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Patriots Unfiltered 9/14: Previewing the Steelers, Wednesday Practice Report, How the Offense Can Improve · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Some of the content of Patriots Unfiltered may not be
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  Speaker 1: suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised. Welcome to
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  Speaker 1: Patriot's Unfiltered. I'm just watching the highlights of the Monday
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  Speaker 1: night game last night, and I'm getting angry all over again.
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  Speaker 1: It was more, you know, explosive from a dead start,
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  Speaker 1: as they said. Yeah, they threw it Howard on important plays.
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  Speaker 1: This is my point with their best play though, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean, like, why is that their best play? Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's what they did. I mean I knew it was
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  Speaker 1: gonna happen, know it's gonna happen, and wanting it to
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  Speaker 1: happen at two different things. Don't tell me you wanted
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  Speaker 1: it to happen that you got so mad. They may
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  Speaker 1: have gotten bailed out with a penalty, because I do
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  Speaker 1: think he grabbed well never, but he was never exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Don't tell me that's the best play. Justin Tommy Kern
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  Speaker 1: reporting Patricia's upset with Kendrick Bourne after a missed preseason meeting.
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  Speaker 1: Any so that I was a round, I guess there
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  Speaker 1: are you calling hardy? Yes, yes, it's fun. I was
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  Speaker 1: listening in every time that would have I know Fred's chuckle. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and you were that's the best part. He should charge
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  Speaker 1: me Rent Kevin's and Delaware. Hey Kevin, Hey, hey, hey.
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  Speaker 1: This is Patriot's Unfiltered fueled by Duncan. All right, welcome
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  Speaker 1: into Patriots Unfiltered. We are coming at you live from
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  Speaker 1: Jillette Stadium. It's it's your boy Deucee hosting it. Sorry, guys,
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  Speaker 1: due back in the host chair. No, no, no Fred today,
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  Speaker 1: just this is Paul and Mike. This is the this
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  Speaker 1: is the A one team A one. I like that.
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  Speaker 1: The original A team was was idiots. We know who
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  Speaker 1: that was. Okay, I can't, but you're right there, Deuce.
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  Speaker 1: I like it. I just need you and you yell
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  Speaker 1: a little more. We got into it a little bit
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  Speaker 1: yesterday about you know what, I noticing that little argument
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  Speaker 1: um and I don't know if this happens all the time,
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  Speaker 1: but suddenly my voice went to a place that I'm
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  Speaker 1: not really comfortable with. You had a new octave. You
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  Speaker 1: can't tell me. I'm like, where did that come from? Well?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Not good much good, much like the
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  Speaker 1: Patriots offense. We don't know. We don't know where that
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  Speaker 1: came from. We don't know where this came from. But
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  Speaker 1: busy day here today, and it won't be just Paul
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  Speaker 1: and I. We we were gonna welcome back Evan Lazarre.
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  Speaker 1: Finally he'll be on for the second half hour. But
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  Speaker 1: I got a little practice update one that we're kind
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  Speaker 1: of interested in more so than normal because we want
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  Speaker 1: to see how mac Jones looks physically. I don't know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we haven't really grilled Evan yet on the practice report too,
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  Speaker 1: so I hope he's really you know, looking at that,
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  Speaker 1: like what's the mood that that question might throw him
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  Speaker 1: off a little bit. You know, what do you mean?
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  Speaker 1: It's like, I don't they don't have mood on all
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  Speaker 1: twenty two. Yeah, it's just straight up football here. You
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  Speaker 1: guys want to know what kind of concepts they were
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  Speaker 1: running out there? Yeah, it was cover three, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a man under a guy over the top. So you
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  Speaker 1: can you can do the dance, Paul, But that's what
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  Speaker 1: it is. It's a dance. Anybody could do it. I'm
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  Speaker 1: a good dancer. Yeah, can you do it correctly? Right? Well,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna find out. Well, we'll grill him. We got
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  Speaker 1: some an early preview of evans reaction to to the
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  Speaker 1: L twenty two and the film breakdown, and it's probably
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  Speaker 1: about what you would expect it to be, maybe not
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  Speaker 1: though maybe a little bit surprised that he was a
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  Speaker 1: little fired up. But I'm excited I got a chance
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  Speaker 1: to speak to him today for the first time because
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  Speaker 1: I'm down in the dungeon now and I don't see
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  Speaker 1: you guys as regularly, and I was taking a little
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  Speaker 1: bit aback that he, you know, on watching it at
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  Speaker 1: a second time, felt even worse about it, as he
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  Speaker 1: still knows how I was supposed to work. I thought,
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  Speaker 1: you're supposed to feel better when you watch the film
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  Speaker 1: the second time, and I'd see the optimism. People were
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  Speaker 1: open everywhere. But now we'll have having on about one o'clock.
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  Speaker 1: But Bill's going right now, so we'll get, you know,
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  Speaker 1: some some news from that press contract. We do have
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  Speaker 1: kind of a lot of things and it's um now.
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  Speaker 1: I really feel like, I know last week was the
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  Speaker 1: start of the season. I really feel like you started
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  Speaker 1: to settle in now to the normal quote unquote normal
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  Speaker 1: routine of Sunday, you know, Sunday games. You know, Wednesday,
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  Speaker 1: they're back at it here. They'll be practicing Wednesday Thursday day.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get practice reports every day, you know, the practice
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  Speaker 1: participation report that Fred likes distress, it's not the injury
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  Speaker 1: report that um and then like like Mike said, well,
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  Speaker 1: we'll hear from Aaron Evan probably what an hour or
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  Speaker 1: so yet, I think practice at twelve forty So he's
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  Speaker 1: gonna go out there and take a look. See who's there.
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  Speaker 1: See on Mac Jones is moving? Guys will getting the
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  Speaker 1: locker later when I'm doing my my real radio yeump
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  Speaker 1: that up, Lgren, Maz and Bill. As Mike said, I
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  Speaker 1: just looking over the shoulder here I see Bill at
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  Speaker 1: the podium, so he is, uh, he's often running. So
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  Speaker 1: we'll hopefully Matt, if you can sort of keep one
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  Speaker 1: ear on that what Bill saying, maybe anything interesting? You
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  Speaker 1: can let us know, like, well he just cut mac Jones.
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  Speaker 1: We probably want to get that into the show if
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  Speaker 1: you know, if that happens, kind of he's hurt, right,
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  Speaker 1: but it's true designation injury no no, but it certainly
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  Speaker 1: seems like mac Um you know, dodged a bullet if
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  Speaker 1: there was, you know, it seems like he's getting or
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  Speaker 1: physically based on all the reports that we're hearing, he
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  Speaker 1: did speak, um, you know, late on Yeah, and he's
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  Speaker 1: supposed to and he's supposed to come on today, so
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  Speaker 1: that's probably a good sign. But you know, I still
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  Speaker 1: like think, like we talked about yesterday, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if he's out of the woods completely at the very
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's probably going to be dealing with a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of pain and discomfort I would imagine. Um,
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  Speaker 1: But that hitt he took was that was that was tough.
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  Speaker 1: That was tough, and I think he landed. Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: and that's why I'm not so sure about the spasms.
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  Speaker 1: I was kind of with you on that yesterday. We
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  Speaker 1: didn't spasms. That seems more like a general tourney. I
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  Speaker 1: heard Tony and Mike that just called him Tony and Mike.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like people that I can't call him that
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  Speaker 1: Felger math, but they seem kind of like mass spasms.
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  Speaker 1: It's just they always just sort of seemed like whatever
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  Speaker 1: you think, I'm gonna go opposite, right, Um, but that
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  Speaker 1: comes fact. But I felt like he got hit, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he got high load. And when he he did admit
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  Speaker 1: that that he thought that was the play where whatever
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  Speaker 1: you don't want to deem it injury you know occurred, right.
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  Speaker 1: He had said that the roughering to pass or play.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you get spasms when you get
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  Speaker 1: hit and land hard on your back? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I've I mean, I've had I've had some badas too,
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  Speaker 1: but never like I feel like a spas. And we
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  Speaker 1: welcome all our listeners to call in and with your
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  Speaker 1: own your back problems and see if whether or not
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  Speaker 1: you could have played in an NFL game, because that's
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  Speaker 1: very relevant. Like it'll muscle like kind of twitching and
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  Speaker 1: you can't get it to stop. That's my impression of
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  Speaker 1: what especial. So maybe maybe that is what happened, and
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  Speaker 1: hopefully it's worked itself out and he'll be, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: no limitations at all this week, And uh, I don't expect.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel. I don't expect to
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  Speaker 1: see him on the injury point I did. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be a non factor. Interesting, I hope. So,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I was kind of expecting him him
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  Speaker 1: to be but yeah, I guess we'll find out this afternoon.
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  Speaker 1: And Adrian Phillips another maybe injury situation to monitor with
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  Speaker 1: a rib injury I'll look like he just kind of landed. Funny,
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  Speaker 1: I was watching that one a little bit close and
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  Speaker 1: uh and a couple moves to talk about too. We
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  Speaker 1: can because there's another one, Phillips rib injury. I would
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  Speaker 1: feel better if you got hitting the ribs. Yeah, you said,
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  Speaker 1: kind of felt like he twisted. So now I'm wonder
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  Speaker 1: is that like a muscular kind of injury maybe, uh,
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  Speaker 1: like an oblique kind of problem or something like a
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  Speaker 1: rib cage like muscle separate intercostal tissue. Will I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what that means, um, but I'm going to take
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  Speaker 1: the word of the Holy Cross guy. Sounded like you
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  Speaker 1: know what you were talking. I mean you also the
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  Speaker 1: lord of the guy who broke his own ribs on
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  Speaker 1: a beach falling point. But again blunt, you know, blunt,
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  Speaker 1: fullest trauma of the side, which I still feel that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't it still doesn't feel one hundred percent right. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: I should go see a doctor for about that. But
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  Speaker 1: I love to hear from you guys, though, of course,
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  Speaker 1: as always, give us a buzz eight five five pats
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  Speaker 1: dot com. A couple of little things to get to though,
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  Speaker 1: before we jump into you guys in your calls and emails,
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  Speaker 1: uh move last night time Montgomery a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: a surprise moving to injured reserve little Jordan Humphrey getting
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  Speaker 1: promoted to the fifty three man roster, and they made
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  Speaker 1: it official then with the open practice squad spot that
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  Speaker 1: Marcus Cannon, the old tackle is is back. Played I
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  Speaker 1: think six games last year for Houston after taking twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty off. Definitely an older guy. I mean I kind
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  Speaker 1: of have mixed feelings on before. Yeah, I mean we
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  Speaker 1: touched on it yesterday a little bit. I have mixed
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  Speaker 1: feelings on it just because on one hand, it's I
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  Speaker 1: think it shows like how desperate you kind of are
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  Speaker 1: to acquire some tackle depth. But I also always really
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  Speaker 1: liked Marcus Cannon and felt like, you know, even in
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  Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen, those years, he was still playing pretty well.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's still got it four years later.
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  Speaker 1: I just liked the guy. I think he's had some
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  Speaker 1: some good years here. They probably passed him, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: one of those pieces that you hope you don't need,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't know, maybe he's got something left and
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  Speaker 1: maybe he can push these guys. What worries me about
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  Speaker 1: it is what we saw probably in the summer is
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  Speaker 1: probably how they feel. Like justin Haran, they probably don't
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  Speaker 1: feel great. Yadny could used. I think that he was
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  Speaker 1: out there and battling some injuries at times. I think
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  Speaker 1: when he played, I think just I just called him
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  Speaker 1: to cold choose, you know, it's just I have to
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  Speaker 1: always get that one. I think just played reasonably well
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  Speaker 1: when he played UM, but I think injuries have been
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  Speaker 1: a problem with him. My fear is that the coaching
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  Speaker 1: staff saw the same stuff that we saw, and we're like,
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  Speaker 1: if we have to make a move here. I don't
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  Speaker 1: really feel comfortable, and I definitely do not feel comfortable
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  Speaker 1: with Marcus Cannon, who I am not any win Narra
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  Speaker 1: as high on as a Patriot as you evidently were.
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  Speaker 1: It was kind of before, I don't I mean, And again,
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  Speaker 1: I like it's it's all relative right now to what
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  Speaker 1: they had. I think when he played, he was the
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  Speaker 1: prototypical guy who turned it on in a in a
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  Speaker 1: contract year. I think there's a lot of Trent Brown there.
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  Speaker 1: Let's put it that one that I think I think
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  Speaker 1: in contract years, with the years that he generally played
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  Speaker 1: sixteen games and you know, stayed on the beam and
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  Speaker 1: when he didn't. Yeah, yeah, all right, we'll move on
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  Speaker 1: from But I do like him. I like him better
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  Speaker 1: than Trent Brown so and and if he could, if
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  Speaker 1: he were healthy enough to play, I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what his back situation is. Yeah, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if I I'm speaking out of turn here because
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  Speaker 1: I really wonder with Montgomery. Well, that's weird. He had
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  Speaker 1: an injury two weeks ago and now he played and
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't. He went on IR a week after I
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  Speaker 1: thought he was going to go on IR. That's weird.
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  Speaker 1: Can you provide any insight on that? I cannot, But
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  Speaker 1: I will say that I didn't see you're all over
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  Speaker 1: the Twitter machine more so than I am. Fortunately, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't really see anybody speculate as to whether or not
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  Speaker 1: this was like short term long term season ending. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't see anybody indicate anything on him. We know he'll
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  Speaker 1: have to miss four games because i R is automatic,
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  Speaker 1: but will he be ready to return after four games?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't see anybody speculate on that. Did I miss it? No?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't see it either, And I mean I guess
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  Speaker 1: at this point we're wondering is it connected to the
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  Speaker 1: ankle pseudo knee injury that he had last week from
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  Speaker 1: Vegas or is it something new, something got exasperbated. We don't.
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  Speaker 1: I do not know that. I don't know. Obviously he
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have played if he was hurt. No, let's give
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  Speaker 1: let him give it a try. No, but he maybe,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. We'll see. Uh. And
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  Speaker 1: then finally little Jordan getting promoted, so you know, give
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  Speaker 1: them a little bit more receiver depth though, But is
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  Speaker 1: it pushing Yeah, the story here, That's why I when
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned Humphrey, it is still born, like everybody is.
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  Speaker 1: I see what I did there, it's still born, still born. Yeah,
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: that's not There's a lot of opportunity with that last name,
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  Speaker 1: born again. You know, he had a big if he
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: had a big game this weekend on PFW's cover, I
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  Speaker 1: imagine born Again would be in the mix. Absolutely chef's
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  Speaker 1: kiss with that one. Um. But there were a lot
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: of sort of layers to the story as it unfolded yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: and Tommy Tommy Karen was the one who had all
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  Speaker 1: the information that everybody, of course they all knew him
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  Speaker 1: confirmed they all knew about it, evidently just decided to
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  Speaker 1: wait till Tom Karren got all the credit for it. Um.
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: I love the media. UM. I thought that the the
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: butting heads with Matt Patricia angle, to me, I found
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  Speaker 1: a little interesting. And I'm kind of as much as
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  Speaker 1: I'm giving Tom credit for breaking the story because he did,
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of backpedaling away from that a little bit
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  Speaker 1: because of what Bill has been telling us. You know,
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  Speaker 1: all through training camp, it's me like, you don't worry
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  Speaker 1: about you know, you don't need to worry about who's
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  Speaker 1: calling the place. You don't need to it's a process
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  Speaker 1: with Ultimately, it's my responsibility. It's all on me. So
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: now that there's a problem with your personnel usage, I'm
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: not going to put that on somebody else. I'm going
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: to put it on Bill. So maybe it's because Matt
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  Speaker 1: Patricia has been butting heads with Kendrick Bourne, but ultimately
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  Speaker 1: the decision to de emphasize them to the extent that
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  Speaker 1: they did on Sunday, Mike, I think falls on Bill. Right. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I agree, And I mean I'm glad you said that, Paul,
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  Speaker 1: because I don't know what the word is, like you
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  Speaker 1: just you kind of something like your spidy sense gets
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  Speaker 1: tingling a little bit when you hear something like that,
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: and you just knew that everything was now going to
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: come at Matt Patricia And I don't know, do you
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  Speaker 1: really think, Bill, We've had a good summer so far.
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  Speaker 1: We speculated a lot of things in the summer that,
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  Speaker 1: unfortunately for the Patriots, have actually been born out. So
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  Speaker 1: what it did? Again? But we talked about Kendrick Bourne
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  Speaker 1: at length. What are those days that we had the
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  Speaker 1: live practices when we were on the radio, and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the things that we've talked about have now
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  Speaker 1: sort of continued. We talked a lot about if the
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  Speaker 1: offense is sporadic, it's going to fall all on the coaches.
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  Speaker 1: It's not going to have anything to do with the players.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Now this is like a double dip of
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  Speaker 1: of blame deflection. It has nothing to do with Mac
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  Speaker 1: Jones and the players that they scored seven points. It's
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  Speaker 1: not just the bad play calling. Now it's no Kendrick Bourne,
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  Speaker 1: which you know, I guess I don't know if you know,
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  Speaker 1: but if Kendrick Bourne play, they just scored forty nine,
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  Speaker 1: the other name absolutely, you know, So it I just
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  Speaker 1: I keep going back to the way Bill said it.
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  Speaker 1: It's me. It's ultimately my responsibility for all of it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I apply. I think he's right, and that's the
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  Speaker 1: way I've always gone about it, but others don't. There's
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  Speaker 1: one more weird piece of it to me too, is
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  Speaker 1: that a lot of these reports were then followed up
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  Speaker 1: with he's expected to be more involved going forward, like
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  Speaker 1: they're they like I noticed multiple things of like wow,
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  Speaker 1: that little bit. So I'll tell you what we'll have now. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So I like to I like to give you my
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  Speaker 1: vocate me. I like to give you my narratives ahead
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  Speaker 1: of time, right like Fred always like he goes, you
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: get an arguments with people before they even happen, like
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  Speaker 1: it's it's not meant to be an argument. But now
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you if that's the case, Mike. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And now, by definition, he has to be more involved
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday three SAPs, otherwise he'll be inactive. Right, So
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: let's just say he plays thirty snaps on Sunday and
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: catches four passes. Good solid game. Bill will get the
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: credit for overruling that Patricia. You watch you watch no wrong.
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  Speaker 1: He will get the credit for stepping in and smoothing
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  Speaker 1: things over and making sure that he was more of
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  Speaker 1: a part of the plan. That's what will happen if
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  Speaker 1: if Kendrick Bourne has a good game on Sunday and
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  Speaker 1: it's still it still won't explain to me why, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if there's been more going on. And then we treaded
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  Speaker 1: on a lot of this territory yesterday of just you know,
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  Speaker 1: here we are going into week two that you're still
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  Speaker 1: kind of messing around with it. At what point, you know,
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  Speaker 1: do you move on? But I get people, really, I
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  Speaker 1: just Mampatricia just triggers so many people. I think that's
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  Speaker 1: such an element this year that I think I might
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: have underplayed a little bit. It's just people. And I
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: understand don't really want him to be successful. I do, Oh,
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know about want or whatever, but I do
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: think that he triggers a lot of people. I like
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: your your analysis there and I and I understand why.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's a guy that when he was here,
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: and I say this a whole time defensively, it got
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: better when he left. And I was believe me, I
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: was one of the naysayers, the doubters and the whole
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: Are they really more aggressive? And then you know, you
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: watch that go forward and you're like, yeah, they are.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: They are more aggressive and more productive. Yeah they were.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: They were better defensively, And he really rubbed me the wrong.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: I like the guy personal. I've spoken to him off
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: the field many times, and I have enjoyed conversations with him.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: I don't pretend to know him. He's not a friend.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: But when I've dealt with him individually, I've had nothing
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: but great things to say. I told you this when
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: he came. Yeah, but the whole stick in Detroit bothered me.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Sit up straight, you know whatever, you know, just respect
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: the process, Like, no, you have a process. You're the
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: head coach of the Detroit Lions and you run the
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Detroit Lions. But I'm here representing my media outlet. You
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: don't get to tell me how to do my job.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: I just didn't like that. I didn't like the Roger
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Goodell clown shirt. I thought that was unbecoming of a
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. Want to be NFL head coach like you
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: could and say what you want behind closed doors about
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. And I understand how the Patriots felt
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: about Goodell at the time that rubbed me the wrong way.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of classless. I didn't like it. Yeah,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: so I understand why some people are triggered by him.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: I have no problem with him, never have. Yeah, and
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: I and I and I say it as like, you know,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: somebody when I was blogging, I just I always really
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: liked writing about defense, and I was with that group
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: of people that found his style kind of driving me nuts.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: And I felt like it was the bend, don't break,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: and we're not going to really be aggressive. We're only
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: going to rush three four guys. And I think to
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: some extent they still aren't overly overly aggressive. Maybe when
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Flores was here that one year, it felt like he
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: kind of went overboard and really went after it, which
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: was cool to see. But I don't know. I'm still
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: trying to put my finger on exactly what it was
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: that that bugged me, because I think you're right like
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: and I and I say that as somebody who loved
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: the defense and you know, really was following them closely.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: But he's up to up to his eyeballs right now.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: I'm a patrician and just about all of it. Um,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: I'm just reading, you know, some of the captions they're
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: putting up on COVID. An NBC sports bosson I know
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: they're talking about different things, Trent Brown. He had mentioned,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: you know, had was able to be part of the
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: offseason program. The whole way I think they're taught. They
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: talked about Time Montgomery. I didn't get to see anything
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: specifically about you know, you know his i R whether
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: it's something long term or well short, short term, just
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: talking about getting the information to the players and whatnot.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: So we'll see when Bill wraps it up, if we
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: can sort of get some nuggets from from the Bill
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: press conference. When asked if Time Montgomery has a chance
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: to return this season, he said, we'll see how it
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: goes if he's healthy. If he's healthy, we'll bring him back.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: How that will all turn out, I'm not a doctor.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: He said that with a big smile on his face. Okay,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with it's a longer term thing. Then
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: we got nothing right if they thought it was going
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: to be like four or five weeks. Oh, you know, yeah,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: we anticipate him coming back at some point. Yeah, would
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: you think if he doesn't know, Yeah, it's a long
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: term thing. So so now what do you think, I mean,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: does this give JJ Taylor an opportunity? You got Pierce
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Strong's already on the roster. Is he ready to step
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: into something? I mean, I don't. I don't think he
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: can go in with Harris and Stevenson kind of being
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: the only two guys that are going to carry the
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: ball going you know, starting this week and going forward,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: sets up some questions. If you don't bring up JJ Taylor,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I think you would have to at least incorporate Pierre Strong,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: right and on some level, because I agree with you
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: can't just have two guys. You can go through a
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: game with only two guys getting the ball. That can happen,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: but that's not the same as going into a game
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: with only two options. Do you know what I mean?
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: But Pierre Strong was inactive last week. I would think
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: at the very least he'd have to be active this week.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: I'd like to see him. I think JJ Taylor will
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: come up from the ball squad too, like I'd like
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: to see Strong get a chance. I'm seeing Bill wrap
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: up his pest conference others Aaron Higher and getting a
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: nice front and center there. Let's let's take a quick
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: jo over to the phones. Is. Of course, Patty has
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: been waiting here for a little while, so let's jump
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: right in here and get you, hey, Patty, what's going on?
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: What's going on? Guys, just the two of us talking, Pats,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: two of you. We do well. I had had a
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: couple of questions for you guys today, but first duced
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Um yesterday and towards being into the show, when you
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: guys were talking about Kendrick Bourne and he said, I
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: don't know, maybe maybe he wasn't sitting up straight in
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: the meeting. I got a good chuckle. I thought that
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: one fell flat in the room. Oh, I got it out.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I got it. I was laughing. I was laughing on
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: the road. So I, uh yeah, I got two questions
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: for you. The first question is it's I'll preface the
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: question with Um saying, let's just say that they the
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: roster stays as it is and regardless of one one
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: or last record and how their offense looks when this happens.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: But when Taekwon Thornton comes back, when he's ready and
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: available to play, do you think they they're a little
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: apprehensive about playing them a little like give him limited
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: snaps or do you think they just throw them out
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: there to see what he can do. And the second
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: question is regarding since t J. Watt is not going
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: to be playing in the game on Sunday, how important
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: is it for Mac on every single play to identify
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: where Minca Fitzpatrick is because he's in my opinion, he's
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: one of the best safeties in the league. Like hand
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: down yep, Well yeah, I mean I don't think those
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: two things are all that related, like t J. Watt
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: and Minca Fitzpatrick. Yeah, I mean, he's gonna need to
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: be aware of Fitzpatrick and they're gonna be I think,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: thanks more importantly for Mac Jones in regards to pass protection,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: he's gonna need to be on it. They've struggled, They've
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: missed some assignments, whether that's Max fault or the aligneman's fault.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: You know, he needs to be part of the solution,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: right You can't have the runaway guys that they've had.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Um So, I think they catch an enormous break without
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: t J. Watt. And it'd be interesting to see if
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Alex Highsmith can be, you know, a disruptive player like
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: he was last week. Now he's a young guy who's
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: coming into his own Tom Wins talked very highly about
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: him in the past. He had three sacks and nine
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: quarterback pressures against Cincinnati. I have to think that's at
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: least partly due to the fact that on the other
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: side was t J Watt. Yeah, and he didn't get
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: hurt until overtime. So yeah, I mean to piggyback on
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: what you're saying too, I mean, and he plays on
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: the right side, so does Cam Hayward. So for me,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I look at Cole Strange Trent Brown as kind of
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: being key. I mean, Cam Hayward, he's an old veteran, big,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: tough everything. That probably gives Cole Strange some problems here
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: early in his rookie year with you know, not having
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the most sand in his pants, right, no one, there
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: you go. I think that's a real challenge. Yeah, I
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: like sand in his pants. That's good for the lineman
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: you need. I think he doesn't need a little bit
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: more of that. As for Thor, I mean, I'm not
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: sure if if he was talking along the lines of
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: are they worried he's gonna get reinjured or oh, I
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: don't know, but I just think he man. How much
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: do you think he'd played provided that he's healthy. I
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: can well, I would. I would say, yes, get him
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: in with you, no fights today, no rising in my voice.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: But I will say that it probably would depend on
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: what's happened over the next month. You know. Let's say, like,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I think they have a good chance to go to
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and sort of make everybody feel a lot better
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: about what's going on and come away with a win.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Now do you come back and respond with a nice
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: win at home against Baltimore two, not the team that's
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: not likely to light up the school board? And then
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're feeling better about yourself at
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: like two and one, you know, and then you get Thornton,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: probably back on the practice field, maybe with a chance
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: to play in week five or six. You know, probably
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: can afford to like work him in slowly and see
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: where he fits. You have bad stuff go on in
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and a continuation of the offensive malaise, and all
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: of a sudden you're one in three or you know,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: worse yet oh and four, when Thornton I'd say, you
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: know what, let's get them out there for fifty snaps
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: and let's just get this kid ready to go. Yeah,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: I mean I think if things continue along this trajectory
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: of how they started. I don't expect that they will,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: but generally, if they do, I'm all for getting Thornton
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: out there a SAP, Get Pierre Strong out there a SAP.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta start. I mean then I'm going
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: into full your mode. Get the kids in there. If
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: you don't have anything with these veteran group, if they're
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: not able to produce, you got to find out asap
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: with these guys. Get them out there right. The best
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: development of the twenty twenty one season was Mac Jones
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: played all the games and got invaluable experience. If you know,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: you were able to do that in make the playoffs,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: So that was the best of both worlds. If you
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: are in a position where you're not in playoff contention,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: you know, as you hit like the middle to end
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: of October, if it looks you're in trouble like you
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: need to find a way to make sure that Thornton
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: is playing. The two Jones boys are getting significant snaps
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: on defense. I have no problem with how they were used.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not get a feetwet a little bit like that
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to be They didn't need to be huge
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: parts of the defensive game plan on Sunday in their
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: first game. But I want to see them be involved,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: you know, as we as we move along here and
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: if you fall out of it, I want them heavily involved.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: All right, let's go here. I'm assuming this is Chris
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: with A T, I A and Hey Christian, what's going on?
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Hey guys, what's happening? Um? I just had a quick
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: question about I R and so is it still? Um?
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: You have two spots open for short short term eis
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: during the season? No? You have? Yeah, you have? What
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: is it now? What's the number? Is it? I thought
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: it was unlimited, wasn't it? I think it still? Did
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: they cap that again? I think it's like but I
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: think it's a high. Now I think it's eight or
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: something like that. But um, no, they have more than two.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: So yes, if if time Montgomery physically can come back,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I think that he would be he would be able
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: to do so. Yes, So was it eight? Okay that's
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: what I thought? So say like the UM and I
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: remember with UM with like just like tough for example,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: it would be the first six weeks and then you
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: had three weeks to activate him. How does it work
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: listen with the fourth term, ir like in weeks four, Like,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: do you have to decide right then and there or
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: do you have like a couple of weeks to activate them.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of pleasing. No, he's eligible to return after
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: four games, but you don't have to have him returned. Wow, Okay, Yeah,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I think it's once he starts practicing, then you have
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: a week to activate him. The clock starts right, starts
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: for for I R I again, some of these things,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: like Mike just said that sort of changed with COVID
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: back and forth. So yeah, I think it's Thanks Christian,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I think he can come. I think like Tae Kwon Thornton,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: for example, I think would be able to start practicing,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: he'd be eligible to start practicing heading into the Week
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: four game. Then he would have to sit out that
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Week four game, and then the following week they would
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: have to make a decision if he if he did now,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: if it's like week five, when I think you have
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: a week of practice before he would have to be
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: activated to the roster or not. I think. I love
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: this stuff though that came out of COVID with the
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: ability to have practice squad veterans, and I just it's
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: it's I think it's so much better the game. I mean,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I just love to being able to grab a Marcus
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Cannon type. You know, I know, you know we talked
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: about him. But yeah, it's nothing to do with with
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Marcus Can. I love the I R stuff. I'm totally
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: with you on that. I like the roster flexibility. I
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: don't think you need sixteen guys in the practice squad,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: and I don't think you need you know, eight year
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: veterans on the practice squad. I think it should be
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: a smaller practice squad and you should have young players,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: young developmental players on it. But it's not doesn't like
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: bug me or anything like that. More jobs for guys.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: They chose to do it this way, and that's that.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I mean that, that's fine. Sixteen guys and you have
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: how many? Was there? Like four? Four veterans? Thanks? Four
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: or six? Yeah? Six veterans. All right, let's go down
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: to William, North Carolina. Hit William, what's going on? Hey, guys,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: thanks taking my calls, my once a decade call, and
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: I'm a bit nervous. I appreciate you taking it. No
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: need to be nervous, MIAs, Mike won't yell, it's just
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: the two of us, but he got the sports details
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: of the moment. I just wanted to say it struck
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: a chord yesterday when Alex and occasionally Paul says about
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: a difference they're making and you know, your career path
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: and choice, and I just I know you make a
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: hue and a lot of lives in my life, you know,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: and my girls are born. And I was up in
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: and I can care of him. I listened to y'all.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: You know, my dad and I visited there in the studio,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: you know, when he was dying. I held his hand
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: and listened to y'all. And he don't make any difference
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: in a lot of lives. And I just would hope
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: that she is a young person, would not doubt the
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: past that she's considering going down the other size, will
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: pass that, pass it along to her for sure. Absolutely absolutely.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I'm glad that we um you know, we're here. I'm
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: glad that we are here every week as we try
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: to try to have some fun. We try not to
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: make it too sa I know, just sports, right, people
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: people think, you know, like that I'm always arguing with somebody,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: but it's not really meant to be like in Mike
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: will tell you there's never been a real argument. It's
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: always sports arguments. That's not the same thing. We always
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: sort of, you know, have some fun and go back
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: and forth and then we make fun of each other
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: as soon as the show's all because we all do,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: in general, get along very well generally, and that's why
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: the off season shows are the best. But yes, yes, thanks,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: well you appreciate it. Yeah, it's funny. I feel like
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I've evolved. I've evolved on this point. Um, you know,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: like like now when we kind of I don't know,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: we don't, we don't, we don't, we don't chirp too
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: much at each other. Um, but now I just like,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. Like before I would get
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: like a rush of blood and like where we go?
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: You know. Now I just kind of all right, say
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: my thing. Now you say you're guy, and you can
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: tell too when it's one of those that I'm just
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: sort of you know, all of a sudden, there's a
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: real one. And that's one that's when the push it away. Okay,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: all right, listen, that's when Fred looks at me and
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: does the little eyebrow thing. Yeah, he got him, I
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: got him. Why I try not to do that too, up,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I don't want to give him what he wants. He's
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: very very calculating with with those things. Uh so yeah,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: just update you guys too, you know, practice going to
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: go on and about ten minutes and we'll expect Evan
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: in after that give us a full report and then
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: we'll we'll pick his brain about his uh his film review.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: A couple emails coming in. Phone lines are open though,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: if you guys want to give us a call eight
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: five to five pats five hundred. UM. I thought this
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: one was interesting. Cody Moran right and in Um, Cody
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: from Cincinnati. I should say, hey, guys, doesn't even feel
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: like Daniel Jones is very dangerously utilized in New York.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: They're constant is he runs for him and plays in
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Harm's Way, where he's taking a lot of hits. If
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Mac were placed in the same position, we would be furious.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Why do you wow? Why did they do this to
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Daniel Jones if they thought he was their future? I
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: just thought Daniel Jones was an interesting guy this week
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: with um, you know, playing for Brian Dable and and
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: it seemed like everybody like statistically was all in love
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones, but it didn't really seem like he
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: played all that hot. But in the in the game itself, yeah,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: from what he was, he was up and down. I
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: think he did a great job of rallying the team
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: in the second half and overcoming a horrific interception that
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: he threw and leading a game winning drive. He made
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: some good plays. Now, the biggest play was sa Quon
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Barkley got free for a long run, which got him
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: look good fat he was. He was excellent in the game.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: That's their offense. I mean we saw them, I mean
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: we saw them last summer, and their best plays were
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, at that point, sa Quon I think was
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: not healthy. He's still working his way back if he
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: was out there. But um, Pataniel Jones, that was like
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: the best play they had, which is quarterback keepers and
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: that was the Joe Judge down there. All right, let's
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: move on, m Patricia and judge. This is this is
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: stuffing from near Frankfurt, Germany. A patrician judge as old
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: line and QB coach don't only have to create and
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: install the game plan and call plays, they're affectively are
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: teachers teaching concepts and techniques. Maybe old line playing QB
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: performance are lacking because Patrician and Judge theoretically know how
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: to coach these skill positions, but aren't practically able to
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: correct flaws or coats every bit a performance out of
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the players that they have. I'd like to know your
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: take on that theory, anything on that. It's just it's hard.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: There's so much. They have, so much. I don't know
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: how to like parse it all out and say this
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: is you know what they're good at, this is what
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: It's just, it's it's all. It's just all you can
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: look at is the performance on the field. I feel
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: like and say the proof is in the pudding, and
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I can't. I can't tell you what's responsible in all
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: the individual details. Yeah, and I think that they've had issues.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's no question. And I just wonder how
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: much of the issues are beyond football, Like, I just
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: wonder how much of it is mental in terms of
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: what they're doing. You know, either guys don't really understand
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: what they're doing well enough, or they don't believe in
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: what they're doing. And that's like those are easy, cliche
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: talk radio things to say. And I'll be fully admitting
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: that there's no like, you can't tell me I'm wrong,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: you can't tell me I'm right. Like it's it's sort
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: of an abstract concept, like unless someone tells you, you
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: know what, Mike, we don't really know with the offensive linemen,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: we don't really know what we're doing. That's not going
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: to happen. So it's just it's kind of a feeling
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: that you get from watching I wonder if it's a
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: combination of them not necessarily all being on the same
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: page with what they're actually doing, and then not really
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: understanding why they're doing it in the first place. Yeah,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know that that's true, but I'm just wondering
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: if that's a problem, because if it is, it's way
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: worse than anything physical. I know, I know, and I'm
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: not wanted to walk down that road. Lightly, Like I
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: hold out hope or belief that you know that they've
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: got guys here that are tough competitors, and you know
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: that they're all gonna pull together for the same goal.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: But I mean, I gotta be honest, the way that
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: they played and the way that they've kind of looked
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: over the past few months, I just I don't know,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the what the I don't want
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: to say the investment level. That's maybe putting it a
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: little bit too extreme. But I just have concerns and
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of it is on the offensive
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: line and specifically on the edge of the offensive line.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: But so far, the you know what we've seen, I mean,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: I mean maybe even the Carolina Panthers practice when there
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: was like the fight, like that was one of the
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: only moments I really felt like so far where it
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: felt like they were a fired up group ready to
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: kind of compete, you know, But I don't and I'll
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I agree with you totally. I think you're right about that, um,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: but even that, I'm going to use this like, Okay,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: So it happened on Tuesday and there was a lot
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: of pushing in shoving and fighting, and then you know,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: the coaches were like, all right, you got that out
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: of your systems, and then haven't happened the same way
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: again on Wednesday. It's like like an indication like are
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: they really listening or are they just doing what they're doing?
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: You know? And again, I know, the guy had the
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: big hit on Wilkerson and they responded to it. I
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: don't have any problem with that. I was an uncompletely
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: cheap and unnecessary hit right on a practice field, and
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: they responded to it. So on the surface, I don't
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: think the players did anything wrong. But I'm just wondering
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: if maybe there was another indication of yeah, I know
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: what you said, coach, but we're gonna do this anyway. Yeah. Yeah,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Well that's kind of a long lines from Todd and
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Greenfields just saying good day, gents. Is there a chance
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: that Bill has lost his ability to relate to the players,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: staff feels disconnected from the zeitgeist to the league. Bill
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Patrician and the rest of the coaches do not interview well,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: just the thought zeitgeist league. I love that that phrase
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: would be right up Fred's allie to share that one
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: with him. I don't know if Bill. I mean, I've
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: always sort of felt like Bill has a communication issue,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Like he's not, you know, the warmest and fuzziest guy,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: but he's always sort of been able to get his
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: message across. I think his reputation as the ultimate successful coach,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: the ultimate winner in the NFL helps that. And you
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: do wonder if maybe now you're bringing in guys that
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: weren't around for part of your success, And I wonder
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: if it's not as much buying because of it. You know,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: you have Devin mccordy, you have Matthew Slater. Who else
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: is on the roster that won Super Bowl with the Patriots?
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Trent Brown was here in eighteen, he won a Super Bowl. Yeah,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: it's probably not too many others right now. And I mean,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: and part of that too, as you wonder, you know,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: how much competitive fire do those guys have left too?
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Like how much does Devin mccordy enjoying this right now?
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure he likes playing football, clearly, but
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: it's a different team now. So even when the new
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: guys don't really know and the old guys, it's not
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: the same as it was. You know, that feeling hard,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: hard to escape it, and it's like how old were
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: you kids when you know, just do it because I
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: said so, stop working? Yeah, right right? And that's and
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: that's why I think this weekend it's there's got to
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: be some success. They got to start to string something
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: together because it's you know, you can tell us through
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: the preseason, oh you know, we're figuring it out even
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: into meet week one, you know, all right, well, you
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: know it's the kind of an extension of the preseason.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: But like at some point, we're just getting game after
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: game after game, we're seeing the same thing going back
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: to last year, and I go back to that quote
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: from Bill after the Bill's loss. Was this a bad
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: night or is this who we are? We'll find out
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: next year? Well through one game and the entire looks
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: so you're still entire offseason slash summer, you know, like
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: this is what they look like. Let's go back over
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: here another one. Uh yeah. Keenan writing in I'm so
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: worried about Mac. So many people believe the Patriots have
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: their guy in Mac Jones, but I would say since
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: the first Buffalo game last year in the Wind, he
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: has done more to convince me that he is not
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: the guy in the future. Although the first game against
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Buffalo resulted in a winn, it really bothered me that
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: he wasn't trusted to throw the ball three times. And
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: since that game, he hasn't done anything to convince me
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: that he is nothing more than a quarterback cable of
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: beating up on some bad teams. I still have hope
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: for him, but I'm starting to lean towards him not
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: being the answer at QB. If Matt Jones has another
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: year where he beats up on bad teams but struggles
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: against good teams or even teams on the same level
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: as the Patriots, would you consider using a high round
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: draft pick on the QB next year? Should we save
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: this one? Yeah, we're gonna table that one for I'm
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: gonna say early November. But I did throw that out
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: there today as a complete and total hypothetical to our boys,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: our group. Just if they don't have a good season
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: and you know you're out of the playoff hunt in
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: November and you're sort of in line for a say
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: a top five, top ten draft pick, would you use
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: that first round pick on a quarterback? And I don't
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: think it's an easy answer. Now, you definitely need the
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: whole this whole season of view, and you need to
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: marinate over the whole year, and even then with the
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: amount of needs that they have, I mean, you're you're
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent right about the quarterback. You got to
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: get the quarterback, and when you get a chance to
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: pick one up there, you got to get one. But
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: there are a lot of needs too, So you know,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, if someone looking for that pick and you
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: can fill four or five needs with it, as opposed
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: to taken one guy too that there's a lot of
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: different things that play, But in terms of MAC, I
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: kind of feel like I'm in the middle, and I
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: feel like I've been in the middle on MAC from
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the start. You know, based on what I've seen, I
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: think he can play. I've never ever said he stinks.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I've never said that he's not the answer. I've also
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: never said I'm completely convinced that he's the franchise guy
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: moving forward. I feel like I'm in the middle, very
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: wishy washy, very abnormal place for me to be played
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: one year. I mean it's not, but it's a very
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: strange place for me to be in. But the guy's right,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: the email is right. I think if you ask the
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: vast majority of Patriots fans and the vast callers to
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: talk radio, they'll tell you that the quarterback is not
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: the problem. He's the guy, and he's being set up
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: to fail by the offensive structure. I am not convinced
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: that that's the case. I'm not convinced that he's a bum,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: but I'm not convinced that this is all because of
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Matt Patricia and Joe Judge. I think he needs to
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: play better. I think he looks to me like a
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: guy who can be fine when all the pieces are
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: in place, when he's getting protected, when guys are popping open,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: and he has a full compliment of guys that maybe,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: you know, against a defense that's not talented enough, then
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I think he's fine. He's showed he showed me the
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: ability that he can do that. But he has yet
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: to show me the ability that when a play is
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: breaking down and they're down two scores in the middle
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: of the fourth quarter, that he can do enough to
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: rise the team above all the bad stuff that's going
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: on and overcome it. Yeah, I mean, you know, I
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: don't I don't want to undercut anything Evan did, but
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: but I didn't watch some of the All twenty two
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: myself last night. It's just frustrating for me. Paul, I'm
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: out number. It's just that when he's he's not taken
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: the gimmes, you know, or or it seems to me
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: like there are guys open downfield. There are windows downfield
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: at times, and I'm not going to tell you that that.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Look at all the guys that were open but I
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: think that there were windows to throw where he passed
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: them up sometime I'm not even looking at him choosing
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: to take the check downs, you know, choosing to take
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: the shots. The protection was bad on a couple plays,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: for sure, yep, but generally and I think that, but
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: I think that's part of the problem. I saw it
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: happening to Drew and I saw it happened early in
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Tom's career. Now Tom overcame it, and then very late
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: in his career you saw it come back again. Like
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: the very end of the Tom Brady era here in
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: New England involved him dropping to the ground on a
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: lot of sacks. But like, I'm pulling the plug and
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I've seen that. I saw it Sunday night in Dallas
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: in some of those red zone where Michael Parsons was
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: coming and he just was getting down because I think
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: he lives to fight another day. Now it's a little
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: different when the game is on the line. Yeah, But
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: that was the other thing we were talking about some
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: of these some of the armchair quarterbacks on Twitter, like
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: this guy's opened, that guy's open, and I'm like, well, okay,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: well you had a lot of praise for the quarterback
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: in one of your h you know, commentaries, and then
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: the next commentary you're showing me all these open guys.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: So you tell me Mac had a bad game, because
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think anybody really said that, not too many anyway.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: So again, I just think people just worked themselves into
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: pretzels to make everything all Matt Patricia, Joe Judge set
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: up to fail. No, there's no nuance to it, there's
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: nothing else to it. Yeah, they don't run enough creativity,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: they don't do enough play action. They're not doing enough
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: to help Mac Jones. They're not protecting him. Yeah, I
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: think some of the big too. He needs to get comfortable.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: He needs to get on the same page, I think.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: And that's like and and I'm you know, very excited
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: to get Evans, you know, thoughts overall, just on the
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: offensive design. But I mean I came away rewatching it
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: yesterday just being like, he's leaving plays on the field
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: on the field, you know, And I don't think that
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: it should be flawless. He shouldn't be, you know, carving
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: these guys up. But I just didn't see the confidence
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: that you know, he kind of saw last year where
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: it felt like he knew he could get the ball downfield,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: and you know that the guys were going to be
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: there for whatever reason, and maybe, you know, maybe getting
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Kendrick Borne more involved, he was a little bit more
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: comfortable throwing to him at this point. Um, But I
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't disagree. I think you know, Mac
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: needs to he needs a good game. He needs to
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: go out and really put together a strong performance, because
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: I think what that emailer expressed was what a lot
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: of us are thinking. It's just every week, it's kind
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: of feeling like the same, especially when you go for
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: a whole offseason and you're expecting something new, something different,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: and you know it's it's it's not at all what
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: you're hoping for. Uh Yeah, David writing in David Bethlehem,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: fed of five surgeries. He doesn't know an X ray
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: can help diagnose gross fractures dislocations, so they don't provide diagnosis.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: A soft tissue needs an MRI cat skin. Mac likely
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: had an MRI. If he plays, likely it's a muscle strain.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean he had I mean, I'm sure
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: he had an MRI. When he got back they were
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: doing the Bill said further testing. When he gets back
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: to Foxborough or someone maybe Bill didn't say that after
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: the game, but someone after the game said he'll have
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: further evaluation in Foxborough. I'm sure that involves scans, right, Yeah, yeah,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, I yeah, he didn't have a broken you know,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: you know, a pile dry. It was like, yeah, he
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: didn't have a broken bone or you know, I just
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: wonder if it's more than just spasms. That's all right, Well,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: and it's always hard because well he's going into the
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: X ray room, so you know, but also might be
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: where they're just going to. And everybody was telling us
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: how bad he looked when he was walking. If you recall,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: it was a very stiff, very very stiff. This guy.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Look at this guy. Yeah, ready to go. I'm trying
• 44:57
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  Speaker 1: That that was a good one. When you put it
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  Speaker 1: that they don't look like themselves. I didn't get his
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  Speaker 1: fixation with that mentor was a great performance, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: but you know, that's one of those moments in p OH.
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  Speaker 1: I almost called it PFW progress history used to be Well,
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  Speaker 1: the man is here, Evan Lazarre. But I think maybe
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  Speaker 1: should we play the mic has returned from practice, just
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: for old time's sake perhaps, and uh, you know, just
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  Speaker 1: to set the stage. Evan. All right, So Evan, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Jill new Hampshire. That's right. So Evan, you're back, you're
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: out of practice, you've been watching the film. We've missed you.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: We're excited to get some of your analysis here. Um.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: But let's let's start with the first things. First practice,
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: what's going on out there? Mac Jones at Patriots practice today.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's really surprising that we got to
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: see him very short window here today. I think we
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: were out there for maybe ten total minutes if that,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: so we didn't see him move around much, and they
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: cut us off right as after stretching, so not a
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: whole lot to glean about how he was moving or
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: how he looked out there. But Mac Jones is out there.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: They actually had perfect attendance on the fifty three man roster,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: which means Adrian Phillips was also out there who got
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: injured during in the Miami game as well, So good
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: attendance for the Patriots. Again. Didn't get to actually see
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: them do much today, so maybe tomorrow we'll get to
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: see Mac move around a little bit more. All right, So,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, we got an hour left, and I want
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: to go through this like piece by piece because I
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: know that you're probably like a damn just ready to
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: burst and just like unleash, like ten straight minutes of analysis.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Not as here, but you know, there's so much to
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: digest from the first game, and we haven't talked to
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: you here in a couple of weeks. So thanks COVID,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: let's say, can we allowed to let that out? Yeah,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Evan on the reserve COVID nineteen list, you're allowed. We
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: just didn't because fair enough got a little little bit
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: of this, a little bit of the cold, some secrets,
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: but not that he's fine. You've been reading all his writing,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: he's been he's been still knee deep in it as always,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: but um, you know, just generally, let's just just start
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: at the very very top and generally, you know, watching
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: the game again and then all too twenty two and
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: breaking it down, you know what, what did you kind
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: of come away just because I know you watch it
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: for your opinion and you're not you know, trying to
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: follow storylines. You just you know, come away with what
• 59:32
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• 59:34
  Speaker 1: a couple of the headlines that you came away from. Well,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: I want to start on a positive note because I
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: think that's that's the way. It's the stage that we
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: that we wanted to, you know, set the stage. Yeah,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: I thought this was looking back on it and watching
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: the game back, A good game for the Patriots defensive front.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: They played the run pretty well, they got after to
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: Uh He's a quarterback that, as you see, especially as
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: the game wears on, pressure really affects it him and
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: his accuracy down the field. And I actually thought I
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: wanted to watch this game. And I go in with
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: no priors or nothing, but I really did want to
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: watch this particular game and say, wow, what a great
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: performance by the Patriots secondary. This secondary minus Jacy Jackson,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: minus Stefan Gilmour, if you want to include him, went
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: out there and stopped a really talented group of skill
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: players for Miami. I didn't come away with that takeaway.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: I came away with the fact that a lot of
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: the downfield opportunities that Miami might have had in the
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: game were taken away by the pressure upfront. So still positive,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: right that the pressure was the one that impacted the
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: game a little bit more. Dietrich wise had a great
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: game led the team before QB pressures. Matthew Judon was
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: in the backfield quite a bit as well, so I
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: thought that was a positive. I think then one thing
• 1:00:49
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• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: it for the next fifty six minutes or whatever it is.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: But I think the one thing that I came away
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  Speaker 1: much on personnel and all. They don't have the talent,
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• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: So the personnel is what it is. I think the
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: biggest thing that I came away from that game was
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: the stagnation of the offense where there's nothing happening pre snap,
• 1:01:22
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• 1:01:26
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• 1:01:44
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• 1:01:46
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• 1:01:54
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• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: backfield and jet sweeps, end a rounds, things like that.
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  Speaker 1: And the Patriots just did none of that. And I
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: just don't know if you're going to be a successful
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: offense without having dominant skill players. Like a team that
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  Speaker 1: was like that was the early two thousands Indianapolis Colts
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• 1:02:18
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  Speaker 1: The Patriots don't have the kind of talent to just
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: be better like that. They have to dress it up
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: a little bit more. So, I mean, do you feel
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: like this, I don't want to say the word remedial offense,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: but it just seems like I also don't want to
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: say that they just pulled it from Madden, but I
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: mean it does this seem like two guys who don't
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: really know what they're doing trying to come up with
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: enough NFL offense. I don't know where the number one
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: issue is here with that, because I think the easy
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: answer is to say they have two guys that don't
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  Speaker 1: no offense inside and out like Josh McDaniels does, or
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: even a Mike McDaniel on the other side on Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think all offseason and
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  Speaker 1: all training camp as well preseason, we kept on here
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  Speaker 1: that the Patriots were simplifying the offense. They were streamlining
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  Speaker 1: it is how Bill Belichick put it in a good way,
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  Speaker 1: like they did they streamlined it too much. Yeah, Like,
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  Speaker 1: that's the honest question because with McDaniels, and I know
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  Speaker 1: people had some nitpicks with McDaniels as well, but on
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: the whole with McDaniels, creativity was extremely high. Some of
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: the different quarks or tricks that they used with motion,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: with play action to try to gain leverage for receivers,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: to try to get open receivers on the move, things
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: like that. We're always very, very good, and in this
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: game it was just very staggnant. I called it after
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: the game unimaginative, and that's the way that I looked
• 1:03:40
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• 1:03:44
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• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: in one two personnel groupings two tight end and eleven
• 1:03:52
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• 1:03:55
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• 1:04:15
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• 1:04:17
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• 1:04:21
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• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: a very similar takeaway from the entirety of the game
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: as Mike and I did. Yeah, because I think Mike,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: you and I were we watched enough. Yeah, So sorry,
• 1:04:36
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• 1:04:39
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• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: would love to look at the offensive I heard that once.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: I heard it fifteen times Monday morning. It was as
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: bad as I thought. They moved the Paul better than
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: I thought. It was worse than what were you watching? Well,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: let me ask you this, though, I mean, how many
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: instances were there that you felt like Mac just wasn't
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: seeing it and didn't hit the play like it could
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: have potentially had. I would say three or four times.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: And the main thing that I saw about what he
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: wasn't seeing was, you know, they're trying to attack a
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: certain area of the defense. And this is what I
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: thought was concerning gone Mac and I wrote about it
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: in my film review, is that last year you never
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: saw him read the coverage incorrectly very often. He's a
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: very cerebral quarterback. The one thing that he definitely can
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: hang his hat on is his mental capabilities. And he
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: never really saw too many instances like I could probably
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: count like one or two plays a game where I
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: said I probably didn't read it out correctly. There in
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: this game, there was a lot of instances of that,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: And I think that that has nothing to do with
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: Mac regressing. It's I think more just comfortable level and
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: understanding what's going on around him. And there's a couple
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: of different throws I highlighted in that piece where they're
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: trying to high low defender in the middle of the
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: field and he throws it outside the numbers, or they're
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: trying to do some different things to get guys open.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: But I think the main thing you saw was, look,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: it was a handful of plays they basically cycled through
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: like Okay, we're gonna run this play four times, we're
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: gonna run this play, we're gonna run this play, We're
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: gonna run this play, and kind of like put them
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: in buckets, right, and then he just kept on cycling
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: through those same plays. I mean, I can't tell you
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: how many times I saw them run what I would
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: call like branch like the vertical on the outside with
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: it out underneath it. They ran that play a dozen
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: times on Sunday, And that's just not the Patriots offense, Like,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: that's not what we're used to seeing. We're used to
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: seeing so much more, just a wider berth of things
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: at their disposal, and that's not what we got. Pred
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: I came down to just here to be educated. I
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: thought you were coming in hot with them. I did
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: that for yesterday. Yeah, there's a difference. You learned me something.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: So Evan, who is our guy who really watches the tape? Right,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: I'm sure as have you? Have you been the show
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: the whole show or did you come from Oh you
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: just came in good. So I didn't miss much. Um,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: how disrespectful to us. So he didn't learn anything yesterday
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: and just staying on the offensive side of the ball. Yeah,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: how did you feel the line played? Because I hear
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of people saying it's not Max's fault, it's
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: the old line. You know, how did you feel the
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: line played? So there were definitely obviously we know what
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: the strip sack. There was another sack where it was
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: ag Buddis came unblocked up the middle. Those types of
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: plays did happen a few too many times from my liking.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: But when you actually go ahead and watch it and
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: start to tally pressures or like what PFF does when
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: they attract quarterback pressures and things like that. It didn't
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: like amass to that many. But I think what the
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: biggest problem was was that there were instances where Mac
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: was sensing it or feeling the pressure more so. And
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying he was seeing ghosts or anything like that.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: It's just like guys were getting beating a little bit right,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: like you have something right like coming a little bit
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: off the edge or it's a stunt, and you know,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: they twisted up front and Cole Strange and Trent Brown
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: are picking it up on the left side and it
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: gets picked up, but it doesn't get picked up right like.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: It's not like those guys gets stopped in their tracks.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: And that's when the quarterback is going to start to
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: be a little bit skittish in the pocket and feel
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: it a little bit. And I think, you know, the
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: numbers bear this out. The amount of times that Mac
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: had to get the ball out of his hands was
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: too often, and he didn't have that ability to stand
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: in the pocket for three three and a half seconds
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: and really scan the field. And I'm not saying that
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: there were a ton of open receivers that he missed either.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: But I think that you have to have some more
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: trust or some more continuity on the offensive line to
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: allow him to kind of stand there a little bit more,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: because there was too many times where he you know,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: I kind of feel it over here on the left,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: I kind of feel it over here on the right.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: It wasn't necessarily like guys were running through, but you
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: just see sort of little inklings of Okay, this is
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: what he's sensing, this is what he's feeling. Yeah, so
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: it's it's I was like, it's kind of on both ends.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: You know, like Mac could do a better job just
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: moving slightly in the pocket, giving himself more time, and
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: then like you said, you know the line just you know,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: just keeping it a little bit more clean. But it's
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: never going to be perfect. I mean this like rarely,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: when when you do see that perfect pocket, the announces
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: always picking look at that pocket, because it doesn't always
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: happen on every play. In fact, it's rare. Yeah, you know,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: I think like where I'm stuck living right now, and
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: even more so after you know, hearing your observations, it's
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: just you know, I think there's two parts of Mac
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: getting comfortable and Mac you know, learning to trust his
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: pocket presence and you know subtle things that we saw
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: last year where you just seemed to be able to
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: take that nice little step to the left and make
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: a play. But I also wonder like, even if he
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: gets to that level of comfort, is this an offense
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: that is going to work at the NFL level even
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: if he's executing it at at a high level. And
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: a b part to that is are they laying some
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: kind of foundation where you could say, well, they can't
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: do it yet, Well, that's the thing. Are they gonna
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: get Are they going to start to add to this
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: and become more diverse as far as there see Patriots
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: fans don't want to hear we're using the season as
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: a way to grow, but that could be in fact
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: what they're doing. But there's always an element of finding
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: your identity, and you know it doesn't have to be
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: always so extreme one way or the other, but you know,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: is there an identity to be found within this scheme
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: that they're trying to perform And it just doesn't seem
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: very layered. It doesn't seem very much like like I mean,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: to your point saying you can. You can do that
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: simple stuff when you have the athletes in pure speed
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: and athleticism to beat guys. But what you had last
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: year was Josh McDaniel's ability to use your elements and
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: have trick plays and little and motion and we're constantly
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: spinning the dial on offense and keeping and that's such
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: a big element of making successful. Now we're seeing these
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: guys who and I still feel like they're underachieving. I mean,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: we talked about that yesterday. It still feels like this
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: group of weapons is and what say, what you're called stink? Yeah,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: I don't think they sink. Think they have any playmakers.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: They don't have any dynamic playmakers. No, but but I
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: think they're average. I don't think they have full steps either.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: That's stinking. Yeah. I think they have representative players. They're
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: middling kind of wide receivers. They have a bunch of threes. Yeah.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: I'll sound like a broken record with this all season
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: because I don't think it's going to change based off
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: of what we've seen. If they add some what I
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: would call like tools to the play design, right, like
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: motion or play action or RPO or some sort of
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: trick or bell or whistle to what they're doing currently,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: then I can start to get behind it. And I
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: think what you look at with the Dolphins is I'm
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: watching the Dolphins save this is Mike McDaniel. He's a
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: rookie head coach. He's young, he's not an experienced coach.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: And at that in the very first game that he
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: is coaching as a head coach in the NFL, and
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: the very first game that all these Miami Dolphins are
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: playing in offensively to a first game with Mike McDaniel
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: and so on and so far. I mean Twa and
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: Tyreek playing for the first time together in an NFL game,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: and there was just so much more complexity to what
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: they were doing. And you see the impact that that
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: has on the defenders, Like, okay, so you have jet
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: motion coming across, then there's a play action fake and
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: now we gotta get to our spots and be in
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: the right place defensively. That's a lot of window dressing
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: to dissect for the defense, Whereas with the Patriots, it's
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: just there's two receivers over here. There's two receivers over here,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: everybody go up the field. That's a lot easier to dissect.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: And you see with the Patriots defense, you see linebackers,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: You see their safeties have to get wide because of
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: the jet motion and the other things they were doing
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: pre snap, and all of a sudden, there's just a
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: lot more going on for the defense to account for,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: and the openings, the passing windows are so much larger
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: because guys are getting pulled in different directions by different tricks,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: by different tools that Mike Vick Daniel has its exposal.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: So Matt Patricia Joe Judge might be newer offensive coaches.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel isn't. But he's a new head coach. And
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: yet in Week one, game one, Miami is already doing
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: all these things. And honestly, I don't think two is
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: that great of a quarterback, but he's able to almost
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: throw for three hundred yards against the Patriots because he's
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: getting all this help and because he has Tyrek Hill,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: which is obviously very ill. That said, what was your
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: overall impression of the Patriots defense? I thought their front
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: was good. I got the secondary got bailed out a
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: few times by the front. I think what you saw
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: out of the secondary, though, that I did like, was
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: their ability to mix and match coverage, so they were
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: not just playing man or just playing zone. They were
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: able to mix and match and go back and forth
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: it they rotate the safeties a little. I think that
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: hurt them a little with Adrian Phillips going out. I
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: think there was a bigger plan to be a little
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: bit more multiple on the back end that they weren't
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: able to do because Adrian Phillips gets injured. But I
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: did like the ability to disguise, and I think that
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: this group kind of like the offense, like you don't
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: have Stefan Gilmore and jac Jackson and Jason McCardy out
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: there anymore or so you have to be able to
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: be a little bit smoke in mirrors, and I thought
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: they had that sequencing going. I am so not concerned
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: about the coaching on defense. Like the coaching on defense
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: look sound. They look like a Patriot defense on tape
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: for the most part. Yeah, there's some one on one
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: matchups that obviously Tyree Hill is going to get his
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: He's gonna get open sometimes. Jaylen wall is a really
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: fast guy too, so he's gonna get some separation. But
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: for the most part, they look like they are in
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: rhythm with each other dad. I think is another positive
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: that you can take away is I think, you know,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: Bill Steve gard Mayo, like they still have that group
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: playing at a pretty well connected and high level. Yeah yeah,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: it would you say, kind of zone really down similar
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: they're playing cover three and then little man stuff and yeah, yeah,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: there was a lot of man coverage on third down.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: They ended up playing twenty four snaps in zone and
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: eleven snaps in man. So and that's past attempts, I
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: should say. So eventually they did play some man. But
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: that was a similar sequence think to what we saw
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: down in the stretch last year. And I know people
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: are gonna say, oh, well, they stunk down the stretch
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: last year, but during the seven game win streak, changing
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: to that type of balance was really what got the
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: defense going. It faded, but hopefully you can tap back
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: into that winning streak and how the defense was playing
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: then and that's what it was. And I think that
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: that's a good identification by the coaching staff because we've
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: ragged on them quite a bit already. That's when Bill
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: took it over, yea, that it gave him beat. It's
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: a good thing for the coaching staff to recognize Okay,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: we don't have the man coverage guys that we had
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. To play man you know,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: sixty percent of the time, that's not going to work
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: with this group. So they've changed and evolved to more
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: zone coverages. Off the beaten topic for the group, I mean,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: do you think the least going in the direction where
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: you just can't get enough cornerbacks to match up with
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: the amount of weapons the teams have in this league?
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that there's more of and
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: I know Staley and that kind of stuff is played
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: into a little bit. Do you think, like, I mean,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: it's this part of a conscious decision to say we
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: can't try to just simply be a man team. We
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: need to probably play more zone and man in certain spots.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, like there's just so
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: many teams where I don't know who can match up
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: with feeling and justin Jeffers like, who what team out
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: there is? Like, oh yeah, we got two great corners
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: for that in our third corner. You know, like it
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: seems like that might be a direction that the league
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: is going. Generally, it's getting tough. I mean, but in
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: ten years, you know, God willing, we're all still around,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: we might be saying, Wow, the NFL has really shut
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: down the pass. They figured it out, coaches have figured
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: you know, like it goes in cycles, yea, And right
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: now we're in a past happy cycle and the rules
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: have been changed to promote that, and you know everything's
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: leaning toward that. But you know who knows? Yeah, well,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta take it. Let's take this call
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: from Elder real quick. He says, he's gonna say, but
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: Paula might can't. So, Hailder, what's going on? What do
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: you got, hey, doll, how y'all doing today? Good? H
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: I'll watched the game too, I had to watch on films.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: I'd blacked out. What y'all Kate saying is for the team?
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: All this a GM Bill and Evans just proved the
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: point about officeive coordinator. The desk was the problem is,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: you know, and plus madness a problem too. You missed
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: some miss some plays, some throws. But you can't do
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: that if you were about getting your bell rung all
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: the time. Last year, our strength was our offensive line.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: But you got rid of Mason and you got rid
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: of Carressed. Did you get the strange and you got
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: these these other guy on the guard side and it's
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: when you and then, like I said, it's no no trust,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: no bund there yet. Plus you don't have an officersive
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: line or coordinator that's worked the line because you got
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: Matt Patricia gonna call plays and he can't do both
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: of the work the line and straighten out strange or
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: tell Brown what's wrong or whoever. So the problem is
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: the head office. And if you know Matt, if you
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: know but Daniel was leaving, you should have got oldt
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: coordinator and then you have somebody training under them. And
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: I don't see why the devil you don't get that
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: boy shot at least least don't about outfit, maybe about
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: moving emotions and play the stuff like that better than
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: Matt Patricia and Jod. But like I said, it all
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: goes on feel. And if I can't see, I'm gonna
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: win my bit, get rid of maybe Biggie dropping bombs
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: as usual. Thanks Eldred, All right, yeah, yeah, I mean
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: Bill said, ultimately it's on me. Well before you came in, Fred,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: I know that you didn't really care about anything until
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: practice was over. But um, we were talking about Kendrick
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: Bourne because you said you didn't miss anything, and because
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: Evan just got here the rocket shot you took it.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: Me and Mike very very hurt, right, very very hurt.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: I meant that I didn't miss anything that Evan said, right,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: It was very defensive, right, and Mike and Mike and
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: I are very hurt. I didn't even want to read
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: you guys. I know what you feel from Yester. But
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: we were talking about the bill responsibility, and I took
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: a little exception with the whole Kendrick Bourne thing. Tom
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: Curran's report, which I give him all the props in
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: the world for being the guy who actually came out
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: with something at least definitive. I'm not telling you why
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: he didn't play snaps on Sunday, but something definitive is
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: to something that happened. Problem. Yeah, you know, of course
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: everybody already knew that based on Twitter because they all
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: immediately right, you know. But but good for Tom Current
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: for actually reporting it. And he sort of indicated that
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: it's Patricia and Borne budding heads. And that's where I
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: take a step back, and it's like that very mill
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: well could be the case, they might not be getting
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: along or whatever, but don't tell me that's why Kendrick
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: Bourne played two snaps on Sunday, because if Bill wanted
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: it another way. Bill has told us many times this summer,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: don't worry about play calls, don't worry about the process,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: don't worry about this, that and the other thing. It's
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: ultimately all on me. Then I'm responsible for it all.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: It all falls on my shoulders. So when a guy
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: doesn't play in a game, he plays two, Bill has
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: to sign off. That's Bill, that's not Matt Patricia. Don't
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: blame it like this is exactly what we said all offseason.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: Everything that goes wrong with this team is going to
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: fall on Maddie p and Joe Judge. And that's not fair.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: It's all Bill. Bill set it up this way, and
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: Bill teld you give the blame to him, right, So
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: now that it's happening, be consistent. Yeah, you know, I
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: don't know if Kern was just stating a fact or
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: at least what he heard. Right. He wasn't saying, oh,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: it's Maddie's fault or anything. I think, but you've seen
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: how it's been been taken. Oh right, absolutely, Yeah, that's
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: not what Kern was saying though, But that's how it
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: was interpreted that no, no, no, and I give I'd
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: be rich if I had a nickel for every time
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: I read this Morning Up. Patricia did the same thing
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: with Malcolm Butler. You know, he didn't like he had
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: a problem with Butler, and he didn't let him play.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: And now he's got a problem with um. Which is
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: why I make my born in mynocky comments of when
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: Evan's talking about the seven game winning s Jake lad No, no, no,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: that's when Bill took over the defense from them. But
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: and then you know on day after Christmas, when they
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: didn't force a punt from Buffalo, he gave it back
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: to them. He thought they'd had it fixed. But in
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: both those occasions, if you thought, you know, even if
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: Patricia said Bill, I don't think that Malcolm Butler should play,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: if Bill didn't agree with that, Malcolm Butler would have
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: been playing. You know, Bill has to sign off on it. No,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: it's just an easy way to put everything on Matt
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: Patricia or on somebody other than Bill. Yeah, and he's
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: the head coach, he's ultimately you know, the Broncos to me,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: had a complete meltdown Monday night with the way that
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: they handled the last minute. If that was the Patriots,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: it would be mat Patricia's fault. Right, He's the offensive coordinator,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: He's the one to go No, it's the head coach
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: who's dictating what you're doing. Now. I know Nathaniel Hackett
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: is calling them. I understand the differences, but he's the
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: head coach. He's deciding what you're doing. Right, He's the
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: one who said no, no no, no, we're gonna go for
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: the sixty four yard field goal. Yet not the offensive coordinator,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: not the wide receivers coach, on the offensive line coach,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. That's I mean, that's why
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: they get paid a lot of money. There's only thirty
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: two of them, right, they get a lot of responsibility
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: and they have to take the credit and the blame.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: And the other part of the report too, was that
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: that mister Kraft noticed it. I forget how they worded
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: it exactly like he took made it like really like
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just remember in training camp. I
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: think we were doing the show up on the ramps
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: during Carolina joint practices and we laid out the Kendrick
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: Boorne timeline. Yeah, all the things that had gone on,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: and we didn't even know about the showing up that
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: was to break out, right, We didn't even know about
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: that yet. And we were because at that time we
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: were seeing Kendrick Boorne rep as the fourth receiver on
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: the depth chart, and all of us were writing and
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: talking about why is Kendrick Borne falling down the depth chart?
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: And now Tom Kerrn reports that there's also a late
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: meeting or whatever it was on game day and this
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: has been going on. My point is this has been
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: going on for a lot longer than just Sunday, Like,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: this has been going on for weeks, and we saw
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: in training camp he was not a big part of it.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: In training camp he was down on the depth chart then.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that I agree with it, but
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that if you read all of the
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: between the lines, this is not new with Kendrick Bourne,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: that he is not a major part of their offense.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: He had a very quiet training camp. He was repping
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: a lot with like the one bees right, the four string,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: fist string guys in terms of the wide receiver group.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: And here we are he's not a big part of
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: the offense. I mean, what does it say about him
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: as it like that he can't get this remedial offense,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: like like I mean, is he just No, I don't think.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: I think he thinks he knows the offense better than
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: they do. This is his offense in theory. Who born
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: you mean? Yeah, because when you're not talking about Cisco No, No,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: I was. Yeah, I don't know if it was current
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: story or something I read it. It wasn't that he
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: didn't get it. He wasn't targeted or no. Yeah, he
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: wasn't on board with how they were installing it, how
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: they were going about it. That's what I'm saying. He
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: knows it better than they he feels he does, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, again,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: like Evan said, I'm not telling you that's what it is, right,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: I'm just telling you that's the problem. Yeah, So I
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's well, the other part that we said, uh,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: Freddie at the beginning was now you like watch how
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: this unfolds, you know, Mike brings up Robert evidently said,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: you know, took note of it. So I'm assuming that
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: Kendrick Bolle is gonna be a bigger party in the
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: owner's box with no question mark question mark question mark no,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: ask Bill about he's going to talk. Doesn't he has
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: someone who would write that for him, So where's my
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: note person? I assume that Bourne will be a bigger party.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, he can't be a smaller party being active
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: if if it's any less than what he was Sunday, right,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming he's going to play back to a regular
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: Kendrick Boe role in terms of number of snaps. Okay,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: and now everyone's gonna think it's because Robert told him
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: to do No Bill, Bill told pet should knock it off,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: play him, he's one of your better player. No, yeah, No,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: I think it's going to be Patricia's fault that he
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: didn't play in the first game. Okay, like continuation, but
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: everything is Matt Patricia's. There will be that, There will
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: be that, and it doesn't mean you can't criticize. Like
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: Evan had a very detailed breakdown of all the things
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: they're not doing in terms of imagination offensively, so a
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: lot of that comes under Matt Patricia. He's the guy
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: who's supposed to be running the offense, and they used
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: to be in extremely imaginative offense in terms of finding
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: ways to get the ball to different guys in space
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: and you know, the same lack of playmakers. They were
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: finding ways to get guys wide open last year at times.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: Now it definitely petered out down the stretch. But he
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: gets blamed for everything. Yeah, everything. I just don't get it.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: I don't get why they thought how they thought this
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: would work, like to to just will kind of wing
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: it with an offense. We'll put in some wide zone
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: runs and you know, we'll just simplify will only run
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: a very limits the thing. You know, we're assuming, because
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: Patricia is calling the plays that he's also the architect
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: of the offense. That may not be the case, and
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: it could Bill better be Bill, Like, are you talking
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: about the architect of an offense? You're talking about a
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: guy who innovates an offer. No, no, no no, I'm talking
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: about like, going into this game, somebody said we're gonna
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: play at Vanilla. We're not going We're gonna you're talking
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: about the game Planet SLF going in? Who who who
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: said before the game, here's what we're gonna do offensively,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: here's you know, and Bill has to be the guy
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: that signs off on that class or at the very
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: least once he sees this isn't working. He's the guy
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: who tells Patricia, Okay, open it up a little bit,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: let's let's use some little smoke and mirrors, as Evan
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: likes to put it. But those things just feel like
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: basic necessary elements for an NFL offense that if you
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: don't do them and you don't have some kind of
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: disguise to your attack, that other teams are gonna tea off.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: It does. But you know, blame ourselves because this is
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: what we saw all summer, them trying to do rudimentary things,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: albeit some of them new, and not doing it well.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: And you know, Bill is a process guy, as he's
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: used that word, B doesn't come before A. You got
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: to do A before you get to be. And maybe
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: that's again how he's approaching the season. We got to
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: get a right before we can move on to B,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: and you know, let alone see and maybe that's what
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: he's doing. And again, Patriots fans may not like to
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: hear that because they want results now, but maybe Bill's
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: taking a more patient approach. Maybe I just need to
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: see progression, and I just I want to feel like
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: you're putting Mac in the best position to succeed, which
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: is just something I feel like I've been saying since
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: the day last season ended, of what is a bigger
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: priority than making sure he's comfortable and knows what he
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: is doing? And you know, to Paul's point that he's
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: been hammering, he doesn't look comfortable, he doesn't look like
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: he's seeing what they're trying to do. And if it
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: really is simple, is it simple enough? Is it like? What? Like? What?
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: What's where's the disconnect? If this is a simple offense
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: that somehow you can all get on the same page,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: maybe it's just the breakdowns are killing them and they
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: don't have confidence and therefore it's just not working. But again,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: that's kind of the point I'm stuck in the middle of.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe they're overthinking it. I don't know, Maybe Mac is
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: I think it's it's not complimentary football, right, And I
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: don't mean like the three phases and all that. What
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: I mean is is like with McDaniels, Okay, you run
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: power on first down, right guard poles run up to
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: the linebacker. Now here comes second and four. Now we're
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: gonna run power play actions. So we're gonna show you
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: the same action of the guard pulling, but now instead
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: of being a run play. It's play action, and now
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: we're throwing it at you and you're building a complimented things,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: right and then in the third quarter, we're gonna do
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: something else, all right, right in the third quarter, Like
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: against Buffalo in the in the win game, when they
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: throw a ball three times, they start the game with
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: the backside poll. Then in the second half they go
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: g lead, they go the front side poll. Now all
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're showing the defense two different looks,
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: same poll, but different areas of the offense. In this
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: offense right now, and the play calling on Sunday, it
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: felt like it was like, Okay, we got this bucket,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: this bucket and this bucket, and like this time we're
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: gonna run this bucket. Now we're gonna run that bucket.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: And the buckets were not together. The buckets need to
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: be together. And I think that that's the biggest thing
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: that you see with Mac. It's like what is our identity?
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: Like what are our what are we sequencing? What are
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: we trying to do here? Because right now it feels like, oh,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: well it's first and ten, let's go under center. Okay,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: it's second and four. Now we're gonna go spread now
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: we're gonna go back under center. Now we're gonna do this,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: and it just there's no continuity to what they're doing
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: on offense. And I think that you hear that it's
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: going to be a lot of Okay, well, isn't that
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: on the play caller? But I think what it's more
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: on is that there's not there's not enough birth to
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: the offense. There's not enough options at their disposal to
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: be different, to do some different things that showed some
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: different wrinkles. They're like playing Madden on when you can
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: do like this simple playbook and it only gives you
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: like four police stitching. That's what it feels like. It's
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: just like even a Madden I'm going through dozens of
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: players play action. Sure, I got our pos I got
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: the whole thing. Yeah, and to the Kendrick Bourne point.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: And we were talking about this earlier. I don't want
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: to rag on DeVante Parker, but DeVante Parker getting the
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: most snaps out of the wide receivers on Sunday feels
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: a little bit weird to me. He's really really good
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: at what he does. He's a big body, he's good
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: with contested catches, But I don't want Davante Parker being
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: the one that's stretching the defense right, Like, if you're
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: on the outside with Davanta Parker and I mentioned earlier,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: they're trying to run like the vertical with the out right.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: Nobody on Miami's defense when DeVante Parker was the on
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: that side of the field running the vertical, nobody cared
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: about DeVante Parker. They were not even looking at him.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: They were just like, we know you're trying to We
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: know you're trying to clear the out. You know, we're
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: trying to clear out the sideline. You know you're trying
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: to throw the out to Jcobe Myers, and we're just
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: gonna sit all over it. So at one point is
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: I think somebody posted the play on Twitter and Max
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: doing all the and signals and he's he's doing all
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: these things. Check they check. They check into the play
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: and it's vertical out on the sideline and two guys
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: go to Jacobi on the out route because DeVante Parker
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: is the one clearing out the sideline and there's no
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: threat on the vertical. So what with DeVante Parker, Hey,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: I would limit his snaps a little bit, like I
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: don't think he should be playing what was it fifty
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: nine snaps or whatever it was on Sunday. Give some
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: of those to Kendrick Bourne, who deserves him right and
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: should be playing more. But secondly to that, Nelson Agloor
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: is your clearout guy, like he's your speed guy, So
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: why isn't he the one that's clearing out the coverage
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: like what he did last year? That's the role they
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: played him every down outside the same thing Parky. So
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: Parker's a guy that you can get use in situations
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: like I think he's a viable red zone threat for
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: them to throw, you know, a fade or something like that.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: I think on third down if he's got a matchup
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: that you like, where he's match up against a smaller
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: corner and you think he can maybe box somebody out
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: or Mike Cheef I tortured Mike District. But yeah, I mean,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: I guess it's okay. We can talk about that now.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: Like I just didn't get it. I didn't get it
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: from the start. I didn't see him as a guy
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: who was gonna put any kind of stress on the defense.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: Doesn't mean I don't want him to have a role.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: And I think Evan's examples of things that he does. Well,
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: that's a role for him. And if that's like twenty
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: five thirty snaps, you know, you get backed up penalty
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: third and long. You know, maybe you're read your own
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: forty third and fifteen. You know, that's a hard that's
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: a hard conversion. Maybe throw one up on the sideline.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: See if he wins, wins a one on one battle,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: you know, gets a flag, you know, competing like on
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: a play like Sunday. Maybe he draws the flag the
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: next time when Howard has his shoulder. Um, but I
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: don't think that he's a guy that I have to
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: have everything revolving around. And when you play every snap,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: you're telling me that that's the guy you feel the
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: best about all the time. Right, I want him on
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: the field. I want Born and Agilore on the field
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: together at least some of the time. I think those
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: are your two most explosive guys. I'm not telling you
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: those guys are Jalen Waddle and Tyreek Hildy're not but
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: for the for this team, they're the fastest two receivers
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: they have. I mean, it's anybody gonna argue with that. No,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: Thornton out right right, right, Yes, well that one was
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: in there, that would be different, right, And I think Evan,
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, I remember you making the point during one
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: of the preseason things where they think at some point
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: they had Aglare and Thornton on the field together and
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: it was just like, oh, there's actually a couple of
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: guys that route concept that Evan's talking about, and you
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: have Agilore going streaking down the side. I don't think
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: Xavian Howard can just peek into the backfield and not
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: really worry about him. Yeah, he's got to make sure
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: he runs with him. He knew Parker wasn't running by him,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: which is a comment that I made several times when
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: I called him Nikhil Parker throughout the offseason. He doesn't separate,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: he can still can actually correct. He's a lot better
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: player than Nikil Harry because of his ability to win
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: those one on one battle and and and make some
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: contested catches. So I think that gives him some value
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: that Harry didn't. But I just don't think that he's
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: a like one hundred percent play time kind of guy.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: But to your point, then play him like you played Harry,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: like he's not your every down we need this guy
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: on the field. We need the defense thinking at all times.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: So what might they do with DeVante Parker? You know?
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: And even you know? But and then you gotta think
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: one's gonna have a role. But if you're gonna play
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: him like you played Harry, then you whiffed on a
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: free agent signing, right, I mean, yeah, you made money
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: and you didn't pay him to play. Like does he
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: have to play every down to get down? But he Yeah,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: I see what you're saying for it, and I think
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: he would play probably more than that, But I know it,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: Mike Man, it's not necessarily the number of snaps. But
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: like he's sort of you know, like the other guy,
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: he's a role and I think you might be able
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: to get him in the red zone. He specific set
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: of skills, right, He's that big group, right, Like this
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: whole group is not necessarily one dominant receiver. It's that
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: all of them together do some different things well, right,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: Nelson agalarc And I don't think they stink when you
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: said stink, I don't think the receiver were stinking, right,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: But then you have to use them right and maximize
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: the role that they're using him in what their skill set,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: and to spin it forward to Pittsburgh, they play a
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: ton of zone coverage. So the one thing that you
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: want to do with the zone team, you want to
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: flood the zone, right, So if you don't have anybody
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: that can clear out over the top to clear out
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: the zone on the boundary, to clear out the zone
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: over the top, then it's going to be smothering the
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: intermediate and the short stuff. Again and Mac completed one
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: pass between ten and twenty yards wells minutes left in
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: a two score in the NFL, Despite the halves and
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: the have nots, it's close enough where I don't care
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: if it's defense or offense. You cannot be predictable because
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: the other team will will eventually stop you. You can't
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: be predictable in this league. What I wouldn't give to
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: just hear what Brian Flores is thinking breaking down unless
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: you're unless you're amazing, well that have to be elite predicted.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: That's like when when we're talking about their receivers, like
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson, would you guys think, what do you guys
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: think of Cedric Wilson. He's like he's a good player. Yeah,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: if you had three Cedric Wilson's instead of Cedric Wilson
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: is number three behind Waddle and Hill. I don't think
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: your receiving corps is very good. I would take Cedric
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: Wilson on my team any day. Kendrick Bourne Nelson age,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: I think those guys are okay, But if you have
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: just Cedric Wilson, you don't have much. Yeah, And I
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: think that's what the Patriots have now complimentary altogether. There
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: should be ways that they can figure out to make
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: these guys more than match Mac and the offensive coordinator.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: I'm glad that you said it that way, or whoever
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: is you know, dictating the scheme of the of the
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: gotta make some play. It's gotta be Mac in the
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: coordinator to make that happen, to use those pieces, you know,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: and maximize their abilities. Well, I mean, we got a
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: couple of email Clay about this. We talked about in
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: the first hour of the show. Where's your confidence level
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: with Mac Jones right now? At a scale one to ten? No,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: on a scale of just how do you feel? I
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: mean then, because I mean, you know, we had an
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: emailer said, basically, since the Buffalo win game, throw maybe
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: the Jacksonville game out you just you haven't really seen
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: a good game from him against you know, good opponent,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: and you know it's we're into a second year now.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: At some point it's got to it's got to turn
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: around and look better. I have a tough time with
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: gauging what's going on with Mac right now because I
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: don't know how much of it is that Mac is
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: what he is right now, which is probably like an
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: average NFL quarterback but nothing special or elite, and they're
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: just not maximizing his skill set, and the tools at
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: his disposal or not help are not enough for him.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: Because we're talking about, you know, the things that we
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: were trying to do on Sunday on offense, and is
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: Mac throwing ten yard outs the best thing for Mac Jones? Like,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: is that really his skill set, like to be driving
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: the ball to the sideline? Or is his skill set
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: the middle of the field that's really where they should
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: be living. And I think I sent the picture to you,
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: Mike where it's like everything is either a checkdown or
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: it's outside the numbers and the middle of the field
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: is just a waste land of zero targets. Yeah, Like
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: there's just nothing going on in the middle field. Whatsoever,
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: And I posted for one off a linebacker's asking, Yeah,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: that was the one I think you should before that.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: When he has trouble in terms of you know, getting
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: near pits, it's usually down the middle he has troubled.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: To Evans point, well maybe he just doesn't have the
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: arm for it, right, you know, And the world's missed
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: out on a high level of entertainment by not having
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: Mike Deso's face live over the air. On the very
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: first pass of the game that he threw a like
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: a nine yard out to Jacoby Myers that took up
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: twenty five minutes to complete, and the look on Mike's
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: face was like just sheer terror. Like the ball was
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: like doesn't like incoming, doesn't come out, doesn't doesn't fly.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: And you think that that is just a physical thing
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: or a mental thing where he's just not confident enough
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: to step in and drive it. I mean, I think
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: it's a physical thing. But I think that, you know,
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: to Evan's point, I think his biggest skill was anticipation
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: and no one where to throw, and I think it's
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: you know, it's really hard to throw those throws with
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: perfect anticipation. I mean, I think of maybe Brady in
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl fifty one and overtime to Amandolo with that
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: one where it was just an average you know, one
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: of those total smoker right on the sideline, he gets
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: two feet in right at the you know. I mean
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: it's just it's flawless. So it's you know, but I
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: think Devan's point when you have a little crossers going
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: in front of you and you can see and I
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: mean I think when I rewatched it, those were some
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: of the ones that I felt like he missed. It
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: was you know, it was that was was just disturbing
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: to me, was that he was missing ones that I
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: thought he was good on last year, which is just
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: middle of the field there it is, get him, you know,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: Jona Smith's got a step on a guy, give it
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: to him down There wasn't a ton of it. But
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: that's what I think is distressing, is just that you know,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: they're not they're not losing with what he did best
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: last year. They're kind of losing with what we didn't
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: really think he did well. He's a quick game quarterback, right,
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: get the ball out of your hands, run, you know,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: slant flat hitch, you know, things like that. Quick game
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: and then He's also somebody that I think can make
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: layer throws over the middle of the field. I don't
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: want him to drive it up the seam twenty yards
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: down the field, but if they can highlow a guy
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the field and maybe get him
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: at ten yard target down the middle of the field,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: that's what I want to see more of. And that's
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: what they were doing enough of on Sunday to me,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: was really stressing that middle of the field coverage. Now,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: I think, to Mike's point, like a good thing about
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: Mac that I like also is just his ability to
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: see things quickly and process things. But he wasn't somebody
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: last year that would take would be too overaggressive, and
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: I thought on Sunday at times he was a little
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: bit over aggressive with the football, like the DeVante Parker interception.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: I think Belichick said it on Monday morning. Usually that
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: pay doesn't get intercepted. It's usually like a fifty fifty ball,
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: it gets deflected or it gets caught and it falls
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: on the ground and we play the next down. That's fine,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: but you're talking about crossing grats right on that play
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the field they had. They're in
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: twelve personnel. They have the tight at Johnny on one side,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: Hunter Henry on the other side, and they crossed in
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: the middle of the field and both of them I
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: think had body positioning to make a play on it.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: Johnny was the underneath crosser, Henry was like a little
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: bit further up the field on kind of like a
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: levels type of concept, and they had that opportunity to
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: throw there, and instead he attacks Xavian Howard of all
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: people over the top against DeVante Parker on first down,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: like even Hunter Henry was it would have been a
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: tight throw. But we've seen Hunter Henry box out and
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: make plays like that a lot over the last two years.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: Johnny has got like a step on a linebacker coming
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: over the middle, and he's your yat guy, Like if
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: you could put the ball in front of him, put
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: the ball on his hands, like on that play, who knows,
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: like that could be that could be a ten yard game.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: Maybe he breaks the tackle in the high red zone
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he's in the end zone.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: You just don't know. But instead he forces it outside
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: the numbers on the fade to Parker and it gets intercepted.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: He's got to be able to take the bunnies, like
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: the layups that are there in this offense. They don't
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: have the luxury for him to be over aggressive. And
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: I see a lot of people that say, oh, well,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: like people want Mac to be a gun slinger. I
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: don't want Mac to be a gun slinger, like he's
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: not Patrick Mahomes like, I don't want him to be
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: a gun slinger. I want him to make the smart decision,
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: throw to the open guy. Parker was not the open guy.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: Johnny Smith was the open guy, make the easy throws
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: and let everything else take care of itself. Yeah, they're
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: gonna put the ben voland offense in next year. I
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: think that'll he'll be the OCE next year. With his
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: piece today book getting away from Runt to anyone see
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: that everyone's looking to be blank, so I can yeah,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: I did see it, but I choose general terms. I
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: would just say no to tackle that one. He came
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: in high, but I voland came in high yesterday on
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: Maddy p just kind of I'm like, all right, this
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: ought to be good. And then it was like a
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: question about establishing the run, and I'm like that's kind
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: of strange. But then today you saw why that he was,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of saying that stemming off of David
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: Andrews saying that they lost their fast ball and they
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: couldn't run run the ball anymore, and how bad it
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: is that that's their fast ball running the ball. I'm sorry,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: we're all dumber now for having listened to me. Explains now. No,
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: but I would argue one of those things like did
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: you stop running the ball effectively ordered to score stop
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: you from running the ball, because I think both of
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: those things are kind of true. I think they got
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: off to a great start running the ball, but I
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: think they petered out. Yeah, and I think Steve ran
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: two run concepts, and when you only run two run
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: concepts the entire game, the defense figures out what you're
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: doing eventually, and it's kind of like a script like
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: they like their game plan in general specifically worked. They
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: came out and had the best success that they had
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: right out of the locker room. The problem was the
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: other team figures it out and adjust. Now what do
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: you do? And they didn't have any answers right when
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: I was based on with everybody's telling me it was
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of the same kind of stuff over and
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: over again. It worked initially, and I can see why
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: they stuck with We talked about that yesterday. I could
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: see why the first drive was a lot of repetition
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: because it worked. And then that's when Mike and I disagreed.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: Like I didn't think taking a shot is all well
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: and good, but if the guy's not open, you can't
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: just take a shot when the other guys better than you.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: A guy, especially unless he's liking and I would strongly
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: disagree also with the notion that those deflections don't generally
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: end up in interceptions harms way, I think I think
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: deflections more up. Oh, he didn't say that, though he
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: said those passes don't usually end up as well. I
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: would say contested balls get deflected a lot. Well, he didn't,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: he meant. He just said those types of passes don't
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: normally end up being intercepted because they're thrown in such
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: a way where only one guy has a shot at it.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: It was a bad throw. I thought he was through it.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: I think he unders threw him a little bit too,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: but I don't think so. I think it was a
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: worst throw. Yes, and it's first and ten from the
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: twenty two twenty three yard so go somewhere else, right,
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: That's what I would say. Even like I said on
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: the crossers were in the middle of the field with
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: Henry and Johnny, Like even if john a gainst five yards,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: Now it's second and five, you're in the red zone,
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: you're inside the twenty, and you play another down and
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: you've had nothing really at that point, nothing but successful plays. Right,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: it was five yards, seven yards, twelve yards, six yards.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: Like everything that they were doing was matriculating the ball
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: down the field. Boys, Like everything was working. Yeah, you
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: talk about the run game, though, Damian Harrison Romander Stevenson
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: are two of their more dynamic players with the ball
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: in their hands. So going away from those two guys,
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: I think is a huge mistake. I think that would
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: be a really big mistake. And I'm not a run
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: game type of guy. I liked the analytics. I know
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: you're supposed to pass the ball more in today's NFL,
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: But when Damien Harrison reminders Stevenson are gotta be two
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: year better skill players to take the ball out of
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: their hands. But I think with the run game, I
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: remember last year in Buffalo, I went back to the
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: win game. I'll go back to it again. I think
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: I charted sixteen different run plays that they ran, Like,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: it's just sixteen different schemes that they ran in that game.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: In Buffalo, they ran crack toss and they ran inside zone.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: That was it. That was all they did. In this game.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: They had a couple of wide zone outside zone plays
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: and I think they had three of those, so they
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: ran probably five concepts. And you don't have a fullback anymore.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: You're not running the gap downhill stuff as much anymore.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: So same with the passing game, like you're just running
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: the same plays over and over again, and eventually the
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: defense figures it out, and that's exactly what Miami does.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: And then you throw in there that you're not running
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: play action, So now you only run two play action passes.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: So what's keeping Miami off of the line of scrimmage, Like,
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: what's keeping them from stopping to run? Absolutely nothing? So yeah,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: it worked early on, but they had nothing to go
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: to once Miami figured it out. Yeah, I just wondered,
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: where's the middle ground? Like why, you know, I get it,
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: We don't need to run all these different const EPs
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: and the volume of that must be overwhelming in terms
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: of the playbook and the players but you also can't
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: run zero, you know, and and that's why I just
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: i'd love to have some kind of explanation that makes
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: sense to me if this offense is really as you know,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: simple as we're seeing here early on, of what was
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: the plan? I mean, I'm sure that what was the
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: plan like, but but I'm sure that the Bill Belichick
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: when he decided he was going to fix this or
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: you know, redo this offense, that there was a plan of,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: you know, how can we get our offense executing? You
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: can't look at the NFL right now without not thinking
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: about you got to put up thirty points a game, like,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of the bare minimum requirement to
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: be one of the elite teams in the league. So again,
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: maybe it will progress, but I just i'd love to
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: hear explain to me how how this is going to work.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: If this is really simpler and it's going to be
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: simpler for our players to execute, but the other team
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: apparently is going to know exactly what's going on to
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: and not really have a problem trying to figure out
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: how to stop it. The most optimistic view I've heard
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: of this whole thing is what Fred said, which was
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: maybe there is. Maybe they have to get aid correct
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: before they move on to be so maybe they're getting
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: inside zone correct. So then we can run inside zone
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: and then next week we can run inside zone play action,
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: and now we can put the two things together and
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: here we go. Now we have the offense. And maybe
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: they feel the same way about the route concepts, like
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: we're trying really hard to run these three route concepts
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: first and then we're going to start building in some
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: much different tweeks. Should that be an issue with the
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: amount of experience their players, all the professional football players,
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: like I mean, like well professional football players that have
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: all been here. Yeah, even you know, they're not all rookies.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: Tak Thornton is the only rookie. I mean, we're not ready.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: We're not ready for play action yet, guys, we're not
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: ready for play actions. Yeah, Like why do we Why
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: why have we not gotten a down to use Fred's
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: you know, analogy or why are we still working on
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: a because it really seems like a maybe like the
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: the the focus this year is to make sure they're
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: playing better into member than they are in September. So
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: they set a low bar in September. They can only
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: get better in December. I asked the question to McDaniels
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: last year about saving things for later on in the season,
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: they're saving things from the playoffs, and he was like,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: trust me, if I had a play up on our
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: white board that it was a guaranteed touchdown, I wouldn't
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: be saying to myself, you know what, I'm just gonna
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: wait to call that in January, Like, we're not going
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: to call that until we get I don't think they
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: really do, that is my point. Like, I don't think
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: they really save things so much as maybe they get
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: to a point later on in the season where a
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: specific matchup or a ponent or something like that is
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: better for certain things. But I don't think that they
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: sit there and they say, oh, this is the winning
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: for anything. When the Patriots were good, they go back
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: to things that worked later in the season. And I
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: would I would say that maybe in their heyday, when
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: you know, the good old days, that Deuce was bored
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: um and um didn't have any fun when you went
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: to the season. Now, when you went to the season
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: knowing you were going to be in the AFC Championship game,
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: was just to whether or not it was going to
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: be here. Or somebody or somewhere else. I would say,
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: there's there's maybe a chance that, say, like let's say
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: it was them in Indie or them in Pittsburgh or
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: them in Denver later on, you know what's going to
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: be those two teams. If they played in the regular season,
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: you could convince me that maybe they held some stuff
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: back knowing they we're going to see that team again
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Yeah, you might be able to convince
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: me that they didn't empty all barrels, right, But you
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: can't tell me that as a general rule, they're going
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: into regular seasons a not caring about September results and
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: be not worrying about doing what's best to win that
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: particular game each week. But my thinking is it's not
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: that they don't care, it's that Bill knows if I
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: go too fast, it's going to be even worse. So
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: I've got to take it one step at a time
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: with this team for whatever reason. And like you said, Paul,
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: it's weird because there's not a lot of rookies out
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: on the field, and I know, well, there there's one, yeah, range, right, Yeah,
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: that's it. And if you have to hold back for
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: one guy, then that's not good either. You're not holding
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: back for a guard unless unless you unless you consider
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: like the changes are enough to make Mac essentially a
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: rookie again, you know, I don't know, yeah, because again
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: we can't emphasize enough. It's Mac, it's mackets Mac. Yeah,
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: you good or bad. You had said something about the
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: outs a while ago. You know, is that a physical thing?
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: But you know, can he get it there? Or is
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: it a mental thing? And I do think that Mike
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: is right in general, like I don't think that's a
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: strength of his. I think he has to throw those
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: with some sort of anticipation to make sure he he
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: gets it, and that's a strength of his. But I
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: also think right now, I didn't see this last year,
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: but I've seen it this year, the mental part of it.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: And it's not necessarily not knowing what he's doing. It's
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: not trusting what he's doing, yes, and what he's seeing.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: And the past rush I think has been honestly trusting
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: the offensive line. He's not trusting what he's getting. And
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: I thought, you know, again, we talked about this a
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: lot yesterday before you came back. There was a stat
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: out there about the tiny percentage of plays that he
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: got more than three seconds to throw. Yeah, And you know,
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: Mike and Fred immediately were like, well, how many of
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: those did he just throw immediately upon getting the snap
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: because he's just taking a check down or whatever. And
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not that might be the play, But don't tell me, like,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: how many percentage of plays that took him to throw
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: the ball inside of three seconds? Tell me the percentage
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: of snaps that he was truly pressured on, yeah, because
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: I don't think that was an abnormally high number. Certainly
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: wasn't as bad as it was early last year. Miami
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: killed him in the opener last year. Yeah, that was
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: where he's sort of like throwing it backwards. He first
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: play of his career he threw backwards, right, But they
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: were all over him that day. Flores blitzed him mercilessly. Yeah,
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think they blitzed mercilessly the other day the
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: same way. Now, the biggest play of the game was
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: a blitz. Yeah, but but it also was only a
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: five man pressure right. Bill said they had the enough
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: people to block, they just didn't do it right. That
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: was one of the big things I watched in the game. Again,
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: that for me, it was like I think those free
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: rusher plays kind of overshadowed it, and it's part of
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: this story this summer of like the offensive line stink,
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: so people glommed onto that. But otherwise I thought that
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: there were pockets there. I don't. I don't think it
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: was great, but it wasn't the problem like when listen,
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: it's one of those you know, other than that, how
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: was the play? This is Lincoln, right, you know you
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: can't have the two sacks that they gave up. Not
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: like that. You can allow two sacks, but not because
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: there are two different plays that you just didn't block anybody. Yeah,
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: you get beat physically, fine, but you just nobody puts
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: a hand on him or even looks at him. So
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to tell you the offensive line was great.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: It wasn't, but I don't think it was as bad
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: it was. Balance of the thirty Yeah, those are mental mistakes,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: like a guy got bull rushed and like we just
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: don't have a guy. Okay, their guy was stronger than
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: our guy or had a jump on us. Yeah, the
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: balance of the thirty two dropbacks. I don't think he
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: was like under siege. There were times that he had
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: pressure and certainly that rough and the passer made and
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: he had a lot of pressure for what it's worth,
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: And I don't know, reading the room, I'm not sure
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: you guys are gonna like the analytics, but I'm gonna
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: do it. Anyways, PF had the Patriots and had the
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: Dolphins defense with four pressured dropbacks the whole game, and
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: you look at ESPN pass rush win rate, same thing.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: The Patriots actually graded out pretty well in terms of
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: pass blocking out. That didn't pass the eye test to me,
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: but I don't think it was nearly as bad in
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: pass protection as maybe people thought, because you and it
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: happens to all of us, like the strip sac just
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: like stands out right in your head, and just as
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: an analytic guy, Okay, this is what I would have
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: because I agree with exactly the way you said it.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: Four seems kind of low, but I don't think it
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: was much worse than that. Yeah, so you know, we
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: don't have to, you know, get into a fight on semantics.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: But if you were doing the analytics, yeah, what would
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: you grade the sack? But the two sacks because I
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: don't think that was like a pass rush win or loss.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: No one blocked them. It wasn't it was poor execution.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: It was does that not count in the four like right?
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: Among the endage of wind rate? Right? If I had
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: because even one of those guys, if I had to assign,
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: like who gave up the sack team, I would not
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: assign it to an individual player without knowing the call, right,
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: because I I don't know what who was responsibility was.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: I can I can guess or have an educated guess
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: at it. Like on the strip sack, my educated guess
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: would be that was Trent Brown's guy, but at the
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: same degree. But at the same time, when a guy
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: is blitzing from the second level, we kind of disguises
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: it comes up to the line of scrimmage and he's
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: further out than a wide nine, he's like a wide eleven. Well,
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: that's the other thing he's supposed to get that guy
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: because Hunter Henry was next to him. Right, So now
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: Trent Brown has a patriot in between him and a
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: guy creeping up that you didn't know for sure was
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: going to be there, Right? Is there a chance that
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: he didn't really even know he was there? Yes, and
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: just blocked down. I think he was already turned and engaged. Well,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: then I wonder if it's Maack to point it out
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: at that point, does he need it reload? And that's
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: why I took sort of note of Bill saying, well,
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: we had you know, it was five five, we had,
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: we had that we had enough guys to block them,
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: and then Mac the next day saying, yeah, better ask
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: Bill about the XS and os, because I think that
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: that was like I think Mac took that as like,
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: don't tell me I'm supposed to alter the protection there.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: We're coming down to the stretch here. Let's grab Jeff
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: Jeff in Texas real quick. Hey Jeff, what's going on?
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: Hey guys? Hey, hey, Um, so I had a play
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: like listening to Um And this actually goes back coming
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: into the season all along everybody complaining about, you know,
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: Patricia and Joe Judge making the calls, but and then
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: just listening to what Evans said about his report on
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: how you know Vanilla, Um, you know, the play calls
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: were for the Dolphins game. But I mean I'm wondering, like,
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: so we had Josh McDaniels was there for well like
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: fifteen plus years. We have all I mean, we have
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: records of all his play calls against all other teams
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: and even though like teams changed, the head coach might change,
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: or there's never the same players from year to year.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: But I mean, we know, you know, a lot in
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: the poking out for the team, Like we know their tendencies.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: We have a lot of ideas what plays work. So
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why it's like, oh, they don't they
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: don't have any creativity like how to call plays. I mean, again,
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: we have records of so many plays that Josh McDaniel's designed.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: Why can't we use some of those? But they don't
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: have any confidence in the personnel or they don't don't
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: have any trust or or I mean, I mean I
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: don't know the answer. I honestly don't know the answer.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: Thanks Jeff. I mean, it's not like they completely threw
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: away their playbook and started from scratch, right, I know. Yeah.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing is is and I a
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: lot of people are talking about the play calling thing
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: all summer long, and I really didn't care who the
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: play caller was. My bigger issue was play design. Yes,
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: offensive innovation, play design and what I think the only
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: explanation that I can come up with. And I hate
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: taking shots, but the only explanation I can come up
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: with of why this offense looks so different from the
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels offense is that the Josh McDaniels offense is
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: so inter it and it's so detail oriented that they
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: didn't feel like they had to coaches to coach it.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: It's the only thing that holds up because they didn't
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: feel like Matt Patricia and Joe Judge and the staff
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: that they had on offense was going to have the
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: ability to coach a option route heavy, very very sophisticated,
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: probably one of the most detail oriented offenses in any
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: level of football, and I don't think that they felt
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: like they had it in them to coach that up,
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: and so they simified it. I mean, it makes sense logically,
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: you know. I mean that's and I felt like a
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: change had to happen, and I don't know if they
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: made the best choice. I'm really thinking they didn't make
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: the best choice. But well, I mean, you know, you
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: hate to bring up twelve, but in his latter years
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: he was as much a coach as he was a
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: quarterback in that staying late and working with the receivers
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: on those option routes. And here's when I'm doing this.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: Here's what I'm looking at. When you're covered this way,
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: I'm going to you to go inside or you know,
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: and he worked. Mac can't do that yet. Yeah, he
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: can't do that. I hate when when you used to
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: do this all the time, but duce at one fifty
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: eight brings up. But you know, I think a change
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: had to happen. I could go for a half hour
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: and to ask why, Yeah, why did that? Why did
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: they have to take a scheme that was as successful
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: as any scheme in football for twenty years and change it?
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: There was nobody like I could understand that if Josh
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: Mrteniels was staying and you said, we got to make
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: some changes because Josh, there's no way we can get
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: these guys up to you a level. But if we're
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: all sort of learning the system together, why did it
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: have to change? Yeah? I don't know. I maybe you
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: know what we're seeing contradicts what I'm about to say.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: But maybe they took to heart what I took to
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: heart last year is the Patriots are easy to defend,
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: and they're like, with Mac, we got to rebuild this
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: thing because we can't be easy to defend. And maybe
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: you know now you're looking at it, and if you
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: listen to Evan, they're only running a few handful of plays.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: But I'm just glad I have validation now because Evan's here.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: Now we can maybe take Maybe we're going to see
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: them build on that, and maybe they'll get to a
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: point where in their minds at least they're not easy
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: to defend anymore. But certainly that's not I. I'm going
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: to turn him into a childhood divorce. I think he's
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: going to be the subject of ridicule from me and
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: you the whole year. It's gonna be awesome. Oh well,
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard yesterday's show. My my
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: take coming out was well. Going into the season, I
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: was more worried about the defense and the offense. They
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: felt they had the pieces on offense to be good,
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: not great, but good. Yeah. Coming out of this game, however,
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: I felt more optimistic about the defense. I think overall,
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: they showed me some speed. They showed me the ability
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: to at least, you know, not have guys like Hill
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: and Waddle kill them. I think they did a pretty
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: good job. Like you said, Mixican watching and you and
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: we saw we saw their speed. I said, I think
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: it was good. The offense was the problem going in.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: But I still believe they've got the pieces. But if
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: you they just have to put it together. But if
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: you phrased it yesterday like you just did today, I
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: would I would exactly what I said. You said you
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: felt the offense was just now. You said, I felt
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: like I came out. I thought the offense was the
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: bigger wholeheartedly, the defense said yesterday, defense played better than
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: the offense that yesterday. No, you said, the defense played well. Okay,
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: the defense wasn't a problem, you said. I said, you
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: want to tell me that they weren't a problem. I'm
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: going to disagree with that. You want to tell me
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: they weren't as bigger problem as the offense tell you both.
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, they only gave up thirteen points at them,
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: I know how many points they gave up. And everyone
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: explained to you that there were some fortune there. Okay,
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: there was some rather good fortune there, only allow thirteen
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: points and housides of the fact that the other team
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  Speaker 1: had a three score lead the whole second half. It
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  Speaker 1: helps when you're playing too. That was and half the
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  Speaker 1: game in hand, the whole game. That was my biggest takeaway, like,
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  Speaker 1: let's see what it looks like. I mean, And I
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  Speaker 1: said yesterday too, I don't know what I am what
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  Speaker 1: you just said. Just now, I'm one thousand percent in
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  Speaker 1: agreement with you said. You said a different way, So
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  Speaker 1: I'm optimistic. That's right. That's a perfect note down. We
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  Speaker 1: went along today and who more to be optimistic than
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  Speaker 1: than Peu. That's right, And we'll be back tomorrow with
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  Speaker 1: more of it. We got picks and from tune into
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  Speaker 1: fellgarn Mass later, speaking of lack of optimism, I think
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  Speaker 1: I had probably the worst which ever, historic ever, historic
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  Speaker 1: ineptitude on both sides. On your side, Yeah no, did I?
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  Speaker 1: I guess the spread. I think I was a little
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  Speaker 1: better than straight up well better a little bit good? Yeah,
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