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form yeah we we don't do great in the video very often we do great videos but
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uh yeah we do great videos some of them are just I've got a visual aid it's
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weird just visual to you guys this week yeah we I mentioned something the other
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week and uh I've I have it I've got it
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guys welcome to multiple
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nerdgasm with your hosts Matt Luke and
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Dan multiple nerdgasm your guide to all
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things
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nerdy I've got it I've got it right here M I'm holding it up and I'm moving it
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over into view of the camera right now can you guess what it is well if you're
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going to move it into view we'll see it in a sec can you all
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right M you got
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it4 amazing boxed boxed look at this
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with fies look at this yes oh yes it's
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got the copy protection sheet it's got
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amazing remember when games looked like this yes I did it's a 5 and A4 inch
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floppy disc for for the audio listen and what's the what's the capacity on that disc
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Matt uh it's a 52 a high density one so yeah 512 kiloby mhm yeah that's that's
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double-sided yeah oh look at that oh wow the newspaper that comes with and everything
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M amazing I actually had to explain to someone I work with who works in
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it what a floppy disc was yeah I mean
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floppy discs for the commo 64 are Advanced I've got cassette tapes yeah
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that that's what mine came with I didn't years I was watching an interview this
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week with one of the guys who was on the
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team for beneath a steel Sky uh and um
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other games that you would know of uh Flight of the Amazon queen just great
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games from from that era but they asked him how he got his start and basically
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his dad bought him an an amstrad CPC and um T taught himself to code on it and
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then during the Christmas holidays was like probably make my own game at this
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point um made a game put it on a cassette tape his mom found a publisher
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in the phone book sent it off and they wrote letter back going yeah look out
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for it in stores yeah it's funny how it all started like share where literally
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they used to mail discs and tapes and stuff around and you buy you get a
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catalog and you just go oh yeah that sounds good and then they mail it out to
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you yeah amazing that's how was it Kenan Roberto Williams first game they put
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them in little plastic slips yeah mailed it out to you little Ziploc bags [Music]
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yeah yeah good old days yeah or if you didn't want to do that and you had a
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condor 64 you could just get a magazine called input and it was just page after
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page of code that you if you spent all afternoon typing in and didn't make any
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mistakes and you could play a game until you press the clear all button on your
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keyboard and you couldn't play anything else in the meantime oh he's got some
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he's got it he's hunting it down I can't find it got we believe you I do I think
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you have sh on the show before got a couple of those old books where you do
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that yeah good stuff mhm
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Nostalgia so A lot's been happening this week
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yeah what do we want to start with well oh well Matt there's some good
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news in the followup I don't know if you
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saw this your hero Daniel Elfman right
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right accused rapist yeah yeah case dropped judge said
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not enough
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evidence okay yeah the plaintiff has provided only
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speculative statements that it's possible she could have been sexually
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assaulted that's okay what saying even you're not accusing him
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of anything I think it's say maybe he did right is that what he saying I think
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it's just that there's no case to prosecute yeah okay all right similar to
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The Neil gaming one it maybe I I guess but this feels more like he didn't do it
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and he's off as opposed to the Neil G one which is just like it's only a matter of time
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before well is this just the criminal one I think there was only one for El
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right yeah I think there just the one it was the uh she worked with him a bit and
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then oh I just mean like is she now going to go like a civil suit that's the
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weird thing happens in America CU you can be found innocent on
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the Criminal suit but still be found guilty on the civil suit cuz criminal
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it's beyond um Reasonable Doubt but with
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civil it's just uh it's bar you can convince the judge interesting no I
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don't I don't know but it seems like I mean he said he said he didn't do
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anything wrong and it seems like maybe he was telling the
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truth they I like I was going to say they've picked a creepy photo of him for
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the article but I don't know that there are any non- creepy photos of that you
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have to go back a long way to find photos where he doesn't look like a creep
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he's very oddl looking yeah yeah I think intentionally he's got a big
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mouth we just a big all better look at that
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smile oh I mean good news for him and for me because it means I get to hear
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more of his music but hopefully that genuinely means he didn't do anything
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yeah I I I and just to to recap when I yeah when I started about saying good
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news I meant that that no wrong do hopefully no one was harmed yeah that's
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right yeah not not oh [ __ ] got away with it like he just if he did something
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he should be punished for it yeah yes but if he didn't do anything he
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shouldn't be I can still wear my t-shirt yeah yeah wa wait what does your
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T-shirt say maybe let the story go out into the world a little bit more oh okay
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sure he's innocent Danny says Danny Elman jerked off in bed
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next to me while I was asle sleep and could not consent oh oh is that what he
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she said he did oh yeah maybe he did do that then I don't know why would you
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make that up why just based on me having said that you've go oh that was pretty
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convincing this is why dra by jury is I'm sorry Danny I'm sorry I didn't mean
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to you know what I'm going to make a couple of calls let's get this back in
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the courts I'm sorry there's more lawsuit news if we want to go straight
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straight for more legal legal stuff it's not haters I'm going to see Hans on
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Monday like I don't want to get arrested for anything no he hasn't he hasn't done
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anything what's the legal news the legal news is that Disney are being sued for
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using the likeness of Mr Peter Cushing in Rogue
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one I saw this and I kind of called
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[ __ ] go on so that's what Disney saiding this saying hey you yeah saying
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like he didn't use this in Rogue one he sold like his friend evidently you said
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like he said I have the rights and everything has to go through me when I
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read through this article I did not see anything where anyone was paid or there
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was anything that happened with um episode
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3 they used his likess in episode three I didn't look anything like him so I
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think that's probably why they could get away with um that the chrisen Glover
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situation right where they stuck p face on another actor and they he did successfully sue
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them yes I think if Disney had paid someone
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to use the likeness then they could reasonably argue we did our due
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diligence but I think they just went yay free actor cuz he's dead and made a CGI
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model oh is that true and so now this guy's come out and going well actually
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I'm in charge of his his likeness he told me to look out
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for him after he gone from what I hear they're pretty careful about that
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because they couldn't get Harrison Ford to sign his over for a long time that's
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why toys of Han Solo and Indiana Jones didn't look like Harrison Fords because
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for a long time he was like no [ __ ] off but then now he's given in but but the
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other thing he likeness has been used at other times like in covers of books
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and cuz I thought they I thought when they signed you up for Star Wars they
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made sure they got all that so they could do what I don't know if they did
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that in the 70s though yeah would have had the forethought for that but then
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again maybe they just assumed they did he died in the '90s he lived a long time
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so actually maybe the stuff that came out on the book covers was while he was
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still alive oh yeah um no no it's definitely stuff
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after yeah late '90s 2000s I have um Disney tried to get this
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thrown out of the court and the judge said no I'll allow
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it yep we'll let it go a little bit further and see interesting but yeah
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it's it just it just seems like as his friend going yeah he said I don't know
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if he's got any proof yeah yeah well we'll find out I guess but we'll wait
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and see as long as he doesn't have uh Disney Plus subscription can go a little
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fur he's waved his right to sue that's so funny got to get
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arbitration first even if someone dies so
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stupid that is I mean it's not even the Peter
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Cushing in Rogue one looks not not that great I mean it looks
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like a Peter Cushing puppet for sure yeah so to be a shame if this is one
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they lose on because they hadn't perfected the technology yet you know
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yeah I'd be very surprised if D just gave him $30,000 and just Luke's already
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named a number $30,000 mate you get $30,000 take it or leave
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it yeah you get $3,000 for being his
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friend how old is a friend of Peter
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Cushings at this point yeah right yeah I
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saw a picture of Peter Cushing and uh
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Christopher Lee this week just online and I think it was the last picture of
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them taken together Peter Cushing has the The Walking Stick he looks pretty
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old but he only comes up to about here on Christopher Lee and I went oh he P
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Cushing really short I i' never picked that how tall is he [ __ ] 6 foot how
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[ __ ] tall is Christopher Lee yeah Christopher Lee was a beast I think um
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Vincent Price was pretty tall too I believe it price well you had to
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be ad actor back then you had to be tall that's true 64 Vincent Price yeah that's
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tall that's taller than all y even there you
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go um other Star Wars news h
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you McGregor he's up for season two ofan
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unfortunately oh okay yeah is Disney
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probably probably yeah he's going to fight Darth Vader again again no but we
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were conure is he going to go in adventure with Leia or Luke it's going to be the
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point where he's older playing Obi-Wan than um Alec Guinness was yeah isn't he
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already oh maybe didn't somebody point that out yeah
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maybe Guinness Obi-Wan age Alec
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Guinness was 62 okay so no getting close must
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be yeah it's strange I've still got this
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weird Benchmark in my head where I think all old people are 50 and um oh boy cuz
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I was somebody was talking about teachers from our high school I'm like
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go they be 50 by now I'm like M I'm 44 years
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old you McGregor is 50 must be 50 by now
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Dan you're right they must be it's very unlikely that they're not
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any of them are younger than 50 yeah yeah actually I'll be interesting know
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how many of our teachers are dead right in he didn't even say still
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alive dead I'm interested in the dead ones right into you're dead know yeah I
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don't know I don't know but yeah so he's up for another
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season I don't know what that would be about I don't know why they would do
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that I don't know why they did the first one to be honest it was not very good so
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it wasn't but it was so safe nobody was complaining about it some people said
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they didn't like it but no one said it should be I don't know how that's the
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case I thought the stupid stuff that people complain about in the Acolyte and
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then they literally [ __ ] just shove Obi-Wan Kenobi and Darth Vader again
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together in a way that makes no [ __ ] sense and everyone's just like oh he's
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awesome like what well even the part where remember they're on the planet and
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there's the T and there's a checkpoint that you can just walk around like what
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was that why doesn't Leia mention that she's friends with everyone at the end
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he goes don't tell anyone she goes okay I won't ever okay until Star Wars episode name
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my son after you stupid name my son after
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you yeah remember KY R name Ben it's
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actually kylo Ben we all heard it
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wrong yeah which actually makes more sense that she would name her child Ben
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after having that little adventure with herwan because it doesn't make any sense
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yeah without that years ago you served my father in The Clone Wars and also
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we've met and also we know each other very well
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yeah silly I want to hear about this how does Nintendo own rights to porn movies
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so Nintendo it does not seem like a very Nintendo it doesn't does it which is why
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this is interesting so Nintendo own the rights to two adult films um Super
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hornio Brothers and Super hornio
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Brothers to right right they acquired
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the rights to these to adult films so that no one
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else had the rights to them so somebody made these you know on the sly and
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Nintendo run Jeremy mhm of course it
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is he's a terrible now for sure yeah oh
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well he's also got this degenerative brain disease and doesn't remember anything oh how
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convenient no no no I mean he's I thought you were say he's a hor because
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he can't remember anything what a waste of life no he's a horrible person stuff
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he does but now he's got this brain disease and he doesn't remember he
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doesn't know who he is anymore so he doesn't remember all the women that he
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abused okay no better let him might as well let him go
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then they did well they put him into a home where he will die
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oh all right they're not going to feed him or anything
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no but yeah so they made this so they just didn't do the
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normal back back then you didn't no compete just yeah just just buy it
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and can't be released because we own it and we're not going to release it there
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must be copies of it out there though for sure I love this thread here it have
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to be that it says that uh they star Ron Jeremy as Mario and someone in the
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comments says actually Ron Jeremy didn't play Mario he played Luigi and then
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someone said you can literally see him dressed as Mario in the thumbnail and
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there's another guy dressed as Luigi no no Ron Jeremy's playing Luigi he's just
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wearing Mario's clothes
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what okay he's also the short fat one I guess that's the plot they've messed up
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the names in the plot or quickly put each other's clothes back on then the
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wrong way around
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yeah it's really really blew my uh my my
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the mood when they called each other by the wrong names take right out of the mood
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suspension of disbelief yeah that's right that's not a real yeah that's not
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Mario [ __ ] a goba it's Luigi not interesting Cooper
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Trooper oh he's down the pipe oh what's Yoshi doing
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that tongue that long long
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tongue oh no he's riding
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him don't put the egg
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there now they're stopping to eat
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mushrooms so Nintendo bought it so they could bury it they bought it so they
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could bury it yeah y yeah but now they can never say they don't officially have
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to officially licensed Mar pornos which is not the nice family
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image you have pivot it's available if they've certainly had the opportunity as
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they never do [ __ ] take the blood out of all our favorite Genesis
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games yes Luke you've famously watched a
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lot of the porn parodies just for the story um the Star Wars one is actually
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will you be watching this made by people who enjoy Star Wars the xfiles one was
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shot beautifully it looked like an episode of The X Files yeah shot
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beautifully all over her face I might see if I can find a copy
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but I have a feeling it's not going to be story story I don't know maybe oh I
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just got one question will he be doing the voice will Ron Jeremy be hey it's me
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I'm gonna [ __ ] you it's a me Luigi
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[Music] I'll see what I can do I'll see what I
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can do oh my God so I know you know there's
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this kind of Trope that like dads make the same joke over and over again till
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till the kids know what the joke's going to be um I'm already guilty of that
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right because it was just Harper and I home two Fridays ago and I'm like we're
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ordering a pizza and um when it came to the door I opened it up and the GU
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handing me the pizza and then just runs into the door frame wearing nothing but
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a pair of undies and goes hey is that of my
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pizza and I was like that's hilarious but also I really need to stop saying
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that every time I talk about pizza never
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stop too late quality
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yes so we we we talked the other week
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about um how an opponent interactive
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was uh teaming up with remedy MH to produce a bunch of stuff
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MH um so all the staff at anaero interactive resigned this week because
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of this they're like [ __ ] video games
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don't know no it's they wanted to go
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independent right all of them so everybody who worked there why not just do it
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together well I think that's why they've alligned start their own so they can go
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off I would check your contracts people if I were you I think it probably has a
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non-compete but uh like everybody who works there was
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like can we have a meeting and they all went in there and all at the same time
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they went I quit like what the [ __ ] does that
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happen all 25 staff we've ever had to make but we didn't not take this
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situation can all all the people who work at a company resign why is there
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still a company you can't company literally a group of people yeah um I
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think it's because um the basically want to get out from under their parent
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company and a pictures Okay so this
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subsection of the company theyve with so it's not the entire company just this
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department they've all they wanted to go interactive yeah but okay so this is
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the department that's going to work on control too yeah so remedy have said
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this will not affect control to CU remed going to got the money we don't need
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those people yeah okay yeah they weren't doing anything they were just giving us
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money maybe that's why they're annoyed oh by the way we're doing control too
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yeah I mean none of you get to work on it it's literally going to be remedy
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we're just giving them the money well looking at the games that these guys
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make I don't think they want to work on a control 2 they I think they like like some of
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the games like stray and out of Wilds like they nice fun games and I think
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they maybe want to do their own not not everyone's dream is to work on a
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big AAA game is is control to a big AAA game I guess it is it's at least double
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A I I would say it definitely is now okay and it's no after Alan Wake and how
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it ties into everything I see remedy like that but I
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suppose no I I'd say remedy's now tripa
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a not quadruple a like Ubisoft
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but I mean this could work out well for them don't know what this worked in the
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tech industry before guys left Commodore invented Apple and then Commodore bought
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Apple I mean not Apple Amiga amga
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Amiga yeah no no I I guarantee in the next month or so you'll see all these 25
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people have created their own game studio and we're working on this yeah
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all right working on control
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three we didn't want to do a sequel we wanted to do the trilogy
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um just speaking of games I told you last week that I was playing um the
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demake of King's Quest 6 um I'm at the
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very end and I think I've Siera myself
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um I didn't speak to I'm in the [ __ ] dungeon and I didn't speak to this one
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dude earlier in the game and now when I go into his room instead of telling me
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where the secret passage is he calls for the guard and even though I know where
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the secret passage is cuz I've [ __ ] played the game before my character
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doesn't know to look for it so right yeah but there's this great line
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in it that I'd forgotten from the game where one character says to you burden
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me not with thy poetry and I'm like oh I'm going to say that that's a great
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line I'm gonna say that to Shakespeare next time he comes around
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yeah um Sony announced something this
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week it's a PlayStation 5 Pro hm very
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expensive PlayStation price is it how much is a I reckon I paid at least this for
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my current Xbox $100 this is
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$700 oh it's 700 us yeah that's expensive okay what is it
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the Xbox series X was 500 bucks so it's 200 bucks more and I think the
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PlayStation 5 I got was four something less yeah so
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it's expensive look I think the part of the cost is actually just a hard drive
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really well people are saying the footage that they showed they showed
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only old games that you could already play and it's hard to tell because you
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know all everything we see is streaming online and basically everyone's saying
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why would we spend $700 on this there's no evidence available that this is worth
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the money because it doesn't look better cuz I guess you have to see it in
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person like but no I don't think it is going to look better and I think this
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where I think Microsoft is doing the right thing they are releasing their
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sort of own sort of mid generation one but it's not saying it's a pro or
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anything it's just like bigger hard drive it's a little bit faster but it's
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not saying it's going to revolutionize anything which it's a mid midcycle one
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it's not meant to revolutionize anything it's just meant to be a yeah well cuz
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someone said here oh actually the um the Final Fantasy 7 remake looks a lot
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better on PS5 Pro but then in the comments the replies to that people said
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it doesn't look $700 better and then the person said I didn't say it did look
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$700 better I just said it does look
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better yeah so have you heard this so we might be getting more Final Fantasy
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games on the Xbox really there's rumors going around that they're finally going
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to just release everything so I might finally get to play Final Fantasy 7 the
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Remake you've played the original Last the yeah play yeah since I think cuz son
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you just keep paying them off to keep it an exclusive yeah stop it they
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won't I want to play it I'm not buying a
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PlayStation cuz I've tried that before and it doesn't work having a PlayStation
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brought a PlayStation yeah brought a PlayStation 3 just to play like the
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Uncharted games and stuff like that and I just couldn't do it getting a trophy
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and I just go feel like I'm cheating on on
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Microsoft I told you the VR is [ __ ] good I want to get um the steering wheel
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stuff for it I just I don't know where to put it like it it would take up so
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much it does take up space yeah certain reason I haven't done that but the VR is
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is very good on it I don't know why Microsoft needs to make that for the Xbox it's
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good I want there to be VR good enough
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to convince me to buy VR hardware and it
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just hasn't come along V Gran Turismo on
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that on the VR like it's amazing like it's it's really and it's ideal because
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you're in a car so you just sat and you're looking around and it's it's so
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good it's very convincing like even like it's can be nighttime and you pop the
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headset on in the dark and then you're driving a convertible in the Sun and and
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you it's hard to explain but your body react it's like oh yes nice and warm
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like like it doesn't make any sense but you have a weird reaction to it it's
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yeah it's very convincing uh put a pin in that I want
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to come back to uh convincing but okay it's part of another
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conversation so we we'll that NE ging is it he's trying to convince me of
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something and I'm not sure I mean I told him it was fine but
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so else we got you guys watched anything this week well yeah I mean we can talk
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about this now and I can lead into it um so I told you last week I was watching
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um the Lord of the Rings extended back to back um I do about an hour a night
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that's all I have in me and so it's taken me two weeks to watch six movies
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because I've done Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit um and I'd only ever seen the
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first hobit I saw it at the cinema when it first came out and I hated it so I
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didn't bother seeing the rest funny thing happened while I was
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watching it this time I really really
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liked it now no you didn't it's totally different this edit is totally different
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to what I saw at the cinema the long edit so so this is the you know this is
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the 4 Hour for each episode version not
30:48
the version right not only that it
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really really suffered by being 3D in 120 frames a second it looked [ __ ]
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garbage and just it looking like a normal movie again is a huge setup Hello
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darling oh hello I don't have your pinky
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D oh I do sorry took it off you before didn't I you stole it off earlier
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hello hello bye
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okay um so look I'm also I was more
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open-minded this time too sure right because I I knew I didn't like it so bar
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was set very very low but also actually when you come watching straight from
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Lord return The Fellowship of the Ring is a great movie it's the best of those hands
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down these Hobbits are at least as good as Return of the King you know really okay
31:51
yeah and it makes sense cuz everyone's like why is there all this extra stuff
31:55
in there well because he hadn't written Lord of the Ring when he wrote this and
31:59
if he just made this like the book you'd be like well we know that [ __ ]
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legalis was living in merkwood before he went to the Council of so why isn't he
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there when they're there like it felt at the time like these things were shoe
32:14
haunted but actually the the more you watch it you're like well actually no
32:17
he's just rounded this off the book [ __ ] gandal just keeps walking off
32:22
for no reason and there's no explanation where he goes right in this it's like
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they've already R Conn The Hobbit into saying that the Necromancer ended up
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being Sauron okay so that's where Gandalf is he's [ __ ] investigating
32:36
this to make sure it's not s on which it is spoilers like I'm enjoying it I've still got a
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whole almost a whole movie to go CU I've done the first two and I'm in 20 minutes
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into the third movie and the book storyline is already finished so I I not
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actually sure where this is going from here so you haven't seen my least
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favorite bit of of them that I remember remember yet I do recall my second least
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favorite bit is the [ __ ] barrels down the river but that was silly in the book
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as well and I was I was I had my teeth clenched while I was watching that and I
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was like okay it's not so bad it's not so bad have Neil gam over to watch
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it but I remember one complaints at the time was that they
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they put stuff in the movies that didn't pay off in the later ones so is that
33:24
with the extended viewings is that AO story there's nothing that doesn't pay
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off so far yeah y y yeah I think I know what you mean cuz I remember thinking
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like why did why they even bother with ragas like doesn't put but like no he's
33:39
[ __ ] he's still in it he's still doing stuff with Gandalf like yeah I
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think they might have just it's a silly thing to say that they
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were too long and also that more makes them better but sure somehow it somehow
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it is anyway I'm into it well I will still not and I think
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that um what's the actor that [ __ ] plays Bilbo the Marty Freedman Freeman I
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think he does a great job I think he does a really good job like he's a
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little bit sarcastic and yeah but he's he's good and and I didn't realize I
34:15
don't know why I wasn't aware of this when I first saw it but the scenes where
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he's talking to smog it's like Sherlock
34:23
right yeah so it's good speaking of Martins I watched the first episode of
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season 4 of only murders in the building oh still good oh still good still
34:34
finished it is too okay gotta keep watching is what it is it's still good
34:40
they make a joke about the fact that we've been very lucky with all the murders in this
34:45
build yeah it's good it knows what it is yep and this is definitely the last
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season I believe I don't know someone's going to keep offering them money I've
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never known Steve Mar to turn down cold hard cash I mean it is they have a good team
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the three of them yeah very good yeah I got to finish the second season I didn't
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find it as good as the first and so I was skeptical and opted out but maybe
35:11
I've got to go back and no enjoyed all of it I I'm Ling The Hobbit Now why not
35:16
why not give this a second chance but anyway I was going to say something
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about immersion right so oh yeah start of the third
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movie uh beyond the the The Boatman is
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with his family in his house they hear a noise outside they look out the window
35:33
[ __ ] dragon flies over it looks great right mhm and they're they're they're
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terrified because they know what a dragon can do right as you would but I'm
35:42
not terrified CU I know that Dragon can't hurt me right as the viewer and
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I'm suddenly realizing I'm like that this this is the limitation of cinema
35:51
right I have to empathize with the characters I can't feel this for myself
35:55
whereas if I was playing say Skyrim right I see a dragon I'm [ __ ]
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terrified my heart rate goes up I know I'm going to [ __ ] at the very least
36:04
[ __ ] ruin my [ __ ] Armor fighting this thing trying to think of when I
36:09
saved last I'm going to have to go back like you know it's it's you know and I
36:13
was thinking how could you introduce
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that level of um emotion into a film and I've come up with an idea tell me what
36:22
you think of this before you watch a film you have to
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enter yourit C details right and any time the dragon or the bad
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whoever comes on screen they deduct $40 from your
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account so you hear the dragon coming and you're like no no
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no you you just see a shadow go past
36:48
like and then suddenly [ __ ] no no it's $40 like every time it's on you get
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deducted $40 you're going to start getting scared
36:59
I can see that fear being there but if
37:03
that's the case I'm not going to the movies did you did you this a good Games
37:09
Inc no it was uh it was you know Griffin mroy
37:14
from my brother my brother and me yeah it was him and and a friend of his that
37:18
he would do they would basically come up with a video game idea kind of improv
37:22
style I came up with one it was called cook for Cube and it was basically
37:27
started out the concept was originally was like Master Chef the game and it's
37:31
Gordon Ramsey and then at the start of the game you start cooking and then
37:34
Gordon Ramsay's at the start of the game he's like what's a really racist thing
37:38
someone could tweet just just just for fun what's and you go I don't know say
37:42
something really horrible and it's like okay and then as the game goes on you
37:45
learn it's not Gordon Rams it's just Cube and it's like cook for Cube and
37:48
it's like if you don't cook for me you're sending that tweet and and then
37:54
so the there like one of the features of the game it actually tweets from
37:58
and so one of the features of the game is it's like social perade death is the
38:04
one of the features of the game fantastic there used to be this guy that
38:08
used to have this blog that I used to read it was very funny he used to apply
38:12
for jobs real jobs but with silly
38:15
application cover letters and then post them and if he got a response he would
38:21
post the response as well but he once applied for a job at Nintendo and he
38:25
goes you know I responding to your ad about game developer I've I've got a
38:31
great plan of how we bring Mario into the real world basically you play as
38:36
Mario after he's been married to Peach
38:39
for like 15 years and he is just bored they just and he's like and most of the
38:45
game is you just you're in bed you haven't had sex and you just have to
38:50
press X on repeat to moderate your breathing so that she thinks you're
38:54
asleep and doesn't try to talk to you and
39:01
it went on and on and [Laughter] on did he get a response I can't
39:08
remember if he did for that one or not maybe maybe he did maybe he
39:13
didn't I feel like they'd make that game these days not Nintendo someone else
39:18
would make that game yeah yeah it's probably version of that there was a
39:22
game where you were an old woman visiting her husband's grave and you
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yeah and you had to try get there before the Grim Reaper took you before you died
39:30
yeah and you walked incredibly slow
39:37
yeah what was that game called uh I think it called the graveyard or
39:40
something yeah it might have been never played it Judith's walk or
39:47
something uh am I thinking of something else you thinking of Dear Esther or
39:51
maybe I'm thinking of Dear Esther that's I am thinking of
39:55
dearer you know yeah then I played a game where I played as a baby drowning in the
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bathtub what you've played that have i who's your Daddy what remains of Edith
40:08
Finch there's a section oh I haven't I haven't played that oh mate have you played that
40:13
Luke it is amazing it's
40:18
amazing I enjoy walking simulators yeah I mean basically it's good story yeah I
40:25
mean this is all just story it's just all character and story but Whimsical but
40:31
like dark Whimsical like gone home was another one
40:35
was all right yeah was yes isn't that still wakes the Deep sort of like
40:42
that um not uh yes and no there's more interaction with characters like it's not just you
40:48
finding story there are characters that you interact with but it is more that
40:52
walking and just going around little bit more action than just walking
40:57
not aim still definitely worth a
41:02
play all right there was also that one [ __ ] what was the name of it I think
41:08
it's called the suicide of Rachel Foster where you play as a girl who find your
41:12
best friend commits suicide and you find out she did it because your dad molested her and
41:18
um that's right you're you just play as
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her [ __ ] live living a [ __ ] life aren't video games fun but I remember
41:28
the first level you're yeah it's
41:32
me Luigi why because he that I'm of me
41:37
run Jeremy stars in suicide it's kind of like that it's kind
41:44
of like the the graveyard one cuz the first you're at your best friend's
41:47
funeral and it's raining and you've got this umbrella and you're just trying to
41:51
yours is colored and everyone else is black and you're just trying to push
41:53
your way through the crowd to get to the grave and it's just like hard to get
41:56
through like why am I why am I playing [Laughter]
42:02
this uh all right let's talk about something can I ask you about something
42:08
that might be fun luk have you played more of the Star Wars Outlaws
42:13
game I have that doesn't sound good not
42:17
good it's disappointing it's it's slow
42:22
okay like it's more about like Star Wars you think and I'm a
42:28
Outlaw like I'm a Smuggler I think it's going to be like lots of firefights
42:31
which there is but the game rewards you more for sneaking around and it's a
42:35
Assassin Creed breaking in yeah but yeah I don't know I think it just
42:41
missed the mark a little bit I think they have made an update I haven't
42:45
played since I made the update we've made like the stealth missions a bit
42:47
more forgiving but there are missions there that if anyone SP you just no go
42:51
back for safe right yeah and I'm more it should be I should be running around
42:56
just shooting people and stuff okay so all right bummer it's a
43:02
shame I was going to try it but I'll wait surprised guys I mean yeah yeah I
43:08
was sort of looking forward to it I was looking forward to you liking it and
43:12
then me signing based on that to get it but you can try it for 20 if you don't
43:18
like it I'm not going to play it not wasting $20 I'll wait until it I
43:23
wait until I can buy it for $20 I've got yeah I've even got the $200
43:27
version of it what did you get something good or just different clothes for no
43:32
just some just some clothes and stuff which you don't use because CU she's
43:36
naked in your game all the time no no cuz the clothes that they give you they
43:40
don't have any powers or anything but you can buy clothes that give you stats
43:44
so why would I use Cosmetics when I can use and yeah but I didn't pay $200 I'm
43:51
just got Ubisoft class oh I see which so I think it's about $20 a
43:57
month but I get the full edition of this I'll get the full edition of the
44:01
ultimate edition of Assassin's Creed when that comes out next month it pays
44:04
for itself which Assassin's Creed comes out next month Shadows the Japanese one
44:10
that's next month holy [ __ ] oh okay yep [ __ ] Star Wars look I'll just keep
44:15
playing Tomb Raider until that comes out and I'll buy that got a fish Allen wake yeah I'm
44:19
pretty sure it's next month double check next month or before the end of
44:26
the year that's coming out stalker 2 I'm quite looking forward to playing that'll
44:30
be on Game Pass so boring have that yes no sorry I was off game pass for a
44:36
little while and then I I came I came crawling back I told you I was woken up
44:41
early to play air hockey today it's getting late well Luke was
44:45
working up to do this podcast um can I tell you a fact sorry it's
44:51
November that's okay it's September now can I tell you a fact this week that
44:56
blue my [ __ ] mind please do
45:02
M Luke you don't read right no no I
45:06
can't read Matt Lil you read both to yourself and to a child am I right yes
45:13
when you read to yourself you read silently in your mind and when you read
45:16
to your child you read out loud right correct me too me too that's the that's
45:21
the way to do it right sure until the Middle
45:25
Ages reading in your head wasn't a
45:31
thing okay right anything you see in ancient Rome ancient Greece where people are
45:37
just read something didn't happen like that they always read out loud huh
45:43
reading in your head wasn't invented until the Middle Ages you don't want to
45:48
know why there's a really specific reason for it too because that was when they decided
45:54
to start putting gaps between the words
45:58
oh all writing up until then had no gaps
46:03
Greek ancient Greek ancient Latin all the Sumerian languages they just write
46:08
so unless you're actually saying it it doesn't make any
46:12
sense so if you see Latin on an ancient subscription like what am I trying to
46:17
say inscription like in an old movie like Egyptian with hieroglyphs or
46:22
something and there's there's gaps that's that's an anachronism hm
46:27
there you go even they said like monks and St you you would they would read it
46:31
out loud to themselves like even if you buy You' be
46:35
like that's interesting I so we I have a friend who you know there they say there
46:39
are people who have no internal yeah monologue I have a friend who claims to
46:44
have none and was very confused by the whole concept to be honest to the point
46:49
that I I believed it and I would be interested to ask and I will ask if I
46:53
remember when they read how does that work yeah what what voice reads to you yeah
46:59
because yeah because and I visualize a lot when I read too which is part of
47:04
what I enjoy about reading fiction is that i' I visualized it and a funny
47:07
thing too I noticed this the other day even if I'm read so I'm reading one of
47:10
the expanse books I'm slowly making way way through them I've seen the TV show
47:15
and so some of the charact I don't know why this is some of the characters look
47:20
like the actors but not all of them I don't I don't know how my brain decides
47:25
that it just happens yeah and even though there's a scene that's I've seen
47:30
on the television when I read it my brain's reimagining it and I just I just
47:36
noticed it and I was like that's interesting that why do I do
47:40
that you talk about the the interior monologue but I've actually got two
47:45
different ways I can read silently I can just look at the words and understand
47:50
what they mean or I can pretend somebody's reading it to
47:54
me but they're different if I want to read quickly I just look at
47:59
the words and know what they I don't think I do the second one with the
48:03
people who say they don't have an interal monologue I just think they
48:05
don't I've always just thought they don't understand
48:09
what actually is and they're confusing it and I think asking about the reading
48:13
question will well that's what the bamal Mind theory is Julian Jane's bamal mind
48:19
Theory um is that uh up until a certain
48:24
point in human development which is they later than you think humans didn't know
48:31
the the voice in their head was just their own thoughts and that's why
48:34
ancient people just used to think gods were talking to them and Spirits were talking to
48:38
them huh right okay
48:44
interesting when it's no you were just talking to yourself thinking
48:48
things mhm I've read a great book this week but I realized too that when I read
48:54
and this wasn't a book I'd seen the film of I I read have you ever read um we have always
48:59
lived in the castle by Shirley Jackson I've heard of it she's the author of
49:03
House on Haunted Hill the original she wrote a bunch books horror books in the
49:07
60s which she long you I think Jenna might have read we have always lived
49:10
it's excellent it's very good it's just basically these I think she mentioned it
49:14
two sisters live in this old decrepit house and you know that something bad
49:17
has happened and also will happen but you don't know what it is until you read
49:21
it but I I worked out that I see the entire thing from one angle so like
49:27
sometimes they're in a kitchen sometimes they're in the garden sometimes they're
49:29
go to the front door but it's like I'm watching an a watching a play with
49:33
different sets next to one another I don't know how my brain decided it was going to do
49:40
that yeah it's funny yeah how does your brain decide these things and I find
49:46
sometimes a book like um the the city in the city is a good example where I takes
49:51
me a while for me my brain to settle in to the strangeness of it mm M and then
49:57
once it's once my brain's decided this is how the world works you know it's
50:01
hard to explain but you know the the that that story is set in a very
50:06
strange yes it's high concept it's very
50:09
hard to actually yeah you know kind of how how would that even work it wouldn't
50:15
yeah yeah anytime people say what's it about I go oh [ __ ] me that's what I'm
50:19
saying I'm struggling as we speak read it yeah yeah concept there's a that and
50:26
another one that comes to mind is I think I've mentioned it on the podcast
50:28
before is um only forward by Michael Marshall Smith is a book that's
50:33
written and I again it's hard for me to describe accurately and it takes a
50:39
little while for your brain to settle into how it's going
50:42
to get wrap itself around the way the world works yeah but then once you're in
50:46
it you're in it and it's like it all all starts to make sense but it's just funny
50:51
how like the way I visualize the city and the city in my head I wonder if
50:55
that's the same way you did probably not yeah do your favorite and do not
51:00
watch the the TV show they they made it yeah there's no way you can um with
51:07
things like City in the city and actually I did it with the I read the
51:11
book the ship of thesis that oh yeah is
51:15
the S the JJ Abrams yeah I gave up on all the footnotes but I read the actual
51:21
book and I really liked it but because it's again High concept I start reading
51:25
it and then I actually find it helps to go online and read a synopsis um and
51:31
then start reading the book again because I'm like okay it like grounds me
51:35
you know and I think I did that for City in the city too cuz I think I was
51:38
legitimately confused by the conceit you
51:42
know sure yeah yeah yeah so I try to explain the city and the city is about
51:47
there's two cities they're in the same geographic location but they're two
51:53
separate cities and if you're a citizen or if you're in one city you're not
51:58
allowed to look at or notice or interact
52:02
with people in the other city it's it's illegal unless you go through customs
52:07
yeah and like and the story follows a detective trying to solve a crime of a
52:13
body that was murdered in one city but dumped in another if that's even
52:18
possible yeah and so and it's just yeah like I said it just takes your brain a
52:23
little bit to wrap your head around but then once I was into it it was fine yeah
52:27
did you finish did you read the whole book yeah I did I I found it I found the
52:31
ending was got a little bit disappointing but I did really enjoy it
52:34
overall but the I didn't quite I didn't quite it wasn't as satisfying as I was
52:40
hoping for yeah right right I I found it quite satisfying I think I just was all
52:46
in so I think yeah oh you don't care
52:51
like the whole there was a third City that's why they couldn't find the killer
52:55
there was a third City yeah and some of it just fell apart a bit like it lost it
53:01
kind of lost the feel of the the first three how can there even be two there
53:06
might as well be a third and that's why you couldn't see
53:12
him yeah it lost it a bit at the end for me that doesn't make any sense very good
53:17
it's worth doesn't make any sense I'll say this though so I bought his book
53:21
with Keanu I'm looking at it up there now oh yeah I'm not hooked I'm not hooked
53:27
I I'll I've I've stopped I'll go to something else and I'll come back when
53:30
I'm bored and I'll try again I've got another China mville One called the
53:34
Kraken yeah I haven't read it yet but I
53:37
got it read that from Kindle yeah when I
53:42
read I didn't I read uh last days of New Paris first because and this is the only
53:48
reason I heard about it was that I heard it was Robert cel's favorite book when
53:53
he was making disco elisium so I read that and I was like yes this is [ __ ]
53:57
nuts what else has this guy read read City in the city census taker um I read
54:02
about four of them in a row uh veryy creative writing yeah
54:08
yeah check out only forward if you've never read it it's good I've got it
54:12
bookmarked right here I can get it for $7 from um I think you like Brotherhood
54:16
books yeah I I haven't read it and when you said it I was like okay it's won the
54:20
Philip K dick award it's a good book yeah it's got a good cover
54:27
it's got a l comfortable very quotable right it's got a lot of my Kindle copy
54:32
of it it's got a lot of highlights in it where that's a that's a good line which
54:36
Kindle do you have you just got I have I have an older paper white that I carry
54:41
around with me because I don't care and I have one that's the 6 in paper white
54:46
next to my bed which is like a cuz I I have the paper white this one
54:52
right yeah yeah so I carry one of those around with me and I've got another one
54:56
it's a newer one that I don't want to wreck yeah the one that I carry around I
55:00
I A bug flew on the screen at one point and I went to whack it and it's got like
55:04
a a bright spot this has a bright spot has a bright SP they're so easy to
55:10
damage that's it's irritated me so much and I've always thought about buying
55:14
another one replacing it except that I actually find this quite frustrating to
55:20
use anyway it's it's not very responsive I just the newer ones better they're not
55:25
yeah like wor worse I would argue for [ __ ] off I would argue the new one is is
55:31
slower because they've put too much [ __ ] on it yeah okay yeah not quite there not quite
55:36
there yeah yeah I was when I got the new one I was like oh the screen's nice and big
55:43
and then I was like why is it taking so long to turn on why is it it's just yeah
55:49
I also almost got talked into buying one of those what's it called sketch sketch
55:54
sketch oh I think I say the books everyone's talking about oh I did look
55:58
at that I did look at books Palmer so looks pretty good it does look pretty
56:02
good um TCL have a smartphone that you
56:05
can switch to paper white um huh or just
56:10
you know screen looking which I also thought about the boooks I was like I
56:17
don't know you're supposed to pronounce it books or books books is funnier I'm
56:20
going to say boots yeah I was about to say I never considered that but I'm
56:23
going to only say boooks now the boooks Palmer um looks great because it's phone size
56:29
say oh I can carry it with me or if I'm just out and about I could just read on
56:33
my phone yeah yeah I know but you can't buy on the Kindle app but then again
56:39
these I don't think the books pmer you can actually have Kindle anyway right
56:44
yeah and I'm not off like if I'm doing that it's probably because I'm in line
56:46
for something I'm not I'm usually just reading something already really you can
56:51
you can start a sample of it and then purchase it later you know what I mean
56:56
if you want to start reading it immediately there like a work around
56:59
fair fair yeah what do you read on
57:03
Luke Xbox don't read Xbox trueachievements.com I wish I could read
57:09
I missed reading if they had books books if there was a bookstore on the Xbox and
57:13
you got achievements would you read yeah you know what it used to
57:18
happen and you used to get a lunchtime pan pizza and a little star to go on
57:22
your badge for every book you read you remember this yeah
57:26
yes look just because when I when I live in sydne catch and train I read two
57:32
three books a week like reading all a Time catch public
57:36
transport okay two no I mean I believe you I'm just saying that's a lot of
57:41
books that's what I used to do loved it but yeah move the camera there's there's
57:46
public transport but it's horrible so you just drive to work and I don't I can't stop to
57:51
read my brain doesn't let me I need like screens going at me
57:56
con I have time for screen for reading I'm actually pretty good at compartmentalizing
58:02
it yeah see I I like books physical books I do I mean I've got tons of them
58:07
behind me but it's so inconvenient now yeah it is that like like the Kindle's
58:13
just yeah with me if I have my bag it's with me if it's not then I use my phone
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but yeah yeah no I age stability to like not like I said a book is just it sounds
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so stupid now because I used to always have books with me I us literally I
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would travel with them if I was going like I went I remember when I went over
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to England I finished my books while I was traveling around I had to buy more
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books so I to bring more books back in my suitcase like I wouldn't do that now yeah yeah
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but but yeah there is something about a physical book that's
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nice speaking of books and the people that write them go to
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patreon.com multiple nasm or go to multip nasm.com and follow the links uh
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follow on Pat on at the $5 tier per
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month and tune into the Afterparty where the last few weeks we've been doing Neil
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ging watch to see who and what he's fingered and what if any are the
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consequences we' also got and we also have geek of the week we've got two
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candidates for the geek of the week I don't think there going to be too much
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competition though but we'll find out no no this is we've had a lot of listeners
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WR in and say we know what's happening this week my daugh is in a
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out I just want this to be look at
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you you got Binky again you don't need Binky there you
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go be 10 more minutes we're going to do 10 minutes of after party all right tune
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