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The Kenny Report | 11 September · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 2: The horrific political assassination in the US and its lessons
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Speaker 2: for our polarized politics in Australia. Across to Kristen Tate
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Speaker 2: in the US and Alexander Downer in London. What next
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Speaker 2: for Opposition leader Susan Lee after she dumped Senator Jacenter Nampa, jimper.
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Speaker 1: Price, Are you ok? Day?
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Speaker 2: Footy Finals with Robbo and Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson
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Speaker 2: on Tim Flannery's climate forecasts.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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Speaker 2: The assassination of US political influencer Charlie Kirkin Utah early
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Speaker 2: today our time has clear relevance here in Australia.
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Speaker 1: It is yet.
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Speaker 2: Another example of rising political violence in the US and
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Speaker 2: a warning to Australia about increasingly polarized and hateful political debate.
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Speaker 2: Tens of millions of Americans are shocked, devastated, and even
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Speaker 2: frightened after kirk, a thirty one year old podcaster and
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Speaker 2: college campus campaigner who supported the policies and values of
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump and the MAGA movement, was killed by a
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Speaker 2: single bullet to the neck while speaking to thousands of
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Speaker 2: students at the Utah Valley University. This clip spares you
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Speaker 2: the worst of it, but a warning it is confronting hunting.
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Speaker 3: Oh my god.
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Speaker 2: Kirk was married with two young children. He was a
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Speaker 2: warrior for free speech and relished taking his conservative views
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Speaker 2: to campuses where he could freely debate the liberal left.
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Speaker 2: Kirk was reviving the true essence of universities, which are
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Speaker 2: supposed to be lively sent for the contest of ideas.
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Speaker 2: But on this campus he was murdered, presumably by someone
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Speaker 2: who disagrees with his views.
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Speaker 4: Charlie inspired millions in to nate. All who knew him
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Speaker 4: and loved him are unated and shark and horror. Charlie
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Speaker 4: was a patriot who devoted his slafe to the cause
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Speaker 4: of open debate and the country that he loved so much,
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Speaker 4: the United States of America.
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Speaker 2: The assassin is believed to have fired from a rooftop
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Speaker 2: almost two hundred meters from the stage, and police in Utah.
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Speaker 1: Are still searching for him.
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Speaker 2: The state's Republican governor was mindful of the political divisions,
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Speaker 2: appealing for unity and decency.
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Speaker 1: If anyone in the sound of my voice.
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Speaker 5: Celebrated even a little bit at the news of the shooting.
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Speaker 5: I would beg you to look in the mirror and
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Speaker 5: to see if you can find a better angel in
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Speaker 5: there somewhere. I don't care what his politics are. I
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Speaker 5: care that he was an American.
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Speaker 2: But the governor might as well whistle in the wind.
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Speaker 2: Because hatred and celebrations flooded social media, as Sky News
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Speaker 2: Media report host Jack Houghton highlighted.
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Speaker 6: Pretons who delight in misery and openly wish death on
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Speaker 6: those who have different political views.
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Speaker 7: I'm not saying she deserved it did, but I'm saying
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Speaker 7: Guy's timing.
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Speaker 3: Is always right.
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Speaker 2: Even on a media network MSNBC, we heard that Kirk
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Speaker 2: effectively had it coming.
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Speaker 8: He's been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger
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Speaker 8: figures in this who is constantly sort of pushing this
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Speaker 8: sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups.
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Speaker 8: I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to hateful words,
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Speaker 8: which then lead to hateful actions. And I think that's
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Speaker 8: the environment we're in that people just you can't stop
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Speaker 8: with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then
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Speaker 8: saying these awful words and not expect awful actions to
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Speaker 8: take place.
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Speaker 2: No, no, no words should not be met with violence. Ever,
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Speaker 2: the network apologized, but it's too late. The comments provided
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Speaker 2: a window to the soul, didn't I. Besides, Kirk did
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Speaker 2: not spread hate. His views were staunchly conservative, but he
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Speaker 2: was all about respectfully debating ideas people.
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Speaker 9: I go around universities and how challenging conversations, and I'm
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Speaker 9: sure because that's what is so important to our country
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Speaker 9: is to find our disagreements respectfully, because when people stop talking,
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Speaker 9: that's when violence happens.
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Speaker 2: This young man, who never graduated from college himself tackled
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Speaker 2: tough subjects that others might avoid.
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Speaker 9: So I do not have hate for a group. I
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Speaker 9: do not have hate for a people.
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Speaker 7: I sat just so I can get it on my
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Speaker 7: camera so they.
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Speaker 1: Don't worry out plenty of cameras. But yet, But yes, so.
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Speaker 5: You do not hate the LGBT community.
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Speaker 10: A turning point is not against LGBT.
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Speaker 9: How could I hate that which I have a heart for,
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Speaker 9: thank you? And I might not agree that for some
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Speaker 9: of the lifestyle choices that some people make, but of
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Speaker 9: course not. And if someone said, Charlie, what's your view
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Speaker 9: on marriage? I say, I believe marriage has been one
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Speaker 9: man and one woman. But if you ask me what
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Speaker 9: do I do. I have hate in my heart for
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Speaker 9: somebody that doesn't, that doesn't choose the lifestyle that I
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Speaker 9: believe that God laid out in the scriptures.
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Speaker 1: Of course not.
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Speaker 9: The question is is macro Islam compatible with Western values? Macro?
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Speaker 1: Of course it's not.
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Speaker 9: There are three major major reasons why Islam does not
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Speaker 9: believe in freedom and speech. Islam does not believe in
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Speaker 9: freedom or religion, and Islam does not believe in separation
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Speaker 9: of mosqu and state. Those three things are antithetical to
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Speaker 9: the West.
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Speaker 2: And Cook didn't snob, He'd make his point Feist to feis.
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Speaker 11: I was born as a man and now I'm a woman.
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Speaker 9: Okay, No, but you don't become a woman just because
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Speaker 9: you dress like a woman. So let me ask you
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Speaker 9: a question. If I wear a disguise or a costume,
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Speaker 9: do I become that thing? For example, if I dress
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Speaker 9: with a sombrero and start talking to the Mexican accent,
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Speaker 9: do I then become that culture?
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Speaker 11: No? No, because that's different race.
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Speaker 9: Okay, how is it different? Because you're saying that if
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Speaker 9: you dress a certain way and you present a certain way,
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Speaker 9: you can be as you think you are. Why can't
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Speaker 9: I also just choose what culture I.
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Speaker 1: Am, because you are born within a culture.
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Speaker 8: You're born with, but you were born as a man.
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Speaker 2: In these times of polarized politics and polarized media, there's
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Speaker 2: too much cancelation and abuse and not enough open debate.
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Speaker 2: And another warning, I'm about to reference some more horrible
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Speaker 2: vision because in recent days, Kirk had been leading the
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Speaker 2: debate about the shocking murder of a twenty three year
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Speaker 2: old Ukrainian refugee, Irena Zurutzka. She was stabbed to death
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Speaker 2: on a train in Charlotte, North Carolina, by a man
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Speaker 2: with fourteen previous convictions.
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Speaker 9: Here is the tweet that I set out. Quote. If
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Speaker 9: a random white person simply walked up to and stabbed
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Speaker 9: a nice, law abating black person for no reason, it
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Speaker 9: would be an apocalyptically huge national story used to impost national,
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Speaker 9: sweeping political changes on the whole country. Of course, this
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Speaker 9: is true. Everybody know this is true. Our media thirsts
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Speaker 9: for stories like this. I want you to imagine if
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Speaker 9: a white guy sitting on a bus and a black
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Speaker 9: woman just on her phone. All of a sudden, the
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Speaker 9: white guy took out a knife and just stabbed her
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Speaker 9: in the neck repeatedly, how do you think our media
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Speaker 9: would react? We would have protest. And by the way,
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Speaker 9: I did not bring up race. The attacker said, quote,
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Speaker 9: I got that white girl. End quote. People say, what
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Speaker 9: does the race matter? Oh, it matters because you made
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Speaker 9: us care about race in the summer twenty twenty.
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Speaker 2: These are tough to bites, but we have to have them,
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Speaker 2: a point. The President expanded on.
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Speaker 4: On campuses nationwide. He championed his ideas with courage, logic, humor,
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Speaker 4: and grace.
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Speaker 1: It's a long past.
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Speaker 4: Time for all Americans and the media to confront the
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Speaker 4: fact that violence and murder are the tragic consequence of
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Speaker 4: demonizing those with whom you disagree day after day, year
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Speaker 4: after year, in the most hateful and despicable way possible.
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Speaker 4: For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful
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Speaker 4: Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst murderers
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Speaker 4: and criminals. This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for
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Speaker 4: the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today, and
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Speaker 4: it must stop right now.
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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk also supported the Second Amendment right to bear arms.
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Speaker 2: In this clip, he warns about the costs of this
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Speaker 2: right and He couldn't have known that he too would
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Speaker 2: become part of that price.
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Speaker 9: We should have an honest and clear reductionist view of
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Speaker 9: gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one.
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Speaker 9: You will never live in a society when you've an
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Speaker 9: armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death.
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Speaker 9: That is nonsense.
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Speaker 3: It's drivel.
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Speaker 1: But I think it's I think.
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Speaker 9: It's worth it. I think it's worth to have a
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Speaker 9: cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so
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Speaker 9: that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our
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Speaker 9: other God given rights.
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Speaker 3: That is a prudent deal.
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Speaker 1: It is rational. Now we all know the g control
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Speaker 1: will not flow from this death. It never does.
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Speaker 2: What can and does need to change is the resort
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Speaker 2: to political violence. This is not new to America, but
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Speaker 2: it has been on the rise over the past decade.
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Speaker 2: In just twenty twenty two, howse speaker Nancy Pelosi's husband
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Speaker 2: was attacked with a hammer in a home invasion. A
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Speaker 2: year ago, it would be assassin clips Donald Trump's ear
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Speaker 2: with a bullet and killed one man injuring others. Two
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Speaker 2: months later, another assassination attempt was thwarted at Trump's Palm
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Speaker 2: Beach golf club. Then in December last year, Brian Thompson,
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Speaker 2: the CEO of a health insurance company, was shot dead
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Speaker 2: in Manhattan. And in May this year, two young Israelis
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Speaker 2: was shot dead outside the Jewish Museum in Washington, DC,
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Speaker 2: And just three months ago, a Democrat state politician in
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Speaker 2: Minnesota was shot dead along with her husband.
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Speaker 1: This is a terrorrible.
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Speaker 2: Dilemma for the US, and it's a crucial warning for US.
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Speaker 2: Over the past year, we've seen synagogues, cars and businesses firebombed, homes,
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Speaker 2: schools and shops daubed in hateful graffiti, terrorist attacks, celebrated,
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Speaker 2: terrorist leaders lionized, and the symbols of terrorist organizations flaunted.
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Speaker 2: Free speech means hearing what we don't want to hear,
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Speaker 2: but where we must draw the line is incitement to violence.
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Speaker 2: Yet we constantly hear chants for the elimination of Israel,
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Speaker 2: death to the IDF, and for terrorist uprisings or into fada.
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Speaker 2: Yet authorities do nothing and politicians stand idly by.
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Speaker 1: We need to clamp down on the incitement to violence,
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Speaker 1: and we need to reanimate the public square.
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Speaker 2: We need to get opposing views together to debate ideas,
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Speaker 2: rather than have them squaring off from a distance, demonizing
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Speaker 2: each other. That's why I constantly ask Labor and Green's
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Speaker 2: politicians onto this program to debate a wide range of issues.
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Speaker 1: The invitation stands, it's never accepted.
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Speaker 2: The best way to both honor Charlie Kirk and guard
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Speaker 2: against the violence that killed him is to have an
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Speaker 2: open contest of ideas where words are the only weapons.
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Speaker 2: I want to mention that today is the eleventh of September,
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Speaker 2: or nine to eleven as the Americans call it. It
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Speaker 2: is twenty four years now since those terrorist attacks that
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Speaker 2: change the world, that told us history had not in
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Speaker 2: fact ended, and that there was indeed a clash of civilizations.
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Speaker 1: We have failed to learn the right lessons. Too.
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Speaker 2: Many of us failed to comprehend what Islamist extremism is
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Speaker 2: all about and what a threat it can be. It's
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Speaker 2: hard for us to comprehend a death cult and the
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Speaker 2: price its adherents are willing to pay in the name
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Speaker 2: of their hatred, but we need to. The US eventually
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Speaker 2: got Osama bin Laden, of course, but along with allies
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Speaker 2: like Australia, it failed to stay the course to cement
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Speaker 2: freedom and democracy in Afghanistan. Instead, power was handed back
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Speaker 2: to the Taliban extremists. Girls no longer go to school there,
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Speaker 2: extremism reigns and will likely pay a price again sometime
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Speaker 2: down the track. The front line against Islamist extremism now
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Speaker 2: is in Gaza. But while Israel tries to eliminate the
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Speaker 2: mortal threat of Hummas, too much of the world's polity
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Speaker 2: and media falls for and regurgitates Hummus propaganda and demonizes Israel.
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Speaker 2: You can't compromise with Islamist extremism. You need to defeat
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Speaker 2: it to protect Western civilization and so that the Muslim
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Speaker 2: populations menaced menaced by the extremists can have the chance
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Speaker 2: of a modern and moderate future with the opportunity for
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Speaker 2: freedom and prosperity.
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Speaker 1: I told you last night that.
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Speaker 2: The Liberals were in a shambles after Senator Justinto Namberjimba
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Speaker 2: Price failed to back her leader, Susan Lee. I said
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Speaker 2: this was ominous and you should stay tuned. An hour
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Speaker 2: or so later you saw live here on Sky Lee
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Speaker 2: had sacked Namberjimba Price.
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Speaker 1: She had to.
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Speaker 2: No opposition leader can have people in the shadow cabinet
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Speaker 2: who do not provide full support. In fact, any shadow
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Speaker 2: minister who can't support their leader.
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Speaker 1: Needs to resign.
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Speaker 2: So for those slamming Lee or even attacking those of
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Speaker 2: us who pointed out now b Jibber Price's errors, you
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Speaker 2: just need to cool your jets. The senator gave her
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Speaker 2: leader no other option. Now, I've got to say this
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Speaker 2: was so obvious that I thought for a while there
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Speaker 2: that this must have been a deliberate ploy by Namberjibba
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Speaker 2: Price to get sacked and go to the backbench and
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Speaker 2: perhaps start a revolt against the leader. But after talking
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Speaker 2: to many MPs today, I'm pretty certain that's not the case.
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Speaker 2: This was just poor judgment by the Senator. She had
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Speaker 2: stubbornly refused to apologize for the way she'd demeaned the
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Speaker 2: Indian community all week. That was an ongoing mistake, but
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Speaker 2: the failure to back the leader brought it all to
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Speaker 2: a head, and Lee is now trying to do repairs
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Speaker 2: on the run.
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Speaker 12: May I take this opportunity as leader of the Liberal
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Speaker 12: Party to apologize to all Indian Australians and indeed others
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Speaker 12: who were hurt and distressed by the comments that were made,
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Speaker 12: comments that I said at the time should not have
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Speaker 12: been made.
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Speaker 2: But what does this episode mean for the future? Well,
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Speaker 2: it has further weakened Lee's position. She just didn't show
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Speaker 2: enough leadership to sort out this episode firmly and early.
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Speaker 1: It also means.
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Speaker 2: Namba Jimper Price will be a lightning rod for dissent
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Speaker 2: on the back bench and she'll be free to speak
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Speaker 2: out more broadly.
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Speaker 1: She'll be back and she's bound.
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Speaker 2: To be part of any leadership challenge from the Conservatives
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Speaker 2: when it comes. But there's no sign this is going
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Speaker 2: to happen anytime soon. Who'd want the job now? But
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Speaker 2: for Lee this should be a timely jump start. She
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Speaker 2: needs to get moving, letting the opposition and there's a
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Speaker 2: bit like riding a bike. You need to be moving
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Speaker 2: forward or you'll topple over. Lee needs to stop dilly
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Speaker 2: dallying and fight on liberal values against the bad government.
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Speaker 2: The country needs a strong opposition and at the moment
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Speaker 2: Anthony Alberizi seems to have no opposition at all. Let's
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Speaker 2: go to the shadow Health Minister Anne Rustin, who joins
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Speaker 2: us live from Adelaide.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, and.
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Speaker 2: You must be disappointed to lose. Just send a nownber
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Speaker 2: jimper Price. But do you think that Susan Lee had
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Speaker 2: any other option?
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Speaker 13: Well, no, as you right, they point out, Chris, you
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Speaker 13: know every leader has the right to expect that their
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Speaker 13: shadow ministry supports them, and just sent his failure to
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Speaker 13: make a commitment to that yesterday on several occasions, left
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Speaker 13: Susan with no option apart from to seek for her
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Speaker 13: to move to the back bench. But I think you know,
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Speaker 13: just sto all can continue to make a contribution to
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Speaker 13: our party from the back bench because I think you
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Speaker 13: know our parties are party. Doesn't matter what position you're
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Speaker 13: holding the party, there's an opportunity for you to contribute.
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Speaker 2: Do you think that she'd been mistreated by being given
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Speaker 2: a portfolio that seemed completely irrelevant to her? Is about
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Speaker 2: to defense material and the like.
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Speaker 13: Look, I think we all serve at the opportunity and
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Speaker 13: the pest of the leader and the positions that we've given.
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Speaker 13: And I've been given some portfolios in my time that
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Speaker 13: I've had very little background or experience in, but it's
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Speaker 13: been a wonderful opportunity to learn and to put your
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Speaker 13: skills in more general skills to the test and making
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Speaker 13: sure that you can improve to your colleagues that you're
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Speaker 13: capable of handling any portfolio. So look, as I said,
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Speaker 13: I'm sure just to will continue to make a very
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Speaker 13: significant contribution to our party, but for the time being
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Speaker 13: that will be on the backbench.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And she's obviously from the conservative side of the party,
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Speaker 2: so she'll be seen as lightning rod for people who
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Speaker 2: oppose Susan Lee, or people who want to support a
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Speaker 2: conservative leader rather than a moderate leader. These sorts of
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Speaker 2: things often in the medium turn lead to leadership ructions.
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Speaker 1: That was put to Susan Lee today. Have a look, if.
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Speaker 14: Your leadership under threat because of how.
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Speaker 12: This has been handled, absolutely not.
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Speaker 2: Do you think that Susan Lee will inevitably face a
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Speaker 2: challenge sometime between now and the next election.
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Speaker 13: Look, as I'm sitting here today, I am absolutely confident
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Speaker 13: and I know the overwhelming majority of the party room
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Speaker 13: and every single person that sits in in our shadow
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Speaker 13: ministry supports Susan and supports her leadership. And I can
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Speaker 13: give you a one hundred percent commitment that that goes
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Speaker 13: for me too. And I think Susan will lead us
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Speaker 13: to the next election. I think she has shown so far,
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Speaker 13: you know, great strength in leadership. It's a very tough
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Speaker 13: time for our party at the moment. Chris I mean,
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Speaker 13: we got absolutely smashed in May and Susan took over
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Speaker 13: the reins at a time when you know it could
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Speaker 13: be more difficult to take over, and I think she's
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Speaker 13: doing a great job, and let me jump in there.
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Speaker 13: We've got to do is we've got to move on
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Speaker 13: and start.
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Speaker 2: Let me just jump in there, because this is the point.
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Speaker 2: To move forward and to start to recover, you need
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Speaker 2: to be attacking the government and providing an alternative.
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Speaker 1: And when you're just having a review about everything, it
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Speaker 1: stops you doing that.
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Speaker 2: You need to take some firm positions and start prosecuting them,
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Speaker 2: don't you.
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Speaker 13: Well, look, I think last week we had a really
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Speaker 13: great week in the Parliament. You know, in my area
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Speaker 13: of age care, we managed to force the government to
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Speaker 13: actually completely capitulate on a position that they'd been holding
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Speaker 13: for some months. So I think we proved our capability
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Speaker 13: by working with the cross bench in the Greens to
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Speaker 13: hold the government to account and get a great result
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Speaker 13: for older Australians who are waiting for home care packages.
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Speaker 13: When the government we shone the light on the fact
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Speaker 13: their lack of transparency, charging people to get freedom and
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Speaker 13: information requests about really basic things. So I think there
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Speaker 13: is a balance between understanding we were catastrophically at the
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Speaker 13: election and we need to have a complete relook because
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Speaker 13: the product we took to the Australian public in May,
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Speaker 13: the public didn't buy. So we either had the wrong
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Speaker 13: product or the wrong marketing or a combination of the
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Speaker 13: two and we need to get that right. So I
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Speaker 13: think to review that is absolutely right. But we haven't
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Speaker 13: been just reviewing. We have been working very hard and
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Speaker 13: just gave you an example of where I've been working
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Speaker 13: really hard in my portfolio area.
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Speaker 2: Good thanks for joining us and I appreciate it. Senator
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Speaker 2: Anne Rustin, their Liberal senator for South Australia and shadow
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Speaker 2: Health Minister. Let's go to another South Australia now, though
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Speaker 2: he's in London, and that is the nation's the longest
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Speaker 2: serving foreign minister, Alexander Downer.
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Speaker 1: Alexander, thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 2: You've been spending a lot of time in the US
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Speaker 2: of late, of course, and I'm pretty keen to get
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Speaker 2: your thoughts on this shocking political political assassination in Utah today.
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Speaker 1: Well, you've put it very well.
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Speaker 11: I mean, it's absolutely shocking and it does demonstrate that
21:54
Speaker 11: amongst minority of Americans there is complete intolerance, the descent
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Speaker 11: from their preferred point of view. And it's terribly worrying
22:06
Speaker 11: because what this does demonstrate is through the Western world,
22:10
Speaker 11: whilst people wouldn't of course resort to assassinations, there is
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Speaker 11: a trend towards greater intolerance of different points of view.
22:21
Speaker 11: You know, as my mother would have said, it takes
22:24
Speaker 11: all sorts to make a world, and it would be
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Speaker 11: a very boring world if we all agree with each other.
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Speaker 11: It's interesting to have debates, it's productive to have the
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Speaker 11: debate debates, and this sort of breathless shouting down of
22:38
Speaker 11: people who disagree with you, abusing them of you know,
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Speaker 11: homophobia and racism, misogyny, so the list goes on. I mean,
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Speaker 11: I think that's got to stop. People should learn to
22:51
Speaker 11: debate issues on their merits and move away from the
22:56
Speaker 11: last resort of a failed argument, which is personal abuse.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what's so tragic about this situation.
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Speaker 2: I hadn't known much about Charlie Kirk frankly before today,
23:07
Speaker 2: but I've looked at a lot of stuff over the
23:08
Speaker 2: past twelve hours or so, and while there's some of
23:11
Speaker 2: his political positions I would disagree with what I liked
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Speaker 2: about it was he was always willing to go on
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Speaker 2: to university campuses and elsewhere and debate issues face to
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Speaker 2: face with his opponents. I mean, that's the way to
23:23
Speaker 2: deal with these things, surely well.
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Speaker 11: And the other thing is people have got I mean
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Speaker 11: I would say this to people watching this program. Listen
23:32
Speaker 11: to the other side of the argument. Some people don't
23:35
Speaker 11: agree with you, some people don't agree with me, but
23:38
Speaker 11: give the other side of the argument some clear air.
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Speaker 11: Let's think about why people disagree with us. Do not
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Speaker 11: just intolerantly shout them down.
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Speaker 2: That's why I listened to ABC Radio National every morning. Alexander,
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Speaker 2: I'm still in the habit of doing that. Just briefly,
23:55
Speaker 2: I've got to get your thoughts too on our own
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Speaker 2: Australian government's reaction to events in the Middle East.
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Speaker 1: I was disgusted that.
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi and Penny Wong virtually ignored the terrorist attack
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Speaker 2: in Jerusalem that killed six people, but couldn't get out
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Speaker 2: there quickly enough to condemn Israel over attacking terrorist leaders
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Speaker 2: in Doha.
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Speaker 11: Your thoughts, let me just shows you how completely biased
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Speaker 11: the government is. They are playing politics with this issue,
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Speaker 11: tragic issue of the Middle East instead of trying to
24:29
Speaker 11: make an intellectually sound contribution to the debate. I mean,
24:34
Speaker 11: the killing of these six Israelis in Jerusalem seems to
24:40
Speaker 11: have triggered the timing of the attack on the Hamas
24:43
Speaker 11: leadership in Katar. I mean, Kata has to accept if
24:49
Speaker 11: they're going to provide sanctuary for terrorists who are attacking
24:54
Speaker 11: and trying to destroy Israel, then unfortunately those people in
24:59
Speaker 11: their are fair targets for the Israelis, not of course
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Speaker 11: attacking Katar itself, They're attacking Hamas in Katar and Hammas.
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Speaker 11: All of pressure from Australian and Western governments should be
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Speaker 11: on Hammas to release the hostages and end the war,
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Speaker 11: but no people like to attack the Jews.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Alexander. I appreciate it. He is
25:28
Speaker 2: spot on, the Alexander down of the pressure should be
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Speaker 2: on Hummus, not Israel. Hummas continues to extend this war
25:35
Speaker 2: and the trauma of the Palestinian people got to take
25:38
Speaker 2: a break.
25:38
Speaker 1: On the other side, I'm going to catch up.
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Speaker 2: With child an adolescent psychologist clear Row on Are You Okay?
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Speaker 1: Day? Today, as you may know, is are You Okay Day?
25:51
Speaker 2: A national day of action encouraging everyone to start a
25:53
Speaker 2: conversation with family mates and colleagues who might be struggling
25:57
Speaker 2: with their mental health. Let's bring in child lesson psychologists.
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Speaker 1: Clear Row, good to talk to you again. Clear, I
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Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on this. We all know
26:06
Speaker 1: we should be checking in on people.
26:08
Speaker 2: We were constantly reminded to check in on our own
26:10
Speaker 2: and other people's mental health. And there's this issue that
26:15
Speaker 2: always troubles me, especially when we start talking about self
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Speaker 2: harm and suicide. We're always talking about the issues impacting
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Speaker 2: on people.
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Speaker 1: Do we need to put.
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Speaker 2: More emphasis on resilience, on telling people that these forms
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Speaker 2: of self harm are never acceptable, never advisable, there's always
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Speaker 2: a way through.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I certainly think we do, particularly with children and
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Speaker 14: young people. Look, I think are You Okay Day is
26:44
Speaker 14: a great initiative. I think it's a nicer reminder for
26:47
Speaker 14: us to check in with people. Sure, but as long
26:49
Speaker 14: as we are willing to check in with them tomorrow,
26:51
Speaker 14: next week, next month as well. And you're right, I
26:55
Speaker 14: mean when we talk about the language around mental health,
26:59
Speaker 14: that good is have we kind of equipped people with
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Speaker 14: a very clinical language, So instead of someone saying, you know,
27:06
Speaker 14: I'm a bit worried. I'm a bit stressed, I'm a
27:08
Speaker 14: bit sad. They'll say, I'm anxious, I'm depressed, and so
27:13
Speaker 14: it's very hard. We're kind of blurring those lines. And
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Speaker 14: I think, certainly with young people and kids, you know,
27:19
Speaker 14: a really great message right from the get go is
27:22
Speaker 14: to teach kids that they can do hard things and
27:26
Speaker 14: get to the other side, right, that they can cope,
27:28
Speaker 14: that they are capable, and parents, you know, number one
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Speaker 14: question I get asked is how do I build a
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Speaker 14: resilient kit? And the answer is, resilience has not built
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Speaker 14: in a therapy room. It's actually built through life experiences
27:39
Speaker 14: of going through tough times and coming out the other end.
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Speaker 1: I must have been.
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Speaker 2: I sometimes get worried by some of the media conversation
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Speaker 2: around horrible incidents that are a result of bullying, for instance,
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Speaker 2: and they blame it on the bullying.
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Speaker 1: Now, of course, bullying is bad, we've got to stamp it.
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Speaker 2: Out, but we've also got to teach people that you
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Speaker 2: never cave into it, that you just you've got you've
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Speaker 2: got to be.
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Speaker 1: Resilient to withstand bullying and soldier on.
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Speaker 14: Surely, yeah, that's true, and I think the difficulty is
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Speaker 14: if we kind of water down the language and we
28:11
Speaker 14: apply kind of terms like bullying or anxiety to everyone,
28:14
Speaker 14: that it loses all, meaning it doesn't really exist anymore.
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Speaker 14: And so yeah, we've got to teach kids that if
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Speaker 14: someone calls you an idiot in the playground, that's not bullying.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 14: Bullying is targeted, relentless, you know, over a period of
28:27
Speaker 14: time is treatment. And so kids kind of get this
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Speaker 14: language and they start saying I'm being bullied, and you're right,
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Speaker 14: we need a chew pronged attack. Absolutely, we need to
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Speaker 14: crack down on bullying and I talk about that a lot,
28:37
Speaker 14: but we also need to teach resilience and coping skills
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Speaker 14: to kids to say, right, that was an awful time
28:43
Speaker 14: we went through, but we can get through it. We're
28:45
Speaker 14: going to be okay, and we can bounce back from this.
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Speaker 2: I just want to go to the events in the
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Speaker 2: US overnight as well, because it's not too much of
28:54
Speaker 2: a leap. But I know you say this is very important,
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Speaker 2: and that is everybody needs from a young age. You
28:59
Speaker 2: need to understand and that we can have respectful disagreement.
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Speaker 14: One percent I've written about this today, Chris, is that
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Speaker 14: kids need people like Charlie Kirk. Kids need to be
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Speaker 14: taught how to disagree with each other, disagree vehemently, passionately,
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Speaker 14: with intelligence to back up your argument, like Alexander Danna
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Speaker 14: was saying, to listen to the other side with curiosity
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Speaker 14: and then from standing up from the debate and walking
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Speaker 14: away with respect. And the absolute deep irony and shocking
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Speaker 14: nature of this is that this was a man who
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Speaker 14: was reaching out to the other side and wanted to
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Speaker 14: use his words rather than violence.
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Speaker 2: Spot on, Claire, Thanks so much for joining us, Claire again,
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Speaker 2: and look out for that article on Sky News website
29:45
Speaker 2: and elsewhere.
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Speaker 1: Now we're going to get to a break on the
29:47
Speaker 1: other side.
29:47
Speaker 2: I'm going to have more on this horrible assassination of
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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk and the US ill cross to Christen Tate.
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Speaker 2: Let's get back to the top story and the assassination
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Speaker 2: of you US political influencer Charlie Kirk is another example
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Speaker 2: of rising political violence in the US and a warning
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Speaker 2: to Australia about increasingly polarized and hateful political debate. Kirk
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Speaker 2: was a dad of two, a podcaster, a campaigner for
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Speaker 2: the MAGA movement, and a free speech activist who took
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Speaker 2: the time to debate issues with opponents. I caught up
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Speaker 2: with US analyst Christi Kristen Tate earlier.
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Speaker 1: Kristin, thanks for joining us first up.
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Speaker 2: I wanted to offer my sympathy because Charlie Kirk is
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Speaker 2: someone you knew as a friend. So I wonder if
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Speaker 2: you could, first off, tell us a little bit about
30:40
Speaker 2: your friendship with Charlie Kirk and what a significant figure
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Speaker 2: he became at a young age in American politics.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 10: I first met Charlie and Dallas back in twenty thirteen.
30:54
Speaker 10: I arrived in Dallas at a conference as a bright
30:57
Speaker 10: eyed college student. Obama had just been re elected presidents,
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Speaker 10: so most young people in the country were very left wing,
31:05
Speaker 10: and I met Charlie at that conference. He was maybe
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Speaker 10: nineteen years old at the time. Chris, and I have
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Speaker 10: to tell you, I have never encountered a young person
31:15
Speaker 10: to this day with that kind of passion that Charlie had.
31:19
Speaker 10: And you know, of course he went on to become
31:22
Speaker 10: this force in American politics. It was incredible to watch
31:27
Speaker 10: his career. You can't be in this industry and not
31:31
Speaker 10: you know, know, Charlie Kirkin. He's one of those rare
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Speaker 10: people that everyone in the conservative media space likes. You know,
31:38
Speaker 10: with most people, you find some people who have grapes
31:40
Speaker 10: with them, or have issues or don't like them. Not Charlie.
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Speaker 10: He was pretty much universally liked. He was a decent, moral,
31:47
Speaker 10: good person. He was the voice of a generation, and
31:50
Speaker 10: many people in our industry thought, this is a kid
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Speaker 10: who someday will be president. He was the leader of
31:58
Speaker 10: the conservative movement for our generation. He was tall, he
32:01
Speaker 10: was a great speaker, he was attractive, he was persuasive,
32:05
Speaker 10: and he has changed countless young hearts and minds. We're
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Speaker 10: a country in mourning right now. Conservatism will never be
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Speaker 10: the same. American politics will not be the same with
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Speaker 10: Al Charlie Kirk. God rest his soul, and God bless
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Speaker 10: his family. He leaves behind two young children and a
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Speaker 10: lovely wife.
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Speaker 2: Let's die on his legacy for a moment, and here
32:24
Speaker 2: what the president had to sidy about that.
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Speaker 4: An assassin tried to silence him with a bullet, but
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Speaker 4: he failed, because together we will ensure that his voice,
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Speaker 4: his message, and his legacy will live on for countless
32:37
Speaker 4: generations to come. Today, because of this heinous act, Charlie's
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Speaker 4: voice has become bigger and grander than ever before. And
32:47
Speaker 4: it's not even close.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a positive Tyko suppose on a tragic situation.
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Speaker 1: I think it's right what you say, Christian.
32:56
Speaker 2: A lot of people suggest this is a blog who
32:58
Speaker 2: could have ended up being president and tragedy.
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Speaker 1: We will never know. But it's also another instance of
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Speaker 1: political violence in the United States.
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Speaker 2: Now that's not you We know the US has a
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Speaker 2: long history of political violence, but there's been a wave
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Speaker 2: of it in the last decade or so. People are
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Speaker 2: talking about it feeling like a tsunami. There must be
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Speaker 2: incredible concerns about political violence in the US, and particularly
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Speaker 2: that from the left.
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Speaker 1: Directed at the right.
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Speaker 2: It goes both ways, we know, but there has been
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Speaker 2: a lot of left wing violence against the right in
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Speaker 2: recent years.
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Speaker 10: It was not particularly hard to see something like this coming.
33:37
Speaker 10: In fact, back in twenty fifteen, I wrote an article
33:39
Speaker 10: for The Hell that went super viral, and it was
33:42
Speaker 10: about violence exploding in the left wing. And at the
33:45
Speaker 10: time this article was marked by leftists and by the
33:49
Speaker 10: mainstream media. They were laughing about this idea that you know,
33:53
Speaker 10: the left would leftists would you know, encourage political violence
33:58
Speaker 10: against you know, people who don't share their values. But
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Speaker 10: it was actually predictable to see it leading here. You know,
34:05
Speaker 10: starting back in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, you had Democrats,
34:08
Speaker 10: high up democrats insinuating that people right of center, especially
34:13
Speaker 10: Trumpian figures, were hitlarian, you know, fascists. And then in
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Speaker 10: twenty seventeen Steve Scalice was shot at the congressional baseball game.
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Speaker 10: You had a high profile right wingers like Ted Cruz
34:25
Speaker 10: and Sarah Hockey Sanders being heckled out of public places,
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Speaker 10: shouted down. This kind of behavior escalated, and then when
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Speaker 10: Trump was inaugurated after the twenty sixteen election, there were
34:36
Speaker 10: two hundred violent leftists that were indicted for committing violence
34:40
Speaker 10: that day. And then of course it just got worse
34:43
Speaker 10: from there to the crescendo when Donald Trump himself had
34:47
Speaker 10: an assassination attempt against him. And now this Charlie Kirk
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Speaker 10: assassinated in cold blood. It is sickening and there is
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Speaker 10: a culture of violence on the left. This is a problem,
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Speaker 10: and our meet and figures on the left need to
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Speaker 10: do something about it, need to recognize it, and they
35:05
Speaker 10: need to stop now before more people get killed.
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Speaker 2: Well sickeningly, Kristen on the left wing MSNBC. Within alys
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Speaker 2: of this assassination, there were people actually saying that Charlie
35:18
Speaker 2: cook effectively had this coming.
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Speaker 8: Have a look, he's been one of the most divisive,
35:23
Speaker 8: especially divisive younger figures in this who is constantly sort
35:27
Speaker 8: of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed.
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Speaker 1: At certain groups.
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Speaker 8: I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to hateful words,
35:37
Speaker 8: which then lead to hateful actions. And I think that's
35:41
Speaker 8: the environment we're in that people just you can't stop
35:44
Speaker 8: with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then
35:47
Speaker 8: saying these awful words and not expect awful actions to
35:50
Speaker 8: take place.
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Speaker 1: That is out righteous.
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Speaker 2: That is the opposite to what we should be talking about.
35:57
Speaker 2: And MSNBC has apologized for that. But I want to
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Speaker 2: finish on this point than Kristen, because Charlie Cooks was
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Speaker 2: passionate about the public square, about our need to disagree respectfully.
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Speaker 2: We need that in public debate, we need to have
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Speaker 2: all the arguments, no matter how tough they are.
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Speaker 1: But without violence. And yet his life ended like this.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, he was a champion for free speech, and unfortunately
36:25
Speaker 10: the media has created this climate of hysteria against right wingers.
36:29
Speaker 10: If the name Donald Trump comes up. You know, they
36:32
Speaker 10: they become completely crazy, almost crazed, and they've read this,
36:38
Speaker 10: this rhetoric that they that they broadcast on their networks.
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Speaker 10: It really can radicalize some unstable people to engage in
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Speaker 10: political violence. So we need more free speech, we need
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Speaker 10: more dialogue, and we need to help these people understand
36:54
Speaker 10: on the left that you know, just because you disagree
36:57
Speaker 10: with someone on politics doesn't mean that is evil. You
37:01
Speaker 10: can think that they're dumb, but it doesn't mean that
37:03
Speaker 10: they're evil, and it never justifies violence. This is a
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Speaker 10: conversation America needs to have.
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Speaker 1: Well said Kristen, and thank you for joining us today.
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Speaker 10: Thank you very much, Chris.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, what a hell of a development in the US today.
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Speaker 2: I want to go to something more lighthearted now, although
37:20
Speaker 2: the issues of abuse and speech overlap into it. That is,
37:23
Speaker 2: of course, the AFL Footy Finals. I want to catch
37:25
Speaker 2: up with Mark Robinson, former chief footy writer with the
37:28
Speaker 2: Herald Son in Melbourne.
37:29
Speaker 1: He joins me.
37:29
Speaker 2: Now from a traffic jam, you're stuck behind it car
37:32
Speaker 2: accident robo so you couldn't get home, but great to
37:35
Speaker 2: talk to you anyway. The wonders of modern technology. I
37:38
Speaker 2: hope the car accidents not too severe.
37:40
Speaker 3: Do you know, No, well, I don't know. It was
37:43
Speaker 3: a car park. I've got Adam Melbourne, but I'm still
37:45
Speaker 3: in the country. But I'm happy to talk to you
37:48
Speaker 3: about anything.
37:48
Speaker 1: Chris spot On, Well, let's talk about the finals.
37:50
Speaker 2: And the big controversy in the first week was the
37:53
Speaker 2: booing of the Collingwood defender Isaac Quayn order. This related
37:57
Speaker 2: to Isaac rank and being suspended for four weeks for
38:00
Speaker 2: the homophobic remark.
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Speaker 1: I was at in the game.
38:03
Speaker 2: There was a lot of booing, but I think the
38:05
Speaker 2: reaction to it might have been over the top.
38:07
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts?
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Speaker 3: No, No, I disagree with you there.
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Speaker 7: I don't like the mob rule. I saw it firsthand
38:14
Speaker 7: when Adam Goods went through. What Adam Goods went through,
38:17
Speaker 7: and when the mob rule takes over it it's not
38:20
Speaker 7: just in sport.
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Speaker 3: We're talking about protests, We're talking about everything. When the
38:23
Speaker 3: mob rule takes over, brains go out the window. And
38:26
Speaker 3: in my opinion, I.
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Speaker 7: Didn't like it, but this is it was blown up
38:32
Speaker 7: a little bit, but I think it was necessary.
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Speaker 1: Well that's what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying,
38:36
Speaker 1: and I don't like it. I like booing at all.
38:38
Speaker 2: Maybe I've boot at the umpire occasionally, but I don't
38:40
Speaker 2: like booing. But I think if it's blown up a
38:44
Speaker 2: bit in the commentary from all quarters, I worry that
38:49
Speaker 2: people that the crowds actually dig in and start booing more.
38:52
Speaker 1: Isn't that what we saw with Adam Goods?
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Speaker 7: Exactly what we saw with Adam good I think humanity
38:58
Speaker 7: finally well, they pushed him out of the game.
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Speaker 1: Terrible.
39:02
Speaker 3: It's a disgrangeful.
39:03
Speaker 7: Period for the AFL and I hope this doesn't get worse,
39:06
Speaker 7: but it will.
39:07
Speaker 3: There's so many layers to this story.
39:09
Speaker 7: Now, if Isaac Rankin and the Crows get through, when
39:12
Speaker 7: Isaac Rankin gets the.
39:13
Speaker 3: Grand Final Day, that this will be hideous.
39:16
Speaker 7: I'm telling you it will be doing on NonStop on
39:19
Speaker 7: Grand Final Day, so that won be great. But we'll
39:22
Speaker 7: deal with that down the track. But the Isaac Rankin
39:25
Speaker 7: situation leading me to talk about the.
39:30
Speaker 3: Bailey Smith situation.
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Speaker 7: Isaac Rankin got five weeks produced to four for in
39:36
Speaker 7: the heat of the moment, making saying a terrible word.
39:40
Speaker 7: We all agree, a terrible word Bailey Smith that entitled
39:46
Speaker 7: little Drip.
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Speaker 3: He thinks it's okay to walk.
39:50
Speaker 7: Up to a female worker, a photographer and intimidator.
39:56
Speaker 3: Now the AFL can.
39:57
Speaker 7: Make Isaac rank and serve a four week penalty. I
40:03
Speaker 7: believe it's in coming on the AFL to suspend Bailey
40:07
Speaker 7: Smith for a period of time for his behavior towards that.
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Speaker 3: Female who was just doing a work. The AFL goes
40:17
Speaker 3: on and on.
40:18
Speaker 7: They have Pride round, they have domestic violence, not so
40:22
Speaker 7: much rounds, but they have games identifying this.
40:25
Speaker 3: And we've got a player. We're going to player who
40:30
Speaker 3: thinks it's okay to walk up to a female and intimidate.
40:33
Speaker 3: It's the AFL must act. They must act.
40:38
Speaker 7: They cannot be seen to suspend ize act ranking and
40:42
Speaker 7: allow this to go through with the two thousand dollars.
40:45
Speaker 1: Fine, well, there's an added layer to that story.
40:48
Speaker 2: Just breaking because I just noticed on my phone the
40:50
Speaker 2: Herald Son is reporting that the Geelong coach Chris Scott
40:54
Speaker 2: has apologized to the AFL for the way he spoke
40:56
Speaker 2: to a woman after their win on the weekend. So
40:59
Speaker 2: they'll be to come on this. I agree with you
41:02
Speaker 2: to a point, Robbo. They've got to be consistent in
41:04
Speaker 2: these things. But I think they're suspending too many players
41:08
Speaker 2: for too many games. You can stamp this stuff out
41:10
Speaker 2: without stopping people playing the game, hopefully.
41:14
Speaker 3: Well they can, but they made it rud for themselves.
41:18
Speaker 7: Yeah, by with the Home of Abe slurs doing three
41:21
Speaker 7: weeks and four weeks and five weeks.
41:23
Speaker 3: Now the af are going to set that standard. They've
41:25
Speaker 3: got to be consistent. What is the difference of.
41:28
Speaker 7: Making a homopabic slur and intimidating a female? Now they
41:32
Speaker 7: are different, but they're in the same ballpark of really
41:35
Speaker 7: poor behavior.
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Speaker 2: Spot On Robo, thanks for joining us, even from the
41:39
Speaker 2: traffic jam there out in the Victorian countryside. Mark Robinson there,
41:43
Speaker 2: we'll catch up with him next week as we're going
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Speaker 2: to get to a break. On the other side, Tim
41:46
Speaker 2: Blair and Mark Nichoson joined me. We'll talk about par
41:48
Speaker 2: Old Tim Flannery's climate forecast.
41:50
Speaker 1: And how they just so wildly wrong. Again.
41:57
Speaker 2: I like to think of this as the national Cabinet.
41:59
Speaker 2: We've got Mark Nicholson from stept Mate Studios in the
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Speaker 2: heart of Melbourne and Tim Blair from the Daily Telegraph
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Speaker 2: joining us from Victoria's wimm or A district. I got
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Speaker 2: to get your thoughts first gentleman on this terrible political
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Speaker 2: assassination in the US. Tim you're just back from the US.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of Charlie Kirk and this horrible shooting.
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Speaker 15: It's astonishing, isn't it? And I think it goes to
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Speaker 15: what Charlie Kirk himself wrote a few months ago when
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Speaker 15: he'd gone to the UK to do what he does best,
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Speaker 15: which is debate students. He went to Cambridge, he went
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Speaker 15: to Oxford, and he spoke to kids there and what
42:32
Speaker 15: startled him was their absolute obsession with everything about Trump.
42:36
Speaker 15: Negative obsession. That is, they knew, you know, incredible things
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Speaker 15: right down to sort of you know, the third level
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Speaker 15: of tax laws, you know, the appointments to the Supreme Court.
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Speaker 15: They knew all this stuff. They knew far more about
42:48
Speaker 15: Trump and the US government under Trump than they knew
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Speaker 15: about their own government and their own laws, and their
42:54
Speaker 15: own circumstances and their own scandals. And I think this,
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Speaker 15: You know, we don't have a murderer captured yet, but
43:02
Speaker 15: I think this might turn into be another case of
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Speaker 15: Trump obsessiveness, and this time being taken out on someone
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Speaker 15: who could argue Trump's case so very eloquently and powerfully.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, I said earlier, they haven't got the gunment yet.
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Speaker 2: I said it was a man. We don't know it
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Speaker 2: was a man or a woman. Of course I was
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Speaker 2: being a.
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Speaker 1: Sexist there, but but it's true.
43:20
Speaker 2: There's this antipathy towards Trump and all those who support
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Speaker 2: him goes everywhere.
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Speaker 3: Mark.
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Speaker 1: I see it in Australia from people who are not normally.
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Speaker 2: Interested in politics, and from kids who have got no
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Speaker 2: idea about politics, but they do know they hate Trump
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Speaker 2: for some reason. This is why I think the media
43:35
Speaker 2: has got a lot to answer for.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and to be honest, this is this is just
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Speaker 6: this is this is the political environment they were in,
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Speaker 6: and like this is to be honest, make this has
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Speaker 6: absolutely rocked me all day. And I didn't like I'm
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Speaker 6: normally I'm not I'm not I'm not that sort of person.
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Speaker 6: But this has absolutely rocked me. And it's my immediate
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Speaker 6: thoughts go to, you know, to Kirk in his family.
43:59
Speaker 6: But then when I bring back home, it's like I'm
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Speaker 6: a nobody and I get the love letters every week,
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Speaker 6: and I get the people calling me nazi and to
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Speaker 6: go kill myself, and you know the threats of you know,
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Speaker 6: we're going to try and break in your website, will
44:10
Speaker 6: come down to your office. I get those, and that's
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Speaker 6: just me. I can't imagine what you get. I can't
44:14
Speaker 6: imagine what Peter gets. I can't imagine what Pauline Hanson gets,
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Speaker 6: like dehumanized constantly and told that they're the root of
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Speaker 6: all evil and all that.
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Speaker 1: Sort of stuff.
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Speaker 6: It's it's really scary, and I just hope that for
44:28
Speaker 6: Charlie Kirk that this is I guess this is a
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Speaker 6: turning point, and I hope that it doesn't.
44:32
Speaker 1: I hope that this.
44:32
Speaker 6: Actually is a turning point where we can all agree
44:34
Speaker 6: that maybe that there is actually more middle ground that
44:36
Speaker 6: we can all stand on, and we shouldn't be treating
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Speaker 6: everybody as the enemy, and we shouldn't be trying to
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Speaker 6: kill each other.
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Speaker 1: For honestly, I.
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Speaker 6: Think most of us are all just trying to make
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Speaker 6: the world a better place, really, and if we can
44:47
Speaker 6: just get the benefit of the doubt on that one,
44:50
Speaker 6: the world would be a better place. But unfortunately, I
44:52
Speaker 6: kind of think that this is going to be just
44:54
Speaker 6: just going to be worse, and we're going to plunge
44:56
Speaker 6: into America is going to plunge into a civil war
44:59
Speaker 6: and I think it's already happening here in Australia. Saw
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Speaker 6: with that Abby Chatfield video the other day where her
45:03
Speaker 6: and that bloke was standing there talking about everyone that
45:05
Speaker 6: was at the immigration rally was scum of the earth
45:08
Speaker 6: and should be killed and should go and die.
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Speaker 1: It's already happening.
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Speaker 6: We don't have guns here, but we're certainly not immune
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Speaker 6: from violence.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, I don't know, mate, This has rocked me.
45:18
Speaker 1: It's a worry.
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Speaker 2: You can disagree with opponents, you can mock them, but
45:23
Speaker 2: to demonize people constantly who are your political opponents or
45:27
Speaker 2: perceived opponents, is just wrong. It's simply wrong, and there's
45:30
Speaker 2: way too much of it these days. Un let's be frank,
45:32
Speaker 2: the left more than the right. There's plenty of that
45:34
Speaker 2: is on the right, Nay, sure, but the left standard
45:37
Speaker 2: pulls seems to be that if you are conservative, you
45:40
Speaker 2: are evil.
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Speaker 1: That's their modus operandi.
45:42
Speaker 2: Everything is a moral decision and you are a moral
45:45
Speaker 2: It's a hell of a problem. It kind of flows
45:47
Speaker 2: into the debate that I want to go onto in
45:51
Speaker 2: domestic politics next to him, and that is I've got
45:53
Speaker 2: a lot of abuse this week because I've dared to
45:55
Speaker 2: criticize just into now bajimb but Price it happens to
45:58
Speaker 2: be a good friend of mine, someone I supported and
46:00
Speaker 2: helped to get into politics. But so I thought she
46:03
Speaker 2: was wrong this week and needed to apologize.
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Speaker 1: She didn't.
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Speaker 2: And then in the end yesterday when she wouldn't publicly
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Speaker 2: support the leader, susanly had no option.
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Speaker 1: But the saker did she? I mean, she just it
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Speaker 1: was it was, it was obvious.
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Speaker 15: I'm not down entirely on your side there, Chris. I
46:21
Speaker 15: think with just enterprise, you're talking about a rare talent,
46:24
Speaker 15: someone from the background that is not common across conservative politics,
46:29
Speaker 15: and I think that side of politics would have benefited
46:32
Speaker 15: hugely from at least treating this with a little bit
46:35
Speaker 15: more discretion. Certainly just said, you know, perhaps let's say
46:40
Speaker 15: she spoke out of order, Well, shouldn't we have a
46:43
Speaker 15: bit more of speaking directly, even if it might not
46:46
Speaker 15: be within the structural lines of a political party, because
46:51
Speaker 15: the way we've gotten so far, especially on the liberal
46:53
Speaker 15: coalition side, is electoral wipeouts.
46:57
Speaker 2: So that's fine, that's fine, But the point is, then
47:01
Speaker 2: yesterday she was asked whether her she supports the leader,
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Speaker 2: and she says that's a matter for the party room.
47:06
Speaker 2: That's what got her sacked, that the other stuff was
47:09
Speaker 2: just messy and could have rolled on forever.
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Speaker 15: Right, Well, that's that's true, but after most liberal voters
47:14
Speaker 15: that they support the leader at this point in time,
47:16
Speaker 15: you might get a similar.
47:18
Speaker 1: If you're in a shadow cabinet.
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Speaker 6: Though.
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Speaker 2: I want to try and move on because I've got
47:22
Speaker 2: something very light hearted here I want to show you
47:24
Speaker 2: and Mark, I'm keen to get your your view on this,
47:29
Speaker 2: because you're named for your sartorial elegance. The Prime Minister
47:32
Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi, of course, is in the Pacific at the
47:36
Speaker 2: moment he turns up at this event.
47:38
Speaker 1: Read of course, you know, as a socialist Left member,
47:41
Speaker 1: he'd be going for the red shirt.
47:43
Speaker 2: But then he realizes he's the only one at dysfunction
47:47
Speaker 2: in a red shirt.
47:48
Speaker 1: They're all there in their blue shirts. He has to
47:50
Speaker 1: go off for a change. What advice would you give
47:53
Speaker 1: him here?
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Speaker 6: Oh, this is worth every penny. You know he normally
48:00
Speaker 6: sitting here on this show, we're talking about how it's
48:01
Speaker 6: a waste of money sending him overseas.
48:03
Speaker 1: Watching him watching that penny drop.
48:05
Speaker 4: That taxpayer penny drop.
48:07
Speaker 6: When he realizes that he's in the wrong shirt is priceless.
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Speaker 9: I'll pay that any day of the week.
48:12
Speaker 6: And you just know the staffer who stitched him up backstage,
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Speaker 6: you could.
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Speaker 1: See he was furious. He was livid.
48:18
Speaker 6: God, a drenching was absolutely literally drenching because of the spittle.
48:23
Speaker 6: But it would he would have been absolutely soaked after
48:27
Speaker 6: the spray that albow gave him there, and you've just
48:30
Speaker 6: embarrassed me in the salmon shirt. It would have been
48:32
Speaker 6: so good it's worth every penny.
48:34
Speaker 2: Well, he's trying to make a big thing of being
48:36
Speaker 2: a Hawthorne supporter now in the footy finals. We'll see
48:38
Speaker 2: tim whether he turns up at the next Hawthorne game
48:40
Speaker 2: in a Swan's guernsey.
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Speaker 15: Absolutely, I'm just dark with him. My shirt, you know,
48:45
Speaker 15: two of them, and here I am wearing a blend
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Speaker 15: old black garment because I got access to my wardrobe
48:51
Speaker 15: apparently very quickly.
48:52
Speaker 2: You guys are a long way away from Sydney, but
48:54
Speaker 2: have a look at what the weather's been doing here.
48:57
Speaker 16: One hundred and twenty two millimeters of rain fell in Sydney,
49:00
Speaker 16: CBD in twenty four hours, roughly double the September average.
49:05
Speaker 16: That rainfall inundated Sydney's roads and Zack Parade in Randwick
49:09
Speaker 16: in Sydney's East underwater, including the light rail which left
49:13
Speaker 16: passengers stranded.
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Speaker 2: How could this be because look at what this bloke
49:18
Speaker 2: told us, even the rain of falls isn't actually going
49:23
Speaker 2: to fill our dams and our river system. Even the
49:25
Speaker 2: rain of falls isn't actually going to fill our dams
49:28
Speaker 2: and our river system.
49:30
Speaker 1: Tim it never gets old.
49:31
Speaker 2: This bloke was appointed by Labor to be the country's
49:35
Speaker 2: climate commissioner.
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Speaker 15: Well, to be fair, he was talking about dams and
49:39
Speaker 15: river systems, not the light rail, so give him a break.
49:42
Speaker 1: Not Anzac Parade in the light rail.
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Speaker 2: Someone I saw some wag today says there's a new
49:47
Speaker 2: ferry gone into Sydney linking at Bondai Junction and Moore Park,
49:52
Speaker 2: so the locals will know that's all parkland. Thanks for
49:55
Speaker 2: joining us, guys, have a good weekend and go to
49:58
Speaker 2: Mighty Crow's go to some of your feedback from last
50:01
Speaker 2: night to what I had to say about Anthony Abernezi
50:04
Speaker 2: Pennywong in their Middle East policies.
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Speaker 1: And Albo was a week leader, always was, always will be,
50:11
Speaker 1: says Tom. And we've got time for one more.
50:15
Speaker 2: Another viewer says, thank you Israel for striking Doha to
50:19
Speaker 2: get rid.
50:20
Speaker 1: Of Hummas once and for all. That's certainly what they're
50:23
Speaker 1: trying to do.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me, have a good weekend, go the crows,
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Speaker 2: and I'll see you next week.