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Kyle Shanahan Addresses Media on Car Accident, Eagles give MASSIVE Extension to Jalen Carter, Jerry Jones on Potential Cowboys Trades · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 2: What is going on, my people? How are we doing?
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Speaker 2: John Middlecoff Three and Out Podcast. Hopefully everyone is doing well,
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Speaker 2: living life and enjoying life. We got a lot going on.
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Speaker 2: We got some clarity on the Shanahan situation, which was
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Speaker 2: getting out of control. I don't know if the Bucks
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Speaker 2: might be hitting the reset button here. We got a
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Speaker 2: Quote of the Day BS Quote of the Day. There's
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Speaker 2: a lot of quotes today that we got to dive into.
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Speaker 2: We got the Eagles extending Jalen Carter, Jerry. We got
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Speaker 2: a lot going on, So no mail back today. We'll
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1:02
Speaker 2: As we start gearing up toward football, I think by
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Speaker 2: tomorrow every team in the league will be on the field.
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Speaker 2: Some teams might have days off depending on their schedule,
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Speaker 2: but every team will be full go in training camp
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Speaker 2: and within a couple of days while pat so let's
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Speaker 2: enjoy it while we can't. Let's just dive into Kyle.
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Speaker 2: So I want to start with the Kyle Shanahan situation.
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Speaker 2: And it felt like the story had kind of gotten
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Speaker 2: out of control the way it was released, way after
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Speaker 2: the fact, which doesn't bother me at all that this
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Speaker 2: was a situation that we found out today a guy
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Speaker 2: needed eight to ten hours of surgery, but then all
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Speaker 2: the details weren't right. And Grant Cone who I was
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Speaker 2: at a practice one time, and I love Grant's dad.
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Speaker 2: Grant's dad, Lowell, is a legendary columnist in the Bay Area.
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Speaker 2: He is just a beauty that they don't make them
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Speaker 2: quite like that anymore. They don't really exist in the business,
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Speaker 2: and the business has obviously changed, but my dad was
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Speaker 2: so proud. I did local TV early on in my
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Speaker 2: radio career, and I would go on TV with Lowell.
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Speaker 2: And my dad just loved reading loll in the San
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Speaker 2: Fransco Chronicle for years in the eighties and the nineties.
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Speaker 2: He might have worked for other newspapers as well, but
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Speaker 2: his son Grant is kind of a throwback. And Grant
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Speaker 2: cone Is would fit right in in places like Philly,
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Speaker 2: in Boston, some of the Northeast markets, which are which
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Speaker 2: are a little more adversarial. You know, you got the
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Speaker 2: media going out, not that you know that the guys
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Speaker 2: in San Francisco do not, but it's it's an easier
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Speaker 2: operation for a head coach out west. It just is.
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Speaker 2: And Grant is you know, feels much more like Philadelphia
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Speaker 2: in a very modern way. He's got a big YouTube channel.
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Speaker 2: I used to be at practices with him all the
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Speaker 2: time and he wants you know, I was at the
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Speaker 2: practice when Javon Kinlaw, who at the time his career
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Speaker 2: was a disaster, really high picked the forty Niners could
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Speaker 2: have had Tristan Wirfs kind of threatened to beat him up.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it was and it would not have gone
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Speaker 2: well for Grant. Then he ended up getting called into
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Speaker 2: John Lynch's office and John Lynch and kin Law and
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Speaker 2: Grant talked it out. That was years ago. Kind of
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Speaker 2: put Grant on the map a little bit in him
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Speaker 2: and players of you know, butted heads over the years.
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Speaker 2: Him and Kyle go at it a lot. He goes
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Speaker 2: at it to Kyle. Kyle you know, can be hit
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Speaker 2: or missed, back plays along. Sometimes sometimes it does not.
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Speaker 2: He uh, he posted something today after Kyle Shanahan, which
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Speaker 2: this story had taken on a life of its own,
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Speaker 2: called basically the majority of the local beat writers into
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Speaker 2: his office. And I saw Grant post this on YouTube.
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Speaker 2: I said, you know what, let's just play this and
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Speaker 2: then kind of react to what actually happened.
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Speaker 3: I was streaming this morning and I got a call
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Speaker 3: from the forty nine ers PR director telling me to
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Speaker 3: come down to the facility right away. Kyle Shanahan got
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Speaker 3: on the phone and told me he wanted to talk
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Speaker 3: to me. I thought I was in trouble. I drove
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Speaker 3: down immediately, didn't even brush my teeth. I get to
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Speaker 3: the media room. All the beat writers are in there,
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Speaker 3: so I realized, okay, I'm probably not getting fired. So
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Speaker 3: we go into Kyle Shanahan's office and he greets us,
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Speaker 3: and I didn't understand what the purpose of the meeting
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Speaker 3: was gonna be. He wanted to talk about the crash.
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Speaker 3: He wanted to apparently set the record straight and tell
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Speaker 3: what really happened. And he starts by saying, you know, Grant,
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Speaker 3: you wrote last night a bunch of details that were wrong.
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Speaker 3: But he didn't blame me. He said, I understand where
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Speaker 3: you got the details. It was in this online database
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Speaker 3: provided by the police department. They got it wrong. They
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Speaker 3: said the other driver was at fault. Kyle said, he
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Speaker 3: was at fault and he was crying. He was really upset.
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Speaker 3: The other driver's young, he has kids. One of the
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Speaker 3: kids is about as old as the drive and he
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Speaker 3: was just horrified at what he had done. He said, he,
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Speaker 3: you know, was driving twenty miles an hour. He dropped
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Speaker 3: his phone, he went to grab it, veered into the
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Speaker 3: other lane.
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Speaker 2: That was that.
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Speaker 3: He was really upset and I wasn't expecting to see
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Speaker 3: all that, to hear all that.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: Part of the emotion was the concussion that he's suffering from,
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Speaker 3: which is serious, not severe, but serious, and he says
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Speaker 3: that this is something that he goes through every day.
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Speaker 3: But the other part of it is the PTSD that
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Speaker 3: he said he's feeling right now because of this crash.
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Speaker 3: Is how could you not? So, you know, he's gonna
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Speaker 3: come back from this from the broken bones and the concussion,
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Speaker 3: but he's also going to have to probably I'm saying,
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Speaker 3: go to therapy and talk through this because extremely traumatic
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Speaker 3: what happened. And I just want to say that I
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Speaker 3: have so much respect for Kyle Shanahan for setting the
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Speaker 3: record straight. It was killing him that this other person
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Speaker 3: would take the blame for this, and as soon as
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Speaker 3: that became the public narrative that it was the other
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Speaker 3: person's fault, he set the record strait immediately and wasn't
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Speaker 3: easy to do so. I didn't know he was that
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Speaker 3: kind of guy. He's a stand up guy, and I
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Speaker 3: respect him and I appreciate him for handling it the
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Speaker 3: way he did. So wish mus speedy recovery.
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Speaker 2: It's pretty clear that Kyle or the forty nine ers
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Speaker 2: wants the story that Grant actually published about the details
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Speaker 2: of the collision, that according to the local authorities, she
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Speaker 2: was at fault, which is Kyle called them all in.
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Speaker 2: He was at fault, and this accident rocked his world.
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Speaker 2: He needed eight to ten hours of plastic surgery to
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Speaker 2: patch the guy up and to cry. You know, I've
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Speaker 2: been to years of Kyle Shanahan press conferences, and Kyle
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Speaker 2: gets along with all these guys. Well, if you told
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Speaker 2: me what would have to happen for him to cry
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Speaker 2: in front of the local beat reporters in his office,
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Speaker 2: I couldn't even imagine what I'd have to come up
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Speaker 2: with and it wouldn't be good stuff. So for a
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Speaker 2: guy that's clearly gonna live and everything's you know in theories,
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Speaker 2: he gets over this concussion, going to be okay, this
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Speaker 2: is probably best case scenario to get him to cry.
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Speaker 2: But it also shows you so I was having a
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Speaker 2: conversation with someone recently and they knew someone who was
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Speaker 2: it was actually close to me as well that was
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Speaker 2: in a hardcore head on collision and same type situation,
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Speaker 2: you know, battered and bruised emotionally. It really messed them
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Speaker 2: up for you know, a short period of time. And
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Speaker 2: I do think the way this story was being presented
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Speaker 2: with all the different conspiracy theories, I mean, let's face
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Speaker 2: a lot of people were thinking, like was the guy
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Speaker 2: drunk and the forty nine ers were able to cover
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Speaker 2: it up. And as someone that has lived a large
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Speaker 2: portion of my life in northern in California and my
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Speaker 2: wife is now two of her best friends one is
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Speaker 2: a barrier barr a police officer or married to, and
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Speaker 2: the other is married to a barrier member of the
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Speaker 2: fire department. I've been texting them. They're like, this is
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Speaker 2: you're not going to be able to cover this up
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Speaker 2: If there was something nefarious. So if people want to
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Speaker 2: get mad about the way this was reported to delay
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Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan, isn't exactly mister Leeker. And when you're getting
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Speaker 2: eight to ten hours of plastic surgery, the first thing
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Speaker 2: you were thinking about is like, when do we need
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Speaker 2: to get this story out? The football season was not
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Speaker 2: going on. It's not only believable, it honestly makes you
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Speaker 2: kind of feel bad for him that you know, I've
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Speaker 2: I we would all be guilty. I don't give a
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Speaker 2: shit who you are of playing with our phone when
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Speaker 2: we're driving. It is clearly something that is not only
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Speaker 2: not safe, it's kind of crazy that we don't have
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Speaker 2: more and more of these incidents happening. And he claimed
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Speaker 2: he wasn't text messaging. It fell. You rummage, things fall,
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Speaker 2: you move, you look up, and all of a sudden
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Speaker 2: you get hit by an oncoming Mercedes that very lucky
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Speaker 2: probably didn't take his life, probably because they weren't going
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Speaker 2: that fast, as he said, twenty miles an hour. I
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Speaker 2: think the speed limit on that roads twenty five. But
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Speaker 2: I do think the conspiracy theories come out of Earlier
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Speaker 2: this year, we had the Vabel situation, and it was
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Speaker 2: pretty clear we were all just getting lied to by
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Speaker 2: the coach. Now, Kyle hadn't said anything, but they immediately
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Speaker 2: came out with the statement, it's like, guys, Mike, he
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Speaker 2: can't be laying pipe all over town with an NFL
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Speaker 2: reporter and act like nothing's going on when all of
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Speaker 2: us with a fucking working brain, this ain't adding up.
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Speaker 2: And the more and more stuff came out, it's like, Mike,
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Speaker 2: you gotta wear this thing, you know, on the chin,
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Speaker 2: and he kind of refused to. He never really took
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Speaker 2: accountability to the media, and you could argue it's like,
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Speaker 2: was that really his place that he need to is
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Speaker 2: a private matter. I person don't care, Like I said,
10:01
Speaker 2: who knows what was going on in either one of
10:03
Speaker 2: those personal lives. But in this situation with training camp
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Speaker 2: starting and a guy not being able to be a
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Speaker 2: practice and the story breaks clerical error that the girl
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Speaker 2: hit him, which obviously was not the case, Kyle ran
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Speaker 2: into her. I give the guy credit for calling all
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Speaker 2: these guys in and kind of nipping this thing in
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Speaker 2: the bud and being like, listen, you can't get in
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Speaker 2: one of these accidents, especially in an area like Palo Alto,
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Speaker 2: where Kyle does not live the forty nine Ers is
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Speaker 2: thirty minutes away from where the forty nine Ers play,
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Speaker 2: and think, oh, there's Kyle Shanahan. Let's not take a
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Speaker 2: toxicology report, especially when the guy's going to go into surgery.
10:38
Speaker 2: So I just there, This is not Philadelphia. This is
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Speaker 2: not like still got some mob dies, you know, we
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Speaker 2: can cover some That's not the way this area works.
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Speaker 2: And most of these people where he was in Stanford
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Speaker 2: Hospital are not necessarily from the greater area, you know.
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Speaker 2: So I think this story finally can slow down a
10:57
Speaker 2: little bit because there were a lot of people in
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Speaker 2: myself that went something. I can't tell you how many
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Speaker 2: text messages I've got. I mean, Colin was one of
11:05
Speaker 2: the first guys to call me over the weekend like
11:07
Speaker 2: what are you hearing? Because that's who we're all thinking,
11:09
Speaker 2: like what are you hearing? I've gotten multiple texts from
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Speaker 2: people in the league like what are you hearing? What
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Speaker 2: do you know? Something? Doesn't that up? It's because listen,
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Speaker 2: it wasn't handled that well. It started becoming a PR nightmare,
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Speaker 2: and the easiest way to end a PR nightmare is
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Speaker 2: to have the person involved in the situation talk about it,
11:28
Speaker 2: because you can't have all these opinions. No one knows
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Speaker 2: except these two people in this twenty one year old
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Speaker 2: girl who we have no clue who is who she is, Like,
11:36
Speaker 2: isn't saying a peep. So unless someone says something that
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Speaker 2: was there, this isn't one of those verbel situations where
11:43
Speaker 2: you got pictures on a boat with pregnancies and it's
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Speaker 2: like we started putting the pieces of the puzzle together.
11:48
Speaker 2: We don't have any pieces of the puzzle. I haven't
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Speaker 2: seen any video evidence. I haven't seen any evidence of
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Speaker 2: the car. Like, no one knows anything. And I think
11:55
Speaker 2: this was a situation that you know, as Grant said,
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Speaker 2: and listen, Grant and Kyle, I wouldn't exactly call BFFs.
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Speaker 2: You just sometimes you got to handle it and it's
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Speaker 2: not easy to handle it. And you talk about a
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Speaker 2: guy crying in front of these media members, it shows
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Speaker 2: you how emotionally fucked up he is. I mean, I've
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Speaker 2: never got a real surgery, so I can't even imagine
12:16
Speaker 2: being under the knight for eight to ten hours in
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Speaker 2: your face. And by all accounts, he looks way better
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Speaker 2: than what he did fifteen or however many days ago.
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Speaker 2: But like this story, like you know, as people listen
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Speaker 2: and I'm a believer too, where there's smoke, there's fire,
12:32
Speaker 2: you start like, this doesn't add up. We're not idiots anymore.
12:35
Speaker 2: This isn't nineteen sixty where it's like, Okay, yeah, I
12:37
Speaker 2: believe that. Like I think how much stuff we've been
12:40
Speaker 2: through in the last like five years, and you find
12:42
Speaker 2: out later like that was all bullshit. Well I could
12:44
Speaker 2: have probably told you that at the time. But I
12:46
Speaker 2: think most people just can like kind of figure things
12:50
Speaker 2: out much quicker now because of all the information we have.
12:54
Speaker 2: And the other thing is it's like really hard to
12:56
Speaker 2: hide things for a long time.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: I've heard a lot of stories in the eighties with
13:01
Speaker 2: Eddie de Bartelo, and this would be true to professional
13:05
Speaker 2: teams all over America. They could just make things go away.
13:10
Speaker 2: Those times are a lot different now, and it still happens,
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Speaker 2: I think in college in some of these smaller towns
13:18
Speaker 2: where it's very insulated. That's not really the case for
13:22
Speaker 2: a lot of these professional teams San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle, Chicago,
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Speaker 2: New York. There are things that happen that you have
13:30
Speaker 2: no control over, even if you wanted to do something
13:33
Speaker 2: quote unquote nefarious because you got some power, because you
13:36
Speaker 2: got a team worth a lot of money and has
13:38
Speaker 2: a lot of juice doesn't mean shit. I promise you
13:42
Speaker 2: if it did, none of these guys would ever get
13:44
Speaker 2: in trouble. And they're constantly get in trouble. I mean,
13:46
Speaker 2: we've seen multiple coaches. One coach for the was the
13:49
Speaker 2: Vikings today just got suspended for the next three weeks
13:52
Speaker 2: for a Dewey. Another coach for a Dewey just got
13:54
Speaker 2: fired yesterday. Like this notion that you just get away
13:57
Speaker 2: with things like that ain't happen to me more not
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Speaker 2: in this day and age. So we just know everything,
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Speaker 2: and I think this situation felt like kind of a throwback.
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Speaker 2: It's like, what's really going on? And maybe it just
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Speaker 2: wasn't as crazy as we all thought. He simply looked
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Speaker 2: down like a lot of us have done, and because
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Speaker 2: of the road set up, went right into the car
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Speaker 2: and got his fucking world rocked and clearly lucky to
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Speaker 2: be alive, lucky to keep his eye and hopefully which
14:25
Speaker 2: big picture for the forty nine ers is really important.
14:28
Speaker 2: I heard Albert Breer say this. He said, there's probably
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Speaker 2: not a coach in the NFL right now, that is
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Speaker 2: is close to Belichick in terms of his total power
14:36
Speaker 2: in an organization and in terms of like how much
14:40
Speaker 2: juice he uses in the draft and free agency during
14:44
Speaker 2: the season, he gets whatever he wants, Like Andy Reid,
14:47
Speaker 2: let's each run the draft, right, seun They just extended
14:50
Speaker 2: the GM in Denver. Obviously Sean Payton has a lot
14:53
Speaker 2: of juice. But like you look at some of the
14:55
Speaker 2: prominent gms, like Seattle just won the Super Bowl, Like
14:57
Speaker 2: John Schnyder's in charge of the obviously, Howie Roseman is
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Speaker 2: in complete control. Less Neat has a lot of power.
15:05
Speaker 2: They just drafted like a childhood friend of his kid
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Speaker 2: at pick thirteen. Now I'm not saying McVeigh didn't want
15:10
Speaker 2: to do it. It clearly came out he got on board.
15:12
Speaker 2: But it's pretty clear who's you know, beating the drum
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Speaker 2: for that draft selection. It was Less Neat. So I
15:18
Speaker 2: just think this is a situation that had gotten out
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Speaker 2: of control and in a I mean, it couldn't have
15:27
Speaker 2: been easy. But obviously Kyle just kind of drew a
15:31
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15:35
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19:01
Speaker 2: Hell I got a couple of investments like that right now. Luckily,
19:05
Speaker 2: with stocks they can come back up. With players, there's
19:07
Speaker 2: no coming back up. Well, once they start trending the
19:09
Speaker 2: wrong way and they lose their physical abilities, whether it's explosiveness, speed, power,
19:14
Speaker 2: just injuries start to happen. That's where you can get
19:17
Speaker 2: in trouble with some of these contracts. And Jason Lytt
19:20
Speaker 2: and John Schneider are very very close and the Seattle
19:24
Speaker 2: you know, with Pete, they went all in on that group,
19:28
Speaker 2: and over time after they kind of peeked, it kind
19:31
Speaker 2: of blew up in their face. Now they're still such
19:33
Speaker 2: a well run organization and Pete was a good coach.
19:36
Speaker 2: They never bottomed out, but they definitely petered out a
19:39
Speaker 2: little bit in the late twenty tents and their team
19:43
Speaker 2: was clearly not as good as they were in the
19:46
Speaker 2: early twenty tens, and it took them a while to
19:49
Speaker 2: kind of reset the whole thing. I mean, let's face
19:51
Speaker 2: it, it took trading Russell Wilson to get to the point
19:55
Speaker 2: where they've been in the last couple of years, and
19:56
Speaker 2: obviously last year, even if they hadn't won the Super Bowl,
19:59
Speaker 2: let's say they would a lot the NFC Championship to
20:01
Speaker 2: the Rams. They had accomplished what they were trying to accomplish.
20:05
Speaker 2: Reset the roster, get a bunch of young players, get
20:07
Speaker 2: some new blood in here and get ascending people on
20:10
Speaker 2: the roster. And the Rams did that when they kind
20:14
Speaker 2: of did their reset three or four years ago, and
20:17
Speaker 2: it worked because when you extend guys, and it came
20:21
Speaker 2: out today Baker Mayfield and the Bucks no more negotiating
20:24
Speaker 2: through training camp, Vidavea. Why did he want a trade?
20:28
Speaker 2: Because clearly Jason Light's not comfortable with giving him like
20:32
Speaker 2: a three year, one hundred million dollar extension, and he's
20:35
Speaker 2: he'll be during that EXTENSI he be thirty two, thirty three,
20:38
Speaker 2: thirty four years old for a guy that weighs a lot,
20:42
Speaker 2: you know, I like Baker. He's very enjoyable. I have
20:46
Speaker 2: a lot of respect for the guy he's become. You know,
20:48
Speaker 2: obviously having children, getting married clearly kind of changed the
20:52
Speaker 2: course of his maturity. I've always liked him as a player,
20:55
Speaker 2: and he kind of found his his footing in Tampa
20:58
Speaker 2: and it's been enjoyable to watch. You watch quarterback's kind
21:01
Speaker 2: of you know, easier to kind of wrap your head around.
21:05
Speaker 2: Why when you watch them last year like something is
21:07
Speaker 2: way off all he's really banged up, But you know
21:11
Speaker 2: what is Baker? Was it a guy that had a
21:14
Speaker 2: couple of years of resurrecting his career, or is it
21:16
Speaker 2: a guy that's gonna play another six to eight years
21:18
Speaker 2: at a really high level. Because if Jason light knew
21:21
Speaker 2: right now he was Jared Gofford Dak Prescott right gonna
21:25
Speaker 2: have a long period of time playing at a high
21:27
Speaker 2: level with the current skill set that he has, I
21:30
Speaker 2: think they would have no problem extending him. But I
21:33
Speaker 2: do think there are a lot more questions than answers,
21:35
Speaker 2: and you could argue those couple of years are a
21:37
Speaker 2: little bit more of an outlier. He's had some injury
21:39
Speaker 2: concerns and the Vidavea situation, it's like we might go
21:44
Speaker 2: through a little bit of a rebuild slash reset over
21:49
Speaker 2: the next couple of years, and I think they have
21:52
Speaker 2: to be thinking about doing that right now, and clearly
21:55
Speaker 2: they are. And a lot of people Vidavea and Baker Mayfield.
21:59
Speaker 2: If you extended those two people, which would not be cheap,
22:04
Speaker 2: people would applaud you just taking care of your guys.
22:07
Speaker 2: It's not really the way the NFL works. The way
22:10
Speaker 2: the NFL works is like once you hit a certain age,
22:12
Speaker 2: or if I have any question marks with a quarterback
22:15
Speaker 2: because of the costs. Everyone's like Sam Donald makes nothing.
22:18
Speaker 2: People act like Sam Donald makes like three million dollars.
22:21
Speaker 2: You know, he signed a one hundred plus million dollar contract.
22:24
Speaker 2: His contract relative to the league would be a ton
22:27
Speaker 2: of money beside like the top two or three percent
22:30
Speaker 2: of other players. You know, So even if when you
22:32
Speaker 2: get guys on cheap contracts, they still aren't that cheap
22:36
Speaker 2: relative to the rest of positions. And I just think
22:40
Speaker 2: after Baker's year last year, some question marks with coach
22:45
Speaker 2: in terms of Todd Bowles, and you start looking around
22:48
Speaker 2: like Carolina's kind of recouped a bunch of young talent.
22:51
Speaker 2: Obviously the Saints as well. It's like, maybe we take
22:54
Speaker 2: a deep breath and just let's play this thing out.
22:58
Speaker 2: Because Jason Light spent a lot of time with Belichick.
23:00
Speaker 2: He was a part of those teams that were really,
23:03
Speaker 2: really good. He was also part of Andy Reid staff
23:06
Speaker 2: on teams that did the same thing. You know, all
23:09
Speaker 2: these players love Andy Reid. He traded and kind a
23:12
Speaker 2: lot of them, you know, he's just good at kind
23:15
Speaker 2: of keeping that relationship, you know. But a lot of
23:17
Speaker 2: them did not necessarily finish their careers on the squad.
23:21
Speaker 2: Most of them didn't have the Travis Kelcey swansong. Now,
23:24
Speaker 2: Travis is more accomplish than a lot of guys you
23:26
Speaker 2: know that played in Philly or even the early version
23:28
Speaker 2: of the Chiefs. But like, that's part of this business
23:32
Speaker 2: is removing the emotion and thinking like what is this
23:35
Speaker 2: guy going to be the next three or four years,
23:37
Speaker 2: because if you pay for previous like what you've done
23:41
Speaker 2: in years past with older guys, that's where it could
23:44
Speaker 2: blow up in your face. Philadelphia had a I didn't
23:51
Speaker 2: see this coming. Jalen Carter just got a four year,
23:55
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty six million dollars extension. But the
23:58
Speaker 2: key number here is one hundred plays million. I think
24:00
Speaker 2: it was like one oh six million dollars guaranteed. Well,
24:03
Speaker 2: here's the thing, Jalen Carter's going into his fourth year,
24:07
Speaker 2: and during this period of time, you have to choose
24:09
Speaker 2: whether you pick up their fifth year option. Obviously Jalen
24:12
Speaker 2: Carter's fifth year option would have been picked up, so
24:14
Speaker 2: over the next two years, Jalen Carter was guaranteed thirty
24:18
Speaker 2: million dollars. So when I see one hundred plus six
24:22
Speaker 2: million dollars, not really, this is not Puka Nakua who
24:27
Speaker 2: was a mid round pick whose contract after year four
24:31
Speaker 2: is over. Obviously you could franchise, but you could franchise
24:35
Speaker 2: Jalen Carter as well after So when you get that
24:38
Speaker 2: money like Jalen Phillips, who signed this offseason with the
24:42
Speaker 2: Carolina Panthers, got eighty million dollars guaranteed, Well that's I'm scratch.
24:47
Speaker 2: He's just a free agent. This is a guy that
24:49
Speaker 2: you had under contract for a couple of years. I'd argue,
24:53
Speaker 2: of all these big deals you see, this feels like
24:56
Speaker 2: one of the more team friendlier deals for a guy
24:59
Speaker 2: with upside to be and has had moments one of
25:03
Speaker 2: the best players in the league. And let's face it,
25:06
Speaker 2: a huge reason this guy went to nine and not
25:10
Speaker 2: wasn't a top I forget who the first pick in
25:12
Speaker 2: his draft was, but probably a quarterback was a top
25:15
Speaker 2: two or three pick, because you know, just pure talent.
25:18
Speaker 2: He was the best player in his draft. There's a
25:20
Speaker 2: lot of question marks and a lot of teams thought
25:23
Speaker 2: they couldn't handle him. They didn't have the infrastructure, they
25:25
Speaker 2: didn't have the position, you know, room structure of veteran guys,
25:30
Speaker 2: which you know, the Eagles had big time when he came,
25:33
Speaker 2: Fletcher Cox was there, Brandon Graham was there. He sees
25:36
Speaker 2: Jason Kelcey every day. Like they have an Lane Johnson around,
25:39
Speaker 2: like they just had an infrastructure of veterans position group.
25:42
Speaker 2: It was a unique situation, a good team with a
25:45
Speaker 2: high pick because of a trade, and they took a
25:49
Speaker 2: risk as well, and it worked out. It worked out.
25:53
Speaker 2: Now there is a big difference. You know, you're the
25:57
Speaker 2: ninth pick in the draft, you get millions of dollars,
26:00
Speaker 2: and then you get this level. It's a different level.
26:03
Speaker 2: So I think they are very, very vested now or
26:07
Speaker 2: invested in this guy's success. I mean they always have been.
26:11
Speaker 2: But their team on defense is pretty loaded. I mean
26:16
Speaker 2: it's stacked. They have a Hall of Fame level coordinator
26:19
Speaker 2: in Fangio. They have elite players at basically every level
26:24
Speaker 2: of their I mean at every level of their defense,
26:27
Speaker 2: and a defensive tackle. They got Jordan Davis and Jalen
26:29
Speaker 2: Carter from Georgia who are both now under long term contracts.
26:33
Speaker 2: They just trade for Jonathan Gernard who they extended. Right.
26:38
Speaker 2: They have multiple linebackers who are good. Their defensive back
26:41
Speaker 2: room with Cooper dejen with Quinnon Mitchell. I mean, these
26:45
Speaker 2: are like high end players. So you look at the
26:48
Speaker 2: Eagles like they're gonna be unless they have catastrophic injuries.
26:52
Speaker 2: A top four or five defense in the league. Right,
26:56
Speaker 2: all the pressures on Sean Mannion, Jalen Hurts, Nick Sirianni,
27:02
Speaker 2: all these wide receivers now like trying to obviously Saquan
27:05
Speaker 2: bounce it back the offensive line. It's all about the offense.
27:09
Speaker 2: It's all. We talked about this earlier, the Lebron James.
27:14
Speaker 2: You get a deep breath those first couple of months
27:16
Speaker 2: for as much as humanly possible for a guy at
27:18
Speaker 2: that started him because of the power of the Birds
27:21
Speaker 2: in that city. If it's going great, that's all they're
27:24
Speaker 2: talking about. If it's going bad, they'll even talk about
27:26
Speaker 2: it more so. I listen the Eagles on defense, you
27:30
Speaker 2: can chalk them up for kicking ass and taking names.
27:33
Speaker 2: It's gonna come down to can their offensive score points?
27:36
Speaker 2: Can their offense not go three and out you know,
27:39
Speaker 2: every other drive and lead the league because if they
27:42
Speaker 2: have a solid offense, it's like one of those situations
27:44
Speaker 2: like CJ. Stroud, we don't needed to be John Elway,
27:48
Speaker 2: Like no one's looking for you to be Peyton Manning.
27:51
Speaker 2: You can just be Alex Smith and we can win
27:53
Speaker 2: fourteen games. Alex Smith, we can win the Super Bowl.
28:00
Speaker 2: Know what the Eagles like. We're not looking for the
28:02
Speaker 2: seven Pats. We're not We're not looking to be the
28:04
Speaker 2: best offense in the league. Hell, we don't even be
28:07
Speaker 2: a top five offense. Can we just be solid? Because
28:10
Speaker 2: if we're solid, we should win the division? But that
28:14
Speaker 2: to me is one of the biggest questions for Like,
28:18
Speaker 2: obviously there are questions around the league, right Like so,
28:21
Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell said he met with Kyler and JJ over
28:24
Speaker 2: the last couple of days. They put a plan together,
28:26
Speaker 2: kind of split in reps, which I don't not believe.
28:30
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's true, but it's also like I'll
28:35
Speaker 2: be I'll be floored if Kyler Murray's not the starting quarterback.
28:39
Speaker 2: You guys know where I stand. I don't even expect
28:41
Speaker 2: JJ to be on the team unless somehow this offseason
28:44
Speaker 2: he's turned himself into a real NFL quarterback, which nothing
28:47
Speaker 2: we've seen would lead us to believe that. And I
28:51
Speaker 2: think the Eagles, man are just of all the good
28:54
Speaker 2: teams have just like the most on the field like
28:57
Speaker 2: kind of the biggest swing because it could go great
29:01
Speaker 2: or it could be I just don't see much middle ground.
29:03
Speaker 2: I really don't. I want to do something today because
29:08
Speaker 2: I saw this and it was just it was incredible.
29:11
Speaker 2: The quote of the day, This quote is nothing you
29:17
Speaker 2: can even add to it. Here's Plaxico Burris on playing
29:21
Speaker 2: with the Jets and comparing it to prison. They both
29:26
Speaker 2: kind of are similar because when I walked into prison
29:29
Speaker 2: on my first day, I was like, damn you a
29:33
Speaker 2: fucking loser. And I had the same feeling every day
29:38
Speaker 2: I walked through the door with the Jets. I mean,
29:44
Speaker 2: that's an ald timer. He just compared playing for the
29:47
Speaker 2: Jets to going to prison. Hard to beat those allegations.
29:53
Speaker 2: If you're a franchise, it really is this the guy
29:56
Speaker 2: that obviously played for the Pittsburgh Steelers been a part
29:58
Speaker 2: of real franchise. That one's tough. I would say, the
30:02
Speaker 2: BS quote of the day, We're actually gonna play it.
30:05
Speaker 2: It's it's an Alzheimer, you know. Plaxico is just you're
30:10
Speaker 2: not going to read that every day. This one. I'm
30:13
Speaker 2: just I like this guy. I'm a Chris Ballard fan.
30:16
Speaker 2: Seems like a high character guy. Everyone I know that
30:18
Speaker 2: knows them really likes him. Obviously hasn't made the playoffs
30:22
Speaker 2: in forever, has struggled. I mean, they haven't figured out
30:25
Speaker 2: the quarterback position. But he's going in the last year
30:29
Speaker 2: of his contract and he was asked about a potential
30:32
Speaker 2: contract extension and here's what he said.
30:36
Speaker 3: No, No, I wouldn't do one. I'm in the last
30:42
Speaker 3: year of my deal.
30:42
Speaker 2: We need to win. We need to win. Here's my
30:46
Speaker 2: issue with Chris is I think it's easy to say that, like, no,
30:51
Speaker 2: I wouldn't sign a contract even if I was offered.
30:54
Speaker 2: We need to win. You're telling me the number one
30:57
Speaker 2: thing all of us think about. And he's got a
31:00
Speaker 2: big family, he's got a ton of kids. Should always
31:03
Speaker 2: be I love my job and what I do more
31:06
Speaker 2: than anything. It's life consuming. I mean, I think about
31:09
Speaker 2: this twenty four to seven, but it's not more important
31:12
Speaker 2: than my family and it never will be. And this
31:16
Speaker 2: again means everything to me. So if my family's number one,
31:22
Speaker 2: like my role in my family is to take care
31:25
Speaker 2: of them. And if this season, and you know, Chris
31:28
Speaker 2: has made millions of dollars as a GM, but like
31:32
Speaker 2: if this ends, he might like if they have a back,
31:35
Speaker 2: if they go eight and nine again, miss the playoffs
31:36
Speaker 2: and doesn't get a contract, Stenson fired whatever, he might
31:39
Speaker 2: never get a general manager job again. So if he
31:43
Speaker 2: never gets a general manager job again, you're telling me
31:47
Speaker 2: that you would turn down what's the going rate for
31:49
Speaker 2: a GM of ten plus years? Who you know? I
31:53
Speaker 2: mean as a track record are drafting some pretty good players.
31:55
Speaker 2: It has a missus, Like everybody not Howie Roseman or
31:59
Speaker 2: less Need or Schneider or Jason Lyd or something. But
32:02
Speaker 2: I don't know, five, six, seven million dollars a year,
32:05
Speaker 2: you're talking a thirty million dollar contract. You just would
32:08
Speaker 2: not sign out a principle. That feels like your principle
32:13
Speaker 2: is got to be pretty strong, like you'd have to
32:17
Speaker 2: be Yeah, well, you're just gonna move and just go
32:21
Speaker 2: be college scouting director for somewhere else, Go work for
32:26
Speaker 2: Mike morganzi and in Tennessee or something. Just make again,
32:30
Speaker 2: you still make a good living relative to the rest
32:32
Speaker 2: of society. But you're telling me that if Carly Ursa
32:35
Speaker 2: put in front of your face a four year contract
32:37
Speaker 2: at six million dollars a year, like, nah, I'm good man,
32:40
Speaker 2: I got principles. We haven't won enough. I'm holding myself
32:44
Speaker 2: to that. At that level of accountability, I don't know, man,
32:50
Speaker 2: I'm calling bs on that one. What I'm not calling
32:53
Speaker 2: bs on is you know when they show up at
32:57
Speaker 2: Oxnard and they go to the press. I mean a
33:00
Speaker 2: lot of these press conferences GM head coach, sometimes just
33:04
Speaker 2: the head coach, sometimes just the GM. It's pretty rare
33:08
Speaker 2: to look up there and see the owner, the owner's kid,
33:12
Speaker 2: the head coach makes sense because the owner is the
33:15
Speaker 2: general manager. Well, not because Jerry's watching a bunch of tape,
33:19
Speaker 2: but because he loves that title. Other people watch the tape,
33:23
Speaker 2: and then he gets to put in the pick. I'm
33:25
Speaker 2: about talking shit. I have a lot of respect for Jerry,
33:28
Speaker 2: but let's face it, he's not exactly He's not sitting
33:31
Speaker 2: in his office and watching the All twenty two. I
33:33
Speaker 2: wouldn't either if I was him. But Jerry had some
33:36
Speaker 2: interesting quotes today, And you guys know where I stand
33:38
Speaker 2: on the Cowboys. I think they got a chance to
33:40
Speaker 2: be pretty good. I think they got a chance to
33:41
Speaker 2: be really good. I'm gonna put a lot of pressure
33:44
Speaker 2: on Caleb Downs. If you tell me Caleb Downs is
33:46
Speaker 2: like the defensive rookie of the year. If you told
33:48
Speaker 2: me that right now, I would make some aggressive long
33:52
Speaker 2: term bets on the Cowboys division winner, potential super Bowl
33:58
Speaker 2: in the mix. I think he can be that impactful
34:02
Speaker 2: assuming their offense maintains a high level of play and
34:05
Speaker 2: the rest of the guys come together again, big if,
34:07
Speaker 2: big question. This is a team that hasn't been to
34:09
Speaker 2: the conference championship game since I was a little kid.
34:13
Speaker 2: I mean it's forty one years old. Been a while,
34:15
Speaker 2: I mean it's a while, and they are getting asked
34:18
Speaker 2: about these super Bowl expectations. It's like guys like Jack
34:22
Speaker 2: needs to learn to crawl before he could run, right,
34:26
Speaker 2: So let's let's crawl, walk run. Let's kind of there's
34:29
Speaker 2: a stuff. Hey, hey Dallas, let's stop talking super Bowl.
34:32
Speaker 2: You haven't been to a comp Just say, hey, are
34:33
Speaker 2: focus right now? Being the best team possible NFC East
34:37
Speaker 2: is our number one goal. I think that's fair to
34:39
Speaker 2: start talking super Bowl. There's a small amount of teams
34:43
Speaker 2: that to me, it's like, let's win the division. If
34:45
Speaker 2: you win the division, get a home game. It's all
34:48
Speaker 2: in front of you. And I think a team like
34:49
Speaker 2: the Cowboys, like that would be my message, but that's
34:52
Speaker 2: not how Jerry rolls. Jerry did have a pretty interesting
34:56
Speaker 2: comment or comments when it came to his this view
35:00
Speaker 2: of again every practice yet in training camp, his view
35:03
Speaker 2: of the squad.
35:04
Speaker 1: One other thing i'd say that Stephen was commenting on
35:08
Speaker 1: is candidly I'd be very interested. I'd give up future
35:13
Speaker 1: to add substive to where we are today as to
35:17
Speaker 1: a player, to give you an idea about what I
35:20
Speaker 1: invest something substantive to get the right kind of deal
35:25
Speaker 1: to improve us opening day. I would I feel that
35:28
Speaker 1: good about this team this year, And of course you
35:31
Speaker 1: know that I haven't seen this team play together and so,
35:36
Speaker 1: but in general, looking ahead, I think we've got a
35:39
Speaker 1: chance to be worthy of spending some future if we
35:43
Speaker 1: saw an opportunity.
35:44
Speaker 2: Those kinds of conversations that are ongoing, or is that
35:47
Speaker 2: something Hey, let's look at the first two weeks of
35:48
Speaker 2: camp and then address to see if you want to
35:50
Speaker 2: put something fro.
35:51
Speaker 1: Talk to I talked to.
35:54
Speaker 2: Yesterday.
35:55
Speaker 1: I talked about a situation yesterday with another team and
35:57
Speaker 1: another owner.
36:01
Speaker 2: I do think it's pretty clear at the end that
36:03
Speaker 2: a guy asked for a trade a big time defensive
36:06
Speaker 2: tackle he could always use defensive lineman, and he says
36:09
Speaker 2: he talked to a team yesterday about a player. I
36:14
Speaker 2: think a couple of things going One, you're talking about
36:16
Speaker 2: a guy in his mid eighties. There is no guarantee.
36:19
Speaker 2: We just how Kyle Shanany could have I mean it
36:21
Speaker 2: could have lost his life, right, So you're in these
36:24
Speaker 2: situations where tomorrow's never guaranteed. How many more seasons? If
36:27
Speaker 2: you're Jerry, I don't blame him at all for having
36:30
Speaker 2: the mindset of the right thing comes along, we will
36:33
Speaker 2: pull the trigger. Now. Who that guy is, what you're
36:36
Speaker 2: willing to trade, we would obviously debate whoever if that
36:40
Speaker 2: transaction ever went down. I do think it's pretty clear
36:44
Speaker 2: though there is some internal pressure on Brian Schottenheimer this
36:48
Speaker 2: year because Jerry thinks on paper they're pretty good and
36:53
Speaker 2: I don't disagree. So I would think internally their expectations
36:59
Speaker 2: are to be a double digit win team and be
37:02
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. Anything less would be a major disappointment. Obviously,
37:07
Speaker 2: the last year of Mike McCarthy did not go well,
37:11
Speaker 2: and last year because they had one of the worst
37:13
Speaker 2: defenses in the history of the league. When it comes
37:15
Speaker 2: to the pass you have no chance. You can't play
37:19
Speaker 2: in a passing league and give up a historic amount
37:21
Speaker 2: of yards and not be able to cover a soul
37:24
Speaker 2: and have any chance to be a decent team. I
37:26
Speaker 2: don't care how many points your offensive scoring. So I
37:29
Speaker 2: think Jerry, I think he's applying the pressure a little bit.
37:34
Speaker 2: And I think some of these guys, if Brian Schottenheimer
37:38
Speaker 2: was in his first year, I'd be like, this is
37:40
Speaker 2: gonna this is gonna be a nightmare. You have a
37:43
Speaker 2: first time head coach, these crazy expectations. I do think
37:46
Speaker 2: it's a little bit easy of a landing spot. I
37:48
Speaker 2: really do. They're sneaky. A lot of pressure on the
37:52
Speaker 2: NFC East coaches, you know, when you think about it,
37:54
Speaker 2: our balls in his old world. He's made man dam
37:57
Speaker 2: Quinn's coach a first job. If you tell me the
38:01
Speaker 2: Commanders missed the playoffs and don't look good again, like
38:03
Speaker 2: dan Quinn's getting fired, Mike Tom won't be their head
38:06
Speaker 2: coach next year. That's what I would bet on. But
38:09
Speaker 2: dan Quinn is like, we talk about hot seats like
38:13
Speaker 2: a thing, you know, Zach Taylor, we talk a lot
38:15
Speaker 2: about and rightfully so everyone's saying it's the best team
38:18
Speaker 2: they've had. Joe Burrole said that Bile accounts on paper,
38:21
Speaker 2: it might be, but for a guy that's flying a
38:23
Speaker 2: little under the radar that lost the Super Bowl and
38:26
Speaker 2: never gets blamed because Kyle takes all his blame. Again,
38:28
Speaker 2: nice guy. People like him up. I like him, but
38:31
Speaker 2: like how dynamic of a head coach he is. I
38:34
Speaker 2: think the jury's out and in this league, like you
38:37
Speaker 2: win or you lose, so you get judged on the results.
38:40
Speaker 2: You know, no matter how ugly it looks and how great,
38:43
Speaker 2: you can look great and lose, no one cares. I
38:45
Speaker 2: mean the Giants actually look good for a little period
38:47
Speaker 2: of time early in the season most weeks, and they
38:50
Speaker 2: just kept losing because they kept blowing games, and that'll
38:52
Speaker 2: obviously cost day Ball is his job, but I think
38:56
Speaker 2: it's underrated. How much how much pressure there isn't internally
39:02
Speaker 2: on I would say Dak as well, but Dak's on
39:05
Speaker 2: a huge contract, not like he's going anywhere. Blake Brian
39:08
Speaker 2: shot himber and I think Jerry's feeling it. You just
39:12
Speaker 2: you're human being. Can you imagine being in your mid
39:14
Speaker 2: eighties and wondering, like, how many more seasons am I
39:18
Speaker 2: gonna get to watch hell, I'll think about it as
39:20
Speaker 2: just a football fan one day. The other big news
39:35
Speaker 2: today was, you know Netflix, they have the Australia game.
39:40
Speaker 2: They have the Thanksgiving Eve game on Wednesday, which is
39:45
Speaker 2: a Green Bay versus the Rams, So they got forty
39:48
Speaker 2: nine ers Rams to kick off the season in Australia.
39:50
Speaker 2: They got Thanksgiving Eve Green Bay, Los Angeles. They have
39:53
Speaker 2: two Christmas games that are Green Bay at Chicago and
39:57
Speaker 2: Buffalo at Denver, so they're Slate is elite those and
40:03
Speaker 2: they have a Saturday game Week eighteen, which is yet
40:06
Speaker 2: to be determined because you know it'll just throw a
40:09
Speaker 2: game that doesn't necessarily impact the playoffs. But those three
40:12
Speaker 2: games are going to get a lot of people to
40:15
Speaker 2: stream it. I mean, I would imagine the amount of
40:17
Speaker 2: people that watched the Australian game is thirty five to
40:21
Speaker 2: forty million people. Thanksgiving Eve might be a little bit
40:26
Speaker 2: lower just because maybe people are gone and out in about,
40:28
Speaker 2: but the Australia game is going to be massive. In
40:30
Speaker 2: The Christmas games we saw last year are huge and
40:33
Speaker 2: this year it's like it's the best Christmas Slate you'll
40:36
Speaker 2: ever see. Same with Thanksgiving. Luke Keigley, who career shut
40:44
Speaker 2: cut short by concussions. I mean, if he if he
40:47
Speaker 2: could have stayed healthy, I mean, I think he is
40:49
Speaker 2: going to the Hall of Fame. But this week he
40:52
Speaker 2: would have been I mean viewed as one of the
40:55
Speaker 2: greatest linebackers of all time. I mean just had it all.
40:58
Speaker 2: I mean there was from physical size, speed, power, coverage, intellect,
41:04
Speaker 2: total package. I would say that three best linebackers I've
41:08
Speaker 2: seen in my kind of semi adult life the last
41:11
Speaker 2: twenty ish years would be ray Lewis, Erlocker in him,
41:15
Speaker 2: just on a completely different level. And you know, Fred Is,
41:20
Speaker 2: I would say, right in a tier below them, but
41:23
Speaker 2: it has a chance if he keeps playing to kind
41:26
Speaker 2: of be in that world. But he's maybe he is
41:28
Speaker 2: in that level. But I would say ray Lewis is
41:31
Speaker 2: the best in his heyday, Erlacker and Keith Lee just
41:34
Speaker 2: because of their sure size and athleticism. We're just such
41:37
Speaker 2: unique players. Fred's pretty good, but he's going to be
41:42
Speaker 2: the He's gonna be the number one guy in Netflix.
41:45
Speaker 2: And I was reading an article today he did a
41:47
Speaker 2: test run for them, knocked it out the park, you know,
41:51
Speaker 2: not shocking nose football, good looking, guy made for TV.
41:55
Speaker 2: Sometimes I go on TV and I'm like, I'm just
41:59
Speaker 2: I'm just now made for TV. I made for like
42:00
Speaker 2: the internet. Podcasting my friends at Netflix. You know, just
42:05
Speaker 2: this is my you start putting like makeup, shaving my head.
42:08
Speaker 2: It's like, god, I just this is not right. Shine,
42:12
Speaker 2: you know this is not my medium. I do well verbally,
42:16
Speaker 2: like I can say whatever. But it's like, yeah, I
42:19
Speaker 2: see why Hollywood likes good looking people and Netflix is
42:21
Speaker 2: no different when it comes to their games, and you
42:25
Speaker 2: look at Keith Lee and you go, oh, totally get it.
42:27
Speaker 2: Here's one thing to do a trial run of a
42:30
Speaker 2: game somewhere in some studio and your first game ever
42:35
Speaker 2: is Australia Niners rams like that is a lot of pressure.
42:42
Speaker 2: And I don't care who you are the reason when
42:47
Speaker 2: you watch you can like them or dislike him. Chris Collinsworth,
42:52
Speaker 2: Joe Buck, you know, Kirkhurbstreet when he calls. They are
42:56
Speaker 2: very comfortable in that seat. I'm talking Herbstreet more college
43:00
Speaker 2: than pro, but it is what it is. They just
43:04
Speaker 2: understand the role. How could you not. They've got a
43:07
Speaker 2: million reps. Why do you think pro golfers are so good?
43:10
Speaker 2: They practice all the time. However much you think they practice,
43:15
Speaker 2: they practice more. Good football teams take practice really seriously.
43:20
Speaker 2: So part of practice as a broadcaster, whether you're colin games,
43:24
Speaker 2: whether you're doing podcasts, whether you're doing shows with Colin Coward,
43:28
Speaker 2: the more you do it, the more comfortable you get
43:32
Speaker 2: to throw this guy, which I understand why they did it.
43:35
Speaker 2: I mean it's like, big name, Hall of Famer, well spoken.
43:39
Speaker 2: I just think there's a lot of pressure on him,
43:41
Speaker 2: and I do wonder, like you get yourself in a
43:44
Speaker 2: situation you kind of say the wrong thing, you fuck up.
43:48
Speaker 2: You know, it's just one of those things where people
43:52
Speaker 2: start crushing on the internet where you're just universally praised
43:57
Speaker 2: your entire career to all of a sudden, you look
44:00
Speaker 2: on not that maybe he doesn't even care. I don't
44:02
Speaker 2: even know if he has social media. Everyone's shitting' on you.
44:05
Speaker 2: It's kind of a different world, you know, it really is,
44:09
Speaker 2: And then you get numb to it and you realize
44:10
Speaker 2: none of it actually matters. You know, you appreciate the
44:14
Speaker 2: positive reinforcement if people are actually listening, but the negative
44:17
Speaker 2: comments like just tune them out. Sometimes they're true or whatever.
44:20
Speaker 2: But you don't want that stuff in your head. I
44:23
Speaker 2: just think your first two games are Niners Rams and
44:26
Speaker 2: then Packers Los Angeles on Netflix in primetime spots where
44:29
Speaker 2: it's just you, man. That's not an easy landing spot
44:34
Speaker 2: from my guy Keekley. And last, but not least, we've
44:39
Speaker 2: come a long way because it wasn't that long ago
44:44
Speaker 2: that things would happen in terms of business with a team. Hell,
44:49
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, you would see contracts in
44:51
Speaker 2: sports and people would just crush players, crush players. Now
44:59
Speaker 2: society has changed a lot, like get your money, get
45:02
Speaker 2: that bag. You guys know where I stand on it.
45:04
Speaker 2: Get that bag. This is the real world. There's no
45:07
Speaker 2: such thing as a bag. This isn't John Gotti. These
45:10
Speaker 2: are called wires that have These are w two employees
45:13
Speaker 2: and they get taxed at heavy rates. They would much
45:16
Speaker 2: rather have a bag. The problem is they couldn't take
45:17
Speaker 2: it to a bank because a bank wouldn't take the cash.
45:20
Speaker 2: You know, these are these are contracts, not bags. Bags,
45:25
Speaker 2: from what I know, aren't aren't taxed. You know, That's
45:28
Speaker 2: why you put Stuff's why Eddie de Barbelow took the
45:30
Speaker 2: bag of money in nineteen ninety eight. To that politician
45:34
Speaker 2: in Louisiana because if I hand you four hundred grand,
45:36
Speaker 2: you don't have to pay two hundred to the government.
45:38
Speaker 2: Just take the whole bag home. That's not the way
45:42
Speaker 2: contracts in pro sports work. There are no bags. There
45:46
Speaker 2: are just wires that the number that you say you're
45:49
Speaker 2: gonna see, you actually don't see. Not that we should
45:52
Speaker 2: feel bad for them, like the player content that's going viral.
45:55
Speaker 2: Of the taxes, we get it. Everyone pays them. But
45:58
Speaker 2: I've always I hate that fuck term the bag. But
46:02
Speaker 2: you do, like I've been in this business long enough.
46:06
Speaker 2: All you guys are in different industries. Sometimes the media
46:09
Speaker 2: struggles with this. I mean a lot of them I
46:10
Speaker 2: think are kind of bred in journalism school to like
46:15
Speaker 2: question the private sector whatever they cover in you know,
46:18
Speaker 2: sports too, they kind of feels like to test clearly
46:23
Speaker 2: ownership and business at times if you follow them on
46:26
Speaker 2: their Twitter accounts. And I think you have to embrace that.
46:30
Speaker 2: Once you start growing as a company, as a business,
46:34
Speaker 2: as a football team, you never want to go backwards.
46:38
Speaker 2: Like no one makes ten dollars, that makes twenty dollars,
46:41
Speaker 2: that makes fifty dollars, doesn't want to then make one
46:44
Speaker 2: hundred dollars, right, You never want to make less than
46:47
Speaker 2: you previously did. And as you get bigger, let's face it,
46:51
Speaker 2: expenses typically go up, right, especially in these inflationary times.
46:57
Speaker 2: You know you've been a Starbucks lately. Holy shit, to Chipotle,
47:00
Speaker 2: try to get a bowl. It's like you want twenty
47:02
Speaker 2: dollars from a bowl. You give me a little scoop
47:04
Speaker 2: of chicken. It's like I asked for avocado and you
47:07
Speaker 2: threw a little bit of guacamoleia on there. For those
47:11
Speaker 2: of you my age, I don't know. Do subway still exists.
47:14
Speaker 2: Back in the heyday of subway, like twenty years ago,
47:17
Speaker 2: you'd go get a subway sandwich and I swear to God,
47:21
Speaker 2: they would measure like they would put one slice of turkey,
47:23
Speaker 2: one slice of turkey, one slice of turkey. These are
47:26
Speaker 2: not on top of each other. This is throughout that
47:29
Speaker 2: long piece of bread they had. So you would eat
47:32
Speaker 2: a turkey sandwich or a ham sandwich or a roast
47:35
Speaker 2: beef sandwich from subway, there would be little to no meat.
47:39
Speaker 2: It was the biggest scam going. It would be like
47:41
Speaker 2: a bread sandwich. That's why that what you had to order,
47:44
Speaker 2: which actually is pretty good. In its heyday was the
47:47
Speaker 2: meatball sandwich at subway sneaky pretty bomb And depending on
47:52
Speaker 2: you know what you were talking, you get that thing.
47:54
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure for like hundred ten bucks you get
47:56
Speaker 2: a meatball sandwich if you want to be a fat ass,
47:58
Speaker 2: and three cookies there their cookies legit too. But man,
48:01
Speaker 2: you've got a normal sandwich, like a turkey sandwich. I
48:05
Speaker 2: put more turkey on like a half sandwich of a
48:10
Speaker 2: small little bite. I mean, it's like it was a joke.
48:14
Speaker 2: These colleges now are spending so much money on players
48:21
Speaker 2: on coaches. They also have to fund as of now,
48:24
Speaker 2: the soccer team, the softball team, the baseball team. Like
48:29
Speaker 2: those teams make no money. Like Title nine, has no
48:33
Speaker 2: chance to survive if the football programs ever leave, they
48:36
Speaker 2: don't generate any cash. If Adam Silver had ever turned
48:40
Speaker 2: off the spickett, the WNBA before last year would have ended.
48:45
Speaker 2: It would have been like live golf. The only reason
48:47
Speaker 2: that live golf functioned is because the Saudi prints gave
48:50
Speaker 2: them billions of dollars, according to some reports, over five
48:54
Speaker 2: billion dollars over five years. No one in their right
48:58
Speaker 2: mind in the business world world would have sniffed that number.
49:02
Speaker 2: No different with the WNBA never turned to profit for
49:04
Speaker 2: twenty seven years, the NBA funded it at all. Now
49:08
Speaker 2: we can argue whether they're making them now or not.
49:11
Speaker 2: I don't know the books, but they made it a
49:14
Speaker 2: long long time subsidize. That's what college football does for
49:18
Speaker 2: the entire athletic department. Some programs. Obviously, the basketball program
49:22
Speaker 2: makes a lot of money too, So it's the men's
49:24
Speaker 2: and women's. A couple of women's programs like Connecticut, but
49:27
Speaker 2: that's somewhat of an outlier as well. Ohio State today
49:32
Speaker 2: signed a deal with Chase Jamie Diamond seventeen million dollars
49:36
Speaker 2: a year for the Chase brand on essentially a little
49:40
Speaker 2: bit low their shoulder pad, like right by the armpit.
49:46
Speaker 2: Then it came out later in the day that Notre
49:49
Speaker 2: Dame has won up them with so far, giving them
49:54
Speaker 2: twenty million dollars. Remember years ago, I think the Clippers
49:58
Speaker 2: were the first. They did bumble the dating app. That
50:03
Speaker 2: dating app did not back in my single days, did
50:05
Speaker 2: not go well for your boy because on that dating app,
50:08
Speaker 2: the girl chooses you, you swipe them, but if they
50:11
Speaker 2: don't swipe you, you never connect. So they have to
50:14
Speaker 2: swipe you. I don't even know if they were still around.
50:17
Speaker 2: I think the girl actually was a barrier check that
50:20
Speaker 2: created that app. Thing made a lot of money. But
50:25
Speaker 2: this is something twenty years ago that would have been
50:28
Speaker 2: universally just shit on. Everyone would have destroyed. I even
50:32
Speaker 2: would have been like, man, that's kind of tacky. I
50:35
Speaker 2: don't see how anyone could have any other reaction and
50:37
Speaker 2: be like, it's a no brainer. Sofi is gonna give
50:40
Speaker 2: you twenty million dollars for twelve to fourteen games to
50:43
Speaker 2: be on your shoulder pad. Chase is gonna give you
50:47
Speaker 2: seventeen million dollars. In a perfect world at your Ohiose state,
50:50
Speaker 2: you play seventeen games a million dollars a game. I
50:54
Speaker 2: respect both those brands. I was a Sofi shareholder for
50:56
Speaker 2: a little while. It's kind of going too slow for me,
50:58
Speaker 2: so I reallocated some funds if I was running those
51:01
Speaker 2: two companies. I don't see the roiither I really don't
51:07
Speaker 2: like to me, you talk about deals like being one
51:09
Speaker 2: sided or whatever. That to me is a one sided deal.
51:13
Speaker 2: Ohio State Notre Dame won that deal with Ease. That
51:18
Speaker 2: is the easiest contract. Those two programs will ever sign,
51:23
Speaker 2: and if it's seventeen to twenty million, I would imagine
51:27
Speaker 2: Texas is licking their jobs because the bidding would start
51:30
Speaker 2: at twenty million dollars for whatever company. I just don't
51:33
Speaker 2: know how many companies are gonna see the value in
51:38
Speaker 2: putting a tiny little patch, you know, the bumble patch
51:41
Speaker 2: that was kind of their little logo, like I don't know,
51:45
Speaker 2: like the chase and the I don't know, I don't
51:48
Speaker 2: quite get it, but I think we all have to
51:51
Speaker 2: agree can't blame these programs at all, you know, and
51:56
Speaker 2: you can say, well, you know, Notre Dame and Alabama
51:59
Speaker 2: and penns State. They have these historic, you know, kind
52:02
Speaker 2: of old school, non flashy kind of jerseys, right, and
52:08
Speaker 2: I think there's usc too these jerseys that kind of
52:11
Speaker 2: can make someone seventy years old reminisce when they were ten,
52:14
Speaker 2: because they've been pretty consistent the way they look. You
52:17
Speaker 2: can watch Rudy or you can watch Jeremiah Love and
52:19
Speaker 2: they kind of look the same, not as players. Rudy
52:22
Speaker 2: and Jeremiah Love, even though I think Nate Hackett said
52:25
Speaker 2: like he's a rookie and people are like, god, that
52:26
Speaker 2: was a shot. It's like well he's actually a rookie. Like,
52:29
Speaker 2: what's so crazy about what he said? I just don't
52:31
Speaker 2: think any of these programs have a choice. The amount
52:33
Speaker 2: of money and their expenses have never been higher, and
52:37
Speaker 2: they literally go up exponentially by the year. I mean,
52:41
Speaker 2: like two years ago, a roster is like ten million dollars.
52:44
Speaker 2: This year you see people saying there's probably ten rosters
52:47
Speaker 2: above fifty. I even saw that the starting roster composition
52:52
Speaker 2: in basketball, where they got twelve guys and probably two
52:54
Speaker 2: or three are worth any money, starts a ten million dollars,
52:57
Speaker 2: you know. So not talking about your coaches who are
53:00
Speaker 2: all making millions as well. So you start working in
53:02
Speaker 2: this industry like can we make enough while we subsidize
53:07
Speaker 2: the entire department and keep this thing going, It gets
53:09
Speaker 2: very complicated. So props Ohio State, props of Notre Dame
53:14
Speaker 2: for you know, fleecing those two companies.
53:21
Speaker 1: The volume