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Random Heathen Ramblings: S6, EP12 - Monthly Live Broadcast [April 2025] · Random Heathen Ramblings

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Thank you, Michael for being the first live commenter, followed
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right behind by Voodoo Viking over here on YouTube.
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So both of you fellas there, thank you very much for your
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support and for being here tonight to listen to the
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Ramblings a bit and answer your questions, talk about topics
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that might be on your mind and some other people's minds.
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We've got something that came through about a month ago over
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on my Patreon chat that we're going to be getting into today,
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kind of one of those topics that we'll probably all think about a
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bit. It's not really particularly
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like, you know, the heathen religion or anything like that
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or faith or Folkway or whatever, but more or less just how we
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behave in the world around us that.
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Or or or. How we could be potentially
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impacted by other behavior in the world around us.
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So hey, hello to David Klen. Good evening.
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Glad you're able to catch this too.
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Man, that was good to see your name pop up here on the screen.
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So I hope you're doing down. Hope you're doing well down
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there in Columbia, TN. So if this is your first time
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Booty Viking is says he's mighty fine and so said every lady I've
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ever been with. Leo, I hope it was true.
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Fairly bite. However, that one time at band
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camp, there's always that one time, you know, there's always
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that one time at band camp, there's always, there was always
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the, the, the French horn, you know, or the tuba or or whatever
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it was, the trumpet. I don't know.
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Various things happen at band camp that we do or do not talk
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about. Yeah.
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I hope you're all doing well tonight.
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Thank you for being here. Anything that pops up that you
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want to talk about or have questions about, feel free to
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let me know, but we're just going to really kind of just
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jump right into it here shortly. I do just want to say that this
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past weekend in in Murfreesboro, TN, matter of fact, it was just
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yesterday, the time of this broadcast, which is Monday of
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course. So yesterday on Sunday had a
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bunch of people show up to a local park in the city where we
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had a secret bloat celebration. So that was fun.
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It was more more, you know, just a for to the untrained eye or
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to, you know, the passers by, it was just a family cookout, you
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know, a bunch of people sitting around having food.
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But there was some clues and, and hints of, of things like a,
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you know, a table with some, some, some God pieces and some
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incense burning and things like that as a as an altar.
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And there were people gathered around for a little ritual that
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we did just to kind of commemorate the importance of
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our our victory sacrifice, our victory bloke this year.
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So that was my first time actually doing a public bloat or
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I wouldn't say it's a bloat, but at my public ritual, you know
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what I mean? And so it was, it was new
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territory for me to venture into.
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I've only ever done things of that nature with my closed off
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kind of, you know, people who I know and in, in places where I'm
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more comfortable, you know, so either in the privacy of my yard
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or in a more very rural setting or area where, you know,
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there's, there's no outside eyes, you know what I mean?
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So to be in a public park where there are other families and
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other people enjoying the day 'cause it was a beautiful day in
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Tennessee, the Middle Tennessee yesterday was, you know, bright
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sunny skies, a nice breeze blowing, you know, in the 70s,
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just a perfect day to be outside and enjoying it.
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So everybody else, you know, in the in the community that we're
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at that we're out that day or are seeing, you know, me kind of
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wearing what I wear, you know, the tunic and, and we got, you
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know, a bunch of people gathered around this table and we're, you
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know. It's very obvious.
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That we're doing something of a kind of spiritual or even maybe
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religious nature. But thankfully nobody bothered
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us like it was no, nobody, you know, disrespected our, our
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time, which I was relieved for because again, having never done
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anything like this in a public way, I had my reservations and I
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was a bit anxious, you know what I mean?
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And I didn't want that feeling to transfer into the ritual.
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I didn't want my, my worries or my fretting to, to, to impact
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how the ritual was done. So I, I took a lot of, you know,
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time in, you know, the day prior and, and even the day of to kind
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of just sit with my feelings and realize that this, there are
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things that are out of our control.
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You know, there's things in our lives that are out of our
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ability to, to, to, to, to control anything.
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So it, to worry about the outcome of something like that
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is no good. It, it doesn't do well for my
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spirit, doesn't do well for the people around me 'cause that
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energy is felt and that energy is shared, you know, hey there,
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we got sculd. It works.
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That just joined over here on YouTube says greetings.
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What did I miss? Not a whole lot there, Blake.
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I'm just kind of telling people about the cigar bloke thing that
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I did yesterday in Murfreesboro, TN.
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And just the sense of, you know, I've, I think I've talked a bit
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before about people have asked, you know, like, you know, can
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you hold ritual in a public space?
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And I've always been very reserved about that idea because
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to me, you know, setting sacred space and, and having ceremony
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and ritual like that, you know, should be done with the right
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people and, and in the right environment and all this kind of
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thing. And so I have, I've had my
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reservations. So yesterday, being my first
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time conducting A ritual, kind of leading that presiding over
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ritual in a public space was new territory for me.
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So being nervous about it, having anxiety about it, I had
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to sit with those feelings and know how to process it and then
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release it and let it go and let what was to happen to happen,
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you know, do my best with it. And again, it worked out.
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It worked out fine. I asked for a lot of feedback
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from people or, you know, I asked for feedback from several
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people saying, hey, you know, how do you think it went?
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You know, I think I could have done better, right?
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I like to get that feedback. And I mean, I didn't get
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anything of, you know, constructive criticism or
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anything. It was like it was great for
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what? For what it was and for what you
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were able to do. We, we definitely felt what you
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were trying to provide for us in the ritual and and then
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everything that you did. So I'm thankful for that.
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Cigar blow. Yes.
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Fire, fire, fire. Raining blood.
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Yeah. Like a Slayer.
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Like, like Slayer, you know, from a lacerated sky.
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So we couldn't do that. Obviously.
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We couldn't have blood, not Even so much of the fact that it was
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in a public park. Because if I had the, if I, if I
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had been able to obtain food grade, you know, safe to consume
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regulated animal blood, it would have been part of the ritual.
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Not in any great amount. It would have been just, you
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know, a little sprinkle here or there.
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But I had fully intended on doing that.
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But I just, I couldn't get any. None of the markets in the area,
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none of the butchers had it. I even asked, you know,
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international markets between here and Nashville.
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They didn't have it. That's a funny story.
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I, I went into, I went into one place and I knew just from
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walking in. I'm like nobody here speaks
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English like, or at least it's not their native language
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because I walked in and I was, you know, the whitest person in
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that, in that, in that Mercado, you know, in that Mercado.
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So I was like the Dennis Sangre or Comer, you know, like I don't
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know Spanish very well. I'm like, I know blood and I
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know for eating. So I'm like, do you have life
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for eating? And they no, no, no, no, no.
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OK, all right, bye. Adios.
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So yeah, that was that was funny.
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Have to get in there and and ask for that.
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But no, we just I what I ended up doing was I ended up making
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like a tea. I tried to collect as many of
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the herbs that are mentioned in the 9 herbs charm to kind of
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make this infusion of a liquid and I got most of them.
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You know, obviously there were some things that either weren't
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growing around here or that I just couldn't obtain.
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But I, you know, I got probably more than half of the 9 charms.
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I got probably about 5:00 or so of the mentioned 9 charms or,
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you know, something close to it, not of the, of the 9 herbs of
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that charm. And, you know, let it kind of
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simmer and steep in a in a in a pot that morning, transferred
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over into a bowl when we got there and then used a a sprig of
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cedar as the hot Tang to dip into it and then bless the
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people with and give them a blessing as I went through and
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did it. So, you know, it was it was it
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was nice and and everybody appreciated it and they
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everybody got something out of it.
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Sculd it works is I have Oh yeah, I have that feeling as
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well every time that I hold ritual in my backyard.
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No fence. Our backyard, you know, where I
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live is, is, you know, it's a, it's a trailer Park Community, a
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nice one, but we're still, you know, next to another family's
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home with no privacy fence. We have a chain link fence to
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keep our pets in, in contained areas, but we don't have, you
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know, a privacy fence. So, you know, but they, they
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keep to themselves and they keep their blinds closed.
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So it's, it works out well. Like what we do in that side of
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the house. We, we are respectful of other
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people, but we don't get super crazy wild and loud and
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disruptive. But I get it.
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It's a little bit different though, when you're in like a
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public park and there's, you know, families of kids and, and
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other things going on around you.
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Voodoo Vikings, is that the few times that I've done public
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ritual always, always went tits up.
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Well, you know, I, I, I, I can't say that, you know, this time
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or, you know, or any time that you, that you have something
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isn't, you know, something could there's always a potentiality
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for it. So I mean, just use it as a
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learning experience. You know, Asian market sell food
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grade pig's blood in Brits. Yeah, but each state has its
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way. Yeah, we have, I mean, a lot of
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the international markets here do sell it.
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They just didn't have any, you know, so they definitely cook
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with it like the, the Latin communities and, and the Asian
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communities definitely use it to cook with.
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It's a great ingredient to cook with, you know, you know, just
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as like a as a thickener, you know what I mean?
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Something to help emulsify like a Stew or whatever with.
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Yeah, it's called it where it says next door is a parking lot
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for an Event Center. Yeah.
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So, you know, you got a lot of activity and stuff going on
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there was the Vikings saying here, yeah, Asian markets
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usually sell food grade. Oh, OK.
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Yeah. And then people have been using
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meat or alcohol instead of replacement of blood.
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So I didn't because of the nature of, you know, meat,
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especially it's, it's a lot of sugar or high sugar content, you
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know, I mean with the honey it, it gets super sticky and I
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didn't want with sprinkling people with Mead because I
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wanted something that, you know, I could bless people with.
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And if it was blood, obviously that can wash off pretty easily.
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But when you're talking about like Mead and this, you know,
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like. Sure.
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Yeah, I guess you could. Wash it off.
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But I'm like, it's spring, almost summertime.
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The flies and just the bugs and stuff.
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I'm like, this is the last thing that people are going to want is
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if it gets honey wine sprinkled on them is to have to worry
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about, you know, feeling sticky and then bugs bother them and
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this so that. So I, I went with tea, which
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again, not traditional, but because of referencing the 9
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herbs trauma said, well, this is something that we can at least
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say that the, the meaning of these herbs, you know, like the
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mugwort and the, the chamomile and the lamb's Crest and the
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crabapple and, you know, all the various things that are
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mentioned in the 9 herbs charm have various meanings for the,
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for their use associated with them in a, in a ritual sense.
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So maybe they weren't used for teas.
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However, it was, it was my way of trying to incorporate that
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into the ritual, the meanings of everything and explaining it to
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people, what the importance of it was.
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And then giving them the chance to research it themselves and
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say, hey, you know, learn something about what the 9 herbs
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charm is and, and its significance to, you know,
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medicine and, and, and even ritual ceremony and things.
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It's called it or sorry Voodoo Vikings is made blood sausage
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and that's when I always I've gotten blood.
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Yeah blood sausage. It's delicious if you've never
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had it before right. It's good stuff and then scald
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it works is alcohol is frowned upon in public spaces as well
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without a license. Yeah.
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And listen like we I I I did bring Mead.
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I brought enough as as the gift to the divine.
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You know, that was our gift to the gods for cigar bloat because
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blood wasn't an option, you know, from a traditional sense.
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The blood usually being the offering of the animal that was
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consumed at bloat or during bloat.
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The the blood was what the gift to the divine was.
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So we bless the people with that tea mixed with some of the herbs
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mentioned in the 9 herbs charm. And then the gift to the gods
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was alcohol. We brought some of Raven
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Moonheart's Mead and poured it into a bowl.
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And there was no consumption of it, but it was there for
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religious purposes, you know, and it was kept in that context
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throughout the whole event. There was, it was not out on the
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dining table. So even if like, let's just say
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off a whim, like, you know, law enforcement wants to show up and
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give us crap about it, There was, we had religious, what do
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you call that exemption? You know, so even it was, it was
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only just, you know, like a, a little bit enough to pour into
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a, a small offering bowl. Yeah.
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Blood in heat ain't much better. It does, it gets sticky.
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I mean, yeah, it's, I know. I've, I've been, I've, I've
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slaughtered plenty of cattle to know what blood gets like after
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it gets on you. So it all worked out actually
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pretty well considering. Yeah, you get, you know, it's,
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it's an animal product, you know what I mean?
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So when it does warm up, it, it tends to turn and it smells not
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so nice. It stinks.
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So getting it on you and and having to deal with it and you
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know it because we didn't have it available to us and it was
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being in a public park, it actually kind of worked out.
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I didn't say it kind of worked out.
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Well, it worked out perfectly. It was, it was the right thing
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for us not to have blood in the public park.
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Schizo over here on YouTube says that in, in my mind, your
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intention was known and that's what was shared by everybody.
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You know, that I asked for feedback about it was it was
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appreciated and and the intentions of, you know, what I
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went through into doing this. You know, I had a purpose in
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mind why I wanted to, to, to it's cigar blow, right?
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So we want to celebrate our victory.
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So I wanted, I wanted more to be about that than about the, the
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various mechanics of the ritual. You know, I wanted, I wanted the
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ritual ceremony parts to, to mention, you know, you know,
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where, where, as you know, as warriors seek victory in battle
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and as farmers seek victory in their crops and as, and as
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travelers seek victory in their, in their journeyings, You know,
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like we are also seeking victories over the struggles of
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our lives and no matter what we're going through, right?
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Like celebrate those victories and use those wins to help us
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achieve even more and, and win more victories.
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And, you know, and, and even the downfalls or the pitfalls or
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the, OR the things when times go tits up, as we Viking says, you
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know, that we, that we use those moments as opportunities to
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learn, you know, so it was very nice, you know, to, to be able
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to serve the people that, that type of medicine, you know,
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that, that type of experience and to be there to partake of it
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with them. It was my first, again, you
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know, public ritual. So it was, it was an honor to,
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to be in the position to, to serve that type of thing and to
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be there to, to experience it with everybody.
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ANYWAYS, going into kind of, let's say the main topic of the
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show, but you know, something that I wanted to breach as a
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topic here. This is one that might strike a
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lot of people because of their personal feelings.
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So feel free to chime in in the comments if you want.
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But it came through as a comment from one of my patrons on
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Patreon. He also follows me here on
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Facebook, but I've redacted his last name just for the sake.
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Of anonymity. I very crudely redacted it.
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It's, it's scribbled out, but I'm going to read it out loud
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because in case you miss it or you don't want to pause your
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screen or whatever after it's been up.
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This gentleman was watching the anniversary podcast.
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So last month's live stream, I had a bunch of panelists that
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come on the show, a bunch of friends of mine and guests
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attend that live stream. And they were, as you know, like
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four or five of us all on screen together.
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And one of the things that came up during that topic was
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organizations or the just organization in general, right?
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Having order and organization in our heathen communities.
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And this prompted a question from Robert.
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And he's saying, you know, with the radical rise of Islam, a
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religion that will kill us for our faith, do we need to be more
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organized? And I guess we meaning like
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heathens. And he says, you know, many
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heathens wine. And I like how you put wine
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with, you know, like as in the drink, but, you know, complain
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or whine about Christianity. But Islam is another beast
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altogether. And I wouldn't, I wouldn't
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necessarily disagree, you know, with that sentiment.
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But I'm going to tell you something.
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Any organized religion and, and Christianity and Islam both have
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been known as being the power religions of the world, you
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know, the most more powerful religions of the world because
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both religions have killed people for or in the name of
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their God, in the name of their religion, you know, and it's
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really just a testament, I think of what religion can do to
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people on a much smaller scale. We've, we've seen instances
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where, you know, people who claim to be heathens
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misappropriate and misuse symbols and figures of our lore
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and, and names of sagas and things and different, you know,
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the symbols and, and, and all that.
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To, to, to do. Things of a villainous nature of
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a, of a dishonorable nature, or they hurt people or they, they
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bring harm to people to the point of, of, of killing them
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also, you know, in the name of what they believe in.
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So, you know, the threat of organized religion, whether you
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know, whatever you want to, you know, and I don't know what what
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kind of sparked this with with the focus on on Islam more so
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than Christianity. Because, you know, the heathenry
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never had a time, at least that I'm not aware of, that the
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Muslims were going after heathens to try and convert them
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to Islam. That was happening with
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Christians when the Christian Franks under Charlemagne, you
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know, went to convert the Saxons during that, during the Saxon
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wars, it was violent. It was convert or die, you know,
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and it was convert to Christianity.
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Nothing like that happened towards Christian, towards
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heathens from, from, from Muslims.
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But the Muslims have to have their own dark history and their
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dark parts. I'm, I'm very good friends with
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the, with an Islamic gentleman who's also a content creator.
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Doesn't, he doesn't do religious or, or Islamic, you know,
28:26
content. He's, he's more of a food
28:28
content creator type of person. But he's, I mean, he's very
28:32
devout in his beliefs. I don't know how devout.
28:35
I mean, I don't want to speak out of turn with regards to how
28:40
he, how devoutly he practices. I'll just say that, you know, on
28:45
their holy tides, you know, I'm always sending him
28:48
acknowledgments. You know, whether it's Ramadan
28:50
or whether it's Ed or whatever it might be that I know is is
28:54
going on, I'll, I'll send an acknowledgement.
28:57
He is a you. Know white American man from,
29:01
from West Virginia and he speaks Arabic like fluently, you know,
29:04
like, so he takes his religion seriously, at least enough to
29:08
the point of learning the language.
29:10
And he's, he's the opposite of, of what you, you know, hear of a
29:16
lot of in the negative media of, of, of Islamic radicals and
29:20
stuff. And I think that's, that's,
29:22
that's the operative word, right, guys?
29:23
It's, you know, any religion, no matter what, whether, whether
29:26
it's Christianity, whether it's Islam, you know, whether it's
29:31
these, these heathens, they're all radical extremists.
29:35
And, and anybody that uses their religion to, you know, bring
29:40
harm to others, you know, they're, they're, they're
29:45
poisoned. They, they've, they've taken
29:48
what their doctrine is and, and they've twisted it.
29:51
Now there are, you know, certain things.
29:54
I think, you know, you study religion, you study theology
29:56
enough and you're going to find things about any doctrine, you
30:00
know, that is a horrible for, for modern context or for any
30:05
point in time, really. You think about like, you know,
30:08
wow, you know, like the, some of the stuff that you read about in
30:11
the, in the Christian Old Testament or the in, in Judeic
30:14
test, you know, some of the old Levitical laws in the old things
30:17
from, from that period of time. It was brutal.
30:20
It was terrible stuff, you know, and, and it's been the cause of
30:24
the reason why a lot of folks abandoned those religions, you
30:27
know, and myself included. I won't, I won't shy away from
30:30
that, you know, admission to say that one of the things that led
30:38
me away from, from my, from my upbringing in, in a, in a sort
30:43
of Christian worldview was, was reaching a point in my life
30:48
where I stopped believing what I was told and, and just being LED
30:54
blindly, just believing what I was being told.
30:56
Started thinking for myself and started researching for myself
30:59
and started, you know, testing and improving things, you know,
31:07
after I get to the point, after I got to a certain point that I,
31:10
you know, there were certain things just didn't sit right
31:11
with me, you know, and I was not met with answers that I felt
31:17
were sufficient to justify the actions, You know, and I've
31:28
talked a bit about it over the years too, 'cause I mean, I'm,
31:30
I'm going on, you know, about 10 years now of, of being a
31:34
heathen. And, you know, those early years
31:40
while my parents were still alive and, and having them ask
31:49
me about what I believed in because it was obvious that I
31:51
wasn't, you know, I didn't just come out and tell them one day,
31:55
hey, guess what, Mom and dad, you know, I'm a Pagan, you know,
31:58
I'm a heathen because I knew how that was going to go.
32:00
You know, based on my upbringing, I knew that those
32:02
were, those were, those are the bad guys, right?
32:06
For, for the Christians and stuff.
32:08
And then what I believed in those is, you know, that's not
32:11
what you want to be labeled as they're known as.
32:13
So I'm like, I'm not going to just openly tell them about it.
32:16
But I'm also not going to be untrue to what I believe and
32:20
what was calling to me and what I felt like I wanted to, to
32:23
pursue. But when the inevitable day came
32:27
for my parents to ask me a question, what do you believe in
32:31
exactly? I couldn't lie.
32:34
I didn't want to lie. I had to be honest.
32:36
And I think, you know, once that happened and once they knew,
32:41
they didn't want to be educated, they didn't want to know
32:42
anymore. They heard the word heathen,
32:44
they heard the word Pagan and they go up, you know, Jesse's
32:49
the devil, Jesse's possessed. Jesse is the enemy now.
32:53
And didn't matter what I was doing, you know, with the good
32:56
works that the, the things that I was doing to help them, it's,
33:02
it was, you know, you're not, you don't believe what we
33:05
believe anymore. You're not following Jesus
33:09
Christ, you're not following God, you know, and this and that
33:11
and you're. So therefore it doesn't matter
33:14
what you're doing. And I, I couldn't, I asked, I
33:17
said, you know, I thought your doctrine says that, you know, we
33:20
are known by our works and that faith without those works is
33:24
dead. So what, what, what matters if,
33:26
if, if what I believe doesn't exactly line up with your faith?
33:30
I'm, I'm my, I'm being known. I should be known by my works.
33:33
And this is my, the works that I do, are they good or are they
33:38
bad? If you're going, if you're going
33:40
to be that absolute about things, if you're going to deal
33:42
in absolutes, you know, you're going to say that I'm evil,
33:46
right? Because if I'm either good or
33:48
evil, I'm either one or the other.
33:49
There's no middle area with you guys.
33:50
If I'm one or the other, then look at my works and judge me by
33:54
my works. If you're going to judge me, you
33:56
know, or not, judge me. But if you're going to judge
33:58
anything, judge the works I do and do the works that I do.
34:01
Are they good or are they not? And I, I never got a clear
34:06
answer from them about about that.
34:09
So you know, I had to kind of accept the fact that it was, you
34:19
know, them against me. Phoenix samurai over here on
34:25
YouTube just commented. I think that some organization
34:28
can be a good thing for Norse paganism, especially since part
34:33
of what we know is so fragmented.
34:36
With that being said, watch the sources you select to learn
34:40
from. Oh yeah, sorry to yeah, so I got
34:46
your, yeah, I saw a point PPT, but I got the, you know, a lot.
34:50
So so yeah, I mean, like, and let's explore this, you know,
34:53
let's explore the, the organization for, you know,
34:58
Norse paganism. And and this is this is one of
35:00
those things where I don't like to split hairs too much with
35:03
people, but I I do want to make a differentiation between
35:07
certain things. Norse paganism, you know, that's
35:12
its own thing. Germanic Heathenry, you know,
35:15
that's its own thing. Also true is its own thing.
35:19
Also do is its own thing. Foreign, save it says is its own
35:23
thing. Anglo-Saxon Heathenry is its own
35:28
thing. Fayette ISM, they're they're
35:32
their own thing. You know what I mean?
35:33
There's there's all these various components.
35:35
So it is to, you know, to put heathenry and lump it under one
35:40
category. Like it's yes, there's a lot of
35:43
similarities. Yes, there are a lot of things
35:44
that we can we speak a lot of the same language when it comes
35:48
to the belief of the Norse gods, Germanic gods, right ancestor
35:55
worship or veneration, the land spirits and the OR the whites or
35:58
the Vaitir, you know, like these are terms and these are things
36:00
that we can all relate with. But there's certain things about
36:08
Germanic Heathenry, Germanic polytheism, Germanic paganism, I
36:11
guess that is not all the same, you know, And so it needs to be
36:17
the, the, the organization, I think that we're that we're
36:20
wanting to maybe see happen is that more of the groups that are
36:27
doing what they're doing. So, you know, if, if the also
36:29
true people want to do what they're doing and, and they want
36:33
to follow a Wiccan wheel of the year and whatever, then fine,
36:36
all well and good. Do your thing and be organized
36:38
with it and be to come together to, to, to, to form a coalition
36:42
or a confederacy or a unification of, of things.
36:45
There's, there's just too much infighting that's going on.
36:48
You know, people talk about Robert was talking about, you
36:50
know, organization and worrying about the other religions
36:53
killing us or putting us down and we're doing it to ourselves.
36:57
Pagans are are are ruining them themselves with the fickle BS
37:02
that they fight about, you know? Hey, he, he, he.
37:06
Called me a name. She, you know, said this to my
37:09
husband. I, you know, he smells funny,
37:12
you know, whatever it's, it's all this fickle stuff that
37:14
nobody wants to work through and get, get sorted.
37:16
And it can be get it can be sorted rightly, it can be done.
37:20
But Nope, we're going to, we're going to just bicker and we're
37:23
going to fight. And then, and then when these
37:25
people over here want to fight and they can't agree what are,
37:29
what are those people going to do?
37:30
They're going to, they're going to go over here to this other
37:31
side of the town, the other side of the state where they're going
37:34
to make their own group where everybody else can get along and
37:35
they could be all happy, go lucky and this and that.
37:37
Look, how are you going to be able to resolve conflict unless
37:40
you're facing the conflict? So I'm not so much worried about
37:44
the outside as I am about what's going on within and in all this
37:47
infighting. So all that works is they try to
37:50
stay away from mentioning belief names like Pagan or heathen
37:53
when, when someone asks me what I believe in, because I usually
37:56
see that or I usually see that I believe that all things contain
38:01
a spirit and consciousness and that's beautiful.
38:06
That's very animistic and Heathenry is, you know, it fits
38:11
well, animism is, is something that fits really well into a
38:17
heathen worldview. And even that, you know what I
38:23
mean? Like even that, like I've seen
38:25
so many posts online from people that see native indigenous song
38:32
being sung, you know, drummings and, and prayers and, and, and
38:37
certain ceremonial things that get shared online.
38:39
And I see, you know, people dogging the shit out of those
38:43
practices, talking about how it's devil worship or this that
38:46
the ignorance just that comes through people online.
38:48
Just, I don't know if it's just to seek attention.
38:51
You know, maybe they're lonely at night and they don't have
38:54
enough people that call them or text them or whatever.
38:56
I don't know. But even the purest of things
39:03
that cause no harm to others are getting ripped apart by the
39:08
ignorant. So wherein do our obligations
39:12
lie when it comes to stuff like that?
39:13
You know, we as, as, as heathens who do practice, however openly
39:17
we decide to, to do so. You know, like I talked about
39:22
having a ritual in a public park, you know, Well, is it, is
39:29
it our right? Should we be able to attend a, a
39:33
City Park or a county park? A public space, should we be
39:36
able to be out in nature and enjoy one another's company and
39:41
express our beliefs, our spiritual beliefs.
39:45
And I'm going to say the word religious beliefs, but I'm going
39:47
to say it cautiously because I understand the implications that
39:51
religion has when you talk about organized religions, big
39:55
religions, right? Religion is a man made thing.
39:58
It's a man made construct and it's meant to control.
40:02
It's meant to put fear and to control people.
40:07
I'm talking about religion or religiosity, the religious
40:11
aspects of our beliefs in the context of our relationship with
40:16
the divine, not necessarily spirit.
40:19
You know, the, the, the things like Blake from Scarlett works
40:22
is talking about everything has a spirit and a consciousness.
40:25
You know, the animistic side of things.
40:26
That is, those are those are things that exist within our
40:29
profane space and time. They may not be visible to the
40:32
naked eye, to us all the times, but they exist in our space and
40:35
time. When I'm talking about the gods,
40:38
the sacred, the divine, you know these are in sacred space and
40:42
time and therefore to to to classify them in a different
40:47
category. I use the term religious right.
40:50
So understand the context in which I'm using religious right.
40:53
So when pagans are hedons, how you want to label find
40:56
themselves in a space, A public space, and they want to express
40:59
themselves in, in the religious nature of what they believe in.
41:04
You can't just go out and start drumming and hooting and
41:07
hollering and lighting a fire and then doing things that are
41:11
disruptive to the public. That could be seen as, you know,
41:14
red flags. You know, it's, you got to be,
41:17
we got to think a bit about our, our, our, our, how we're
41:22
projected, how we're, how we're presenting ourselves to the
41:26
public, You know, because listen, like I, you know, I
41:29
wanted our, our gatherings or I would like our gatherings to be
41:32
welcoming to people who are going, wow, you know, looks like
41:36
you guys are having a nice time. Or I saw that, that, that table
41:39
that you have over there with the incense and the, you know,
41:41
the little statues, you know, what is, what is that?
41:43
Maybe they're curious, Maybe they see something that is
41:46
spirit trying to reach them. Maybe maybe something in their
41:51
spirit is, is lighting a fire or sparking an interest in them to
41:57
want to ask a question. So into to be approachable and
41:59
to be conducting ourselves in a way that brings honor to what we
42:06
believe in and brings honor to our ancestors and, and upholds
42:09
us in an honorable way. You know, I think that's
42:11
important. So to be out here just, you
42:13
know, acting a fool in a public space, it, it's, it's a bad,
42:18
it's a bad look. You know, it's not a good
42:21
representation of our of our beliefs, however you want to
42:24
classify them or in whatever category you want to put them.
42:28
Scarlet Works is noting that some people are afraid or some
42:33
people who people who are afraid of magic secretly believe in
42:37
magic. The same goes for other pagans.
42:39
They act as if we can harm them. Yeah.
42:43
You know, like people fear what they don't understand.
42:48
That's been the case for for a long time.
42:51
You know, it's people are afraid of what they don't understand
42:54
and what they can't explain. So, you know, seeing a group of
42:57
people who are standing around in a circle or a semi circle
42:59
around, you know, an altar, you know, and they're they're
43:04
reciting prayers or they're saying or they're doing things
43:07
that maybe in an anguish that they don't understand.
43:10
It can look very intimidating and frightening even.
43:15
But there's an allure, you know, like, I think you like you bring
43:17
up a good point. Their skull, it works.
43:19
Like people that say they don't believe in it.
43:20
There's this like mystique about it, you know, there's this
43:25
interest to want to explore that side of things.
43:30
So, yeah, Skeeto, the entire world is going insane and people
43:34
can't live and let live even for minor disagreements.
43:38
They just they, you know, and I blame social media, you know, I
43:43
mean, hell, here's a platform that I'm kind of moderating in a
43:48
way, but I'm using a third party, you know, I'm using a
43:51
platform to put thoughts and stuff out here.
43:54
And you know, people are free to to express how they feel and
44:00
what they want to say even up even right now.
44:03
I mean, I could, I could be going about this a totally
44:06
different way. And I'm sure, you know, you
44:08
know, you look back on enough of my content, you're going to see
44:10
some some wacky comments. You know, people could just you
44:12
could, you could easily just scroll by, you know, but no,
44:15
people like to set themselves out and get the and try to get
44:18
the attention that they so desperately need.
44:21
The the, you know, the validation.
44:25
That's really mostly what it's about.
44:28
Hey there, Azure Phoenix. Great to see you here again on
44:33
the live stream, they say over there on YouTube.
44:35
So if you want people to learn, you have to be willing to teach
44:41
in, in my opinion, the the unwillingness to teach and to
44:44
share is a big problem in many spaces.
44:49
Yeah, that's true schizo she's or they're agreeing.
44:52
Sorry that I believe that the believe and let others believe
44:56
as they live or as they like. But if someone asks, I'll tell
44:59
them and invite them to share with me in return.
45:03
And yes, you know, you bring up a good point there that you
45:06
know, to if, if, if you, if you want people to learn, then you
45:08
should be willing to teach and you know.
45:16
Always a student. I've been, you know, I've been
45:20
even for 10 years roughly now close to nearing, I guess if I
45:24
have to. I, I didn't like mark a calendar
45:27
or whatever, but I know that I'm in my 10th year and I've been
45:32
looked at in the community in my area, as, you know, a teacher
45:38
and I have this platform, you know, so people, you know, I,
45:42
I've even had people come up to me in person and be like, I want
45:45
to call you brother because you know, what you say means so much
45:48
to me. And I'm like, I don't know you,
45:50
man. I don't know you like that,
45:52
don't like, I'm not trying to be mean, but I mean, back, back
45:56
off, you know, like, I appreciate that you feel that
46:00
way. It's nice for you to think that
46:03
that's, you know, like if there's a kinship between us,
46:05
but until we get to know each other more or better, you know,
46:10
reserve that title. Don't, don't, please don't just
46:12
use that title of kinship. So casually, you know, know who
46:19
the people you are talking to and interacting with and
46:21
engaging with before you ever get to the point of wanting to,
46:26
you know, exchange titles of kinship with them.
46:30
Or, and at least understand and respect the fact that if they
46:33
don't want to give you that name or that title in return, that
46:39
it's not a dis, you know, disrespect or it's not an insult
46:43
towards you. That person could be very
46:46
particular about who they bestow that title upon.
46:49
So if you address them in a familial way and they don't
46:52
return the favour, try not to take it seriously or, or
46:56
personally, I should say, because it's, or maybe just ask,
46:59
you know, like, Hey, I've been calling you this, does this
47:01
bother you? You know what I mean?
47:03
I don't care. Like if people want to call me
47:04
that, I'm not going to, I've said it enough.
47:06
I'm not going to beat a dead horse about it.
47:08
But I'm also, I also stand by what I believe and I'm not going
47:12
to just throw that title out to anybody.
47:14
But in the same way, you know, when I, what are, you know, when
47:18
I do encounter those people and they're like, well, you know,
47:19
what can I call you? Oh man, I'm just Jessie, you
47:22
know, like, and they're like, what about mentor?
47:24
What about teacher? I'm like, listen, the title
47:27
means just, it's, I'm just doing something that I, I enjoy doing,
47:32
first of all, and I, you know, people like it.
47:34
And so, you know, I'm not too worried about the title thing.
47:41
You know what I mean? Like it, I'm still learning,
47:44
always a student, you know, so I look up to people that are
47:46
teachers of, of to me and, and my mentors, you know, and if
47:50
people want to look at me and, and, and see me as, as something
47:53
like that, I'm honored. And I only wish to continue to
47:59
uphold that expectation. You know, if if if that that's
48:02
where people who come in through me or come to me and see me as
48:07
such that. Well, then let me live up to the
48:10
to the responsibility and to the obligation.
48:12
And as you say, as you're Phoenix right, like your
48:14
obligation as a teacher is, you know, or you wanted people to
48:18
learn is to teach and to be approachable and to and to come
48:22
to it from an angle of helping and inviting them.
48:27
You know, some people don't want to learn no matter how hard you
48:34
try. Yeah, I mean, like, you know,
48:35
you can and I've run into plenty of people like that.
48:39
There's a skull that works is just saying you know some people
48:42
you can you can you can tell them everything you can.
48:45
You know it's an old saying you'll lead a horse to water.
48:48
You know you can't make people believe something and you can't
48:51
make people learn something they have They have to want to learn
48:55
themselves. It has it has to be something
48:58
that they want to learn. Thank you Azure Phoenix there
49:04
learned a lot that the random heathen ramblings.
49:08
It's, it's the, it's been one of the most enjoyable things that
49:12
I've done on this, on this platform.
49:14
You know, it's a great way for me to share what I'm learning
49:19
and talk outwardly and openly and then have some guests and
49:22
stuff that come on and, and we have these great dialogues and
49:26
then seeing the folks like yourself come on here and, and,
49:28
and share your thoughts too. You cannot teach someone
49:32
anything that they aren't interested in knowing.
49:36
They have to want to know it themselves.
49:38
They have to want to learn. They have to want to be willing.
49:40
You know, they have to, they have to be willing.
49:43
You know, it's like, you know, giving somebody your opinion or
49:51
your thoughts, you know, half the time what, what's the
49:54
response? You know?
49:55
Oh, thanks, but I don't remember asking you.
49:59
You know, they get defensive, they get mad when you try to
50:03
show care, you know, show interest in in to the point of
50:06
wanting to help. Well, let them ask for it then.
50:12
I guess is is is what I've come to learn.
50:18
What else here? Oh, efficiencies.
50:20
OK, Azure Phoenix is I wonder if it's too much more difficult to
50:23
have a clannish or tribal mentality in a digital digital
50:28
age. You know, it's different if you
50:31
grow up that way, understanding it.
50:33
You know, that's a really great point.
50:37
I the way I grew up, even though it wasn't heathen, it was quite
50:43
honestly a cult, cultish, you know, Christian cult type stuff.
50:50
But it had a very strong sense of community at the tribal
50:54
level. You know, everybody's,
50:57
everybody's families were very closely integrated in our
51:01
gatherings, in our, in our, you know, our time together was very
51:05
close and very personal and it was frequent, you know, so we
51:08
had a lot of interactions and dealings with one another and we
51:13
looked out for one another, you know, people looked out for each
51:15
other. And, and, and we, we, I remember
51:17
growing up and it was like, you know, as, as the, the limited,
51:22
the least amount of, of dealings that we had to, to have with the
51:25
outside world outside of our little community, there was,
51:29
was, was desirable. So the least amount of outside
51:32
influence, the better. And flash, flash forward or Fast
51:38
forward all these years later into Heathenry and I start, you
51:42
know, realizing, wow, you know, this is a very regional belief
51:44
system. This was a very, you know,
51:45
tribally focused societal thing, you know, people.
51:49
It was, it was small groups and small units that, you know,
51:53
helped each other out in communities like that way.
51:56
And so it resonated with me and I'm like, yeah, I get that
52:01
because I kind of was raised in that sort of thing.
52:05
But for people that aren't brought up in it to be exposed
52:09
to that. Yeah, I, I, I fully agree that
52:15
it's very difficult to be, to integrate into, into, into
52:19
something like that, having had no prior experience, because
52:23
most of what we are in nowadays in the way kids and, and, and
52:26
people young people are, are raised is everything's long
52:29
distance. There's no consequences for your
52:31
actions. You're your own person, you
52:33
know, love yourself and and you know, nobody's going to help you
52:39
in this and that. And it's, it's very
52:40
individualistic. You know, it's not tribalistic.
52:43
There's no, I don't maybe said say that there's no sense of
52:49
community, but the sense of community is kind of jaded
52:53
through a, in a false sense 'cause you look at, you know,
52:57
online spaces and oh, I got a group full of 2000 members or
53:01
5000 members or 30,000 followers or 20,000 subscribers or 100
53:06
million views and wow, look at me.
53:08
Look how important I am. Guess what, Jack, not even 1% of
53:13
those people are going to care about you if you drop off the
53:15
face of the earth tomorrow. They're not going to be there
53:19
for you when you need them in the real way, you know, So it's,
53:24
it's, it's a lost, it's a lost thing.
53:28
But I hope that it, it's something that's, that's brought
53:31
up more the way the world's going, it's, it's going to be
53:32
needed. Azure Phoenix says.
53:36
It's hard to know what your place is and what your
53:38
responsibilities are and what standard of honor you're to
53:42
upheld or uphold when it's so fragmented and scattered.
53:52
Really great comments, by the way, Azure Phoenix.
53:54
I appreciate you chiming in. Yeah, it is, it's, it's, it's
54:01
hard, you know, And, and that's The thing is when, when you
54:06
know, because if you look at it through a, through a heathen
54:08
lens, how what, what was honor? You know, like honor was
54:11
something that was demanded. It was something that was upheld
54:16
at the community level. You know, it was, it was
54:20
bestowed upon you by your deeds. You know, your, your, your deeds
54:23
determined your honor and then your and the people were the
54:27
ones who said or, or you know, it was upheld by the people you
54:32
know. So if, if you're, if something
54:34
was, was done that was dishonorable, it was the people
54:37
recognized it and it was, it was, they held each other
54:40
accountable. And there were, there was
54:42
accountability, There was that, there was that sense of keeping
54:48
things in balance, you know, and if you were, if you were
54:52
dishonorable, if you did something that was villainous or
54:57
criminal, like there was penalties to be paid.
54:59
And it was, you know, we have that in place now.
55:01
We have laws, you know, criminals are supposed to, you
55:03
know, be subject to law. And we're all subject to the law
55:08
of, of our respective states or, or, you know, countries and
55:13
regions and not wherever it is that you're where is it that
55:17
you're living? But, you know, when you break it
55:20
down, you get down to that, you know, very, very close, insular
55:24
level of things. That governance, you know, how,
55:30
how the people are ordered and, and how the people are living
55:33
is, is, is on a much smaller scale.
55:36
So they don't have that sense if they're not.
55:43
Yeah, if if they're if they're not held up to that, you know,
55:45
they don't want pulled at themselves.
55:46
And if there's no shared belief in that, you know, there needs
55:50
to be a, a shared understanding, a shared belief.
55:57
Otherwise you're just one person doing things your way and, and,
56:01
you know, living, living a life that is, you know, based on
56:04
whatever world views, how however they're informed, it's,
56:08
it's just, you know, whatever you feel is right, whatever,
56:12
whatever works for you and, and nobody else is involved.
56:14
Nobody else is a part of it, so it's a much different way of
56:22
looking at things that Azure Phoenix is going on again.
56:27
And with the great comments here, accountability is hard to
56:30
enforce. You get kicked out of the chat
56:33
group, So what? Go to another chat group?
56:37
Problem solved. Can we actually enforce honor
56:43
anymore, you know, on the grand scale of things, on a large
56:53
scale, you know, Heathenry, It's no, not not because it's never
56:59
going to be this, this great big universal belief system.
57:03
It never was that to begin with. So trying to make it that, you
57:06
know, as, you know, trying to turn a banana into an orange,
57:09
let a banana be a banana, man, you know, keep, don't, don't,
57:13
don't, don't try to turn it into something that it's not.
57:16
And, and trying to, you know, globalize heathenry, you know,
57:21
turn it into this, this, this, this universal belief system for
57:27
all pagans. And you know, dramatic pagans
57:29
like, oh, we all believe the same thing.
57:31
No, no, no, Sometimes there's there's things that are very
57:35
specific to a certain group, you know, like for instance, the
57:38
holy tides. You know, well when you're going
57:40
to do it, you're going to follow the Wiccan wheel of the year
57:42
and, and, and do your, you know, have your holidays on the, the
57:46
Sabbats or are you going to follow a lunar solar reckoning
57:51
of time, the way that the old ways documents things are being
57:55
done prior to, to, to Christianity?
57:58
And are you going to keep the holidays that are documented in
58:00
the sources? And are you going to do it in a
58:02
historical way, you know, and all these things so like trust
58:13
and loyalty, you know, we're talking about things like honor,
58:15
truth, loyalty. That's another concept that is
58:21
so far removed from from, from, you know, from people nowadays,
58:27
even from people who you think would know better.
58:34
And how do you and how do you enforce it?
58:42
You're either going to have your own sets of customs with people,
58:48
you know, like in your own groups of things, You're you're
58:50
gonna have your own sets of of laws or customs that that demand
58:54
the upholding of such things to the point that if it's not
58:58
maintained, then there will be penalties.
59:01
You know, to pay the shield, to pay the wearer Guild, whatever
59:05
you want to term, you want to put to it.
59:08
That's the only way of of, you know, smaller groups being able
59:12
to, I think, kind of govern themselves, you know, at at that
59:16
level of things. So if if honor has been damaged,
59:19
if loyalty has been broken in betrayal has been, you know, if
59:25
if people have been betrayed, then then then it's you know,
59:29
you've got to you've got to pay the shield.
59:32
You've got to to pay the recompense and and whatever that
59:36
recompense is. If if the penalty for the for
59:38
the crime is to be, you know, pay a pay a fee, pay a penalty,
59:43
then then so be it. But if that penalty is is you
59:45
are no effectively need you have been outlawed now, then that's
59:50
the penalty. Yeah, you're done messed up a a
59:53
Ron, you're out. Go to principal Oshak Hennessy.
1:00:00
For those of you that don't understand it to key key and
1:00:03
Peele reference. Go look it up.
1:00:04
You'll. You'll know what I'm talking
1:00:06
about, but Skaldick, Skaldick here I am Sean Connery in the
1:00:11
chat, Skaldick works says that the best way is to trust the
1:00:14
luck of those who are closest to you.
1:00:19
Look, man, I, I, I get the sentiment and that sounds great.
1:00:25
Luck, Luck can come and go, man. Luck is up and down.
1:00:29
Luck is, is, you know, can be strong some days and and and
1:00:32
not, you know, luck has abandoned even the mightiest of
1:00:36
kings. And so to trust luck I I again,
1:00:45
I get what you're what you're getting at, because even those
1:00:49
that are closest to you can, can be the ones that are betraying
1:00:51
you. Speaking from experience, you
1:00:57
know, if you have someone who is a swarm brother, a kinsman, you
1:01:02
know, somebody who you swore an oath with, and then you know
1:01:06
that person is, you know, and when oaths are sworn, you know,
1:01:11
when, when you have that truth, that loyalty, that, that, that
1:01:13
contract of I will be there for you.
1:01:16
I will back you up. I will protect your honor, I
1:01:19
will defend your honor. I will be there for you when you
1:01:21
need me. And then, you know, they're,
1:01:23
they're found. They find themselves in a place
1:01:25
where your name or your honor is being attacked or questioned and
1:01:29
they don't come to your defense. They don't speak up for you,
1:01:32
they don't defend you. That's a betrayal of trust
1:01:36
because that person who swore that oath, who, who said they
1:01:38
would do what they're doing, have now proven to be
1:01:41
untrustworthy. They have, they have, they have
1:01:44
negated on their oath of truth. And that is an ultimate act of
1:01:49
betrayal, man. And, and you know where you come
1:01:51
back from that? How do you come back from that?
1:01:55
You know, you confront the person or do you say, look,
1:01:58
that's, that's, that's it. I'm, I'm, I'm effectively
1:02:01
outlawing them from my life. I'm, I'm removing them from my
1:02:03
life. I'm not gonna keeping them at
1:02:05
arm's distance. It's because, you know, like
1:02:07
it's a very famous, you know, stanza from the hull of them all
1:02:10
that that refers to, you know, to a good friend, you know, you
1:02:14
should be a good friend and, and, and to, you know, repay
1:02:19
their kindness with kindness, but to a a false friend, be
1:02:24
false and repay their lies with lies or their leasing with
1:02:28
leasing or their betrayal with betrayal, right.
1:02:29
So there's this sense of reciprocity, you know, Oh,
1:02:32
you've betrayed me. Well, then effectively, you
1:02:35
know, up yours, buddy. Screw you.
1:02:39
It's a it's a, it's a, it's a tough thing to to find oneself
1:02:45
in voodoo Viking responding to a skull that works.
1:02:47
Is that what does one do if they don't have anyone around them
1:02:51
that has the same worldview and belief?
1:02:54
There you go, right, 'cause you're talking about beliefs and
1:02:56
things that are very specific to a, a, a subset of people or, you
1:03:00
know, belief system that some people have and you can't, you
1:03:04
know, online, it's, it's close enough, right?
1:03:06
There's, there's, there's shared values, there's, there's similar
1:03:08
things. It's, it's not always, you know,
1:03:11
you can't enforce it. And and and those online
1:03:14
exchanges, don't you know it's not enough then the luck of the
1:03:23
entire group you've built it with then and that takes time,
1:03:26
you know, scald it works, you know, building the shared luck,
1:03:31
you know, the luck that is, you know, contributed from every
1:03:35
member of that group. You know, individual luck that
1:03:39
is, that is poured into the well of that tribe of that group of
1:03:42
that kindred of that unit. You know, everybody's shared,
1:03:47
you know, sharing their, their own light, their own main, their
1:03:50
own luck. And it becomes the luck of the
1:03:53
tribe, you know, But again, I get what you're saying.
1:04:01
So. OK, so yeah.
1:04:01
Voodoo Viking says what, what, what if you don't have anyone
1:04:04
around you, you have no tribe or group or anyone to speak with.
1:04:08
It's it's, it's not there. You know, at that point, it's
1:04:10
not, you know, this, the things that we're talking about here
1:04:13
is, you know, the trail of, of kinsmen of, of, of your family,
1:04:18
even, you know, that the people who have become close to you
1:04:21
through whether it's, you know, marriage, whether it's through
1:04:24
oaths being sworn, whether, you know, whatever thing it is, you
1:04:31
know, it's, you know, this, this type of thing revolves around
1:04:35
stuff like that. So if you don't have a tribe or
1:04:40
group of anyone to speak with or belong to, then, you know, it's
1:04:42
a little bit of a different dynamic.
1:04:44
I think Weary Vikings says, you know, you could find shared
1:04:50
values in books like The Clockwork Orange or Last of the
1:04:52
Mohicans. And it doesn't replace actual
1:04:55
people. Yeah.
1:04:56
I mean, you know, you got book clubs and and, you know, you
1:05:00
know, common interests, you know, those are interests.
1:05:04
You know, those are, you know, there might be things about, you
1:05:06
know, the characters or whatever that resonate with you, that,
1:05:10
you know, resonate with other people as well.
1:05:14
And so, you know, but I think that's a bit different than, you
1:05:19
know, actual heathen world views of, of honor, of truth, of
1:05:25
loyalty, of luck, of, you know, Frith, the backbone, the root of
1:05:32
Heathenry is in Frith, you know, and then what Frith means from a
1:05:36
societal standpoint, and it's a very deep subject.
1:05:39
It's, it's a, it's a thing I've talked that you know a lot about
1:05:43
over the years and, and in a lot of episodes, but it's, it's a
1:05:49
very Frith is not just something Frith is not the fact that, you
1:05:53
know, we like each other. We're going to be peaceful with
1:05:56
one another and we've, we've got a few ceremonies together.
1:05:59
And so therefore we're sharing in Frith.
1:06:02
I mean, Frith goes way deeper than that.
1:06:04
Those are things that can start the, the, the bonds of Frith to
1:06:07
be, you know, established and then tying those threads
1:06:10
together to establish that Frith web.
1:06:14
But Frith is something that is much deeper metaphysically.
1:06:18
It it goes beyond just a, a sense of belonging.
1:06:23
And I like you and I want to support you.
1:06:28
There's obligation that is inherent when it comes to Frith.
1:06:33
It's, you know, I am, I am, I am, I am yours, you are mine.
1:06:38
I protect you, you protect me. You know, pack mentality that
1:06:43
that tribe mentality that's very so much about what Frith is that
1:06:49
that just doesn't seem to get appreciated so much.
1:06:54
It's like they they see this word Frith and, and a lot of
1:06:55
people think that, oh, we're all we're having a nice meal
1:06:58
together and we had a few ceremonies or ritual or bloat,
1:07:00
whatever. And you know, hail the gods and
1:07:02
hail the ancestors and all of a sudden we're sharing Frith Not
1:07:08
really. It's it's it goes way deeper
1:07:11
than that. That's again, that's a start.
1:07:13
There's there's things about fruit that definitely involve
1:07:16
those things that I mentioned. But where you going to be when,
1:07:19
when shit hits the fan? You know, for me, who are my
1:07:25
people? Who who can I rely on?
1:07:26
And then for you, can you rely on me?
1:07:29
Am I going to be there for you when you need me?
1:07:31
Like that's that's what we're talking about.
1:07:34
Where does our loyalties lie? Sometimes you have to deal with
1:07:37
it the best you can. I mean, yeah, that's dealing
1:07:45
with it the best you can. Sure.
1:07:47
I don't want to say that's a passive way of love looking at
1:07:49
it, but what is the best way that you can?
1:07:51
So what does that mean? You know, what can you do?
1:07:54
Make do with what you can Skull, it works.
1:07:56
Make do with what you have and who you are and who you have it
1:08:00
with. Make sure that ground rules are
1:08:04
applied to establish the peace between everyone.
1:08:08
And yeah, like, you know, accountability.
1:08:10
We were talking about this earlier too, you know, like, and
1:08:14
it and it touches on this, this, this desire, this, this feeling
1:08:20
like we should be organized, let's, you know, get our shit
1:08:22
together people and let's be here like, yeah, 'cause you
1:08:25
can't, you can't have Frith without that, that organization,
1:08:29
without that structure, you know, without understanding the
1:08:36
social constructs behind it and that involve it, right.
1:08:44
And Voodoo Viking says, yes, it's true in all dynamics.
1:08:46
However, most of us, most of what I find is doing security on
1:08:52
Bourbon Street and Lower 9th Ward down there in, in New
1:08:56
Orleans. Yet none of them share beliefs.
1:08:59
We just fight, drink and pick up strippers.
1:09:02
Well, you know, you hang around degenerates, that's what you're
1:09:05
going to get, man. And I'm not trying to talk down
1:09:07
upon people, but that sounds like behavior of of, of people
1:09:11
who have no real interest to do anything constructive with their
1:09:15
lives. Those are those are acts and
1:09:18
behaviors of of I mean, I'm not going to, I don't, I don't want
1:09:24
to, you know, talk smack about people that you know, or, or
1:09:28
whatever, But I mean, come on, like that doesn't then don't be
1:09:32
around it. Get away from it.
1:09:34
If you don't want, you know, if you want to have a relationship
1:09:37
with people who have a have a better value of life and in a
1:09:40
worldview of of things and then don't hang around people that
1:09:43
want to fight, drink and pick up hookers, strippers, whatever.
1:09:47
Ladies of the night, you know, ride motorcycles.
1:09:54
Well, that's cool. I mean, you can do that and not
1:09:56
be a an idiot. Yeah, the motorcycle brosa true,
1:10:02
you know, till Valhalla, you know, and I'm going to to scald
1:10:05
brother this and that Yeah, they like the aesthetic, but they're,
1:10:09
you know, they're they're not about the the culture, they're
1:10:12
not about the the beliefs. So, you know, I don't know, I
1:10:16
don't know. It's people look at the, the
1:10:21
history of the Germanic people and they and all they want to
1:10:24
see is, is the war band type, the warrior class, you know, yes
1:10:29
man, you know, there was that. There's also the farmers and,
1:10:34
and, and the, the farriers and the blacksmiths and the, you
1:10:37
know, the country folk that just wanted to live in peace and, and
1:10:40
have their beliefs, just live in peace and, and, and believe what
1:10:48
they want to believe. And, you know, peacefully.
1:10:53
Sometimes organizing in smaller groups is just as good as larger
1:10:56
organizations. I mean, it's the only way that
1:10:58
Heathenry can, can function. If as, as far as an organization
1:11:02
goes is at the smaller level. Look at, look at, look at, look
1:11:06
at the, the, the outcomes of things like the AFA or even TAC
1:11:13
or even, you know, the truth. I mean, they're these, these
1:11:20
groups have had so many problems, man, like, and, and
1:11:24
these are supposed to be representations of heathenry in
1:11:30
North America or heathenry in America.
1:11:34
At least I don't, you know, the United States.
1:11:38
I know they have international chapters or charters or whatever
1:11:44
the hell, you know, you want to call it, but it doesn't work
1:11:47
that way because, you know, 11 group does one thing and then
1:11:51
it's a whole bad representation on on this global organization.
1:11:56
I don't like that in my Heathenry and I choose to not be
1:11:59
a part of it because it doesn't align with what I think
1:12:03
Heathenry should be. So smaller is better for
1:12:06
Heathenry. I I fully support and I agree
1:12:10
with you there. Scholar works voodoo Vikings is
1:12:15
none taking. Listen, I, you know, I know who
1:12:17
you are, if we do Viking, at least to the, to the extent of
1:12:20
we've talked, you know, back and forth online a lot.
1:12:23
So, and I know, I know who I'm talking to on the screen here,
1:12:30
which is why I, I, I can be a bit more candid.
1:12:32
I think, you know, so thank you for understanding.
1:12:36
They're also the people he says that, that have my back.
1:12:39
And that's important. You know, when, when you're in a
1:12:41
situation like the lifestyle you're talking about, whether
1:12:44
it's security or any other sort of, you know, you know, type of,
1:12:48
of profession that you could be hurt from other people.
1:12:52
You know, you got to know who your people are.
1:12:54
I remember, you know, I worked in the prison system for over 10
1:12:58
years collectively between working at a facility and
1:13:03
transporting inmates, You know, so between those two details, I
1:13:06
was, I was in corrections and prisoner extradition for about 9
1:13:11
years. And you've got to know who's got
1:13:14
your back, you know, regardless of what their lifestyle is,
1:13:16
that's, and that's, that's very much like a war band culture.
1:13:19
You know, that's it, that's tribalism almost in a way, but
1:13:22
it's, it's like the war band culture, you know, the warrior
1:13:25
cult. So whether or not they're into
1:13:30
the, you know, belief of, of paganism, of, of, of Heathenry,
1:13:35
you know, you have a culture, you have a, you have a war band
1:13:39
culture that you're connected with, you know, and that type of
1:13:44
lifestyle can, can cultivate its own subculture amongst its
1:13:52
people. So OK, so Buddha Viking has
1:13:57
questions. Let me ask something.
1:13:58
Driving trucks and security is the only thing I understand.
1:14:01
I can't wrap my head around computer.
1:14:03
So head first mentality and isolation is all I know.
1:14:09
How do you go to the next? How do we what, how do we escape
1:14:17
those things when you're honestly that you're honestly
1:14:21
good at and understand? I mean, how do you escape it?
1:14:28
You find a way. I mean, you mentioned two
1:14:37
things, you know, you know, drug truck, truck driving and
1:14:39
security. OK, so you're good at driving
1:14:42
big vehicles and making sure people are are not doing things
1:14:47
and not going places where they shouldn't and being that sort
1:14:49
of, you know, bouncer security detail type person, you know,
1:14:55
and you can't convince me that you're not good at anything
1:14:58
else. Maybe computers, but I'm good at
1:15:03
computers and that's 'cause that's the field I've been
1:15:05
working in for eight years. You know, I work in IT.
1:15:09
I'm not good at home. Give home care like, like home
1:15:13
health care, like I'm not a, a, a caretaker.
1:15:17
I can take care of myself, but I'm not the type of person that
1:15:19
can take care of other people. My wife is, you know, she can't
1:15:24
really stand computer. She doesn't, you know, deal with
1:15:28
it too much. She doesn't like it, but her
1:15:30
passion, her love is in healthcare, home healthcare.
1:15:33
Take caregiving because it's what she's done for a long time
1:15:38
of her life. And that's what she's done for
1:15:39
for many, many years. So if you're good at something
1:15:45
and you understand it and that you're calling, find a way to
1:15:48
make it work, right. If the detail that you're on is,
1:15:52
is bad for your mental health, you know, pivot, find another
1:15:57
detail, find another way of, you know, being able to, to, to
1:16:01
serve your purpose without compromising your integrity.
1:16:07
You know, Scarlett works there, backs up.
1:16:11
Let me back up for a second here, 'cause he had a comment.
1:16:14
Yeah. Was it.
1:16:17
Oh, the truth to keep seeing? Yeah.
1:16:20
The truth seems to keep more of a research Research Center these
1:16:25
days more than actual belief organization.
1:16:29
Yeah, I know we, you know, I don't know, I wouldn't.
1:16:32
Maybe there's maybe there's some good stuff out there that
1:16:34
they're doing research wise. I don't, I can't say 'cause I
1:16:38
don't, I don't go to them as a resource for much.
1:16:45
Sorry to say. Azure Phoenix is back.
1:16:49
I think some people aren't really into religion in general,
1:16:53
Fairpoint. Maybe too much responsibility to
1:16:56
others as a turn off. Very keen point.
1:17:00
You know, like we talked about the responsibility, the
1:17:03
obligation that comes with things like Frith.
1:17:05
It's too structured, it's too regimented, it's too ordered.
1:17:09
You know, it makes people feel too boxed in, you know, and a
1:17:16
lot of people don't like that. A lot of people don't like what
1:17:20
order has to offer and structure has to offer.
1:17:24
And I think that there, I think that there's a really fine line
1:17:27
between having order and having structure and knowing how to
1:17:32
apply it in the different contexts that it exists.
1:17:37
You know, because you can have order at your job, your place of
1:17:42
employment, what you do to earn a paycheck and earn your living
1:17:46
and your lifestyle at your job. The culture that surrounds the
1:17:50
job is different. Every place you go, every, every
1:17:53
profession is has its, has its own different, you know, culture
1:17:57
and even companies have their own culture.
1:17:59
And then you go home in your home life, your home life has
1:18:02
its own, you know, you know, how you, how you interact with, with
1:18:07
your family or how you act with people outside of work.
1:18:11
And then you have perhaps maybe stuff, stuff like, you know, the
1:18:14
religious side of things or the spiritual side of things where
1:18:16
you have a community of people who you interact with at that
1:18:19
degree and at that level. You're not going to behave the
1:18:22
same way, you know, take this and do the same things that you
1:18:24
would do at your place of employment, at your job and,
1:18:29
and, and do that at home. I mean, if it works, I guess
1:18:33
maybe then, then, then, then fine.
1:18:34
But I, I've not been able to do that.
1:18:39
You know, a matter of fact, it bites me.
1:18:40
And they ask if I try to be, you know, well, this is how we do it
1:18:45
at work. And I'm going to take that
1:18:48
rigidness or that structure or that, you know, concept of, of
1:18:53
dealing with people. And I want to bring it into my
1:18:55
home life. It doesn't work that way.
1:18:57
It doesn't work well that way 'cause it's a different culture.
1:19:00
So maybe with, you know, religious stuff, when, when,
1:19:04
when there's this sense of order, when there's a sense of
1:19:06
structure has to be done this way.
1:19:07
It has to be done that way. Maybe it feels too much like a
1:19:10
job to people and they don't want to feel that obligation.
1:19:13
They don't want to feel that sense of, oh, I have to do it
1:19:15
this way. Now I've, I would venture to say
1:19:20
that there's again, it's a, there's a fine line that, you
1:19:23
know, if you're not ordered and if you're not structured and
1:19:27
everything's all Willy nilly, you know, flying off the seat of
1:19:30
our pants, We're not, we're not preparing ourselves for
1:19:35
anything. We're not, we're not
1:19:37
conditioning ourselves for, you know, times when, when things
1:19:40
could be really rough, you know, So if all we're doing is just
1:19:45
skating by and hoping for the best, and if I need you, I'll
1:19:48
call you like, Nah, man, like, you know, let's, let's order
1:19:51
ourselves appropriately. Let's let's put, you know, let's
1:19:55
snap to let's, let's get some construction going on here.
1:19:58
Let's, let's build ourselves up and let's all understand what
1:20:01
our jobs and responsibilities are.
1:20:03
And let's uphold ourselves to those responsibilities.
1:20:06
Let's hold ourselves accountable.
1:20:08
I'll hold myself accountable. You hold me accountable.
1:20:10
I'll hold you accountable. We hold ourselves accountable.
1:20:14
And like you say, Azure Phoenix, not a lot of people like that.
1:20:16
I want to embrace that lifestyle.
1:20:24
So Voodoo Viking, Yeah, I mean, sorry to to cut your comment
1:20:27
there off Voodoo Viking. You know, things don't pay
1:20:30
enough. Listen, you can make money
1:20:33
anywhere, you know, doing almost anything and not even break the
1:20:38
law doing it. But, yeah, you know, we could
1:20:42
probably get you. Do, you know, do a live stream
1:20:47
or something? This one is getting near its
1:20:50
end. We've been going for almost an
1:20:51
hour and a half tonight. A lot of great discussion, by
1:20:53
the way, folks. And thank you so much for being
1:20:55
here. We can definitely work something
1:20:57
out maybe for next month for you to come on and pick this back
1:21:00
up. Scarlett works back to Azure.
1:21:03
Phoenix's comments says religion is mostly seen in a negative
1:21:05
light because of the face, like Christianity and Islam, who've
1:21:08
used the belief as a way to force their views upon others.
1:21:11
You know, that whole sense of control.
1:21:12
So that's a key observation and it does it, it, it, it we, you
1:21:17
know, I'll, I'll say personally, you know, like I've, I've seen
1:21:21
that happen in Heathenry too, on a very smaller scale.
1:21:25
But but I've seen that tendency, the propensity leak in to
1:21:29
Heathenry and, and have it become something that is like
1:21:34
trying to dictate what others believe and what others do like,
1:21:37
oh, you have to do it this way. It's, or else, you know, in a,
1:21:42
in a, in a, in a, in an effort to control, you know, not in an
1:21:45
effort to educate or, or an effort to teach or to maintain
1:21:49
structure and to maintain order for oneself and for one's, you
1:21:53
know, group. But in a sense and, and through
1:21:56
a context of I want to be in control and I want to control
1:21:59
all these people. And that let you know, have them
1:22:01
look at me as a certain figure, head of, of authority or
1:22:05
something like that and have this whole ego about it.
1:22:07
It's, you know, that, that approach.
1:22:09
I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't agree with yeah, Voodoo
1:22:18
Viking agrees with you there too, Skull.
1:22:21
It works and it's a general consensus.
1:22:22
I think we understand that that the majority of of organized
1:22:27
religions, the bigger religions have only done Grant, you know,
1:22:31
there's some good people amongst them, but the organizations
1:22:34
themselves have only done effectively just instilled fear
1:22:39
and control. Yeah.
1:22:41
My way or the highway, You know, shout out Fred Durst.
1:22:48
I'm a do things my way. It's my way, my way or the
1:22:52
highway. OK.
1:22:57
But like he said, OK, So Buda Viking says, yeah, but like the
1:22:59
the New Orleans lifestyle, too much wine, women in song, you
1:23:03
know, rub shoulders with the upper crust, the lobbyists, the
1:23:06
mayor, politicians learn, learn the inside about how it all
1:23:12
works. It's you know, New Orleans.
1:23:14
It's it's almost like, you know, the the Vegas of the Bayou.
1:23:20
You know what I'm saying? It's it's it's it's got that
1:23:23
just non-stop party atmosphere cause of, you know, Bourbon
1:23:28
Street and Mardi Gras and then just a lot of that.
1:23:32
So it's like a smaller Vegas of the Bayou.
1:23:34
This it's swamp Vegas, I guess they call it.
1:23:36
I don't know if they do, but I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll call it
1:23:38
that. Yeah.
1:23:43
If there are no core beliefs and and values.
1:23:46
Azure Phoenix says if there's no core beliefs and values, then
1:23:49
there's nothing to rally around or unite us.
1:23:51
Exactly. You know, it's, there's a fine
1:23:55
line and it can be done rightly. And you know, you got some
1:24:01
people that agree with you there.
1:24:02
The Viking agrees with you there, Azure.
1:24:05
It's you know, it's a fine line, you know, and the right people
1:24:12
should be in place for for leading those initiatives.
1:24:15
You know, you you don't want people that are just here to be
1:24:19
called something like I've seen I've seen so many groups pop up,
1:24:23
man, and they're intermingling titles.
1:24:25
You know, you've got president so and so and then you've got
1:24:28
high vulva this person and you've got high Drotan over here
1:24:32
and then Chieftain so and so and you're all this and like you're
1:24:35
blending names and titles from different cultures that that
1:24:39
don't even they never spoke to one another.
1:24:41
They had nothing to do with one another culturally.
1:24:43
So you're like, it, it, it's just like, OK, what are you
1:24:46
doing? What why are you giving titles
1:24:49
to people? What titles of authority,
1:24:51
authoritative, authoritative titles, authoritative titles to
1:24:56
people who have no freaking idea what a Dwoten is.
1:25:02
You know, you got an organization that you have a
1:25:03
Dwoten driten, whatever. But I'm going to use the the,
1:25:07
the Saxon pronunciation, the Dwoten.
1:25:10
And then you have somebody else called the Chieftain.
1:25:11
Listen, idiot, you know that it means the same thing.
1:25:14
It's same thing. You have two people carrying the
1:25:19
same quote UN quote title and you've got one called Chieftain
1:25:25
and another one called Dalton. And you're just calling them the
1:25:29
same thing in a different language.
1:25:31
Sorry, that's my rant. It's silly.
1:25:34
Nola is the palace Versales or Versailles?
1:25:38
Yeah, the palace Versailles and Rome wrapped into one.
1:25:42
Yeah, Yeah, that's a good the pomp and the and the the the
1:25:47
debauchery and this and that, Right.
1:25:51
So it's a good, good analogy of Azure is wary of bringing my
1:25:58
kids to gatherings because I don't know what the hosts
1:26:02
believe. And if it aligns with our
1:26:05
beliefs, it's hard to know where to go.
1:26:08
Gosh, I, I, I hear you. I hear you so loud and clear
1:26:15
said I can't, like I said, I can't do 2 years of research on
1:26:17
eBay. Or is it every, every, oh, every
1:26:22
organization to see if they won't teach my kids some yeah,
1:26:26
some, some BS. You know, it's, it's, it's
1:26:30
unfortunately like one of those things where you got to kind of,
1:26:36
I don't want to say you have to go and, and check it out for
1:26:40
yourself. Like you gotta, you know, see it
1:26:43
for yourself to determine it 'cause, you know, people can put
1:26:47
anything they want to online. They can say whatever they want
1:26:50
to about their beliefs and, and, and how they approach.
1:26:53
And then the way they act in person is, is totally different.
1:26:56
I always, I always tend to lean into the fact that you're going
1:27:00
to get the truest sense of anybody's personality,
1:27:05
intentions, purpose, what they're doing by being in person
1:27:10
with them. You're going to get a sense of
1:27:12
where they're coming from almost immediately from being in person
1:27:16
with them. You're going to get that initial
1:27:18
feeling, you know, especially if you're a parent, your intuition
1:27:21
is super strong. You, you know what's right for
1:27:24
your kids, you know, and it's smart of you to be so cautious
1:27:31
about bringing them to a place that may or may not align with
1:27:35
what you want them to be raised it with, you know, and believe
1:27:38
in. You know, you don't want to you
1:27:40
don't want to put them in a position of a being misfed
1:27:43
information or or being exposed to something that you know
1:27:47
doesn't align with what you're believing.
1:27:49
I would just say just my personal opinion is, you know,
1:27:52
really the only way you're going to know that for sure is do what
1:27:55
you can research wise, but then go and check it out for
1:27:58
yourself. Maybe maybe an event or repeat
1:28:01
events that happened in your area.
1:28:02
You know, maybe you go and do a Recon of it.
1:28:04
Maybe you, you know, get grandma and grandpa or you know, a
1:28:08
friend or whatever to watch the kids while you go check it out.
1:28:11
Maybe you, maybe maybe you do a solo run or you and your partner
1:28:14
go and and leave the kids with a trusted babysitter or something
1:28:18
to say, Hey, you know, we have a family.
1:28:20
We want to make sure that we check this out before bringing
1:28:24
our kids to it. Maybe you've already done that
1:28:26
too. I don't know.
1:28:28
You know, you didn't ask for my thoughts or opinions on it, but
1:28:30
I respect that you have their, their safety and their
1:28:33
well-being in mind. So it was just a thought.
1:28:37
I had a thought I'd throw out there.
1:28:39
Ask all that works. Lives in the Silicon Valley of
1:28:41
the South. So yeah, we know.
1:28:46
Oh, Huntsville man, Huntsville AL voodoo Viking says they they
1:28:53
see heathen re rising to levels that people don't want to begin
1:28:55
to believe. Creating inclusive groups where
1:28:57
we can reach out when whoever needs anything 24/7.
1:29:01
Like like the orders we had 100 plus years ago.
1:29:05
I mean, it's great to have the the the tools like social media.
1:29:10
I mean, I'll just say, like, for example, today there, there's an
1:29:14
elder of our community up here who had some life changing news
1:29:22
dropped on them today, you know, and it, it didn't take long for
1:29:30
people to get in touch with others and find ways of coming
1:29:35
to support. Like after this live stream, I,
1:29:37
I, I, I'm going to get in touch with them again to check in on
1:29:40
them because I was talking to them earlier and I said, but I'm
1:29:42
just making sure you're OK and, and wanted to check in, but I'd
1:29:45
like to continue talking. I have this thing I'm doing
1:29:47
tonight, but afterwards, So, you know, having that, but it goes
1:29:56
back to, you know, yes, it, there's, there's inclusivity
1:29:59
involved, but it's more of networking and building that,
1:30:04
that group with people. You know, it does have to be
1:30:07
inclusive to a, to a degree. The inclusivity of of things
1:30:12
nowadays is, is becoming like the lines are becoming so
1:30:15
muddled. You know, it's, it's, it's, it's
1:30:19
a touchy thing to, to a lot for a lot of people to, to approach.
1:30:23
But having the right group of people, the right, the right
1:30:26
inclusions to help with things, you know, and to help get people
1:30:31
the, the, the, the a that they're looking for that they
1:30:33
need. You do have a decent heathen
1:30:37
group down there skull that works.
1:30:38
I know you got the Ravenwood meatery, but despite not wanting
1:30:45
to gather in, in small tribes or groups, you got a good
1:30:49
population. Same thing up here, man.
1:30:51
Like there's, there's definitely, there's a bit of a
1:30:53
mix, you know, there's, there's a lot of pagans and, and, and
1:30:57
other folks and, and heathens that, that have a group that
1:31:00
they like to call their heathen home and then others that are
1:31:03
just kind of nomadic and they come to events here or there and
1:31:08
everywhere. And so, yeah, we, I get this.
1:31:13
I get what you're saying, Scaldic works.
1:31:16
Replying to Azure Phoenix is I believe the same issue goes if
1:31:19
you would take them to a Christian Church if that was
1:31:22
what you believed in terms of bringing children around and
1:31:25
making sure that what they're being exposed to is an alignment
1:31:31
with what you want them to to be exposed to.
1:31:34
And as Azure Phoenix is a help network is a great idea in the
1:31:37
digital age. Like a phone tree, you know,
1:31:40
area maps would be helpful, but people can't go on being so
1:31:48
clustered if they, if they want a community.
1:31:49
Yeah, you got to, you know, it's, it's, it's good to have
1:31:53
your roots established. But don't, don't forget the
1:31:55
roots don't just go down. They grow out, you know, they,
1:31:59
they, they, they spread out, they go deeper, they spread,
1:32:02
they have to in order to support the growth that's happening up
1:32:05
here. So it's one thing to be aware
1:32:11
of, you know? Well, let's see what else we've
1:32:16
got. Sorry.
1:32:16
More from Voodoo Viking. Lawyers, doctors, contractors.
1:32:21
My, we build and fully take care of our own.
1:32:25
Yeah. I mean, look, it's so it makes
1:32:28
the world go around. Everybody has a job.
1:32:31
Everybody has a purpose. Well, great commentary folks.
1:32:38
Thank you again for for being here and and taking the time out
1:32:41
of your going to want to talk about this stuff.
1:32:43
I love seeing the engagement and the talking about things as your
1:32:47
Phoenix is. Maybe I'm being dense, but I see
1:32:49
very few women involved in community building.
1:32:52
Aren't we supposed to be the Frith weavers?
1:32:54
I'm weaving the hell out of my Frith over here.
1:32:57
OK, keen observation. And that is a very valid point.
1:33:05
You know, I'm not sure I, I recognize the screen name and
1:33:12
forgive me because it's been so long.
1:33:13
I don't know geographically where you are.
1:33:17
But yeah, like a lot of what I see are, are male LED efforts.
1:33:23
You know, now there are some, I know there are definitely some
1:33:27
in our area who there are like groups for women, Pagan groups
1:33:33
for women exclusively where, you know, it's just for the ladies.
1:33:37
And then there's stuff that's just for the men too.
1:33:39
But then there's the Coed mixture of of family friendly,
1:33:43
you know, things. But yeah, no, I think it's I
1:33:46
think it's a very interesting point to to raise their Azure
1:33:50
Phoenix that where are the Frith weavers?
1:33:53
You know, where are the ones who with the right, you know, with
1:34:01
the right resources are, are creating these hearth spaces
1:34:06
for, for for the folk to gather around, you know, these safe
1:34:08
places, these these community centers, these, let's say hearth
1:34:13
fires to gather at, whether it's, you know, a home or
1:34:19
whether it's, you know, an online space.
1:34:21
And then you got, you know, have different things at different
1:34:25
locations here and there. The work should be, I think
1:34:30
it's, you know, it's a shared effort, but I, I think it's a, a
1:34:32
great observation that you making, that you're making.
1:34:39
I, I see some of it in my area. I do see, I do see a lot of
1:34:42
things being done by, by women and it's, it's good work that
1:34:51
they're doing. So I hope that maybe this this
1:34:56
helps kind of raise that attention.
1:34:58
Maybe this live will will reach the ears and the hearts of some
1:35:02
women in the area. Right.
1:35:03
Ladies, get out there and then get to weaving.
1:35:07
I don't know, but thank you for saying so and thank you for
1:35:11
bringing up that observation. All right, let's see.
1:35:14
We'll take a couple more comments here and then we're
1:35:16
going to wrap things up for the night.
1:35:18
Yeah. Scarlet Works needs to get going
1:35:19
of work in the morning. First paid rune reading client
1:35:23
at 5:00. Well, any advice before you go
1:35:26
there, Skull, it works. Meditate, you know, go into that
1:35:32
with your with your heart open, but but realize that what the
1:35:37
runes can take can say might not be easy for you to to deliver.
1:35:43
So I hope that it goes well for you.
1:35:49
I hope that your first rune reading for for a client or, you
1:35:55
know, the the first run reading that you are being compensated
1:35:58
for at 5:00 goes well. And yeah, just gosh, like do
1:36:10
some grounding, maybe, you know, get your skin to earth, get your
1:36:13
bare feet on the earth. Like that's always a great
1:36:15
preface, I think to any sort of spiritual work is, is absorb
1:36:21
that energy from from mother Yard, you know, so good luck
1:36:26
with that. Hope it goes well.
1:36:31
Thanks. All right there, Western
1:36:32
Oklahoma smack off the 40. All right, cool.
1:36:35
Happy to help anyone that finds anything that they're needing at
1:36:37
Frith shoot an e-mail in case anyone needs to get in touch.
1:36:40
Yeah, definitely. And anybody else that, you know,
1:36:42
watches this now or later, you know the the e-mail address, you
1:36:46
can go to my link tree link. That's, you know, posted down
1:36:48
below and you'll find my e-mail option to e-mail me there.
1:36:52
But it's Midgard musings tn@gmail.com, because this
1:36:55
podcast will get aired on the audio platforms this week.
1:36:58
So I know a lot of folks that won't be watching this are only
1:37:01
going to be listening. So yes, please, definitely feel
1:37:04
free to e-mail me with any questions.
1:37:05
Or if you're in an area that you feel Western Oklahoma, if any of
1:37:08
my listeners are in that area, you know, drop me an e-mail.
1:37:13
Maybe I can, you know, be the the liaison contact points
1:37:19
between people to to connect. So thank you Azure Phoenix, for
1:37:25
for being here tonight from western Oklahoma and and sharing
1:37:28
Azure Phoenix sends Congrats to Scaldick on the rune reading and
1:37:34
Scaldick works or sorry, Voodoo Vikings is have a great night.
1:37:39
And yeah, everybody, thank you so much.
1:37:41
We're gonna we're gonna go ahead and and wrap this this episode
1:37:43
up this live stream up for the night.
1:37:46
So thank you to Scaldick works, Voodoo Viking, Azure Phoenix
1:37:49
Schizo who was on here before and there was some other folks,
1:37:54
I believe Mike, yeah, Michael Thacker was one of the first
1:37:59
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But for the listeners later on this week, just as a reminder,
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most of us are 40, still don't know what the we're doing.
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Yeah, I did. I just did the BIG4 O last year.
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And I feel like I'm, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm getting my
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second win. I think I'm starting to get some
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momentum here, but who knows? I mean, I'm just faking it till
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I make it. I'm doing the best I can with
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what I got and loving the journey.
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So thank you all very much for for being here and thank you to
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all my guests. Thank you to all my supporters.
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Everybody that watches my show listens.
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However you engage, whoever you choose to to be engaging is is
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greatly appreciated. Just keep safe everybody.
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Thank you Azure Phoenix, y'all, thank you so very much.
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Have a great week and until we talk to each other again, may
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the gods continue to notice you and may your ancestors smile
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upon you and we'll see you in the next one.