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What to Subtract Before Your Next Yes · The One Small Change Podcast

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Welcome to The One Small Change. I'm thrilled to embark on this journey of
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exploration and transformation with you, and I'm your host, Yvonne McCoy,
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and I bring almost 30 years of entrepreneurial experience, and I have
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a crazy passion for discovering growth through the power of
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seemingly small change. And one of the reasons I do the
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podcast is so that I can bring you interesting people that can
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share their insights and help you on this journey. And this
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week we have Susan Curtis. Hi, Yvonne. Susan, hello.
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Hello, Yvonne. I'm so excited to be here. Thank you for inviting me.
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I'm glad you're here. And she's going to share with you some
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small or unexpected thing that makes her really good at what
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she does, whether it was something that happened personally or something
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professionally. So Susan, tell everybody what you do,
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how you help people, and what was it that made you realize, you know, I'm
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This is what I was meant to do. Aha.
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Well, coming from a lifetime in
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communication one way or another, I was in book publishing and magazine
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publishing and guided many, many
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people actually to move from being a— I
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was a dinosaur because I came out of, heaven forbid, print,
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right? That means stuff you could hold. I used to love magazines.
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Yeah. Moved into digital and actually
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ran an executive recruiting firm, bringing many, many
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executives over from the magazine world into my world of
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digital. And along the way,
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actually, that was pretty wonderful business until
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9/11 happened. And then everything came to an abrupt halt.
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I reinvented a few times. And the work
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that as an executive recruiter, I did actually
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woke up in me a belief in how much value
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people have and looking for that special value.
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So I won't go too deeply into that except to say
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that I've— I learned even from
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the very people who were looking for the positions
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that it's— that alignment is everything. So I'm really
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all about that. So here's the first thing. I
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think a lot of us had to pivot when, you know,
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either 9/11 or COVID. For me, it was COVID. Sure.
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I mean, I was doing— I was coaching executive
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women, executive directors of nonprofits, and
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I happened to get sick before COVID hit. And I was in
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the hospital for 5 days and it wasn't COVID.
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And when I went in, I had a business, and when I came out, I
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didn't. I mean, we're talking about like the sinking of the Titanic.
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Because they had no fun, you know, they couldn't have people come in, they had
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no way of getting, you know, I mean, their businesses were folding in.
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And sometimes it's a really big thing
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like that that makes you go, all right,
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what do I really want to— if I have to start over again,
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And you're not really starting over again because you've got all this experience. But
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what is it that I really want to spend my time doing? That's right, that's
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right. You're making a radical shift. I just did a talk on
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disruptors in our life, and what you just described is one
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of the 3 types of disruptors, which people call an act of God,
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right? You, you didn't do anything. You didn't do anything to attract this
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to you. You couldn't see it coming. And to lose your,
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your business like that over the course of 5 days. We all went through so
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much at that time, but that was severe, what you did, what you had to
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go through. So my act of God experience was
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that I— we had built up our magazines. I was publisher
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of a rather out-front
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magazine called Mobile Office, which was the first
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magazine in the work-from-anywhere space that we're all in
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today. But at the time, that was radical. And,
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um, we grew our magazines at a
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rough, really rough time, Gulf War. And a large media
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company purchased us, as we had, as was our goal. And I was bought
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along with it, bought, purchased along with it to keep it running.
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And then the Northridge earthquake hit. Boom.
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8.3, I think, middle of the night. A bookcase fell
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on my daughter's crib and nearly crushed her. Oh my God. I mean,
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unbelievable. We had cracks that went through the inside of the
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house out to the outside of the house. The main beam of our home
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cracked, but I wasn't alone. This happened to everyone.
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So there were, to some extent, and there was a realization that we'd all
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been through some form of trauma. So, and I had to keep it all
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running. So the powers that were, the, the, the
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per— the company that purchased us brought in a Beverly
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Hills-based shrink to talk to us all and try to help us
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through the trauma. And at the end of his time, he said, is there anyone
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who'd like to talk to me privately? I'm here for the day. And I said,
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I will. And we had our time together and I said to him,
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look, I know that you're being paid for by the this company that just
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purchased us, but I'm just so unhappy.
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I said that
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I'm just— it's coming back, and I'm just
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gonna— I'm just, I'm just so unhappy. And that I've always
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stood up and done whatever I've committed to, you know, I was an
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achiever. Um, but I just don't see how
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I, I can make this work. And he said, why don't
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you leave? I thought,
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what? I couldn't even conceive of it. But I gave it some thought,
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and I gave the company 6 months' notice and
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found a new publisher for them. And I did leave and start new parts
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of my life. And I used to look at that, Yvonne, and
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think I just needed someone to give me permission.
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A lot of women do. I think we're so conditioned. We were so
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conditioned. I mean, the way our education system was, you know, there was
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this I mean, the whole goal was, you know, you
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find someplace to work for 30 years and you retire or whatever the case
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may be. Yep. I remember, I remember when I was
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teaching adult ed and
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I went to a graduation and the speaker said,
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he said, I had a chance at 2 opportunities,
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one that paid a whole lot of money and the other
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one You know, with the same company, one that paid a whole lot of money
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and one that was kind of a lateral move, but what I really wanted to
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do. And I picked what I wanted to do.
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And I remember, I mean, I almost jumped out of my seat and went,
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you can do that? You know, you don't
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have to— because I was always— it was always about getting the highest salary
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or, you know, and I just remember thinking, you can
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do that? You can pick what you want? I mean, it never
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even crossed my mind. I love that. Yes,
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I love that. And women especially are so—
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the women who have achieved in a world that
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still favors not men, basically. I
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don't know why I had trouble with that. Are so
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used to meeting others' expectations. And we do that
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from an early age. We do that with our parents and our teachers.
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And we do that to get through high school and get into a good school.
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Good college after that. And with our early bosses, we
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meet others' expectations, right? We're conditioned.
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Yes, we are. We're conditioned that there is— I mean,
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I remember saying to myself one day, so I was listening to a
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self-help tape, and I went, oh my God, I'm
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married. I've got 2 cars. I have a house. I have
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my 3 kids. I'm an adult.
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Yes, I'm an adult. I can actually make a decision
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for myself, not, you know, am I pleasing my
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parents? Am I pleasing, you know, all these other people?
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So yeah, I get it. Oh, and, you
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know, and then when it comes to giving permission, right,
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recognizing I needed someone to give me permission, I then
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realized later on in my life I needed to learn to give
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myself permission. Mm-hmm. And that's what you're talking about, really, to
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recognize that you can choose for yourself what you want. That's really the
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heart of the work that I do these days, is, is
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that, um, one of my favorite authors, John Acuff,
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A-C-U-F-F, has a book I love called Finish.
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And in it there's a chapter called Decide What to Bomb.
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And he's very funny, by the way. He's a great writer, reads really quickly and
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easily, and I love him. But he didn't mean what to explode, but
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rather what to mess up in order to finish
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things and succeed. And that idea,
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I think, is audacious, but
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we're so used to trying to do the opposite, aren't we? We think
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we've— I can handle it, I can squeeze it in, I can make it work.
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But sometimes it's not the same thing
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as alignment that you're touching on that that speaker said. And
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I think the other thing is,
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this is what I've learned this year, is
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particularly professionally when I was with other organizations.
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The things that I was really good at,
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that I just was interested in because of
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interest's sake, were the things that got me in
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trouble. Oh, it was like— what kind of trouble? What do you
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mean? Well, like, for instance, if somebody— you know, I'm interviewing you,
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you can't— Sorry, that's just too juicy. No, no, but, but,
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you know, I know one time I had a pro— I was like a coordinator
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in, in this adult education space, and I was a coordinator, and I had
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teachers. I had some teachers who were
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retired teachers, and when they went into businesses, they, they treated
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the employees almost like kids, right? And I had
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retired business people who didn't know how to teach. And so I had this
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mishmash of people who were volunteering, you know, or
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working at a very low— I see. —to do this good thing. And I
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had the same problem myself. I mean, I had some classes that were like
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spectacular and some classes that went over like lead balloons. And I
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was like, why is this? Right? What do I need to do to make this
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work? And so I kind of came up with a matrix for myself
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that worked, and I thought, well, I'm gonna train these other
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teachers to take a look at this, right? Okay. And
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so, you know, and I was doing this just
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because it was interesting to me. I wanted to get good results.
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And then somebody heard about it and said, well, can you— you know, you've got
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2 of my teachers in there, can I bring the rest of my teachers? And
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I'm like, sure, why not? The more the merrier. It was, you know, and then
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You know, because I'm not, you know, like a bureaucratic kind of person. We're at
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a meeting and the— and our boss goes, okay, our next meeting is on this
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date. And somebody goes, oh no, we're going to Yvonne's training. Oh
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my gosh, awesome. And they're like, what training?
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And did you get approval for this? And, you know,
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it was— it started a whole thing like, what is she doing on her own?
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And, you know, I would— I could have been less interested in
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her job or moving up the ladder. I mean, I was just— it was just
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a curiosity thing, you know. And so I
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found that a lot of the things that I did like that,
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and in other organizations as well, like I would sit down and figure
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something out. And then, you know,
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I look at a newspaper, you know, the company
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newsletter, and there's my idea with my boss's name on it.
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Oh my gosh. You know, that kind of stuff. So anyway, so it was
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interesting to me to see, finally
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realize that the things that I was good at, the problem solving,
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coming up with a process for things just because I was
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curious, was the things that bumped up against what was already there.
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You know, that there, there was not an interest in changing it or
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addressing it, right? And people, you know, took
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it the wrong way. So when you talk about alignment, let's get
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back to what you do. When you talk about alignment, what do you find is
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the hardest thing for people to rediscover?
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Because that's really what they're doing. That is, it's about rediscovering
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themselves. So most of the
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women I work with have— they've accomplished
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their either in
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careers where they look great on paper, but
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somehow there's something that's not speaking to them anymore, or
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they've made the leap like you and I both did from a more
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corporate world into running their own consulting or their own business,
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their own coaching, and something is not
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aligning and they can't express it. So there's a few
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components to this. There's
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They are so— we talked about a little bit that they're so used to
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fulfilling everyone else's expectations that they don't recognize they're allowed
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to fulfill their own. And they don't listen to that
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quiet rumbling or whisper, if you want,
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that then becomes something— could be something so much greater. And so
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we gotta start with that. And then it's
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finding— and this is the work that I'm really now doing. But
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it's finding the languaging for it. So I've
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actually found and developed a way to work with my
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clients to identify their manifesto
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by interviewing them in such a way, it's almost like magical questions because
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we go so deep in terms of what do they stand for
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outwardly? What do you stand for facing outward? What do you want the world to
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see about you and the work you do? And then inward, I
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call it your credo. What is the golden thread throughout your life
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that no matter what role you were in, this is still what you believed in?
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Even back there when you said to yourself, you know, I could do that, I
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could actually do work that, you know, speaks to my soul,
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you know, and taking that all the way forward, what is that thread?
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And from there, as we develop that languaging, we go on to
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create your signature phrases because many of us are quoting
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Maya Angelou or Tony
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Robbins or Mel Robbins or, you know, any of these people, why not start quoting
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yourself and realizing that there's sort of such
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truth, veracity in what you have to say?
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So that's a big piece of it. What's really interesting to
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me is, um, one, I talk about a couple of things that
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connect to what you're saying. Um, when I do my workshop, one of the things
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I talk about is dead reckoning. which is a
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sailing term. And I said, I hate the way it sounds, but I
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love what it stands for. Okay. And so dead reckoning,
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you know, when you— before they had GPS and all the electronics and stuff,
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sailors, you know, they can't sail in a straight line because of the
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wind and the current. So you have to pick a spot that you're aiming for,
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either on the shore or on the horizon. And that's your dead
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reckoning. So even if you're— as you're tacking and, you know, doing whatever you
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have to do, changing directions, Yep. You still have—
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that's your endpoint. That's where you want to end up. And I
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think so many times we're, we're
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so in the moment of, I've got to do this, you know, this is, you
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know, I'm expected to go to high school after, you know, element, you know, that
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kind of thing, that we never look long-term,
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right, kind of thing. And as an
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entrepreneur, you never go in a straight line. So it's,
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it's really important to have that kind of anchor. The other thing
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is that I do that's kind of what you're talking about is I do this
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thing called the 3-word exercise where I go, how do you want to be
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described on your 100th birthday? Mm-hmm. What is the
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energy? Not, I was responsible, I was
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dependable, I was, you know, I showed up, whatever.
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It's like, I'm bold, I'm adventuresome, I'm, you know,
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whatever that energy is. And is that the energy that
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you're letting other people see? Because when When you do that,
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you attract the people who like that. So
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you're attracting the people who really want to see you and be
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with you the way you really are. And I said, you
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know, I lost almost 200 pounds with that exercise.
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That's really— because you focus on where you were
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looking. The thing was, I realized, you know, of course it
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was a pivot point. My first grandchild was coming in. I was like, I want
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to be a really good grandmother. You know, I wanna, you know, and I was
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like, what, you know, what, what do I have to do? And I was like,
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I need energy. I need to be energetic. So that was the first
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word. And then I said, and then I said, well, when was I the most
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energetic? And I called a friend of mine that I went to college with, and
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I said, how would you have described me when I, you know, when we were
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in college? And she said, you were the most adventuresome
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person I'd ever met. You would get up and go and just You know,
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do all these things that the rest of us wouldn't do. And then I asked
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my husband, who knew me then, and he said, you were the most intriguing woman
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I'd ever met. And I'm like, I'm keeping that up, you know? And
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that's how I started. That's what you wanted to embody, right? Yeah. And I woke
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up every morning and said, what can I do today to be energetic,
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adventuresome, and intriguing? Oh, that's your 3
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words, right? Those are my 3 words. So for business, instead of intriguing, it's
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curious. Right. And so, you know, what I
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found when I started— and I didn't— I mean, I used that to lose
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weight, but I didn't use that in my business until, you
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know, a couple years ago. And now it's really nice
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because I'm really amplifying that. And so when people— I,
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you know, I talk to people, they go, I love your energy, which means that
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the people who don't love it don't contact me. That's right,
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because you That's all you need. So it's a filter. So it, you know, so,
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you know, it's okay to be
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quirky. I mean, there are some people that, like, I have a friend who follows
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this woman who's got like a lion's
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head and all these really vibrant colors, and it just,
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it just like hurts me, you know, to go to her
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website even though she's got really good stuff, but I'm just not
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her person, and that's okay. And that's her job, is to
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attract those that are and repel those who are not. Yeah. Yeah. And,
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you know, that sort of touches on the theme here. I know it's the one
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small change. So for me, the one small
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change is reflected actually in
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what we're going to talk about in a moment and the, the gift I have
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to share. Uh, but it was— I learned to decide what to
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subtract. That's what John Acuff talked about in his
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Decide What to Bomb. Right? But what to subtract?
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Because women think that to solve, most of the time men and women
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think to solve a problem of where they are, what do they have to do
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now? What do they have to do now in your business? What do you
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have to add in? What do you have to do better? What do you have
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to learn? What do you have to master? All that. But we're still
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human. And when you decided what to subtract,
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you just, I shouldn't put words in your mouth 'cause what you achieved is incredible
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with your weight loss. But it sounds like you just, you decided to not
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make— the eating part
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paramount and maybe comfort, because you must have done some
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exercise too to get to that point, right? Yeah, I did. I did.
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But, but the thing is, I think it changes
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who you are. And so it changes the way
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you show up. I mean, and here's the other thing that, that, that
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I learned. I often say I probably learned more lessons to
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run a successful business from losing weight than I did from my MBA.
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So, one of the things that I learned was
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in order to have a successful change, you have to end
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something before you can start something.
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That's right. And that was like a really hard lesson for me, but it showed
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up in so many different ways. I mean, like, if I wanted to add
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exercise, you know, I got up at the same time, I tried to
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exercise, then I was like running late for my appointments. It was like,
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okay, I have to like get up earlier. If I need to get up earlier,
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then I need to go to bed earlier. So I need to give up some
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nighttime TV or record it or do something. I mean, just silly things,
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you know? But it's all connected. Yes, it is. And I think the
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other thing that's really important is
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failure is part of success. You learn— I think you learn
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more from failing than you do from succeeding, because when you succeed,
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you say, oh, this worked, I'll do it again. When Right? Without saying, why
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did it work? Did it only work in this circumstance? I mean, you know,
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whatever. When you fail, we have a
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tendency to go, I'm gonna try something else new,
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instead of saying, why did this fail? Why did this not
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work? What can I learn from this? You know? So you don't wanna keep
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doing the same thing, making the same mistake, but it's a part
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of the process. And I was raised in a way that failure
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was not an option. And so I never tried
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anything that I wasn't sure I could succeed at. Oh,
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I mean, that is so true for me too. I hear you.
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What do you wish— I know I'm not the interviewer here. No, go ahead. Go
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ahead. I was wondering an example of something that you wish you had tried
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or would have tried if failure had been
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allowed.
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I'm not sure.
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I know that since I've decided to be more adventuresome,
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sometimes it takes me a long time to do something.
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So my daughter has got the whole family, almost the whole family
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into Pilates. And it took me a really long time to say I was going
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to try this because I'm still a big woman. And it was
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like, you know, all I could see in my head was like baby elephant
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trying to get— Aww. You know? And
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now I love it. I mean, you know, I've gotten to the place where
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I feel, you know, I can see the progress, which is
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really what it's about. I mean, I'm never going to be a skinny person. That
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is not in the cards anywhere. I don't come from a skinny family,
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necessarily, you know, and that's not my goal. My goal is
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just to have more mobility, live longer, and, you know, have a good life. Yeah.
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So, let me ask you this. Because I don't want us to
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run out of time. Um, what are 3 things that you think people can
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do, um, right now to,
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to get more aligned with their business, to feel more,
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you know, I don't know how you would describe it.
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I'm, I'm using aligned, but I feel like that doesn't, that's such an overused
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word. I would like you to say— But you'd like some practical action, right?
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I get it. I would start with—
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I'd ask them to start with what, when they're
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looking, considering the next yes, the next
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decision, what would I have to subtract to make
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room for this yes? Just like you said. And
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am I willing to make that trade?
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Because we're really talking about prioritizing. That's right. What matters to me now?
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Yeah. Right. And so one thing that everyone listening can
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do is to make a quick list of what you're doing.
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Because what are the things you're doing now that you genuinely want
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to be doing that matter now, that you're good at,
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touching on what you just talked about,
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what you're doing as opposed to— that's sort of one
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side. And the other side is you've always done it You're doing now
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because you've always done it and other people expect it of you.
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Those are not the same reasons. So for me,
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for me, one of the things that falls into that category
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is I did taxes for over 15 years.
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Oh, you did taxes? You said taxes? Yeah.
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Yes. You know, my MBA is in finance and accounting.
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And I worked for a company and, um, you know,
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I did taxes for 15 years. And then after I did that,
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I also helped nonprofits that were doing taxes,
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and I was doing tax training and stuff. And at a certain point, it's
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like, I don't want to do this. This is something that's easy for
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me to do. I'm good at it, but it's
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not really what I want to do. Feed you. And people
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like— I just had a friend recently say, why aren't you doing taxes?
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Because I don't want to. I mean, it
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doesn't light me up. I mean, yes, I loved it when I could
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get somebody a refund or something like that, but it's not the same thing
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as helping somebody change their life. No, it's not.
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And I totally subscribe to that. Light me up
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is the essence of the work I do today, even though I was really good
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at the stuff of magazine publishing and talking to companies companies,
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you know, Microsoft and Apple and helping them with their business, all that.
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Just 'cause you're good at it is just not the same as lights you
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up. It just isn't the same. And so
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the thinking about the space that you can create
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and making room for what's next, that's what lights me up. That's the
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identity alignment journey, you know? And just
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because you're capable of carrying something doesn't mean you have to carry it forever.
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And I've— you talked about entrepreneurship, and it
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reminds me of how one thing I like
26:48
people to understand in themselves, they often beat themselves
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up for having changed careers so several times. I was this,
26:56
and then I wore that hat, and then I wore that hat. And I myself
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have had at least 5 hats, you know. But it's not— it used
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to be written like my dad worked for ABC, American Broadcasting Company,
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for 37 years. Mm-hmm. He, he had a, a
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job for like 6 months before that, but other than that, his whole life was
27:14
with ABC and he had a pension. You know, imagine that.
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Um, that's— and he didn't really get
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entrepreneurship, right? He didn't understand that. And that, that
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was the model that we all had in our— in the generation
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before us. And that's so
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Recognizing that your life is progress with
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that dead reckoning at the end in terms of where
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you're going. Those zigs and zags are all the ways that
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we pick up who we are. So the sort of the essence of
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my work when I talk about identity alignment is
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understanding who you are, who you
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like, who you have become based
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on your roles, the work that you do so well.
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And now look at who are you becoming and recognize that
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that's perfectly okay. And I
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give voice and language to that gap
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and help women identify the language of what they really want to
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stand for. The thing I think that's
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interesting If we talk about doing things, I
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was talking about this the other day, is I was decluttering my
28:32
office and getting rid of stuff. Oh, good. Would you
28:35
come and do that here? I wasn't very successful here either,
28:39
because one of the things is I was digging in things
28:43
from when I first started my— having the idea of
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having a business, and I started pulling out stuff and I
28:51
went, Oh my God, I'm still teaching this, but it's better.
28:55
Oh. You know, even all, you know, some of the threads that have
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continued to go through, and it was like, oh my
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God, I could use this idea now. It's still, you know,
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and so it's about, it isn't
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necessary, what I've learned is it's not about getting
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wider with what you do, it's about getting deeper.
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Nice. Yes, you do that thing deeper. And so you say,
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how do I, how do I really get into
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how I feel, you know, and how I, you know, I come
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across how I can help other people, how I can help them to
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see what they can do. I mean, when I used to say,
29:40
if you're a woman and you can get a meal on the, you know, a
29:42
meal on the table and all the pieces are hot, than you can run a
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factory. That was, you know, and I, and
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I said that because, you know, when my husband first started cooking, he decided we
29:53
were going to have steak dinner. And so he cooked the steak and then he
29:56
was like, oh, I think we'll have baked potatoes.
30:00
Before microwaves, it was like, oh. Oh, you needed an hour. You know,
30:04
while the potato was baking, then we were getting the vegetables. So it was a
30:07
very long dinner, you know. I mean, he's a wonderful cook now.
30:11
So don't let me— you know, and he does all the cooking, so let me
30:14
not discourage him. But the point of it is that you have
30:18
certain skills, and the idea is to use those skills,
30:21
the things that you're naturally good at, at the things that you actually want to
30:25
do. And, you know, using your kind of— I call it a
30:29
divided to-do list. Here are the things that I have to do. Here are the
30:32
things I want to do. And if you start each day off
30:36
with one of the things that you want to do, first,
30:41
it will change your life. Because it just— I don't know what
30:45
it does. It just makes a total difference. Because the things you
30:48
have to do, you will do. And, you know,
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and they will take as much time as you give them. Allow them to. Yes.
30:56
Yeah. And so if you start with something that you want to do,
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you are just— you feel so— you feel so much more like you, and then
31:03
you just knock out the stuff that you have to do. It just changes your
31:07
whole dynamic. Anyway, we're running out of time, so let's do
31:10
this. Um, I don't know whether you finish with your, with
31:14
your, your things we can do, but I definitely want to hear about your gift.
31:19
Certainly. What I
31:23
decided I wanted to share with your audience is a
31:26
guide called The 3 AM Question. It's what to
31:30
subtract before your next yes. Because,
31:34
I mean, Yvonne, your idea is so right on in terms of what's the thing
31:38
you want to do. But then we are human.
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I even have a course on imposter syndrome, on all, you know, which is what
31:46
rears up after you decide all of that. And then you say, but I, but
31:50
this, but that, but all these reasons not. So if we
31:54
are able to look at that next opportunity or that next yes you
31:58
want to come up with and ask yourself, What still
32:02
fits? That's what, that's what this, this guide is about. It,
32:06
it's a few questions and some reflections that help you
32:09
decide what you've outgrown, what may be ready to go,
32:13
what deserves the space that I can create, and how do I make room for
32:16
what's next? And at that point, you get to ask and
32:20
get to look at who have I become and how do I begin
32:24
living and expressing myself from there?
32:29
Sounds wonderful. Okay, I'm gonna put you on the spot. When was the
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last time you did something new for the first time?
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Well, I'm doing it here and now, I would say. And that's
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because the having
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reinvented— so the last time is this year and every
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single day because I shaped
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my business differently, my work differently. I was doing
32:56
Um, long-term coaching. But right today, but today
33:00
my focus is on helping women get the
33:03
words, you know, find the language for who they are. It's
33:07
your own flag, it's your own manifesto.
33:11
And so I hope that answers your question because, yeah, and I think really
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meaningful. And I think that that action is a leverage action
33:18
because like I said, I said to you earlier, It doesn't matter how
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fast you're going if you're going in the wrong direction. So when you have the
33:25
right language, you can stand out and attract the people that you,
33:30
you know, you can get your message out. Visibility is a magnifier. It'll either
33:33
magnify the right message or the wrong message. So why
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not have the right message? That's correct. You're so right. And that's
33:41
so— and so many people are running their businesses in a place they
33:45
don't want to. So this work is so I
33:49
find it exceptional. I mean, women often wind up in tears when we go through
33:52
it, not because I'm trying to drive them to tears, but they feel so
33:55
connected and articulated. Right. And then from
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there, yes. And the
34:03
words are coming out, you know, they're not being blocked anymore. So
34:07
that's what— All right. I'm sorry, but we're running out of time.
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I need to wind this up. Okay, so I gotta do
34:15
the commercial. So real fast, make sure everybody subscribes and shares
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one small change and share it with other people.
34:30
If you haven't listened, there are a couple of solo episodes that I've done.
34:34
The first one about why I'm doing this, some on clarity work, and
34:38
I I have some that are, that are coming up. So I want you to
34:41
listen to that because obviously I like to talk and I try to give my,
34:45
my guests most of the time, but sometimes I have things I want to say.
34:49
So anyway, Susan, what are your last words of wisdom you want
34:52
people to remember? Ah, oh,
34:56
that's just too good. I think you may not need to
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become someone new. You may just need to recognize the person you've already
35:03
become, find the language for her, and start making choices from there.
35:08
I love that. I love that. Be recognized. It's not enough just to be
35:11
seen. You need to be recognized. Okay, people, remember that
35:15
change is simple, but it's not always easy, and it requires courage,
35:19
resilience, and a willingness to step out of your comfort zone. So I
35:23
hope that you will continue to join me on this journey for this
35:27
and come and listen to The One Small Change. Please come to my
35:30
workshop, the Be Found workshop. Get clarity, get confidence,
35:34
and get consistent It happens every month.
35:37
And until the next time, stay very,
35:41
very curious. Thank you, Susan. Thank you so much, Yvonne. Such a
35:45
pleasure.