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The impact of insurance monopolies on family healthcare · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  We've learned anything from these past couple of years.
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  My fellow Americans is that personal member of freedom and liberty are in crisis.
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  American Rama Pulse brings together the top experts in health care related fields to keep you up in here.
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  So in one week from the day of this of our podcast, we're going to have the elections, May 19th in Alabama for the primary elections, and I'm running for the lieutenant governor's position.
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  And this year is a unique situation because the governor's race has really been not ignored, but appreciated the fact that Senator Coach Tommy Tupperville is looks to be a shoe-in.
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  And so a couple of the big races in the state that are getting more notoriety than normal is the U.S.
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  Senate race always is.
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  Certainly have many problems that need to be addressed.
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  In regards to the lieutenant governor's role, I'm approaching it from a different perspective than anybody I've ever heard of doing because most people that run for the lieutenant governor's role are trying to ingratiate themselves into the system so that they can uh later on uh take the big seat of the governor.
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  Uh I think the most important role that a lieutenant governor has is in our state, uh I don't know how many other states have a dual uh platform whereby the lieutenant governor and governor run together, like the president and vice president run, but ours is separate.
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  But uh and being disgusted, saddened uh over the capture of the corporate interests of our state government, uh, especially manifesting itself uh in several ways the last couple of generations.
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  Uh somebody's got to come out with a different approach, and I think that if you are the lieutenant governor in Alabama and you do not abdicate your bully pulpit, then you're going to you're going to challenge the system that's been designed for far too long to the neglect or the harm of the average citizen.
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  And so I will be the presiding officer of the as a lieutenant governor over the Senate.
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  And I will use the a podcast platform in order to uh tell the citizens what in the world is going on, because I'm not looking to um ingratiate myself to the big mules who get to make all the decisions, it seems like.
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  So underneath that, uh there are three or four objectives I have.
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  Uh the first one and two are affordability, which is a major problem, and also health.
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  I was uh like Dr.
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  Vaughn was asked a year and a half ago to come work by RFK's uh Robert Kenney Jr.'s team up at HHS and unbeknownst to each other at the time.
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  We were asked, and we both said no.
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  Uh Jordan doing all that heroic work at the microvascular institute that he has founded.
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  Um, and being the top guy that's treating vaccine injuries on the continent, according to Robert Redfield.
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  Um he certainly didn't have time, and I didn't have the time or interest really as well.
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  But we've both been talking a lot to them in the last year to his team.
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  Jordan's been talking a few times to RFK himself, but uh they're trying to put together these wonderful uh programs to the states that are going to uh reorient toward health rather than a sick care system, a health care system.
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  And it's largely largely going to be built off of education and incentives to help people look at uh what they're doing, what they, the government's doing, or what we do to ourselves, or outside uh interest that uh shouldn't be involved that are certainly making major impacts on the the health care delivery system, and so um then on a local level, uh family's been here in Montgomery for 200 years, and it's home, you know.
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  It's my hometown, not looking to leave, and we have awful uh leadership at the city city level.
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  The mayor is uh very sad, kind of MIA on the major issues uh to us, it seems like common sense thing would be the huge increase in crime.
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  And then the other one is what we've been touching on the last couple of weeks or a couple of months, and actually been since we started, touching on the destruction of the health care delivery system in our country has been very uh apparent, and COVID revealed a lot of the flaws.
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  But uh Montgomery has uh three hospitals, uh 200,000 people, and uh the head of the government, also headquarters for Hyundai Corporation and Maxwell Air Force Base, which used used to be a $2 billion a year annual um economic boom for the community, and unfortunately, with the crime and the poor schools here, now half of the officers that come to uh
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  But uh Montgomery has uh three hospitals, uh 200,000 people, and uh the head of the government, also headquarters for Hyundai Corporation and Maxwell Air Force Base, which used used to be a $2 billion a year annual economic boom for the community, and unfortunately, with the crime and the poor schools here, now half of the officers that come to uh one or two years of training at Maxwell Air Force Base uh leave their children behind because the crime indoor uh schooling is for our children is lacking to say the least.
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  Um the mayor in Montgomery needs to be uh I don't know if the word exposed is right, but somebody needs to uh help him look at his obligations differently.
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  And so that's kind of an overview of where we are, and it's been fun the last three or four months going around the state talking to you know hundreds and hundreds of people, thousands of people maybe total, uh, in the 2025 events we've gone to.
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  Usually my wife Rebecca gets to go with me, and uh, we have a good time getting to know local people, um, whether they're you know the citizens or the people running for the school board or the uh county commission or whatever, as well as those running for state wide office.
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  Uh it's just been a unique opportunity I've never been a part of at this level for sure.
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  And so the distrust in the government is uh an all-time low.
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  Um, or the trust is in all time low, the distrust is an all-time high.
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  I've mentioned this movie before.
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  Uh the Gallup poll that comes out every year shows looks at the top 25 industries in the country, and the one with the least trust is the government.
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  Uh the next last is pharma, and just above that is uh Jordan and my profession, the medical industrial complex, the physicians, the lack of trust we have engendered over the last six years because for many reasons, but we just couldn't seem to find a way as physicians, unless you were independent of your uh job was independent.
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  You just protected your your money and uh your future and your career at all costs.
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  Who cares what was going on with the students?
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  And of course, initially I was very mad at these other doctors, but now I'm having great sympathy for them.
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  I just couldn't imagine how I'd feel if I had been a part of the disaster called COVID and had advocated for a lot of the dangerous and uh injurious issues, not just the COVID shots, but several different uh horrific um things that were foisted on us.
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  And so um with that uh the idea is we need to get to a uh position where the legislators, the senators in particular, are looking at uh are taking a step back, and rather than trying to appease the uh big mules, as they're called, there are a dozen or so of them in Alabama, and none bigger than the last six weeks, uh six years than that of the hospital association, mainly UAB, uh University of Alabama Birmingham, where Jordan and I just both went to medical school, but um something needs to be challenged because the narrative is not uh holding up under light scrutiny.
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  And so what we're seeking to do is provide our state a different uh path forward, and in getting to know a lot of these candidates, uh they seem to be very in tune with uh trying to encourage better transparency, I guess is a better way to say it.
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  So uh it's been fun.
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  We've uh so back to the Gallup poll.
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  The Gallup poll showed that the latest one, that uh the least is the government, just above that pharma, and just above that our profession.
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  I think uh 15th on the list out of 25 was uh trial lawyers, for example.
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  And uh another clear example of a distrust is the Pew Research poll has been doing a poll for 70 or plus 70, 80 years looking at the trust and government, and never we had such a low perpetual level of under 25%, most of the time it's under 20%.
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  Um and clearly we can't continue, can't continue a home office, a church, an organization, much less the government, with that level of perpetual distrust, and so that's why I'm running.
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  Um that's the big key.
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  That's what I hope to help the most and that in health and affordability.
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  Um one of the things that I may have mentioned before was a whole I went back uh in the last week and watched a couple of the videos that Senator Ron Johnson had at the investigation subcommittee meeting where he was a chairman looking at the failures of Obamacare, and it was worse than I'd remembered when listening to him last October and November, and that uh the system is intentionally broke, obviously, to promote unhealth, but most importantly, dependency, uh the loss of freedoms.
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  Um it's so easy to see it once you do.
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  But uh a poll, one of the charts from Senator Johnson's hearing was looking at the failures of Obamacare.
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  Uh it was one last stacked on another one that was forced down our throat in 2010, and it took effect in 2013.
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  And for those of you who weren't around or paying attention at that time, he made several bald faced lies, uh, that being the namesake of Obamacare in forcing this through.
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  And the end result is clear.
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  It is to do what he said he wanted to do before the bill, which uh before he presented the bill, which is help bring about foster, bring about uh single payer health care socialized medicine.
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  Medicine.
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  And with socialized medicine, you can currently read some of the tragic stories going on in Cuba when they don't have enough medicine for simple medicines to take care of people.
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  And with socialized medicine, you can currently read some of the tragic stories going on in Cuba when they don't have enough medicine for simple medicines to take care of people.
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  But then again, that socialist communist really country down there is reaping the whirlwind.
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  But then again, that socialist communist really uh country down there uh is reaping the whirlwind.
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  Um the world will be better off when we have an approach that looks to help people.
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  The world will be better off.
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  When we have an approach that looks to help people, not empower bureaucrats and politicians.
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  And that's what I hope to offer the uh senators.
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  So one of the charts in Senator Johnson's hearing was looking at the cost of premiums among Americans.
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  And beginning in 2013 when it took effect.
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  Comparing to now, the healthcare premiums have increased across the country on average 167% or 169%.
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  And um that's 4.3 times the consumer price index.
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  Basically, what you uh it's just so much higher than what would be expected.
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  And this is all constant year dollars.
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  Well, Alabama is, I think, sixth worst with a 270% increase uh in our premiums every month.
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  And I think I've shared the story about a lady six months ago who came in tears because she has a 300 uh $3,000 um premium from Blue Cross Blue Shield, and that dovetails into the idea about why Blue Cross blew she.
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  Well, Blue Cross in Alabama provides 90% of the around 90% of the private plans in the state, and they are very, very protective of their territory.
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  And it's uh to the detriment of so many.
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  Um Blue Cross Blue Shield is one of the 12 big mules that uh I'm looking forward to challenging and helping getting them to help understand their responsibilities.
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  Um just from a moral framework how a nonprofit entity with 3.6 billion dollars at the end of last year in reserves um doesn't have to report the executives don't have to report their income.
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  And then this year um they're not only allowed, not they don't have their executives don't have to report their income, but now they can create holding company or companies that allows them to uh make and keep money, and I doubt I doubt from the what I read that uh they're looking to use that money, those monies potentially to uh lower the uh premiums significantly on Alabamians.
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  An interesting area that we really haven't explored.
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  And kind of the concept is what happens when the brain can't drain.
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  And kind of the concept is what happens when the brain can't drain.
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  And I think it's something that is relatively new even to me, really in the last six to eight months.
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  And I think it's something that is relatively new, even to me, really, in the last six to eight months.
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  But it's actually thinking about how the brain drains is relatively new to medicine in general.
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  But it's actually thinking about how the brain drains is relatively new to medicine in general.
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  In fact, we probably didn't understand the importance of how the brain drained until 2016, 2015.
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  In fact, we probably didn't understand the importance of how the brain drained until 2016, 2015.
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  So we're talking probably only 10 years.
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  And most people would find that pretty alarming that we didn't really understand it.
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  But there was kind of an assumption that the brain drain just diffusively.
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  And what we have now learned is that there's a huge uh involvement in how the brain drains from what we would call the lymphatic venous axis.
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  And so the glymphatic system and the venous system of the brain are uh a little bit more than just a sewage system.
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  They actually are a living active organism, and can cause big issues on the brain uh when they don't work.
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  Obviously, if they don't work at all, that is a medical emergency.
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  But when the actual limitation is more dynamic or just not adequate, um, it can cause lots of issues that we would have typically thought of as now being described as neurolong COVID.
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  And they kind of overlap with this syndrome that classically would be described as idiopathic intracranial hypertension.
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  And unfortunately, the word idiopathic, a lot of times in medicine is uh overused and usually signifies something where we don't really understand it, and we don't think it's this terrible thing.
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  But the reality is um once we start to understand the system better, uh, we usually can remove that word idiopathic, and we start to figure out that uh intracranial hypertension and what we have now kind of called cerebro venous outflow disorders or cerebral venous drainage from the brain is actually something that impacts a lot of people and causes a lot of interesting symptoms.
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  So kind of when we talk about long COVID in the brain, a lot of it focuses around inflammation, autoimmunity, dysautonomia, the microclots, and mitochondrial dysfunction.
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  But the more pressing question is, and it's really less familiar, is what happens when blood gets into the brain normally but struggles to get out.
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  And so we really think of these concepts now as cerebrovenous outflow disorders, where venous drainage from the brain's impaired, really through dural venous sinus stenosis, which is again these kind of draining pools in the back of the brain in the occipit, kind of where your neck, back of your neck attaches to the base of the skull.
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  And um also internal jugular vein narrowing, so the big vein that narrow, you know, that is draining your brain that you sometimes can see when you're angry, and hold your breath, it kind of pops out on the front of your neck.
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  And also um the kind of how these things can change and cause issues in the brain.
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  And a lot of times the symptoms can be pretty classic from a neurological perspective, and they're symptoms we usually think about when we think about idiopathic intracranial hypertension.
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  And so they're kind of headaches, pressure, head, pressure in the head, uh tinnitus or ringing in the ears, dizziness, visual symptoms, cognitive issues, um, sometimes actually uh have a lot of sleep disturbance, and sometimes there's a lot of the symptoms that are uh similar to a dysautonomia.
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  Other things that can happen are uh psychiatric in nature, or at least we've described them as psych psychiatric, um, but they're things like depersonalization, feeling distant from yourself, um, feeling like you're outside your body.
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  A lot of that has to do with the pressure resulting on changes in the deep neural network of the brain, which is actually part of the brain that is involved in your relation to yourself.
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  So you know, kind of think of the brain as a high flow organ.
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  Arteries bring blood in and veins and venous drainage drain the blood out.
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  Um typically the venous blood exits through these major channels, especially the turnal jugular veins, uh, especially when you're lying down.
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  And then also when you're upright, a lot of times you're reliant on the venous drainage in the collateral venous plexus in the neck, as well as the vertebral venous pathways that are related to kind of inside the spine.
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  Um, and there's lots of vulnerable points here.
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  Obviously, you have a skull, your neck is quite active and moving.
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  And so there's lots of ways that you can impair that.
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  So, first of all, we need multiple uh pathways because if you turn your neck right or left or back or front, um you're going to have uh one of those actually not work as well.
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  So you need backup, you need collateralization.
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  But outflow can be impaired kind of inside the skull, such as the transverse or sigmoid sinuses in the brain, outside the skull, such as kind of the internal jugular veins.
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  And sometimes the problem is fixed, sometimes it's dynamic.
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  So again, worse with head rotation, neck flexion, posture, breathing in and holding it, or even external compression from the bones uh and muscles in the neck.
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  Um, and also this seems to overlap with a lot of people that have uh hypermobility spectrum disorder or EDS, mainly because these people's kind of connective tissue is a little different and more likely to be collapsible.
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  Uh, some of these people also have craniocervical instability, where they have issues with um uh even kind of the tightness of the joints in in the cervical spine connecting to the skull.
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  Um so really it's where this kind of overlaps with long COVID is a lot of neuro-long COVID patients really describe head pressure, cognitive fatigue, brain fog, visual blurring, uh ringing in the ears, dizziness, uh, feeling like they're not getting good blood flow to their brain when they stand up, which we call orthostatic intolerance, exertional worsening, sleep dysfunction, and a seat sense that their head is like kind of full or pressure loaded or pressure loaded.
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  Um those symptoms are not specific.
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  They can come from dysautonomia mass occupation, migraines, uh, but also this kind of intracranial pressure disorders.
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  Um, and so that's where they overlap.
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  So that's where they overlap.
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  And that's uh in many ways what we're starting to see.
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  And that's uh in many ways what we're starting to see.
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  So a lot of these patients, as we get imaging of their head, not just the brain and looking for areas like that would usually be involved in strokes, um, but instead looking at where uh maybe the ventricles are changed, maybe the venous sinuses are atritic or not uh filling, or that their neck imaging shows that their flow not.
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  So a lot of these patients, as we get imaging of their head, not just the brain and looking for areas like that would usually be involved in strokes, um, but instead looking at where uh maybe the ventricles are changed, maybe the venous sinuses are atritic or not uh filling, or that their neck imaging shows that their flow, not to their brain, but out from their brain is impaired.
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  And so basically a lot of times most neurologists as well as clinicians in general have very little context to think about um how things get out of the brain.
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  Uh we are very good at looking for uh the ability to get blood to the brain.
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  Classically, you know, when you get an MRI or an MRA that looks at those structures, what you're looking for is areas of uh inability to get blood to the brain.
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  But just as important is uh, like we've talked about when we talk about um the pelvic veins and this kind of sewage system that gets disrupted, uh, the same thing can happen to the brain.
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  So the other thing is um how this may happen.
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  So I definitely think of the baseline, a lot of these people have some type of connective tissue difference.
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  And that's why a lot of these people have hypermobile spectrum disorders or EDS type stuff.
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  So their connective tissue is a little bit more stretchy or different in a way.
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  Um, but then when we add in how COVID uh and the spike protein, especially from the vaccine, um, can cause damage to the endothelium uh in microvasculature, that's where uh we start to see these risks.
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  The other thing is is there's a lot of uh pathology associated with the vaccine as well as COVID that has classically been described as uh what we would have called sinus venous thrombosis, and that is just kind of the worst outcome where the cerebral venous sinus is basically uh has a clot in it.
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  And um this in itself is a big issue, uh especially as a major issue in long COVID.
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  I've seen probably 10 patients with this history.
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  Uh, but that's just the kind of worst outcome.
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  Instead, uh thinking about it uh in the context of how did that develop, and then is it happening in other people?
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  They may not actually have true thrombosis, but there's definitely endothelial damage and clotting dysfunction that's going on in the venous system of the brain.
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  Um so what we really need to do is um continue to kind of figure this out.
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  And there's there's a couple people that have been writing and studying this area for a long time.
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  There is a guy named Ferdinand Huey as HUI, and then there's a guy named Carl Fargin who have been looking at this for really the last 10 years, uh, and then now are starting to see it even more often in people post COVID or post vaccine.
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  In fact, one of the things that actually brought me uh to think about this was a paper they did looking at neurolong COVID and cerebral venous outflow disorders that was published in 2024.
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  Um, and now I have the uh honor to get to know them and learn a lot from them.
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  And the more we talk, the more uh a lot of what we're seeing overlaps, but their understanding of the brain is imperative to think about how to maybe fix this.
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  Again, this is you know, biologically plausible.
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  Um and in reality, a lot of people say has this been here?
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  And basically some patients may have preexisting narrow venous anatomy, cervical instability, or collateral dependence, and then this systemic inflammatory uh illness or uh vaccine might push a compensated system into a symptomatic or patheophysiological system.
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  Basically, they're starting to have symptoms.
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  They may have not had that many symptoms or not life debilitating symptoms until this happened.
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  So again, biologically plausible, but plausibility is not proof.
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  Uh, we need better really prospective imaging, pressure gradient studies and really getting down to how to fix this.
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  Because the cool thing is is Ferdinand and Kyle actually have uh the ability to do imaging and and and pressure studies, and then actually amazingly, as science and medicine is advanced, even going into the brain and fixing this.
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  Um my kind of point here is that in neurolong COVID patients, I think we need to more carefully think about venous outflow when the story includes head pressure more than classic headaches, pulsatile tentatus, visual obscurations, dizziness, cognitive worsening with posture exertion, and symptoms provoked by head position, neck pain or cervical instability, or really any signs of what we would have classically called intracranial hypertension.
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  Um the kind of workup for this is really utilizing uh things that look at the brain.
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  So common tools include an MR that looks at the venous system, what we call MRV, or a CT of the venous system of the head and neck.
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  Um again for selected patients, that's when that we actually send them to see Ferdinand or Kyle, because they can actually do dynamic studies to look at this.
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  Um the other interesting thing is that there are medicines historically that help with cerebrospinal fluid production, or what we would have classically called idiopathic intracranial hypertension.
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  Um, some of those medicines or medicines that we usually use for uh altitude sickness, uh things like diamox or acetazolamide, uh things that we classically use for interesting type of headaches, the medicines called to pyramid or topamax.
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  And then there's developing science that looks and sees that GLP1s, uh medicines like semiglutide or Mongiaro or uh terzepitide, um, also uh have an a uh usefulness in decreasing inflammation in the glymphatic and venous system, but also probably decrease CSF production and decrease um and they decrease uh intracranial pressure.
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  So um the kind of the practical takeaways is in neurolong COVID patients with head pressure, pulsatile tendatus, visual symptoms, orthostatic brain fog, exertional worsening, and positional head and neck triggers.
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  I really uh kind of encourage people to start thinking about cerebral venous uh drainage.
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  Um, you know, again, I think uh it is an area that I really didn't think about um uh until actually trying to listen to my patients and try to figure out how that might be possible, then going to the literature and reading about it and then talking about people that have been in this area for a long time.
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  Uh it is an area that I really didn't think about um uh until actually trying to listen to my patients and try to figure out how that might be possible, then going to the literature and reading about it and then talking about people that have been in this area for a long time.
• 35:15
  So um again, long COVID's force medicine to reconnect systems we are often separate, you know, the immune vascular autonomic neurological and structural cerebral venous outflow disorders kind of sit right at that intersection.
• 35:15
  So again, long COVID's force medicine to reconnect systems where you're often separate, you know, the immune vascular autonomic neurological and structural cerebral venous outflow disorders kind of sit right at that intersection.
• 35:29
  Um
• 35:29
  Um two things.
• 35:32
  I mean, I definitely think the common paradigm is is the brain inflamed.
• 35:37
  Um, but I think we need to think beyond that.
• 35:39
  And the question is, is it inflamed?
• 35:42
  Because the sewage system or the brain uh is unable to drain like it should.
• 35:47
  So again, um with that, the question will not explain every case of neural long COVID, but for the right patient, it may open a door that standard neurological testing really has missed.
• 35:56
  And that's where we've got to start thinking.
• 35:59
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• 36:00
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• 38:57
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• 38:58
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• 38:59
  Stuart Tankersley, and we're talking about a very important uh issue, and that is hope.
• 39:05
  Uh it is the first week of Advent and uh the hope candle, uh the hope, the assurances of his appearance and resurrection, his birth and resurrection.
• 39:17
  Um was uh guaranteed in the old testament, and now we're in a new paradigm with uh two thousand years later, we are joyously hopefully awaiting his second return.
• 39:30
  Jordan, you were telling telling me an interesting uh project you you were reading to your boys uh uh last night about the hope candle and what was that about?
• 39:42
  Just the garden in Genesis um versus the garden in Revelations 22.
• 39:48
  Um, which uh again, the presence of the tree of life in both.
• 39:54
  But there was in the original garden the knowledge of good and evil, but uh in the uh garden in revelations, there's a lamb at the center of it.
• 40:04
  And that lamb obviously is uh is Jesus our Savior who has uh approached all that we could ever approach and and died for everything that uh all the sins that we have been uh that we have committed since birth.
• 40:21
  Yeah, you know, uh it's uh I was we were talking in Sunday school recently, and uh lady reminded us it's part of the catechism, but Christ why did Christ come?
• 40:32
  He came to forgive us of our sins, but he also came to impute his righteousness onto us, which is uh no small thing, of course, is the greatest thing, the greatest act of love.
• 40:44
  And uh that gives us the hope that we have and uh now what does uh hope what is hope based in?
• 40:52
  It's based in truth.
• 40:54
  Uh the truth of what is going on, you know, truth, the generic uh meaning is that which is consistent with reality.
• 41:05
  And uh the reality of what we've done the last five years with these shots is truly horrific, and it's so wonderful in the Dr.
• 41:12
  Prasad and Dr.
• 41:14
  Hogue and uh people like you, Jordan, that are on this ACIP committee, you're seeking the truth, and uh you'll be vindicated.
• 41:23
  And uh this letter that was leaked, it's interesting, it was leaked.
• 41:28
  Uh, and of course, the those that are carrying the water for the narrative uh for the big money people uh they can't help themselves or feel bad for them.
• 41:38
  But uh it's really interesting that it was leaked and came out last week.
• 41:43
  And uh we're gonna now in this segment of the show uh conclude uh the article, the paper.
• 41:51
  Yep.
• 41:52
  And so he goes on and even starts hitting some more interesting things that I think is um I mean, he's leaving really no stone unturned here.
• 42:00
  And turned here says we will also revise the annual flu vaccine framework, which is an evidence-based catastrophe of low quality evidence for surrogate assays and uncertain vaccine effectiveness measured in case control studies with poor methods.
• 42:01
  Says, we will also revise the annual flu vaccine framework, which is an evidence-based catastrophe of low quality evidence, four surrogate assays, and uncertain vaccine effectiveness measured in case control studies with poor methods.
• 42:19
  Um that is uh again, the flu vaccine that we uh you know can't get away from watching TV or
• 42:20
  That is uh again, the flu vaccine that we uh you know can't get away from watching TV or going by a football game without telling you to get uh that is his uh analysis of the background and the framework for which that vaccine stands.
• 42:43
  Uh we will reappraise safety and be honest in vaccine labels.
• 42:47
  I look forward to hearing your thoughts on how we do this better.
• 42:51
  Additionally, at FDA, we have not been focused on understanding the benefits and harms of given multiple vaccines at the same time.
• 43:00
  Again, this is just like a love letter to everything we've been asking here, um, Stuart.
• 43:05
  Um this is a concern shared by many Americans.
• 43:09
  The FDA's standard has been to require randomized studies too too small to draw any conclusions from creating a false sense of efficacy and safety.
• 43:17
  The staff will be tasked with writing guidelines to reflect these changes, and the mission of SIBER will change to reflect this world view.
• 43:25
  Never again will the US FDA commissioner have to himself find deaths in children for staff to identify it.
• 43:32
  Woo.
• 43:32
  Um vaccines will be treated like all other medications classes, no better or worse than AAV vectors, monoclonal antibodies or anti-sense oglionucleotides.
• 43:45
  So he's talking again about the other things that SIBAR is supposed to be involved in.
• 43:50
  Insofar as vaccines have third party benefits, and many do, this will be judged just like drugs, may have third-party benefits.
• 43:59
  A person who takes an appropriate psychiatric medicine may be a better parent or spouse, but this requires data and cannot be assumed.
• 44:08
  I have seen no evidence that COVID-19 vaccines which do not halt transmission benefit third parties.
• 44:13
  I have no doubt that MMR vaccines do provide third party benefits when administered to high enough fractions of society.
• 44:19
  Having said this, I remain open to vigorous discussions and debate on these topics as I have always been.
• 44:25
  I am open-minded to modification or alterations.
• 44:28
  As you can imagine, I believe these debates should be private, internal to FDA until they are ready to be made public.
• 44:34
  I don't endorse selective reporting of our meeting and documents.
• 44:37
  Some staff may not agree with these four principles and operate team principles.
• 44:42
  Please submit your resignation letters to your supervisor.
• 44:46
  For those who chose choose to remain in SIBER, I look forward to working with you, learning from you, discussing with you, and interacting with you on a shared mission to evaluate vaccine science to 21st century evidence-based medicine.
• 45:00
  Yeah.
• 45:00
  So he's laying it all out on the table there, Seward.
• 45:04
  Yeah.
• 45:04
  A couple of days ago, STAT, which is uh uh, you know, it carries the water for the for the pharma.
• 45:15
  Uh had an article that really was just it's just a disregard, complete disregard for the safety.
• 45:22
  Uh, but uh what several of the comments made it.
• 45:25
  Experts told STET they are skeptical of the memo's extraordinary claim because it was not presented with detailed data.
• 45:34
  Well, they've had five years to look at the data, and they refuse to do it.
• 45:38
  And so it's interesting that they would uh they wouldn't say what they should say if they were honest is we looked at the data and there is no such evidence.
• 45:49
  Right.
• 45:49
  They didn't say that.
• 45:51
  But uh other comments in this were this is a profound revelation, Prasad wrote in the memo, which was obtained by Stat and has since been made available online.
• 46:01
  For the first time, the US FDA will acknowledge that COVID vaccines have killed American children.
• 46:06
  In many cases, such mandates are harmful.
• 46:09
  It is difficult to read cases where kids age six to seventeen may be dead as a result of the COVID vaccine.
• 46:16
  That was a part of his comments earlier in the letter.
• 46:19
  And uh it's unclear what the here's stat.
• 46:23
  It's unclear what the FDA's next steps will be.
• 46:25
  The memo does not contain any information or plans to release more detailed information on the deaths or to publish the result in a medical journal.
• 46:33
  Prasad said the agency would require more definitive data for vaccines administered during pregnancy.
• 46:38
  Right.
• 46:39
  The talk about here you go.
• 46:41
  The talk about purported danger of combined vaccines or multiple vaccines given at the same visit is concerning if applied to ban or unrecomend combo vaccines or require spacing out in a way that greatly reduces uptake and done without evidence of harm.
• 47:00
  So Jeffrey Morris, a professor of public health and preventative medicine at UPenn.
• 47:05
  It was not clear which vaccines Prasad was talking about in any of his comments, such as those related to vaccines given during pregnancy.
• 47:14
  And then, of course, we get the wonderful Paul Offitt saying something.
• 47:18
  But then Michael Osterholm, director of University of Minnesota's Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy, said it's irresponsible science at best, and it's dangerous to the public at the very least.
• 47:34
  And he's talking about the cause of the thoughts.
• 47:39
  It's just horrible.
• 47:41
  These are the classic playbook from their side.
• 47:44
  Yeah.
• 47:44
  Paul Offitt trying to dismiss this like he's done for five years, saying it's a lot of vague hand waving.
• 47:51
  I didn't see I saw a lot of specificity in there.
• 47:54
  Mainly the need to return to safety, Dr.
• 47:57
  Offitt.
• 48:02
  He doesn't.
• 48:15
  The uh he's is again this is off it going off on um something that he thinks is going to be happening pretty soon, but it's interesting to hear his perspective on this, and we'll talk about it after he says it.
• 48:29
  You alter the vaccine injured compensation program and make no doubt about the fact that that is Robert F.
• 48:34
  Kennedy Jr.'s interest.
• 48:36
  He's already hired a law firm out of Arizona that has an expertise in the vaccinatory compensation program with a goal towards altering it.
• 48:44
  And what I predict is going to happen, and so I'm going to make something you should never do on any sort of podcast.
• 48:49
  I'm going to make a prediction.
• 48:50
  Here's my prediction.
• 48:51
  And probably by no later than early next year, maybe the spring of next year, you are going to see Robert F.
• 48:58
  Kennedy holding up some paper that he's going to publish in in a journal that is uh a fringe journal.
• 49:00
  Some paper that he's going to publish in in a journal that is a fringe journal.
• 49:05
  I'll put that nicely.
• 49:05
  I'll put that nicely.
• 49:07
  Um the journal that he uses called Science, Public Health, and the Law, which can publish, which has an editorial board that consists solely of anti vaccine actors.
• 49:07
  And the journal that he uses called Science, Public Health, and the Law, which can publish, which has an editorial board that consists solely of anti-vaccine activists.
• 49:15
  So he's going to publish this paper that says that that aluminum addresses in vaccines are causing harm.
• 49:15
  So he's going to publish this paper that says that aluminum adjuvants in vaccines are causing harm.
• 49:20
  Now, aluminum managements are in seven different vaccines given to young children.
• 49:20
  Now, aluminum managements are in seven different vaccines given to young people.
• 49:24
  I like that Marisol, where you can just go for multidoses and those.
• 49:24
  Well, like I Marisol, where you can just go for multidose and all of those well.
• 49:28
  There's no taking aluminum advocates out of vaccines.
• 49:28
  There's no taking aluminum adjuvants out of vaccines.
• 49:30
  There are certain vaccines that just need adjustments to get a better immune response.
• 49:35
  What he's then going to do is he's going to say, see, it's causing autistic asthma, eczema, whatever.
• 49:40
  And he's going to either add that to the vaccination compensation program, which will break that program, or he will take vaccines out of the uh vaccinatory compensation program and say, I don't think they should get the protection of that program.
• 49:52
  Let's leave it leave them open to the slings and arrows of outrageous civil litigation.
• 49:58
  If you so again, he's kind of exposing the problem.
• 50:04
  Every other product is like that, Paul.
• 50:07
  Um so he's exposing that the second that you allow people to sue for injuries, uh the vaccine program will be at risk.
• 50:22
  Well, again, every other marketed pharmaceutical medicinal product outside of vaccines is exposed to that.
• 50:34
  And they still exist.
• 50:35
  And last time I checked, Stuart Lilly and these companies are doing okay.
• 50:40
  Yeah.
• 50:40
  And um, we make sure their product is what they do good testing on it, they do post-marketing surveillance, they are honest with people on all of the harms and benefits.
• 50:53
  And uh that's where they get protection.
• 50:57
  They get protection by being honest, not protection because the government says they should be protected.
• 51:03
  Yeah, and here's another example in this stat article uh showing the I mean, I really hate the fact that we in science aren't allowed to debate.
• 51:13
  I think the clearest example of it was that sad guy out of Houston, uh Dr.
• 51:20
  Gile sad, sad guy who was on Rogan a couple of years ago, and Rogan just asked him, well, why don't you debate these people?
• 51:27
  No, nope, can't do that.
• 51:30
  Uh the death and destruction from the lack of dialogue for the last six years has just been astounding.
• 51:37
  It's been so obvious.
• 51:39
  And uh anyways, in this article, they talk about in 2023, JAMA had a paper that showed 821 people age 19 and under.
• 51:50
  It's interesting, 19 is included in that, but uh the you know, from July of 21 through 22, 821 people uh died from COVID.
• 52:02
  Well, uh really do we do we have the autopsies that uh validate that?
• 52:10
  Okay, yeah, good.
• 52:11
  Well, I I can appreciate that.
• 52:13
  I've never said that COVID wasn't potentially dangerous or injurious to anybody.
• 52:19
  Uh but the risk you gotta look at I'll tell you, they I can almost guarantee I don't know this for sure, but I doubt they did the legwork that Tracy Beth Hogue would do for or even required to do for the vaccine deaths, right?
• 52:36
  So what why why do we get to throw a number up based on you know this was attached to a death certificate versus uh you know doing the rigorous analysis to prove what Tracy had to prove.
• 52:54
  Yeah.
• 52:55
  And um the the whole point is this lack of safety, concern for safety, has just become so pervasive without the uh throughout the FDA, and not only with these vaccines, but if he's talking about junk journal science, let's remind everybody of to me, one of the most important articles written in JAMA throughout all this was in 2020, initially published in June, and then in October the 7th, it was uh confirmed, you know, it was uh presented in JAMA unedited.
• 53:31
  And it said, you know, if you have a mandates, if you mandate these shots, you have to have six metrics met.
• 53:38
  Overarching all of them was informed consent.
• 53:41
  So that's not according to this guy, junk sci uh uh junk journal, but um they none of those six were met, and certainly informed consent was not met when these things came out and when they were mandated.
• 53:56
  Uh it's just uh they don't want to debate because they would lose, like Dr.
• 54:02
  Scott, you know, the the simple most important thing to me for anybody to watch to expose these people is none other than the Dr.
• 54:12
  Scott uh debacle for their side, when Dr.
• 54:17
  When Senator Ron Johnson asked him if he knows how the shots work, and he didn't.
• 54:22
  You know how the shots work, how they're designed.
• 54:27
  And uh if you want to watch that four-minute segment of that three-hour hearing, I would encourage everybody to watch it, but they don't care.
• 54:35
  They're just blinded by this uh, I don't know if it's greed, it probably is to an extent.
• 54:41
  So, well, it's it's it's an assumption of something that we again were taught, um, and it leads to without actually having discussion about something.
• 54:58
  If you give something a name and tell somebody it does something, and you're never really allowed to ask, and I will tell you having a nine-year-old almost 10-year-old that I get to do a lot of stuff with, uh, being asked about how I know what I know is one of the most revealing things to me, and it's uncomfortable.
• 55:19
  And I think um sometimes those are the questions that we need to be asked.
• 55:25
  Uh and uh I think instead of being defensive, they're revealing of our lack of knowledge.
• 55:32
  If we are a just culture, if we turn back and humble ourselves, uh 2 Chronicles 7, 14, and 15, if we will humble ourselves and seek the truth and repent, there is great days ahead.
• 55:46
  But if we don't, if we keep going down this uh tragic course where there is no hope, uh other than just mandates and dictates from authorities on highlight Dr.
• 56:00
  Dr.
• 56:00
  Paul Loffitt.
• 56:00
  Paul Loffitt, uh, it's it's not gonna turn out well.
• 56:02
  It's it's not going to turn out well.
• 56:04
  And I hate it for these people that have the hubris to believe they don't they should never be questioned.
• 56:04
  And I hate it for these people that have the hubris to believe they don't they should never be questioned.
• 56:09
  Uh it's clearly not science.
• 56:10
  It's clearly not science.
• 56:12
  I am hopeful, as are you, that uh with the all's group and others that uh science is gonna turn back to the foundations based in humility and and a desire for truth.
• 56:12
  I am hopeful, as are you, that uh with Y'all's group and others that uh science is going to turn back to the foundations based in humility and and a desire for truth.
• 56:26
  With that, again, this is Dr.
• 56:26
  With that, again, this is Dr.
• 56:27
  Jordan Vaughn, Dr.
• 56:27
  Jordan Vaughn, Dr.
• 56:28
  Stuart Tinkersley with America Out Loud Pulse.
• 56:28
  Stuart Tinkersley with the
• 56:32
  Always one beat ahead.
• 56:34
  We look forward to the advent of our Savior.
• 56:38
  And we'll continue forward as the year uh ends.
• 56:44
  Amen.