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EPICA's 'Aspiral': A Journey Of Art, Inspiration, And Growth · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone, This is Simone from Epica Symphonic mana band
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  Speaker 1: from the Netherlands.
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  Speaker 2: Beautiful, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 3: Your upcoming album, A Spiral, is described as a reflection
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  Speaker 3: of your band's growth and journey.
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  Speaker 2: How would you say A Spiral marks the next step
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  Speaker 2: in Epica's evolution.
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  Speaker 1: I think every album, and especially this one, kind of
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  Speaker 1: means like a fresh start musically personally, you know, on
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  Speaker 1: the constant journey to strive for a better version of yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 3: And the album title is inspired by Stanisla I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: say this wrong, Stanislaw tu Kalski's bronze sculpture. How did
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  Speaker 3: this artwork influence the music or the overall theme of
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  Speaker 3: the album?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you pronounced it perfectly. Yeah. That's actually a funny
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  Speaker 1: coincidence of like a series of events. It started in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two when Rob told me to watch a
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  Speaker 1: documentary on Netflix about the artist and that he had
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  Speaker 1: scheduled a meeting with the two lovely people who made
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  Speaker 1: the documentary and also are how do you say the
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  Speaker 1: keeper of his art the guardians or you know, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know the official name for that. And I watched
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  Speaker 1: the documentary loved it, felt moved inspired by it, and
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  Speaker 1: went with Rob to visit Glenn and Lena. Those are
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  Speaker 1: their names, and funny Glen, Glenn's American, but his wife, Lena,
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  Speaker 1: she's Dutch, so that was really nice. She was happy
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  Speaker 1: to speak a little Dutch with us and have some
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  Speaker 1: duchies on her couch, and we got to admire a
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  Speaker 1: lot of Zukowski's art in the Flesh, and Rob told
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  Speaker 1: me that he feels very inspired by the art and
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  Speaker 1: would like to compose music for it, and not necessarily
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  Speaker 1: for Epica, but maybe for another project. So fast forward
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  Speaker 1: to us being in a writing camp location for this album.
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  Speaker 1: We scheduled three weeks like separate from each other in
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  Speaker 1: a really beautiful location where we could totally dive into
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  Speaker 1: the writing of the new album without the distractions of
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  Speaker 1: touring or housekeeping family life. And every band member showed
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  Speaker 1: played the songs the demos that they've been working on,
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  Speaker 1: and Rob had a couple of songs but also one
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  Speaker 1: song which was called a Spiral. He showed it to
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  Speaker 1: us and we loved the song, so we thought it
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  Speaker 1: could also be really great for Epica, so we decided
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  Speaker 1: to include it for the album and As we were
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  Speaker 1: progressing with lyric writing, Mark and I both divide up
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  Speaker 1: the lyrics. We kind of could see a little bit
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  Speaker 1: the pattern of this rebirth, renewal, self discovery, and that
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  Speaker 1: was a little bit of recurring topic in some of
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  Speaker 1: the lyrics. Then when we came to the discussion how
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  Speaker 1: should we call the album? Which song is going to
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  Speaker 1: be the album title? And we all felt a very
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  Speaker 1: strong connection with a spirals. So, yeah, this is probably
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  Speaker 1: a very clear example that art inspires art, and it's
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  Speaker 1: the first time for me that I wrote lyrics that
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  Speaker 1: were inspired by a sculpture. But the message behind it
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  Speaker 1: is very beautiful and something we all could connect with
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  Speaker 1: being at several different stages of our lives, going through
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  Speaker 1: personal struggles whether and beautiful things as well. So each
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  Speaker 1: album is a little bit like a timestamp of our
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  Speaker 1: lives and what's going on in the world. And we
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  Speaker 1: thought that the Spiral encapsulated that really beautifully.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's really interesting that you guys did take
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  Speaker 3: an art piece, as you said, and the art influenced
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  Speaker 3: your own art.
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  Speaker 2: That's really really interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And on top of that, the graphic designer, who
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  Speaker 1: is also like a multi talented artist and sculptor himself
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  Speaker 1: has also been greatly inspired by Stinislov Sukowski in his career.
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  Speaker 1: So that was a beautiful coincidence in a way, and
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  Speaker 1: I think probably meant to be that we all kind
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  Speaker 1: of crossed our paths a couple times in our lives,
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  Speaker 1: and I already asked him to do the artwork from
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  Speaker 1: my solo record, A Million, and I was very pleased
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  Speaker 1: with the end result. He also worked for Parkway Drive
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  Speaker 1: and Ghost and has worked with Ramstein before, and it's
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  Speaker 1: very talented and he really fit to the message of
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  Speaker 1: the album and our vision of what we wanted to
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  Speaker 1: do with Epica going forward.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you just mentioned as well before the writing
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  Speaker 3: camps that you guys had. How influential were.
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  Speaker 2: Those writing camps? Were they? Did you find really positive
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  Speaker 2: to do those?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, very much. So. I mean all of us have
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  Speaker 1: a different working style and a workflow, but due to
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  Speaker 1: the fact that we live in four different countries, it's
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  Speaker 1: very logistically challenging for us to find time to meet
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  Speaker 1: up and do these writing camps. But we started doing
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  Speaker 1: that with Omega and we really loved that that we
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  Speaker 1: were in the same room because you come to totally
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  Speaker 1: different end results. When you have that instant communication and
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  Speaker 1: creative interaction, you come to total different results and you
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  Speaker 1: have much faster results, and you can inspire each other,
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  Speaker 1: you can feed of each other, and you can also
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  Speaker 1: really get into the creative slow. So I think it
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  Speaker 1: was definitely very beneficiary for us to do it this way.
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  Speaker 1: And we had three sessions each last of the week,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, we had breakfast together and evenings we
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  Speaker 1: cooked together, and overall the vibe was really nice and
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  Speaker 1: it was just great to not be distracted by anything
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  Speaker 1: else and just really concentrate on writing new music. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Also these camps were you guys were together. I thought
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  Speaker 2: it was you guys were isolated from each other.
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  Speaker 1: No, No, it was like a really big holiday villa
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  Speaker 1: and with many different rooms so we could set up
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  Speaker 1: our own home studios, but we had one main base
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  Speaker 1: where our producer was also present, so I could sit
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  Speaker 1: down with the producer and then the composer of the
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  Speaker 1: song that we were working on to come up with
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  Speaker 1: vocal lines and changed the structure of the song, and
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  Speaker 1: each other band member could then also dedicate their time
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  Speaker 1: to give the song what it needed, you know, with
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  Speaker 1: their instrument, whether that be orchestration, keyboards, piano, bass, drum, drum, era, programming, guitars.
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  Speaker 1: So it was definitely a very musical house during that week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely, and no distractions. Like you said, I
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  Speaker 2: like that idea.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's very it's lovely. I mean, we have
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  Speaker 1: in the past learned from that. Our hectic schedule hasn't
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  Speaker 1: always been very fruitful for us, you know, when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to writing music, and also the constant pressure of
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  Speaker 1: doing everything at the same time. It's not good, you know.
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  Speaker 1: One for me, it's best to focus on one thing,
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  Speaker 1: and we've tried to fit too many things in very
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  Speaker 1: short time frames. And we just learned from that experience,
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, find it very invigorating and inspiring to do
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  Speaker 1: it like this, which is actually actually sounds very logical
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  Speaker 1: for other bands that meet up and play songs together.
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  Speaker 1: But we decided all with the exception of three band members,
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  Speaker 1: to move or to live in the different country, so
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  Speaker 1: we cannot meet up like many other bands that live
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  Speaker 1: in the same country or even city. You know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's it. And you've traveled so many places
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  Speaker 2: around the world.
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  Speaker 3: What's been the most unexpected or memorable fan interaction you've
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  Speaker 3: had during your tours.
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  Speaker 1: I always feel very moved when I get to meet
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  Speaker 1: fans one on one and see or when they tell
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  Speaker 1: me how much the music meant to them. And that
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  Speaker 1: is like the greatest compliment you can get because the
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  Speaker 1: music that we write, the lyrics, it comes from personal experiences,
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  Speaker 1: it comes from your you know, creative DNA in a way,
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  Speaker 1: it's part of you. So it's the best compliment when
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  Speaker 1: somebody connects to that. And I had once an encounter
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  Speaker 1: with a father who brought his teenage son and a
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  Speaker 1: meeting greet and yeah, he was he was tearing up
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  Speaker 1: in front of me, in front of his son, telling
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  Speaker 1: me how much the music meant to him and then
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  Speaker 1: carried him through a difficult time in his life. And
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  Speaker 1: I gave him a hug, you know, because I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was beautiful how he opened up, how he was
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  Speaker 1: so vulnerable in front of his son. Yeah, And those
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  Speaker 1: encounters always, you know, they stay with me. But seeing
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  Speaker 1: people in the audience sing along lyrics that you wrote,
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  Speaker 1: you know, at four am when you couldn't sleep, that's
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  Speaker 1: you know, those are the things that make it worthwhile.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very rewarding.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: And if you could invite any famous personality to join
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  Speaker 3: Epica on stage, who would have been why?
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind if until in the month from Ramsham
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  Speaker 1: would join us. I have already had a lot of
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  Speaker 1: amazing colleagues in the metal scene join us. To sing
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  Speaker 1: a song, to play a song with us, yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: that's that would be amazing, or to sing a song
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  Speaker 1: with Aurora one day. I'm a big fan of oh
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  Speaker 1: Path bigger artists. I love news. You know, there's there's
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  Speaker 1: so many amazing artists out there. Yes, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: sky's the limits. They just need to call me. I'm available,
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  Speaker 1: good answers, good answers.
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  Speaker 2: I'd love to see it one day. That'd be amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 3: And you've toured with Metallica and played some massive shows
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  Speaker 3: and toured with some big artists like you just mentioned.
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  Speaker 3: How do these high profile performances inspire or influence your
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  Speaker 3: band's musical creative direction.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I remember getting the phone call for management or
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  Speaker 1: I had I got a message call me now, and
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  Speaker 1: I thought I did something wrong or something horrible had happened.
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  Speaker 1: But then he he told me, like we can play
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  Speaker 1: with Metallica. I just need to know are you available
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  Speaker 1: these days? It's very you know, last minute, I said yes, yes, yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And when we did those shows and we got to
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  Speaker 1: meet also the band members in the flesh, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: we all some of us probably are bigger Metallica fans
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  Speaker 1: than others. But I knew Metallica and I know their
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  Speaker 1: most famous songs, of course from my first boyfriend, even
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  Speaker 1: you know, listening listening to the music together, never thinking
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  Speaker 1: that wow, I will ever meet those people one day,
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  Speaker 1: or that I would become a musician myself. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I was fourteen back then. Yeah, in the end, they
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  Speaker 1: are human just like us. But they are being you know,
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  Speaker 1: put on a pedestal and people think that they are
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  Speaker 1: divine creatures, you know, without human flaws or emotions. But
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  Speaker 1: they're just human like us. And you know, I don't
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  Speaker 1: get nervous in front of them. I you know, have
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  Speaker 1: normal conversations with them, crack a joke and you know,
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  Speaker 1: act as normal as I can. Of course I'm not normal,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, that that that those are always pinched me moments.
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  Speaker 1: And I enjoyed those shows immensely of course because it
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  Speaker 1: was me Metallica. But On the other hand, the way
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  Speaker 1: the stage was set up was so unusual and so
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  Speaker 1: fun in a way that I kind of went back
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  Speaker 1: to just the joy of performing and being in a
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  Speaker 1: moment then thinking too much about the whole production or
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  Speaker 1: choreac choreography of the show. Just running around on that
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  Speaker 1: circle stage was a lot of fun. But the amount
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  Speaker 1: of people or the scale of a show does not
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  Speaker 1: how do you say, does not grant you a good show.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that's just the energy that's there, the interaction
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  Speaker 1: with the crowd. But those were definitely amazing shows. And
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  Speaker 1: but I can also enjoy small, intimate shows. It's all
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  Speaker 1: about about the moment. But I have met so many
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  Speaker 1: amazing artists. I'm very grateful for that. But I see
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  Speaker 1: them as I see myself, as a human being with
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  Speaker 1: good and bad days, and I think that's what also
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  Speaker 1: the really big artists appreciate if you approach them like
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  Speaker 1: that and don't fall on your feet, and you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: act as normal as you can.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, definitely, I totally understand doing the job I do.
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  Speaker 3: It's easy to get starstruck, but then at the end
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  Speaker 3: of the day, once you start talking to them and
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  Speaker 3: you come back down to earth and realize that they're
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  Speaker 3: just human beings like it. Yeah, and you can if
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  Speaker 3: you can crack a joke with them and be normal
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  Speaker 3: as normal as you can, you know, it usually sets
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  Speaker 3: you up well with them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, everybody loves a good conversation about everything.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, this is your ninth studio album, which
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  Speaker 3: is often seeing as a significant milestone. How does it
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  Speaker 3: feel to look back at your journey and see how
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  Speaker 3: far Epica has come?
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  Speaker 1: It's quite impressive. Today I was actually listening to one
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  Speaker 1: of the older records and then it kind of also
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  Speaker 1: struck me how much, how how many songs we have.
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  Speaker 1: And funnily enough, if I don't listen to an album
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  Speaker 1: years later, I can still sing quite a big chunk
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  Speaker 1: of the lyrics because it's somehow somewhere stored in my brain.
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  Speaker 1: But this job is such a fast pace way of living,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and always planning into the far future, planning
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  Speaker 1: the tours and all those things, that it's often there's
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  Speaker 1: no much time to breathe and reflect. But we also
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  Speaker 1: recently did the Symphonic Synergy shows and with the choir
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  Speaker 1: and orchestra, we did two shows in Amsterdam, two shows
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  Speaker 1: in Mexico and we played, yeah, I think, songs from
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  Speaker 1: all the albums and put them in a little different version.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, in those moments, I kind of realized that,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, this is my life and I have
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  Speaker 1: lived so many or so many dreams came true in
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  Speaker 1: that career. And yeah, that's always like a little reality
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  Speaker 1: check where you kind of stand still and breathe it
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  Speaker 1: in and can be in the moment and time travel
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  Speaker 1: a little bit as well. But I never would have
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  Speaker 1: thought going back to when I listened, for example, to
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  Speaker 1: Metallica the first time, fourteen year old, being a huge
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  Speaker 1: music fan, I never would have dreamt that I would
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  Speaker 1: travel the world. I think I visited almost seventy countries
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  Speaker 1: in my forty years of living. And yeah, it's I
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  Speaker 1: consider myself very rich in a spiritual sense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a and that's lovely that you've picked
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  Speaker 3: up that attitude too of being rich because you've been
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  Speaker 3: able to do that and you've done so much and
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  Speaker 3: travel so many countries and interacted with all these fans.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And given the complexity and ambition of a spiral, What's
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  Speaker 3: what was the most difficult part of putting together this
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  Speaker 3: album and how did you overcome the challenge?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I kind of came directly out of recording, writing
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  Speaker 1: and recording my solo album. So I was at first,
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  Speaker 1: of course buried, do I have enough inspiration left? Do
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  Speaker 1: I have enough energy left for this? But the beauty
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  Speaker 1: of Epica is that we are a team of six people,
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  Speaker 1: and then of course we have our producer who we
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  Speaker 1: also kind of consider a band member, and a big
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  Speaker 1: team behind Apica that carries the weight. We carry it together,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and we are a tight ship, I would say,
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  Speaker 1: And we have this luxury that we have five guys
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  Speaker 1: writing the songs so that there's enough inspiration to you know,
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  Speaker 1: to be you know, to feed off from. And life's
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  Speaker 1: never boring. So I had enough inspiration and music is
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  Speaker 1: in a way therapy for me. I can really pour
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  Speaker 1: my heart and soul into it, and yeah, it helped
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  Speaker 1: me going through some tough times myself. So it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of beautiful that you can really, you know, pour everything
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  Speaker 1: in the music and feel kind of cleansed afterwards, like
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  Speaker 1: you're exercising the demons through writing and recording music. And
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  Speaker 1: it's like medicine in a way, and we all need
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  Speaker 1: it and it should be available for every buddy, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm very happy that I can get pour, pour my
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  Speaker 1: heart and soul into the music. And of course there
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  Speaker 1: are songs that come easier to you, and then there
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  Speaker 1: are songs where you're really struggling with the lyrics right
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  Speaker 1: until you're recording the vocals. So there's there's no smooth
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  Speaker 1: road to the end result. But it's the journey that
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  Speaker 1: that is definitely worth worthwhile, and especially the hard work
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  Speaker 1: you put into it. Now, we recently sat together in
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  Speaker 1: the studio. We came together for doing promo work, but
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  Speaker 1: we also listened to the album together as a band,
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  Speaker 1: and we were all like kind of moved that we
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  Speaker 1: accomplished something like this again, and that you just realize
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  Speaker 1: it takes a village to create something like that, and
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  Speaker 1: and then you set it free into the world for
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  Speaker 1: everybody to enjoy.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 3: It sounds like it was very pathotic for you and
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  Speaker 3: everyone else in the band as well. But also the
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  Speaker 3: fact that you came from your solo projects straight into
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  Speaker 3: back into Epica sounds like the load was shared and
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't The pressure wasn't all just on you. It
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  Speaker 3: was shared between everyone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and we we are in a way of family,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and we have a huge compassion for for
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  Speaker 1: everybody and our music. We're not a factory, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're human beings and it's it's very personal and private also,
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  Speaker 1: the and intimate the writing and recording of an album.
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  Speaker 1: The same when you are on tour, when you're playing
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  Speaker 1: the song's life, you're living together, You're going through ups
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  Speaker 1: and downs together as a band, and we are there
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  Speaker 1: for each other and it's really beautiful. I think with
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  Speaker 1: this album we came together a little bit more, you know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we bonded more, and the writing camps of course helped.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, we've been together. We've basically been married for
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  Speaker 1: twenty three years, so everybody, you know, it's in a
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  Speaker 1: way like a marriage. It's not a job that you
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  Speaker 1: can go to in the morning and go an evening
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  Speaker 1: back home and you can let it go. It's always
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  Speaker 1: there in a way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely good description. And the last question, is there
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  Speaker 2: any hope of an Australian tool sometime soon?
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  Speaker 1: I hope so. I love Australia. I don't like the
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  Speaker 1: spiders though, oh god, I luckily have never had an
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: encounter with one of the uglier bugs. I did meet
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  Speaker 1: the kangaroos in the koalas. It's such a bummer that
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: it's such a long way to get there, but we
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: will definitely come back, hope sooner than later because I
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: love traveling the world and I really love Australian people.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: I think you're all really cool people.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: We love the Dutch people too.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: That's great, that's a match.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for your time today. We hope to
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: see you guys down under soon. Best of luck with everything.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you so much. I have
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: a lovely day.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Thank you too.