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Killers Amongst Us: Florida's missing Jennifer Kesse showered and dressed for work, then vanished (part 2) · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, Welcome back to Killers amongst Us,
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Speaker 1: a production of iHeartMedia and Crime Online. A beautiful young girl,
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Kessy skyrocketing in not only the workplace, but in
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Speaker 1: her home life, her private life. Proud parents Drew and
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Speaker 1: Joyce watched her as she hit a home run and
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Speaker 1: practically everything she did beautiful, outgoing, smart, the works, until
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Speaker 1: one day, Jennifer doesn't show up at work. What happened
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Speaker 1: to Jennifer Kessey? Are their Killers amongst Us? I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: We want to solve the mystery surrounding the disappearance of
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Speaker 1: Jennifer with me Ray Kiputo, lead news anchor Orlando's Morning
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Speaker 1: News ninety six point five w d BO renowned psychoanalysts
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Speaker 1: joining us from Beverly Hills. Doctor Bethany Marshall at doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author
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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, Joseph Scott Morgan, California prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: author Red Flags you can find her at Wendy Patrick
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Speaker 1: PhD dot com. And special guests joining me now Drew
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Speaker 1: and Joyce, Kessie Jennifer's parents listen, her car is missing.
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Speaker 1: Her family says she's missing. She's not meant to work.
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Speaker 1: She drove a black Chevy Malibu. It had been all
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Speaker 1: over TV for two days now. In Florida, we have
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Speaker 1: a number of bodies of water, We have all kinds
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Speaker 1: of different places where cars can break down. Yeah, this
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Speaker 1: is Millennium all right here. Tips came in. Yeah, we
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Speaker 1: think we see it over here. We think we see
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Speaker 1: it over there. Tuesday is when she disappears. When was
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Speaker 1: her car phone? Thursday morning, a neighbor who lived at
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Speaker 1: Huntington on the Green saw the news report the Hyking
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Speaker 1: on the Green apartment complex. It's about a mile or
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Speaker 1: so east of Jennifer's apartment. The complex was Yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: it's it's it's rougher. Come to find out, a lot
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Speaker 1: of crime in the area. So we went out to
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Speaker 1: the apartment complex and found Jennifer's car parked at the complex. Guys,
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Speaker 1: you're hearing our friends at Fox regarding Jennifer's black Malibu.
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Speaker 1: The car reported in an apartment complex about a mile
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Speaker 1: east from Jennifer's condo ninety six point five w D
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Speaker 1: bo Ray, what can you tell me? About the Latian
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Speaker 1: where the car was dubbed Nancy. It was about a
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Speaker 1: mile away from where Jennifer lives, literally on the same road. Now,
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Speaker 1: Jennifer lived in a really nice place that was getting
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Speaker 1: built at the time, but this apartment complex that where
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Speaker 1: this car was left wasn't as nice. But other than that,
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Speaker 1: it was an innocuous place. Now as we moved farther
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Speaker 1: away and down the road where Jennifer was, there is
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Speaker 1: more crime in that area, but it's a general area
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Speaker 1: of tourism where there is a lot of crime built
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Speaker 1: in too. So there isn't really anything notable about that
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Speaker 1: apartment complex other than I can say it's just not
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Speaker 1: as nice as the one that Jennifer lived in. Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author Blood Beneath
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Speaker 1: My Feet on Amazon. What do you make of it?
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Speaker 1: And what do you do when you get that vehicle? Well,
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Speaker 1: you know, my hope is that the police would take
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Speaker 1: that vehicle and lock it down completely. I mean, no
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Speaker 1: one having access to this, you know, because it's so important,
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Speaker 1: this evidence that could be contained within the vehicle. You know,
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Speaker 1: we have an expectation that Jennifer would be in the vehicle,
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Speaker 1: so to find trace evidence from her DNA this sort
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Speaker 1: of thing that's not gonna be surprising even to find, say,
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Speaker 1: for instance, her boyfriend's DNA. But what you really want
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Speaker 1: to do, Nancy, in this particular case is lock it
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Speaker 1: down so that you can find unknown DNA that you
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Speaker 1: can profile off of this, because we all leave some
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Speaker 1: kind of trace behind. You know, we slough almost one
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Speaker 1: hundred thousand skin cells dead skin cells from our body daily,
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Speaker 1: and this leaves behind what's called touch DNA. And now
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Speaker 1: we have the ability to go in and trace track
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Speaker 1: this down. But even before that, we have fingerprints all
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Speaker 1: these things that are still very fragile in and of themselves.
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Speaker 1: So it's important to lock it down and make sure
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Speaker 1: that it is secure. Listen, we thought this will be
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Speaker 1: what these parents needed. Her car is here, they will
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Speaker 1: at least be DNA. Is she in the trunk? I
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Speaker 1: think it's apparents first nightmare. I mean, you know, you
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Speaker 1: don't know what you're going to find. It was emotional.
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Speaker 1: Very little was found in that car that was able
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Speaker 1: to help them at all with the case. There was
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Speaker 1: no indication that Jennifer would have been the victim of
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Speaker 1: a robbery. There was there were valuables in the car.
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Speaker 1: There was still a DVD player in the back. There
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Speaker 1: were still a couple of things that were brought brand
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Speaker 1: new DVD player at the time, so that wasn't stolen.
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Speaker 1: Nothing was stolen out of the vehicle, which is weird.
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Speaker 1: It came up with one latent print and one piece
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Speaker 1: of very tiny fiber DNA. They believed that it was
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Speaker 1: wiped down. Guys, you were hearing our friends at Fox
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Speaker 1: joining me. Drew Cassie and Joys. Cassie, Jennifer's parents from
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Speaker 1: that spot. Drew from her condo to where the car
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Speaker 1: was found. I want to talk about the area where
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Speaker 1: the car was found. Was a part at any kind
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Speaker 1: of a business where there could be surveillance video and
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Speaker 1: in that mile stretch? Florida is notorious for all of
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Speaker 1: its tolls, tolls everywhere you go. You got to have
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Speaker 1: that easy pass at Sunshine Pass. So were there any tolls?
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Speaker 1: Were there any red lights that they have had a
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Speaker 1: red light camera between oh and the gate? Was there
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Speaker 1: a camera at the gate? What do we know about
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Speaker 1: that one mile stretch? Drew Cassie between Jennifer's condominium, her
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Speaker 1: brand new condominium and where her black Malibu was found.
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Speaker 1: What we know at this time is, at first there
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Speaker 1: was no cameras. Unfortunately, new cameras went up in Jennifer's
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Speaker 1: complex two weeks after she was taken. We also know
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Speaker 1: that two weeks prior to Jennifer taking the entire security
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Speaker 1: force was let go at the complex and new security
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Speaker 1: was taken on because of the change from a rental
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Speaker 1: to a ownership situation. The mile stretching between Unfortunately, we
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Speaker 1: are still looking in two thousand and six, where technology
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Speaker 1: was just starting to boom, there were no cameras in
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Speaker 1: between the one point two miles except four at the
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Speaker 1: complex where Jennifer's car was dropped. Now, we do have
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Speaker 1: in our possession sixty seven hours of film that law
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Speaker 1: enforcement was able to obtain from anywhere in any place
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Speaker 1: they thought viable. And unfortunately the big box like Walgreens, CVS,
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Speaker 1: the gas station, their cameras only made it as far
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Speaker 1: as their parking lots, didn't even make it to like
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Speaker 1: the sidewalks. So it's unfortunately anything that we have outside
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Speaker 1: the only viable film that we have is is what
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Speaker 1: you see on Jennifer's website and what have you of
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Speaker 1: a person parking her cars, sitting in at thirty two seconds,
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Speaker 1: wiping it down, getting out, walking away and never looking back.
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Speaker 1: Oh gosh. So unfortunately there is very little, if any
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Speaker 1: the only film we have it but the Americas. You know,
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Speaker 1: another question of Joyce Cassie. When the car was processed,
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Speaker 1: what if anything was found regarding evidence? There was a
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Speaker 1: latent fingerprint. It didn't match anybody. But what we have
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Speaker 1: since found out after obtaining the police records is it
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Speaker 1: was Jennifer's latent print. And there is a fiber in
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Speaker 1: the car that they haven't done anything really with. Isn't
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Speaker 1: that correct, Dru Yes, there is what we call trace
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Speaker 1: DNA on a piece of fiber that we're being told
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Speaker 1: is so miniscule that they are going to hold it
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Speaker 1: until it's truly used. I have been pressing to get
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Speaker 1: that identified. Once you have DNA identified, you have DNA identified,
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Speaker 1: and let's get it into these databases, the gen match
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Speaker 1: the you know, these genealogy databases, now on the crime databases.
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Speaker 1: Let's try and solve this thing. I mean, let's not
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Speaker 1: wait for something. It's just incredible. And though we get
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Speaker 1: the files, Nancy, we don't get physical evidence, it seems
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Speaker 1: to me to Joseph Scott Morgan, there was a video
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Speaker 1: of someone parking her car, but it couldn't it couldn't
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Speaker 1: identify the person. How can that be, Joe Scott in
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Speaker 1: this day and age, that the video cannot be enhanced.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we can see craters on the moon, but
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Speaker 1: we can't enhance that video. Yeah, and you know, to
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Speaker 1: think of it, Nancy, it's interesting you should say craters
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Speaker 1: on the moon. I believe that that this video has
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Speaker 1: been pushed up the chain to people that have really
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Speaker 1: high tech equipment, and they couldn't tighten it up enough.
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Speaker 1: The images really kind of faint and digitized and at
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Speaker 1: a great distance. The quality of the camera that was
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Speaker 1: used was not very good to begin with. So the
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Speaker 1: enhancement many times is heavily depended upon, you know what,
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Speaker 1: where it's sourced from. You know, how good, how good
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Speaker 1: is the image that comes to them initially, And when
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Speaker 1: you don't have anything to work with that's you know,
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Speaker 1: of substance, it's really hard to kind of frame it
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Speaker 1: in a way that it could be usable. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to this. We started looking for video cameras because
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Speaker 1: video cameras were becoming more and more prevalent in society.
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Speaker 1: Two surveillance cameras at the complex revealed evidence that would
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Speaker 1: become critical to the case. What does a video show?
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Speaker 1: It shows someone pulling into a parking spot very visible
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Speaker 1: and the guest parking spot by the pool backing out.
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Speaker 1: Pulling in to correctly park the car, sat in the
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Speaker 1: car for thirty two seconds, walked out. The video recorded
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Speaker 1: the car arriving at twelve noon on Tuesday the twenty fourth,
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Speaker 1: the day Jennifer disappeared. And when we see in the
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Speaker 1: surveillance footage that we have basically watching the person walk
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Speaker 1: around the outside of the fencing of the pool area.
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Speaker 1: That's the fencing you see in that film footage. It's
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Speaker 1: incredibly grainy. That shot of the carban Parks could have
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Speaker 1: been anybody sort looking for video cameras because video cameras
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Speaker 1: were becoming more and more prevalent in society. Two surveillance
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Speaker 1: cameras at the complex revealed evidence that would become critical
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Speaker 1: to the case. What does a video show? It shows
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Speaker 1: someone pulling into a parking spot very visible and the
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Speaker 1: guest parking spot by the pool backing out, pulling in
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Speaker 1: to correctly park the car, sat in the car for
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Speaker 1: thirty two seconds, walked out. The video recorded the car
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Speaker 1: arriving at twelve noon on Tuesday the twenty fourth, the
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Speaker 1: day Jennifer disappeared. And when we see it in the
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Speaker 1: surveillance footage that we have, you're basically watching the person
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Speaker 1: walk around the outside of the fencing of the poor area.
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Speaker 1: That's the fencing you see in that film footage. It's
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Speaker 1: incredibly grainy. That shot of the Carbbean Parks could have
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Speaker 1: been anybody. You're hearing, our friends, that's great of ancestern
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Speaker 1: the disappearance of Jennifer Kessey to Drew and Joyce Cassey.
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Speaker 1: You know, Joyce, I know you and Drew have looked
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Speaker 1: at that video a million times. What do you make
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Speaker 1: of it? I think that whoever parked the car knew
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Speaker 1: exactly what they were doing. I do not think that
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Speaker 1: the person who parked her car was the person who
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Speaker 1: actually took Jen. I think they were perhaps just asked
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Speaker 1: to move the car because they're saying that the suspect
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Speaker 1: is five three to five five. Jen was Yep, she's
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Speaker 1: five eight and she was wearing heels, so she would
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Speaker 1: have powered over someone five three and five five. She
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Speaker 1: would have fought with her every last breath in her body.
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Speaker 1: I agree with you, she would have fought unless she
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Speaker 1: was taken unawares, for instance, from behind, or didn't see
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Speaker 1: her attack her coming. Drew Kessie. Jennifer's dad, Drew and
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Speaker 1: Joyce have worked tirelessly to solve the mystery surrounding their
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Speaker 1: daughter's death. Won't you join us the tip line nine
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Speaker 1: four one two zero one four zero zero nine. It
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Speaker 1: only takes one tip to crack this case. Nine four
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Speaker 1: one two zero one four zero zero nine. Drew Kessy.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of that Greeny surveillance video, Nancy?
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Speaker 1: But the video it drives me crazy on a daily basis,
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Speaker 1: to be quite honest with you, I look at it
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Speaker 1: almost every day, and new things come out of it
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Speaker 1: every day. What really drives me crazy is that technology
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Speaker 1: has not caught up. We're very lucky to have it.
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Speaker 1: Jennifer's condo didn't have any film, But someday technology is
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Speaker 1: going to catch up and we are going to be
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Speaker 1: able to do something with that film. But I still say,
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Speaker 1: if anyone looks at that film, excuse me, they'll be
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Speaker 1: able to tell if they know that person. You just
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Speaker 1: don't have to see everything of a person, So we're
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Speaker 1: still trying to touch the heart of someone who's seen
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Speaker 1: that film and said, I know who that is. You know,
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Speaker 1: that's really interesting something that he just said to Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. I can tell when, for instance, my husband
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Speaker 1: comes in the door in the back door, I don't
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Speaker 1: have to see him. I can tell it's him by
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Speaker 1: the pause in the laundry room, and then on his
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Speaker 1: first footstep up, by the sound of it, I can
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Speaker 1: tell it's him. The other night, I had to work late,
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Speaker 1: came in and I saw a can of chocolate icing
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Speaker 1: that you put on a cake sitting out on the island,
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Speaker 1: and I immediately said, John David got an icing because
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Speaker 1: that's his thing. I found socks in front of a
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Speaker 1: particular chair, and nobody had to tell him with those
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Speaker 1: or Lucy's because that's her chair, and as much as
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Speaker 1: I try to make her wear socks all the time
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Speaker 1: in the house, she always either doesn't or kicks them off.
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Speaker 1: My point is what Drew was saying, you don't have
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Speaker 1: to see the face to know who it is by
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Speaker 1: the way they walk something about it. Yeah, you're right,
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Speaker 1: you know it's them. And this is key, Nancy. You
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Speaker 1: don't have to see somebody's face. And so anybody that's
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Speaker 1: out there that has not seen this image, I beg
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Speaker 1: of you. I beg of you to please watch it
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Speaker 1: because we can pick up on things identifiers, if we
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Speaker 1: know somebody, if we have a personal relationship with somebody,
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Speaker 1: or even a peripheral relationship, we pick up on the
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Speaker 1: gate that is, the strides that people take, how they walk,
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Speaker 1: also their mannerisms. Do they move their shoulders in a
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Speaker 1: particular way, do they rotate their head in a particular way,
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Speaker 1: do they take these pauses as you mentioned, you know,
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Speaker 1: and hey, going back to the car, listen, some people
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Speaker 1: park a car in a very specific way that might
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Speaker 1: not stand out to you and I because we don't
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Speaker 1: know them, But my god, you know, somebody might know
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Speaker 1: this person and they say, you know, they do this
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Speaker 1: odd thing with the car every single time. And again,
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Speaker 1: this is back to this idea of repetition. It's a
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Speaker 1: learned behavior. It's something that we cannot escape. In forensics,
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Speaker 1: we call this individualization and that's a tie back for
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Speaker 1: this specific person. So I beg anybody that has not
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Speaker 1: seen this video please please watch it. You never know.
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Speaker 1: You might be able person. You might be the person
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Speaker 1: that can solve this case. Digitalization. You just taught me
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Speaker 1: something new. You just taught me something new, Joe Scott Morgan.
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Speaker 1: And there's another aspect of this to doctor Bethany Marshall.
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Speaker 1: We need to shrink him. Boy, do we have a
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Speaker 1: good one? Psychoanis doctor Bethany Marshall joining us out of
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Speaker 1: la You know, I want to harken back to, for instance,
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Speaker 1: and it's such a great example for so many criminal
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Speaker 1: law issues, Scott Peterson. Where did Scott Peterson dump Lacy
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Speaker 1: and Connor's bodies? He's a fisher. He dumped them where
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Speaker 1: he goes fishing San Francisco Bay. How did he do it?
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Speaker 1: He utilized his own boat. What I'm saying is very often,
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Speaker 1: almost always you see a suspect, a perp go back
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Speaker 1: to somewhere they're familiar, they know, Hey, that's a good
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Speaker 1: place to dump a car. I guarantee you it's somebody
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Speaker 1: that lived or worked right around there, Doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: and knew of this parking lot. Explain you put the
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Speaker 1: right verrbi gentle. What I'm trying to say, Well, first
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Speaker 1: of all, we know that Jennifer was a woman of routine, right.
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Speaker 1: She called her parents every morning, and every night she
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Speaker 1: called her boyfriend. And the good thing is that kept
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Speaker 1: her in contact with her family. The bad thing is
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Speaker 1: that if you have a Scott Peterson type or somebody
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Speaker 1: who is really looking for a victim, they are going
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Speaker 1: to look for women who have routines, who traverse the
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Speaker 1: same terrain every day where they can watch that person
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Speaker 1: and see their comings and goings. And who is going
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Speaker 1: to be looking for a victim in a particular place,
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Speaker 1: a person who is familiar with that environment as you're
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Speaker 1: talking about. There were workers in the area, there were
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Speaker 1: multiple apartment complexes. I understand that the car was parked
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Speaker 1: one point two miles away. I agree with you. Whoever
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Speaker 1: took Jennifer knew the area, was fond of the area,
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Speaker 1: may have grown up in the area or worked in
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Speaker 1: the area, was looking at multiple victims in the area,
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Speaker 1: and had already either prepared a dumpsite for the body,
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Speaker 1: a place to park the car, some getaway, or even
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Speaker 1: had a community of people there to work in concert
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Speaker 1: with him or her, but probably him, as mister Kesi said,
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Speaker 1: they're not sure if the person who parked the car
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Speaker 1: is the same person who may have abducted her. So
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Speaker 1: not only was there a familiarity of environment, but in
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Speaker 1: a familiarity of community. There's not just video of the perp,
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Speaker 1: whether they had to the line or with somebody else
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Speaker 1: in Jennifer's disappearance, but they're perp. Nonetheless, there's more surveillance
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Speaker 1: other than the p one of them leaving her car
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Speaker 1: in a parking lot. Take a listen to this. The
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Speaker 1: second piece of video. We thought this is much better.
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Speaker 1: There is a figure, a person who was still a
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Speaker 1: person of interest walking. It seemed perfect until you really
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Speaker 1: start looking at that piece of videotape and it's heartbreaking.
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Speaker 1: The figure who was walking down the fence line is
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Speaker 1: actually snapped behind a pole in almost every single shot.
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Speaker 1: This is where we catched the best with him, though
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Speaker 1: his face is on the fence posts of the door.
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Speaker 1: This is where we catch the best pictures of the
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Speaker 1: person who dropped Jennifer's car and walked away. It was
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Speaker 1: just a side profile with pretty much healthy face, just
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Speaker 1: blocked the luckiest person of interest ever. Are you certain
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Speaker 1: this is a man? I mean, I'm sorry, it's a man.
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Speaker 1: I mean it looks like a male. That was probably
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Speaker 1: one of the most perplexing and frustrating parts of the investigation.
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Speaker 1: I may contact myself with enhancement experts, and that was
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Speaker 1: taken immediately to them to be examined. That film, by
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Speaker 1: the way, was enhanced by NASCA. The second piece of video,
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Speaker 1: we thought, this is much better. There is a figure,
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Speaker 1: a person who is still a person of interest walking.
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Speaker 1: It seemed perfect until you really start looking at that
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Speaker 1: piece of videotape and it's heartbreaking. The figure who was
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Speaker 1: walking down the fence line is actually snapped behind a
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Speaker 1: pole in almost every single shot. This is where we
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Speaker 1: catch the best who didn't know his face is beyond
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Speaker 1: the fence post of the door. This is where we
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Speaker 1: catch the best pictures of the person who dropped Jennifer's
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Speaker 1: car and walked away. It was just a side profile
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Speaker 1: with pretty much half through face, just blocked. The luckiest
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Speaker 1: person of interest ever. Are you certain this is a man?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry, it's a man. I mean it
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Speaker 1: looks like a male. That was probably one of the
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Speaker 1: most perplexing and frustrating parts of the investigation. I mean
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Speaker 1: contact myself with enhancement experts, and that was taken immediately
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Speaker 1: to them to be examined. That film, by the way,
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Speaker 1: was enhanced by NASA. Wow, enhanced by NASA. You're hearing
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Speaker 1: our friends Greta Ancestern the mysterious disappearance of Jennifer Kessy
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Speaker 1: talk about the luckiest person, the luckiest purp in the world.
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Speaker 1: Man to Joyce Kessie, I know you've reviewed that video
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Speaker 1: over and over and over the face of the person
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Speaker 1: obscured obscured by a fence line in a poll, but
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Speaker 1: what can you tell from it? My initial reaction was
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Speaker 1: it was like a teenager because he looked lanky, and
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Speaker 1: it does look like a mail to me, long arms,
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Speaker 1: big feet, typical of like a teenager during a growth spurt.
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Speaker 1: And it sickens me to this day that this person
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Speaker 1: actually walked. Their gait stride was such that their face
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Speaker 1: is obscured. But like Drew said, I am a strong
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Speaker 1: believer if you know this person, if this was a neighbor,
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Speaker 1: a friend, a coworker, you do not need to see
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Speaker 1: their face to be able to identify who this is.
23:27
Speaker 1: And that's the most frustrating and heart wrenching of this situation.
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Speaker 1: This is the only real piece of video that we
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Speaker 1: have and the luckiest Cretan in the world. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's amazing to me. Ray Kaputo with me lead news
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Speaker 1: anchor for Orlandos and Morning News and ninety six point
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Speaker 1: five w d BO. I know you've seen this video.
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Speaker 1: Describe for me that fence line in that poll well,
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Speaker 1: Ben f line, it's you know, the poles are just
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Speaker 1: positioned like you normally would see them on a fence.
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Speaker 1: I think it's just really bad coincidence in the timing
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Speaker 1: of the camera. But every step this person takes in
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Speaker 1: that camera, I believe, which snaps a shot every three seconds,
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Speaker 1: every shot on that fence line happens to be right
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Speaker 1: in front of the big pole. Now again, you've seen
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Speaker 1: fences and every several fence posters a larger pole kind
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Speaker 1: of anchoring the fence in it. It's just extremely bad lucky.
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Speaker 1: One of my colleagues, Shannon Butler, who had reported on
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Speaker 1: the story, was the one who had said that this
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Speaker 1: is the luckiest you know, suspect of right. I'm not
24:37
Speaker 1: sure if lucky is the best way to describe, but
24:39
Speaker 1: but certainly serendipitous that they didn't have their face capture.
24:43
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just really awful coincidence. And you know,
24:45
Speaker 1: another heartbreaking twist in this story, you know, Ray Computer,
24:49
Speaker 1: I just keep thinking and thinking about the person walking
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Speaker 1: along that fence. Joyce Cassie, you describe them as maybe
24:57
Speaker 1: a teenager. Why you know, I'm a nurse and I've
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Speaker 1: been a nurse for forty one years, and that was
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Speaker 1: just my instinct. When the detective showed us the still photos,
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Speaker 1: they asked what struck you? And my immediate answer was
25:17
Speaker 1: a gawky, lanky teenager. Look at how big the feet are,
25:20
Speaker 1: look at how long the arms are. And I don't
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Speaker 1: know why, but that just jumped out. It's like when
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Speaker 1: we got the phone call, my instinct wasn't that jen
25:32
Speaker 1: was in an accident. It was like, oh my god,
25:34
Speaker 1: we have to find her. And I don't know mother's intuition,
25:42
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, Nancy. This is just
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Speaker 1: the most heart wrenching fourteen years that I would ever
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Speaker 1: have imagined to be living. And my heart is just
25:58
Speaker 1: so broken. And we have to find Jennifer. We have to.
26:04
Speaker 1: We have no alternative but to find her. Bethany, I
26:08
Speaker 1: just you know, when I'm listening to them speak, I
26:15
Speaker 1: just play back a million things in my mind about
26:19
Speaker 1: my twins, John David and Lucy, and it's just breaking
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Speaker 1: my heart that here they are trying so hard and
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Speaker 1: it seems like everybody is against them. The police haven't
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Speaker 1: cooperated with them. I don't understand it. They can't get
26:37
Speaker 1: the video of the perp leaving the car magnified enough,
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Speaker 1: enhanced enough, and they're just struggling. They're struggling so hard
26:49
Speaker 1: and they've never given up that. Just when she says
26:54
Speaker 1: mother's intuition, I gotta tell you something, Bethany, I don't
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Speaker 1: think there's anything more powerful than a mother's intuition. You
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Speaker 1: just know things like here's an example this morning. For
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Speaker 1: some reason, John David, we don't drink soda, but for
27:12
Speaker 1: some reason, he saved a bunch of Leader bottles that
27:17
Speaker 1: if he found at school, and he put him in
27:19
Speaker 1: the car and they're in the front seat, and he
27:22
Speaker 1: got in the front seat this morning and he kicked
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Speaker 1: one and just one time. That's so unlike him. He
27:30
Speaker 1: would never kick I mean, he's a gentle giant. Now. Lucy,
27:33
Speaker 1: she'll definitely kick something, but not him. And I looked
27:36
Speaker 1: over at his face. I'm like, honey, what's wrong. I mean,
27:40
Speaker 1: just that one kick and it was like three inches
27:45
Speaker 1: because we were sitting in the car and I knew
27:47
Speaker 1: something was wrong, and in fact it was when she
27:51
Speaker 1: says that she knows something, I guarantee you she's right, Bethany.
27:57
Speaker 1: You all can laugh if you want out there in
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Speaker 1: the scientific world, Joe Scott Morgan. But I know that
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Speaker 1: she's right, Pathany, Nancy, I know she's right to Mothers
28:09
Speaker 1: do have intuition. We have all kinds of intuition. We
28:13
Speaker 1: know when our loved ones are okay and when they're not.
28:17
Speaker 1: We kind of track with them psychologically, you know. I
28:21
Speaker 1: was thinking, not only is there the parents intuition that
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Speaker 1: something really horrible happened, but there's this very traumatic visual
28:31
Speaker 1: queue that the parents have to see. It just it
28:35
Speaker 1: was horrifying for me to hear that, and the parents
28:39
Speaker 1: have to reimagine what might have happened to their daughter
28:42
Speaker 1: and hear they're in a community of people who are
28:45
Speaker 1: not pulling together in a loving way to help the family.
28:50
Speaker 1: The fact that taking them so long because the police files,
28:54
Speaker 1: this family has been victimized again and again in an
28:58
Speaker 1: agonizing way over the last fourteen years. I had an
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Speaker 1: experience a few years ago where my stepdaughter was mad
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Speaker 1: at me and wouldn't talk to me for a month,
29:06
Speaker 1: and I died a thousand deaths every day wondering where
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Speaker 1: she was and what she was doing and would she
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Speaker 1: call me. And it was a very, very minor spat
29:16
Speaker 1: we had and everything worked out. I cannot imagine fourteen
29:21
Speaker 1: years of not knowing where your daughter is. You know,
29:23
Speaker 1: how does one survive? How does one go through their day?
29:26
Speaker 1: And I think that to encourage the listeners to your
29:29
Speaker 1: listeners to go to the Facebook site that the Cassie's
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Speaker 1: have set up to kind of see how they can cooperate.
29:36
Speaker 1: One more quick thing, Nancy, the fact that this is
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Speaker 1: a teenager potentially on the surveillance tape, that tells me
29:43
Speaker 1: a lot. It tells me that there may be a
29:46
Speaker 1: lot of people who know who the perpetrator is. Not
29:49
Speaker 1: only are the Kessie's intuitive about their daughter, but whoever
29:54
Speaker 1: is listening to this show or in this community who
29:57
Speaker 1: may be a family member of that teenager. They're intuitive too.
30:02
Speaker 1: You know when your son's done something wrong, you know
30:04
Speaker 1: when there's something off about the family member. And I
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Speaker 1: hope that those people will have the courage to come forward. Joye.
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Speaker 1: Do you ever feel that Jennifer is trying to tell
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Speaker 1: you something? Oh? I do, I do I Jennifer. It's
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Speaker 1: the strangest thing, but I feel Jennifer's presence, And whenever
30:28
Speaker 1: I feel her presence, she's always on my left side.
30:35
Speaker 1: And I find that really interesting that it's always my
30:41
Speaker 1: left side and that's closest to your heart. And I just,
30:49
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel her. I don't. On any given day,
30:55
Speaker 1: I may change my mind, but I am pretty consistent
30:58
Speaker 1: in thinking that Jennifer is out there and she is
31:02
Speaker 1: still needing to be rescued there. I do not feel
31:07
Speaker 1: strongly that Jennifer is dead. I am not stupid, I'm
31:11
Speaker 1: not delusional. I know what the statistics are, but I
31:17
Speaker 1: also know that there are more and more people being
31:20
Speaker 1: found alive than ever that have been held in captivity
31:24
Speaker 1: for years. So my hope and what keeps me getting
31:28
Speaker 1: out of bed and putting one foot in front of
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Speaker 1: the next, is the hope that one day we will
31:34
Speaker 1: be reunited. And what a joyous, joyous moment that would
31:40
Speaker 1: be with me. Drew and Joyce, Kessie, please help us
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Speaker 1: find Jennifer. Nine four one two, zero and one for
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Speaker 1: zero zero nine. The search goes on Nancy Grace killers,
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Speaker 1: amongst us signing off goodbye