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Sometimes There's Side Eye - Episode 13: Getting A Puppy! · Sometimes There's Side Eye

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Welcome to sometimes their side. I a podcast about two friends,
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having real and unfiltered conversations about dogs and
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people listened. As we talk about our lives, with
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dogs, training Behavior, share some laughs and a whole lot of
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banter. I'm Heather and I'm Christie and
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this week. Oh boy, we are talking about
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bees bees. Yay, don't act excited.
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I know you're not excited. I had a puppy person but I am
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excited about puppies. Let me clarify I'm not a puppy
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person if I do not want to live with a puppy full-time writer
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you'll just puppies. Yep.
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You'll enjoy other people's puppies.
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Yeah I love when other people get puppies and then I can send
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those puppies home with those owners.
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Yeah I understand that an episode about puppies might not
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be everybody's cup of tea which is fair enough but you're still
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going to get Irregular banter and shit, talking back and
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forth, and all the fun, and maybe you're going to get a
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puppy in the future, or the episode.
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Could give you some thoughts and ideas about other things in
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general or, you know, someone who's going to get a puppy and
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then you can send the episode to them and I don't know how many
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times this has happened to you. But so often people start
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talking to me about a puppy that they want to get.
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And and they are looking for a vice.
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Do I feel like this episode is going to be perfect?
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Even if you're having those casual conversations with your
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friends who are wanting to get puppies as well.
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Yeah, if them some things to think about do, I call myself
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more than a puppy novice at this point.
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Yes, don't call me an expert. I don't want that title.
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Pretty close. How about a puppy, professional?
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You have to be professional? Yes.
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Okay, I will accept that considering professional puppy,
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Wrangler, I am that, as well as Tiago.
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We both are taters of part-time Wrangler.
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If you've listened to an episode before, you know that I own a
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small business called Puppy K all day and that is literally
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raising people. Those puppies for them, training
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them socializing them. So I will call myself a puppy
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professional. I was just going to say to
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Define raising its short term, and at the end of every day,
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mostly those puppies go home. Yeah.
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And as for a few weeks, yes, so it's not a board in train, we
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call it a day train. So the puppies come to me while
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their families working or doing whatever they have to do.
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They spend about eight to nine hours with me and then they go
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home at night so they can bond with their family.
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And they get training videos and blah, blah blah.
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So yeah, it's not a traditional board and train.
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I prefer the puppy keeps bonding with their family, and the
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family can be a part of the experience versus a puppy.
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Just coming to me for two, straight weeks, or four straight
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weeks. So, yeah, it's a little bit
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different. I just wanted to clear.
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Thanks so much Christy. Yes, I'm not gonna get a puppy,
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but if I ever was, I'll be sending it to others during the
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day and then getting that nice tired.
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Puppy at the end of the day. Yeah, I mean, There are
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definitely benefits to it and I am clearly interested in raising
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puppies and all the science behind it and all that stuff.
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So what inspired this episode in particular?
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I made a little infographic on going to visit a potential puppy
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that was inspired by a conversation that I had with
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potential client over the phone. Of course I shared my
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conversation with Christy but the conversation was super
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interesting because the person was going to look at a puppy and
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they had been following this breeder for at least a year on
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Instagram. They were super excited about
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this particular breeder and they had honed in on this being the
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type of dog that they wanted to get.
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So she had initially told me that they were going to wait
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until the end of the year and then she told me that there was
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a puppy that was available for Current literature and that they
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had decided they were going to go and see it.
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So right off the bat that was a little bit of a red flag to me,
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it just in the way of oh the opportunities there even though
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we had a plan all of the sudden there's this opportunity and we
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feel like maybe this is the time.
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So yeah, you know I just kind of was like oh you really had a
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solid plan so much of a plan that You reached out to me.
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Six months before you ever got your puppy, just amazing.
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It is. I'm not saying yeah.
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So I just text her back and I said, hey before you go, can we
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have a chat? Can we talk on the phone?
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And she said, oh yeah, sure. She was concerned about
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integrating her puppy, with her two, adult dogs and she had
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wanted some tips. And I really wanted to just get
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her on the phone so we can talk about going to see this puppy.
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Truth be told if You're listening.
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It was with the purest intentions.
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We ended up having about a 45-minute conversation and we
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started out talking about integrating, a new puppy with
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her with her adult dogs and then I just kind of asked her some
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questions. It was things like what made you
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decide to throw your timeline Elka window?
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Okay. Seven i7 that no, totally, this
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was very professional conversation.
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This is me, breaking it down here and she had shared with me
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and I have so appreciate her honesty.
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She had shared with me that this little boy was left behind and
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didn't have a home, and the breeder was lowering his prize
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that made him very attractive. I said, okay, I can totally
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understand that. Do you feel like really have a
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connection with this little guy? Or are those really the driving
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factors right now? And she said, um no I just am
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really interested because I think we could make it work
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right now and I thought. Okay, fair enough.
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So I asked her some questions about what the breeder told her
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about this particular puppy. And she told me a few adjective
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one of which really stuck out to me, which was shy, the word
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chai, can mean a million things, right?
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But when you're talking about, Puppy and then your home has
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grandchildren and adult dogs and is a very active home.
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I feel concerned if the breeder who knows the puppy best or
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should is openly describing the puppy is shy.
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Yeah, I think you know there's certain words that we need to
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have the breeder defying or the rescue or wherever you're
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getting your puppy from. If they know that there's a
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characteristic. Stick of that, dog.
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Sometimes we need to say, well how do you define that?
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Because it may be that shy to them is they've learned that the
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public refers to shy as not the first dog to greet you in the
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litter. I'm holds back and watches but
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is confident and Hoagie and isn't going to shy away from
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you. I don't know.
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So they may have changed their lingo a little bit to to fit
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what the public perception is or it may be that shy, is you reach
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down to pet a puppy and Puppy is terrified and piece itself.
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Yeah, like there's that's a huge range.
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Yes, would incorporate shy. So that's where we need some
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definitions from. Whoever has that puppy, I gave
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her some little tips to kind of test the parameters of which, I
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actually means when she goes to meet this little guy, I told her
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about Christie's favorite word, which is resilience.
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I explained to her what that meant in.
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Terms of a puppy. So, basically, when we say a
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puppy is resilient, even if a puppy is nervous about
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something. We're unsure or gets startled.
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Their response to come back and be curious about.
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That thing really means that that puppy has resilience and
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yes, it is something that we can grow, and we can cultivate, but
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they have to have a natural amount of resilience and
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puppies. At the age of this, puppy should
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be ready to just be so curious about The world.
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So it really the word just kind of made me stop and pause and I
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asked her, does that word mean anything to you or make you have
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any certain feelings? And she's she did say that, that
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word had made her kind of pause. And I was like, okay.
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So she had a little gut reaction to that word.
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Specifically we went on to talk, I asked her.
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Why did you select this certain mix?
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She told me that her husband really likes.
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Likes the color and the way they look and I was like, okay, fine.
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And just as a side note, people are allowed to choose a dog
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because they find that dog attractive.
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Yeah, let's just get that out of the way because like they're,
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I'm not going to name any breeds because I'm not alienating
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anyone, but there's some breeds that, I just think.
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Wow, that is not an attractive diet, I don't want to live with
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them, so yes, that should not be your only attraction to a dog,
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but it's there. Should You should be able to
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look at your dog and not think it's likely.
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Yes, I agree. Which is why I didn't really say
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anything. I was like, okay, well, if the
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personality in the traits and everything else match up the
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end, you want this particular color.
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Absolutely go for it for me. Color is generally the last
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thing that I care about because I have very, very high
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expectations for other things. So it's a real Balancing Act and
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what's important to you, but I did just want to mention that
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was why they were one of the reasons that they were very
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interested in this particular mix.
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I talked to her a fair amount about what their lifestyle looks
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like, and it wasn't really me saying, well, you have
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grandkids, you should consider that.
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Oh, you have this, you should consider that.
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It was more like, can you tell me what your day-to-day looks
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like? Can you tell me what your
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weekends look like? And she was describing this
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life. Her grown children live next
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door with their granddaughter. So, the granddaughters are all
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Yeah there I forget if it was son but anyway but other grown
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married couple live across the street, the whole family lives
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right here. Yes.
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And so she's describing this to me, she's telling me.
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The personality is, however, other dogs and she's talking to
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me about what their life looks like.
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And throughout her answering my questions.
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It was like, she started to realize that maybe he's shy,
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puppy was not necessarily. Lee the way to go.
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Having said that, like Christy mentioned, what dish?
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I mean, I gave her some parameters to go on when she
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went to see the puppy. I asked her if she went to see
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the puppy. Did she think that she could sit
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back and really assess how the puppy was behaving and not look
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at it emotionally because let's face it.
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Puppies are cute. Adore.
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Okay. And if you're interested, which
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I hope you are in the type of puppy.
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You're going to see. You don't need the emotional
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part has already there, you're invested.
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And what do you hear? People say all the time?
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I went to go see this litter or I went to go see this puppy?
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Or I went to this rescue to look at this puppy.
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Just to look how many of those people actually walk away
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without the puppy. It doesn't he?
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Open. So we know all puppies are
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adorable. It's happening.
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Okay? I really asked her to take a
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moment and sit back and observe the puppy and ask key questions
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of the breeder. Well, what?
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What is the puppy like, around your children?
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What is the mom? Like, what is the dad?
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Like, do you know about them? What is there?
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What is this? Puppy's interaction.
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When you pick it up and handle it?
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You do it, snails different real-life scenarios to kind of
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gain more information, about who the puppy is in personality.
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This woman is not looking for a project.
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She's looking for a family pet. We want the puppy to feel
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comfortable or at least show Comfort some comfortability in
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scenarios where we know it's going to be have to deal with
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and it's like one of the traps that everyone always falls into
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is. Oh, you go and you and I've
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fallen into this trap. You go you look at the puppies
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and the one that sits in your lap is the one.
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And yeah, it happened to me. Why wouldn't it be clearly this
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puppy loves me. It came and sadly.
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Yes, I fell for link because he came and rolled over on my shoe.
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That's adorable. It is adorable.
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We all know what that story look like.
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I mean I do get But I think we just have to like try to take a
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little bit more of a realistic. Look at things when we're going
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to see ya. I also advised her before she
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went before. Everyone listen to me before you
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go make a list of questions that you want to ask.
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Make sure the question is for yes, because in the moment, you
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have no questions, everything is flowers and rainbows, and
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unicorns because puppies are cute and they're in your life.
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Extracting, and they're distracting from logic.
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Like, they take all your logic and they just kick it right out
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the window they do. So you need to sit down
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beforehand and make a list of important questions for you to
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ask. I beg of you Christy how do you
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think a person? Whether it's a breeder rescue
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because we're everybody. We're talking about all puppies.
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Today, I'm just using this example because this woman was
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going to a breeder, how do you think it should be perceived by?
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Anyone who is working on matching this puppy to this
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home. If somebody rolls out a list and
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starts asking questions about the puppy, it should be
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perceived as that person is invested in the long-term.
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And they want to make sure that the dog is getting the right fit
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for a family and the family is getting a right fit for a dog.
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Yeah, so that's how it should be perceived.
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I know sometimes that is not the case, but that's absolutely.
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There should be no problems. Asking questions, whether you're
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at a rescue, whether you're a breeder, whether there's a line
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of 50 people behind you to get the same.
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Poppy questions. Should always be encouraged.
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Yeah, I totally agree. And I understand that, like,
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Christy said, there can absolutely be pressure, but the
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Mantra that I need for you to have in your mind.
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When feeling that pressure is, I'm going to have this puppy for
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the rest of its life. And it is going to be a member
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of my family. So if you can kind of keep that
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in the back of your mind when you're going and they sit in
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your lap and they lick you and they kiss you and they just
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adorable, it might help ground you a little bit to make a sound
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decision and it might also help you to really take note of that
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puppies Behavior. If they say, if there's
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littermates around how they're interacting with their litter
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mates, how they experience, You the person you brought with you
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the items that might be in the environment, how they interact
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with the breeder with or the volunteer somebody that they
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should already know or would likely already know.
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Those interactions can tell you a lot of information to about
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the puppy's personality. I will say, when I started
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volunteering, I remember distinctly the person who I'm
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and this was years and years ago, the person who was running
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the volunteer training. Head when people come in for
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puppies, you know, like we just kind of give them like five
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minutes. Here's puppies just pick one
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because all puppies are pretty much the same.
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Ooh, which clearly that has shifted thankfully in the rescue
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world, I don't think many rescues believe that now, but I
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will say watching my friends who have had puppies from Rescue.
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There were puppies that I would like that.
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Puppy in that letter I don't want like that that it needs to
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go to somebody who Who can experience experience with these
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different things, you know, and this puppy seems so great and
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laid back so you could really tell their personality.
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Even at a really young age just interacting with each other and
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a lot of those personality traits came to fruition but
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learn to watch that Inlet Reserve Observer observed.
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Yeah. I think the other really, really
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key thing is if at all possible Take a person with you who is
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not invested in the puppy and the same way as you are.
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Obviously if you're a married couple, you know, you're going
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and it's a husband and wife deal, if you're a family you're
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probably going with your kids and you are going to be impacted
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by how your kids interact with a puppy and how emotional and
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attached. They get to a certain puppy.
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So my advice is always going to be take somebody like Christy
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along with you and Them have an outsider perspective.
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I at this point have gone with several friends to go and meet
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puppies. And given my honest opinion on
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what I thought in the scenario and the last person I went with
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told me recently that I will be going with her to pick every
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puppy that she gets from now on because I am straightforward and
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honest which is why Christie's my person to go with me because
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I know that she will be straightforward and honest but
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you Need after I get my like me out, yes, but you need that
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level-headed perspective. Ideally, it's someone who
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understands a little bit about dog behavior, but even if it
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isn't, if you just can have somebody who has that
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level-headed perspective that is willing to say to you.
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When you're really really really want the little puppy named
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Rover and Rover, seem scared to death and you have three kids at
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home, that is willing to say to you.
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I'm not Really sure if Rover is the right choice for Rover, or
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for your family and these are the reasons why, and this is
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what I saw. Yeah, I think that's important
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because I know we're talking about, you need to be logical in
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going into getting a puppy but also we're not saying that you
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shouldn't be emotional or overcome with emotion or
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overcome with joy and those are all like very natural feelings
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in this process as well. I am.
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All about embracing those feelings and just living in that
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moment with those. But then that's why you want
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someone who isn't getting a puppy or who isn't who
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emotionally a logical. Yeah.
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So that you are allowed to have all those emotions but then
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there's somebody logically saying, okay, let's direct your
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emotions in this way. Let me ask you some real
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questions. Yeah, you think the puppy that
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is resource guarding at six weeks old and it I can get
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littermates is the right fit, like yeah, yeah.
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No. I completely agree.
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And we're not saying we've told you a million times.
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There's no straight line in dog behavior, just because you see a
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behavior in a puppy doesn't mean it isn't something you can work
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with but you have to analyze your life and know.
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Is this something I have the time to work on Emma, I willing
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to make the investment. If it does not Not pan out the
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way I want, or like this woman. Do I just want an easy happy
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healthy pet? So let me just start out with
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the puppy who seems like the right fit from the get-go and
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try to stack the deck in my favor as we move forward because
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in the end after her and I talking for 45 minutes me giving
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her tips and everything else. She text me the next day and
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told me that they never even went to look at the puppy.
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And once her and her husband talked about our conversation
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that she realized that Were brushing it and that it would
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have been a truly emotional decision and they don't think it
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was the right puppy for them. And you know what, I am thrilled
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for them. Yeah, yeah.
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So I would say to like, be open to Opportunities because that
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was an opportunity. We have other friends who the
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opportunity to get a puppy came several months before they had
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plenty. Yes, Little Miss Tova.
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Yeah. And so that was, that was long
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before they plant. To be either.
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But they were open to the opportunity and it was the right
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fit. So be open to opportunities but
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also go into those logically. Yeah.
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And I feel like Tova is it worked out because they were
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centered in what they were really looking for and they
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understood what they were looking for.
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But they also had people around them who were looking at it
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logically and saying, hey, I really think that this is a good
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fit for you. That, if you're open to it, you
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should move forward. Okay?
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So here's the hardest tip that I'm going to give and sometimes
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it's not going to be possible. I told her that she should take
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in all the information ask all of her questions.
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Take some time with the puppy and then tell their breeder that
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they would like to talk about it, discuss it that evening and
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let her know if they were going to move forward with the puppy
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and I know that in some scenarios.
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Is this is not possible in some scenarios.
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You feel pressured in some scenarios, you're on a
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timetable. I understand all of those
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points, I respect them. I just want people to make a
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good solid decision based in real observations so that they
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can get the right fit because really, that's the best thing
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for everybody all the way around.
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So now Christy is going to give all the reasons why this doesn't
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work. Oh, not at all but I will say in
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rescue sometimes that's not a Yashin.
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It's not as puppies are a hot. Commodity they go fast when I
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went to look at the County shelter with a friend, she
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called and said, hey, we're driving for over an hour to get
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there there. Any way you could hold this
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puppy until I can meet it and they said, absolutely not.
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She goes, what if I put the payment down on and they said no
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first come first serve. And by the time we got there,
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they said oh, like ten minutes ago.
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The Puppy left. Yeah I was like if I hadn't
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gotten turned around on two directions we could have got
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time. I'm so sorry but just know.
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So in those situations know that you might not have like an
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overnight to think about it. So go in very prepared you know
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go in with your questions, go in as prepared as possible there's
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a lot of things you can do with rescue to perhaps if you know
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that you're interested in a litter, you can reach out to the
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rest. You before they're adaptable and
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say, is there any way I could send these questions to the
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foster parent? Yes, because these are things
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that are important to me and I don't want to waste your time.
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I don't want to waste my time, so if there's no puppies in this
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litter that fit these things, then I'm okay walking away
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because I know I won't once I get there, I don't have a chance
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to say. I'm going to think about it
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overnight. There's also Fosters every
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rescue does things a little differently.
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So there are some Foster's who might allow you to me.
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The puppies beforehand before they're available for adoption
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and have some time to think about it, where you maybe don't
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have to put in your application that very second because it's
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going to be two or three weeks before they come up for
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adoption. So, there are some ways to work
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with that, but just know what you're getting into before you
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go, if you're going to a County shelter, it really is like a
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grab and go. Yeah, that sounds so terrible.
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But it is like go in know that there's high pressure that you
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need to make a decision. Then if that's not the right fit
25:25
for you if you know that you cannot make a good decision
25:29
under high pressure. That's okay.
25:31
Don't go to that Municipal rescue then maybe go to a rescue
25:35
that just private fostering or has different protocols that
25:39
work better for you and your family so that you can get the
25:43
right fit whether you're going to a breeder or a rescue I
25:47
totally agree and I think that if you know that you're going to
25:51
be under the clocks, So to speak, or on a clock to make a
25:54
decision? I think the preparation is
25:57
what's really, really important. In addition to what Christie
26:00
said about asking questions about the the litter, I would
26:03
also ask questions about the mom and dad, because there might be
26:08
information about them. That is completely relevant.
26:12
That would change your mind, one way, or the other.
26:15
And that's a big factor. I would definitely keep that in
26:20
mind. When we adopted our loose, A the
26:23
litter was born and rescue and the rescue had her mom.
26:27
We went to see her when she was 11 weeks.
26:29
She was in extremely high demand and we had to make a decision
26:34
right away as well. This is Heather in 2005 and we
26:39
we fell different, Heather, well, whatever, another.
26:42
We did feel pressured, but excited to, to get this puppy,
26:47
we were absolutely told that Lucy's mom had It's call it dog,
26:53
selective issues. She didn't end up living with
26:56
another dog years later, but she absolutely was dog selective at
27:00
best. I was just like, cool.
27:03
I still didn't understand the impact of genetics.
27:06
I still didn't have a full understanding of what exactly
27:10
that meant and I was all in. Man.
27:12
I was all in in the end that did affect who Lucy was and she was
27:17
a litter of five, only two of the puppy survived her and her
27:20
brother and both of them ended up.
27:23
Not being able to live with other dogs.
27:25
There's a lot that goes into that.
27:26
There are a million things. They were bottle-fed, they
27:29
couldn't be properly socialized, because they were ill, they
27:32
didn't get to be with their mom. I mean there's a million factors
27:35
that go into that, but all that information.
27:37
Now, I would not have adopted her at this stage in my life
27:42
with the knowledge that I have. And I think that's part of the
27:45
reason why we're talking about this because the knowledge is
27:48
out there and it's experiences that we've had in different
27:52
scenarios with. Ends ourselves.
27:53
We want you to understand that. Yes, it's an emotional decision.
27:58
It's a happy time. We want you to love your puppy.
28:00
Enjoy your puppy at the same time, if you can prepare
28:04
beforehand, it could save you time money resources heartache.
28:10
Everything if it's not the right fit.
28:12
Yeah, I would say 2005. Christie would have sad if she
28:17
was going in to look at a puppy, she was coming home with a
28:21
puppy, like their purse. It wasn't like that wasn't a
28:25
thing like where I would have asked the right questions and
28:28
then debated if I can take home a puppy I would have just been
28:32
like cool. Look how cute this one is.
28:34
I really like it. Oh, that one's not available.
28:36
Look how cute this one is. I like it.
28:39
Yep. I agree.
28:40
The other thing I was just thinking about was let's say and
28:44
I'm going to use almost. There's an example because we
28:47
know everybody over there. I would also say if you go in to
28:51
look at a puppy and all of the sudden you're like, whoa, this
28:55
is a lie. You know, you thought it was
28:56
what you wanted. The puppies are really cute,
28:58
there's things you like about them.
29:00
Take a look at the mom. The mom is adoptable if you're
29:04
going to rescue and you're interested or the mix seems good
29:08
or any of that. Maybe you need to take a step
29:10
back and consider. Hey, this mom is great, maybe
29:13
this is the path I need to go instead.
29:15
Yeah, and I will also say one piece of advice that I gave a
29:19
firm recently who was looking at skew.
29:22
She was like why Really feel like, I mean, I'm me that this
29:25
is an appointment to meet one dog.
29:27
But now, this other dog might go up for adoption and that I had
29:31
met and I wasn't sure about her, but now, I don't know which one
29:35
and I remember telling her obviously, go with what you can
29:39
see long term but also, their skin of the other dogs.
29:42
Like, there's not a shortage of at least in Arizona, I know
29:46
Seattle, there is a shortage of dogs, but for the most part in
29:50
the United States, there's not going to NG to be a situation
29:54
where you pass on a puppy and then you never get another
29:57
chance to get a puppy. Yeah, like that's just know that
30:00
you haven't lost your one. True love, there's other
30:04
options. There's other other fish in the
30:06
sea to so to speak. There's always available dogs
30:09
and puppies. So just give yourself a Ford
30:12
yourself that opportunity to to get the right fit.
30:15
Yeah because like Christy said there's going to be more
30:18
availability and it is more important that you find.
30:23
Dog. That's the right fit for you
30:25
than just a fit and it's not your obligation to save that
30:30
puppy. It's not your obligation to
30:32
purchase that puppy. You should never feel obligated.
30:35
It's a decision that you're making.
30:37
That is a long-term life-altering decision.
30:41
I totally agree. I don't want anyone to feel
30:44
pressured to do that ever. No matter the scenario.
30:47
Yeah, yeah. And I know, I like, I had some
30:50
friends who went to look out, Rottweiler Puppies actually,
30:53
well, the lamb and they got there and it was a junkyard.
30:57
And the mom was a junkyard dog who had been bred with another
31:00
Rottweiler, and it was the last puppy.
31:02
Loved malnourished in terrible conditions.
31:06
And I remember, even at that point, I thought, oh, I don't
31:10
know if that's a great idea, but they said we just couldn't leave
31:14
her there. So, we paid reader the hundred
31:17
dollars, or whatever it was and they brought this puppy home
31:21
because they had this Emotional savior complex, and not in a bad
31:26
way, but they wanted they this puppy.
31:29
Like, and it feels. Let me tell you guys, nobody, we
31:32
like to save things because it is good to say, I don't feel
31:36
very well. Go into thinking, well, if I
31:56
save this dog, they inherently know, and all dogs inherently
32:00
know and then they are thankful to me the rest of their lives.
32:04
Like that's not a thing, that's not a thing.
32:06
And sure enough. This Rottweiler was very
32:09
sketchy. I liked her personally, they let
32:11
me be introduced to her without a lot of warning.
32:14
So, I just came in and was not scared of her because I love her
32:17
at Wyler's and was like, oh, hey and said, hi to all the dogs.
32:21
And the honors like, oh, wow! She Growl out.
32:23
You were short. He and I was like, okay, okay.
32:25
And they're like, you're one of the only people that she hasn't
32:29
been. Well, you also know that we
32:31
approach a dog this was years ago.
32:33
Oh really? Look I just went in for it so
32:38
she did have a lot of social issues with human beings and not
32:43
being sociable with people and they were always having people
32:47
over so that I think they would have realized now that that was
32:52
not the right thing. Bit.
32:53
But they've definitely let the emotions.
32:55
Get the better of them. Yeah, I know so many people over
32:59
the years who have done the exact same thing where they felt
33:02
like they needed to save the dog from whatever scenario.
33:05
They were in save The Puppy and I do get where that comes from,
33:10
I absolutely understand. But then the flip side of that
33:14
is the mom continuing to being used in that way.
33:18
As a commodity, I just there's the emotional factor in this is,
33:22
I think Perspective on that comes from growing up in a
33:25
community, where it's the puppy mill capital of the world, I
33:28
grew up in Pennsylvania. Puppy mills are highly prevalent
33:32
even today. And so many people will do that,
33:36
they're like, well, I feel bad for the puppy, it's stuck in a
33:38
life in a cage and blah, blah, blah.
33:39
And I'm like, yeah, but now the mom is too, so there's
33:43
repercussions to that, you know. Yeah, that was so Doom and Gloom
33:48
you. And I know that argument is
33:50
always like, well, it's not the puppies.
33:52
All right, you are so right? It's not the yes, but we also
33:57
are not short on dogs that puppies that from legitimate
34:02
rescues and we are not short on ethically bred dogs either.
34:08
So there's options to not support that business.
34:12
Yes. You know, I totally, we always
34:15
like right now it's such a boom of supporting small own
34:19
business. All these small owned
34:21
businesses. Let's not Port bad businesses so
34:25
that we can support good businesses even when it comes to
34:29
two puppies. I don't think we usually think
34:31
of it that way because it's hard to think of puppies as a
34:35
business, but it absolutely is. You're paying for them, whether
34:39
you're adopting money buying. Yes.
34:42
Yeah, I think this episode will go nicely into what we plan to
34:46
do this summer. We plan to talk about ethical
34:49
breeding but also ethical rescues.
34:52
I Think considering both of those things.
34:55
And FYI, if you're buying from a pet store, your puppy is coming
34:59
from either, a commercial breeder, or a puppy mill. 100%.
35:04
Unless there are some that some pet store General Electric or
35:08
no? Yes.
35:09
Your profit pet store. Yes I know in Arizona we
35:13
definitely have like a rescue. That is a pet store in a pet
35:16
stairs. I think the other interesting
35:19
point that goes along with that is even in the best of scenario.
35:24
When breeders and rescues do everything they can to support.
35:30
The mom to plant will rescues, not planning but to Support the
35:35
mom support, the litter enrichment activities and
35:38
different stimulation activities based on developmental periods
35:43
in the puppies lives. And so all of the things that
35:47
are correct, even when they're going through the motions to do
35:52
everything with the best of intentions shit goes wrong.
35:55
So if in those scenarios with rescue ethical rescues and
36:01
ethical breeders, they do everything right to stack the
36:03
deck in their favor. / and shit, still goes wrong, we do not want
36:06
to support people who are not doing anything and then just
36:11
pumping out puppies because the chances of something going wrong
36:15
there or much much higher. Absolutely, like Christy said,
36:20
we're going to be doing some episodes this Summer that were
36:23
really excited about. We're going to be doing episodes
36:27
where we talk about what we think, ethical rescue and
36:31
ethical breeding looks like and then we're actually Going to be
36:34
interviewing some people that were super pumped about and then
36:38
I think we're going to wrap everything up talking about how
36:42
breeders and rescues can work together and how it can benefit
36:45
the dogs and people which I can't wait.
36:47
And then since I'm in the business of puppies, I'm super
36:53
excited because I am working on an online course that is
36:57
focusing on teaching people how to find an ethical breeder
37:02
because that Is not easy and what all goes into being able to
37:08
do that and what to look for and red flags.
37:11
So I'm excited about that coming out this summer as well.
37:16
It does about that too, because I've had so many friends come to
37:20
me and ask me questions and then I just have to be like, oh no,
37:24
Heather help me. No, I have some words, this done
37:28
that well, and the reason that I ended up doing this is because I
37:33
have helped So many people over the years.
37:36
I can't even tell you. I have spent hours upon hours of
37:40
looking at websites. I'll get random websites sent to
37:43
me. Hey, does this breeder look
37:44
decent my friends thinking about going to them and I look it up
37:47
for 30 seconds and I'm like, red flag red flag and I love helping
37:50
people do that, but I don't have a lot of spare time.
37:54
So I decided to kind of put everything in a course for
37:56
people, it's going to be super affordable for people to be able
37:59
to do all the steps. And then once you learn it, I'm
38:02
excited to share my knowledge. And all the kind of experiences
38:06
that I've been through and what has taken me to where I am now
38:10
in my life. Yeah.
38:11
And I think why I'm excited about it because I mean let's be
38:14
honest. Heather's kind of the breeding
38:16
aspect of this podcast and I'm kind of the rock where am I?
38:22
But why I'm excited is because then we can help people avoid
38:28
going to Backyard breeders. Yeah, even if you're against
38:31
breeding, this is still going to be useful because As an ethical
38:35
breeder, even if you feel like that's not for you, let's send
38:39
people to a breeder who stands behind their puppies and takes
38:42
puppies back so that were not contributing to two dogs in the
38:46
shelter. So that's why I'm excited.
38:48
Yeah, can start people out who aren't interested in rescue
38:53
dogs? That's okay.
38:54
We all have friends who are like, I'm not getting a rescue.
38:58
That gives us their options to be able to talk through this and
39:02
yes, fine. You're not To go to rescue.
39:05
That wouldn't be my choice but let me at least point you in the
39:08
right direction. Yeah, that you can avoid going
39:11
to a backyard breeder. I think just one who doesn't
39:14
deserve it when we get into this this summer.
39:17
We're going to give you examples so it can give you talking
39:20
points going forward, as we give sort of our breakdown of what is
39:25
ethical versus not for us in rescue and inbreeding and then
39:30
interview actual people who are from ethical Gil.
39:34
And then also interviewing an ethical breeder.
39:37
I think, by the end of the summer, we're going to change
39:40
some people's minds. I really hope you guys will
39:42
stick with us through this journey because I think there's
39:45
a lot of knowledge on both sides to be gained.
39:48
I think, people who are breeder, only are gonna learn some really
39:52
valuable things about rescue. I think people who are rescue
39:55
only are going to gain some insight about ethical breeding
39:59
to just try and go into it with an open mind.
40:02
And if you come out the other side and you're like, Nope, I
40:04
still feel the way. I feel cool, but we appreciate
40:06
you going to journey and have a mind open enough to even listen.
40:10
Yeah. To have a dialogue about it.
40:12
Yeah, for sure because that's what we're all about.
40:14
Yeah so to wrap this up we've gone over a lot of different
40:19
scenarios and things to consider when getting a puppy.
40:22
So kind of a rundown, a quick rundown, ask questions, take
40:26
time to think about the puppy. That's the right fit for you.
40:29
Bring someone who is not as emotionally invested and Of you
40:34
logical advice. What else?
40:37
Heather have a plan before you go.
40:39
So, go find the puppy of your dreams, if that's what you want
40:42
or in Christie's case, don't don't.
40:46
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