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Patriots Unfiltered 8/8: Training Camp Standouts, Texans Preview, Trey Flowers Signing · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 2: And we had Julian Edelman here watching practice today. I
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  Speaker 2: wonder if they're asking his opinion.
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  Speaker 1: While you're here.
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  Speaker 5: I'm curious, what are your thoughts on this?
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  Speaker 2: Julian said to the rookies, you're too young.
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  Speaker 5: You're too young.
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  Speaker 1: You know, last few practices, me and Evan watched up top,
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  Speaker 1: Paul's been down below with the note alls.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 6: Look, I was critical of Mac on Tuesday because, unlike
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  Speaker 6: some of my colleagues, I have a pretty high standard.
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  Speaker 5: It was about ten twenty that he left and he
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  Speaker 5: came back ten five.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he has to go through security, so it takes
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  Speaker 2: him longer.
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  Speaker 5: Thirteen eighty you know whatever, that's a drive. Well, no,
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  Speaker 5: it's a scripted situation. They put the ball.
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  Speaker 1: At a yard line, right, it's a drive ahead.
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  Speaker 5: No, it's not a drive because if the play is incomplete,
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  Speaker 5: it goes to the four yard line. The next well,
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  Speaker 5: a drive would be we have to complete a pass
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  Speaker 5: to get it to the fourth. So I just want
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  Speaker 5: to make sure that the listeners understand what actually happened,
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  Speaker 5: all right, not what you call.
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  Speaker 1: Who's the third receiver on this team?
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  Speaker 6: Tomaro Douglas.
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  Speaker 2: We made a little news here though. Paul Perillo says
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  Speaker 2: that the Mario Douglas is the third best receiver on
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  Speaker 2: this team.
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  Speaker 5: I think he's the best guy for the role, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: and again Evan Lazarre said that, just just to repeat,
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  Speaker 5: take my name out of your mind.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday. Here,
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  Speaker 2: it's Let's Stadium, and we're doing a little early Patriots
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  Speaker 2: Unfiltered because practices this afternoon.
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  Speaker 1: Feel like we should be watching din or something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, uh and all that stuff literally series. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but we'll be here from ten to twelve it's Deuce,
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  Speaker 2: it's Evan, it's Paul, it's myself, it's Matt and the
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  Speaker 2: booth talking Patriots. This is our last regular Patriots unfiltered
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  Speaker 2: this week because on Thursday, we have our first preseason
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  Speaker 2: game and we'll also have our first pre and postgame show.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And that's gonna be from what four thirty to thirty
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  Speaker 2: to six thirty on Thursday, And I'm assuming hard he's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be here.
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  Speaker 1: Hardy will be okay, great, he's excited. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Good to have him back for another season. This is
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  Speaker 2: what is twentieth season with us, I believe.
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  Speaker 5: I believe so, And we'll have so four thirty to
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  Speaker 5: six thirty. We're gonna pencil in at about four forty
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  Speaker 5: six the Jaws talk. See if we can get back
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  Speaker 5: to that always yeah, okay, we always working.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a big segment on John. It's a big
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  Speaker 2: week here at j Lette Stadium. You know, you're always
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  Speaker 2: excited for the first pre sees the game until they
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  Speaker 2: start playing and then it's like, Okay, realize, let's get
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  Speaker 2: to the regular season. Yeah yeah, now's I think you know,
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  Speaker 2: the intrigue is who gets who plays and for how
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  Speaker 2: long you know, you know, there's a couple players, you know,
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  Speaker 2: besides Pop Douglas who's been popping. Keishan Bhute has been
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  Speaker 2: getting a lot of love lately.
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  Speaker 1: He has been getting a lot of love. But I
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna stay. I'm going to remain where
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  Speaker 1: I am. And I wrote it yesterday. I just like
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  Speaker 1: he's fine. Like people are like, are they gonna cut
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  Speaker 1: talking thrtification. He's had one or two catches every day.
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  Speaker 1: It's nice, it's fine. None of them will be of
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  Speaker 1: the variety. The one yesterday that everyone's going about. I
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  Speaker 1: thought it was a terrible throw by Malie Cunningham, Like
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  Speaker 1: great catch, terrible throw. Everyone's going crazy.
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  Speaker 2: So but that's my sticking on, just sticking on Booty,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'll stick with it was a good catch.
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  Speaker 2: But the thing is like at the starting camp he
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  Speaker 2: was doing nothing right and he is starting to do
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what you want to see. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: I just I think it's I think it's a problem
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  Speaker 1: when people report things and then fans like myself that
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  Speaker 1: used to not go to practice and had to rely
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  Speaker 1: entirely on reports, sometimes it becomes a game of telephone
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  Speaker 1: and you start to extrapolate maybe what you want to
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  Speaker 1: hear or what you think you're reading, right, And I
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  Speaker 1: just like, I'm kind of on the pump the brakes
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  Speaker 1: on the Booty. It's been good. I'm not trying to,
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  Speaker 1: but I just like I don't see like, oh, he's
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  Speaker 1: gonna kick tech Kwon Thornton off the roster because he
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  Speaker 1: made a nice catch yesterday. Like, I think it's a
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  Speaker 1: little early for that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would agree with Mike. I think those two
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  Speaker 5: things have been a little bit overplayed both ways. I
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  Speaker 5: think Booty has been overplayed a little bit. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 5: has come on. I think there's no question. The last
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  Speaker 5: i'd say four or five practices, he's starting to show
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  Speaker 5: up a little bit more. Thornton, I think his demise
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  Speaker 5: has been.
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  Speaker 1: Overplayed a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he was missing from a lot of practices. He
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  Speaker 5: came back, and I think that Belichick and Bill O'Brien
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  Speaker 5: wanted him to sort of work with Zappy a little
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  Speaker 5: bit to work his way back into the mix. Like,
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  Speaker 5: I don't think that was like this telling sign that
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  Speaker 5: Thornton's on his way out.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 5: I would say that Thornton's been a little bit disappointing,
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  Speaker 5: like you would have thought, you know, year two, you
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  Speaker 5: want to see a little bit more. I think whatever
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  Speaker 5: issue that he had in the spring lingered into the summer,
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  Speaker 5: you know, reportedly a soft tissue injury. He's been slow
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  Speaker 5: getting underway here. He's had some opportunities to make some plays,
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  Speaker 5: hasn't always made them. I'd like to see him do
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  Speaker 5: a little bit more. But I think Booty's been a
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  Speaker 5: little bit overplayed the last couple of days, and Thornton's
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  Speaker 5: been a little bit overplayed in a negative.
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  Speaker 1: Way the last couple of days.
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  Speaker 5: I don't I agree with Mike. I don't think Thornton's
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  Speaker 5: going anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: I saw Thornton the last couple of days, and there
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  Speaker 2: were a couple of instances where okay, he gets there's
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  Speaker 2: the speed, Yeah, there's the speed we're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just you know. I think my thing with
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  Speaker 1: him is that, you know, he's just he's not strong
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  Speaker 1: at the catch point, and as you just see him
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  Speaker 1: a couple of times when it's like a contested catch,
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  Speaker 1: he kind of goes flying and probably not surprising, it's
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  Speaker 1: not his game, but I thought.
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  Speaker 5: I saw him make a couple of those plays last summer,
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  Speaker 5: and that's what sort of got me, you know, enthused
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  Speaker 5: about him, Like he didn't need to be one of
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  Speaker 5: those guys that just ran by everybody and caught passes
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  Speaker 5: by himself.
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  Speaker 1: He could fight for the ball.
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  Speaker 5: I thought he had a couple of opportunities the last
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  Speaker 5: couple of practices, one in particular on Sunday, I think
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  Speaker 5: you in you know, the one that Evan talked about
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  Speaker 5: on the podcast, the post corner where he looked like
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  Speaker 5: he was wide open. Throw was definitely late. It was
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  Speaker 5: a throw from Zappi that was underthrown and late. Rodney
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  Speaker 5: Randall came back and bothered it. But I didn't really
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  Speaker 5: think he did much to get in in the fray
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  Speaker 5: and fight for the ball, you know. So you'd like
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  Speaker 5: to see maybe some of those kinds of plays be
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  Speaker 5: catches booties catch yesterday was an incredible catch, but like
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  Speaker 5: think of like the OBJ catch. Okay, and it wasn't
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  Speaker 5: as as impressive as that, but think of that catch.
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  Speaker 5: But think about now if instead of it being Odell Beckham,
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  Speaker 5: it was just it was Tim Smith.
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  Speaker 1: He made that catch.
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  Speaker 5: Like, just because the guy made an incredible individual play
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  Speaker 5: doesn't necessarily mean he's had a really good training camp.
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  Speaker 5: That was a great catch yesterday, as Mike said, in
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  Speaker 5: to scout work from Malie Cunningham again kind of telling
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  Speaker 5: you the players that he's working with as opposed to
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  Speaker 5: sure to Mario Douglas who from the second to third
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  Speaker 5: day of camp has really worked extensively with Mac Jones,
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  Speaker 5: Juju Smith, Schuster, Devonte Parker, Kendrick Bourne.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, even from the get go, I mean early in camp,
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  Speaker 1: Douglas was with the kind of that top group air.
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  Speaker 1: I mean not just eleven guys, but probably fifteen guys
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  Speaker 1: that are rotating with the top offensive line, the top
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  Speaker 1: running backs, the top receivers. He's one of those guys
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  Speaker 1: from the get go, and you know he does jump
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  Speaker 1: off the field with just how quick he especially in
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  Speaker 1: that one on ones.
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  Speaker 2: Overall, I think the receivers have been okay. Parker's been
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  Speaker 2: showing up a little bit more after.
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  Speaker 5: Parker's another one who's made like a play every practice,
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  Speaker 5: yet like one I'd like to see a little.
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  Speaker 1: Bit more, I know, and it's usually his bread and butter,
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  Speaker 1: and we know that that's in the bag right now and.
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  Speaker 5: High point deep faths that's what they.
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  Speaker 1: Do, and I mean if I was an opponent, I
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  Speaker 1: would say alert that anytime you think he's.
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  Speaker 2: Gonna be so, Like I said, I think I think
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  Speaker 2: the receivers have been okay, I don't see yet is okay.
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  Speaker 2: The Patriots are going to be tough to defend. And
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  Speaker 2: I mean in the passing game and coverage, like there's
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  Speaker 2: no guys that are just you know, breaking ankles.
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  Speaker 1: Although in the it's a great point.
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  Speaker 5: And this is why I get back to Thornton because
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  Speaker 5: I think Thornton is the one guy who's a little
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  Speaker 5: different now.
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  Speaker 2: One on one, he looked good.
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  Speaker 5: Douglas has has has quickness out of the slot, and
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  Speaker 5: I think horizontally he's going to be a you know,
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  Speaker 5: a guy that they're going to throw a lot of
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  Speaker 5: passes to.
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  Speaker 2: But you just hope with his size he can hold
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  Speaker 2: up if he making the squad right now.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's also hard to extrapolate him as you
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  Speaker 5: know what, just pencil him in for seventy eighty catches.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, maybe you know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: He's been impressive. I think he's been certainly something to
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  Speaker 5: be excited about as a newcomer. But what they need
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  Speaker 5: is something to open everything up and I'm not talking
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  Speaker 5: about to take the top off the defense guy. I'm
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  Speaker 5: talking about someone who the other team has to worry about,
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  Speaker 5: and I don't think right now unless Thornton emerges as that.
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  Speaker 5: I think Born Parker and Smith Schuster are guys that
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  Speaker 5: you can cover and they're gonna be slamming down. Mike says,
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  Speaker 5: you know exactly right about Parker. They're gonna throw him
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  Speaker 5: down the field every once in a while. You just
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  Speaker 5: have to be aware of that and fight for the ball.
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  Speaker 5: You're not gonna run by you. So yeah, I think
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  Speaker 5: there's one guy, is Thoughnton, that could potentially emerge as
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  Speaker 5: as someone who could take some of that pressure. I
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  Speaker 5: see a lot of defensive backs as this season goes on,
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  Speaker 5: lining up within ten yards of the line of scrimmage
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  Speaker 5: at all times because there's just no fear of anything
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  Speaker 5: over the top.
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  Speaker 1: Unless you blow a coverage, and that is a possibility
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  Speaker 1: I think will Bill O'Brien a little bit. But I
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  Speaker 1: want to just highlight what you said, Fred about the
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  Speaker 1: one on once yesterday open field full tackling. I thought
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  Speaker 1: Thornton was surprisingly good at those, and I mean you
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  Speaker 1: would think he would be good at those, but for
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  Speaker 1: just somebody who's tall and lanky and you don't really
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  Speaker 1: think of him as like a phone booth quickness, side
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  Speaker 1: to side kind of a guy. He was tough yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: so you know it is a sign that he can
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  Speaker 1: move well. I have. I haven't even come close to
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  Speaker 1: writing him off. I mean, I think I'm not him
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  Speaker 1: off yet.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's like Paul said, he's got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of what they need. But I share the similar concerns
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  Speaker 1: that you know, a lot of what we see this
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  Speaker 1: year is the play to Parker, a lot of out
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  Speaker 1: of the backfield, little wheel routes, little hitches, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just the short stuff. You don't see a lot of
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  Speaker 1: like downfield well choreographed passing routes where guys are catching
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  Speaker 1: the ball in rhythm and running with it. It's, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just a lot of check on stuf. So I don't
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to get overworked up about it. But
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  Speaker 1: that's now it's a it's all kind of that or
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  Speaker 1: that I did that.
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  Speaker 5: I did think yesterday we saw a little bit more
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  Speaker 5: of some of the I wouldn't call them deep, but
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  Speaker 5: like some over routes or you know, guys dragging across
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  Speaker 5: the field, you know, fifteen eighty yards Kasiki caught one,
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  Speaker 5: So I think it's you know, and I thought it
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  Speaker 5: was interesting to listen to the quarterbacks talk after practice yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: Bill had mentioned that he felt like they had most
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  Speaker 5: everything in by this point. Zappy said he estimated, you know,
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  Speaker 5: about eighty percent. He felt like they were further along
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  Speaker 5: with installation then they they felt they would be at
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  Speaker 5: this time, and Max sort of backed that up. So
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  Speaker 5: I think you're starting to see some of that stuff
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  Speaker 5: slowly getting integrated into what we're seeing at practice. You know,
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  Speaker 5: of course, right in time for us to be you know,
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  Speaker 5: asked to leave practice, which is gonna happen soon if
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  Speaker 5: it's if today's not the last day we get to
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  Speaker 5: watch we yeah, you know, you guys will get to
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  Speaker 5: see the joint practices in Green Bay and Tennessee. But
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  Speaker 5: it's interesting coming to an end soon.
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  Speaker 2: You'd always prefer to have an offense that a defense
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  Speaker 2: has to game plan for, yes, And I feel like
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  Speaker 2: on this team we have to game plan for their defense,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and it should be the other way around.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I still unfortunately feel that right that's that's yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I get what you're saying right.
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  Speaker 1: Now their best weapon to me feels like Bill O'Brien, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 2: In his mind, Yeah, and his game plan. How can
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  Speaker 2: he put figuring out the other defense and game planning
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  Speaker 2: for their weaknesses where you should have an offense that
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  Speaker 2: they have to game plan for, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no things to think about, And I mean I
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  Speaker 1: do think there are little things. I mean, you got
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  Speaker 1: toighlight Parker and I think Kasiki has had a strong
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  Speaker 1: couple of days and he's starting to come on a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, so that could be another element. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Hunter Henry's at a good camp too, So you know
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  Speaker 1: what's Bill O'Brien going to do with those two tight ends.
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  Speaker 1: I'd even kind of put Socle in that nex too.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's possible he kind of has an early
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  Speaker 1: down role within that rotation too. So I I'd love
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  Speaker 1: to see more out of out of Booty. I'd love
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  Speaker 1: to see him continue to to I mean, I think
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  Speaker 1: it'd be great.
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  Speaker 5: I think he'll get a chance. I think Kim and
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  Speaker 5: Douglas will get a chance to play Thursday Night. I
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  Speaker 5: think some of those younger guys I wouldn't expect to
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  Speaker 5: see a lot of the the veteran players, and you know,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know how much we're going to get to
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  Speaker 5: see of the guys. We want to see it come together.
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  Speaker 2: The offensive line going to have that joint practices next week,
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  Speaker 2: so that's where they're going to get all their reps,
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  Speaker 2: and you probably want to save them for that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I would just say yes. But also the
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  Speaker 1: offensive line is so thin that like, yeah, well they're
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  Speaker 1: going to have to at least flirt with playing some
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  Speaker 1: guys you might not want to just based on I mean, there's.
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  Speaker 5: A chance you're missing four offensive linemen. You know, if
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  Speaker 5: you wanted to play a real game Thursday night, I
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  Speaker 5: think you'd have to probably go with like Andrews be
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  Speaker 5: the only one that would be a starter, you know,
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  Speaker 5: Like I don't. I don't think Cole Strange, after missing
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  Speaker 5: all this practice would be ready to play a game
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  Speaker 5: Thursday night, and certainly a when you is still on pup.
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  Speaker 5: Trent Brown, he's another one that talked yesterday. He said
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  Speaker 5: he's dealing with an injury. It's not a contract related thing.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I take him at face value, but he
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't play. He's not going to play Thursday night. So
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  Speaker 5: even if you wanted to play mac Jones, I'm not
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  Speaker 5: sure that it would be the wisest course of action.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think Cunningham might get actually, do you think
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  Speaker 1: he'll get snaps as his quarterbacks? I do. It's interesting,
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  Speaker 1: I do.
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  Speaker 5: That's my time, boys, twos and girls, everybody. Malik Cunningham.
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  Speaker 5: You know, nine nine pm Eastern ish, he's in the
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  Speaker 5: game Discount Studio. I'll be ready to go. You know,
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  Speaker 5: the McCarty's you can have them on in the background.
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  Speaker 1: That's fine. They'll have plenty to say. I'm sure you can.
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  Speaker 5: We can too, screen it, right, Freddy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The Patriots announced on Sunday that they're going to have
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  Speaker 2: an alternate telecast of the preseason games, the mccordy Twin Cast,
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  Speaker 2: live from Jason mccordy's basement in New Jersey. Uh, they'll
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  Speaker 2: be doing, you know, just like the Manning cast. It'll
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: be on another channel.
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: Well, actually, this one's on WBZ dot com, but the
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: one against uh Green Bay will be on Channel thirty eight,
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: so you can go back and forth between Zolac and
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: Soci and Paul and the mccordy's on the other channel
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: and if you're in Germany. You can even hear Sebastian
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: Vohmer and Marcus Khon doing it in Germany. So a
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: lot of a lot of preseason.
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: Stuff across the stream.
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's it's a it's a big day Thursday
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: for us.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. I I'm I'm I guess I'm happy
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: for Matsmith. I just think it's a great idea and
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: and and it's cool to see it all, you know,
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: kind of come together and something that's different for the league.
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: And you know, I know that maybe this is going
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: to help, you know, follow that path of the Manning
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: cast and continue to find alternate ways to make preseason
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: games interesting and you know a little bit more fun
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: to take in when people are zoning out on you know,
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: maybe Malie Hunnyam.
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: They turn the preseason game into like variety shows, you know,
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: you know, you know, the June Taylor Dancers come out,
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: and you know.
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: I mean you'll probably have like live betting at some
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: point where it'll be like.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: Those do you remember, you know whatever that's June that
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: was the Jackie Gleeson show boy had the June Taylor Dancers.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: Oh boy, that's an old one.
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: June Carter Cash, I've heard of the June Taylor dance
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: back when they had show.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: I did not know the reference A variety show, be fun.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: I was saying, they'll probably be live betting at some
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: point where it'll literally be like a game show where
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: you're like, all right, this drive, all right, this is
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: the bet, you know, and they'll put it right up
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: on screen and people will be I think those kind
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: of things like I don't know. Yeah, Evan, what are
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: you doing over there?
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: He was writing writing up Trey flowers reunion with the
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: Patriots official.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: Oh why did you break that news?
• 15:47
  Speaker 6: Well, it broke before he came on the air, so I.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: Thought he was just coming in for a visit.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: No, no reports have him signing Ian Raport. Okay, so
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: Evan decided to without a quick report while we does
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: he play right tackle?
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: He does not. But interesting stat that I'm sure Paul
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: probably knows this. During Trey Flowers' first four years with
• 16:10
  Speaker 6: the Patriots, eight and one in the postseason with him
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: on the team, But the Eagles Super Bowl is the
• 16:16
  Speaker 6: only loss. Just imagine like coming into the NFL and
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: you just win two super Bowls and like it's just
• 16:23
  Speaker 6: crazy like so many of these guys that started, you know,
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: in that era in the mid twenty tens, you know,
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: Toney Flowers, like those, Shack Mason, those guys just never
• 16:35
  Speaker 6: lost in the postseason.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: I always thought about guys like that and then contrasted
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: them with guys like Mankins and Unwelker who never got it, Yeah,
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: who never were able.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: To guys that like Joe Thomas, that spent their whole career.
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: Did you watch Joe Thomas thing on ESPN over the weekend?
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: That was like, it's almost like heartbreak.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't believe he played that many snaps in
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: a row. I mean, and you know, on a losing
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: snaps in a row, and did he have like I
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: don't even remember. They maybe make the playoffs once or twice.
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: His first year they went ten and six. I don't
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: think they made the playoffs. But they went ten and six,
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: and he was like, Okay, this is what I thought.
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: Then they went over twelve years later.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: I'm fine with the Tray Flowers signing. I don't know
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: how much he has in the tank. Last two years
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: he's ended up on IR. I do think that they
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: need some edge depth. I just hope it doesn't come
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: at Keon White's kind of snaps, because I think that's
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: what key On White's gonna do. He's gonna kind of
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: being with me for a while.
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: Like that's my first thought is like, does this mean
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: that they're not really thinking that Keon White is ready
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: for a big role.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: It could be he's not going to be ready.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: And I mean, I just see key On White right now,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: is at least it's just a rotational you know wise
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking, which is fine, but but
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: you know, lurking in the background September October, and then
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: if an injury happens or he starts to get it,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: then he you know, really He.
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: Also kind of felt like the edge depth was more
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: to me like the oucha jude on edge depth then,
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: because I know it's probably dumb. Everyone will tell me
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: why it's done, but I don't look at those guys
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: even though their ends is the same as edge.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: I know you're right totally.
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: You know, in this system, Judean j Jennings are outside linebackers. Yeah,
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: and those are defensive ends.
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: And why and when I when I talk about edge,
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: I'm thinking the stand up athlete on the ends opposed
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: to might drop that a two gapping you know, three
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: tech nigger five whatever, you know.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: And they'll flirt with that stuff with wise. I mean,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: why is probably like dropped in the coverage like eight times,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: you know it's something like that. They'll play with it
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: a little bit, but generally speaking, you know it's gonna
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: be why is this going to be the hand down
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: defensive end on the one edge and you're gonna have
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: this guy standing on the other usually when they're coming.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: When I saw the Flowers visit yesterday, I was thinking, well,
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: this is this is like prototypical bill, you know, get
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: them in. He's been hurt a lot. We'll see, you know,
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: where he is physically, and then down the road if
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: I need to call on them, i'll know what I have.
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: Then the next day, I think he's twenty seven or
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: twenty eight. I wrote it in the article that is
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: he's young. Yeah he's not right.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: August sixteenth, ninety three. But still that's like he's been
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: around forever.
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I do think. You know, last year they carried
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: Jamie Collins on the practice squad for most of the year,
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: and he was around and some of the players talked
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: about believe it or not, I didn't think of Jamie
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: Collins in this light, but as a mentor, as somebody
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: that was.
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: I think Troy Flowers could could be in that role, right,
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: I did not think Jamie Jamie Collins was.
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but people talked a lot of positive things about
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: Jamie Collins just as a locker room guy last year.
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: And I wonder if Trey Flowers comes in shows key
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: On White a few things, takes him under his wing.
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: All right, now, he did one sentence. I think the list.
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: I think that is. I'm more hoping that it's that
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: than him actually playing instead of ke On White. But
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: if you think about how they would ideally use ke
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: On White, it's exactly how they used to use Trey Flowers.
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: So I think that that's where my head is at.
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: Is it Hopefully it's it's more of a mentorship.
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: But that makes great union didn't even think of it.
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: That makes great sense because you can't get Keyon White.
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: I mean, he's got to be on your roster. He's
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: a luck as a second round pick. But you can
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: get Trey Flowers on your practice squad.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, another guy who is kind of, you know, flashing
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: a little bit more and more is Jack Jones. A
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: lot of people I've heard I saw one one of
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Paul's people on Twitter say that they thought he was
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: the best cornerback on the team.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't agree with that. I think he makes plays
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: on the ball. I think he's a good player.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: I mean every practice is going to knock down or
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: pick off a ten yard out every practice.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: But I think he's also going to get up a
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: lot of balls down the field. On the field, I
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: think he's a little volatile too. I just like, you know,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: there's an element of I feel like we'll have ups
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: and downs with him, like he'll make a great play
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: on the ball and then you know he'll and then
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I get beat.
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: So I thought he really strug.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: If it wasn't for his situation, I'd be starting to
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: get excited for him. But I'm not gonna go there
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: because I don't want to be disappointed.
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think he's played as well as evidently
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: people are writing because I don't really read a lot
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: of that stuff.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: He hasn't played a lot of high level snaps until
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones has been out a little bit, and now
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: he's kind of sniffing.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: It but I think he's been uneven. I think he's
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: made a lot of really good plays. I've seen a
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: lot of standout pass break up. Yes, I've also seen
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: a lot of completions.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's kind of.
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: Only we only charted the past break up, correct.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: I think it's been feast or famine a little bit
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: with Jack Jones.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I just I just think he's active, he's fast, he's
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: got decent instincts. Yeah, it just needs to be harnessed
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: a little bit. And that comes from obviously playing and coaching.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: But you know, like I said, if it wasn't for
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: the situation, I'd be like, Okay, you know, we've got
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: some depth there.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: He's a good third I mean he's like I think
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: he's a great third corner. You know, it's the rotational piece,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: like it gives you some flexibility to put Jay Jones inside.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: But we'll see what's up with Jonathan Jones.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Gonzales continues, you know, to prove that he's a worthy
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: he's the corner.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: I mean then I think for the first time, I
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: would say this is the best step they've had a
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: corner in a while.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, at least since nineteen nineteen. Yeah, with JC and
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones and Stefan Gilmore. Yeayeah.
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: I think with Jack Jones off field stuff aside, you
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: have two guys in Gonzales and John Jones who are
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: really really steady man coverage guys that don't get burned
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: too often. And then you have your ballhawk on the
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: other side, and maybe he can take some more chances
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: to make some plays and play a little bit more
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: of his style of football because you have you know,
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: Gonzo's gonna take the number one and John Jones is
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: going to take the top slot guy, and you already
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: have those bases covered and he's sort of the third
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: guy that's allowed to ball. But to me, he's he's
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: their best ballhawk. Yes he's he's there J C. Jackson
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: right now, but in terms of down to down consistency,
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: that's that's not his game. So if he's the third
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: corner and he's just free to just kind of do
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: his thing, then I I don't necessarily mind it. But
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: if you're counting on Jack Jones to be your guy
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: against AJ Brown in Week one, then I'm not so
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: sure how excited about that I would be.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to make that plan now with
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: the uncertainty. I mean, he seems very confident on Twitter
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: that you know, the truth shall set him free, like
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of that kind of cryptic stuff. Yeah. Yeah,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: he's xing a lot, he's exing it out.
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: I think with that lawyer that he wouldn't be doing
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: any of that.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I know, I know. Uh, just it's it's a it's
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: a big question mark right now. And I mean, just
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: you know, again, Jonathan Jones has now missed three practices,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: so I don't know what that is. But I don't
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: think they got great depth. And if you don't know,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: you know what up with Jack? I mean, all of
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: a sudden you're looking at Gonzales and Marcus Jones and
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Miles Brian as your starting three.
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: Like it is funny because I did like they have
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: depth at safety and I think if you sort of
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: move some pieces around to haending on you know, Jalen
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: Mills as an example. But I agree with you. I
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: think that it's a little bit of a house of
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: cards at a few positions.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: In corner is one of them.
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: And if Jack Jones is not part of the equation,
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: I don't think they have any depth there at all.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I mean Jonathan Jones is just so important, just because
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: it's so much he can do. I mean in the
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: leadership and the on field experience that he has replacing mccordy.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's one to watch.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: He'll be fine, Okay, Jonathan Jones will Yeah, No, I agree.
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: I agree with that minor.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I thought Cole Strange would be fine, and I haven't.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Seen him since.
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: I think he is. I think he is fine, Yeah,
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: I do. I mean, this is not based on anybody
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: telling me anything. I'm just watching. He's like he was
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: out a couple of days ago, he had the big
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: sleeve on his left leg. Yesterday when he was out,
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: he didn't have that on at all. I just think
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: they're being very, very very cautious, and I think that's
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: the way to go. He's not playing Thursday night. Just
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: let him get his his conditioning, you know, in check.
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: Hopefully that's the situation with Trent Brown. It's not a
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: major thing, you know, with a calf problem that he
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: had last year that caused him to miss some time.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: That was one thing I was going to bring up,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: like it kind of was weird to me that Trump
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Brown got up to the podium and said he was injured.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Like that's not usually the Patriot way of you know,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: hurt guys coming up and admitting it on the in
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: front of the podium.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Like it's just weird.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, he came out, he's got his helmet and
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: he just stands there and watches like I like, I
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: don't know, I don't I don't get it. It just seems
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: weird to me, this whole situation.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: But more importantly, will anybody be watching Hard Knocks?
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: No?
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: Oh that's tonight, right, yeah, yeah, someone will tell me
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: what was on.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: I usually that's like the for whatever reason, the talk
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: shows love that stuff and they played the clips and
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: I know and I feel like I saw it, like
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: I don't have to watch.
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, all the good stuff will be on Twitter. Yeah,
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: so there's no reason to watch the.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Whole Not like that. Not a huge Hard Knocks fan
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: me neither. It's it's it's less about football now, it's
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: just more about the.
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: Well now it's even less about football because they're not
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: showing anybody get cut because the Jets think it's inhumane
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: to show people losing their jobs, so they're they're not
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: even doing the whole that whole dance anymore either.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: If you're gonna get cut though, when you'd be like
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: put it on TV, I need a job, like get
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: it out there. Look, look how sad I look. Give
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: me some work.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: It'd be funny if a dude just like looked into
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: the camera and go, yo, I'm available. Thirty one other
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: teams out there hit me up.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: I I it'd be even better if they're like, you're
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: gonna cut me, you know, and I'll cut your chair
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: and throws it and you know, play at the cameras
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: the yeah, the drop that.
• 26:25
  Speaker 9: Team passed on me.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: I think there there's a way if the show was
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: done like sort of you know, twenty four to seven access,
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: that it could be interesting.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not. And you know what, you know,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: it can't be done like that. So I think some
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: of the most interesting stuff to me, And it goes
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: back to the football life with Bill and O nine.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: It's just when all the coaches are sitting around the
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: table and each position coach kind of runs through his
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: guys and talks about what's good, what's bad, what's going on,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: you know, and then the head coach kind of takes
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: it all and I just I think that stuff is
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: so interesting when you're getting you know, just kind of
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: not the hierarchy, but just kind of how the sausage
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: is made between the position coaches and analyzing their players,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: feeding it to the coordinator and the head coach and
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: then you know those guys having to make the big
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: picture decisions. That that's the stuff I love, and you don't.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: You don't really get that anymore. Like it's it's all
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: just dramatic music and they're like throwing pads around and
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: then you see, like, you know, somebody's girlfriend on the
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: sideline and they go give him a kiss, you know,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: and then then practice is over all of a sudden,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: like what do we get?
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: There's nothing, well because so a few years ago JJ
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: Watt mentioned that he picked up a snap count from
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: Hard Knocks, and ever since then, they've stripped it of
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: all of the good football stuff.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: When he was like flipping the tire over, like he
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: would just like gratuitously out just do stupid stuff.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: I don't like about it, and I know everybody hates
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: JJ Watt. I don't, but that's completely performative and they
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: and that happens every year. Somebody does that every year now,
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: JJ Watt's a huge personality, so he's the one that
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: he's the poster child for performing for the camera, right
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: hard O, Hardle on Hard.
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: Knocks, Hall of Fame, Harder Right.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: There was one of him when they were on Hard
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Knocks where it's like you know, dusk, you know, like
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: everybody's gone and he's out like still hitting the pat.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I think that's what I'm talking about, to where he's
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: like flipping a giant like wagon wheel over and stuff
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: like you know, like, oh god, the work never ends.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: And the way that that stuff is edited, the injuries,
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: the way that stuff is edited and put together is
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: intentionally deceiving all the time. And some of the stories
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: that you know behind the scenes just like like I said,
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: I'll let other people will watch it, you know, when
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: when Rex Ryan is saying let's go get a goddamn snack,
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: I'm here for that that, you know, just to make
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: fun of it, you know, but you're not getting it.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: There was that one.
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: It was like probably ten, Yeah, that was the year
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: Reeves held out, So I want to I want to
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: say it was nine or twenty twenty ten around there.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I mean it was when they were beating the Patriots,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: that it was still good.
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: That was the last time Hard Knocks was good. That
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: was the best all time Hard Knocks and the last
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: time that it was actually good.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Any other NFL news out there that we want to
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: report on.
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: A couple of days old, just as it relates to
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: the Patriots, Alvin Kamara was suspended for three games for
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: the Saints.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Patriots play him in a week five.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: So yet another sign that Tom Brady is no longer
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: on the quarterback of the Patriots, because clearly that would
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: have been a five game suspension if Brady were still here.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: So yeah, the Patriots don't catch a break in all
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: seriousness with that. And he's probably one of the only
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: offensive threats the Saints have.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now starting to preseason focus a little bit of
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: you know, Texans talk and you know c. J. Stroud, Yeah,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Will Anderson, you know some interesting pieces.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: Are you going to have John McClain on the show, Matt,
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: Are we efforting John McClain, Oh, look at him scrambling around.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you woke him up, this diehard. He's got a
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: folder in there.
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: You gotta talk it to the mic.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: John is retired.
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: No, I know that, but we we can't get him
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: to talk.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Well, he's not covering the team, and he's not who
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: I was going to book. He does. Actually, he's very
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: active on Twitter. Still.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's the guy. He's retired and I'll get him. No,
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: that's fine, that's fine. You like John mcclan he's the
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: best number one, he's such a nice guy.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Now, did he cover the Oilers back in the day? So,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: and then he just kind of hung around till the
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Texans came back. Yeah, he did.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: He's been around for a long time and he is
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: I just don't know anybody in that league that has
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: a bad word to say about him. Yeah, he's a
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: straight sh yeah, and he's not he's no pomp.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and even like the Texans like gave him pretty
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: good access, but he was still honest about you know
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: what he was seeing?
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: By the way, real quick, did you guys see the
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Baltimore Orioles reporter?
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: Do you guys know anything more about this? There has
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: to be something, has to be like something, right. I
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: played the clip three different times because it cuts off
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: really quickly.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: The truth is never mean, he's just stay.
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: In facts, right, but but it actually states it and
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: it's such a like a really well done like it's right,
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: it's professional broadcaster one oh one.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: And he didn't go rogue because it was a whole
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: graphics package to a company.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: The producer get fired too for putting all those graphics.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Up right, So it'd be like, you know, if the
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Patriots have had a hard time with you know, the
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Giants in super Bowls and now we're playing them for
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: the third super Bowl. I mean you have to say
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: that now you know when I lost two super Bowls
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: to the Giants.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: Now you know what I worry about.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, you have to state the facts like.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Looking at that, like if you could get suspended for that.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Like like this show just yeah, so I So that's
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I'm with you, Paul. There's gotta be something that There's
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: got to.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Be something that we don't know about that guy.
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: I wonder if it was like a pattern and this
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: like maybe he's been negative on the air before and
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: this was sort of just the final And I'm not
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying that he should have been suspended for
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: what he said.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: I'm definitely not. But what if they went to him
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: beforehand and they said, hey, listen, we know we never
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: went in tampa'ss. What's you know let's get past that.
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: Let's ignore that. And then he said, well, no, I'm
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: not going to ignore it. I gonna put a whole
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: package together about it, you know, to lead into the
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: broadcast graphics.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: And he directly defied in order. Then you know, then.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, I think the order itself is foolish. Correct, but
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: he's still defied.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: The team would still be looking foolish. But they should
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: come out with a statement if that, if there's something
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: more to it, because they look ridiculous right now.
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: Right anytime something looks so blatantly obvious one sided, I
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: always think of what don't we know?
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because like one of your shows this morning, Paul here,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: we're like, you know, we're gonna find out he's got
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: like dead bodies on you know.
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: Fred Fred Tivins guy, Because what if it was like that,
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: he's like up on murder?
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Can that one be Evans show from now on the touch?
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: And that's right, you are, I guess.
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it sounds like they just have sensitive to guess
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: a guy before the home opener in twenty twenty one two.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's really ridiculous, Like just they they couldn't
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: win in Tampa and all of a sudden they've won
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: Tampa this year.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Now it is that guy like so C is that
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: what he would be the equivalent of like the t.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: For the Red Sox, but he's the he's employed podcaster.
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: I don't think it's I think it's a nesting situation
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: where it's owned by the team, but it's not. It's not.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: I see, yeah, D'Angelo owns.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Angelo subs dropped the d just Angelo, correct, Peter, I
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: thought there was a Turkey subcoming on drop slam on
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: the drop the the ATM machine.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's a weird situation.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, just that occurred to me, and it was I.
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: Mean everybody again like Thursday night, if I say, Bailey's
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: appy's really struggled the last few days of camp, but
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: my my key card going to work.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: The next day.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, everyone's supporting him and killing the team. So
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: at some point you would think that if there is
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: something else that the team might say, you know, this
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: isn't why.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Well, if it was here, they would get Bob hold
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: right a scathing So in.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Eight five five past five hundred is the a sticket houtline.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Don't know how many people are gonna be calling because
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: we're doing this early show.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: And tried to get word out this morning on the X.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: But yeah, on the X, that's the new signal.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Right, what about threads, mayn't I haven't open threads since
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I signed up for an account. Yeah, I haven't even
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: threaded once. Yeah. I don't know.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: How many social platforms do you want to be?
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I can't even keep track of one. And I'm like, yeah, yeah.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I don't like it.
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: I'm out on threads.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: This is the matter of context.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think not to rehash threads, but
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: like I use Twitter for work to try to access
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: information and what people are saying about a specific topic
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: and a timely manner. That's my number one use for Twitter.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: And what does threads do. Threads is just you know,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: a random mishmash of right people being thrown at you, like, hey,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: you might be interested in this.
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, I'm not interested now.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I'm here for the info, need the info. Yeah, it's
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: not the all twenty two. So all right, he's.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Web radio at patriots dot com. People emailing, so continue
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: to do so we'll get to your emails.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Talk to us.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, I was raining yesterday today it's supposed to stop
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: around practice time.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: I think it's I mean, we're hopeful here a family
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: day that.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: When we walked in the studio, but the family days indoors.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, it's in the optim lounge. But yeah, yeah, so,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: but you.
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: Want to be on the field, you want to practice.
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: You know, Mike's kids, they want to be.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Kids. They got a Brady jersey on. I'm waiting for
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Paul to be like, you know, your dad hates.
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: Brady Campbell's soup.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Just put that in my head.
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, his kids are also a cornerback, Tyson Campbell.
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: Oh there you go. Good cornerback too.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I know. Unfortunately only Campbell's on the back though, so
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: doesn't do Tyson any good, you know.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: All right, let's uh, let's get to some of these
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: emails again. You can also call eight five to five
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: paths five hundred on the ACE ticket hot line. We'll
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: go to who who is this Josh writing in? Uh,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: He's from Columbus, Ohio. Understanding there might be a number
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: of factors which make this a silly idea.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: But what do you think.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: About Taekwon moving to the X to be the full
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: time backup for Devonte Parker? Evan talking about Devonte Parker
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: being someone who has to be thrown to a spot
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: so he can climb a ladder to beat the defender
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: is what got me thinking Taekwon is someone who could
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: be led on a pass and in theory being six
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Tuish could also go up and get the ball. Wondering
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: if this removes a couple of his issues with route
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: running as well. Speaking out of my butt here, but
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: it feels like Davante only runs a vertical or a slant.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: That's that's kind of true. I mean, I don't. I
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: just think generally they want everybody to kind of do
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: a little bit of everything. Even if Parker is going
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: to be at the ax and that's going to be
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: his main kind of role, It's also just be disappointing
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: to have to kind of subjugate Taekwon Thorntonto just backing
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: up Devonte Parker at.
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: The ex He wants you, guys said, he's good as fifty,
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: wants them to replace part I'll replace the X can't
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: he said, back them up up? Oh, I thought he
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: said to replace them.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: He said back them up. Oh, I'm not interested in
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: him being a backup.
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's kind of what he is, right, that's
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: what's that's where we are right now.
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: I'm not a fan of Taekwon at the X, yeah,
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: because as an X receiver, you play on the line
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: of scrimmage, so you can see a ton of press
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: coverage and you're just gonna bump and run, bump and run,
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: bump and run, and that's the opposite of what I
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: want Taekwon to do. When you play him at the Z,
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: you can move him around the formation, you can motion him,
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: you can play him in the slot a little bit,
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: and that gets him away from some of that contact
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: and lets him just run.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Question. Ye, have we seen a lot of Taekwon because
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: there's been a lot of motion in camp. I don't
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: recall a lot of Taekwon in motion, though I remember
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Pop Douglas a lot.
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, not not a ton, which I hope is maybe
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: just because he hasn't been out there as much as
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: some of the other guys, and hopefully they get to
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: that that point. But my vision for Taekwon has always
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: been to use him like O'Brien. He's Jamison Williams at
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: Alabama and that was a little bit on the outside
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: for but I think Jamison Williams is a better releaser
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: and finisher through contact than Taekwon is. Mostly the snaps
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: in the slot Z. Those are the spots where you
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: can get him off the line of scrimmage and basically
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: just turn it into a track meet, which is what
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: you want with a guy like that.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, there you go, Yeah makes sense.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see Michael is in Mcallisterville, Pennsylvania. Recently read
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: an article by CBS Sports which listed the top candidate
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: from each NFL team's active roster to reach the Hall
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: of Fame, and he's talking about the Canton one. The
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: writer listed Matthew Slater for the Patriots. I cannot disagree
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: with the selection, but this is a poor commentary on
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: the current active roster. That special teams player is our
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: best shot to reach Canton. Is there another player you
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: can see reaching this level? I think I was thinking
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Matt Judhon if he puts together a few more Pro
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Bowl caliber seasons. Love the show, love the entire cast,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: but the addition of Evan was a great move. He's
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: my pick for a future Patriots unfiltered Hall of Fame inductee.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Oh are you in that?
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah? Andy and I they wave they waive them.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Bill Belichick has said that Slater. He
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: thinks Slater is one of the greatest special teamers ever
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: should be in.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: The quantify that though, like it's hard to be, like,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: you know what.
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: Let's move beyond. Let's let's try to answer his question,
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: because I think it's a good question, and I agree
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: with his premise.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Judon is the only one I would think of that
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: could maybe and I think he's too old and probably I.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Think that he also would need to do it in
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: some big games.
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know, like in the playoffs. I mean,
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: if you're great, you're great. But I don't look at
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: him as a Hall of Fame type player. He's a
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: really good player. He's a good player in today's game.
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, Pro Bowl caliber player. I think
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: he's got four Pro Bowls in a row with Baltimore
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: and too.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: But I always say this, if he has like some
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: key sacks and some playoff games, that that helps you.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, when you do it in the big stage,
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: it enhances your resume.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think they have one guy in top
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: one hundred NFL players was chewed on, right, They had
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: nobody over ninety and Madden. I mean, this is this
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: is where you're at. Any kind of rating it come
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: up with, it's it's not really pretty at this point.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Until some of these guys, it.
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: Would be a projection. It would be like one of
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: the younger guys, what are you looking at?
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: Like Pop Douglas.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Let's not put him in the Hall of Fame just yet,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: have it? I don't know, Like I mean, I'm thinking
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: about Rimandre. I don't want to make that argument because
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know how hard it's going to or how
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: easy it'll be for running backs to really get in
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame anymore. With how running backs are
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: used anymore, Like, there's not going to be a well
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: when you think about it, in your productive running back.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: I mean his his average per game rushing, you know,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: doesn't it have to be a little higher than what
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: his is?
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and you have to do it for
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: a long time.
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: We he would have to sort of evolve into the
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: man as opposed to a part of the committee. Now,
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: the last half of last year he was the man, right, Yeah,
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: and his production went down as the season went on.
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: But if he were to have five seasons where he
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: was the guy and all of a sudden, instead of
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: rushing for a thousand yards, he's rushing to fifteen hundred
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: and averaging over five yards to carry. That's definitely now.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: The guy that Gonzales I was just gonna say, you
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: took the words out of my mouth. You know, you
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: hope that that's he's kind of career he has. But
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: you know, how hard is it for a corner back?
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to get in?
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: I thought Douglas was.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's practiced eleven times. Like there's no question of
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: the course. You guys are right, But I mean, just
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: as far as.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: I mean house, you have to be as a corner get.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Elite athletic talent. He's making some balls.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: Law, Derell Reeves right, Charles Woods, like, he's like guys
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: that have gone in lately.
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, as a patriot, you have to be all time
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: great to get into the Hall of Fame. If he
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: was like a Steeler, then maybe be a little bit
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: easier for him. So that that's true, that's the biggest
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: It's like I'm with Ty Law just had to you know,
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: be amazing and have a pick six in the Super
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: Bowl to sniff the Hall of Fames, Right, I don't
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: like to me.
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: I they made Andre tip it way for how many years?
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't know, you're I'm right
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: with you. I mean I know it's everybody against us.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: You know, it's it's ridiculous to say a rookie. But
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: that's that's where the Patriots are. That's what Tom Brady
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: and right.
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: I think the point of that wasn't everybody against us?
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: So was everybody for Pittsburgh. That's the beauty of that.
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: The whole Steelers Teamittsburgh, Dallas. Joey Porter Junior can't cover
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: anybody in camp, but he's already going into the Hall
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: of Fame from when I heard so, I have a
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: real issue with Hall of Fame voters if you can't
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: tell real issue.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I've heard your rad Tom, I'm the Steelers seventies teams.
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: But it just didn't I think there are a lot
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: of especially lately when you you've sort of been covering
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: the league for a while and you're more familiar with
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: some of the players. I think there's a lot of
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: good players that have been inducted into the Hall of
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: Fame lately. Not great, I would hope, so no, no, no,
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: but not great that's my point. I don't think you
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: should have to be how many times we talked about it.
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: I know Fred and I are locked up on this.
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: We're for a small only the select view and you
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: know them when you see them, they're just absolutely dominant, transcendent.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: Put Tom Brady, I don't have to talk about this.
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  Speaker 5: He's in the Hall of Fame. There's no argument to
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: be made. I think there were a lot of guys.
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: How do you feel there were good arguments to be made,
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: and some of them made it, some of them didn't.
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: How do you feel about Dion Sanders' idea of having
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: like the the the Gentleman's club upstairs, you know, the
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: the real Hall of Famers's club.
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know he's sort of advocated for a small
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: hall break like a strip club.
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: No, no, it's for like the real Hall of Fame.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: There's no touching in the champagne room, no matter what
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  Speaker 5: they tell you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a smaller hall upstairs, like yeah, I don't remember
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: what the word he was obvious, wasn't that?
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: But they're they're gonna plus it up for Yeah. I
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  Speaker 6: am not for that, Dion Sanders, Tom Brady. You know,
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: the greats and the greats are in this like upper incheloge.
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  Speaker 2: I think I think there's an opportunity for whether it's
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  Speaker 2: a PFF or some outlet or Sports Illustrated to say, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: we're redoing and we're creating our own Hall of Fame
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  Speaker 2: and these are truly just the greats, you know, And
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  Speaker 2: they come up with that list and I'm sure it
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: will get a billion clicks.
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: Well that was what like the NFL, like with Belichick
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: and like the NFL one hundred thing they did a
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: couple of years ago that was supposed to be the
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: one hundred greatest players in NFL history and no period,
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: you know, we're not going to have any of these
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: like hall of very good guys in this one hundred list.
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  Speaker 1: I prefer the PFF.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: They went and they all the NFL has been around
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: for a hundred years now, right, they celebrated that.
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  Speaker 1: A few years ago.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: So so you create this, you create this Hall of
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: one hundred, right, and you're in there, but somebody.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: T shirts went in one out. Is that we're saying, yeah, somebody.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Can take your place, and you could get booted out
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: because it can only always be one hundred.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Thunderdome Hall of fame. I like it. I like it. Relegation.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: What have you done lately? Yeah, some of that with
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: with some of the number of retirements, you know, with
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: some of the teams, like let's let's get stuff back
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: into circulation. Like you're never gonna stay retired until nobody
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: knows who you are and then it's got to come back. Yeah.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Uh, Tim our friend from Duncan, I'm being I'm becoming
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: deeply concerned about the offensive line. I think if fully healthy,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: they'll be fine. But that's the question. When will they
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: have the full starting offensive line playing together? In your opinion,
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: how long will the starting lineup of Trent Brown, Cole Strange,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: David Andrews, Michael when you and Connor McDermott need to
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: play together to be a cohesive unit.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: I have no idea on them when you, I don't.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: No one's reported anything. No one actually even said what
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: the actual injury was. I mean, I think we know
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: it was ye surgery, Like I think that is that
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: a wide range of potential things that it could have been.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I have no idea on him.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: There's no programma.
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: I'm expecting him to be ready for the season. Yeah,
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: I am haven't been told anything, and I just feel
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: like it was kind of.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Planned. Yeah, I mean I kind of agree that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if that is the group, that they'll be okay, Like
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: even if it's McDermot, they're not going to be great.
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: I think it's concern in general. I think the offensive
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: line is a concern because I actually and this is
• 46:11
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• 46:13
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  Speaker 1: But like, I.
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  Speaker 5: Think it's a tough thing to hamstring your offensive coordinator
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  Speaker 5: think that there's a chance that that five would have
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  Speaker 1: And now great moments in history. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 1: it's a balancing act. And I mean I think building
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: a team, you don't want to get too young. You
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: want to still have some veteran presence.
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: But uh, but excuse do you hear that?
• 52:29
  Speaker 8: You know?
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: I also don't think you can just turn it all
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: over to We haven't even eaten yet, Fred, Wow, what
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: are they doing? Matt's going to take care of business?
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Smack it down? Why was this marine?
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: Must ties a bandana first?
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: For some reason?
• 52:46
  Speaker 8: Like?
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: What is Rambo? What is that? Look?
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: But I am coming to get you, Yeah, Todd, I.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Would just say, though, I think generally, you know, Paul
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: and I are the same. Just like this team has
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: to get younger, They gotta get younger. And so that
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: guy's dead now, everybody, so covering blood neutralizes the word.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: We use that fast.
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: I've ever seen you dispose of my body. That was impressive.
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: That's another great moment.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to Patriots Unfiltered. It's Deuce, it's Evan, Paul, myself,
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Matt and the booth. We're here until noon today, a
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: different time because practice is in the afternoon. Uh And
• 53:32
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  Speaker 2: in Philly. What's up, Zeke?
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  Speaker 6: Are you signing with the Patriots?
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  Speaker 5: Hey?
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  Speaker 1: How's it going? Fellas?
• 54:06
  Speaker 13: So playing the textans two days from now?
• 54:09
  Speaker 14: What are your predictions for rookie snap?
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Oh that's a good question. I'm zero from Mardy Mappo.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Let's just start with the easy one red jersey. Yeah,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: not gonna play it.
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: I would say you'd see some key on white, Yeah,
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: probably not much, if any.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Gonzales. I think a lot of has been running with
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: the quote unquote top top group, Take Careful Camp.
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: I was able to some of those guys.
• 54:33
  Speaker 6: Day three guys will play.
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: You'll see the Day three guys the offensive lineman. I
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: think you'll see Andrews and Mafy and Booty and your guy.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: And I think you'll see Booty in Douglas.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: It's interesting with Mafi though, because he's kind of important now,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: but he does need to like to get his feet
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: wet by someone's gotta play. I know, I know they've got.
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: My eye on Mafi on Thursday night because it's hard
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: to to evaluate the offensive lineman and team drills without
• 54:58
  Speaker 6: being able to go back and watch because it happens
• 55:01
  Speaker 6: so quickly. So Who's back of the week. All twenty
• 55:03
  Speaker 6: two is back, and we will be able to watch Mafi.
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: If Mafi is good at guard and when on when
• 55:10
  Speaker 6: who comes back?
• 55:11
  Speaker 8: On?
• 55:12
  Speaker 6: When at tackle? Mafi at guard and maybe you don't
• 55:15
  Speaker 6: have to play. Connor McDermot and Riley reeve like that.
• 55:18
  Speaker 6: That might be your best five. If Mafy can hold.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Up, that's good stuff. I'd like to see something out
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: of the other two, So and and and Jake Andrews
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: haven't seen a lot out of them. Wasn't really impressed yesterday,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: So it's.
• 55:29
  Speaker 6: Been a rough one on one training camp for City.
• 55:31
  Speaker 6: So like, I hate to single out somebody, but he's
• 55:33
  Speaker 6: learning a new position and it shows.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he looks like a pig in an urban set.
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: But I think you will see uh, you know, like
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: like the boys said the day three guys, I think
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: you'll see them get a lot of snaps.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Zeke, anyone in particular you're looking for.
• 55:49
  Speaker 14: It would be great to see Bolden get a couple snaps.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's gonna play a lot. He'll play. Yeah.
• 55:53
  Speaker 6: I want to see him on kickoffs, yeah, like returning kickoffs.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think of everybody we talk about Jonathan Jones,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Jack Jones kind of a little bit uncertainty. He's he's
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: a guy I think that still has that opportunity next
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks. He's got to do it against other teams.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: But he's got good size, he runs well. Thanks.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Speaking of kickoffs, is our first chance to see the
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: new rule, to see how that plays out on kickoffs
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: with the fair catch.
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  Speaker 1: M Yeah, they make like something we've been noticing. They
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  Speaker 2: Mike's in Sarasota, Florida.
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  Speaker 13: What's up, Mike, gentlemen, Good morning and Mike. Good to
• 56:32
  Speaker 13: talk to you, guys. Thanks for taking my call. Sure,
• 56:34
  Speaker 13: first is definitely in agreement with the offensive line. I
• 56:38
  Speaker 13: think that is to me a concerning thing. I think
• 56:42
  Speaker 13: so much is going to hinge upon that. But the
• 56:45
  Speaker 13: reason I'm calling is, what is your guys take on
• 56:49
  Speaker 13: why have they Why did Bill get away from the
• 56:51
  Speaker 13: full back because it seems like we had such a
• 56:53
  Speaker 13: good power running game when we had the fullback position
• 56:57
  Speaker 13: going more so with Devlin Yaka maybe not so much,
• 57:02
  Speaker 13: but why why did he get away from that?
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, unless you have a fullback who
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: truly is versatile, it's you're only going to use them
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: like a few times a game.
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: I think that they wanted to be less predictable offense. Yeah,
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: and I'm not telling you they're right, wrong, or indifferent,
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: but this is the way it was explained to me
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: a couple of years ago. Is when you know, when
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: Yakob Johnson was on the field, they were predominantly going
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: to be running back.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Like I said, if he could actually, you know, go
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: out and catch passes and be good at that, then
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: that's a different Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I would take like, you know, duh, I would take
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: a guy that has the varied skill set like us
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: check if you wanted to incorporate a fullback. I'm not
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: really interested in a battering Ram fullback in today's day
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: and age.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: They don't really seem interested in trying to find that
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: guy over the last couple of years. I mean, it's
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: just been two years since it like yaka, well, no,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: you're right, I mean, Folkser is in that mold a
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: little bit.
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: But like I would argue, it's like the middle of
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: the summer sign ridiculously anecdotal. Okay, I have no research
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: being done off the top of my head here, but
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: like I just look around the league and what are
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: the teams that you would say are really good that
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: incorporate a fullback on any kind of a regular basis,
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: And I would say there probably aren't very many. San
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: Francisco is one of them. I just explained that he's
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: to me, not really a battering Ram fullback, but so
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: a lot of people say, well, look what Josh Jacobs
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: did last year with the Raiders. He had a phenomenal year.
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: He was probably the best back in football last year.
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: They got Yakub Johnson to run in front of him.
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: How'd they do? How'd that work out for him? Like
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: I think, you can rack up a lot of yards,
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: would be a great power running football team. Doesn't necessarily
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: translate to being a really good football team, you know
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: what I mean? And again ridiculously anecdotal. There's probably a
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: number of teams that you guys could come up with
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: that you know, played really well using a lot of
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: two back sets. I think they wanted to get away
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: from being predictable, and that's why they did it. I'm
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: not telling you they're right for doing it, but I
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: think that was the reason.
• 58:59
  Speaker 6: I'm with the I missed the full back. I think
• 59:02
  Speaker 6: that there's a lot of schematic advantages to having a
• 59:04
  Speaker 6: full back. Full Backs can go both ways right, they
• 59:06
  Speaker 6: can go left or right. When you have a tight
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: end lined up in line, he's on his side of
• 59:10
  Speaker 6: the formation and you can slide them across. But it's
• 59:13
  Speaker 6: not the same action. And I think the biggest thing
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: is is that with the full back. You can build
• 59:19
  Speaker 6: sides right that you can build three or four man
• 59:20
  Speaker 6: surfaces at any given time because he can go in
• 59:23
  Speaker 6: both directions. And then you also have the poll that
• 59:27
  Speaker 6: it causes on play action, which I think is really
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: where they made their money under McDaniels. Was you know
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: lead ISO. Oh no, it's not lead ISO, and now
• 59:35
  Speaker 6: it's play action and those linebackers have to scream up
• 59:38
  Speaker 6: to take on the full back, and now we're hitting
• 59:40
  Speaker 6: the crossers and things in the seams behind the linebackers.
• 59:44
  Speaker 6: I thought that that was one of their bread and butters,
• 59:47
  Speaker 6: like that was an easy offense for them to run.
• 59:50
  Speaker 6: I agree with Paul that maybe it's antiquated, you know,
• 59:53
  Speaker 6: maybe the numbers don't back up that it's a high
• 59:56
  Speaker 6: flying offense anymore. But I look at Kyle Shanahan, who
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 6: I think is the best offensive mine in football, and
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 6: he loves full backs. He said as long as he
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 6: was the head coach of the forty nine ers, they
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 6: would have a full back, whether it was us check
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 6: or was somebody else. And McDaniels loves full backs. There's
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 6: a lot of really good, smart offensive minds that love
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 6: full backs. So I think it still has a role,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 6: and I don't think it's totally gone. I think that
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 6: they're gonna it's definitely not totally experiment a little bit
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 6: with it.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: I just would like to see if you're gonna do it,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: if you're gonna have two backs in the field, I
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: need that guy. I need you to be able to
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 5: throw as often as you do run. And San Francisco
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: has the ability to do that because they have kind
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: of a unicorn play in the position.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, now that you know, not to go to
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: down the rabbit hole with Anthony Ferkser, but he played
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 6: us Check's role at Harvard when when Uscheck went to
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 6: the NFL, and they are similar body type, similar type
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 6: of players, and first or can catch the ball a
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 6: little bit.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: He's not a dynamic went to Harvard too, all right,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: I just want yeah, figured.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 6: He's not a dynamic pass sketcher by any means, but
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: he's not Yakub Johnson either, Right, he does bring a
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 6: little bit of juice in that role.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: You would have some of that flexibility.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think it's kind of right now. It
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: seems to me like it's a goal line package only
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: in their offense.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike, let's say no, Phil and Vermont just booked
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: my first ever trip to Vegas to go see the game.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: You know any Patriot fan friendly spots I should check
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: out while I'm there, bars, restaurants, whatever, or perhaps any
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: events the organization may be hosting. Well, you should start
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: with the Patriots fan Club Registry on Patriots dot com.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: Type in Las Vegas and see what fan clubs are
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: there and where they meet on Sunday. That's a good
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: place to start. Then there's Barry in Siong's Patriots Tailgate
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: group on Facebook. They always organize a lot of road trips,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: and I'm sure they're gonna do something for Vegas. I
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: know Barry's a big Vegas guy.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Is he big Germany guy? Are they doing Germany? I
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Well, Patriots will have stuff going on in Germany, so
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: I'll let you know what we get closer to that.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: But I know Barry loves Vegas. He's there a lot
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: with his wife, so I'm sure there'll be something going
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: on in Vegas. Go to the Patriots Tailgate group on
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: Facebook and check that out, or the fan club registry
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: on Patriots dot com.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: So there you go.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: Let's see who is this James writes in Where's James?
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: Trump doesn't say Eric wouldn't like that. I apologize, I've
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: already covered this. I expect that everyone was excited to
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: hear in Jack Jones's press conference that he apparently listens
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: to the show.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 6: What didn't hear that?
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: I didn't hear that this is going to be a
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: sarcastic comment.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: I was wondering how Fred felt about his comment that
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: he wanted Fred to say it to his case. In
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: regards to Fred's comments last week.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 6: What oh you, I think you made a Jack Jones joke.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 6: So I guess he's.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: Say it to your face, say it to his face.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: I guess Jack. Jack Jones was I thought excellent in
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: his very brief, very scripted. Yeah, he did a good
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: job of it. He didn't have anything he wasn't He
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: did a good job. Yeah, Jack Jones.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: Congratulations to Evan on his engagement. I know it was
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: mentioned last week that they have not set a date,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: but I wanted to confirm that we can expect the
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: all too fifty tape breakdown after the wedding. That's a
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: big that's the best wedding.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 6: Maybe like take the five and the O out of
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 6: it and.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: Is he planning and posting it on patriot dot com
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: or will it be on the same channel where Alex
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: is breaking down the one on one film of the Dogwalks.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, I know he just James put
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: a lot of effort into this email. But stick to
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: your day job.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 5: Wow, you're so mean.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Why are you so mean?
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: He's trying to put fun.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 6: It really wasn't that funny.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: No, I agree with Fred, but it's kind of mean.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to say him from wasting his time down
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: the field, down the road.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 6: Uh?
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: And I'd like to hear Evan's thoughts on Booty after
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: a few consistently good practices. Does he think he makes
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: the fifty three man roster on this trajectory as the
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: fifth or sixth wide receiver? Does he play meaningful time
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: this season on this trajectory?
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 6: Evan thought, yeah, No, I think Deus and I are
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 6: on the same page with Booty, I'm not. I don't
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 6: see anything about his game like with with with Pop Douglas.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 6: His movement skills and his quickness are are apparent, like
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 6: they pop off no pun intended on the field, like
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 6: you can see it. It's tangible. With Booty, he's fine.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 6: I just don't see anything particularly stand out or special
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 6: about his game now. I will say his hands are
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 6: a lot better than I thought that they were going
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 6: to be. He struggled with drops in college. Uh, he's
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 6: He's had some real snags, like not just the one
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 6: handed catch, but caught some passes in the back the
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: end zone that had some sunny You.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: Had one coming across the back line, exactly what you're
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: talking about. Did a nice job out in front of him. Yeah,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: in traffic ball had some steam on it. Yeah, caught
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: it easy.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah. So's he's got better hands than I thought. And
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 6: I think, you know, literally like you know, in a
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 6: straight line. He's maybe a little bit more explosive than
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 6: some of the other guys that they have, But I
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 6: don't really see much wiggle. He's kind of stiff to me.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I still need to see a little
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 6: bit more out of Booty. I think we all got
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 6: infatuated with Douglas because it was different, Like it looks
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 6: the way that he moves, the quickness, the burst looks
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 6: different from than some of the other guys that they have,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 6: whereas Booty kind of just reminds me a little bit
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 6: of some of the other people. So if you're going
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 6: to carry him like Juju born, like, where where is
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 6: he even? Is he like a third born string?
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: Would burn go? Like?
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: I think your boy Jerry Thornton wrote that yesterday on Twitter.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: You know, if if Douglas in booty, you know, continue
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: and do you push someone off the roster?
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: I mean I haven't seen enough to especially coming off
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: of Bourne's probably best practice that I've seen in a while.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: Yesterday we had like three catches. Yeah, I don't.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 6: I think there is a formula where they do keep
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 6: six guys. Initially, I don't think that they'll carry six
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 6: for long. But I think there is a formula where
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 6: if they release maybe some of these special Teams guys
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 6: and do the old hey stick around like we're just
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 6: gonna do some roster tinkering and then we'll we'll get
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 6: you back on the fifty three, then I think it's possible.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: Douglas returns too, right, Like, I mean, he doesn't boot
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: he's not a special Teams guy. I know he's not
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: gonna play.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but Douglas isn't good. I mean, Marcus Jones is
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 5: going to return.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: Right, just value If you're gonna be the fifth receiver,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: can you really only be a receiver? You know? That's yeah.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 5: But like to my point is Douglas is really only
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: a receiver. Like he might be able to return, but
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: you're not going to not have Marcus Jones return. I
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: wouldn't think no, Like, isn't he too valuable in that?
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 6: Well, certainly on punt returns. I think there's a chance
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 6: that a guy like Isaiah Bolden might push him on kickoffs,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 6: But I think punts, it's I mean, you're not He's
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 6: probably the best punt returner in the league right now,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 6: so I think that that would be ridiculous.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: I'd be very surprised if they took that role away
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: from him.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: Eldred Eldred's in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred?
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: Hey?
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 14: Tell us how y'all doing this morning? Yeah, I'm just
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 14: sitting in waiting question. Oh, we signed trade Power Flowers again? Correct?
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, already done?
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 14: Okay, who's stamp do he take? And do you think
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 14: it's odd that we're boosting him the defense and not
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 14: the elefanse and not take it off air?
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I have a good one, Okay, thanks Eldred. Whose
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: spot does he take? I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: I think I think he's depth right now, and it's
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: not immediately apparent what Spotty's gonna fill. But I mean,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: just to echo what we said earlier, it's it's it's
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: a hand down defensive end that Cam White.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: Maybe he takes key On White's reps, or maybe Evan
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 5: has it and wise he's a guy who sort of
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: there to help Keon White a little bit and ends
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: up on the practice squad like Jamie Collins did last year.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: I like Evan's theory.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: I was almost gonna make the leap of could he
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: possibly threaten Lawrence guy? But they're they're different players, Yeah, different.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: I mean, they are different players. But that's another thing
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: to keep in mind.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: And his question about why are they beefing up the
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: offense the defense rather than the offense. I think this
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: is just a guy that's available, and we know him,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: we're familiar with him. You know, we'll take a shot.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: It's not going to cost him a lot of money.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: I don't think.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: I don't look at it as beefing up the defense,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, no, I don't know I'm not sure he's
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: on the team.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Our whole thing in March was like put a
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 6: name to the claim, and I think we get we're
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 6: getting a lot of this of what about the offense,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 6: Like why aren't they signing a tackle? Like name a tackle,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 6: Name a tackle who's available, that's going to move the needle.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 6: It's it's August eighth, right, Like there's not If there
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 6: was a franchise left tackle just dangling out there, then
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 6: I'm sure that a team, if it's not the Patriots,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 6: would be all over it. And same at receiver. They
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 6: that ship is sailed. They had they had DeAndre Hopkins
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 6: in the building, and that ship is sailed. I guess
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 6: maybe you could talk about the running backs, but I
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 6: don't think that Trey Flowers inhibits you from signing Zeke
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 6: or Dalvin Cook if that does come to fruition. So
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 6: I'm just if there was a tackle available that would
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 6: make a difference then, as a different conversation, but this
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 6: time of year, I don't really see who that is.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: Ama writes in saying I started listening to Catch twenty
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: two and I enjoyed very much. That said, I have
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: an issue with one of Evans's takes. Evan keeps stating
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: that you can build a championship caliber team without a
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: franchise quarterback and gives the forty nine Ers as an example.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 6: This is Barth's take.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: Allow me to replace snarky Paul on this one. One,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: it's so much harder to sustain success this way. And two,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: you know who doesn't seem to believe it as well?
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: The forty nine ers who traded three first round picks
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: in order to try and find a franchise quarterback.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 6: How did that go for them?
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: But they still wanted one?
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: How was winning a championship going for them?
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah? That's true too.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Paul doesn't have to chime in on this one.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 5: You could definitely win a Super Bowl without a franchise quarterback.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: I just think it's much much harder. And the email
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: is right. Let's say San Francisco kicks the door down
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: this year and Brock Purty wins it. How do you
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: keep all of those pieces that you need to win
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: it when you're doing it without the quarterback lifting everybody else?
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: Know I you know what I mean?
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 6: I don't necessarily disagreute that.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: How do you keep them?
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 5: How do you keep them all pay them, but then
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 5: they've already won. Now they want to go somewhere else
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 5: and make even more. Someone's going to pay them ridiculous money.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Right, Well, so you're saying they can't pay they.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: Want no, I'm saying they want to leave. I no
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: longer need the wing if they want to just go
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: for every last dollar.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: But if they give, why can't the forty nine ers
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: give them?
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: Well, they could if they wanted to. That's how you
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 5: could keep it together. That's how you could keep it together.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: No team's ever done that. So I'm saying it's hard.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: Why Because it's hard to keep guys hungry in.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: Stay to trying to bake.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: I know what you're trying to do, and I'm telling
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: you can do it, and you absolutely can do it.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: But you know Brandon Au, the two linebackers, you know
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: Warner green Law. You need all of those guys to
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: be great. You know what I mean. When you don't
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: have a quarterback.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 6: I think the just to push back a little bit
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 6: on the email or misconstruing a little bit. They don't
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 6: have the franchise quarterback currently. Maybe mac Jones turns into
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 6: the franchise quarterback. But as of right now, they don't
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 6: have the franchise quote unquote quarterback, and they also have
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 6: a quarterback on a rookie contract. So the only point
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 6: that Bart and I try to make about this is
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 6: not about sustained winning or anything like that. It's here's
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 6: your window to try to maximize Mac Jones on a
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 6: rookie deal and also help him out as much as
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 6: you possibly can while he's still cheap. And we don't
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 6: feel like they have adequately done that. And you look
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 6: at a lot a lot of the other quarterbacks around
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 6: the league that are were on that rookie contract, and
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 6: they all got their toys right like, they all got
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 6: these bells and whistles around them in this supporting cast
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 6: that really Joe Burrow, Josh Allen Tua, Like if you
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 6: put tyreek Kill and Jalen Waddle on this team right now,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 6: at Bill O'Brien and Mac Jones, we're having a lot
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 6: of different conversations about where the twenty twenty three Patriots
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 6: might be going. And that's the bottom line. It has
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 6: nothing to do with like is this a sustainable model
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 6: or anything like that. What you hope is is you
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 6: hope you get a Jalen Hurts situation where you put
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 6: aj Brown and DeVante Smith in the good offensive line
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 6: and all of a sudden, now Jalen Hurts looks like
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 6: he's a franchise quarterback and is he truly on his own?
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 6: I don't know, but he's gonna get paid like one
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 6: and he's going to be their quarterback for the next
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 6: five years at least, so they've they've answered the question
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 6: that Jalen Hurts is their guide now and was that
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 6: a product of everything else around him improving or if
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 6: his own skills improved. I guess we can we can
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 6: argue that, but what difference does it make at that point.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: Donnie and Pittsburgh says he's tearing his hair out over
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: the Mac Zappi conversation. Not sure why some folks don't
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: understand that Mac is the starter but still has a
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: lot to prove to keep that job long term. As
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: a result, maybe some fans are being a bit too
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: loud and keeping their eyes on Zappy as the fallout plan.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: Thanks for the coverage. It really makes a difference to
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: those of us outside the cable market blackout range.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, after the last couple of days, I'm not
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: sure how you could say, you know that Zappy has
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: a legitimate chance to like really unseat Mac at this point,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: he's got to He's gotta be a lot a lot better.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 5: But I don't understand why this bothers people. And this
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: gets back to our buddy Greg, who evidently is now
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 5: being fed a lot of information that Mike and I
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: are talking about Greg Bdard a lot on the show.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: I talk about a lot of people on this show
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 5: all the time, and I agree with a lot of them,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: and I disagree with a lot of them. And that's
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: what I told Greg when we talked about this. Why
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: does it bother you? If some people think that Zappi
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: deserves a shot to win the job, they haven't been
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 5: blown away by Mac Jones the last two seasons. They
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: felt when Zappi played last year, it looked different, and
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 5: it looked better when he played parts of four games.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 5: I am not in that camp. But much like we
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: had a conversation off air Mike about the greatest plays
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 5: in Super Bowl history when we're walking in, my opinion
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: doesn't need to be the opinion of everybody else. I
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: think Mac Jones is clearly the starter. I don't think
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 5: there's much of a chance of Zappi winning that job
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 5: unless Mac starts the season in very poor fashion and.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: Loses the job.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 5: But I don't know why Evan can't think differently and
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: think that Bailey Zappy deserves a chance to compete.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: Why.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: I think in some people's mind, if you're a fan
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: of the team, you have to be united behind your quarterback.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: You have one quarterback. If you have two quarterbacks, you
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: don't have a quarterback, and so everyone needs to back Mac.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: No. But but the opinion print the T shirt.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 5: I understand what you're you're talking about will be best
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: for the team.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about, but the fans.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 5: But fans have different views, so like.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: But that's I'm just talking for the people who get
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: annoyed when people start.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 5: Taking somebody else is annoyed that Bailey Zappi is not
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 5: that guy that you're not getting united behind.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: I I okay, that's fine, But I'm just saying that's
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: where these people are coming from. You back your quarterback.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: Mac is the number one quarterback. You back him.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 6: My general observation, I agree hundred percent. Would douce that
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 6: if Bailey Zappi is really going to truly push Mackie
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 6: has not played well enough in the last week to
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 6: be able to say that one hundred percent. And I
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 6: would also say that I don't think that there's a
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 6: competition for Week one. I think Mac Jones is going
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 6: to start against the Philadelphia Eagles, But the way that
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 6: they are running these practices is at least keeping Bailey
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 6: Zappy in their back pocket for if Mac goes belly
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 6: up in the first month of the season, because he's
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 6: more involved in these practices than most backup quarterbacks are.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 6: When you have an entrench starter, like if you have
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 6: a Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen Herbert like that type of starter,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 6: then your backup is not splitting reps with you in
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 6: practice like that just isn't how these practices typically are run.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 6: And I've seen a lot of Bailey Zappy for.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 5: With eleven yesterday and I think they both threw like
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 5: twenty passes, so they that's that's a lot of reps
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 5: for a practice for a backup quarterback. And again I
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 5: totally agree, we haven't seen. We haven't seen anything that
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 5: would indicate that Bill is looking at this as a
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 5: as a competition based on the way Mac is always
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 5: going first, always sort of with the quote unquote frontline guys,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 5: and Zappy goes in after that. But I agree with
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: Evan that Week one, there is no There's no question
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: in my mind. I'd be curious even to see if
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 5: what kind of eatmn Zappi gets Thursday night for Houston, right,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: does he get the starter treatment where he goes out
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 5: and plays ten to fifteen snaps and then he's done
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: middle of the first quarter, into the first quarter and
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 5: it's Mic Soreley and Cunningham to finish it off. I
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 5: kind of expect it to be something like that, and
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: that I think speaks to Evans's point, like in other places,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 5: when you have like a like a real starter and
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 5: then a backup that's really unproven, the backup plays a
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 5: lot in that game. He might even play the whole game.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: And I don't think that Zap. I mean, maybe I'll
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 5: be surprised on Thursday night, but I don't think we'll
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 5: see a ton of Zappi Thursday night.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: I agree with you, but I'd like to see it.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 5: I'd like to see I wouldn't mind it, but the
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 5: Bill might just look at us like, what are we
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 5: getting out of this? When you know, once you get
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: beyond the first quarter. There's nobody really out in the
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 5: field that's gonna be a huge part of anybody's team
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 5: that year.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 6: He's in the back pocket. That just is the way
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 6: I look at it is. Mac is the starter for now.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 6: Mac is is our will be the starter to start
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 6: the season. But if this goes wrong and there were
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 6: one in three or something.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 5: Can we play the game? Can we play you know
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: how Paul loves the p U games. Let's do Evans
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 5: thing they just sort of prefaced. Let's say he starts
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 5: the season like he did last year, only he doesn't
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 5: get hurt. Does Bill make a move and if so win.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: It's tough because I felt some positive Mac juju after
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: that Ravens game, and like, until he got hurt, it
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: felt like, all right, yeah they lost, but I felt
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: like we kind of learned something and then it got derailed.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, I'm a little bit. Had he
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: been healthy, I would have been excited going into Green
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: Bay to see if Mac could maybe turn the corner.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: And you know, so I wouldn't have been as quick
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: to if that makes sense, Like, you know, he made
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: some of.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 6: His best high end plays in that Baltimore game of
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 6: like down the field, that fourth down like scramble that
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 6: he had that he you know, bought some time and
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 6: made a play. I think it was to John new
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 6: Smith that that they converted on fourth down. That was
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 6: one of the better like playmaking Mac games that we've seen,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 6: not just Game Manager, you know, going, you know, not
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 6: shooting themselves in.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 5: Some plays in that game, no doubt. But I would
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 5: say over the balance of those first three games, he
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 5: did not play well. So do you think if that
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 5: happened again this year like last year, he wouldn't have
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: lost his job if they just if that play that
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 5: he got hurt on was just a regular last play
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: of the game and whatever, he would have played the
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 5: next game. There's no doubt in my mind. But this year,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: do you think if he gets off to a bad
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 5: start again after a month, maybe six weeks, does Bill
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 5: look at it to make them right?
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 6: I think it depends on their record. If they're winning
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 6: and he's just kind of fine, then I don't think
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 6: that they would make a change. I think you only
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 6: make a change if they're losing.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: There's a big propensity to throw turnovers.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: I agree with you, I don't think it would happen
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: unless they're really but I'd say too though.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: This is something that I've picked up with Evan a
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: lot is playmaker. The word playmaker with him when talking
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: about Mac Jones and Bailey Zappy. And I mean, I
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: don't want to speak for Evan. Of course, we're here
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: at the Patriots, we speak for ourselves. But not like
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: in Baltimore, he said, you know, he says a lot
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: of times like Bailey Zappy has a little bit of
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: the playmaker gene maybe that Mac doesn't have, and not
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: really something firm that you can grasp on to, like
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: say this is wide but just watching practice sometimes he's
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: a little bit more willing to to maybe take a
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: chance or to you know, maybe try something a little stupid,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: but it's practice, you know, those kind of things that
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: it's just something I picked up watching this new like
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: side arm thing.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 5: He's got to put that away.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's good.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 6: Happens a lot so he He's been widely inconsistent throwing
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 6: the football, I think, especially to the first and second
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 6: level for basically all camp, like the That surprises me
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 6: because I thought that he's a pretty accurate guy, like
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 6: he can control the ball for the most part. But
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 6: Mac has really been headed and shoulders above him at
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 6: the first two levels. And I think pre snab Max
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 6: still better than he is. And maybe that's just because
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 6: Max a year ahead, but I still feel like he
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 6: gets the team into the best play and more often
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 6: than Bailey Zappi does. But Zappi's got this just little
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 6: thing about him that he's got a little like he
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 6: doesn't have a big arm, but he does still have
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 6: that game. Yeah, it's just like a little gun slinger
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 6: thing in him, where like he'll move up in the
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 6: pocket or he'll like you know, step up and slide
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 6: to his left or right and then you know, kind
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 6: of whip a side arm throw around a linebacker and
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 6: you're just kind of like, I don't think the other
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 6: guy can do that. Like I think he can do that,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 6: but I don't think that Mac can do it. But
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 6: Mac consistently hits the layups way more than Bailey Zappi does,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 6: and that's probably more important.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: I think that speaks to kind of what Paul was
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: saying about. You know, the people out there that kind
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: of want to give Zappy a chance, I think this
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: is part of what they see in him a little bit.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: And not that there's a huge sample size to draw from,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: but they feel it.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 5: He played parts of four games last year. They were
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: two and two in the four games, like he played
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 5: the vast majority of the Green Bay game, I wouldn't
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 5: blame him for the Chicago game. He came in was
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: down ten to nothing. His passer rating in those four
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: games that he played was one hundred. I mean it
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 5: was well above what and I know passer rating is
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: not the be all end all, but it's apples to apples.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 5: I'm comparing the stats. It was well above what Mac
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 5: Jones did. I personally don't think that ZAPPI. I think
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 5: if he's one of those guys, like a utility player
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 5: in baseball, that if you had to play them all
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 5: the time, you'd eventually see the warts yea, and you
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 5: realize this is why he's a good backup. He can
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 5: go in and he'll do some things like Evan said,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 5: and maybe take some risks, and when they work, you
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 5: look great.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: But then when you.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 5: Try to start week after week after week, you're going
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 5: to see some passes getting batted down, like we've seen
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 5: constantly in camp, we saw in Chicago the game against Chicago.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: I think there's a difference between the two guys. But
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: I understand why some people look in and say he
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: played great those four games. He was better even though
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 5: it was Detroit and Cleveland that he played really well against.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: There's no real context there.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, back when Detroit wasn't that good.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: Well, the defense was never good for one second of
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 5: the season, and that particular game, none of them plays.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: They went for every fourth down and didn't.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: Make it, right.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, if you look back at that game and
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 5: if if that adults it just kicked field goals, it
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 5: would have been a close game, right, But he just
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 5: kept going for it. And not only they weren't getting it,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 5: some of them they were turning over and ended up
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 5: in the other end zone.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: Nicks in the car and the a stick and hotline.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: What's up? Nick?
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 15: Hey, guys, first time, long time on my way to
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 15: the Patriots practice with my son Braden right now.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 15: Just want to let you know we're definitely part of
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 15: the silent majority that listened to all the podcasts but don't.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 14: Call enough to contribute.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 15: But you guys do a great job. I love everything
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 15: you guys do.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: We appreciate the hundreds of thousands of you.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 15: Yeah, there's a lot of us, trust me, there is.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 15: So got a couple of questions. One, is there anything
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 15: we'll learn about the concept that Bill O'Brien will be
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 15: implementing this year from preseason game number one or is
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 15: it kind of just more like just like what we
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 15: would learned from the kind of like the players. Not much.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not much. It's gonna be all vanilla and basic stuff.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: And you know that that's that's the thing with preseason. Yeah,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna what you'll see.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: Though our packages for players, So you'll see all of
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: a sudden, you know, I don't know, name a running back,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: we'll get like four or five carries in a row,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: or they'll start, you know, targeting a certain receiver, uh,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: you know, in a certain series. So you'll see some
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: of that.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: I think too, if if if Malie Cunningham gets in
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: and they start running read options stuff like, that'll be
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: kind of fun to watch. I mean, that'd be I
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: don't know if that's going to be part of their
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: regular season package, but it might just be fun stuff
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: to watch in the preseason that they experiment a little
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: bit with him.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 6: I think I think they'll they'll run their base play
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 6: and they have to run something, right, So they're gonna
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 6: run their base plays offensively. They're not gonna run any
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 6: of the of the tricks, like, they're not gonna run
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 6: any of the cool stuff, but they'll run their base
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 6: plays and in a lot of ways like and I'll
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 6: try my best, I'm sure to say, Okay, well, this
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 6: is gonna be their foundational stuff. Then what cool stuff
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 6: can then come off of the foundational stuff that maybe
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 6: is more of that like PhD level that we'll get
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 6: to in the regular season, and that's gonna be the
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 6: stuff that I think, you know, you'll try to spin forward.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 6: But they they'll run their their base plays. I mean,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 6: they're gonna run their offense. It's not like they're gonna,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 6: you know, run a high school offense just because it's
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 6: you'll have.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: To extrapolate what were you what was your play?
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: Pop leads?
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 6: But you know, if they they run some of their
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 6: you know, some of the things that we've seen in practice.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 6: I don't want to give too much away, but if
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 6: they run some of those things, and maybe it's watered
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 6: down for the preseason, but you can see, all right, well,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 6: once we get into the regular season. This is it's
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 6: gonna be at this next you know kind of iteration
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 6: or this next step, and then we can have some fun.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: So wit zone.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: I hope not right, Nick, Thanks for the call. Have
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: fun at practice today.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 6: Let's get downhill.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: We'll see out there.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: Uh, Steve's in Treasure Island, Florida.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: I've been there, it says.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: Everyone seems to be sleeping on the Patriots with the
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: over under at seven and a half in fourth place
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: in the East. What am I missing? Patriots heavy top
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: ten or five defense, good running game, likely improved passing
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: attack under Bill O'Brien, and likely a much better kicking game.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: They were a couple of brain cramps from the playoffs
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: last year. I think they will surprise many teams this year.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 6: The schedule, that's what you're missing.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think everything he wrote was was right.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: But that's in this division. That's a lot of uncertainty
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: on the offense.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 5: Why is the kicking game improved? I guess we're going also,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 5: don't We're gonna We're gonna have a rookie kicker and
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 5: we're gonna assume that he's gonna make all the kicks
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 5: that Nick Volch dis good.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: That's a good that's a good call.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 6: It's also irrelevant.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 5: He's also a rookie. We're just going to assume that
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 5: he's going to be better.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 6: It's also all irrelevant.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: I agree with that where was the where was the
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: passing offense?
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 6: MATS team is not going to win two more games
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 6: because the special teams is better, I can promise you now.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: But if all those things are true, they could still
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: have a not as good record as last year because
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: of the record. I mean, because of the schedule and
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: the teams they're playing. They're playing the meat of the
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: you know, it's it's some of the best quarterbacks.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: In the league.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the schedule is definitely tougher than last year. And
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: I think that people only look all the time when
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: you have a disappointing season. You always look at the
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 5: games that you lost in crushing manners like the Raiders
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: and you know Cincinnati Vikings.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: You know Vikings could have won that game.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: Why they that Hunter Henry was a touchdown? They called
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: that back.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you still lose. We should have won that game.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: Pay a little better defense, No.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 5: I know that you play a little better defense. Yes,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 5: I agree, and if you play a little better offense
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 5: in any of the nine games that you lost, you
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 5: might have won some of those too.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: You should have won vikings.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 5: But I just like, no one ever looks at some
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 5: games that you win and say, wow, you know, a
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 5: couple of things fell into place for us on that
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 5: game and we were we found a way to win it.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 5: Like you know, Kyler Murray tearing his ACL in the
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: first series of the game. You know, I'm like, no
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 5: one ever looks it that way, right, you know, the
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 5: almost Marcus Jones returning a punt for a touchdown as
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 5: time expires. Like you don't win a lot of games
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 5: like that, you know, Like, I just think there's some
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: balance to be had there. But the bigger overriding factors
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 5: what you guys said, The schedule is more difficult.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 6: Depending on who you which analytics you like. The Patriots
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 6: by some metrics have the hardest schedule in the NFL.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: And we think, now maybe the just collapse. We all
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: hope that happens, but I don't. I think Aaron Rodgers
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: is still a good quarterback, and I think they're going
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: to be better than I'll tell you what I liked
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: to beat him by a touchdown in one of the games, and.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: It was a social team's touchdown both of the games.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, both of the games. You've beat them by one score. Yeah.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 5: But what I liked about the email because I've heard
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 5: a lot of that they're going to be better, They're
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 5: going to be better, They're gonna be They're not gonna
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 5: be you know seven, I got the over, and it's
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 5: always that. It's always the Jets that's not gonna work out.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 5: There's still the Jets, Aaron Rodgers. You know, Miami two
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 5: is gonna get hurt. I mean he's always hurt. And
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 5: look at all the squabbles in Buffalo. That's all I
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 5: ever hear. At least this email told me that we
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 5: have what could be a top five defense, a great
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 5: running game, which should be an improved passing game with
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 5: Billy Oh, and he's excited about you know, the rookie kickers.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 5: Like he gave me four factors that you think of
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 5: your team is going to be good. I like that,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 5: Like that's the way you should look at it. It's
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 5: not hope all the other teams fall apart.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: I could no.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 5: But what I'm saying is that's the basis for optimism, Fred,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 5: like I would rather have my to go back to you.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 5: We have to be united behind our quarterback. I want
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 5: to be united behind thinking my team is better than
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 5: you think it is. I think the players on my
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 5: team are better than what Vegas thinks they are.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, not like Aaron ar is forty, he's just gonna
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 5: fall off a cliff.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: Sweet Kid writes in do you guys have faith enough
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: in ushe to take it to the next level? Is
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: he a Batman or a Robin? There is a value
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: in both, but I just wonder, well he always needed
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: Judon around.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: I think he's good. I think he's a real good player.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know he's got some you know, issues
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: of not being the most well rounded player perhaps that
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: we want him to be. But I think he's gonna
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: make a big impact this year. He's fast, he's in
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: his prime. I mean it's just, you know, you get
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: used to watching some of the athletes on this team
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: and their athleticism doesn't really pop, and there's keep using
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: a little pop. But there's a few of them and
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: he's one of them. So I you know, I got
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: to think that he's going to be similarly productive this year,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: and I think even if Judon were to go down,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: I think would still be an effective third down guy.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe not as much, of course, but I think he's
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: a good player. I think he's a good player, and
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: I'd like to see him stick around.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: Let's see. This is Ray from Saint Louis shout out
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: to Evan. I really appreciate your tweets during practice. Since
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: there's no live PU show there, that's really helpful. I
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: have three questions for you all. One, can you name
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: someone that started camp really slow but played a big
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: role in our in in that year. One that comes
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: to mind is Jason McCarthy.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, he did have a slow start too, so somebody
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: thought he was going to make the team.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 6: He was in the game in the fourth quarter of
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 6: the fourth he thought.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 5: He was going to get cut, right, Yeah, I know.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: You gotta tweet him that question, Evan, you some cordy questions.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: You think he was trying to get anybody else that
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: started camp really slow but played a big role later
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: in the year.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: That's a question for for the twin cast for the
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: preseason when you were playing the fourth quarter of the
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: last preseason game. Sorry, I know we were asking for this. Yeah,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: there you go. I digress.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 5: It's good probabouldn't wouldn't necessarily looking for questions. I was
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 5: looking for storylines. I received a grand total of zero suggests.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 6: Well, because I was like, I'm sure you already have
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 6: a lot of them, like to be the big the
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 6: biggest one is like Devin on Gonzales and like what
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 6: it's like to be a rookie corner in this system
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 6: and in that sort of thing like which I'm sure
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 6: you already have.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 5: So I got you on that one, bro. Yeah, I
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: suggested to Matt to and we're gonna go over this
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 5: tomorrow with them, with Jason and Devon. But I like
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 5: to get Devn's thoughts on individual players a that he
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 5: played with a little bit overlapped with, and then specifically you.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: Can ask them about Chase Winovich because he's on the Texas.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 5: Now you know, Gonzales was a guy, you know, obviously,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 5: I'd like to get Devin's thoughts as a former you know,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: both of their thoughts as former rookie cornerbacks.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: You know, what have you seen from him? Although I
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: know that they haven't seen much of practice. That was
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: the only day Chase Winovich. My wife goes to me
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: that she's mentioned like a friend of hers that her.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: She's like, oh, Bobby whatever, friend of her, boyfriend of her,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: got girl she works with. She's he just got a
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: job working for Chase Winovich's company. I'm like, what, like what?
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: What does he have a company here? I think it's
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: like some kind of video Produnce's video.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it used to be in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: Because he loves New Hampshire. I was like, he was
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: here like two years. He didn't really do much. Somehow
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: he's got a production company still based in New England.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, everyone told us how good he was.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: It's like two young guys.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: We had a camera in a micy you know that's
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: just follow me around. Yeah.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 14: Uh.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: Second question of three, who do you think will be
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: our surprise cut?
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: Surprise cut?
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 13: Oh?
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 6: Like surprise cuts.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I just I just I do
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: I I for no other reason. I just wonder about
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: Lawrence guy if like what happened with that contract situation
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: where he's at in his career. They don't really have
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: a player to replace him, so I can't really say
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be him, But you know, it's just he've
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: been kind of running these guys, the veterans up front.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: I just is something going to change this year with that?
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know. No, no signs have told me yes,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: but I don't.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: I don't surprise if they cut Mac, that would be
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: a surprise.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: Fred. Yeah.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 5: The one I threw out before camp started is Adrian Phillips.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 5: I do not think he's getting cut. I don't. I
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 5: still don't, didn't then don't now. I just feel like
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 5: that's a there's a lot of depth that that spot.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 5: He's sort of a veteran guy, some wear and tear.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: I'd almost throw Mills in that conversation. I don't think
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: he's gonna get cut. He's versatile, they've got cornerback depth issues.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: But you know, is he really going to be a
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: factor in that safety group. I mean, it does look
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: like he is going to be. But he's another one
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: that will maybe surprise me, but not totally totally surprised me.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 6: Jalen Mills is the one I would go with, just
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 6: because if either of those rookie corners, Speed or Bolden
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 6: is going to end up being something, and I think
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 6: Joshua Bloedsoe when he gets his opportunities, you know, he
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 6: doesn't look like out of place.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: A couple plays the other day, I think.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 6: But ultimately I think that the Jack Jones situation, you
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 6: gotta keep, you gotta keep Jalen Mills because he might
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 6: have to play outside courts.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 5: I love that question. We get it every year at camp.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 5: I love the surprise, but like I just I feel
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 5: like it is always one of the most misunderstood answers
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 5: that we have. The answer is probably nobody that's really
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 5: gonna take you. Like even Lawrence guy, like you would
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 5: look back and you'd say, well, yeah.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: The fact that we're thinking there could be a reason
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: he wouldn't be that he's.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 5: Many kids, you know, he know he's bitching about his contract,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 5: and they kind of got to you know, like, well,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 5: what's the difference between this guy and that guy?
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like if they if they really going
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: to be David Harris, Kevin Harris, I always call him
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: that would I mean, that would be a surprise.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: But see some of these though, were like that would
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: be stupid, like why would you cut?
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 5: You know, like some of them it's like Taekwon Thornton,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 5: you could say, like, and that just to me doesn't
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 5: make any sense. That's a second, you know, rookie contract.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 5: Second year. They're not cutting, no, no, no, But that's
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 5: that's what would make it a surprise.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: Unless Booty catches another ball today.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 5: And now if Booty can catch one with his foot
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 5: today instead of it just one, you.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: Kind of have to say, I didn't see that coming, right, right,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: and so right, and.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: Just by the nature of the exercise.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 5: And there's almost never like listen, we all do roster
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 5: projections and none of us get all fifty three exactly right, Okay,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 5: but everybody's pretty close. And the guys that ended up
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 5: getting cut, it's usually what you're thinking when you're having
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 5: you know these you know his booty gonna be on
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 5: the practice squad or on the roster. Well they kept
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 5: him this week and then next week it changes or whatever.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 5: It's never like mac Jones got cut. Didn't see that coming.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the one only surprise was cam Like
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 6: that was probably the one only the only one that
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 6: I was last year, I think, didn't they it was
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 6: last year of the year before they initially cut Myles
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 6: Bryant at some point and like that was like the
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 6: surprise cut of the whole thing, And if Miles Brian
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 6: is the surprise cut of your of your cut down.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 5: And with those guys, I would say, like even that
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 5: has got a story behind it, because you know he's
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: coming back. I mean, a guy that they like, you
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 5: just don't see him getting cut and he's gone. They
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 5: just cut him and that's it. He didn't fit.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: I gotta be honest. I screwed around a little bit
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: with Pat's Picker, which is just like an app online
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: that they have the roster all updated and you can
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: make your own fifty three months. I don't find it
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: all that hard this year. There's not a lot of
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: like hard cuts or anything.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 5: I never find it hard, but I mean I'm also
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 5: never right, you know what I mean. But I find
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 5: pretty easy to get down. There's been many times, as
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 5: you know, I get down to fifty one or so, yeah, yeah.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I paid him some guarantee money and I.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 5: Think he's like, yeah, it's a good one.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: Of all the kind of like little special teams things
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: they did this offseason, that feels like the one, you know.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: What, we'd rather keep that extra receiver. We got to
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: make space.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: Now because he can play linebacker two.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 5: And we talked about a lot of like the breakup
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 5: of the breakup of positions on offense. You're a little
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 5: short on tight ends, you're a little short on wide receivers,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 5: You're a little short on running backs. So one of
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 5: those is going to feature more guys staying than you thought.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 5: But there's probably gonna open up some roster spots for
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 5: other guys because think about it. I mean, are you
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 5: gonna kick keep Foster and Socle or Lumpkin to go
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 5: with the other two, or you're gonna keep you know,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 5: is time Montgomery you're going to be part of this team?
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 5: You know, I suppose he could be, even he's been hurt,
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 5: yeah for a week and a half. You know, do
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: you end up keeping all five of those running backs
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 5: like J J.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: Taylor? Does he stay?
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I mean, yeah, someone's got to go.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: Third question, do you think we won't hear anything about
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: Zeke until we see what Dalvin Cook gets?
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I'd like to make a
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: move sooner and later.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think Elliott has anything to do
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 5: with Dalvin Cook. I think Elliott is probably shopping around.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 5: I think he's seeing like the you know, Benjamin Kidd
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 5: from the Saints, who was supposed to step in for
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 5: Alvin Kamara, and now they're supposedly talking to Kareem Hunt. Right,
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 5: maybe Zeke is saying.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: Hey, what else is gonna come? Else?
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 5: Shake loose, someone else gets hurt.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that that's exactly what's happened. I think
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 6: all the running backs are waiting to see if the
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 6: attrition of camp in the preseason, who gets unfortunately, who
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 6: gets hurt? And where does that help out my market?
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 6: Because right now, Dalvin cook his offer from the Jets
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 6: apparently is extremely low, like nowhere.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 5: Close half half of what he was looking for according
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 5: to Fred Toucher.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, really not close to what he expected. And I'm
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 6: sure Zeke's is even less than Dalvin Cooks. So it's
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 6: it's tough sleather.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: Sobo Elliott's only twenty eight, is that true?
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Sounds about right?
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: Boy. A lot of wearing those tires though, right right?
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, well, he carried the ball aton at
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 6: Ohio State also, so you know he's first five years
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 6: from like the last two at Ohio State to the
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 6: first three in Dallas. It's got to be well over
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 6: a thousand carries.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: Hello everyone, Hello Marine Claire. Hello, do you think we
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: can get Soco and Firks or so four tight ends?
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: No, there's no way, Yeah, just kidding.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 6: What I find interesting is, like, dude, well they well,
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 6: they roll the dice of getting those guys back on
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 6: the practice squad with the intention of maybe elevating them
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 6: on game day a couple of times before they officially
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 6: have to make a move to put them on the
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 6: fifty three. Because once you get into a couple weeks
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 6: in the season, somebody ends up on injured reserve and
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 6: now all of a sudden you have a roster spot.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 6: I think it's possible that they just roll the dice
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 6: and they got three guys, and if you want to
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 6: throw Scottie Washington in there too, it is not really
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 6: a tight end, but still four guys that all could
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 6: probably make a case for the third tight end spot.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 6: So might as well just cut all four of them,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 6: and whoever getends up back on the practice squad is
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 6: is your depth?
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: Heartless? Seven? I think so play a ton in the
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: preseason though, too, I think, I mean, I think he
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: has a legit shot just to make the team. Straight up,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: you know, with what they need and his size, and
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: he's had a good camp.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 5: I would say he's been the best on a more
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 5: consistently basis of that group. You know, if you wanted
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 5: to throw ferks are in there, Mike, maybe you sort
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 5: of sell yourself on the fact that he can play
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 5: in the backfield too, you know, like in that the
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 5: role that that Evan talked about earlier. Maybe you save
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 5: a roster spot doing that. You know, I don't know,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 5: I think there are I think it's reasonable to expect
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 5: any of those guys to get cut and you'd be
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 5: able to hold on practice squad.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: I forgot about him.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 6: I do so last year they carried two tight ends,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 6: just Hunter Henry Johnny Smith. But the year before they
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 6: had Yakub, so they carried two tight ends and a
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 6: full back. So I kind of counted as three.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 5: And Soco was on the practice squad all year, right,
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 5: diet I remember, Yeah, And then Scotty Washington was elevating late.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I just wonder, like, who's the little Jordan, Like
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 6: some one of those guys is gonna get like is
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 6: gonna get like the couple game day elevations just for
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 6: a blocking role, whether it's Socle or Ferbster. I think
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 6: are the leaders in that clubhouse, and maybe eventually it
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 6: either doesn't work and gets cut like Little Jordan, or
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 6: they end up signing.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: Him Kevin from Dublin. With each passing month, I'm more
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: convinced that Mac Jones won't have his option picked up
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: by the Patriots. Let's say it is a given that
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: Mac has gone after twenty twenty four. Do you think
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: that the Don shul record chase will make it likely
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: the Patriots will seek out a known quantity and free
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: agency such as will build prioritize having a good team
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: to beat the Shulele record rather than take the risks
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: to win the Lombardi.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 6: So I will say right now that I would I
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 6: would be absolutely floored if they don't pick up his
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 6: fifth year option. Yeah, he would literally he would have
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 6: to completely crater for them to not pick up the
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 6: fifth year option, because it's a.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 5: Good deal and it's team control, like it's just.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: And if you don't pick it up, do you just
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: get rid of him at that point and not play
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: have him played that fifth year because now he's upset.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: The fourth year Daniel Jones thing well, that's the thing,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: is like, look at what happened to look at what
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: happened to the Giants and Daniel Jones exactly where I
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: was going.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 6: They didn't pick up his fifth year option because he's stunk,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 6: fair like fairly they didn't pick it up, but then
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 6: they ended up having to grossly overpay him for his
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 6: fifth season because he had a decent fourth year. Right,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 6: So that's the risk that you run. And if they
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 6: go if Mac has like an okay third season but
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 6: it's nothing special, and then next offseason they actually make
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 6: a move for a receiver or something like that, then
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 6: he has this this really good fourth year. Now you're
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 6: looking at paying him at forty five million dollars in
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 6: his fifth year instead of twenty. So it just that's
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 6: not a good deal financially. It just doesn't make any
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 6: sense unless he's really terrible.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 5: He'd have to be really bad. I agree with Evan.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 5: I would say it's probably somewhere above ninety percent that
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 5: they would pick up the fifth year option. Too good
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 5: of a deal. They're about the deal that's next spring.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and you can trade him on the fifth year
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 6: option too, Like if you end up deciding that he's
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 6: not your guy, but somebody else is intrigued. And it's
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 6: as we keep saying, it's it's a decent deal for
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 6: a starting quarterback. Then he's tradable.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: Dan of Virginia and Michigan shout out to Chris psa
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: Ferrara whenever he has to give us another show update
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: on Facebook because something is changed with the practice schedule.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: I always think of Edelman's words to build Venovich in
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: the twenty fourteen to fifteen as Divisional game about the
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: rest earning their pay with THEMS. So I know, I
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: guess Chris is good about informing the community.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: When there's Vinovich's drinking the water and he looks at Edelman,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: he goes, I see I see no Christ Yeah, I saw.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: I saw that update today. I tried to take to
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: Twitter let people know.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: Dan says, you don't seem to be that enthusiastic about
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: the return of Flowers to the team, which is reasonable
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: given his lack of impact since he left the Patriots.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: Is it possible, though, that he's one of those players
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: who fits best in a particular system and he'll be
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: better with the Patriots, or maybe he'll be the defensive
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: equivalent of a super backup, given his versatility during his
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: last stint on the New England defensive line.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 6: It's gotta be healthy.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: It's healthy.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 5: He was in the same system in Detroit and Miami.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 5: They had Patriots defensive coaches teaching the same kinds of systems.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, he was not good in nineteen with Detroit.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 6: He had the same exact year basically in nineteen in
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 6: Detroit as he had in eighteen with the Patriots. But
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 6: he's made I think he's played in eighteen of fifty
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 6: games over the last three years. So I don't think
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 6: it's about.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: The lower body, upper body. What's his issue.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 6: The last year it was his foot. I think he
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 6: broke a bone in his foot, this weird stuff.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: I think he played like four games. It was the
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: same thing though. I mean because the Patriots had him
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: in last year. I remember they were kicking the tires
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: on him and I didn't feel like he was healthy. Yeah,
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: So according.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: To I Live, do you think they won't be in
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: pads today?
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: Right? I doubt it. I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know why I'm trying to speculate.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 5: They're going to have a walk through tomorrow. So Why
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: wouldn't you be in pads today?
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know. They went pretty hard yesterday, you know
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: they had tackling drills and all that.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but they did that last week too, and they
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 5: have pads two days.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: I would love it. I guess I'm just being a
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: pessimist because I'd love them to be in pats today.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: But I don't.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 5: I don't know the answer, but I wouldn't be stunned
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 5: either way. And well more to watch love it. No,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 5: that was an off air thing, almost put on air.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 5: I don't want to get anybody.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: In trouble, uh, Jamel writes in a huge fan of
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: the broadcast out of New Jersey. My question for the
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: Patriots Nation team is the following, How optimistic are you
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: guys that the Patriots make a late splash trade for
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: position upgrades such as offensive line depth on a scale
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: from one to ten.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 6: One being optimized.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 5: If it's a splash trade, it's not for depth. If
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 5: you're making a splash trade, you're getting like Jonah Williams
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 5: and you're going to start them at tackle someone like that. Right, Yeah,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 5: that's a splash.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 6: I'm assuming ten is like, I'm optimistic that that will
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 6: happen right then, I'm putting it out about a two. Yeah,
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 6: I think Jonah Williams is pretty much the only guy
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 6: that maybe could be starting caliber for you at tackle
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 6: that's available or could be potentially available.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: What do you have to give up? What do you have?
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 13: Like?
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 5: And I think splashes in the eye of the beholder too,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 5: Like I think a lot of people would probably tell
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 5: you that signing Trade Flowers is a splash move, name
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 5: name brand, right, because everybody knows who he is and
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 5: he had success here, right. But my guess is they'll
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 5: add some they'll add more guys, and I wouldn't be surprised, Like,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 5: what do you have to give up for him?
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: Right now?
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 5: He's fighting for a job in Cincinnati, like a mid rock.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 5: Maybe it's one of those you give them a fifth
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 5: rounder and they give you a sixth rounder. You swap
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 5: spots on the fifth and sixth, And I don't think
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 5: it would cost a ton to get a guy.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 6: It'd also be like an incentive based like if he
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 6: actually plays right and doesn't get hurt.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: How many times, too, do we have during cutdown weekend
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: that all of a sudden, you know it's happened a
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: couple of times that they go out and they get
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, there's a guy that wasn't even
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: with them at Camp Thorty, Snap trade.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 5: Claim, a guy off waivers somewhere.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: And that's like the kind of thing with Joona Williams,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: like you were saying, like this is just you're gonna
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: cut him. We just want to make sure we get him.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: So here's like, you know, a conditional seventh if he
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: pays for us, and we'll get him before cutdown day.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: All right, we'll take a quick break and then we'll
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  Speaker 2: All right back here on Patriots Unfiltered, our last segment.
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  Speaker 2: A few more minutes left to go in the show
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: before we head out toward practice. Practice officially starts around one.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: Bill's going against Bill at twelve fifteen.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: I believe it is Bill at twelve.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 5: That'll be on Patriots dot Com.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 6: Out on the field, twelve thirty doesn't hold.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: On, He'll show up at quarter to one anyway.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 5: I don't want to give the wrong information. Yeah, Tuesday, Yes,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 5: Evan is corrected as twelve thirty.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: Two thirty, So that'll be live on Patriots dot Com. Yeah,
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: and then practice will start around one and then we'll
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: see it.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: Seems like every year I forget what the heck the
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: schedule is because it's that weird period in between the
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: game on Thursday night off Friday. It's that Saturday, Sunday
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: Monday kind of void. Assuming they're going to go to.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: Have we found out if the have access after today.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: I have not. Yeah, that's what That's what I was
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: getting at. I'm not sure. Is there a weird portion
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: where they close it to the public, but yes, I
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: have it.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 5: They have done that occasionally in the past. I'm wondering if.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 5: I don't think they did it last year. But I'm
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 5: wondering if because there are still four more open to
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 5: the media and the public in Green Bay and Tennessee,
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 5: like there's no need to do that, right, They could
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 5: just close it up and.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 6: Well, it depends on who you ask, because there there
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 6: are media like guidelines or I wouldn't call them rules
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 6: because they're not really It's not like we have a
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 6: CBA for the media.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: Are you saying if they didn't do that to be
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: local grousing.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 6: There would be there would be grousing. There would be
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 6: there be grousing. Let's leave it at that.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there's going to be grousing. That's what
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 5: they do shirt. But I also would say, you know,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 5: heading into training camp, you know, just looking at other teams,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 5: you know, and they'll say, oh uh, you know, Washington
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 5: announced their open dates for training camp, but eight open
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 5: dates open to the public and the media or twelve
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 5: open dates for this team, you know, ten open dates.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 5: So I don't think that would be sixteen open dates
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 5: to the media counting the four a lot. This is
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 5: today is twelve and there's four more to come. That's
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 5: a lot. Like I don't think that they quote unquote
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 5: would have to do anything right, you know, despite grouse
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 5: I agree with Evan. I think they'll be grouseing.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 6: They don't have to do anything. But I think technically
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 6: we would still be in training camp, and that would
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 6: mean that those practices are supposed to be open to
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 6: the media. Whether or not they actually have to follow
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 6: that or those rules is a totally different desaise.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 5: In along those lines, it is also possible that some
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 5: of these other ones that I just mentioned, that's when
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  Speaker 5: they're closer to the public, and the media for all
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  Speaker 5: I know, was still allowed to go for any of those, right,
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  Speaker 5: you know, So there's a chance I would say that
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  Speaker 5: they're probably not going to practice Friday or Saturday, Sunday
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  Speaker 5: and Monday, you know, before they they're scheduled.
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  Speaker 1: To go to Green Bay on Tuesday. I don't know yet.
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  Speaker 5: I haven't heard, I think, because isn't it Wednesday Thursday?
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  Speaker 5: Nice practices? Yeah, so they'll go on So they'll probably
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  Speaker 5: go on Tuesday. They could even be a practice over
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  Speaker 5: to the media on Tuesday before they go. If they
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  Speaker 5: went and the no one knows when they're going, right, right,
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  Speaker 5: my guess is they would leave at some point on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, I wouldn't be stunned if the media is invited.
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  Speaker 1: To watch a couple more practices.
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  Speaker 5: I hope they do. The the media can go, but
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  Speaker 5: what's limited to you know, Evan good Media. Yeah, the
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  Speaker 5: good Media, the one one per outlet and get into
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  Speaker 5: regular season mode.
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  Speaker 6: That's the dream.
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  Speaker 2: Reduce and Evan will be out there in Green Bay
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  Speaker 2: for the joints. We don't know what time the practices
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  Speaker 2: will be, but at some point one of you will
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  Speaker 2: call in and give us an update, either before, you know,
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  Speaker 2: after practice or during practice if the show go insides.
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  Speaker 5: Like next a week from Thursday, right, you guys will
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  Speaker 5: be on the practice field.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so they've been practicing at ten thirty in
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  Speaker 1: the morning, which will be eleven eleven thirty here, so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we could We could probably call in like at the
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  Speaker 1: end of after practice.
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  Speaker 5: So that'd be great. We'll have live updates. Fred and
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  Speaker 5: I will anchor the coverage here from Foxborough.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Nice, it's Wolf Blitzer anchored the coverage. Yeah, I'm excited.
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  Speaker 1: It's I've never been to Green Bay, so it'll.
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  Speaker 5: Be Green Bay cool. Like the whole Lambeau experience is cool.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's cool. The rest of Green Bay is well, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: it's a cow town. But did Lambeau Going to Lamba
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  Speaker 6: for the first time last year was a bucket list
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  Speaker 6: for sure?
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Well listen, we're going to wrap up the
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  Speaker 2: show a little early. We've all got a lot of
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  Speaker 2: work to do today, so thanks for listening, calling, emailing.
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  Speaker 2: Remember Thursday, no PU, but there is our first pregame
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  Speaker 2: at two with Evan and alex.
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  Speaker 5: So preseason open or otherwise known as the Paul Perillo Show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, forget about that.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk. We'll talk on Thursday.
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