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  Speaker 1: as the episode is titled, you know, trouble in Paradise
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  Speaker 1: question mark what to make of the Buffalo Bills three
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  Speaker 1: and two start, I wanted to pivot a little bit
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  Speaker 1: and just kind of analyze where the Bills are after
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  Speaker 1: an interesting five games. I think a lot of fans
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  Speaker 1: were really into praising the Bills as you know, a
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  Speaker 1: juggernaut after their three and ozho start, and then we've
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  Speaker 1: seen a significant swing of the pendulum in the other
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  Speaker 1: direction after to disappointing losses in weeks four and five
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  Speaker 1: to the Baltimore Ravens and Houston Texans. So this episode
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  Speaker 1: is going to take a look at where the Bills
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  Speaker 1: currently sit What to make of this three and two start?
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  Speaker 1: Where the fires are, the difference between what a fire
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  Speaker 1: is versus what smoke? Looking at both sides of the ball,
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  Speaker 1: looking at where the Bills need to course correct some
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  Speaker 1: things where they need to pivot, and really to kind
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  Speaker 1: of move forward from here and correct some of the
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  Speaker 1: issues that we're seeing. But what's the difference between an
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  Speaker 1: actual issue versus fodder and all that kind of stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and to do that in this episode. I am very
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  Speaker 1: friend of the show and friend of mine in real life.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the show, Thanks man. Happy to be here
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  Speaker 3: and also happy to be here on this milestone of occasions.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, it's pretty cool and I actually had no
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  Speaker 1: literally forgot about it again until right when we went live.
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  Speaker 1: My wife mentioned it to me yesterday or this morning,
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  Speaker 1: and it's so yeah. It is really like kind of
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  Speaker 1: especially with how this week went out you have time. No,
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  Speaker 1: So this is super awesome. I wouldn't want to have
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  Speaker 1: anyone else join me for the two fiftieth.
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  Speaker 3: So pumped.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being here, and yeah for taking the time.
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  Speaker 1: You are crushing it with the day job work that
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  Speaker 1: I think everybody kind of knows that you do now,
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  Speaker 1: but you are crushing it and yeah, and you've yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you've always done great work and whatever you've done anything
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  Speaker 1: football related. So I'm very happy for the success that
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  Speaker 1: you are having out in front of the camera and
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  Speaker 1: behind the scenes. And tonight I'm gonna bring a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of that world into this conversation. Is kind of
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  Speaker 1: like I kind of hit everybody with that intro. You
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  Speaker 1: obviously know why you're here and what we're going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about, but just high level before we really dive
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  Speaker 1: into the details and all the meat and potatoes of everything.
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  Speaker 1: Where's your head at with where the bills are at
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  Speaker 1: at three and two? Right now? Did you get how
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  Speaker 1: much of the high highs were you feeling after the
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  Speaker 1: three and oh? How much of the low lows? Are
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  Speaker 1: you feeling after the last two losses? Just where's your
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  Speaker 1: head at? What are your thoughts as the Bills sit here,
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  Speaker 1: you know, after a nice encouraging start and then kind
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  Speaker 1: of a disappointing previous two games.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll be honest, Like, I feel like a lot
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  Speaker 3: of this fan base probably knows me is the more
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  Speaker 3: realistic and pragmatic of Bills fans. And I try to
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  Speaker 3: stay level headed.
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  Speaker 1: But it's why I love you.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm not gonna lie to you. I drank the
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  Speaker 3: kool aid this year. Like I definitely got a little
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  Speaker 3: in over my head after those first three games, and
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  Speaker 3: I was like, wow, the changes they made this offseason,
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  Speaker 3: like really leaned into everything that they were believing and
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  Speaker 3: trimming the fat of things they felt they didn't need
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  Speaker 3: to spend on and where they could get cheaper and
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  Speaker 3: their coaching could lift those elements of the team that
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  Speaker 3: are cheaper or shift to different skill sets and other
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  Speaker 3: skill sets will help compliment those skills set, Like all
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  Speaker 3: of it just mixing and matching perfectly. After three games,
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  Speaker 3: I drank the kool aid. I was totally in on it,
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, Wow, this team really practiced what
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  Speaker 3: they preached all off season this idea of everyone's gonna
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  Speaker 3: eat next man up on defense, like everything just working out,
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  Speaker 3: and yeah, we came back to earth. We got a
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  Speaker 3: little bit humbled, and I think now it's just time
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  Speaker 3: for me and the fan base to just recalibrate and
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  Speaker 3: remember where expectations were in the preseason and getting to
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  Speaker 3: this point at three and two five weeks in. Like, sure,
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  Speaker 3: it's not ideal, especially knowing that you were three and zero,
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  Speaker 3: but like three and two is really not a bad position,
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  Speaker 3: especially when you took when you take the grand scheme
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  Speaker 3: of things and the big picture, like look at the
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  Speaker 3: AFC East right now, like the Bills are in a
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  Speaker 3: very good position in the AFC East and maybe to
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  Speaker 3: the postseason is winning your division. If you win your division,
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  Speaker 3: you have a better path through the postseason. And you
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  Speaker 3: got to get to the dance to win the dance.
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  Speaker 3: So that's always kind of been my mantras. It's been
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  Speaker 3: so tough to make the dance in my life as
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  Speaker 3: a Bills fan. So you know, just got to get there,
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  Speaker 3: and got to get there in a good seed and
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  Speaker 3: you give yourself a good opportunity to win. So all
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  Speaker 3: of these moments. All of these losses are just teachable moments.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean, it sucks to lose the two games
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  Speaker 3: that we lost, especially the way that it happened. It's
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  Speaker 3: definitely very humbling. But I like to think the team
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  Speaker 3: got better because of it.
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  Speaker 1: That's fair. And you know it, I'm annoyed with the
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  Speaker 1: losses from for the most part of thinking like those
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  Speaker 1: are teams you're gonna be battling with for seeding coming
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  Speaker 1: down the stretch. And now you've so you have two
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  Speaker 1: AFC losses. You also have the Tigers teams.
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  Speaker 3: The Bengals not helping us out in overtime against the Ravens.
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  Speaker 1: See. You know what, though, I hate Cincinnati, So I
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  Speaker 1: was cool with it, like whatever happened probably yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And I took it. I was like, that's fine. It's
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  Speaker 1: funny that mindset of like I still am very much okay.
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  Speaker 1: You know, in order to win the dance, you got
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  Speaker 1: to get to the dance. But then also like when
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  Speaker 1: is that point of enough's enough where you get to
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  Speaker 1: like the Andy Reid at Philadelphia level or the already
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  Speaker 1: shot at Himer level, everywhere he went where it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: we're consistently winning the division. We're consistently like a final
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  Speaker 1: four team of the conference. We like, you just can't
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  Speaker 1: get over that hump, and kind of balancing the expectation
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  Speaker 1: and wanting to get a championship with like it's hard
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  Speaker 1: to punch a ticket every year. There's not a lot
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  Speaker 1: of teams to punch a ticket, let alone win their
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  Speaker 1: division consistently every year. And I think that expectation piece
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  Speaker 1: all around, the expectation for what this team is and
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  Speaker 1: should be in general, but then especially coming into this year,
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  Speaker 1: I think the three and oh start and the way
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  Speaker 1: that it happened kind of made everybody forget about. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the last time you were here, we were talking about
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  Speaker 1: it being a revamp. We weren't saying rebuild, but we
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  Speaker 1: were saying revamp. But we talked about the variables this
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  Speaker 1: year and the moving pieces in parts with players, the
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  Speaker 1: new schematics, all the new you know, the new pieces
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  Speaker 1: off the field from a coaching staff perspective, let alone
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  Speaker 1: on the field, and how those pieces kind of had
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  Speaker 1: to align. And I think that three and oh start,
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  Speaker 1: you know, as you alluded to a bit, as we
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  Speaker 1: talked about the last time you were here, kind of
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  Speaker 1: warped everybody and just thinking like that as to the moon. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and it's just funny to see where we are now,
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  Speaker 1: where like two weeks ago, I feel like Joe Brady
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  Speaker 1: was being worshiped as a golden god, and now there's
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  Speaker 1: people calling for his head. There were people his head
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  Speaker 1: last because the trick plays.
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  Speaker 3: One bad trick play and the guy needs to be fired.
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  Speaker 1: So it's intense to kind of see that. And I guess, so,
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  Speaker 1: sitting here after those two losses, if there's something you
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  Speaker 1: are pointing to right now and again this is part
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  Speaker 1: of one of your points later, feel free to be like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna kind of keep it in the holster. But
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  Speaker 1: if there what has stood out to you the most
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  Speaker 1: with these two losses. Is it one thing in particular?
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  Speaker 1: Is it something high level? Is it something super niche
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  Speaker 1: or detailed? Is it a coaching piece? Is it a
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  Speaker 1: player piece or a position grouping piece? Like, is there
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  Speaker 1: one thing where you're sitting here after these two losses
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  Speaker 1: and like the first thing that comes to your mind
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  Speaker 1: and you're like, that's the thing on the dartboard that
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  Speaker 1: I'm pinning or pointing to.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it kind of goes with one of my
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  Speaker 3: three things that I want to point out, but it's
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  Speaker 3: such a broad thing I don't really mind about, you know,
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  Speaker 3: showing it early. Is is really this idea that the
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  Speaker 3: Bills really shifted their identity offensively this year, And it's
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  Speaker 3: so evident through the first five games and even the
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  Speaker 3: way that we won the first three games. This team
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  Speaker 3: isn't built as well to play from behind as we've
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  Speaker 3: known it to be. And I think it's really evident.
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  Speaker 3: And I know we came back in Week one against
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  Speaker 3: the Cardinals, but that's a team that has shown a
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  Speaker 3: lot of warts in the secondary. Like if there's a
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  Speaker 3: team you can play from behind against and that's not
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  Speaker 3: your strong suit, it's it's the Commanders, It's the Cardinals.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Like there are teams where you can do
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  Speaker 3: that and you can get away with that, but there
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  Speaker 3: are other was it's it's just not gonna be the same.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean it makes sense that the Ravens would
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  Speaker 3: be one of them, not even from a defensive perspective,
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  Speaker 3: but they're gonna they're gonna take the air out of
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  Speaker 3: the ball and make that game short. So I think
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  Speaker 3: the biggest thing for me and this trickles down to
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  Speaker 3: my other points that I want to get to, but overarching,
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  Speaker 3: and this is why I wanted to start with it
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  Speaker 3: is just the idea of this offensive identity change and
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  Speaker 3: what it means, what we have to get used to
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  Speaker 3: as fans, and being more comfortable and feeling like in
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  Speaker 3: the driver's seat in the moments where you're up or
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  Speaker 3: you're only down one score, or like you're taking the
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  Speaker 3: air out of the football early in games, or how
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  Speaker 3: important an early start in a hot start is in
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  Speaker 3: games and getting in positive games script early, like all
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  Speaker 3: of these things, it's so important to this current identity
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  Speaker 3: of team and the way Joe Brady is operating. Like
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  Speaker 3: we see the depth of target changing, we see all
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  Speaker 3: sorts of things changing with how this offense wants to
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  Speaker 3: attack defenses and honestly how they're trying to manipulate defenses.
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  Speaker 3: So I think, really just reshaping and recalibrating my mind,
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  Speaker 3: that's like the biggest point to this. It's not necessarily oh,
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  Speaker 3: hit the panic button, hit the panic button. This team
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  Speaker 3: can't play from behind. It's more like, no, we didn't
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  Speaker 3: want to play from behind. That was never the thought
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  Speaker 3: that this team is ever going to be behind. Were
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  Speaker 3: playing in a world where we want to be ahead.
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  Speaker 3: We want to control the possession game, and we want
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  Speaker 3: to be efficient with our possessions. We're going to take
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  Speaker 3: care of the football. At worse, we're going to get
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  Speaker 3: three points on every possession. And that's that's been a
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  Speaker 3: goal of this team and it's been somewhat good. But
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  Speaker 3: like there's some situational moments like third downs that have
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  Speaker 3: taken a step back. It's little things like that that
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  Speaker 3: have taken a step back. But that's probably like my
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  Speaker 3: biggest thing is just recalibrating and reshaping my expectations for
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  Speaker 3: the offense specifically.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's very well said one of the pieces
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  Speaker 1: that you mentioned. If I'm answering this question, The biggest
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  Speaker 1: thing for me is just been how important game script
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  Speaker 1: is to this team. And I knew it would be
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  Speaker 1: again you you run the show multiple times throughout the offseason.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about the direction they were going, and I
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  Speaker 1: spent so much of this offseason breaking down film of
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  Speaker 1: the Texans and Lions and Rams and all these teams
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  Speaker 1: that go with bigger eleven or or or twelve personnel
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  Speaker 1: and man yeap reduce what oberational with the play action
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  Speaker 1: game and all of this, and talking so much about
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  Speaker 1: how important the scheme and schematics were going to be
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  Speaker 1: for this offense to succeed, because they didn't have a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of you know, dudes that could go get you
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  Speaker 1: a bucket on the offensive side of the ball. It
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  Speaker 1: was you got to scheme these guys open. Everybody's got
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  Speaker 1: to be on point with their landmark and their timing
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  Speaker 1: and the rhythm and all of it. And I thought
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  Speaker 1: going into the Baltimore week that they presented a good
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  Speaker 1: foil for the Bills, especially with how the Bills are
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  Speaker 1: banged like on both sides of the ball. If you're
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  Speaker 1: looking at the Ravens offense, the Ravens offense is a
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  Speaker 1: good foil for a multitude of teams. But then the
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  Speaker 1: Bills defense, they're playing with all backups at the second level.
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  Speaker 1: The Ravens can go twelve and thirteen personnel easily. They
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  Speaker 1: also have pat Riccard depending on if you're qualifying him
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  Speaker 1: as a full back or at tight end, whatever have you.
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  Speaker 1: And then they have Lamar and they have Derrick Henry
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  Speaker 1: and just a unicorn brand of offense. Not to mention
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  Speaker 1: the motion and misdirection and everything that we saw, like
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  Speaker 1: all of it worked. They hit on also, they took
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  Speaker 1: advantage of the Bills upfield nature on the defensive line,
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  Speaker 1: fast following nature at the linebacker spot. Crushed it. But
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  Speaker 1: I kind of thought they could do that same thing
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  Speaker 1: on the other side of the ball. Like the Bills
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  Speaker 1: offense is built, we can go like bigger eleven personnel
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  Speaker 1: and run and you know, pass the ball condensed or spread,
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  Speaker 1: and we could do the same thing with our tight
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  Speaker 1: ends who can match us. And the Ravens are like Weekend.
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  Speaker 1: We've got like Kyle Hamilton and Rokwan Smith and Trenton Simpson,
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  Speaker 1: and we can go three safeties if we want. We've
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  Speaker 1: also got like a bunch of hybrid defensive linemen and
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  Speaker 1: we can like game you up in a bunch of ways.
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  Speaker 1: So that game didn't like it was a bad loss,
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  Speaker 1: but that game and even some of the Texans game
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  Speaker 1: as well, even though the Bills made it close, those
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  Speaker 1: really put into perspective for me how important the game
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  Speaker 1: script is from a negative perspective. And then going back
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  Speaker 1: to the Jacksonville game in Miami game tying in how
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  Speaker 1: important the game script was positively in those games and
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  Speaker 1: just if the Bills get into a spot where they
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  Speaker 1: have to live in a you know, nome passing situation
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  Speaker 1: or a true drop back world, that's not a world
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  Speaker 1: they want to live in. We're seeing something similar to
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  Speaker 1: kind of what's happened to the Saints the past couple
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  Speaker 1: of weeks. The first couple of weeks, the Saints are
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  Speaker 1: basically running old school offense. It's twenty one personnel I formation,
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  Speaker 1: they're running the ball, they're going to play action, they're
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  Speaker 1: taking more shots down field than the Bills are, and
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  Speaker 1: they're connecting on them. But then all of a sudden,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: if they get behind the eight ball or they get
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: in a known passing situations. Then granted, their own line
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: got banged up the last couple weeks, but it gets
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: either way.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the same thing, like you have favorable points
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: where you want to attack defenses schematically and from a
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: play script game script perspective, and one second gets flipped
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: on its head. You're you're no longer at a competitive advantage.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And so much of this offense success is tied
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: to being able to run the football play action, run
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: the football play action, and then taking that same personnel
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: grouping that you just ran the ball with or when
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: condensed and just going spread next time and going empty
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: or going two by two out of gun and attacking
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: and keeping defenses on the back foot, and that game
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: script piece really like hit. Yeah, when the Bills are
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: out of that, it's scary and it that's like the
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: overarching thing. It ties into some of my specific points
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: and I know something as which we'll get into, but yeah,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: like just how important game script is. It makes me
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: think back to the Colts' defenses for a lot of
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: the years, in the Peyton Manning years, their defense wasn't
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: really good. The year they won the Super Bowl, they
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: had the defensive player of the year Bob Sanders, who
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: just had a crazy good year. But yeah, Gary Brackett
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: was like an okay linebacker. But their whole team was
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: built around Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis at edge. And
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: their design was like, hey, we have a great, high
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: powered offense. We're gonna try and get up like twenty
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: one to nothing.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: And then they're gonna have to pass all games and
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: and Mathis are just gonna get that funt like that.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: That's the thing that's why football is chess because you're
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: anticipating pushing a game script on your opponent and building
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: your team to live positively in that game script. And
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: if you're not cultivating that competitor of advantage for yourself,
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: you're just trying to build like a like a spread
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: yourself too thin roster where you're like, oh, I'm just
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: gonna be solid everywhere and then we'll be able to
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: adapt to whatever happens. But then you have no one
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: that can win their matchups because everyone's just really solid
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: across the board. If you're manipulating things to try and
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: create plus matchups and specific game script moments that suit you, you're
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: ahead of the game. That's why it's the whole Moniker
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: o chest not checkers. Yeah.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Man, that's one of my favorite Lanchrom training Day too,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: great movie. Yeah, it's just how important that script is,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: how hard it's hit them. We've really seen it, and
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: then like I feel like that's the umbrella and then
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: all the or maybe like that's the wheel and then
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: all the little spokes that are attached to it. Yeah,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: some of the things we'll get into tonight, or some
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: of the specific things that the offense hasn't been able
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: to hit on I also think there's some defensive pieces.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: I have a couple of defensiveieces I want to talk
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: about too, because I don't nice fair balance it out. Yeah,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: it's just a weird. It's just a weird spot for
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: them to be in, and I I don't take like
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: joining it, but part of me like laughs at it,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: and even even the me naming this episode like trouble
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: in Paradise, right, I just I think it's so funny
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: how everybody just those first three we'll just use the offense.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: For example, Joe Brady was like a golden god the
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: first three weeks, especially after that Jacksonville game, like he's
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: hitting on everything. Everybody's making Ken Dorsey jokes. People are
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: talking about Alan for MVP. The conversation is already like
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: how much money do we have to pay Joe Brady
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: to get him to stay? Or who's going to be
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: the next do see? Because he's definitely gonna get a
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: head coaching job. And then within a week people want
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: this man's head on a pike. And then within another
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: week it's even worse, Like it's just yeah, getting like intense,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: and it makes me like I literally I went back
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: and forth with me titling this episode Trouble in Paradise
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: or Paradise Lost. But I couldn't make Paradise Lost fit
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: nice on the graphic, so I went with this, and yeah,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: it's just made me. It's the only thing that's kind
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: of like giving me a chuckle besides being disappointed in
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: the losses as Yeah, as they kind of falter a
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: little bit, but we're going to dive into those pieces.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I want to go back and pull this comment from
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Roy because I really appreciate it. Roy says, I see
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: the tree as the Halloween vibe. Absolutely got some black
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: garland with some little spooky white ghosts that are attached
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: to it, and then we've got some jack O lantern
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: lights that are also wrapped around there. You can also
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: see a little jack O lantern up there, a little
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: pumpkin down there. Also got an adorable little cat with
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: a pumpkin and a purple witch hat up there, So
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: we're rocking the Halloween vibes. I might change the garland
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: as we get closer to Halloween, but I'm really digging it. Roy,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: you always noticed the tree, and I greatly appreciate for that,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: and my wife will also greatly appreciate that because of
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: you know her, she's kind of the producer behind the
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: scenes and helping me to keep up with the tree
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: and the decor. Kendall anything else high level on your
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: mind before we kind of dive right into it.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Nah, No, that's the main thing.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Beautiful, baby, beautiful. I'm locked up with you, all right.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: So for those of you playing at home as we
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: dive into this, everybody watching and listening, whatever have you
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: playing at home? Questions, thoughts, comments, concerns, feel free to
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: put them up into the chat. If you have specific
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: things that you are looking at right now, put it
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: into the chat. If there is something you think is
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: in a big deal, if you think something is a
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: huge priority, is a huge problem, let us know what
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: you think the fires are that need to be put out,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: how you think they should be fixed, or if something
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: is being talked about as a fire but it's really
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: just smoke. Whatever you got questions, thoughts, comments, concerns, put
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: it up into the chat. If you think our answers
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: are stupid, feel free to comment how stupid and dumb
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: we are. As always, super chats get priority one because
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: I respect the monetary donation. Two. The color distracts me
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: from my notes and pulls me forward, but doesn't have
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: to be super chat free to get your comment pulled up. Kendall,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: you are the guests, feel free to oh hold on,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I got answer this too. Roy says, how long does
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: she make you wait to put up the big tree?
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: So the big tree that goes over there, and then
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: we take the little one and put it there. That
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: happens in November, because then we just go full like
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: middle ish November. Then we go full Christmas with the
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: little guy over there and the big one over there.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: It goes up at the same time as like the
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Christmas tree in the living room. And then her and
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I fight to try and keep the Christmas tree in
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: the living room up for as long as we can.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I've had it up until the end of March before.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I was super proud for that one. But usually it
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: goes down like end of January sometime. Oh yeah, God,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I'm a fan.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: I'm a fan of it all right, girl friend would
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: get along.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: That's I just think it should be up all year round.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: That's the reason this tree is here, because we didn't
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: do in the living room. But that was my idea.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I was like, you keep you keep the tree up
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: all year round, and you just change the lights in
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Garland every month. In February, bunch of red and hearts.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: It's a Valentine's Day tree. In March, a bunch of
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: green and shamrocks. It's a Saint patage.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: It's a vessel for decorations all year.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Easter it's a bunch of pastel and egg ornaments. It's
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: an Easter tree, and you just keep rolling.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: I don't mind the mini one, the big one.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: That's well, that's what she did that. I lost the
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: fight with that, and she's like, I'll get you the
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: little one to put in the show. And I was like, okay,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: compromise and that's what that's what that's what marriage is.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: That's what marriage. That's that's love in a nutshell. If
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: you need one example, all right, Kendall, floor is yours.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Feel free to start with whatever, wherever, whatever you got
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: in terms of what to make of this Buffalo bills
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: three and to start a fire, you want to talk
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: about something that you think is smoke, where your eyes
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: are focused, whatever you get.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think I really want to start with
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: the passing game. And like you said, this was a
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: really good metaphors the idea that the game script thing
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: is just the start, and it kind of trickles down
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: into all of these other things. I want to go
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: into the passing game specifically and what has happened with
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: this offense on specific target location. So I already told
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: you about this, but I wanted to look into how
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: the bills are success wise on targets that are outside
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: the numbers left or right doesn't matter versus inside the numbers,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: just holistically how it looks. And what I came away
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: with was they're pretty inefficient on both sides of the numbers,
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: but it is markedly better inside the numbers and specifically
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: with success rate. So their success rate increases twenty one
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: percent when they're passing inside the numbers versus outside the numbers,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: and their rank jumps nineteen spots, so it's tenth.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Also, real quick, I'm gonna pull that up on the could.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: You got the slide right there?
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: There you go, so yeah, you can see it. It
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: jumps from twenty ninth to tenth in success rate. And
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: the reason I like success rate for this specifically is
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: because I feel like these two cpoe and success rate
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: is really perfect for the way Joe Brady's trying to
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: orchestrate this offense, and everything is just really about like
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: matriculating down the field and being ahead of schedule. And
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: that's like everything's with success rate. Success rate is about
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: on first down, are you getting forty percent? On second
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: down are you getting fifty percent? And then on third
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: down and fourth down are you converting? So like that
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: is specifically a stat that tells you if you're ahead
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: of schedule or if you're behind schedule. So I really
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: like to show this disparity between what's going on with
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: the Bills passing game when they're targeting their receivers outside
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: of the numbers versus inside the numbers, and you can
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: see there's just a massive difference. And we know who
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: the Bills are typically targeting inside the numbers. It's Kalilshakir
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: and it's Dalton Kincaid, and those are obviously their top
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: two pass catching weapons, and maybe even the handful of
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: James Cook catches, those are inside the numbers for the
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: most part. So all of that stuff is keeping the
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: chains moving, it's keeping them ahead of schedule, and obviously
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: the same it's inversely the conversation when we're talking outside
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: the numbers. But then even when you go to CPOE.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: The reason I wanted to talk about CPOE is because
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: it's it's completion percentage over expectation. That's just the acronyms
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: CPOE and not just completion percentage. I wanted to use
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: over expectation because not every completion is created equal and
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: based on what likelihood that catch has to be made.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: The bills are still hill under the expectation no matter
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: where it is, but you can still see it's slightly
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: better when we're talking inside the numbers versus outside the numbers.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: So that's kind of the main thing, just in terms
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: of I shouldn't say the main thing, but like the
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: thing my brain clung onto when I was like, Oh,
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: what's going on with this bill's offense? Something I kind
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: of want to look into. And I was like, oh,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: this is interesting. They're staying more on schedule when this happens,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: and then I wanted to dive deeper into it, and
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: then I decided to look at by uh, sorry, by
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: target alignment. So that's pretty much same idea, but it's
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: not where they're targeted when the ball is at their hands.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: It's where they started where they aligned pre snap, so
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: very similar situation. Success rate is like almost the same numbers,
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: but you can see the rank disparity is crazy there.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: And then even the passer rating. Most of that is
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: obviously Josh Allen with the hand, like what three attempts
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: from Trubisky, that's fair, yeah, but uh with passer rating.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: So much of this is influenced by Khalil Shaki only
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: having one ball. I don't even want to call it dropped.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: But he hasn't caught one of his targets this season.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Oh he was, Yeah, I tweeted something on going into
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: the Baltimore game, like his numbers in the slot, I
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: woul think it was like ten targets. His EPA was
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: like over one.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Like he he hadn't not caught a pass that was
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: targeted to him in so long, like dating back to
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: last season at some.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Point, dating back to like Boise State.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: So like all of these, like the completion percentage stuff,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: and then even the yards per attempt gets inflated because
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: when you're not dropping an attempt, that inflates those numbers.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Like Khalier Sekir means so much to this offense, and
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: we didn't even really know it until this past week
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: not having him and just showing how much he keeps
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: this offense on schedule and how reliable he is to
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Josh Allen. So I think this is a big, long
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: winded way me showing you guys the numbers, the disparities
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: between wide slot outside, the numbers in side, the numbers
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: for these high level metrics. It's really just a long
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: way of saying, like, we have to establish something on
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: the perimeter. It has to be established at some point
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: this year. It doesn't need to be a strength, it
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: just needs to be established. Because that's kind of even
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: going back to the first point that we were talking about.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: This team identified its identify its identity early. It realized
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: what it wanted to be and where it's going to
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: be to be efficient and win big, and it wasn't
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: going to be winning on the perimeter. But there needs
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: to be a semblance of that to work to threaten
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: defenses and make sure that they respect those things so
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: they don't clamp down and collapse on the middle of
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: the field, collapse on the slot. Like all of these
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: parts of the offense, We're going to see defenses start
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: to allocate things to the middle of the field or
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: specific alignments, specific players, like all of that stuff. It's
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: going to change because of who's getting the attention from
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: the Bills offense and who isn't getting the opportunities.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: And I so I love this for multitude reasons. One
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: just I'm still like the success rate is a crazy difference,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Like you go from thirty five point four percent out
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: wide which is thirty first of fifty two point nine
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: percent from the slot, which is eighth, Like that's that's crazy.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Also it's still I mean it will see what would
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: have happened, or we would have seen what have happened.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I'm really still really disappointed we didn't get a full
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: game of like both these offenses in Houston at their
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: full tilt, Like I wanted to see full tilt Nico
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Collins in that offense and Shakir and like the whole group.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: But we just like I feel so robbed of that.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: But I think it's a great point, like with where
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: this offense is operating and where it's not. And I
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: think that also ties into some of the coverage pieces
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: that we're seeing now. You and I talked about it
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: in in text. I know I have it in a
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: slide that I'll be bringing it up with one of
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: my points. This also furthers what we're seeing, right, so
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: the Bills, and I tweeted it earlier like cause it's
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: just so on brand, Like the Bills built this offense
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: to combat defenses in the or an NFL landscape, and
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: like fight two high defenses and take them out of
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: those two high looks yep. And the defenses are like, okay,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: we're gonna go single high, and then the Bills offense
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: is like, oh crap, like what do we do now,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: don't we? Yeah? What can you go back to? Too high? Please?
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Thank you?
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: And because the Bills aren't threatening teams out wide and
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: on the outside, defenses aren't threatened of being beaten vertically
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: or losing in one on one matchups on the outside.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: So they're free to play Cover one, which is man
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: coverage with a post safety. They're free to play Cover three,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: which even though it's a deep third zone, it can
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: still function like one on one coverage and you still
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: have a post safety that also allows you to walk
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: a safety down into the box to one try and
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: stop the Bills run game, which is where everything starts
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: with them, But then two also clog the interior of
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: the field, and you can kind of naturally without even
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: after doing it schematically, you can naturally bracket Dalton, Kincaid
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: and Khalil Shakir and kind of just do it by
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: flooding bodies into the box because you can roll with
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: these coverages where you have a safety down near the
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. And now all of a sudden, this
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: strength that the bills have, you can mitigate it a
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: bit and you force them to go outside and force
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Alan to look outside the numbers, and he's not he
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: doesn't have the horses out there who can separate or win.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: And it becomes this like like snake or dragon chasing
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: its tail type of thing where you're just going round
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: and round, spinning your tires in the mud. And it
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: all stems from like this one issue of where you
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: can or can't get the ball too, especially because of
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: the guys you have that you're running with.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: So I'm curious, I think I have this remembered correctly chronologically,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: But do you remember the dig to Kincaid in the
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: middle of the field. He caught it, I believe in
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: between the hashes running from the left side of the
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: field to the right side of the field is probably
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: like a twenty issue yard Baltimore no against the Texans. Okay, yeah,
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: that was I didn't know late in the game, and
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: it was, in my opinion, the best in rhythm completion
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: of the game. And I mean that's not saying much
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: considering Josh had nine completions, but that came after the
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Coleman touchdown, if I'm not mistaken. So like, there are
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: little things that have to be established for the defense
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: to feel like they need to spread it out and
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: cover the entire width of the field and then it
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: opens up things in between the second and third level,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: which is where we saw that dig to Kinkai get
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: completed and then he had a what ten yard run
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: after the catch. So like, we need things to establish
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: themselves to open up certain parts of this offense because
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: it's not like this offense can't do it. No, But
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: there are certain things that I think Joe Brady is
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: I don't want to even say that he's being stubborn,
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: because I think so far through five games he's actually
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: shown a lot of fluidity and flexibility, but there are
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: parts that I think he needs to tweak back a
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: little bit where it's like, yes, this can be the identity,
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: but don't over push your agenda. There are still things
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: you can dial back a hair and lean back on
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: the twenty twenty three version of the Bills and still
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: balance it a little, a little, but maybe more in
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: favor of what your identity wants to be.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Fair mind. And you know, even again in that game
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: against the Texans, my biggest right, and you and I
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: were texting about it on Sunday, my biggest thing was
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: like the run was working, give me more play action,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: especially on those drives. I started counting. I was at
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I tweeted, and I told you this too, like I
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: was at a party, so I couldn't really like watch it,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: watch it how I normally do. But I started like
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: kind of mentally charting in the second half, and the
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Bills would have these first down runs where they would
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: run for like they would literally run for a first
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: down and get a new set of downs, and then
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: they'd come back and run it again, and it happened
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: like three drives in a row, and I kept being like,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: on that next new first down, play action like.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: I remember, like the Ty Johnson wide zone to the left,
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: And then it was like a ten to twelve yard run, sideline,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: flip it, same play, and it's like, we don't have
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: to just spam the same play like it worked, show
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: the same look, and then play action off that look.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: And I feel it's more beneficial than just banging your
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: head against it until they show you you can stop it,
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: because at some point they will.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: And I feel like he was trying to get into
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: like the Dallas script again of like, hey, we just
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: ran Dart every single plane at worked, Let's do this now.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: And it's like, but not always going to work like that, No.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: And especially with how much this offense needs explosives, like
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: play action is going to be the way to get
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: it because you're not with this wide receiver corps. And
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: again this isn't like, I mean, it's not ideal, but
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: this is expected. Like you're not going spread with this
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: wide receiver group and and just slinging it all over.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: You're not running an air raid like Mike Leach Brennan,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: like Hawaii offense where you're slinging it everywhere, Like that's
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: not how they're built. So you need that play action element.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: You need bootlegs and rollouts and all that stuff, and
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: so your point there ties into like my first one,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: which is just the overall like lack of verticality in
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: the offense and separation deep And I put this tweet
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: out earlier in the week, and I just I still
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: think it's nuts. Josh Allen has eighteen deep passing attempts
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: on the year. Those are quantified as passes of twenty
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: or more air yards, So again, eighteen of those through
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: week five. That is tied for the fourth most his
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: ranking on those passes amongst thirty two qualifying qbs, so
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: he's three of eighteen for a sixteen point seven completion
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: rate that is thirty first out of thirty two. There's
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: two drops in there, one to keyon Coleman against Baltimore
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: up the sideline and the one to two James Cook
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: on the wheel route through the B gap against the jag,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: So there's two drops, so it could have been five
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: of eighteen. Still not great, but wanted to put that
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: in there. He has a negative eleven point four completion
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: rate over expected, which is thirty withth out of thirty two.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: His targets average one point four yards of separation, which
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: is twenty seventh. He has a fifty percent tight window
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: throw percentage that is the sixth highest. Tight window throws
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: are the percentage of passes where the targeted receiver has
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: less than one yard of separation when the pass arrives.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: He has a negative zero point zero five EPA per dropback,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: which is twenty fifth, a negative zero point nine EPA
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: which is twenty six, a fifty three point two passer
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: rating which is twenty eighth, a fifty percent pressure rate
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: which is the ninth highest, and a three point seven
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: to nine seconds time to throw, which is the fifth highest.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: They're not connecting on the deep ball. They're not forcing
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: teams to respect the threat of anything vertical, whether in
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: one on one situations or with two ied safeties over
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: the top. And then that ties into your point of
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: the outside and the inside and the intermediate and the
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: second and third level because everything just starts to get tight,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: and it just starts to get constricted, because they know
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: you're not going you can't really succeed outside, let alone deep.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: We're gonna clog the underneath, We're gonna clog the intermediate.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: This is why we're seeing the coverages we're seeing, i e.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: More Single high coverages because defenses don't fear getting into
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: one on ones with the Bills or getting beat deep.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: And then the Bill's run game is also faltering by
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: extension because you're seeing more dudes in the box. The
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Bill's run game, which was a good run game last
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: year and still can be and still is in large
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: respects this year for running back runs only, they're twenty
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: third in EPA per rush at a negative zero point
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: zero eight. They're twenty first in running back rush success
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: rate and only thirty nine point six percent, And they
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: also have the fourth highest stuff percentage at twenty three
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: point six percent. For those who don't know, stuff percentage
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: is carries which result in zero or fewer yards. Like
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: everything is just starting to get tight, Like each each
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: week is like tighter, tighter and tighter.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Just showing more and more film of why you should collapse.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's and it's that to me is like
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: the biggest issue. And again I don't think you solve
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: it by like you you don't have.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: There's no one thing, there's no one thing to solve it.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: That's why I said something and you said something. This
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: we're trying to achieve the same goal. Like I talked
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: about wide alignment players and outside the numbers and stretching
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: the field horizontally and now you're talking about vertically and
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: eye candy in the backfield like you're talking all of
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: this is to achieve the same goal.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, And I don't see it getting better from like
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: a player standpoint, Like they only have one true vertical
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: speed element in this offense, which is MVS. I know
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: some people might take her to Samuel I personally have
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: never thought that he plays to that four to three
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: times forty speed, And throughout the heavy majority of his career,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: he's never really been like a field stretching vertical element.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: He's really been an underneath like I'll catch a drag
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: route and kind of take it up the sideline, do
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: some stuff with the type of dude that's where you
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: see speed. He's not really a burner, not this real
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: vertical guy. Plus he also has an injury history. Plus
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: he's currently injured right now. We know he's playing through
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: that toe injury. I think that's limiting him. But even
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: if it was just those two, that's kind of it.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: And MVS is very much a one trick pony who's
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: not seen a ton of snaps. So when he's on
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: the field, it's basically like, Okay, this dude's probably gonna
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: go deep. And even within that, you don't have this
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: combination of speed and route running guys who can get
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: you a bucket and win. So the way to generate
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: explosives are going to have to be through the play
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: action game, which works better when you have a good
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: run game. You always have to mention it. Yes, you
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: don't need a good run game to have good play action,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: but it definitely friggin helps, as we say all the time,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: And I think that, like that's such the key piece
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: that I'm worried about, and I don't necessarily know if
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: it will get fixed because with that deep ball, we're
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: seeing so many things fail right, Like there is a
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: lot of separation for Allen's guys deep Alan. When he
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: is getting guys, he's missing them. He had MVS in
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Week one against Arizona on that post against going from
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: left to right, he missed him. He had MATC. Collins
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: on the double move against the Houston Texans, he missed him.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: And then you're getting some drops here and there. So
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: it's a combination of like not getting separation, it's combination
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: of Allen missing some things. You do have some drops.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: And then partially the biggest thing too, you need when
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: you go deep, those routes usually take a little bit
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: longer to develop, so you need to hold up in
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: pass protection, and we're not seeing that. Further and further
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: we go for Josh Allen, the offense even just pressure
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: by week, going from week one through five versus Arizona
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: twenty percent, Miami thirty percent, Jacksonville twenty three point five,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: versus Baltimore forty four point one versus the Texans forty
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: five point seven. So it's also hard to go deep
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: when your offensive line can't hold up. They're losing individual battles,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: they're getting gamed up in terms of protection and scheme.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Like it's all these things. It's not one. And I
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: understand people want to be like, well, it's because the
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: receiver suck or because they're not fast or whatever, and
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: it's some of that is partially.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: True, just some more nuanced, like these layers to it.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: It's a multitude of it. Like it's Brady not scheming.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Guy's great, He's just trying to run rub routes every
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: single time time to get somebody free deep and that's hard.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: That's a hard way to live. It's all of this,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: and that's what scares me the most and why it's
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: my first thing, because I do think it's a fire
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: and I don't know how it gets put out because
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: so much of it is scheme dependent instead of just
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: being like, well we can fix it with these kind
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: of guys like that, that's not gonna happen, I don't think.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, I honestly, I think some of it. It
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: does layer back to it. It's smoky and it's a
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: fire that's gonna keep going if we can't we if
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: we can't get into positive gamescript. Yes, so that's the thing,
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: like you have back to point one, it goes back
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: to point one in this idea of like establishing the
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: run making your play action more effective being ahead, so
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: they are afraid of the run and they have to
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: respect it the whole time. Like all of that, it
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: layers together, and I don't yet, like singularly in a
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: true dropback situation, I agree it's a fire, like it's
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: just not it's not something that's gonna get fixed unless
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: their wholesale difference is schematically but something that I left
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: in those those stats that you dropped, what was the
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: time to throw on those deep ones. Did you say
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: three point seventy nine?
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, overall through the five weeks, his overall time to
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: throw is also going up in each week. So yeah,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: so just just on those deep throws, so twenty or
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: more air yards, he's averaging three point seven seconds three
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: point seven nine seconds time to throw, which is fifth highest.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: So this is my point, the fact that that's fifth highest,
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: but not only that, just the number alone, three point
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: seventy nine. That tells me we're not scheming up long passes.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: That tells me we're going for long pass attempts outside
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: of structures off script.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean two of so his three, so
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: he's three of eighteen on those throws of twenty or
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: more air yards. The three completions are the back shoulder
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: contested catch to Keyon Coleman against Arizona, the off script
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: scramble throw to Ti Johnson against Miami, and then the
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: off script scramble throw Khalik against the Baltimore rates.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: Right, So one of those three was on schedule correct,
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: which is problematic, and that's an even and.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Even schedule one. It's a back shoulder contest, a.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Scheme that's not a scheme. Think that's just players winning
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: their matchups. And that's not to say that key On
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Coleman can't continue doing that.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: That's a hard way to live.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: But George Pickens made a living off of that his
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: first year. Like that's that's a thing, Like there's a
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: world where we could lean more into that. It's not
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: to say that it's sustainable or it's something that's even
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: gonna help his development long term, yeah, but but it
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: is something that we can go back to that well
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: until we feel like it dries up. And to be honest,
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: the fact that we didn't see it at all this
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: week was a little problematic. I understand, like, look, we
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: saw glimpses of it. Oh, we're playing Derek Stanley Junior
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: this week, Like there are reasons to not go for
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: those type of things. But if we're seeing that as
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: a skill set, a plus trait in his skill set
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: and something that the offense desperately needs to establish, let's
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: establish it a little bit. Doesn't need to like really
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: dive yourself into the well, but let's let's stick our
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: foot in there.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's an area just worries me so much.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: And then if you like the more you can't threaten vertically,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: the play action will start to get a little tough
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: because teams are going to run blitz you, and those
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: run blitzes turn into pass rush free runners and blitzes
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: when you're going play action. But then you also kind
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: of need the play action to slow down the pass rush,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: which is part of what you know I wanted in
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: this game against Houston, they struggle to stop the run.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: They have the Neil Hunter and Will Anderson on the outside,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: who were top each top five in terms of total
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: pressures and pressure rate going into this game. Granted they
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: had a huge game against UH Chicago and Caleb Williams,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: but like I wanted to slow down that pass rush.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: I wanted them to have to play run to pass
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: and your run game was working, so you go play action,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: they have to stop a little bit and then continue
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: onto the quarterback. I also wanted to see more boots
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: and some pieces, which going to tie into one of
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: my points later. Yeah, and it just yeah, so much
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: of it ties stems from the game script thing. That's
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: the overarching point I think in a lot of this
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: conversation for you and I, like we talked about, but yeah,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: that that verticality element and then tying into your point
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: of like outside, it's just it's it's worrisome. I feel like,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: like I feel like outside the numbers too, Like I
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: feel like you need to like you like when you
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: do those like passing charts, and there's like the shaded
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: areas versus the light areas. I feel like you need
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: to black out or shade everything outside the numbers and
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: above twenty yards. Yeah, and then everything else the bills
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: can live in. That's hard and defenses know that, which
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: is why they're seeing more cover one, why they're seeing
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: more cover three, why it's going to continue, because defenses
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: are like, we're just gonna throw them all more bodies
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: from the line of scrimmage up to about fifteen or
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: sixteen yards and in between the numbers and in between
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: the hashes.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: The ironic thing is that you usually see stuff like
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: this from an offense because you're limited from an arm talent,
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Like we have like a b Nick situation where you
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: just you can't throw the ball past five yards down
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: the field, and it's it's I mean, I don't want
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: to sit here and say it's a bo Nix problem,
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: but I'm just saying Like, for an example, Boonix is
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: someone with a low average depth of target, so he's
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: easy to pick on for this situation. But like we
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: see that more commonly be the problem than horses in
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: the stable from a pass catcher perspective, being the reason
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: that you're holding us back. Like we know Josh Allen
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: can make every throw, but it's not like that you
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: talked about the tight window rate. This is the highest
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: tight window rate the Bills have seen since twenty twenty. Like,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: it's just it's tighter and tighter. We're just defenses are
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: collapsing down. There's less separation. We kind of knew that
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: was gonna be coming.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Alan is like even going back to
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: last year, Alan wasn't good on the deep ball. Last
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: year he was over I know everybody wants to point
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: out that Digs dropped that one against Kansas City, but
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: think back to how much he over over threw Digs
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: In the first New England game. He underthrew Digs against Jacksonville.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: He underthrew him again against Jacksonville in London. Like both
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: those those times. There hasn't been consistent on the deep
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: ball the past couple of years, and I think slowly
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: it started to creep in a little bit and hurt
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: them enough. But this year it's just been bad. And
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: then you're when you're pairing it with also not being
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: a threat outside, because that's at least what Digs gave
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: you last year, right, Like, Okay, this offense isn't winning
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: vertically all the time. Allan's missing some stuff. They don't
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: have a ton of speed. Okay, Diggs can still get
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: you a bucket on the outside against dudes. Teams are
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: still rolling coverage over his way or bracketing him and
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: trying to put that into perspective. And now that that
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: guy's gone and that area of the field is closed
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: off a little bit, my biggest concern is like as
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: we keep going forward, everything starts to just kind of
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: negatively snowball, where the run game gets harder and tighter
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: and the pass game gets harder and tighter, and the
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: windows get harder and tighter, and it's just like you
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: need something to alleviate that pressure and.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: Got to establish something. You have to establish something to
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: tell defenses they can't keep cheating like that.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, stop cheating. This is a fun conversation.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: This kind of made me sat a little bit though,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: and worried, what's the kind of and next piece that
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: you have actually before before we do that real quick,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: I want to bring up actually, no, continue, go with
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: your second point? You sure, yeah, go ahead.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: I gotta find it, all right, So I'm gonna go
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: with shotgun and eleven personnel running.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: I pulled it up. I pulled it up. It's a slide,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: it's up.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: So it's it's weird because I don't want to sit
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: here and be like, yeah, the Bills need to like
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: go back to what they did before Joe Brady and
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: they need to go back and be this type of offense,
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: because that's not really what it is. I just kind
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: of want to show the disparity in what we're seeing
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: from a tendency perspective. When we're in shotgun, how much
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: are we running the football? And then when we're running
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: the football, how efficient is it? And you can just
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: see over the last two seasons obviously a big dip
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: in rush rate, that's what is that twenty three and
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: change percent change in rush rate, and then we're losing
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: a yard per carry and the rank change in yards
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: per carry out of shotgun is just glaring, and then
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: the same goes for eleven personnel, where you can see
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: we're top ten in both areas last year and now
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: we're bottom half of the league, really second worse than
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: the league in yards per carry. So this isn't to
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: say the Bills need to shift. This is more just
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: conversation on tendencies and showing something else to defenses, because
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: this stems off of the conversation we just have. We
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: as an offense, need to show defenses something different. We've
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: put something on film for three weeks of the season
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: as to why they should defend us one way, and
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: defenses started to defend us that way and it worked
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: for those defenses two straight weeks. Now we need to
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: show them something else and catch them off guard in
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: week one in week one, and then adjust to how
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: defenses pivot to us in week seven, eight nine, because
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: right now it's pretty predictable. Like when we get in shotgun,
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: it's usually a pass. When we get an eleven personnel,
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: it's usually a pass, and even when it's not and
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: it is a run, it's not very effective. So something
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: needs to give their Obviously, the Bills have been very
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: efficient passing out of heavy looks. I want to see
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: the inverse now. I want to see them prove and
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: show that they can do the inverse of run out
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: of lighter looks something that you talk about with like
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: the rams getting more condensed, even though they're an eleven
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: personnel and honestly, it doesn't even need to be an
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: eleven personnel conversation. Let's go back to shotgun and say,
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: all right, we're in shotgun right now, and Dawson Knox
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: and Dalton kin Cater on the field, but kink split
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: out wide, Kinkaid is in the slot, and wherever Kinkaid is,
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: he's not in line, and Knox is whatever. We don't
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: have Alec Anderson on the field, and we're successfully running
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: the football, like we need to show more of that
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: to defenses because right now it's too much of a
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: tendency giveaway, and even when it's not, it's not effective.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: So that's just somewhere else that my brain went. Brain
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: went from a research perspective and just kind of looking
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: at how this offensive identity has shifted. But maybe it's
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: shifted a little too far. Let's let's bring it just
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: a little back but still keep the identity itself because
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: I do like the things that Joe Brady has installed,
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: but I just don't want it to get over emphasized.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: M And you know, I feel like that's a that's
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: a point that I mean, I even clamor for it
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: as well. I was like, give me more under center, Yeah,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: give me more. Yep, give me one under center passing
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: under center play action or hey, let's let's let's marr.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this every year until it's freaking happens.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: We've seen a little bit this year. Let's marry the
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: two and go pistol. Give me some pistol, please and
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: thank you one time. But yeah, I think it's a
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: good point because I think so much of Alan's comfortability
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: in the shotgun and how he's operating and how that
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: ties into him as a passer. You want to lean
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: into the under center game and all that comes with
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: that world in the run and the past, and then
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: being able to marry the two with play action. But
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: it's it's that line balancing or line dancing. I should say,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: of well, how much do we incorporate it versus like
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: sticking with what we know works for our guy already?
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Like in that you kind of get caught in that
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: in between of trying to find the right rhythm.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: How many shotgun darts plays have we seen this year?
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Like, oh man, bro good call. I don't know, like I.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: Truth, I don't think, can't picture one in my head,
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: and that a lot.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Of dart in general, like I really think, let me
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: pull this. But but yeah, I mean even just on
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: the year, according to SIS, before weeks one through four,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: the Bills only had a thirty percent gap run rate
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: on the year, which was eighteen and that includes Duo
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: and Dark to with their stables, most of their runs
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: this year have been more zone based, which is understandable
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: to a degree if you want to tap into like
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: the Shanahan and McVeigh world of condensed formations, you pair
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: the zone run with boots and play action. But they're
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: not having a ton of boots and play action. They
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: only have a ten point eight play action rate, which
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: is twenty eighth and a four point five percent boot rate,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: which is twenty ninth. Granted, both of those are influenced
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: by heavily by the Baltimore game script where they had
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: to just straight true dropback it for the majority of
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: the game, and then the Dolphins game script and the
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: Jags game script where like they were just out in
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: front and it was like, Okay, let's just do basic
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: runs because we can. But I feel like more of
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: the runs this year have been that mid zone run
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: or even some outside zone and I feel like we've
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: seen less duo less start. They'll work it in here
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: and there, or we'll get some semblance of it, like
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: we'll get we'll get the zone run and maybe we'll
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: get a fold block from Spencer Brown or from Connor McGovern.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: So you might think like, oh, are they pulling someone
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: in its gap. It's like no, it's still zone. The
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: angle is just presenting itself, so it's a full block.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: They've become more of a zone run team this year.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Last year they were almost Last year was fifty four
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: percent zoned, a forty six percent gap, and they were
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: like a top four percent gap run team, run rate team,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: which was tremendous. They had really good balance. This year,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: they've shifted to more zone, which I think is somewhat expected,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: but I think it limits one of their best run
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: game pieces, especially if you are struggling, if you go
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: shotgun and you go spread, if they go six in
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: the box against you cool, you run dart. You have
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen's athleticism to hold that defensive end. He makes
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: you even even only you have five blockers to six
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: in the box. Allen is going to account for that
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: backside at backside edge defender, so it's still going to
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: be a five on five, or if that edge crashes
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: and makes it six on five, you have Alan keep
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: it and you turn it into modern day triple option,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: or you have them just to have it be a
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: red element whatever you want to call it, or have
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: an RPO or a pass tag on the run, however
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: you want to verbalize it. That element presents itself and
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: if defenses are scared of that and they want to
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: crowd the box a little bit, then you do what
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: you saw early on a Ton against Jacksonville, which was like,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: oh I only got like two on two out there,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: and where to the wide side of the field. Oh,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: I'm just spit it out to shakiir real quick because
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: he has the angle to get a quick six yards
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: or a quick seven yards. And now you're just playing
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: the numbers angles in space.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: Game extension of run game.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, And do you need every at this point, especially
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: going forward and as more tape becomes available on the bills,
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: and more teams get to study it and use it.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: It's going You need more and more easy buttons, you
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: need more free yards. You need a quick six yard
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: hitter right here. And even if it's not the sexy
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: explosive that we like, you need everything you can. And
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: I like that shot gun run piece. I think that's nice.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just something else to present more to defenses
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: because at this point, I think we're just seeing their
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: tape catch up with them, and that's just kind of
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: where my brain is going with it. They put great
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: tape out there the first three weeks, but it's not
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: like they showed anything different because they didn't have to change.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: They didn't have to it was working. There was no
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: reason to change. But we've hit a point where we
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: need to start establishing different tendencies so we can start
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: seeing how defenses are going to change.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think that's very well said, very very very
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: very well, said Kendall. I want to bring up a
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: quick piece. There's a little piece that I want to
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: talk about going into the Jets game, which obviously is
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: this upcoming Monday Night football. I wanted to show letting
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: me add to my stage and screen here from you know,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: courtesy of our folks here at that us Kendall want
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: to get your thoughts here as we sit here, Jets
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: fire their head today. Robert Sala is no more in
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: New York, which is pretty wild. So we'll see how
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: much this changes as we go forward, but pretty tight
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: spread here. The Bills going to New York. They're favored
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: at point and a half, the over under a set
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: at forty one. What are your thoughts here? Kind of
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: taking a peek at disc graphic? Are you leaning Bills?
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: Are you what do you think of the over under?
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: How do you feel about this spread? Knowing where the
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Bills and Jets are right now?
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: I think, right now the scariest thing in my mind
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: is truthfully that Jeff Ulbrick is the interim head coach.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: Scary in a good way, like you're like scary, like
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: bad or scary.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: Good scary bad for the Bills, because I feel like
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: Jeff Ulbricks just has it for Josh Allen. And I
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: know Josh has played a very clean year for the
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: most part, but like his dirtiest games are against the
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: Jets and Jeff always I don't know why I just
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: have this weird feeling like Jeff Ulbrick's just full week
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: is going to be you know what, I got a
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: number on this number seventeen. Guy, I'm just gonna put
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: him in hell for sixty minutes. That's kind of like
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: the scariest thing for me. But yeah, pretty crazy. Uh,
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: not always seeing the the away team get the favor.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: I'm nervous just like that. I don't know. I never
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: know how much like the head coach change is going
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: to like stimulate a team or like push him further.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: Like there's data out there that it really does galvanize
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: a team. Yes, but there's been a lot of Like
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: the Raiders are the easiest example from last year. It's
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: recency bias. But this one is a really tough one
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: to put your finger on because it came out of
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: nowhere and no one really knows how it started. No
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: one really knows who stemmed it. Like I mean, I
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: sent you a meme today that Aaron Rodgers the reason
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: he was fired, and I mean, I know nothing, I'm
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: just connecting dots.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: But but there's a lot of smoke to those like
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: those reason the fire there of like it being Rogers's call,
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: or like what He Johnson was upset because he's like
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: a US ambassador and was upset that they lost in London.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: There was something because like Robert Salad had like a
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Lebanon flag on his on his code or something. And
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: there's so.
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: Many different things where it's like, is this gonna unite
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: the team? Like did the team want this? Or was
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: the team blindsided by this? And did did would He
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: Johnson do it? Or or did Aaron Rodgers do it?
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: And was the team not fully? So like I think
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: we're all just in the dark on this and we're
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: just gonna have to wait and see, like how much
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: this truly unites this team? Yes, but we all know,
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: like the Jets, this big market, like it's it's gonna
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: be tough for them to really put the blinders on
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: and the headphones on to to keep this noise out
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: and focus on their tasks.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: So I'm too scared to like pick the spread because
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: they at a point and a half, you're essentially picking
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: who's gonna win the game, and I'm far too superstitious
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: to do that. But I would probably take the under
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: just because of how how the Jets offense is looking.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: I think the Bills defense can do enough, and then
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: just historically, the Jets defense always play the Bills offense
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: top exactly, and now they're just where the Bills offense is.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: It's hard for me to sit here and think like, yeah,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: they're gonna put up like twenty five plus on the Jets,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: like right now, Like if the Bills win this game,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's like seventeen ten or like twenty
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: to thirteen, it's going to be like an ugly win
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: that no one's gonna want to see on Monday Night football.
• 1:00:10
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• 1:00:12
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• 1:00:15
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  Speaker 1: already for like this game, just like the state of
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  Speaker 1: like where we are at this point, and I didn't
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: think we were going to like be there. Part of
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: the reason I'm still nervous. This is a quick point
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: for me. This is my defensive one, which I know
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: you were happy about because I am. I'm curious what
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: it is, Yeah, so I and it's it's pretty straightforward.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: I tweeted something out about it earlier. I'm worried about
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: the Bills pressure rate defensively, just given their structure and
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: how they are their seventeenth in pressure rate this year
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: at thirty three percent, which isn't terrible middle of the road.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: You'd like it to be higher, but okay, thirty three percent.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: They are last in blitz rate at fifteen point seven percent,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: in case anybody was wondering. But when I broke it
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: out by week, that's where it concerned me a little bit.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: So going by week pressure rate against the Arizona Cardinals
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: thirty four point two percent, that was seventeenth that week,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: against Miami twenty seven point nine percent that was twenty fourth,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: against Jacksonville thirty point eight, which was nineteenth, against the
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: Ravens twenty seven point three, which was twenty third, and
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: then against the Texans forty two point nine percent pressure
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: rate which was by far their highest of the year
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: and it ranked fifth. That kind of positively skewing the
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: numbers a little bit. I worry, and we'll see. I
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: guess what it looks like going forward. Taron Johnson coming back,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: Matt Mlonald coming back in December at Oliver. You know,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: we'll see what his health looks like. Dane Carter flashed
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: positively in this game against Houston. A lot of it
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: for me was from a run standpoint, not so much
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: a pass rush standpoint. But and then we'll see Austin
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Johnson's health, there's von Miller, all of these pieces, But
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: that concerns me a bit on the defensive side of
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: the ball, especially because and I mentioned the blitzer eight.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: We know Sean McDermott in his heart of hearts just
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: wants to rush for and play coverage behind it. Even
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: when the Bills blitz, it's usually like a simulated or
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: a creeper, so you're still only rushing four and drop seven.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: They're not going to be this team where all of
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: a sudden, like they dial it up and they've got
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: like a thirty or higher percent like blitz rate, and
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: they're bringing five and six man press like rookies. They'll
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: do yes where they'll heat them up and try and
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: like mug gaps and see what they're gonna bring and
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: who they're gonna bring. And I wonder a little bit
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: if that starts to bite them at some point, because
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: they are they have one of the higher average target
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: separations right now at this point defensively, which is super muddy.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Like I could do a whole topic of like why
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: that's muddy, but considering how much they drop seven, that
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: could be like that that's in the back of my
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: mind a little bit, but even just one thing, like
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: to not get too off topic with that, Like if
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: it's third and long and they're not covering the flats
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: because they know they can rally and tackle. If the
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: quarterback throws it to their running back in the flats
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: for the checkdown and he's got like eight yards of separation,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: but the Bills rally and tackle and stop in five
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: yards short and they punt, that's a win. The Bills
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: are planning for that. So that's why I don't like
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: to use average targets. Separation is necessarily the end all
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: be all in terms of an overall stat versus like
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: specific areas of the field. But I am a little
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: concern about the pressure piece because even when they were
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: healthy upfront to start the year, it was still kind
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: of middling. Like again, you're looking from a week to
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: week ranking going one through five, seventeenth, twenty fourth, nineteenth,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: twenty third, fifth, so that Texans game, and the Texans
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: have been porous in pass protection. They have a top
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: ten pressure rate allowed on the year, despite having one
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: of the best offensive linemen in football in Laramie Tunzel
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: and having a gard in shack Mason who's not bad.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: That worries me just seeing them constantly be around like
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: twentieth or like the mid twenties. I just don't think
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: that pressure rate gets it done if you are consistently
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: rushing four, Like if your mo is, hey we're gonna
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: rush for and drop seven, your four has to get there.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: And maybe this game against Houston it's kind of the
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: impetus for that a little bit. Groot had several really
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: good pressures at Vanessa, had some juice, So maybe this
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: starts to kick things for a little bit. But they're
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: gonna see better offensive lines going down the road than
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: what they've seen already, and they've struggled a little bit.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: And then if you're also pairing that with you know,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: being leaky against the run at times, then it starts
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: to give me some cause for concern. We already saw
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: them switch up some run defense stuff against Houston. There
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: were more run blitz as they were activating Thorian Williams
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: coming forward left and right. So part of me's thinking,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: do they maybe dial up some more five man pressures,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: maybe some six like do they combine that with you know, hey,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: we've got big, physical athletic corners on the outside, We're
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: just gonna go press and we're gonna jam the hell
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: out of dudes and mug them, and we're gonna send
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: five and six and let yeah and kind of see
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: what it does. But I'm kind of waiting for that
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: other shoe to drop of, like that pressure just or
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: the lack thereof really starting to hurt this defense. Given
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: how they like to play structurally, I.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: Was gonna say too, like in how that compliments the
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: offense and a lack of explosive offense, sometimes you want
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: to make those explosives with their defense. Take those shots,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: take those chances as a defense, and not play so ben,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: but don't break and actually try to cultivate a turnover,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: not not because of their mistakes, but because of your aggression.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: And you know, take a page out of the Brian
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: Floores book and try to get your team into a positive,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: positive field position. And you don't force Joe Brady to
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: you know, matriculate eighty yards down the field. He only
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: has to go you know, forty thirty something like that.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: So there is a conversation there to the marriage of
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: defensive identity to offensive identity. And it's not to say
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: that they're not right now, it's just sometimes certain situations
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: might call for a little bit more aggressiveness.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also would think too, I mean, you
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: can kind of make the case for either side of
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: this argument. But I would have thought with like the
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Dolphins game script and the Jags game script being so
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: pass heavy, so I guess maybe you could look at
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: it and be like, well, they threw a ton of passes,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: so the pressure it's going to be down. But I
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: also would have thought given the known quantity of like
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: they're gonna be passing half the Yeah, yeah, like that
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: also lets the defensive line t off and just kind
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: of play rush angles and games. Yeah. So again, you
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: can make the case either way if you really wanted to,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: like negate it or pump it up. But that to
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: me is just in my mind, I'm always rightly or wrongly,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: And I think a lot of fans are this way too.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: You and I have had so many conversations about this,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: just they're always investing in the defensive line, like year
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: after years. Sometimes it's like, you know, a free agent
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: on a one year deal, or it's a draft pick,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: or it's significant money, and I just feel like we're
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: we're still missing, like Leonard Floyd from last year right
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: now where he was this one man wrecking crew up
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: front at Oliver started to come on and then they
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: formed like a good two man game. I'm just worried
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: about that spot. And then as we go forward, how
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: that ties and schematically, It's just something like I'm kind
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: of like, literally every week, I'm always like, what's there?
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: Like each each subsequent week, I'm like, what was the
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: pressure rate this week? What was the pressure rate? How
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: much of they blitz?
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: I mean to be if they're the von Miller's suspension
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: definitely hurts because it's like that he's kind of that
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: he's that juice, Like he's he's the free agent that
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: we got this offseason because it felt like we didn't
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: have him last year. So in a lot of ways,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: losing that player is like that that's a lot of
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: pass rush productivity that that's lost for four weeks. So
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: it was definitely it was felt as much as they
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: got home this past week, it definitely felt, especially in
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: the first half, like oh my god, like we can't
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: we can't influence.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: So at all. That was my other point from the film,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: like the pass rush in the first half was like
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: pretty dead. There wasn't a lie.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: It was crazy. Stroud wasn't moving at all, and like
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: all the plays that Stroud did make in the second
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: half were very impressive from him. He had to move
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: around and really navigate.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Smoot was getting pressure at Vanessa was getting pressure,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: Groot was getting pressure. Like they were doing a good
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: job kind of affecting. Yeah, the pocket from all angles
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: and but a lot of that again, like came in
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: the second Grout really started to win inside in the
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: second half. They tried blocking him with the tight end
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: a couple of times, which was like, I don't care
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: if it's cat Stover or adult shoulder whis rocking gregor
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: so yeah with it with the tight end, that doesn't work.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up the super chat from Richie one. Richie,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: thank you very much for being here. I think you
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: very much with the super chat. I sincerely appreciate it,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: Richie says, And I want to get your thoughts on this, Kendall.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: Richie says, Evening boys been getting pushed back, but hear
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: me out, if we get hosed by the Jets, McDermott
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: has to be the next one out. He's done a lot,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: but how many mistakes are too much Kendall, What are
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on this comment here from Richie Oh we
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: all hold on time out. He also says the guy's
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: also made critical and criticals and all caps critical mistakes
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: should have been in at least one Super Bowl by now.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: Stop being grateful for breaking the drought? What are your thoughts?
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: So it's clear it's clear where his his priorities lie
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: on this, But I I think if the.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: Real quick that ties us a little bit to what
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: we talked about earlier, Right like when when does that
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: moment come of like you are grateful for punching your
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: ticket to the dance every year, versus being like we
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: haven't been of the finale, like we haven't been to
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: the Big Ball or won it, Like when do you
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: kind of yeah, Yeah.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: What I'll say is, yeah, if they get blown out
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: like we we really do have to start talking about it.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: What I will say is I'm really happy to hear
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: him actually take the blame after last game. I feel
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: like a lot of years in recency, a lot of
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: the recent two three years when these things have happened,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: he just kind of says like, oh, we didn't execute,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: we didn't execute y.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: It's been like very much like coach speak, like we
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: got and.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: He was very humanizing in in this past moment where
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: he was just like, no, I gotta take accountability, like
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: that's my fault, like gotta be better. And it was
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: nice to hear him say that. I know that doesn't
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: really like help anyone feel better about it, but it
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: helped me feel better about it. It's just a different
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: it's a different coach speak. So it was nice, just refreshing.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: But if he gets blown out, if the Bills get
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: blown out in this game with an interim head coach,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: like the questions have to start being asked. You and
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: I talked about how the Houston game played out, and
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: to me, it doesn't come down to running the football
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: three times when you're on your own two yard line.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: Like I know he admitted like there was wrongdoing and
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: everybody's been talking about it. Yeah, I say, yeah, like
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: he could have ran it once and then passed it
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: twice or something like that, but also.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: Like to not not to give him a pass. Alan
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: could have also completed some five or six of your
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: completions the guys underneath instead of taking the shots he
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: took each time sight to Hollins.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, to me personally, like they had to play
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: for a first down there. It was like, you have
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: to get a first down and if you do that,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: you secure overtime. Like you're playing to get into overtime
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: at that point because of the two punts prior. So
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: it was just a field position game at that point,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: and they kind of got screwed with where they were
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: and he I don't love the decision of three passes,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: but I don't hate the idea of being aggressive and
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: just trying to get that first down and securing overtime.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: I guess this is a really long winded way of
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: saying I'm not blaming McDermott so much for this past losses.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are. But I do
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: think that compounded with a big loss to the Jets
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: would go a long way in kind of like turning
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: me over into being like it will really maybe, well,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, let's be honest, like, this is a team
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: that's having some struggles, and this is a team that
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: the Bills have struggled with and they're in a moment
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: of turmoil, Like, yes, this is a moment where you
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: should be able to catch them when they're not right,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: and you're motivated to do everything to turn your season around,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: Like this is a very pivotal moment for the Bills themselves,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: and if they're not up to the task from a
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: schematic perspective or from a motivating perspective, like at a
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: certain point, it does fall back on McDermott. But I'm
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: not going to sit here and be like, if the
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: Bills lose by what fourteen, then he needs to get fired. Like,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: the Bills don't lose by a lot of points very often,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: and the way they lost to the Ravens we talked
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: about it was very one offish, like the team that
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: they played in the Ravens is a very specific kryptonite
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: to the way the Bills are built and the way
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: the Bills are injured, to be honest. So it's a
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: really nuance for me. And I don't want to like
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: cop out and be like that, but it's gonna take
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: a very specific type of loss for me to be like, yeah,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: mcdurrant needs to be out after losing to the Jets.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: Fair I like this. So Richie came back with another
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: super chat. Again, Richie, I really appreciate you being here
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: in the super Chat. This is a cool fun fact,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: Richie said, fun fact. If the QB coach duo doesn't
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: do it in the first five years, it has literally
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: never been done. And that's super cool fun that. I
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: did not know that. I've been trying to think the
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: whole time, right, like just trying to go all the
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl winning teams and thinking.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: Like and and yeah, I guess it makes sense, like
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: it either clicks or it doesn't. But I think I think,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: I think my my pushback on that would be how
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: many of those duos were like offensive head coach like
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: offensive minded head coach and quarterback Like how much is
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: the is the synergy between those two really catalyzing the
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: team's success because McDermott is really overseeing so much of
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: the defense less so of the offense. I don't know,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: not saying one way is the right way or the other,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: or trying to even discount this because this.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: Is no I really like that. That's super that. That's
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: a really fun like trivia question of like how many
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: and then it's like like psyche answers actually zero. Yeah,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: I like that a lot. That's cool. To go back
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: to anything, and I'll just leave this super Chat up.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: But to go back to his original question, like, man,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: I don't my whole thing with it, right, is the
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: the known quantity or lack the of whoever comes in
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: and replaces him. I have no I have no issue
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: getting rid of a coach at any point in any
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: shape in time for whatever team right that I support,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: or any team in general. But I just don't know.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: And Ben Johnson, for example, right, someone you and I
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: talked about the last time you were here and on
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: and off the off air, and I know he's been
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: to have a whole bunch of maybe you know you
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: love Bobby Slowick and what he's doing, or maybe I
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: don't know. You're like, no, let's get Steve Spagnel, whoever
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: the hell you want. Right, There's just no guarantee for
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: me that the next guy who comes in gets them
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: over the hump. Whether it's an offensive guy, whether it's
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: a defensive guy. There's just as much of a chance
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: that the next guy gets them a Super Bowl as
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: there is the next guy makes them like three and
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: fourteen and they're dumpster fire. And that's the only thing
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: that holds me back. And it's not necessarily being like
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: fearful or being Okay, I guess with just keeping the
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: status quo, but I do appreciate and it's not drought related.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: It's not because you know, we watched this team for
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: so long and now they're in the playoffs every year
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: and it feels nice. I do think there is something
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: to be said for winning your division every year, or
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: getting to the Final four every year and having that
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: ticket always punched and giving you the opportunity instead of
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: flaming out a little bit. But again, you're still not
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: winning a super Bowl and you're not hanging banners for
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: AFC's championship trophies or you know, getting the to the
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: divisional round. So I understand it. And then part of
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: me is also like, yeah, remember like Andy Reid, for
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: it's Andy, and maybe Andy Reid is like the outlier,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: but Andy Reid was viewed as like this biggest choke,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: one of the biggest choke artists as a head coach.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: He couldn't get it done in Philly with like all
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: the NFC championship appearances. Then he goes to Kansas City
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: and year after year, remember they lost that freaking wildcard
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: game to Marcus Mariota and the Titans. Like everybody was like,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: this guy sucks, get him out here. Philly couldn't wait
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: to jettison him out the door. And the Chiefs a
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: fun exercise. I don't know how to filter it, but
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: if you ever go on like Chiefs Twitter and go
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: look at all the tweets. The year before Mahomes arrived,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: everybody was like insulting Andy Reid and calling him names
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: and how they wanted him out. And now he's viewed
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: as like one of the greatest head coaches and minds
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: of all time, so on and so forth. For me,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: so many things just have to go right for a
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: team to win a championship. And this isn't like Bill speak.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: I would say the same thing regardless, like look at
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: the Chiefs are a great example, right, like Andy Reid
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: brilliant offensive mind. It's really great that he basically has
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: another head coach running the entire other side of the ball,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't have to do anything. Like Andy Reid
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: walks down the office or walks down the hallway on
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: the way to his office, sipping his coffee and maybe
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: just pokes his head in the defensive room. He's like, hey, Steve,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: you good this week? And Steve's like yep, and he's like, Okay,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: see you on the field, and that's it. He doesn't
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: have to do anything, and so many pieces have to
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: align to get you to win a ring, both on
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: and off the field. But I understand the notion, like,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: and I get it. This sounds so wishy wash here
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: and so on the fence, Like I really like, don't
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: have a vote either way if he got If the
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: Bills came out and lost like forty nine to three
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: against the Jets on Monday, I might start to be
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: like uh oh, like getting off the rails if he Yeah,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: if it's clear that he's lost the team or he's
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: lost the locker room and there's no more buy in
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: because I think that plays such a bigger role than
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: people give like that credit for or give that creden.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: So I know we joke about it all the time
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: with the Bills, like oh, culture and this and that.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: No, that's part of his superpower. It's motivating and cultivating
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: a culture.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: And it's and it's in a lot of teams, like
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: all those teams that are good year after year. If
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: the Steelers under Tomlin, the Ravens under Harball, when Ray
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: Lewis and Suggs and Reid were there, the Patriots with
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: Brady and Belichick and even the Chiefs. Now, like those
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: teams that continuously have like winning seasons and are in
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: that dynasty conversation, there is a culture that's established and
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: it comes from the top down. So if it's clear
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: that he's lost that, I'm up for it. I really
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: don't have a horse in the race. Like I want
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: the Bills to win a super Bowl, I don't know
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: if McDermott can get it, get that team, get the
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: Bills of Super Bowl. But I also don't know if
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: the guy that they replace him with can get it.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: Even if you replaced him with a super Bowl winning coach,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: you still don't know if that guy's going to be
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: able to get that job done. There's just so many variables,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: and so yeah, I it's always so tough for me
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: when people are like, oh, do you think they should
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: fire McDermott.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: I'm always just like, I don't know, I understand this underestimate.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: I feel like people just underestimate how hard it is
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: to truly win the Super Bowl and how many things
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: have to go right. Like you said, it's just it's
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: almost as hard to do that as it is to
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: get the first overall pick, and sometimes living in that
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: world of like, yeah, we're giving ourselves a chance to
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: win the super Bowl. That's all you can ask for,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: is the chance, because once you get to the playoffs,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: things just have to keep going right. And yeah, he's
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: proved that thing. He can't get things right once he
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: gets there, and that is problematic and that is cause
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: for concern and cause for termination in a lot of
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: people's minds. But who's to say that one year doesn't
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: just click? Yeah, And that's the thing. All it takes
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: is one year to click, one year.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: To change that narrative. And so I want to bring
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: this comment from RJ who says, please stop comparing McDermot
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: to Reid. Reid had four straight NFC championship gas in
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl appearance, McDermott got the AFC championship once
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: in a very lucky year. Reid was better than people
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: realizing Philly. That's what we're saying. That's the whole point.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: Andy Reid was very good in Philly, and they wanted
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: to put his head on a stick. They treated it just.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: About the results. It's about how you got to the spot.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: And yeah, did you fall short of the result of
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl? Sure, but how did you get to that point?
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: And like even to talk about McDermott geting to the
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: AFC Championship in a very lucky year, Like, let's look
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: at the first three games of this season and be like, Oh,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: were the Bills lucky for their defense to be shutting
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: people down the way they did in the first three
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: games of the season or was that coaching and development
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: to allow all of these backups to come in and
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: play such significant roles and really make significant contributions. That's
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: I don't want to take anything away from the players,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: but let's not forget who put them in those positions
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: to either be mentally confident or mentally prepared.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's that's it's such a huge piece.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's a right answer either way. No,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: the Andy Reid conversation comes up because he was a
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: very successful coach and good coach, and people still wanted
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: him out the door because.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: National thing, national narrative was different because he couldn't get
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. But we forget how many things have
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: to go right. So many former players talk about it.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: They always talk about how crazy it is how many
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: stars aligned to actually make that thing happen.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I like this come here from Richie,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: and I think this all comes down to right. It
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: takes one year, but Alan's clock is ticking, still in
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: the prime, but ticking. Yeah, you don't want to waste
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen. But there's so I think even if you
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: just look at like the Chiefs run and the Patriots runs,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: the Steelers, like all these teams, like you think, and
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: I hate to be this person, right, but like think
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: of all the right bounces that went the Patriots way
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: for them to get there. Their whole dynasty doesn't start
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: if the tuck rule is called correctly.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: Like he also think about the bounces that didn't go
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: their way, like the David Tyree catch and stuff like that.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: Like there's tons of variables.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: Happens to all these not good no, but.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: They have the R And that also goes into too,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: like the whole matchup conversations. Sometimes you go up against
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: the wrong team, yeah, and you get that foil and
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: you're all, crap, we gotta face this team and this
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: doesn't work because they're built this way and we're not.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: I just think there's so many variables that there's no guarantee,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: But I'm fine either way, Like, and I think it's
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: a really good thought provoking question, Richie, you got to
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: chat all up in arms arguab with one another talking
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: about it. But but again it makes sense because and
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: I think it ties to the larger question like we
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: talked about to lead off the show a little bit,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: like when do you when do you cut that cord?
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: Like when is enough enough of your you know, hey man,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: we appreciate that we're winning the division and getting the
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: playoffs every year, but the goal is to win a
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: super Bowl. We're not getting it. When do we kind
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: of cut that tie? Like, I think Sean McDermott has
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of positives. I also think there's obviously, you know,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: where there's smoke, there's fire, and there seems to be
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of smoke to the shortcomings we've talked about.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: You and I have talked about them a bunch on the show.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: So I'm always fine either way, Like if you can,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: if you if you feel confident as an organization to
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: go find someone else like cool, I'm with it. If
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: you want Sean McDermott to stay cool, I'm with it,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: Like I just think there's so many variables. Yeah, it's
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: just and and again, like the ugly McDermott moments are
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: super ugly, which I think is what It's not just
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: like that the Bills have lost or haven't won a
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl. It's the way they've lost. Yeah, and it's ugly.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: We were past this stuff like that. So I think
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: for me, yeah, you're so right where it's like I
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: feel very similarly, I don't have a horse in the race,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: like whatever happens. It does sound like I'm very pro
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: McDermott right now. I think I'm just pro over five
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: hundred football and being able to watch good ones.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: And I wouldn't like it if they kept Sean McDermott,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, yeah, okay. If they fired him and
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: were like, hey, we're giving the reins to Ben Johnson,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, Okay, I can get behind that. Although
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: my the big one for Ben Johnson for me is
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: his system isn't how the Bills operate, Like his system
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: is built for guys like Jared Goff, who is not
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen. Could he tailor it and have it fit
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen? Sure, But I don't necessarily think it's.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: A light for like, I think my main thing is
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: if it does happen, I just wanted to happen on
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: just terms. I don't want it to just happen because
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: it's like a lack of patience and it's like you
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: lost in the AFC Championship again to the Chiefs, and
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: it's like, well, all right, who is beating Mahomes because
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: they've done it three straight times and that's only team
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: that's ever done that. So I just want the cord
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: to be cut, as we can see here from Kenneth
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: at the right time for the right reasons.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see that, and I you know the
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: comment here, You know it's thirteen seconds that sets his
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: resume part And I think that's so much of it
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: for everyone. Right, it's not only are you not winning
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: the SUP how you're losing?
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, how you're getting eliminated?
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: And see this comment here too. It completely depends on
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: how you lose. Yeah, that's it. You're not losing like man,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: what a great game or a slugfest. You're losing in
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: ways that makes everybody go, right, what's he doing? Why
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: would he do that? What is happening? And yeah, like
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: that's I think that's what's putting it in perspective, and
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: it you know, the the way the Texans game ended
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: kind of giving he's he's already walking a dangerous line
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: because of thirteen seconds that will follow him before forever
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: and anytime he makes the wrong decision. He could get
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: one percent milk instead of two percent at the grocery
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: store and everyone will be like see because he can't
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: make the decisions in the moment, It's always going to
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: come back to those like ugly moments, and there's a
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: multitude of them, so I understand where. Yeah, the conversation
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: comes from, but it's no easy way out, man. Good job, Richie.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: Well not appreciate you forgetting supercess. This is fun. We
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: obviously could have done this the whole episode could have
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: just could.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: Truthfully, Richie, I didn't have a third point to make,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: so I'm happy you brought that up.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: M Only I like that This is good from Joe
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: who says maybe the Bills could fire McDermott and break
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: in a smart and forward thinking I know it's like
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: I feel like Josh would love that, though he would
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: just love that Aaron Rodgers is his head coach. And
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: he could just chum it up and play golf.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: That'd be funny. And this is a comedy of a
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: question from Adam saying doesn't say something about his mindset
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: in the big moments. I think that's the question, right,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: is it? Is it bad luck or you know, bad coincidence,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: or is it is it the person is exactly? Is
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: it bad process? Is it just results happening but the
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: process is sound?
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: Or I mean so many people have peeked into like
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: this McDermott stuff of like, oh, what's his decision making
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: in neutral moments versus what's his decision making and like
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: crunch time moments and he's like, I think someone found
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: that he's rather aggressive in neutral moments. He's like a
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: Dan Campbell in most moments, but then when it's crunch
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: time and it actually matters, he gets super conservative and
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: scared to make the aggressive call that has helped his
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: team get to that spot all And it's like those
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: are the things, those are the things where it's like
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: I can understand bills fans being like, be consistent, be
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: congruent with your mindset that you've been pushing all year
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: that got us here, and then falter and walk it
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: back like feels weird.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I also think I brought this com here
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: from Ross, which I don't want to get us too
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: like into it even more. But Ross says, blame Bean,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: crappy wide receiver room. Some comments here about von Miller,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: the Knox contract, Elam Kincaid dig should still be a bill,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: he says, Bean sucks My part of that too. Like
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: the McDermott conversation, I'm always wondering, like how much do
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: you lump in bean? Yeah, how much of the roster
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: building is bean versus how much input does McDermott have.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: I always think back to the Bishop pick.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: The cool Bishop pick shows us there's a lot of
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: collaboration between those.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: Times, yes, and so I always think that they're kind
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: of in lockstep with one another with how the team
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: is built. The Bill Parcell's line always goes into my
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: head like of like if I'm cooking the meal, I
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: want to be the one buying the groceries, and how
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: he would like build teams. But that like always goes
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: in my mind like of how much how much do
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: people put onto it? And not just saying like for us,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: but for people in general, like how much do you
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: heap onto Bean versus heap onto McDermott, or how much
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: are they the same brain? Like? Are they like I
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: want to know of all the moves they've made or
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: was there ever like which ones were the ones where
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: they didn't see eye to eye? How much get happen?
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: So let's look at the linebackers, like moving on from
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: Tremaine Edmonds and deciding to draft Torell Bernard and Dorian
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: Williams and leaning into this matchup linebacker idea. Sure that
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: wasn't Brandon Bean's idea. I'm sure that was Sean being like, No,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: this is the defense. This is how I want to
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: run the defense. And I want, like you said, the
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: groceries run this defense. So I I think you're right
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: like it if if it's one of them, it's both.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: I want the right groceries for this defense. I want
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: him to say on that everybody's like, what what the hell?
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: You got to finish the metaphor? Sir?
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what are you talking about? What groceries?
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: What do you what are you doing? Milk doesn't fit
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: on a defense?
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah? What are you talking about? Who's the one percent
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: milk on this depth chart? Are you okay? Sean. Yeah,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: it's it's a fun conversation, and it's obviously one wealth
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: depends on how you find fun, I guess, but I
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: think it's one like that'll probably have it'll continue to
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: happen as long as McDermott is here and as long
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: as this team doesn't win a super Bowl. And then
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: I also wonder too, tying into that, if McDermott goes,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: does Bean stay, Like what does that look like? Because like,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: are you? And I wonder how people feel about that,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: Like if if if getting rid of McDermott means you
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: also lose Brandon Bean, how willing are you still to
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: do that? Does that change anyone's mind? That's why it's
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: such a fun conversation because I feel like there's so
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: many offshoots and avenues and tangents and branches it. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: and it's up and again all tying to the idea
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: of like it's risk reward. Do you risk it and think,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: hey we can find someone better and it's positive and
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: you get the reward? Or is it too much a risk?
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: And everything kind of the milk is bishop good comment,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: that's very good, that's very good. So then Riley Moss
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: is the one percent of the Denver Broncos defense. That's fair.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: Last one from Richie says, ask yourself this, do you
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: trust McDermott in the last drive of a Super Bowl
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter if the answers know he needs
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: to inevitably go Oh? I like all that rhyme. I
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: don't know if you plan that, but I like, However.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: If he's saying defensively, I don't like I've gone back
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: and looked at like I think it was. I think
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: it was either like game tide or other teams, or
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: like leading or something down by at least a possess
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: or at most eight points in like gotta have it
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: games like that drive is just putrid. That defensive drive
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: is just it's it's not good. Yards per play on
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: those drives are just not good.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: I didn't even think of it from like a defensive perspective.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: I thought of like, if there's a challenge off Oh.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: I was just thinking, like if there's like a structural
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: decision that.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: Needs I think he's gotten a lot better on the
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: challenges this year with whoever the higher is. Yeah, Yeah,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: they've gotten a lot better on that this year. I
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: think he's he's made the right calls, even the stupid
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: one that really didn't change anything in the Ravens game.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: Like it was the right call, it was just meaningless.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, defensively, not a lot of faith. Offensively, I don't
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: really feel like he has much to do with that
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: other than like, oh, are we going to go for
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: it on fourth and three? In a gotta have it moment?
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: I think he's doing it, like yeah.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: And I I don't. I mean, I don't. I also don't.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: I'm I don't trust anyone, so I don't holistically like
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: trust anybody. Richie says, sorry, a feather put fun convo.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: This is apous conversation.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: It's very compelling. Yeah, you didn't bring it up toxically.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: I think it was great. You meant well by it. Also,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: you put money behind it, which school, But no, you
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: meant well by it. It was good, thought provoking conversation.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: I also think it honestly fits into the conversation of
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: what to make of this Bills three and two start,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: because I think this season is I think this season
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: is a very interesting litmus test for this Bill's team
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: kind of going forward knowing, Okay, they're trying to reset
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: some things from a salary cap perspective, they're trying to
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: revamp some things schematically, and from a personnel perspective and
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: the direction that they're going with. They've had injuries, they
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: have new coaches on both sides of the ball, but
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: especially at all three levels of the defense. So on
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: and so forth, like how much does this season go
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: off the rails versus stay on course? How far do
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: they get, how do they look, how do they exit?
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: What happens in December and January? So much of it
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: I think starts from this point. Given what we've seen
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: in the first three weeks, followed up by the next
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: two and then that tying in and funneling into the
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: McDermott conversation, I do think it was like it was
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: really kind of not par for the course, but on
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: track with the conversation that we're having here.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think a big thing with this too, is
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: just remembering the expectations from the preseason and understanding, like
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: you said, it's a reset year and what the expectations
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: were going into the season. And there's just this small
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: fraction of me that feels like being in McDermott had
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: a conversation in the offseason about the reset, and they're like,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: you know what, this team can still make the playoffs,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: but it might be smart for us to make this reset,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: make the playoffs as the second team in the AFC East,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: not win our division, get an easier schedule in twenty
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: twenty five, and be better in twenty twenty five and prosper. Like,
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: it's not to say we're going to take a step
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: back and totally give up in twenty twenty four, because
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: this team is still competitive. It's always going to be
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: competitive with Josh Allen, it's still a very solid roster.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: But if they do finish second in the AFC East,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: make the playoffs, make a run. There's a lot of
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: good experience for a lot of these key contributing young
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: players on this team, and then you add more rookies
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: next year and you have an easier schedule on twenty
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: twenty five. That might have been the plan, and they
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: might have overperformed early and then they're like, crap, all right,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: we're doing this. We're doing this thing. That's only a
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: small fraction me. That's like conspiracy theory brain, But like,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know, there's a reason that they took the reset.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: It's not to give up and tank, but it's to
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: make themselves better in the future.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: I wonder, yeah, how much of like the what's the
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: plan this year? And they're what they're like, Okay, this
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: is what twenty twenty four through twenty twenty six looks like,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: or what the reset was.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: Because we know they're long ter, long term thinkers.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, they're always thinking like three seasons ahead. But
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: I think so much of it is going to just yeah,
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: how this season ends.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: I think like if they win the division, I don't
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: think anyone, like from the fan base perspective, is going
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: to care if they get bounce in the wildcard or
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: get bounced in the Vision. But if they make the
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: wildcard and they don't win the division, but they go
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: to the AFC Championship or they go to the Super Bowl,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: it changes like everything and so much of it. Yeah,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: I just there's so many like avenues and variables of
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: the conversation. I think it's fun and kind of look
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: and again, I think you're in a similar bowl, Like
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: I truly understand like both sides of it. If you're
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: pro McDermott, you want him to stay cool. If you
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: are anti McDermott and you think he needs to go asap. Cool, Like,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: I understand both sides of it. I just always think
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: there's no guarantee either way. But I respect the people
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: who are like, no, here's the known quantity. I want
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: to ride with adverts the people who are like no,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: I want to risk it even though we don't know
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: what the next known quantity is going to be. But yeah,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: it's man, And then you're obviously tying that into like
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: Allen and the Cat people are going into cap conversations
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: and that, and every team has to kind of reset man.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: There's Yeah, there's so much good. Thanks for torpedoing the episode, Richie,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: not just kidding. This is fantastic. Yeah, that's really good.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: I don't even want to kind of get my third
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: point in this was just more play action and bootlegs
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: and where are they and why we're not seeing it
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: a ton I mentioned it a bit earlier. I just
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: think they need more. Only a ten point eight percent
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: play action rate on the year which is twenty eighth,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: four point five percent design rollout rate on the year
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: which is twenty ninth. Again, like I mentioned earlier, that's
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: heavily influenced by game script. But yeah, I think a
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: lot of the issues for this team right now in
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: terms of other than the fact that Sean McDermott needs
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: to go or it doesn't go.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: Or whatever, that absolute dumpster fire.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: Right, so many So much of the conversation for me
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: is I want to see what they look like. Is
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: they start to get a little healthier on the defensive
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: side of the ball. Offense, for me, really it tied
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: to your first point and my first point. Everything for
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: offense for me really ties or comes down into like
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: one thing. Can they generate explosives or can they start
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: to stretch defenses out? Is there some semblance of verticality
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: or actually, know, I shouldnt even say verticality. Can they
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: start to stretch defenses out either vertically or exactly or horizontally.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: Can they start to win just anywhere? If they can
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: start to win outside that numbers a little bit, or
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: if they could start to win more pass I won't
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: even say twenty fifteen yards plus, but yeah, give me
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: twenty plus, give me some more air yard strikes down
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: the field, something to kind of loosen things up. Because
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: I like the offensive line. I don't think it's good
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: enough to be the kind of offensive line where we're
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: like cool, just bring nine in the box. We're gonna
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: mash you and take care of it, especially knowing that
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: your two tight ends or Dawson Knox and Dalton kink
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: who Knox has improved as a blocker, still isn't a maler.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: Dalton kin Kate is not there as a blocker. He
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: can function against like safeties and nickels, but you don't
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: want him going up against true box players like big
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: bodied safeties or linebackers or defensive linemen. So so much
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: of it for me offensively defensively is let's just stem
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: the tide until you can get healthy. Give me Taron
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: Johnson back, give me Matt Milano in December, stem the tide.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: See what happens safety. I think is interesting. Once Rap
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: is good, is Bishop going back to the bench, What
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: does that kind of rotation look like? What do you
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: do with cam Lewis who has played kind of well
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: but also had some kind of vulnerabilities. But a lot
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: of it for the defensive side for me is just
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: can they get healthy and what does that look like
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: once they are defensively or offensively, I should say, everything
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: for me is just can they stretch the defense either
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: her horizontally or vertically, because so much of it stems
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: from that, And I really do think it's all tied
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: to scheme and Joe Brady, just like we talked about
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: the last time you were here in the preseason, Like
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be on him to press the right buttons
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: and pull the right levers almost all the time to
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: make things work. And then Allen has to be on point.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: The receiver's landmarks and routes have to be on point,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: like so many things have to click because you don't
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: have dudes that are just oh yeah, that guy's one
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: on one, I'm throwing him the ball because he's gonna win.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: I don't care if it's zone, it's man, I'm going
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: to him. Oh you're now, you're gonna double cover them? Okay, cool, Now,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: I haven't numbers advantage somewhere else, Like that element is
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: lacking in a multitude of ways, and it's not gonna
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: go away unless they tray for Marti Cooper, Davante Adams
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: or whoever else like people are talking about.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: Which would be so ironic after where we were sitting
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: before Week.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: Four, right right, the.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: Whole, the whole conversation. All the whole nation was like, wow,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: they really they figured it out. Yeah, spread the ball around.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: Everybody eats they were right. Two weeks later they need
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: DeVante Adams. Yeah.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: And it's and it's so funny seeing a lot of
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: like I I've criticized Dorsey going back to twenty twenty
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: two in film and metrics on Twitter, on shows all
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, But I do think it's funny
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: now that a lot of the things that are happening
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: to the offense and people are yelling at Joe Brady
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: about were things that were also happening under Ken Dorsey.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: It's just it's just what we do as fans. It's
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: just whoever's the figurehead, it's the person that gets the
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: blame and give you hold that guy, Yeah, you hold
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: the title for being responsible for offensive success or failure.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: So when they fail too, when they see it's you.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not great. And I feel bad for Dorsey
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: being in Cleveland now because Deshaun Watson just does not
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: know how to play football. And but although like Dorsey
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: is the OC, it's Kevin Stefanski's offense is a play caller, like,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: so he's the one really running the show.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: There were still in Mitch Trubisky reset right now, it's nice.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: Dorsey's in nice, very nice, well said, Well said mister,
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: next Jen Ken over here. I like that, I'm gonna
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: change up. I'm changing you on my phone to that.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: I'm no, I might, I might change it.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: To that You're gonna like try to text me type
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 3: in Kendall and nothing. I am.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: I'na be like, where the hell is there? No one
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: is going on. I'll just be scrolling trying. I'm like, oh,
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: it's next gen Ken. Oh man, I kind of want to,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: but I kind of don't know. This was a very
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: fun conversation. I know we had. I feel bad because
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: for people who don't know Kendall put like a whole
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: bunch of slides together. We use some of them. I
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: use some of them and read off them, but I
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: wanted to go through more. But we ended up just
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: having a really fun conversation in a different correction line.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: But this is awesome. You were absolutely tremendous as I
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: knew you would be anything you Oh stop super chat
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: from Carl. Thank you for being here. Carl consistently feel
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: the show.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: I love this.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: Oh I figured you would I figured you would. Uh
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: so appreciate you being here, Carl, thank you very much
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: for the super chat. And Carl says, what's up with
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: Mike Edwards? Wasn't he to start? What are your thoughts?
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know, Carl. I'm right there with you. Man,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: I'd pay fifty bucks for someone to answer this question
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: for me. Like, I just I don't get it. I
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: don't get it, Like why are we signing this guy
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: to this? Like, look, I understand you spend the money
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: to like take the chance and then best man wins
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: when you get into camp. And I understand he got
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: injured and all that stuff and while he pit that,
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: but like, I don't know, Like, and.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: It is isn't it isn't a crazy deal. It's only
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: it's a one year, three million dollar deal a cap
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: hit a two point eight. But if they were to
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: cut him, it's a dead cap at one point. So
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: it sounds like he's here because of the money.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: Did we pay him to tell us Spagnola's secrets?
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: Like I'd take it. If that was that, I'd take it.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess we'll see when we played the champs.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: How fruitful is that truly gonna be? Like he's a
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: solid safety. I'd like to see what he can contribute.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: I understand how much of this defense is predicated on processing, positioning,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: understanding assignments, and we're starting to two starters going into
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: the season or players that have played in this defense before,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: so I understand how important that is. But at a
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: certain point, like their limitations and I want to see
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: what other players can do. And I'm glad we got
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: that opportunity with Cole Bishop, but I mean, we'll see
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: what happens when everyone's healthy. I'm also very curious what's
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: up with Mike Edwards, and I guess the same can
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: go with Curtis Samuel and his usage. But you kind
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: of touched on that a little bit and it's a
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: little more nuanced.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like Samuel, for me, I think
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: some of it is is with his skill set and
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: like who he actually is versus what he is advertised as.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: But I think the low hanging fruit there is. I
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: just his toe injury isn't one that was gonna go away.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, turw doesn't just go away.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: That only goes away if you like just sit up
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: and lay up and don't do anything for likes on.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: Weeks a long time. It takes a long time for
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: a four.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: To six weeks, it's a multiple week things. I I
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: should look at it, but I'm not gonna find it
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: like it was. It was something that's gonna linger. He's
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: playing on it, so it's definitely not going away. I
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: think that's partly limiting him for the safety. The safety
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: room in general has always kind of perplexed me this year,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: Like once they signed Edwards, I assumed I thought it
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: would be Edwards and rap as the starters. Then they
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: drafted cold Bishop. I didn't think the fit was necessarily
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: like like for like, I feel like they liked him
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: as in the interview, and they liked the traits and
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: the skill set, and they were banking on that just
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: because of how how good he was. You and I
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: have talked about it on the show in text, like
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: I just thought he was so better as like a boxer,
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: an apex safety blitzing off the down. He looks good,
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: so comfortable, and that doesn't mean he can't learn to
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: play more of a traditional safety or deeper.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: See he's developing quickly and yes, he's he's smart, very.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, and the athleticism is playing, which is nice. I
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: think it's processing his sound, even though he's made a
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: couple of mistakes and had some miscomunication piece. Yeah, but
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: I like the rap and then Edwards and then Hamlin
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: and Bishop, and I like, I didn't really give DeMar
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: Hamlin a shot at starting, although I guess I should
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: have because Edwards was new and Bishop was a rookie.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I I am a little perplexed with this.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: Just he didn't look great in camp when I saw
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: him in person, but then he got hurt. He was
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: hurt coming into camp already he missed like a majority
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: of the off season stuff, and then he tweaked his hammy.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's one hundred percent healthy. I
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: do similar to you, like at least once every other day,
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what's going on with Mike Edwards? Even like
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: when I was watching film, I saw him on the
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: sideline holding his helmet like he I think Benford or
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: somebody made a tackle a lot of bounds and he
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: like helped it. He grabbed their hand and helped him up,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: and I was like Mike Edwards and I was like, damn,
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: where's Mike Edwards? Or like and even just the safety
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: stuff in general. You got to take two to tangle.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: But Claude mentioned in the chat like no, Justin Simmons,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: like no Quandary Diggs like this. How they've constructed the
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: safety room has been very interesting, and I think it
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: just goes to show what they value is very specific
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: to them, like what and they won't move off that,
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: And I kind of understand it, like McDermott's track record
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: in Philly and Carolina with just making dudes play very
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: well and raising their floors and ceilings.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: It's a competitive advantage to not have to pay at
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: that position, because I mean not to say it's like
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: a premium position or anything, but you're saving money. Like
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: the safety market is growing. We saw it with Xavier
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: McKinney and he is playing very well, so it's only
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: more reason to pay safeties moving forward. But hey, if
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: you can save money there, it means you can spend elsewhere.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 3: And we know being like to spend on the defensive line,
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 3: so whatever you shave off there, you get to allocate
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: to other places. So I mean, if you can cut
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: that corner, it makes sense. But right now it just
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: feels like, hey, we made investments in multiple air areas
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: for this safety room, and we're just kind of going
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: with the known commodities. Yeah, And it's and I think
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 3: that that's a fan though from the outside, Like obviously
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: they know the commodities they're working with.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, and and but I do think there is a
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  Speaker 1: lot to be said for how much they value responsibility. Yeah,
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: and known quantity above like sexiness or flash like and
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: tomar Hamlin for as much as I think his athleticism
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: is capped, I think he's best suited as like a
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: depth safety than he is an actual starter. But he
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: plays kind of quisponsibly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And that's the thing you can't really
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  Speaker 3: knock him because it's like, yeah, I mean if he's
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: if he's playing assignments sound football, but he's athletically limited,
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 3: and they value the assignment sound side more then.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what they've always I know. Yeah, And that's
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: what they've always done in like even the corner room.
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  Speaker 1: It's why Levi Wallace started for years, It's why Jackson was.
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  Speaker 3: Let me work about this. I was like, yeah, I
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 3: mean for eight years now, Like that's what the defense
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 3: has been built on, assignment sound, being in position, being
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 3: a good processor. It's never been about athleticism. They took
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 3: a swing on athleticism with Kyle Elam. He hasn't made this.
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  Speaker 1: I was just like to say that, like sometimes it's
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: not about the traits like it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's like it's how you fit in the
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: defense and what they want from the defense. So I
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 3: can't really get up in arms about it. But but
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 3: to Carl's point, like I do want to know, like
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: I think fifty bucks to know what's going on, and.
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  Speaker 1: I want to see. My biggest thing with Hamlin is
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: I just don't think he's like a plus matchup player anywhere.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: I think he's responsible and he's assignment sound, but I
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: just don't see him like making splash plays or this
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: flash type of player. Even the interception like against the Jags. Cool,
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  Speaker 1: good for him, Brian Toms Trevor Lawrence just sailed it
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: like Brian's actually wide open.
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  Speaker 3: He said he was in the right spot to make
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: the tackle if the ball.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: Was in good, So good for him being in the
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: right spot and which sometimes you know, the ball finds
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: you when you are on the right spot, you fool
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: the right way. But I just feel like Edwards offers
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: more playmaker ability, even though maybe not a ton. He's
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: not a huge playmaker. But yeah, like I I do
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: want to know what they have in Mike Edwards and
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: especially too, like just the meybe, like the non schematic
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: piece of Like dude was part of two Super Bowl
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: winning defenses. He knows what it's like in these big moments.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: Not saying that Hamlin doesn't or Hamlin can't perform, or
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: rap can or Bishop can or someone like whoever we're
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: talking about in just position.
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  Speaker 3: With him, but like took you took a swing on
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: the guy, and now you're not.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's strange.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: It is weird.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, I just I guess and maybe wrong, I guess.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: I just kind of assumed he'd start. Maybe we shouldn't
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: have because it was only a one year deal and
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: it wasn't a ton of money, and maybe he, I mean,
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: he would be right now if they didn't draft cool Bishop,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: like everybody, probably would have been the guy alongside de
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: Mar Hamlin or I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Know, maybe maybe he was always an insurance, you know what.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: Maybe they wouldn't Maybe cam Lewis would have moved to
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: safety and they would have put JaMarcus ingram at the
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: slot instead like now I'm old, like my wheels are
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: always spinning of like why are they playing Mike Edwards
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: and like what's going on?
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, I'm sure they had four or five
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: contingency plans. They always be sure you're right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I am very interested. Well, nice job being man.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: The super chants are fire tonight. In terms of.
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  Speaker 3: Pellal questions, yeah, for sure.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: Anything else on your mind about this three and two
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: starts about where this team is position coaching, large scale,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: small scale, or anything Bills, Jets going forward, or anything
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: in general. The floor is yours before we start to
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: wind out.
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  Speaker 3: I think the main thing for me, like big picture
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: is I think the Bills caught a lot of teams
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: off guard in the first three weeks. I think they
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: caught the NFL off guard in the sense that everyone
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: knew that they weren't going to be the same high
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: powered offense, but they knew who was leading the charge
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: in seventeen, and they knew they had to respect seventeen.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: And I think it took them three weeks to realize, yeah,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: we still have to respect Josh Allen, but it's not
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: in the same way that we've had to and we're
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 3: gonna we're not gonna be playing as much too high
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 3: against him, and I think it took the league a
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: little bit of time to realize that. And now that
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: they have, the Bill's got got to show something else.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: They got to show why Josh Allen needs to be
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 3: respected still. And it's not like he's shown any reason
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: not to. But Josh Allen is the reason that you
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: took this chance on this wide receiver corps and allowing
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: him to elevate everyone else. So I mean, it's gonna
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: take a little bit of time, but that's where we're
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: getting to that point where rubber meets the road, and
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: we got to start seeing him elevate those guys on
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: the perimeter because that's what we paid him to do,
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: and that's why we shipped off digs. You know, it's
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: you're shaving money somewhere to put it somewhere else. So
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: this is Josh Allen's time to really make it count.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: I think you're still a mute.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: I am muted, I am embarrassing, terrible, just bush league.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: I'm in a similar boat, just really from a once
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: the first quarter of the season is done, even though
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: we don't really have even quarters now because we have
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: an odd number of games. I know I hate that,
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: which I absolutely hate. The sample size is available for teams.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: Teams love to scout in like four weeks sample sizes.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: Teams start to know who you are and what you are,
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: and so now people are going to counter who you are.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: Do you have the counters for their calendars? That's really
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: what I'm looking at going forward. We've seen, you know,
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: we talked about it a little tonight and getting in
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: some slides that we didn't get to, but we've seen
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: an increase, you know, teams throwing more single high at
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: the bills, Cover one, cover three, How they're performing against that,
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: how it impacts the run, how it impacts the pass,
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: and all of these pieces kind of coming together. I
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: think Brady knows that. I think they should have anticipated
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: a lot of these issues, knowing how they constructed this team.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: So now the question becomes how do they counter the
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: counters going forward? Knowing who, knowing what they put out
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: on tape thus far, and it now becomes like the
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: we know what you know type of thing. And now
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: the chess match begins like you talked about earlier, and
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: it becomes, okay, how do you break tendency. How do
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: you show a when you're really setting them up for
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: B or now they think you're going to go be well,
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: now you're running like why and they have no idea
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: that that's coming. And then how do you balance that
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: with not showing too much too early and keeping some
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: of it for you know, November and December and everything
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: that is the chess match of football that makes it
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: such a fun game. I am interested to see kind
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: of how they start to adjust and what do we
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: see schematically? Can they open up the offense a little bit?
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: What does the defense do from a pressure standpoint? Do
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: we see some more blitzes start to creep in? What
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: does this defense look like once Terarn comes back? What
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: does Malone look like once he comes back? Like, how
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: does Dorian keep progressing? What do we see at safety?
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: I think there's so many questions from like a fun perspective,
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: but also from like a scary one, and a lot
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, I think really just comes down to
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: how do they start to adjust based on the adjustments
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: that teams are making to them being go good times Kendall,
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: this was fantastic. You were fantastic. The chat was absolutely
• 1:52:53
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• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: we throw up the band and says tootles. Folks, as
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we really shouldn't count that out at this point.
• 1:53:22
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• 1:53:28
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• 1:53:31
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