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It's news Talk tonight on the iHeartRadio Talk Network. Welcome back everyone on Richard
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Kraus in for Jim Richards Jim. We'll be back in the big chair on
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Monday. I'm here through till Friday, keeping you updated on what's going on
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in the world, happening all around us, the big old world that spins
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around us, sometimes out of control, but we'll try and make some sense
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of it in the rundown with my two very special guests, Steven Murdoch,
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VP Enterprise Canada that's a PR firm, and John led Ke, radio and
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podcast host in Windsor, Ontario, business consultant and former cannabis entrepreneur. Welcome
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to the show. Thanks Richard, Thank you. So this is a sad
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story that we're starting with. The Children's Hospital in Hamilton says it has paused
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tonsil and adnoid surgical proceeds after two patient deaths in the last two months.
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McMaster Children's Hospital says it's going through a comprehensive review with the department's program out
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of an abundance of caution, after reporting that a pair of patients died following
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discharge from tonsol and adnoid related surgery. Earlier in the day, doctor Mitch
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was on talking about this. Let's hear what he has to say and then
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I'll get your reaction, something like this is very rare. Yes, you
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can have a complication after ton selecting, you can have bleeding, you can
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have infection, you can have other problems, but God forbid to have someone
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die as a result of a ton select to me or adenoidectomy extremely rare.
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And that's why they're taking these cases so seriously, and that's why they're having
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an independent review, and that's why, to their credit, they're being open
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about all this. I think it's really important that we understand what happened and
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why this happened, and oftentimes there are legitimate, valid medical reasons behind what's
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happened, either because of underlying health issues or other things that have happened.
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Stephen, this sounds to me like McMaster Children's Hospital is getting it right here.
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This is a terrible tragedy with the two deaths, but being transparent about
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it and being open about it seems to be the best method of moving forward.
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Transparency in this situation is everything. First off, it's absolutely heartbreaking for
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the families to have to be going through this. I do credit the hospital
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for, as your guest said earlier, for being open and transparent in terms
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of what's happening. You know, credit to the hospital for reviewing this and
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pausing the procedures. I think everybody would want that positive procedures until we figure
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out what's going on, and for added layer of security and for the public
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to feel that, you know, this may not happen again or less likelihood.
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Is maybe a bit of a provincial probe into this, and so we
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can understand and what went wrong and most importantly make sure it doesn't happen again.
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John, I think that this is a really good reminder that anytime you
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go to the hospital for any kind of procedure, it's serious. I've had
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a lot of surgeries over the last ten years. I've had small ones,
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I've had major ones, and every time I go in, I always think,
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well, you know, I'm going to put myself in the hands of
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these doctors. I trust them, I'm ready to submit to this, and
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it needs in each case all these things needed to be done to me.
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But if I was going in to get my tonsils out, I might be
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a little bit less concerned about it. Oh, they must do this one
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hundred times a day. This isn't as big a deal. I think this
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displays that every time you go into the hospital, you should think it's a
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big deal. You are absolutely right. We do our risk assessment when you
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walk into the hospital, hopefully of your own volition, and there of course
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times when you go into a hospital and it's not of your own volition,
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but if you do have that opportunity to do the risk assessment, I'm with
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you on that one. When I broke my wrist and I was going to
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go into the hospital, I knew what the outcome was likely going to be,
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but you wouldn't expect something like this. And the biggest thing is the
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need to maintain trust of the public and the community. I think that they're
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doing that for the reasons that have been mentioned in regards to transparency and the
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pause. And this is just absolutely horrific, and you know, my heart
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goes out to the families that are affected by this, and there's obviously a
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need here for the hospital to do its investigation and get a hold of things,
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and then there will be a role for the Ministry, of course at
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a later date as well as things move forward. The Bank of Canada has
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cut its overnight rate by twenty five basis points, a move that they haven't
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done since the beginning of the pandemic. Wednesday's announcement puts the policy rate at
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four point seventy five percent, down from the five percent it's been sitting since
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July of last year, and Christian Freeland says that this is really great news.
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The Bank of Canada's decision to lower the interest rate truly is welcome news
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for Canada and for Canadians. Our government has an economically responsible plan. We
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have been working really hard to create the economic conditions which would make it possible
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for the Bank to lower rates, and today we see the fruit of that
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hard work. Stephen, do you agree with Christian Freeland or is it too
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soon to tell. I think it's too soon to tell. I think,
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you know. I was watching some of the social media chatter, and I
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guess, depending on where you are financially, some of the people, some
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people felt that it wasn't enough. Some people were happy that it was something.
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You know, I always tend to look at people who are struggling,
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and these small interest rate cuts help help a lot of people. There are
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a lot of people who who will say maybe a couple hundred extra dollars every
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month, And to some people that may be nothing, but to others it
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is something. It's literally one of the things that time will tell whether or
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not we've done it too quickly. I know they have a target of two
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percent, and the Bank of Canada, which has a lot more smarter people
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than I, seem to think that we're headed in the right traction. So
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I'm going to put a little level of trust in them. John, I'll
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let you take this in any direction that you want. You know, I
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think it's probably pretty good news, but I will tell you that the inner
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workings of this kind of thing are sort of mysterious to me. A lot
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of times I look at my bank account at the end of the week,
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the month, maybe at the end of the year, and go, Okay,
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maybe that was good for me. But I'll tell you I'm not one
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for analysis on this sort of thing. Well, you've come to the wrong
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person as well for me. But I can do my best to muster through
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this. Look. We know that, as Stephen was saying, this is
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going to help people immediately in their pocketbooks. Is it going to be a
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huge amount For some people, it's going to be hip mar For some people
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it's not going to be that big of a deal. But it's a trend
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towards the right direction. I think the Feds obviously want this to mean a
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lot more than it is. They're going to signal that, of course,
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because they want to try to get ahead of the terribly depressing poll numbers that
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we keep seeing day after day. But as I said, we're going in
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the right direction with it. We'll have to see how things look a month
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from now. The governor was a bit coi with things today, but it's
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a wait and see on these issues. Canada has issued a new travel advisory
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for Italy and says to quote, exercise a high degree of caution. The
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theft of items from vehicles is very common. Thieves often target rental cars.
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They may use just action techniques or simulate accidents. Theft's a current gas stations,
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highway service areas, parking lots. I mean, it goes on and
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on and on. There's a fair amount of warnings involved here. But Stephen,
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it sounds like they could be talking about Canada as well. This doesn't
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really seem like it's specific to Italy. Yeah, Richard, this could be
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any any part of Canada. To be honest with you, when I see
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these travel lists and things, it honestly seems as though the countries are getting
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longer. The list of countries is getting longer and longer. I was reading
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a piece on blog TiO the other day and they were listening all these countries
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like Italy, and I'm like, really, And then you sit back and
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you think everything that's happening in the world, there's a lot of people struggling
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across the globe. We shouldn't be surprised that the new reality is going to
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be this list is going to get longer, longer. In places that you
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never expected to be on the list will be on the list. John,
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will you be taking a trip to Italy anytime soon? Has this travel advisory
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put you off traveling? It doesn't put me off traveling, No. But
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I think that we are in a very different time period than we were ten
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years ago, fifteen years ago, which is a very interesting thing to say,
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quite frankly, considering what I'm speaking back to, the fact of the
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matter is is we've seen terrorist attacks in Russia within recent months, and it's
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not surprising that when we're looking at some of these travel advisories. Terrorism is
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on the list here as well, so as the government's job is, they're
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going to continue to put out these advisories. But it's, you know,
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it's a wait and see, same as before. You're listening to the Rundown
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on News Talk Tonight Stephen Murdoch, John Lenk or my guests. When we
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come back, we're going to talk about transit strikes, two words that put
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a lot of fear into anyone that has to take the bus or the subway
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or anything else like that. Public transit wives. We'll get to the bottom
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of what's going to happen in Toronto when we come back. I'm Richard Krau
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in for Jim Richards. You're listening to News Talk Tonight on the iHeartRadio Talk
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Network, and I'm Richard Krouz sitting in for Jim Richards. Jim will be
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back on Monday. Never fear can't keep that guy away, but I'll be
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here till Friday, keeping you up to date on everything that's happening in the
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big old world around us. Right now, you're listening to the Rundown on
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News Talk Tonight with my guests Stephen Murdoch, VP Enterprise Canada, Big PR
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firm and John Letke, radio and podcast host in Windsor, Ontario, business
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consultant and former cannabis entrepreneur. So neither of you are in Toronto, so
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you may be unscathed by what I think is very likely going to happen here
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on Friday morning, which will be a TTC strike. So the strike deadline
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is looming. The shair of the TTC board remain confident on Wednesday on today
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that a tentative deal will be reached, but he said writers should have a
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plan B in case of a serviced disruption on Friday. Speaking to reporters on
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Wednesday afternoon, Jamal Myers, who's a counselor, said there have been steady
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or there had been steady progress at the bargaining table, pointing to the agreement
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reached between the TTC and the ATU Local one thirteen this week to keep wheel
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trans service running if the strike goes ahead. So there's a lot of things
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to break down though. This idea that we should have a plan B,
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John, is that good advice or is it a veiled threat. It's a
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veiled threat and it's a slap in the face because there is no Plan B
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whatsoever. I don't understand how we live in a province as a result of
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the court ruling that says that the TTC is not an essential service. But
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here in Windsor, during the pandemic, our mayor was one of the i
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think the only one in North America who shut down our transit service and the
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same arguments were made that no, this is essential. I don't know how
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you rectify that disparity. But tell someone who needs to get to work or
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who needs to get across the city as quickly as possible because they're having a
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family emergency that the TTC isn't essential, and they're going to look at you
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with glazed over eyes or an irate face, Stephen. The city is kind
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of a mess in terms of the amount of construction that is happening, not
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only on the gardener but on so many of our roads. It's hard to
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drive around. The traffic is ridiculous. So for me, public transportation is
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just kind of the go to. It's the fastest, better option, even
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with the slow downs. And you know some of the things that have happened
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on the TTC recently at the Toronto Transit Commission recently. Even with all that
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stuff, it's better than driving around. It's only going to get nightmare if
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the strike actually happens. Do you think that they should have been considered an
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essential service? I certainly do. I think they certainly should be an essential
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service. You know, I used to be one of those people that used
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to commute in the Toronto pre pre excuse me, pandemic two three times a
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week. And as you said, it is getting worse and worse. We've
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got the gardener down to two lanes. You go down Bay Street. Construction,
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it's just happening everywhere. And so I laugh when he said have a
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plan B. You might want to have a plan C, D and E.
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I mean, you know, if you're what is it. Are you
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going to take an uber? Are you going to take a cab? Are
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you going to ride your bike? Are you going to walk? Are you
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going to work from home? I think if you're in a position that you
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can work from home, you should most certainly work from home. Because I
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try to be an optimist on these kind of things. But I very much
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doubt that a deal will be made and people are going to be put in
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a situation we're all going to be We're all going to be watching social media
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seeing those pictures of people clamoring to get to get an Uber and a cabs.
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It's going to be an ugly community either way. Yeah. And I'm
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just looking at the weather here. It's supposed to rain on Friday, so
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you're going to see a lot of wet people standing on the street trying to
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get an Uber or a cab. Although, and I'll stay with you for
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a second, Steven. As a PR move, I think Uber has done
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something really smart and they've come out and said, you know what, we're
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going to cap surge pricing. If the TTC strike moves ahead, we're going
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to get all available drivers out there. You know, this is a company
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that gets a lot of bad press. This is a company that gets slapped
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around a little bit for their surge pricing, which means that the price is
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getting more expensive if it's raining, if there's not as many cars out,
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all that kind of thing. And they're saying, you know what, we're
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going to cap that. We're going to try and do the right thing.
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I think it's a brilliant PR move. It is an excellent PR move.
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I mean, here, you have a lot of people who are expecting to
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be gouged given the fact that given the fact to the strike. But here's
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Uber getting ahead of the story and saying, number one, people, we
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are not going to and be charging you more. There will be a cap
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on this urage. And number two, they're also giving incentives to their drivers
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to encourage them to jump in their vehicles and help move people around the core.
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So very very smart move on their part and build It'll build some good
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community goodwill. John, what do you think about the union who says,
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oh, yeah, absolutely, people will support this strike. They'll support the
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TTC going out on strike because they want their workers to be respected, and
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you know, they want the best possible deal and outcome for all the workers
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that are working for the TTC. And I certainly want them to be respected
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and I want them to be happy when they go to work. But if
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I have to walk down here Friday in the rain because I can't get a
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cab or an Uber, I'm not going to be terribly happy about it.
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Oh. I think the best way to foster good will, win friends,
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and influence people is to cause delays, potentially make someone miss an appointment,
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not be able to get to work on time, maybe miss an entire shift.
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That's how you garner support. No, of course not this is it's
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ludicrous. But what else are they supposed to say in the face of this.
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They need to keep the supporters that they do have. Hopefully maybe they
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can pick up I don't know, maybe enough to fill one street car out
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of the entire city, get a few more supporters. But listen, you're
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not going to win friends by going and causing massive inconveniences. But that's the
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hard part. And I think though it is important that people do recognize and
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understand that if this does happen and then the strike occurs, strikes are still
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labor peace, Like, this is the negotiated outcome that we've come to in
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a civilized society. Before we had unions and striking, labor action was very
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different. It typically involved pitchforks. So a strike is still labor piece though
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it doesn't feel like it. Christine Hubbard at Beck Taxi says that you know,
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Beck is going to do what they can just to prepare for the TTC
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strike, speaking to friends and acquaintances kind of like, oh, so what
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are you going to do when the strike happens, or if a strike happens.
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You're like, well, so the issue now is people will be waiting
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at bus stops wondering why the bus isn't coming, and I you know,
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luckily taxi drivers have the ability to pick up flags from the street, so
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my expectation is that they're going to be going stop to stop. Let's talk
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a little bit about Uh, we've got a few minutes here. Three women
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diagnosed with HIV after vampire facials at an unlicensed US spa. So I had
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to look up what a vampire facial was. A vampire facial typically takes about
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an hour to complete. The procedure begins with a blood draw, followed by
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the processing of the blood to separate platelets. Then the platelets are reinjected into
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the face using micro needling or injections. The entire process usually takes about an
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hour. And you know, that seems like something that I would never even
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consider in one hundred yours to do, but apparently it's a popular wish procedure.
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Stephen, You know, is this the kind of thing that I mean,
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these the spas that we're doing this were unlicensed. I mean, should
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when we see someone that says, you know, grund license, but we
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know what we're doing. Should you just take their word for it? I
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think that probably says. Now I'm going to say a big note of that
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one. I mean, at what point you know, first off, if
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you're going to do something like this, find out if they're a license or
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unlicensed BA, figure out who's going to be actually working on you. And
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to be honest with you, this highlights, you know, things, things
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can happen, and people go in for procedures like tummy tucks and procedures that
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maybe aren't necessary and things go wrong, right, so that you always hear
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those stories. And I had a family member that went through that and she
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passed on from going in from a procedure. And it happens, and you
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have to be fully cognizant of the dangers that come with it, and especially
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when you're dealing with people who aren't licensed and probably don't have safety procedures and
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balances and checks in place. Yeah, you got to do your homework people,
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John, I'll give you a chance to respond. On the other side
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of the break. You're listening to The Rundown on News Talk Tonight with Stephen
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Murdoch, VP, Enterprise Canada that's a PR firm, and John Letke radio
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and podcast host in Windsor, Ontario, a business consultant and former cannabis entrepreneur.
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When we come back, we will continue a little bit anyway, talking
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about vampire facials, a good idea, yay or nay. We'll also talk
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about Zachary Quintel being rude to some restaurant employees, had a little bit of
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forest bathing, a little bit of everything coming up on News Talk Tonight.
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I'm Richard Krouse sitting in for Jim Richards Stay me Boss, more to come.
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News Talk Tonight continues on the iHeartRadio Talk Network and I'm Richard Krouse sitting
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in for Jim Richard's Jim. We'll be back on Monday. We're in the
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midst of the rundown. That's where we bring in people like Steven Murdoch,
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the VP of Enterprise Canada, and John Letke radio and podcast host in Windsor,
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Ontario, also a business consultant and former cannabis entrepreneur, to break down
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some of the big stories of the day. And we were just talking before
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we left. Stephen had commented on the story about three women diagnosed with HIV
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after vampire facials at an unlicensed US spat and a vampire facial if you missed,
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the description is essentially taking blood, breaking down the platelets, and reinjecting
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it with needles back into this in and as revitalizes you. Apparently kind of
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like I don't know, those British monarchs hundreds of years ago that used to
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bathe in the blood of virgins and things, I guess, but this had
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kind of a terrible outcome as three people have been diagnosed with HIV. John,
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is this just if we didn't need another reminder that we need to be
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reminded again that you have to look for the license before you have anything like
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this done. Oh yeah, absolutely, there's a reason why red tape exists.
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You know. The mantra of a lot of governments is let's start cutting
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the red tape. And I understand that these this business, these people didn't
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even bother to go and get licensed, but this speaks to the need to
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have very strict procedures when it comes to something like this. Again, a
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very tragic story, but it speaks to what we were talking about in regards
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to the first story that we had regarding tonsils. If you're going to have
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any type of procedure that is invasive and has to do with your body,
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you should make sure that you are going to a reputable place to have it
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done. And I guess buyer beware is probably the takeaway here, but it
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shouldn't be this bad an outcome. There's a headline that caught our eye forest
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bathing. What is it and why some Alberta doctors are recommending it? So
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apparently, forest bathing is kind of like forest therapy. You go to the
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woods. It's more than just a walk in the woods. It is something
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about really connecting with nature, with the animals, with the trees, with
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the air, with everything else. It originated in Japan in the nineteen eighties
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and it's therapeutic relaxation. To me, it feels like, I mean,
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I grew up in a rural place. There were woods all around us.
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Sometimes the woods were terrifying if there were bears, other times not so much.
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But I'm not sure that I get the idea of relaxation of going there
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and sort of reconnecting with nature. But I don't know. Forest bathing to
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me sounds like something that my you know, like hippie aunts and uncles would
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have told me about in the seventies. Steven, what do you think,
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Well, I'm first off, I'm glad I read the article because, to
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be honest, when I saw the lead forest bathing, I jumped in my
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car. I was fully expecting to get nude and laid down in the forest,
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and then I read the article. I'm like, oh, that's not
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what it is. Yeah, I'm like you, I'm surrounded. I've got
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areas that are forested around me. It is kind of hippyish. I think
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at the end of the day, especially during COVID, we saw that where
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people were getting out moving around. I think we've gotten back to just sitting
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at our desks all day and working and doing what we have to do.
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But I think at the end of the day, anything that gets you out
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moving around, whether that's in a forest or anywhere else, it can't be
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a bad thing to spend some time outsided with nature. John and I live
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right downtown in the midst of a big city, so I don't get to
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the forestry often. But I can tell you that when I go out for
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a walk, if I see a little dog, I can feel my blood
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pressure lowering. So maybe that's my version of this. What do you think
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does go into the woods? Does it feel like something that's going to relax
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you, make you feel a little bit better about the world. Oh?
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Absolutely. If the studies show that if you can get and spend fifteen minutes
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just in nature, whether it's just looking at a water or looking at some
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grass, it does exactly what you said about the dog. Your blood pressure
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lowers, you start to feel a little bit better about things, your mind
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can clear. I'm blessed down here in Windsor. We've got the Detroit River
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and a gorgeous riverfront trail that extends about seven kilometers from the bridge to Higher
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Walker, and I use that often to go for some pretty great walks on
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a daily basis. But one of the big things we're doing down here is
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getting our Ojibwe Urban National PARTNY Nature Park, and that's going to be so
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wonderful to have because it's going to actually put a forest in our city center
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for the most part, and I think that everyone should have that kind of
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an opportunity. So I don't know why they're calling it forrest bathing. I'm
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with Steven. I thought that this was people getting nude and going for a
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walk in the forest. But you know, I guess if they're doing it
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in closed, that's good too. As long as people are getting relaxed.
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Perhaps Zachary Quinto could use a forest bath. It's been reported that he went
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to a restaurant in Toronto, kind of you know, a nice hip place,
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and he was upset that he wasn't seated right away. He was upset
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that there were empty tables in the dining room that weren't available for him.
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They were reserved, so they weren't going to be given away. The restaurant
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says he yelled at the staff like an entitled child after he didn't apply to
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two texts to inform him that his table was ready. And I have all
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and I worked in bars and restaurants for a long time, and I've always
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thought that you can tell the and I should also say I wasn't there.
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I didn't see him do any of this, So, you know, Zachary,
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I hope you didn't do this. But people seem to be corroborating the
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story. But I think you can tell a lot about people by the way
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they treat service staff. Stephen, if you were to go out on a
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date with someone and they were rude to a waiter. Does it color the
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way you think about that person? Yeah, most certainly. I was brought
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up. Manners are number one. Yeah, I would judge you by how
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you treat white staff. You treat everybody the same. And I give a
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lot of credit to the restaurant for sticking up for their staff, because there
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are a lot of those restaurants, those hoity toity restaurants who would have said
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to the staff, you know, bend over and you know, be out
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there back in call. But you know, kudos to his restaurant. If
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you work there, there's a high level of pride, no knowing that management
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has your back. So I give a lot of credit to the restaurant for
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calling out bad behavior. And you know, the hope is that other people
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will come in and say, you know what, I should be treating staff
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like this. Zachary Quinto is banned from this restaurant. John was that the
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right way to go? It sounds like it was if what the reports are
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is true, and it sounds like it was corroborated by people who were there
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as well, not just the business the restaurant itself. But listen, Spock
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might be logical, but it seems as if Zachary Quinto is not. I'm
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with both of you, though. You got to treat your hosts that you
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have anyone in the hospitality and to speaking Heck, I'm gonna you know,
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I'll go as far as Steven did. I don't know why. I'll be
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so brave. Treat everyone the way you would like to be treated. To
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go back to the simplest rule that there really is. There's no reason to
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be looking down on people or to be elevating yourself up to such a higher
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level. And maybe if it is true that this happened, and Zachary Quinto
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is used to having, you know, front of line white glove experiences wherever
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he is, that this is maybe a good opportunity and he can walk away
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a little bit humble. Okay, less than a minute. I think the
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world is split down the middle. There are evil people who abandon their shopping
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carts and parking lots and everywhere else, and then there are those who return
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the shopping cart to their berths. Steven, are you an abandoner or are
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you someone that puts the shopping cart back? I always put the shopping cart
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back. Factual, you go to any camera at any shopping mall, grocery
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store, and you will always see me putting the cart back John, Yes
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or no car every single time. Yes, I'd like to hear that from
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both of you, because I'm the guy that not only puts the cart back,
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but I kind of straighten them up too. I make sure they're nice
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for the next person. Thanks so much for that. That was Stephen Murdoch
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and John Lek on the rundown. I'm Richard Krause sitting in for Jim Richards.
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He will be back on Monday, but until then, it's aw me
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all the time. Stay with me, lasts moren come