him unconquerable because he comes back at the
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Speaker 3: end of this time period where they're celebrating the death
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Speaker 3: and rebirth of the Sun. So it's a it's a
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Speaker 3: very important date for the Romans. You also have Saturnalia,
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Speaker 3: which is another feast day around this time as well,
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Speaker 3: that very influential. Against Saturnalia, it's focused on Chronos, the
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Speaker 3: end boss of all of the these mystery schools. So and
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Speaker 3: also you've got the Christmas Star. The Christmas Star is
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Speaker 3: where about every ten years you have Jupiter and Saturn
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Speaker 3: intersecting right around December twenty fifth. So the Christmas Star
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Speaker 3: is another big one. And you know they make a
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Speaker 3: big deal in the Thracian versions with the Thracian Rider
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Speaker 3: about the two stars, right, and they assume it's Castor
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Speaker 3: and Pollux, but those two stars could be Jupiter and
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Speaker 3: Saturn because they do conjoin during the Christmas holiday.
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Speaker 1: That's kind of interesting because like they're reuniting again after
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Speaker 1: Zeus took power or something. But there's also horses and
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Speaker 1: that seems so related to the Sun, right, like Helios
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Speaker 1: and just.
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Speaker 3: Very solar, right, Helios, sol Invictus, and Mithras are very
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Speaker 3: very closely related. Specifically Helios. It was more Apollo in
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Speaker 3: southern Italy and in you know, Delphi as well, but
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Speaker 3: in Rome it was Helios. Helios really took the lead.
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Speaker 3: It was a lot less about Apollo, but you know,
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Speaker 3: they weren't disrespectful to it towards Apollo. It's just funny
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Speaker 3: how these different depictions of the Sun get used in
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Speaker 3: different contexts. And in the you know, first second century
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Speaker 3: a D. It was mostly Helios, which is funny because
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Speaker 3: he represents sort of like two generations removed from the
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Speaker 3: current gods that were ruling the world because he's, you know,
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Speaker 3: Helios was the Titan god of the Sun. He's the
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Speaker 3: one who kept on the chariot instead of engaging in
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Speaker 3: Titana Machi. So he was never part of the war
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Speaker 3: against the Titans.
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Speaker 1: I feel like too, having I just don't think Jesus.
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Speaker 1: I just don't think there's much of a relation between
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Speaker 1: Jesus and the Sun or like solar symbolism at all.
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Speaker 3: Really. So he's the son and he's got the twelve Disciples,
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Speaker 3: and the twelve Disciples are representative of the twelve signs
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Speaker 3: of the zodiac. And you know, he's he's killed and
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Speaker 3: then reborn in the spring.
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Speaker 1: So I don't see death and rebirth being really that
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Speaker 1: Solar I would, I don't know. And he's more like
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Speaker 1: he's a martyr. He's I know that he says like
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Speaker 1: know yourself, right, he does say that, but like he says,
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Speaker 1: to get into the Kingdom of Heaven, you have to
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Speaker 1: like know yourself. But I just feel like just his
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Speaker 1: his temperament, what he really stands for, like martyrdom and
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Speaker 1: like being of service and stuff like that. It does
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Speaker 1: not scream Solar to me at all, because Solar is
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Speaker 1: like knowing yourself and embodying like your true authenticity and
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Speaker 1: stuff like that. I don't know.
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Speaker 3: In some ways, I think the way that Tertullian puts
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Speaker 3: it is that they were copying off of the story
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Speaker 3: of Jesus in the creation of Mithras, which we know
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Speaker 3: that Mithris came around first, and we've got the archaeological
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Speaker 3: evidence of that. So the difference between these two cults
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Speaker 3: was that the Jesus cult was opened absolutely everybody, and
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Speaker 3: the Mithris cult was very exclusive. They mostly centered around
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Speaker 3: high military personnel and and you know, people within the
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Speaker 3: institution of government. Already, Christianity didn't focus just solely on
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Speaker 3: the institution of government. They wanted everybody, so they were
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Speaker 3: converting all sorts of people, whereas the Romans actually had to,
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Speaker 3: like the Roman soldiers themselves paid for all of the
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Speaker 3: things that they built with the Mithras cult. So all
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Speaker 3: of those caves, all that stuff that was paid for
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Speaker 3: personally by the soldiers that were engaged in that cult activity.
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Speaker 3: So all throughout the region, all the way up into England,
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Speaker 3: they're building these themselves. This is not a Roman project.
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Speaker 3: This is completely separate from that, which is I think
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Speaker 3: it's kind of interesting. They wanted to keep their money
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Speaker 3: separate from the government. They wanted to have autonomy. But anyways,
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Speaker 3: so we have you on the show because you have
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Speaker 3: an experience that you want to share with us.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's just a dream, I don't know, like might
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Speaker 1: as well. Okay, So I had this dream a couple
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Speaker 1: nights ago. The first one it was, there was two dreams.
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Speaker 1: The first isn't as detailed, but it was like I
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Speaker 1: was going to this city. It was like all snowy,
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Speaker 1: so it was just very white and there were these
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Speaker 1: people there, and it was like clear that they had
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Speaker 1: killed everybody that lived in the town. And it was
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Speaker 1: like this weird cult type thing, like they didn't want
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Speaker 1: me to leave. It seemed like I was kind of
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Speaker 1: like one of them or whatever, because like I could fly,
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Speaker 1: I gotn't. I couldn't fly away from them though, like
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Speaker 1: we kept the same speed, and that was that's basically it.
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Speaker 1: But then the second dream, that's weird. It was weird
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Speaker 1: because it was like so just white themed.
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Speaker 4: And I think it's way that you knew you couldn't
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Speaker 4: fly faster than them, you know what I'm saying, Like
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Speaker 4: you even like you even had to struggle in your dream.
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Speaker 4: That's just weird, you know what I'm saying that you
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Speaker 4: even acknowledged that, Oh.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I kept trying to fly away, but they
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Speaker 1: kept the same speed, and then I would just get
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Speaker 1: exhausted and give up.
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Speaker 3: A lifelong attempter to fly in my dreams. I found
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Speaker 3: that if I'm having a lucid dream and then you know,
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Speaker 3: it's like all right, now it's time to try to fly, right,
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Speaker 3: What I find is that it's a lot more like
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Speaker 3: the Hulk, you know, the Hulp just sort of jumps
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Speaker 3: over entire continents. Yeah, and it's not exactly flying. It
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Speaker 3: seemed more like that sensation as opposed to actual flight.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 1: I had one lucid dream once where I like trained
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Speaker 1: myself to look at my hands right, because you need
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Speaker 1: a trigger in your dream to be able to like
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Speaker 1: notice that you're asleep to be able to control it.
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Speaker 1: So that was like my thing. I would just like
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Speaker 1: multiple times a day just look at my hands and
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Speaker 1: be like, Wow, I'm really aware of my hands. I'm
23:17
Speaker 1: awake right now. And then if you do that habitually,
23:21
Speaker 1: like you might do that in your dream. And I
23:23
Speaker 1: did do it in my dream and I was like, oh,
23:26
Speaker 1: I'm asleep, and then I was able to control the dream.
23:30
Speaker 1: But I flew in that dream, and that was like
23:33
Speaker 1: real flight and that was awesome. But the second dream,
23:39
Speaker 1: I was at my childhood home and like we have
23:45
Speaker 1: like we had a house kind of above our garage,
23:49
Speaker 1: and like two commercial vehicles came into the driveway and
23:54
Speaker 1: then one of them left and I was like, Okay,
23:56
Speaker 1: that's really weird. It's night. And so I was like
24:01
Speaker 1: plotting up this escape plan and so I was like, Okay,
24:08
Speaker 1: I'll go on the balcony, I'll climb down the fence
24:12
Speaker 1: to the side and then like run away. But they
24:17
Speaker 1: had like surrounded the house, and so they like caught
24:23
Speaker 1: me and they were like making me do all of
24:25
Speaker 1: these like psychic weird training things with some other random
24:32
Speaker 1: dude that they had kidnapped. And they put like these
24:38
Speaker 1: weird things in my thighs, like these metal discs. Yeah, yep,
24:47
Speaker 1: And and those discs made it so like I couldn't run.
24:50
Speaker 2: Away go again. Another thing with you not being able
24:53
Speaker 2: to go fast.
24:56
Speaker 1: That's like. But yeah, they were like making us do
25:02
Speaker 1: these weird psychic trainings and stuff. And I remember like
25:05
Speaker 1: at one point it was like I don't know, just
25:09
Speaker 1: great despair, you know, Like I was doing a training
25:14
Speaker 1: with this random dude. We fall on the ground and
25:16
Speaker 1: we're just like devastated at the loss of our freedom
25:23
Speaker 1: and like, you know, our families that we had left
25:27
Speaker 1: behind all that stuff. And then I had like cut
25:34
Speaker 1: the discs out of my leg.
25:36
Speaker 3: Oh fuck.
25:38
Speaker 1: So I had this plan and this like chick that
25:42
Speaker 1: was like our handler or whatever, she was like, oh,
25:45
Speaker 1: you don't sleep very much, do you? And I was like,
25:48
Speaker 1: why do you care? Then she went and she went
25:53
Speaker 1: away for the day, and like the random dude also
25:56
Speaker 1: was asleep. So I was like, okay, this is my time.
25:59
Speaker 1: I cut the I'm out of my thighs. I can
26:01
Speaker 1: run now, and so I did, and I went to
26:04
Speaker 1: like go see my sister, who was a She was
26:10
Speaker 1: like doing this bake off or something. And so I
26:15
Speaker 1: get there and there's like all these people and there's
26:20
Speaker 1: like people selling their base goods. Some of them are
26:24
Speaker 1: cleaning up, so it's like nearing the end of it.
26:27
Speaker 1: And so I go up to my sister and I'm like,
26:31
Speaker 1: you know, we exchange haze and then I feel a
26:35
Speaker 1: needle in my butt cheek and it was like my
26:43
Speaker 1: sister was somehow like in on it or something. And
26:48
Speaker 1: then it was like in my head, I was like, okay,
26:51
Speaker 1: well I'm about to be sedated. I could feel like
26:56
Speaker 1: myself getting sleepy. So I was like, well, what should
26:58
Speaker 1: I do. Could I like run to like a truck
27:01
Speaker 1: that's like maybe about to leave and hope that they
27:04
Speaker 1: don't have a tracker in me, or maybe I could
27:07
Speaker 1: like you know, at least create some distance, try to
27:12
Speaker 1: figure something else out, or I was like maybe I
27:14
Speaker 1: could jump into a random river and maybe that'll take
27:19
Speaker 1: me somewhere. Or I was like I could run into
27:24
Speaker 1: oncoming traffic, but it was like I just knew I
27:28
Speaker 1: had to start running, but I woke up at that point.
27:32
Speaker 2: But yeah, yo, that is a bug down dream. Very
27:38
Speaker 2: detailed a lot of.
27:42
Speaker 4: Like even the fact that you were contemplating, like the
27:44
Speaker 4: loss of your freedom.
27:45
Speaker 3: Oh right, yeah, like if I was, if I was
27:50
Speaker 3: going to go the analysis approach, it feels like you're
27:54
Speaker 3: not in control.
27:56
Speaker 4: You know, two things the same thing, and both of
27:59
Speaker 4: them something to do with all three.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, there was a third one too, where there
28:04
Speaker 1: was a spider and I was like with my family
28:08
Speaker 1: and I was like scared of this fighter. I was
28:10
Speaker 1: like I don't trust this spider and my family just
28:14
Speaker 1: like having a conversation and stuff like that, and I
28:17
Speaker 1: was like I was like the spider and they're like
28:20
Speaker 1: just doing their thing. And then like it like ran
28:24
Speaker 1: up me really quickly and onto my throat and I
28:27
Speaker 1: was like, oh, no, help, help, and then it bit
28:29
Speaker 1: my throat and I like felt that and I felt
28:33
Speaker 1: the venom going into me, and then I died.
28:36
Speaker 3: You died in your dream I heard that that's that
28:40
Speaker 3: could be hazardous to your health. I've never actually died.
28:43
Speaker 3: It's always like when I get close to being dead,
28:45
Speaker 3: that's what I wake up. Yeah, what happens after you?
28:55
Speaker 3: Is that? Just do you remember project.
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Speaker 1: No, I've never askedrol projected before actually.
29:03
Speaker 2: Me actual projecting in your dream.
29:05
Speaker 4: That's like some fucking weird shit right there, inception type
29:09
Speaker 4: stuff right there.
29:10
Speaker 1: Have you guys ever asked Wrold projected? As for it
29:13
Speaker 1: just goes black and then you wake up.
29:17
Speaker 4: There's been times where I felt like I was like
29:22
Speaker 4: somewhere that I was like viewing something, but it also happened.
29:28
Speaker 4: Like a lot of the times when it did happen,
29:30
Speaker 4: it was always this is interesting. Always when I was
29:32
Speaker 4: extremely sick, like high fevers to it, I have like
29:36
Speaker 4: these delirious almost like delirious episodes.
29:41
Speaker 2: But I too it.
29:42
Speaker 4: Every time when it happens, it always feels extremely heavy,
29:44
Speaker 4: that as if like I fall out from underneath myself
29:50
Speaker 4: and then like I just go somewhere else and just
29:53
Speaker 4: view an area for a bit. That happened to me
29:58
Speaker 4: in jail once I was fucking sick in jail. It
30:00
Speaker 4: was in the shoe the whole thing I was talking
30:02
Speaker 4: about is of the email and I had I had
30:05
Speaker 4: a fucking one of the one of them there, and
30:06
Speaker 4: I was.
30:07
Speaker 2: Like, Yo, what's the fucking Yo.
30:08
Speaker 4: It's like to the point to where it's like you
30:10
Speaker 4: you could almost feel like there's like the density of
30:12
Speaker 4: like the area that you're in. Like I remember, I
30:14
Speaker 4: was somewhere where I thought it looked kind of like
30:16
Speaker 4: silent hill. I couldn't tell if it was snow or not,
30:18
Speaker 4: but it looked like white ship was falling. And it
30:21
Speaker 4: literally had the feeling of like you know, like when
30:22
Speaker 4: you like when you go out and it's just like
30:25
Speaker 4: if you went into the woods and it was snowing,
30:27
Speaker 4: it would just have this like deafening silence and like
30:30
Speaker 4: the air has thickness to it.
30:31
Speaker 2: I was feeling like all of that. Why.
30:34
Speaker 4: I was just like, yeah, this in this place that
30:36
Speaker 4: I was just witnessing, and it was just like these
30:39
Speaker 4: two pillars. It looked like two stone pillars and like
30:41
Speaker 4: I was on top of them or something. It was
30:43
Speaker 4: really weird and uh, but like it felt like it
30:47
Speaker 4: was so like and I'm not seeing my body, I'm
30:49
Speaker 4: just like visualizing the thing and it just felt so
30:52
Speaker 4: fucking real, like.
30:54
Speaker 1: Like I was eating, like feeling flying around.
30:57
Speaker 4: No, I was just there, like I was just like
31:00
Speaker 4: just witnessing, like they're just looking at this one type
31:03
Speaker 4: of angle for a bit, and you know, watching this
31:07
Speaker 4: stuff full Like I was even trying to wonder, like
31:09
Speaker 4: what is this? Is that snow it was that I
31:12
Speaker 4: couldn't tell, you know, I was like I was even
31:14
Speaker 4: trying to think, like where the fuck am.
31:16
Speaker 2: I, because I was like, I don't know where the
31:19
Speaker 2: fuck this is. I've never been here before.
31:23
Speaker 1: My mom used to astral project a lot.
31:30
Speaker 3: Really, what was the secret? Did she have one?
31:36
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I think she did it a lot,
31:41
Speaker 1: and then she stopped because she said, like just her
31:44
Speaker 1: coming back into her body sometimes it was just like
31:49
Speaker 1: she would like shake and stuff like that, like it
31:52
Speaker 1: was rough getting back in.
31:57
Speaker 2: I don't know.
31:58
Speaker 3: So what I've heard is that when you're in a
32:00
Speaker 3: hypnogogic state between a sleep and awake, which you're supposed
32:04
Speaker 3: to do is try to roll your eyes back into
32:07
Speaker 3: your head all the way to the other side, because
32:11
Speaker 3: as soon as you do that, your body has sort
32:13
Speaker 3: of shifted from the material realm into the astro realm
32:18
Speaker 3: and so what you'll feel after that is sort of
32:20
Speaker 3: like falling, and you're supposed to just go with it.
32:23
Speaker 3: If you resist at any point, you end up getting
32:25
Speaker 3: sling shotted back into your body. But you've got to
32:28
Speaker 3: have to go with the feel of falling and then
32:31
Speaker 3: all of a sudden you're sort of outside of your body.
32:34
Speaker 3: A lot of times that process is too traumatic for
32:37
Speaker 3: people because you're like instantly dissociating from your body and
32:42
Speaker 3: it's really, you know, a different sensation altogether, so they
32:46
Speaker 3: don't remember how they got outside of their body, right,
32:50
Speaker 3: Like that's the part that gets blanked out. So it's interesting.
32:55
Speaker 1: I imagine it's all the prescription medicine and alcohol. But
33:03
Speaker 1: I don't know whether I would ever want to ASKT
33:06
Speaker 1: to project. But like, I mean, she just described it
33:10
Speaker 1: as like she would like fly around and just like
33:15
Speaker 1: go visit people, which is weird, Like, okay, stalker, dream stalker.
33:20
Speaker 3: But what else are you here to do?
33:23
Speaker 1: I don't know.
33:26
Speaker 3: I check out a volcano. I think that'd be awesome.
33:29
Speaker 3: Could actually be as close to the lava as you
33:31
Speaker 3: want to be.
33:32
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that would be.
33:36
Speaker 3: Maybe the bottom of the ocean. I don't know. I
33:38
Speaker 3: kind of want to go to dangerous places for some reason,
33:42
Speaker 3: I just.
33:42
Speaker 1: Would worry, like, how would you get back if you
33:45
Speaker 1: go all the way to a volcano, you go all
33:47
Speaker 1: the way to the bottom of the ocean. I don't know.
33:51
Speaker 3: Well, they say that you have a silver cord attached. Yeah,
33:56
Speaker 3: that brings you back to your body. So as long
33:59
Speaker 3: as you keep me on the silver cord, then you
34:01
Speaker 3: can go straight over. But they say that unless you
34:05
Speaker 3: have a This is the whole theory on the homunculus.
34:07
Speaker 3: It's like these alchemists would go on these huge like
34:11
Speaker 3: journeys outside of their body doing astral projection. They had
34:15
Speaker 3: to develop some sort of spiritual creature to keep as
34:19
Speaker 3: like the garter of the doorway, so your body couldn't
34:22
Speaker 3: be possessed while you were out doing this astral projection.
34:26
Speaker 3: And so the homunculous was there to sort of like
34:28
Speaker 3: staying guard and make sure that nothing would take over
34:31
Speaker 3: your body.
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Speaker 1: So that's so interesting.
34:37
Speaker 3: I don't know. It seems like maybe a dream homunculous
34:40
Speaker 3: would be cool too. It's like, have a little being
34:43
Speaker 3: that watches over you as you sleep, maybe like a
34:46
Speaker 3: elf of sorts, elf on a shelf.
34:48
Speaker 1: Maybe no, No, that's that's nightmarish.
34:54
Speaker 3: Right, hopefully somebody else's nightmares. That's the thing about Gargoyles,
35:00
Speaker 3: it's like, well, you're putting something scary up there. Don't
35:02
Speaker 3: you think that that's going to bring into evil spirits.
35:04
Speaker 3: It's like, no, it's going to scare away the evil spirits.
35:11
Speaker 3: I always seem a little backwards to me, but this
35:14
Speaker 3: is a great episode. Thank you for coming on.
35:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was great.
35:17
Speaker 3: Anytime you got another dream, let us know and we'll
35:21
Speaker 3: pick them apart.
35:22
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, those dreams are fucking intense. It was probably
35:24
Speaker 4: the best ones I've heard. I mean, so detailed and
35:26
Speaker 4: just like, yeah, you're like you haven't thought conversations with you.
35:33
Speaker 3: All right, This guy Vincent says that he has a
35:35
Speaker 3: volcano in his backyard.
35:36
Speaker 2: Oh that's right, Vincent.
35:39
Speaker 3: We're going to need you to ask you project into
35:41
Speaker 3: the volcano and come back to us with the report.
35:46
Speaker 1: Yes, please flip your eyes to the back of your
35:48
Speaker 1: head and then just let yourself fall, please, Vincent.
35:52
Speaker 3: Right, Well, actually get a shaky feeling too. It feels
35:55
Speaker 3: like you're having a seizure but your body is not
35:57
Speaker 3: actually moving. That's that's that sounds a little bit like you're, ah, yeah,
36:02
Speaker 3: my trigger and something.
36:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know that.
36:04
Speaker 4: I said that time where it feels like a fluttering
36:06
Speaker 4: like I I've equated it to waves going through you.
36:09
Speaker 4: But I've also realized too that you I've even wondered
36:12
Speaker 4: about like the symbol of fire, because it would be
36:13
Speaker 4: the same thing. It just feels like this intense flickering
36:15
Speaker 4: going through my body, you know, these waves or a flame,
36:19
Speaker 4: same shit, probably you know what I'm saying, Like with inside,
36:21
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I'll feel I feel that every single time
36:24
Speaker 4: I bless the fuck off.
36:25
Speaker 2: Right before I do.
36:27
Speaker 4: It almost feels like.
36:29
Speaker 2: Like right out of myself, That's what it feels like
36:31
Speaker 2: it's happening.
36:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always wondered, based off of your descriptions, if
36:37
Speaker 1: like that was astral projecting or like.
36:43
Speaker 2: Whatever it is fucking intense.
36:46
Speaker 3: Well, I mean astral projection it takes place on multiple planes, right,
36:51
Speaker 3: so you can astro project to the you know, physical realm,
36:55
Speaker 3: and then there's actually like blasting off outside of your
36:58
Speaker 3: body into like imaginary realms and sort of like making
37:02
Speaker 3: that distinction there as well. I mean, who knows, there
37:05
Speaker 3: could be something that's sort of like a hybrid between
37:07
Speaker 3: the two. Of them. That is sort of where the
37:11
Speaker 3: hip and the gogic state takes place in the first place,
37:13
Speaker 3: you know, because that's that's sort of like the space
37:16
Speaker 3: between a sleep and awake anyway, right.
37:19
Speaker 4: I will say the one thing though, from the experiences
37:20
Speaker 4: that I've had, whatever I've seen or gone or whatever,
37:25
Speaker 4: that has always been like, never been a bad thing.
37:28
Speaker 4: It's what gets weird or freaks me out. Sometimes it
37:31
Speaker 4: just gets, you know, get bugged out to me is
37:33
Speaker 4: when I come back and I'll like just shit going
37:35
Speaker 4: through my head and the stuff that I'm like, I
37:37
Speaker 4: didn't even know this before. That's what's fucking weird actually, right, Yeah,
37:42
Speaker 4: But the experience itself is beautiful. The after effect you're
37:46
Speaker 4: just like, yo, yeah every time too. Yeah yeah. I
37:53
Speaker 4: I've thought about that, like, if I study for like
37:56
Speaker 4: two years and then do it again, well, everything that
37:58
Speaker 4: I studied in those two years get reassembled to my head,
38:02
Speaker 4: I thought, yeah, yeah, because of the way it seems
38:06
Speaker 4: to rewire all the previous shit I already had in
38:08
Speaker 4: my head. I was like, if I study and learn
38:10
Speaker 4: more stuff, we'll learn it in a skewed way. When
38:13
Speaker 4: I had this experience, we'll you know, unskew it and
38:15
Speaker 4: I'll understand everything. Really, that sounds crazy, but I thought
38:19
Speaker 4: that as a strategy.
38:21
Speaker 3: It sounds like something an ancient alchemist would know. But
38:29
Speaker 3: this was a great episode. Thank you, come back anytime.
38:33
Speaker 3: We're always here on Thursday, and Merry Christmas to everybody.
38:36
Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us, and we'll see you again
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Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, Christmas