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Do You Have to Lower Your Standards to Make It in Music? · Do Music Differently

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  Speaker 1: Reveal the rules, rewrite your future on your own terms.
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  Speaker 1: The conversation starts now. Welcome to Do Music Differently with
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  Speaker 1: Heidselin on W4WN Radio.
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  Speaker 2: Well, hello everybody.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Heidselin and I am here because they told me
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  Speaker 1: that I could do anything that I wanted when I
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  Speaker 1: was a kid.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what?
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to be a rock star. And, um, What
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  Speaker 1: they didn't tell me about was the 80-hour work weeks,
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  Speaker 1: the house chores, the never-ending cycle of not enough money
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  Speaker 1: to do everything that I want to do, and not
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  Speaker 1: to mention the time and energy. So I have a
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  Speaker 1: special guest here with me today, and we are going
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  Speaker 1: to be discussing the rule that you need to sacrifice
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  Speaker 1: in order to be successful in the music industry.
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  Speaker 2: So welcome with me, Lisa Gold.
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  Speaker 1: She is a very special person to me because she
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  Speaker 1: also has a podcast radio show.
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  Speaker 2: And I was recently on her podcast.
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  Speaker 1: And you are the gateway to do music differently for me.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Lisa, how are you?
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. I'm good.
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  Speaker 4: I'm good.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me on your show.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, sure.
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  Speaker 1: So today we're going to be talking a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more about a rule that we'd heard a long time ago.
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  Speaker 1: We're kind of in the background. That rule was kind
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  Speaker 1: of running and it took you a while to realize how.
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  Speaker 2: It was affecting your results.
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  Speaker 1: And by the end of the episode, we are going
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  Speaker 1: to have a whole new rule that you're living by.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Lisa?
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  Speaker 3: I like that. Yes, yes. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's first start out by telling everybody in the audience,
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  Speaker 1: just a little bit more about yourself, what kind of
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  Speaker 1: stuff you've gotten into with music so far. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Well, first I have to say, I have, I have
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  Speaker 3: cats and I have one of my cats that just
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  Speaker 3: seems to need my attention at this very moment. So
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  Speaker 3: if you hear me, I was, it's, it's the background. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: And you have your, your baby there too.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Fair enough.
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  Speaker 4: Fair enough.
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  Speaker 3: Um, Gosh, you know, my story goes way back. And
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  Speaker 3: I began taking piano lessons when I was five. And
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  Speaker 3: it was one of those ideas that my parents took
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  Speaker 3: me to a recital, my mom. And she's like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: do you want to play piano? And I was just
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  Speaker 3: more interested in like running off and playing with the kids.
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  Speaker 3: And I kind of did, but I was just like,
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  Speaker 3: oh yeah, okay. Like I took it like, I didn't
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  Speaker 3: take it serious. And then I grew into the world of,
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  Speaker 3: taking lessons. And, um, I, I grew up with the
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  Speaker 3: same idea that you had, like, I'm going to be
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  Speaker 3: a rock star. Like I would sing with my friends.
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  Speaker 3: I'd play piano. Um, I'd practice. I did not like
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  Speaker 3: to practice, did not. And, um, but I stuck, I
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  Speaker 3: stuck with it for a while, uh, until my rebellious teens. And,
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  Speaker 3: and then I'm like, Oh, I'm not doing this because
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  Speaker 3: my parents want me to do this. Uh, but I'm
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  Speaker 3: still going to be a rock star. And my parents
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  Speaker 3: were like, okay, well, they don't make any money and
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  Speaker 3: they're all on drugs. So just go be a lawyer
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  Speaker 3: or a doctor, go do something like that. And so
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  Speaker 3: it really like set me back to thinking like, Oh,
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  Speaker 3: well maybe that's not good enough. And it, it zigzagged
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  Speaker 3: me throughout my life. And I hope I'm like being
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  Speaker 3: like specific with answering your question. I'm kind of jumping around.
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  Speaker 3: But that zigzag, I think delayed my progress because, Because
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  Speaker 3: I had this belief system that I wouldn't be good enough.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't match up or meet my parents' standards. I
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  Speaker 3: still went to college. I went to college to be
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  Speaker 3: a teacher and not a doctor or a lawyer. But
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  Speaker 3: I never gave up piano. I did for a little while.
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  Speaker 3: I did for a few years. And in my 30s,
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  Speaker 3: I thought, you know what? What can I do that
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  Speaker 3: I could really deliver piano? and, and be different and,
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  Speaker 3: and honor myself. And I thought, well, I, I'm a
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  Speaker 3: teacher and I know how to play piano. What if
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  Speaker 3: I like live from my core being of that musician drive? And,
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  Speaker 3: and what if I teach and teach piano? And then
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  Speaker 3: I can just take off from there. And, and I did. And,
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  Speaker 3: and then some years later, I just felt like I wasn't,
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  Speaker 3: there was still more. There was still more for me
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  Speaker 3: to do and create and be. And I wasn't, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. As a musician, I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: you ever get to where you want to go. It's
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  Speaker 3: a continuous journey as a musician. And so I'm still like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, when I grow up, I want to be
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  Speaker 3: a musician. I am a musician. But when I grow up,
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  Speaker 3: I want to be a rock star. I want to
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  Speaker 3: be popular, you know. And you think it comes with
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  Speaker 3: all this money. But I'm learning that. the more responsibility
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  Speaker 3: you have, you get more money with that, but you
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  Speaker 3: have more, more responsibility. So I'm not saying that I'm
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  Speaker 3: in that million dollar home. Um, but even if I were,
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  Speaker 3: it's still like, it's, you mentioned sacrifice. There's, there's a
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  Speaker 3: constant juggle, you know? Um, but I, I know you
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  Speaker 3: have a bunch of questions for me, so I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to keep going off on a tangent.
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  Speaker 1: So, well, you mentioned standards and, um, For you, when
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  Speaker 1: we talked about the rule of, you know, if you're
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  Speaker 1: going to go into the music industry, you're going to
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  Speaker 1: have to lower your standards some.
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  Speaker 2: What does that mean for you?
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  Speaker 4: Growing up, it meant that, you know, I don't know
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  Speaker 4: if this still is a good word to use, but
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  Speaker 4: kind of like, and it's such a low energy word.
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  Speaker 3: I was going to say loser. Like, like you wouldn't meet,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you wouldn't strive to be anything successful. But
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  Speaker 3: I think everything around us is music. Life is music.
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  Speaker 3: We heal through sound. And so the distorted perception I
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  Speaker 3: had in my mind I've learned is not true.
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  Speaker 2: So for.
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  Speaker 1: Like your parents, and they were talking, so I relate
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  Speaker 1: to this a lot too, because when I was growing up,
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  Speaker 1: I was told that I should find a real job,
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  Speaker 1: that it's too hard to work. In the music industry.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, don't get me wrong. There are definitely struggles.
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  Speaker 1: It's definitely difficult. But how is it different from any
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  Speaker 1: other industry that I had worked in up until this point?
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  Speaker 1: It's just that I really like music. Like music is fun.
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  Speaker 1: Like it gives me energy. It doesn't drain my energy
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  Speaker 1: for the rest of the day.
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  Speaker 2: So, you know, it always kind of made me wonder.
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  Speaker 1: There's other people that are out there doing it. So why,
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  Speaker 1: why can't I go do it? And I get a
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  Speaker 1: feeling that you were kind of, uh, picking some of
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  Speaker 1: that up as you were a kid and your parents were,
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  Speaker 1: were telling you which choices and career direction you should
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  Speaker 1: make with your piano.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And, um, it was very being a creative artist because
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  Speaker 3: as a musician, we are all creative. We have this
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  Speaker 3: creative vein that, um, that we get to express ourselves
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  Speaker 3: through music. And for me, piano. I do sing, but
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  Speaker 3: piano is my go-to. You know, I think, yes, the
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  Speaker 3: nine to five job, my dad was an, just to say,
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  Speaker 3: not that it matters, but what I looked up to
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  Speaker 3: in my parents, my dad was an airline pilot and
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  Speaker 3: my mom, a hairdresser. My mom started hairdressing at the
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  Speaker 3: age of 16. And being from Europe, she was very
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  Speaker 3: full fledged. She still is. She's a workaholic. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you work to make money. Time is money. And my dad, too.
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  Speaker 3: My dad's like he loved his job and and he
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  Speaker 3: loved to fly. He just and so I was raised
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  Speaker 3: with that that ethic of work hard to earn money.
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  Speaker 3: And if you don't have the nine to five, if
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  Speaker 3: you don't have like a company you work for, if
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  Speaker 3: you don't, you know, have a steady paycheck, then, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you don't have a real job, like you said. Right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of sad when you look at
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  Speaker 1: it because we get caught then in this starving artist
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  Speaker 1: mentality because there's no value there in the product that
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  Speaker 1: you're producing because, you know, it's just a cute little hobby.
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  Speaker 1: And so I feel like that's part of, like, the
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  Speaker 1: trap with what we're talking about with this rule is,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think we talked a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: it earlier about the self-doubt that comes within the comparison of,
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  Speaker 1: am I enough? Do I have to, you know, sacrifice
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  Speaker 1: more of my time to improve my piano skills to
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  Speaker 1: be able to compare in these certain situations?
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  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm always I find myself I'm always taking lessons still.
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  Speaker 3: I'm still a student because, as I mentioned earlier, there's
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  Speaker 3: never any end to learning music and to growing through
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  Speaker 3: musicianship and musicology. There's always something more to learn or
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  Speaker 3: to better like being an author. you always want to edit, re-edit.
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  Speaker 3: You want to change the story, improve it, add to it.
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  Speaker 3: The same thing with music. And I really believe that
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  Speaker 3: the way the world is going, and I don't, there's
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  Speaker 3: a light. I just don't know what it looks like
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  Speaker 3: at the end of the tunnel. But I really believe
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  Speaker 3: that we are rising, us musicians, the world of music
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  Speaker 3: is rising above where we used to be. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: silly in my analogies when I say it's almost like
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  Speaker 3: the musicians were the bottom feeders in the ocean. But
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  Speaker 3: it's like, no, we are rising above because we bring
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  Speaker 3: the joy, we bring the entertainment, we bring sound to
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  Speaker 3: people that are not musicians or even other musicians. We
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  Speaker 3: connect as such a deep, soul level because creativity and
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  Speaker 3: being an artist is not a surface like, okay, I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to go to, you know, go work at the
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  Speaker 3: grocery store and we need grocery store people. We're going
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  Speaker 3: to work at the grocery store and learn how to
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  Speaker 3: cut meat, make a sandwich and serve it to the public,
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  Speaker 3: which is a wonderful job for those that step into that.
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  Speaker 3: For a musician, you know, we're constantly relearning. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you mentioned kind of like the same the same idea
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  Speaker 3: of a work. I'm not sure how you said it,
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  Speaker 3: but the, the idea that it's just another job. It's not,
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  Speaker 3: it's so much more. And I think where we're going
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  Speaker 3: with it, nobody could really say, but I just believe
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  Speaker 3: we're truly rising above where we used to be.
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  Speaker 1: I think you made a very good point talking about
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  Speaker 1: the grocery store. So when I was younger and I
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  Speaker 1: was just working in whatever retail stores, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: worked at Menards.
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  Speaker 2: I worked at a gas station.
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  Speaker 1: One of my favorites was still managing a 10,000 square
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  Speaker 1: foot firework store.
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  Speaker 2: And I also did Halloween Express. Yes, I tried to
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  Speaker 2: keep my.
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  Speaker 1: Jobs fun if we were going to, you know, if
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  Speaker 1: we're going to work a retail job where you had
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  Speaker 1: crappy people yelling at you sometimes. But it took me
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  Speaker 1: probably about seven, eight years of working in retail. Before
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  Speaker 1: I realized that everything that I learned up to this point,
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  Speaker 1: including my management skills, all applied to my main life.
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  Speaker 2: Goal that I had to be a rock star.
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  Speaker 1: And when I applied that filter to everything else I
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  Speaker 1: was trying to figure out what I was doing. suddenly
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  Speaker 1: it became so much easier because I was like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I've been.
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  Speaker 2: Doing the marketing for the fireworks store.
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  Speaker 1: And we've been talking about like brand colors and like,
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  Speaker 1: how does this all lay out?
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  Speaker 2: And does this look neat? Is this readable?
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  Speaker 1: All of this stuff translates to I'm making a flyer
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  Speaker 1: for my band that's playing this weekend, you know, same thing.
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  Speaker 2: And where am I going to post it?
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  Speaker 1: And all of these things, I kept one right after
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  Speaker 1: the next. And it's like, Oh, even like, How we're
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  Speaker 1: displaying the product on the shelf. Now, musically, it's not
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  Speaker 1: exactly the same because it's a digital product. But, you know,
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  Speaker 1: how I dress myself for a show during my performances,
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  Speaker 1: the different things that we do that might be different
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  Speaker 1: than another band, that's the packaging.
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  Speaker 2: And it put on display. And had I not finally.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of put those two building blocks together and figured
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  Speaker 1: out that.
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  Speaker 2: Everything, every experience.
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  Speaker 1: That I've had in my life leading up to the
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  Speaker 1: spot that I was at was experience I could use
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  Speaker 1: for what I really wanted to do. Where for a
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  Speaker 1: long time, I felt like it was just holding me back.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because I mean, a job does take a lot of
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  Speaker 1: time and energy. Yes, it helps you pay the bills.
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  Speaker 1: But sometimes when you're trying to make music, it's exhausting.
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  Speaker 1: you get done with your work day, you're like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I have rehearsal, but you're like, I don't want you today.
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  Speaker 1: And for me, at least every time I get there,
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  Speaker 1: I'd be like, okay, nevermind.
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  Speaker 2: This is fun. I'm glad like I dragged my butt
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  Speaker 2: out the.
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  Speaker 1: Door and got in the car and here I am.
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  Speaker 1: Much like you were saying, like, don't like to practice.
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  Speaker 1: That's not the glamorous part always. Even though I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Do you find once you start practicing, like you're just like,
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is kind of fun.
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  Speaker 3: Well now, now I love practicing and I, there's not
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  Speaker 3: enough time in the day for me to just sit
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  Speaker 3: down and I would, I have no problem sitting and
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  Speaker 3: playing for hours and just practicing, but I don't have
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  Speaker 3: that timeframe. And when I do, it's not often enough.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think that, and I think you're expressing like another,
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  Speaker 1: you know, bigger issue around you have to lower your
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  Speaker 1: standards because I know personally, I would love it if
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  Speaker 1: I could just practice 20, 30.
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  Speaker 2: 40 hours a week.
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  Speaker 1: But am I lowering my standards by not practicing that much?
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  Speaker 2: I would argue not.
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  Speaker 1: Necessarily because there are so many different ways that you
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  Speaker 1: can practice. And sometimes something that doesn't take a lot
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  Speaker 1: of effort can still have a bigger bang for its buck.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have.
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  Speaker 1: Any practicing techniques or things that you picked up where
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  Speaker 1: when you're really, really busy, if you still do this,
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  Speaker 1: it still kind of keeps you in flow?
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  Speaker 3: Yes. And in fact, sports, athletes also do this. I
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  Speaker 3: tell my students, you don't necessarily have to be at
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  Speaker 3: the instruments. to practice. You can visualize the instrument. You
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  Speaker 3: can visualize the keys. You can visualize what notes they
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  Speaker 3: are and how you play. So you can sit down
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  Speaker 3: even at the kitchen table and you can just kind
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  Speaker 3: of visualize and manipulate. I don't know if manipulate is
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  Speaker 3: the right word, but you can visualize what you're playing
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  Speaker 3: by just playing like an air instrument, right? They call
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  Speaker 3: it air piano. And you can do that. Or even
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  Speaker 3: in your mind, you can imagine the instrument. You can
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  Speaker 3: imagine what you're playing. You can imagine the sound. You
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  Speaker 3: don't always necessarily need to be at the instrument. You
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  Speaker 3: could be in your car listening to the music that
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  Speaker 3: you're going to go home to play or practice and
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  Speaker 3: think about what ways you can, oh, yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I like the way that sounds. I'm going to add
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  Speaker 3: that little dissonance to that. to that, that part of
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  Speaker 3: the song, or I'm going to take out this, or
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to add this. So you can practice, you
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  Speaker 3: don't necessarily have to be at the instrument all the time.
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  Speaker 3: And I think in some ways that puts a stress
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  Speaker 3: and a pressure on practicing when we, you know, have
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  Speaker 3: to like, have to be at the instrument.
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  Speaker 1: I love that you said that because, um, you know, I've,
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  Speaker 1: I've said to, uh, some of the members of my
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  Speaker 1: bands in the past, I'm like, just put the songs
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  Speaker 1: on in the background and just let it play while
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  Speaker 1: you're working.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm just like, no, just trust me. Like just
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  Speaker 2: do that. And it's going to be crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Like how much better you're going to be when you
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  Speaker 1: come back for rehearsal the next week, even if you
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  Speaker 1: didn't have any time to practice that. I think that's
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  Speaker 1: one of my favorite, like low effort, but for some
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  Speaker 1: reason it still works.
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  Speaker 2: What is this kitty's name?
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  Speaker 3: This is Mimi.
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  Speaker 2: Hey Mimi. Thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. She feels like she needs to be in the show. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: It's so true because there are even like when I
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  Speaker 3: don't know what instruments you play. I know you saying
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  Speaker 3: when I'm what for me, when I'm teaching my students
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  Speaker 3: and they're working on a hard piece and I'll say
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  Speaker 3: like chunk the section like chunk a measure and And
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  Speaker 3: I promise you that when you just focus on that,
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  Speaker 3: even if it's, excuse me, even if it's for like
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  Speaker 3: 10 minutes out of your day today, it's like funny.
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  Speaker 3: Even if it's like 10 minutes out of your busy day,
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  Speaker 3: I promise you tomorrow when you come back to the piano,
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  Speaker 3: your brain is amazing because you'll find it so much
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  Speaker 3: easier to play. And there's no way to, how would
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  Speaker 3: you say, there's no way to explain how the brain
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  Speaker 3: absorbs it and makes it easier other than saying, you know,
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  Speaker 3: if you learn to use a hammer and a nail,
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  Speaker 3: like the first time you used it, it's just, it
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  Speaker 3: kind of like clunky with it. But then the more
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: you use it, the easier it gets. And then after
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: a while, you just don't think about it. You just
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: like know where to put the nail and hit the hammer,
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: hopefully without hitting your fingers. But, you know, it's... It
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: does get easier. We make it easier without putting too
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: much effort into it if we allow ourselves.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: And even though you're not doing the activity necessarily like
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: at the instrument, your brain is amazing at creating like
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: the muscle memory, the neural pathways, even without sitting in
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: front of it, just breathing. Picturing it. I know it's
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: not something that everybody can do or everybody's really good at.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: but um it is something you can do when you
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: have some idle time in between you know the time
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: that you don't count like you know when you're in
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: the bathroom like you're washing your hands like what are
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: you thinking about right now that's when I do some
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: of my best songwriting, honestly.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Like I just got the song.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Playing in my head and I'm like, how is that
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: part going to go?
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Does it go like this? It's like, no, it doesn't
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: go like that. I'm like, oh, for my hands. Like, okay.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Like it goes like this. Hmm. That's what I'm thinking about.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: And I also find as an added benefit, because not
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: only are you still practicing, you're still making progress on
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: what you're working on, it's better than being stressed out.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: And worried about stuff all the time.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Like, cause that's, that's a song that when it gets
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: replayed over and over in your head leads to just
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: anxiety and crying and hiding under the blankets, at least
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: for me.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: But I think, I think that the over practicing causes
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: the anxiety. And then like the, somebody recently said to me,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: When you feel anxious, when you're on stage, remind yourself
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: why you're there and go with that instead of lean
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: on how you're feeling. Look at the purpose for why
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: you're there and that will take the anxiety out of it.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: I can agree with that.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: And now that you mentioned it, it's kind of one
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: of those, I didn't realize the rule was at play,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: but I get really nervous sometimes before performing, especially if
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I feel like.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: There's a new song and it's not going to go
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: very well or something like that.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: And my first internal reaction when I step up on,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: on stage is like.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Ron, what are you doing here? Are you kidding me
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: right now? This was stupid. This was a dumb idea, Heidi.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Why did you, but as soon as the music starts playing,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: it's usually the music that reminds me, this is why
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: you're up here. And again, I, the practice and the
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: muscle memory kicks in. So it's kind of like just
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: this warm, calming blanket that it's like.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: You got this, just have fun. Like it's okay.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: And it's also like wearing, like being a musician, I
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: find when I'm on stage, I'm wearing this cloak, this
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: cloak of this musicianship. And if I find myself like
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: going to a nervous place, I'll go be the character,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: wear the cloak. You're the magician who's the musician. So
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: just play it, you know, just like, yeah. I mean,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: I can hide behind the piano to some degree, but
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: I can't, but you know, behind a microphone, it's hard
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: to hide behind a microphone when you're in pure sight,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: you know, but, but yes, I found that that has
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: helped me being like that. I'm playing a character on
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: stage and, and just the audience in my head has
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: to just sit back and watch.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: So in what other ways do you think that you've
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: kind of shaped the way that you're doing music now
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: so that you don't really have to make any compromises
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: about what you want?
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: I think this is really funny and in some ways sad.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Growing up and when I played piano and I would
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: read music and play. Cause I read music as well
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: as compose my own music now. But when I would,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: when I would play music from notation, my dad would
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: always go, you know, that really wasn't that good. And
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: I would just be crushed, absolutely crushed. But then when
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: I would just go play something off the cuff without
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: any music, without any sheet music, my dad would be like, wow,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: that was really good. So I think, I think the constant,
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: the constant, um, Criticism growing up allowed me to have
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: thicker skin too. And plus I have my foot in
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: the door when it comes to filming and being on
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: stage as an actor and theater. I think that's really
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: helped train me to how I show up also. But
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: definitely my dad being critical of me growing up really
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: helped me like, just like, I don't care. Like you
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: don't like me up here, but I'm up here. So yeah.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: So it's, it's a gift to, It's a blessing in disguise.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I'm glad that you said that, too, because that's like
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: a huge part about what I'm helping artists with in
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: the different communities that I have is realizing that sometimes
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the situation seems really bad or the situation doesn't seem ideal.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: But how can you look at that situation in a
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: different way? that you can see what the gift or
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: opportunity really is in this situation. I think a lot
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: of times we're caught up in the stress and, you know,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: just what's going to happen, the worry about things, and
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: it can really cloud that creativity that, I mean, this.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Is something that as musicians, like, we are great at.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: We are very creative people.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: But it still can be very difficult to be creative
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: when there's been practicing too hard, focusing on those notes
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: too hard and not letting the feeling and emotion and
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: the whole reason why you got into it just shine
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: through with what you're doing.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that. Growing up, I
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: was in some ways extremely shy and afraid to like
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: speak my own voice. And as I grew up and
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: I'm still growing up, And as I grew up, I learned,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: you know what, like, I'm here. And I would remind myself,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: I don't deal I don't, we're talking about it now.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: But I really haven't thought about it, because I don't
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: deal with it anymore. You know, as we grow, we
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: kind of like, like an onion, we like shed layers.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: But there was a time where like, I would be
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: afraid to just like, be in the same room with
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: other people because I would just go on and go
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: run and hide. So forget about even being on stage.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: But yes, my acting skills, my acting classes, my music classes,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: the people I look up to have really impacted my
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: life and reminded myself to You're here. Speak up. People
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: want to hear you. People want to, you're here because,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: because people want you to be here. Other, you know,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: other people want to hear what you have to say.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: And again, I don't, I've shed that layer. So I
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: don't deal with that, but I think a lot of
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: people still might struggle with that. And, you know, we're all,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: I listened to a lot of motivational speakers and I
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: recently heard, heard somebody say, I can't think of his
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: name because there's so many, but he recently said, you know,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: you're here. So, so be here, be, be here because
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: you're supposed to, you know, we're all that part of
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: that wave. We're all a droplet in the ocean and
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: we need each other.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, I totally agree with that. And you know, we're
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: going to just take a real quick break here. But
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: when we come back, You and I are going to
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: wrap this rule up with a rule rewrite.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: are back and I am here, Hyde's Lynn here with
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Elisa Gold. And we're talking about the rule that to
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: succeed in the music industry, you're going to have to
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: lower your standards.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: You're going to have to make some sacrifices.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: And so we've been talking about how, I mean, I
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: was taught that when I was younger, but I certainly
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: don't see it to be true. Like believing that only
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: held me back. And what about for you, Lisa? Like,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: how do you think, like, that belief, like, really hurt
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: you the most?
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: As far as, like, there are so many different things. What,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: in particular to my performing, in particular to.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or some of the decisions that you made as
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: far as what direction you were going to go with
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: your music career, the kind of things that you decided
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: to make money with.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: So.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: When I was getting out of high school, I had
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: this idea that when I grow up, I want to
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: have this big family with like five or six kids.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go to college. I'm going to focus
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: on being a teacher or a veterinarian or a singer.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, I got to focus on something.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: So I thought, okay, let me go to college. Let
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: me get my degree as a teacher. And then I
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: can kind of like, I can detour. Like I don't
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: have to, I want to be structured. I want to
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: have something to fall back on, but then I also
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: want to go out in life and play. And, and
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: I actually, I'm detouring answering the question, but I'm answering
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: the question. I also did go to school to be
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: a veterinarian technician later on. And then I detoured back
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: to teaching. And then I found my voice in singing
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: and in performing, composing. And when I was teaching, I
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: was just teaching regular school. And then, as I mentioned
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: earlier in the show, when I was in my thirties,
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: I thought I need, I'm not honoring myself completely.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: Who am I?
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: What am I doing with my life? I'm a musician
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: by heart. I love music. I played music. What can
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: I do to contribute to the world, but then also
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: be able to make a living because the opportunity or
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: the cards on the table was not, okay, Lisa, Here's
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: a stage. We're going to pay you lots of money
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: to sing and to play piano like Billy Joel and
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Elton John. I just wasn't handed that card. So I
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: created my own way and I thought, okay, well, I'm
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: going to, at the time I was going through a
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: divorce and I thought I have to find my ground.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: And I decided to but it said be a music teacher,
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: piano teacher. And I just named it. I just said, okay,
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: I'm going to put it out in the universe called
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: it just play piano. And it just came to me.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: And then I started private lessons and I got really busy.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: And then I got invited to teach at the public school,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: teaching music lessons. And then it just snowballed into, you know,
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: one thing after another. And here we are 20 plus
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: years later. And I, And I was thinking about this
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: earlier because I always look at people. I'm like, oh, well,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: you know, they never change or that person changed a lot.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: But I think it's important to be consistent with what
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: we do like in a career in honoring ourselves. But
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: I also think it's it's healthy to grow like almost
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: like a plant with roots. Like you have your roots
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: that you need to nourish them in order to grow
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: and be able to like share your life. I don't know,
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: when you're a tree, you're a shade for others. So, yeah,
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: I think I'm talking too much, but I hope I
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: answered your question.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Well, sometimes trees have flowers and sometimes they have fruit too.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: So, you know, you never know what they might like.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: But no, I love that whole story because I think
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: it wraps into what we discussed that the rule change
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: was going to be, which is when I'm open to opportunities, I.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Can see opportunities all around.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Yes. And, and that it's like a perfect example, you know,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: it's not like, um, sometimes we don't have a clear
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: target of what we want to do for a while.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Like you've got to do other things and bounce around.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: And by the way, a veterinarian was on my list
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: of things. Um, and I worked with a wildlife rehabilitator
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: for a couple of years. I satisfied that I got to,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Baby bunnies.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: Anyway.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: I think we spoke about that. One of our first conversations.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: So I think, I think it's funny in some of
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: the similarities, but where the turning point I really noticed
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: in your story was, is I just declared I was.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Going to do this. Yeah.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: And, and those kinds of opportunities came your way. And,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: you know, you had a chance where you, you, tried
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: other things. You experienced other parts of life. And sometimes
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: it does take a while. Every time I see people like,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I turned 30. Is it too late for me in music?
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: And it's like, no, like you're just a baby. Like
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: you're just getting started figuring out like how you could
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: use music in a way that just amplifies your other
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: interests that you have.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Not, not to just to add to what you're saying.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: And it's, it's funny, I think when, so I went
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: to college to be a teacher and then life detoured.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: I went, I went to get my veterinarian assistant degree
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: and then I go, okay, well, I'm going to go
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: to school to be a veterinarian. And I went online
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: and I thought, okay, well, the situation, my life at
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: the time, I wasn't able to go to college and, and,
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: live somewhere else or move somewhere else and be at
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: the school. I had to do more online schooling. And
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: veterinarian school was not online. You had to be at
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: the school. And then what came up for me was, oh,
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: working with people in a hospital setting. And I don't
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: know how the two came about, but Heidi, I ended
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: up getting a job at the local hospital. And then
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: I took training through them and schooling through them to
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: be a polysonographist, which was, um, I focused on sleep
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: studies for several years and I worked a night job. And,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: and so the teaching, the music was set aside and
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: I was completely focused in the medical field. I'm like, okay, well,
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: parents always wanted me to be in the medical field. So,
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: you know, this, this shines light on me. Um, and then,
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: and then that kind of fell away and I went
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: back to teaching. Um, And I recently had a conversation
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: with a book publicist. And I said, oh, you know,
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: I might sound a little scattered. And she said something
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: that I will never forget. She said, oh, no, you're
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: not scattered. She goes, and this goes back to what
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: you said also. She goes, it's a synergy. All the
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: things that you've done is just a synergy that's coming together,
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: that's creating the musician that you are. Because the music
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: that you play is all a synergy of where you've
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: been and what's become of you. And I thought that
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: was so beautiful. And so I want to share that
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: with everybody out there. If you're a musician and you
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: have these other jobs, don't feel like it's a waste
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: of time. You're like a quilt, a quilt of different
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: patterns put together. And that's what makes you an artist.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's no joke. We are creative souls that
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: are here to entertain ourselves first, I think.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, that makes it fun, you know, when you
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: can entertain yourself.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I love how that was said because, I mean, first
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: of all, I think people don't realize like how long
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: it takes to grow up.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: You said it like we're still growing up.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Like I don't think the process never ends.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: There's never really an ending to that until like we
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: stop breathing.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Pretty much.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: And I think, yes, you can make a decision to
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: stop learning, but I don't know what.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: The fun of that.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Is. So you're always figuring it out as a musician
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: and there is no part of your interests and I mean,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: even when it comes down to you might have children
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: and a family, that dynamic wraps into what makes you special.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: From everyone else.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: You know, if you're worried about the AI music taking over,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: like this is your key.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Like this is.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: The thing that's going to make you outshine all of that.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: And I think that is a huge reason why I
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: wanted to do this podcast today. Because I have noticed
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: in myself on a regular basis, because I have slowed
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: down enough from the busy to notice now when there
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: are certain things that people have told me. And I'm like, ah,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I have disproven that. That is not true. That's not
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: the way we live our life. But then sometimes I
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: catch myself repeating old patterns that I thought maybe we
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: put to rest before. And so just like practicing an instrument,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: learning to catch yourself on these things is, it's the
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: same thing.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: It takes practice to get really good at it.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: So I really want to thank you, Lisa, for being here,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: talking through this rule and our rule change with me today.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: And I wanted to give you a little bit of
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: time to talk about your podcast and anything else that
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: you wanted to promote with your music that you're doing
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  Speaker 1: right now.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And thank you. And before I even say about my show,
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  Speaker 3: I want to I want to mention in honor of you.
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  Speaker 3: I think you're so special. And I think what you're
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  Speaker 3: doing and the guidance and support that you're providing, like
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  Speaker 3: it's not it's not recognized enough. And like you're the
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  Speaker 3: root cause challenge. I'm a part of that. And I
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  Speaker 3: love the program because it really helps me to like
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  Speaker 3: think about how I'm showing up. And so so thank you, Heidi.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so blessed to have you part of my life.
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  Speaker 3: And one of my I think we're all each other's teachers.
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  Speaker 3: So thank you. And I want to also mention rules,
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  Speaker 3: like from the beginning of our show, like looking at
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  Speaker 3: the rules. I tell my students, when you know the rules.
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  Speaker 3: you know how to break them, right? So definitely learn
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  Speaker 3: the rules. Yes, learn the rules, know what the rules are,
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  Speaker 3: but then you'll know how to break them because it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of like a Lego, like shimmy, I guess, like
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  Speaker 3: just a link missed. I'm thinking links like they come
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  Speaker 3: on down and then you just put them back, but,
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  Speaker 3: but not, not deceptive, not ugly, not negative. I'm thinking positive.
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  Speaker 3: If you know, with music rules, you know, know what
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  Speaker 3: the rules are, but know how you can, you can
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  Speaker 3: shift them a little bit so that it's, it's more
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  Speaker 3: improvised than, than I don't know if idealist is the
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  Speaker 3: right word, but, or I don't know, but anyway, so yes,
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  Speaker 3: I have a show called the sound of gold and,
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  Speaker 3: And my focus is on music musicians, music venues, music teachers,
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  Speaker 3: music schools, music composers, musicology, anything music. And I am,
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  Speaker 3: I don't, I used to say I want to be it,
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  Speaker 3: but I feel like I am that voice to shine
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  Speaker 3: the light on all the talent that is in our communities,
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  Speaker 3: all the guests that I have on my show to
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  Speaker 3: shine the light on you because, uh, We need each other.
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  Speaker 3: The way the world is going with AI, you can never,
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  Speaker 3: you can never, there's no comparison for the human emotion
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  Speaker 3: and the human playing an instrument and, and record, not recording,
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  Speaker 3: but playing live. You can't AI that. You can't AI your,
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  Speaker 3: your heart and your emotion. I'm sorry, but no disrespect
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  Speaker 3: to the AI world. I'm sure there, there is a
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  Speaker 3: lot of perks to it and a lot of, great
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  Speaker 3: technology that I don't even understand or know about to
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  Speaker 3: say enough about. But my show is focused on music
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  Speaker 3: and bringing all of our talented folks in our communities
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  Speaker 3: of all ages to shining the light on you and
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  Speaker 3: them and to say, you know, just because your name
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  Speaker 3: is not Billy Joel or Elton John, it doesn't mean
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  Speaker 3: you don't have a name. You do. And your music
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  Speaker 3: and your light shines just as bright.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I love that, Lisa. That's a great way to
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  Speaker 2: wrap up the show.
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  Speaker 1: And I just want to say to everyone out there
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  Speaker 1: that's been watching this episode, go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: It's OK.
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  Speaker 1: Take some time and question what you've been told about
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  Speaker 1: what's possible with your music career. And, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: use the word career and maybe that word even feels
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  Speaker 1: like weird to you. in combination with music. Maybe you
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  Speaker 1: thought those two words don't go together, but start to
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  Speaker 1: realize what things are important to you in your life
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  Speaker 1: and what kind of experiences that you want to have.
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  Speaker 1: And the more you're open to focusing on those ideas,
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  Speaker 1: the more likely you're going to be open and see
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  Speaker 1: those opportunities so that you can stop sacrificing.
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  Speaker 2: You don't need to have lower standards. Just go do it.
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  Speaker 1: And find a community because you're right, Lisa. Like we
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  Speaker 1: need each other more than anything.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we do.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me on your show, Heidi.
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  Speaker 2: You're welcome, Lisa.
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  Speaker 1: And I can't wait to catch the next episode of
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  Speaker 1: your show, The.
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  Speaker 2: Sound of Gold.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: And for everyone else out there, I just want to
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  Speaker 1: ask you, what rule.
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  Speaker 2: Are you ready to rewrite?
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  Speaker 1: This is Heidselin and you've been listening to Do Music
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  Speaker 1: Differently on W4WN Radio.
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  Speaker 2: Your next breakthrough could begin with one new rule.
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  Speaker 1: Scan the QR code or visit heidselincoaching.com slash let's chat
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  Speaker 1: and
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  Speaker 2: Tell me what rule are you ready to rewrite?