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S7, Ep 105: Changing the Narrative: Robbie Kroger’s Mission with The Origins Foundation · The Articulate Fly

• 0:03
  Hey
• 0:04
  folks,
• 0:04
  it's
• 0:04
  Marvin
• 0:05
  Cash,
• 0:05
  the
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  host
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  of
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  The
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  Articulate
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  Fly.
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  On
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  this
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  episode,
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  I'm
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  joined
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  by
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  Robbie
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  Kroger,
• 0:10
  the
• 0:10
  founder
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  and
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  Executive
• 0:11
  Director
• 0:11
  of
• 0:12
  The
• 0:12
  Origins
• 0:12
  Foundation.
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  Robbie's
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  vision
• 0:14
  is
• 0:14
  to
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  advocate
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  for
• 0:15
  hunters
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  by
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  promoting
• 0:16
  sustainable
• 0:17
  use
• 0:17
  of
• 0:17
  wildlife
• 0:18
  and
• 0:18
  communicating
• 0:19
  specifically
• 0:20
  to
• 0:20
  non
• 0:20
  hunters.
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  Join
• 0:21
  me
• 0:22
  as
• 0:22
  Robbie
• 0:22
  shares
• 0:22
  his
• 0:22
  hunting
• 0:23
  journey,
• 0:23
  the
• 0:24
  underpinnings
• 0:24
  of
• 0:24
  his
• 0:24
  approach
• 0:25
  at
• 0:25
  Origins,
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  and
• 0:26
  the
• 0:26
  great
• 0:26
  work
• 0:26
  Origins
• 0:27
  is
• 0:27
  doing
• 0:27
  around
• 0:28
  the
• 0:28
  globe.
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  Think
• 0:29
  you're
• 0:29
  really
• 0:29
  going
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  to
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  enjoy
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  this
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  one,
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  but
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  before
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  we
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  get
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  to
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  the
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  interview,
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  just
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  a
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  couple
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  items.
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  It
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  really
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  us
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  out.
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  And
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  as
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  2026
• 0:44
  approaches,
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  just
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  a
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  reminder
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  interview.
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  Well
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  Robbie,
• 1:40
  welcome
• 1:40
  to
• 1:41
  The
• 1:41
  Articulate
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  Fly.
• 1:43
  Marvin,
• 1:43
  thank
• 1:43
  you.
• 1:43
  I
• 1:44
  appreciate
• 1:44
  the
• 1:44
  opportunity.
• 1:45
  I
• 1:45
  know
• 1:45
  it's
• 1:45
  been
• 1:46
  a
• 1:46
  little
• 1:46
  bit
• 1:46
  of
• 1:47
  a
• 1:47
  schedule
• 1:48
  mumble
• 1:48
  jumble
• 1:49
  to
• 1:49
  try
• 1:49
  and
• 1:49
  get
• 1:49
  me
• 1:50
  to
• 1:50
  this
• 1:51
  point
• 1:51
  and
• 1:51
  I
• 1:51
  appreciate
• 1:52
  the
• 1:52
  patience.
• 1:52
  But
• 1:53
  here
• 1:53
  we
• 1:53
  are.
• 1:53
  It's
• 1:54
  all
• 1:54
  good.
• 1:54
  I
• 1:54
  mean,
• 1:54
  you
• 1:54
  were
• 1:54
  telling
• 1:55
  me
• 1:55
  your
• 1:55
  travel
• 1:55
  schedule.
• 1:56
  You're
• 1:56
  going
• 1:56
  to
• 1:56
  be
• 1:56
  in
• 1:56
  multiple
• 1:57
  continents
• 1:58
  for
• 1:58
  just
• 1:59
  a
• 1:59
  span
• 1:59
  of
• 1:59
  about
• 1:59
  two
• 1:59
  weeks.
• 2:00
  I
• 2:00
  know
• 2:00
  you're
• 2:00
  traveling.
• 2:00
  You're
• 2:01
  probably
• 2:01
  a
• 2:01
  million
• 2:01
  miler
• 2:02
  on
• 2:02
  some
• 2:02
  airline,
• 2:02
  right?
• 2:04
  I'm
• 2:04
  not
• 2:04
  a
• 2:04
  million
• 2:05
  miler
• 2:05
  yet
• 2:06
  because
• 2:06
  I
• 2:06
  was
• 2:07
  in
• 2:07
  the
• 2:07
  beginning
• 2:08
  of
• 2:08
  our
• 2:08
  travel
• 2:09
  I
• 2:09
  wasn't
• 2:09
  very
• 2:09
  loyal
• 2:10
  to
• 2:10
  one
• 2:11
  airline.
• 2:11
  I
• 2:11
  just
• 2:11
  sort
• 2:12
  of
• 2:12
  picked
• 2:12
  wherever
• 2:12
  we
• 2:12
  could
• 2:13
  go
• 2:13
  because
• 2:13
  we
• 2:13
  had
• 2:13
  no
• 2:13
  money,
• 2:14
  right?
• 2:14
  So
• 2:14
  it
• 2:14
  was
• 2:16
  I
• 2:16
  would
• 2:16
  get
• 2:16
  the
• 2:17
  cheapest,
• 2:17
  cheapest,
• 2:17
  cheapest
• 2:18
  ticket
• 2:18
  or
• 2:18
  we
• 2:18
  would
• 2:19
  drive
• 2:19
  everywhere
• 2:21
  really.
• 2:21
  I
• 2:21
  put
• 2:22
  you
• 2:22
  talk
• 2:22
  about
• 2:23
  Million
• 2:23
  Miler.
• 2:24
  My
• 2:24
  truck
• 2:25
  had
• 2:26
  230,000
• 2:27
  miles
• 2:28
  on
• 2:28
  it.
• 2:28
  And
• 2:28
  it
• 2:28
  was
• 2:28
  like
• 2:29
  an
• 2:29
  eight
• 2:29
  year
• 2:29
  old
• 2:29
  truck
• 2:30
  bought
• 2:30
  brand
• 2:30
  new.
• 2:32
  So
• 2:32
  we
• 2:32
  put
• 2:33
  the
• 2:33
  miles
• 2:33
  on
• 2:33
  the
• 2:33
  road.
• 2:35
  But
• 2:35
  yeah,
• 2:35
  I
• 2:35
  think
• 2:36
  I'm
• 2:36
  a
• 2:37
  Delta
• 2:37
  guy.
• 2:37
  So
• 2:37
  Delta
• 2:38
  is
• 2:38
  my
• 2:38
  hub.
• 2:38
  Out
• 2:39
  of
• 2:39
  Memphis,
• 2:40
  head
• 2:40
  into
• 2:40
  Atlanta
• 2:41
  that
• 2:41
  way.
• 2:41
  And
• 2:42
  we're
• 2:43
  certainly
• 2:43
  loyal
• 2:43
  now.
• 2:44
  And
• 2:44
  every
• 2:45
  year
• 2:45
  we're
• 2:45
  probably
• 2:45
  diamond
• 2:46
  medallion
• 2:46
  by
• 2:47
  the
• 2:47
  middle
• 2:47
  of
• 2:47
  March.
• 2:48
  So
• 2:49
  we
• 2:49
  travel
• 2:50
  a
• 2:50
  lot.
• 2:50
  Yeah,
• 2:51
  well,
• 2:51
  the
• 2:51
  important
• 2:51
  thing
• 2:51
  is
• 2:51
  to
• 2:52
  get
• 2:52
  those
• 2:52
  flat
• 2:52
  seats
• 2:53
  for
• 2:53
  all
• 2:53
  that
• 2:53
  transatlantic
• 2:54
  flight.
• 2:54
  Right?
• 2:55
  Well,
• 2:55
  I
• 2:55
  don't
• 2:56
  get
• 2:56
  those.
• 2:56
  We
• 2:56
  are
• 2:57
  not
• 2:57
  that
• 2:57
  kind
• 2:57
  of
• 2:57
  nonprofit.
• 3:00
  So
• 3:01
  I
• 3:01
  get
• 3:01
  a
• 3:02
  nicer
• 3:02
  seat
• 3:02
  than
• 3:03
  the
• 3:03
  cattle
• 3:03
  class,
• 3:04
  but
• 3:04
  that's
• 3:05
  about
• 3:05
  it.
• 3:06
  Fair
• 3:06
  enough.
• 3:06
  Well,
• 3:06
  before
• 3:07
  we
• 3:07
  dive
• 3:07
  into
• 3:07
  the
• 3:07
  Origins
• 3:08
  Foundation,
• 3:08
  I
• 3:08
  wanted
• 3:09
  to
• 3:09
  learn
• 3:10
  a
• 3:10
  little
• 3:10
  bit
• 3:10
  more
• 3:10
  about
• 3:10
  what
• 3:11
  initially
• 3:11
  drew
• 3:11
  you
• 3:11
  to
• 3:12
  the
• 3:12
  outdoors.
• 3:13
  You
• 3:14
  know,
• 3:14
  in
• 3:14
  South
• 3:15
  Africa,
• 3:15
  a
• 3:15
  boy
• 3:15
  growing
• 3:16
  up
• 3:16
  in
• 3:16
  South
• 3:16
  Africa,
• 3:17
  you
• 3:17
  know,
• 3:17
  you,
• 3:17
  you
• 3:18
  love
• 3:18
  the
• 3:18
  bush,
• 3:18
  you
• 3:19
  love
• 3:19
  nature,
• 3:19
  you
• 3:20
  love
• 3:20
  seeing
• 3:20
  all
• 3:20
  these,
• 3:20
  all
• 3:21
  the
• 3:21
  wildlife.
• 3:22
  And
• 3:23
  you
• 3:24
  know,
• 3:24
  kids
• 3:24
  in
• 3:24
  America
• 3:25
  aspire.
• 3:25
  Young
• 3:26
  boys
• 3:26
  or
• 3:26
  young
• 3:26
  girls
• 3:27
  aspire
• 3:27
  to
• 3:27
  be,
• 3:28
  I'll
• 3:28
  just
• 3:29
  call
• 3:29
  it
• 3:29
  young
• 3:29
  boys
• 3:29
  aspire
• 3:30
  to
• 3:30
  be
• 3:30
  firefighters
• 3:31
  and
• 3:31
  policemen
• 3:32
  and
• 3:32
  all
• 3:32
  that
• 3:32
  kind
• 3:33
  of
• 3:33
  stuff.
• 3:33
  But
• 3:33
  so
• 3:34
  in
• 3:34
  South
• 3:34
  Africa,
• 3:34
  we
• 3:34
  want
• 3:35
  to
• 3:35
  be
• 3:35
  the
• 3:35
  same
• 3:35
  thing,
• 3:36
  but
• 3:36
  we
• 3:36
  also
• 3:36
  want
• 3:37
  to
• 3:37
  be
• 3:37
  a
• 3:37
  game
• 3:37
  ranger.
• 3:38
  We
• 3:38
  want
• 3:39
  to
• 3:39
  be
• 3:39
  that
• 3:39
  guy
• 3:39
  that
• 3:39
  drives
• 3:40
  people
• 3:40
  around,
• 3:41
  drives
• 3:41
  American
• 3:41
  tourists
• 3:42
  around
• 3:42
  and
• 3:42
  shows
• 3:43
  them
• 3:43
  elephants
• 3:43
  and
• 3:43
  shows
• 3:44
  them
• 3:44
  lion
• 3:44
  and
• 3:44
  on
• 3:45
  walks,
• 3:46
  you
• 3:46
  know,
• 3:46
  stops
• 3:46
  at
• 3:47
  a
• 3:47
  certain
• 3:47
  bush
• 3:47
  and
• 3:47
  says,
• 3:48
  if
• 3:48
  you
• 3:48
  chew
• 3:48
  this
• 3:48
  leaf,
• 3:49
  it's
• 3:49
  going
• 3:49
  to
• 3:49
  give
• 3:49
  you
• 3:50
  a
• 3:50
  numb
• 3:51
  mouth.
• 3:51
  So
• 3:51
  you've
• 3:51
  got
• 3:52
  a
• 3:52
  toothache,
• 3:52
  you
• 3:52
  can
• 3:53
  chew
• 3:53
  on
• 3:53
  this
• 3:53
  leaf.
• 3:54
  And
• 3:55
  so
• 3:55
  I
• 3:55
  wanted
• 3:55
  to
• 3:55
  be
• 3:55
  that
• 3:56
  person
• 3:56
  and
• 3:57
  I
• 3:57
  became
• 3:58
  it.
• 3:58
  I
• 3:58
  did
• 3:58
  a
• 3:58
  little
• 3:59
  bit
• 3:59
  of
• 3:59
  that,
• 3:59
  but
• 4:00
  that's
• 4:00
  where
• 4:00
  my
• 4:00
  love
• 4:00
  of
• 4:01
  the
• 4:01
  bush
• 4:01
  sort
• 4:01
  of
• 4:02
  started
• 4:02
  and
• 4:03
  my
• 4:03
  love
• 4:03
  of
• 4:04
  wildlife,
• 4:04
  I
• 4:05
  studied
• 4:05
  it.
• 4:06
  I
• 4:06
  fell
• 4:06
  in
• 4:06
  love
• 4:06
  with
• 4:07
  swamps
• 4:07
  at
• 4:07
  16
• 4:08
  years
• 4:08
  old.
• 4:08
  And
• 4:08
  that's
• 4:09
  what
• 4:09
  led
• 4:09
  me
• 4:09
  down
• 4:09
  my
• 4:10
  career.
• 4:10
  I
• 4:11
  got
• 4:11
  a
• 4:11
  PhD
• 4:11
  in
• 4:12
  wetland
• 4:12
  ecology
• 4:12
  and
• 4:13
  aquatic
• 4:13
  biogeochemistry.
• 4:16
  But
• 4:16
  my
• 4:16
  family
• 4:17
  just
• 4:17
  loved
• 4:17
  the,
• 4:17
  you
• 4:18
  know,
• 4:18
  loved
• 4:18
  the
• 4:18
  outdoors.
• 4:19
  My
• 4:19
  grandfather
• 4:19
  was
• 4:19
  a
• 4:20
  huge
• 4:20
  hunter,
• 4:21
  lived
• 4:22
  everywhere
• 4:22
  in
• 4:23
  the
• 4:23
  world
• 4:23
  from
• 4:23
  Russia
• 4:24
  to
• 4:24
  northern
• 4:25
  China
• 4:25
  to,
• 4:26
  you
• 4:27
  know,
• 4:27
  his
• 4:27
  final
• 4:27
  years
• 4:28
  in
• 4:28
  Mozambique.
• 4:29
  Uh,
• 4:30
  my
• 4:30
  father
• 4:30
  the
• 4:30
  same
• 4:30
  and
• 4:31
  you
• 4:31
  know,
• 4:31
  grew
• 4:31
  up,
• 4:32
  he
• 4:32
  grew
• 4:33
  up
• 4:33
  in
• 4:33
  Germany,
• 4:35
  spent
• 4:35
  his
• 4:35
  time
• 4:35
  in
• 4:36
  Mozambique
• 4:36
  and
• 4:36
  South
• 4:36
  Africa,
• 4:37
  opened
• 4:37
  the
• 4:38
  business
• 4:38
  in
• 4:38
  Brazil.
• 4:40
  So
• 4:40
  it's
• 4:40
  just,
• 4:40
  you
• 4:40
  can
• 4:41
  see
• 4:41
  all
• 4:41
  the
• 4:41
  things
• 4:41
  like
• 4:42
  that
• 4:42
  you
• 4:42
  see,
• 4:42
  you
• 4:43
  hear
• 4:43
  from
• 4:43
  me
• 4:43
  today
• 4:45
  is
• 4:45
  almost
• 4:45
  like
• 4:45
  this
• 4:46
  product
• 4:46
  of
• 4:47
  my
• 4:47
  family
• 4:47
  up
• 4:48
  until
• 4:48
  now.
• 4:49
  Yeah,
• 4:49
  it's
• 4:49
  really
• 4:49
  neat.
• 4:50
  But
• 4:50
  I
• 4:50
  want
• 4:50
  you
• 4:50
  to
• 4:50
  expound
• 4:50
  a
• 4:51
  little
• 4:51
  bit
• 4:51
  because
• 4:51
  I
• 4:51
  mean,
• 4:51
  you
• 4:51
  have
• 4:52
  a
• 4:52
  very
• 4:52
  non
• 4:52
  conventional
• 4:53
  background
• 4:53
  for
• 4:54
  a
• 4:54
  hunting
• 4:54
  advocate.
• 4:54
  So,
• 4:55
  I
• 4:55
  mean,
• 4:55
  let
• 4:55
  our
• 4:56
  listeners
• 4:56
  know
• 4:56
  a
• 4:56
  little
• 4:56
  bit
• 4:56
  more
• 4:57
  about
• 4:57
  kind
• 4:57
  of
• 4:57
  your
• 4:57
  educational
• 4:58
  background
• 4:58
  and
• 4:59
  then
• 4:59
  kind
• 4:59
  of
• 4:59
  all
• 4:59
  of
• 4:59
  the
• 4:59
  field
• 5:00
  work
• 5:00
  you
• 5:00
  did
• 5:01
  before
• 5:01
  you
• 5:01
  started
• 5:01
  Blood
• 5:02
  Origins.
• 5:03
  Yeah,
• 5:04
  so
• 5:04
  I
• 5:04
  didn't,
• 5:05
  I
• 5:05
  didn't
• 5:05
  hunt
• 5:06
  at
• 5:06
  all.
• 5:06
  Okay.
• 5:07
  So
• 5:07
  when
• 5:07
  I
• 5:07
  was,
• 5:07
  when
• 5:08
  I
• 5:08
  was
• 5:08
  growing
• 5:08
  up,
• 5:08
  I
• 5:09
  grew
• 5:09
  up
• 5:09
  in
• 5:09
  a
• 5:09
  town
• 5:09
  called
• 5:09
  Johannesburg,
• 5:10
  South
• 5:10
  Africa.
• 5:10
  Eight
• 5:11
  and
• 5:11
  a
• 5:11
  half
• 5:11
  million
• 5:11
  people.
• 5:12
  We
• 5:12
  didn't
• 5:12
  talk
• 5:12
  about
• 5:12
  hunting.
• 5:13
  My
• 5:13
  friends
• 5:13
  didn't
• 5:14
  hunt.
• 5:14
  I
• 5:14
  wasn't
• 5:15
  thinking
• 5:15
  about
• 5:15
  hunting.
• 5:15
  I
• 5:16
  was
• 5:16
  the
• 5:16
  exact
• 5:16
  audience
• 5:17
  that
• 5:17
  I
• 5:17
  speak
• 5:17
  to
• 5:17
  today
• 5:18
  didn't
• 5:19
  have
• 5:19
  an
• 5:19
  opinion
• 5:19
  about
• 5:19
  hunting.
• 5:20
  I
• 5:20
  knew
• 5:20
  that
• 5:20
  my
• 5:20
  grandfather
• 5:21
  hunted.
• 5:22
  I
• 5:22
  knew
• 5:22
  that
• 5:22
  my
• 5:22
  father
• 5:23
  had
• 5:23
  hunted.
• 5:23
  I'd
• 5:24
  read
• 5:24
  stories
• 5:25
  of
• 5:25
  theirs.
• 5:25
  I've
• 5:25
  seen
• 5:26
  trophies
• 5:26
  on
• 5:26
  the
• 5:26
  wall
• 5:26
  like
• 5:26
  up
• 5:27
  behind
• 5:27
  me
• 5:27
  right
• 5:28
  now.
• 5:28
  Those
• 5:28
  are
• 5:28
  my
• 5:29
  grandfather's
• 5:29
  trophies.
• 5:30
  But
• 5:31
  that
• 5:31
  was
• 5:31
  it.
• 5:32
  And
• 5:32
  so
• 5:33
  I
• 5:33
  have
• 5:34
  an
• 5:34
  education
• 5:35
  in
• 5:35
  environmental
• 5:36
  conservation
• 5:36
  biology.
• 5:36
  I
• 5:37
  have
• 5:37
  a
• 5:37
  BSc,
• 5:37
  a
• 5:38
  Bachelor
• 5:38
  of
• 5:38
  science
• 5:38
  in
• 5:38
  that.
• 5:39
  I
• 5:39
  have
• 5:40
  an
• 5:40
  honors
• 5:40
  in
• 5:40
  botany,
• 5:41
  I
• 5:41
  have
• 5:41
  a
• 5:41
  master's
• 5:42
  in
• 5:42
  botany
• 5:43
  and
• 5:43
  then
• 5:43
  I
• 5:43
  have
• 5:44
  a
• 5:44
  PhD
• 5:44
  at
• 5:45
  the
• 5:45
  University
• 5:45
  of
• 5:45
  Mississippi
• 5:46
  in
• 5:48
  technically
• 5:48
  in
• 5:48
  biology
• 5:49
  but
• 5:49
  specializing
• 5:50
  in
• 5:50
  wetland
• 5:51
  ecology
• 5:51
  and
• 5:51
  aquatic
• 5:51
  biogeochemistry.
• 5:54
  Have
• 5:54
  been
• 5:54
  a
• 5:55
  professor
• 5:55
  at
• 5:55
  Mississippi
• 5:56
  State
• 5:56
  for
• 5:56
  six
• 5:56
  years
• 5:56
  in
• 5:56
  the
• 5:56
  Wildlife
• 5:57
  Fisheries
• 5:57
  Department.
• 5:57
  I
• 5:58
  published
• 5:58
  over
• 5:58
  100
• 5:59
  peer
• 5:59
  reviewed
• 6:00
  articles.
• 6:01
  I
• 6:01
  was
• 6:02
  the
• 6:02
  chief
• 6:02
  scientist
• 6:02
  of
• 6:03
  the
• 6:03
  BP
• 6:03
  oil
• 6:03
  spill
• 6:04
  that
• 6:04
  happened.
• 6:04
  The
• 6:05
  biggest
• 6:05
  ecological
• 6:05
  disaster
• 6:06
  that's
• 6:06
  happened
• 6:06
  on
• 6:06
  this
• 6:06
  planet.
• 6:07
  I
• 6:08
  was
• 6:08
  the
• 6:08
  chief
• 6:08
  scientist
• 6:09
  in
• 6:09
  charge
• 6:09
  of
• 6:09
  standing
• 6:10
  up
• 6:10
  a
• 6:10
  restoration
• 6:10
  framework
• 6:11
  for
• 6:11
  the
• 6:11
  first
• 6:11
  billion
• 6:12
  dollars
• 6:12
  from
• 6:12
  Texas
• 6:13
  to
• 6:13
  Florida.
• 6:15
  And
• 6:15
  in
• 6:15
  that
• 6:15
  entire
• 6:16
  time
• 6:18
  I
• 6:18
  was
• 6:19
  starting
• 6:19
  to
• 6:19
  hunt.
• 6:20
  I
• 6:20
  was
• 6:20
  exposed
• 6:21
  to
• 6:21
  hunting
• 6:22
  here
• 6:22
  in
• 6:22
  the
• 6:22
  United
• 6:23
  States
• 6:23
  through
• 6:24
  friends.
• 6:25
  And
• 6:25
  it
• 6:26
  was
• 6:26
  just,
• 6:27
  it
• 6:27
  was
• 6:27
  just
• 6:28
  this
• 6:28
  natural
• 6:28
  sort
• 6:28
  of
• 6:28
  occurrence.
• 6:29
  I
• 6:29
  started
• 6:30
  getting
• 6:30
  better,
• 6:30
  better,
• 6:31
  better
• 6:31
  jobs.
• 6:31
  My
• 6:32
  resources
• 6:32
  were
• 6:33
  a
• 6:33
  little
• 6:33
  bit
• 6:33
  more.
• 6:34
  And
• 6:34
  so
• 6:34
  I
• 6:35
  started
• 6:35
  traveling
• 6:35
  more
• 6:35
  and
• 6:35
  I
• 6:36
  started
• 6:36
  traveling
• 6:36
  more
• 6:36
  to
• 6:36
  hunt.
• 6:37
  And
• 6:38
  I
• 6:38
  guess
• 6:38
  it's
• 6:39
  just
• 6:39
  this
• 6:39
  idea
• 6:40
  of,
• 6:41
  I
• 6:41
  don't
• 6:41
  know,
• 6:41
  it
• 6:42
  just
• 6:42
  came
• 6:42
  to
• 6:42
  me
• 6:42
  like
• 6:42
  I
• 6:43
  have
• 6:43
  two
• 6:43
  small
• 6:44
  boys,
• 6:44
  five
• 6:44
  years
• 6:44
  old
• 6:45
  and
• 6:45
  three
• 6:45
  years
• 6:45
  old
• 6:45
  at
• 6:45
  the
• 6:46
  time
• 6:46
  or
• 6:46
  four
• 6:46
  years
• 6:46
  old
• 6:47
  at
• 6:47
  the
• 6:47
  time.
• 6:47
  And
• 6:48
  I
• 6:48
  wanted
• 6:49
  to
• 6:49
  take
• 6:49
  them
• 6:49
  hunting
• 6:49
  because
• 6:50
  I
• 6:50
  never
• 6:50
  got
• 6:50
  to
• 6:50
  experience
• 6:50
  that
• 6:51
  when
• 6:51
  I
• 6:51
  was
• 6:51
  a
• 6:51
  kid.
• 6:53
  And
• 6:53
  I
• 6:53
  wanted
• 6:54
  them
• 6:54
  to
• 6:55
  see
• 6:55
  deer
• 6:56
  hunting
• 6:56
  and
• 6:56
  I
• 6:56
  wanted
• 6:57
  them
• 6:57
  to
• 6:57
  experience
• 6:57
  it
• 6:57
  and
• 6:58
  experience
• 6:58
  trapping
• 6:59
  and
• 6:59
  all
• 6:59
  the
• 6:59
  things.
• 6:59
  And
• 7:00
  I
• 7:00
  could
• 7:00
  explain
• 7:01
  to
• 7:01
  them
• 7:01
  biologically
• 7:03
  why
• 7:03
  we
• 7:03
  were
• 7:03
  doing
• 7:04
  it,
• 7:05
  but
• 7:05
  I
• 7:05
  couldn't
• 7:06
  explain
• 7:06
  to
• 7:06
  them
• 7:07
  like
• 7:07
  from
• 7:08
  my
• 7:08
  heart
• 7:09
  while
• 7:09
  we
• 7:09
  were
• 7:10
  doing
• 7:10
  it.
• 7:11
  And
• 7:11
  so
• 7:11
  I
• 7:11
  had
• 7:11
  to
• 7:12
  learn
• 7:12
  that.
• 7:12
  And
• 7:14
  for
• 7:14
  some
• 7:14
  reason
• 7:16
  instead
• 7:16
  of
• 7:16
  just
• 7:16
  talking
• 7:17
  to
• 7:17
  people
• 7:17
  and
• 7:18
  instead
• 7:18
  of
• 7:18
  just
• 7:18
  reading
• 7:19
  or
• 7:19
  watching
• 7:20
  videos.
• 7:20
  Well,
• 7:21
  actually
• 7:21
  the
• 7:21
  reason
• 7:21
  I
• 7:22
  did
• 7:22
  it
• 7:22
  was
• 7:22
  because
• 7:22
  I
• 7:23
  couldn't
• 7:23
  find
• 7:23
  anything
• 7:23
  reading,
• 7:24
  I
• 7:24
  couldn't
• 7:24
  find
• 7:24
  anything
• 7:25
  in
• 7:25
  videos.
• 7:25
  So
• 7:25
  I
• 7:25
  said,
• 7:25
  well,
• 7:26
  I'll
• 7:26
  just
• 7:26
  start
• 7:27
  project
• 7:27
  a
• 7:27
  side
• 7:28
  project
• 7:28
  A
• 7:29
  hobby,
• 7:29
  a
• 7:30
  passion
• 7:30
  project
• 7:32
  on
• 7:32
  understanding
• 7:33
  the
• 7:33
  heart
• 7:33
  of
• 7:34
  a
• 7:34
  hunter.
• 7:35
  That's
• 7:36
  what
• 7:36
  started
• 7:36
  Blood
• 7:36
  Origins.
• 7:38
  And
• 7:39
  yeah,
• 7:40
  I
• 7:40
  would
• 7:40
  say
• 7:40
  you're
• 7:40
  right.
• 7:41
  It
• 7:41
  is
• 7:41
  a
• 7:41
  very
• 7:41
  non
• 7:42
  conventional.
• 7:44
  I
• 7:44
  am
• 7:44
  not
• 7:45
  American,
• 7:46
  I
• 7:46
  have
• 7:47
  an
• 7:47
  accent,
• 7:48
  I
• 7:49
  have
• 7:49
  a
• 7:49
  PhD.
• 7:51
  So
• 7:51
  I
• 7:51
  have
• 7:52
  the
• 7:52
  acumen
• 7:53
  to
• 7:53
  defend
• 7:55
  positions,
• 7:56
  rhetoric.
• 7:57
  I
• 7:58
  use
• 7:58
  science
• 7:58
  a
• 7:59
  lot.
• 8:00
  And
• 8:01
  yeah,
• 8:01
  now
• 8:01
  it's,
• 8:01
  you
• 8:02
  know,
• 8:02
  we've
• 8:03
  changed
• 8:03
  the
• 8:03
  name
• 8:03
  to
• 8:04
  the
• 8:04
  Origins
• 8:04
  Foundation.
• 8:05
  Now
• 8:05
  it's
• 8:05
  more
• 8:05
  sustainable
• 8:06
  use
• 8:06
  of
• 8:06
  wildlife
• 8:07
  which,
• 8:08
  you
• 8:08
  know,
• 8:08
  90%
• 8:09
  of
• 8:09
  which
• 8:09
  is
• 8:09
  hunting.
• 8:11
  And
• 8:12
  our
• 8:12
  voice
• 8:12
  is
• 8:13
  the
• 8:13
  same.
• 8:13
  Our
• 8:14
  voice
• 8:14
  is
• 8:14
  science
• 8:14
  based.
• 8:15
  Our
• 8:15
  voice
• 8:16
  is
• 8:16
  very
• 8:16
  reasoned,
• 8:17
  our
• 8:17
  voice
• 8:17
  is
• 8:17
  very
• 8:18
  purposeful,
• 8:18
  our
• 8:18
  voice
• 8:19
  is
• 8:19
  very
• 8:20
  measured.
• 8:22
  We
• 8:22
  don't
• 8:22
  get
• 8:22
  upset,
• 8:23
  we
• 8:23
  don't
• 8:23
  get,
• 8:24
  we
• 8:24
  don't,
• 8:24
  we
• 8:24
  don't
• 8:25
  resort
• 8:25
  to
• 8:25
  name
• 8:25
  calling.
• 8:27
  And
• 8:27
  again,
• 8:27
  we're
• 8:28
  rooted
• 8:28
  in
• 8:28
  essentially
• 8:29
  the
• 8:29
  truth
• 8:30
  and
• 8:30
  an
• 8:31
  unbiased
• 8:31
  look
• 8:32
  at
• 8:32
  what
• 8:32
  we
• 8:32
  do
• 8:32
  and
• 8:32
  how
• 8:33
  we
• 8:33
  do
• 8:33
  it.
• 8:33
  Yeah,
• 8:34
  really
• 8:34
  interesting.
• 8:34
  If
• 8:35
  we
• 8:35
  back
• 8:35
  up
• 8:35
  a
• 8:35
  little
• 8:35
  bit,
• 8:36
  I
• 8:36
  think
• 8:36
  it'd
• 8:36
  be
• 8:36
  interesting
• 8:36
  for
• 8:37
  our
• 8:37
  listeners
• 8:37
  to
• 8:37
  understand
• 8:39
  why
• 8:39
  you
• 8:39
  had
• 8:40
  to
• 8:40
  wait
• 8:40
  until
• 8:40
  you
• 8:40
  came
• 8:41
  to
• 8:41
  the
• 8:41
  United
• 8:41
  States
• 8:41
  to
• 8:42
  have
• 8:42
  your
• 8:42
  first
• 8:42
  hunting
• 8:42
  experience
• 8:43
  when
• 8:43
  you're
• 8:44
  kind
• 8:44
  of
• 8:44
  in
• 8:44
  the
• 8:45
  Mecca
• 8:45
  of
• 8:45
  big
• 8:45
  game
• 8:45
  huntings
• 8:46
  where
• 8:46
  you
• 8:46
  grew
• 8:46
  up.
• 8:47
  But
• 8:47
  also
• 8:47
  too.
• 8:48
  What
• 8:48
  about
• 8:48
  that
• 8:49
  first
• 8:49
  hunt
• 8:49
  that
• 8:50
  really
• 8:50
  lit
• 8:50
  the
• 8:51
  fire
• 8:51
  for
• 8:51
  you?
• 8:53
  Yeah.
• 8:53
  So
• 8:53
  South
• 8:53
  Africa
• 8:53
  is
• 8:54
  a
• 8:54
  very
• 8:54
  different
• 8:55
  wildlife
• 8:55
  model
• 8:56
  than
• 8:56
  the
• 8:56
  United
• 8:56
  states.
• 8:57
  It's
• 8:57
  actually
• 8:58
  10,
• 8:58
  it's
• 8:58
  180
• 8:59
  degrees
• 9:00
  away
• 9:00
  from
• 9:00
  the
• 9:00
  American
• 9:01
  model.
• 9:01
  The
• 9:02
  American
• 9:02
  model
• 9:02
  is
• 9:02
  a
• 9:02
  North
• 9:03
  American
• 9:03
  wildlife
• 9:05
  management
• 9:06
  model
• 9:06
  which
• 9:07
  is
• 9:07
  a
• 9:07
  public
• 9:07
  doctrine.
• 9:08
  The
• 9:08
  public,
• 9:09
  the
• 9:09
  resources,
• 9:10
  the
• 9:10
  wildlife
• 9:10
  resources
• 9:11
  belong
• 9:11
  to
• 9:11
  the
• 9:11
  public.
• 9:12
  In
• 9:12
  South
• 9:13
  Africa
• 9:13
  it's
• 9:13
  the
• 9:13
  opposite.
• 9:14
  The
• 9:14
  wildlife
• 9:14
  resources
• 9:15
  belong
• 9:15
  to
• 9:16
  the
• 9:17
  private
• 9:17
  individual.
• 9:18
  If
• 9:18
  you've
• 9:18
  got
• 9:19
  an
• 9:19
  enclosure
• 9:20
  of
• 9:20
  adequate
• 9:22
  stature,
• 9:23
  they
• 9:23
  call
• 9:23
  it
• 9:23
  adequate
• 9:24
  enclosure
• 9:24
  which
• 9:25
  is
• 9:25
  high
• 9:25
  fence
• 9:25
  or
• 9:26
  an
• 9:26
  appropriate
• 9:26
  low
• 9:27
  fence,
• 9:27
  then
• 9:28
  the
• 9:28
  animals
• 9:28
  belong
• 9:28
  to
• 9:29
  you.
• 9:30
  You
• 9:30
  can
• 9:30
  do
• 9:30
  with
• 9:30
  what
• 9:31
  you
• 9:31
  want.
• 9:31
  So
• 9:32
  there's
• 9:32
  no
• 9:32
  public
• 9:32
  grounds,
• 9:33
  there's
• 9:33
  no
• 9:33
  real
• 9:33
  access
• 9:34
  to
• 9:34
  public
• 9:34
  wildlife
• 9:35
  in
• 9:35
  South
• 9:36
  Africa
• 9:36
  to
• 9:36
  hunt.
• 9:37
  So
• 9:37
  it's
• 9:37
  not
• 9:38
  that
• 9:38
  I
• 9:38
  was
• 9:38
  chasing
• 9:39
  that.
• 9:39
  Just
• 9:39
  number
• 9:40
  one,
• 9:40
  wasn't
• 9:40
  available
• 9:41
  to
• 9:41
  me
• 9:42
  or
• 9:42
  anybody
• 9:42
  in
• 9:43
  South
• 9:43
  Africa
• 9:44
  and
• 9:44
  two,
• 9:45
  I
• 9:45
  just
• 9:45
  didn't,
• 9:46
  you
• 9:46
  know,
• 9:46
  obviously
• 9:47
  based
• 9:47
  on
• 9:47
  my
• 9:47
  background,
• 9:48
  wasn't
• 9:48
  going
• 9:49
  to
• 9:49
  be
• 9:49
  exploring
• 9:49
  that.
• 9:50
  My
• 9:50
  friends
• 9:50
  didn't
• 9:51
  explore
• 9:51
  it
• 9:51
  either.
• 9:52
  So,
• 9:54
  you
• 9:54
  know,
• 9:55
  coming
• 9:55
  to
• 9:55
  the
• 9:55
  United
• 9:55
  States
• 9:56
  and
• 9:56
  understanding
• 9:56
  public
• 9:57
  land
• 9:57
  and
• 9:57
  understanding
• 9:58
  the
• 9:58
  freedoms
• 9:58
  that
• 9:59
  we
• 9:59
  have
• 9:59
  here,
• 9:59
  the
• 10:00
  rights
• 10:00
  that
• 10:00
  we
• 10:00
  have
• 10:00
  here,
• 10:01
  it
• 10:01
  was
• 10:02
  pretty
• 10:02
  amazing
• 10:03
  to
• 10:03
  know
• 10:04
  that
• 10:04
  I
• 10:04
  could,
• 10:04
  you
• 10:05
  know,
• 10:05
  from
• 10:05
  where
• 10:05
  I'm
• 10:05
  sitting
• 10:05
  right
• 10:06
  now,
• 10:07
  I
• 10:07
  could
• 10:07
  drive
• 10:07
  30
• 10:08
  minutes
• 10:08
  and
• 10:09
  in
• 10:09
  the
• 10:09
  appropriate
• 10:10
  season
• 10:10
  have
• 10:10
  a
• 10:10
  loaded
• 10:11
  weapon.
• 10:12
  Walking
• 10:12
  on
• 10:12
  ground
• 10:12
  that
• 10:13
  belongs
• 10:13
  to
• 10:13
  you,
• 10:13
  Marvin,
• 10:14
  belongs
• 10:14
  to
• 10:14
  me
• 10:15
  and
• 10:15
  actually
• 10:15
  belongs
• 10:16
  to
• 10:16
  the
• 10:16
  world.
• 10:16
  Because
• 10:17
  anybody
• 10:17
  in
• 10:17
  this
• 10:18
  world
• 10:18
  can
• 10:18
  go
• 10:19
  and
• 10:19
  walk
• 10:19
  on
• 10:20
  it,
• 10:20
  which
• 10:20
  is
• 10:20
  just
• 10:20
  an
• 10:20
  amazing,
• 10:21
  absolutely
• 10:22
  amazing
• 10:24
  situation.
• 10:26
  And
• 10:26
  so
• 10:26
  when
• 10:27
  I
• 10:27
  started
• 10:27
  hunting,
• 10:28
  I
• 10:28
  didn't
• 10:28
  start.
• 10:28
  I
• 10:29
  didn't
• 10:29
  start
• 10:29
  hunting
• 10:29
  on
• 10:30
  public
• 10:30
  ground.
• 10:31
  A
• 10:31
  lot
• 10:31
  of
• 10:31
  people
• 10:31
  do.
• 10:32
  I
• 10:32
  started
• 10:33
  with
• 10:33
  a
• 10:33
  friend
• 10:33
  inviting
• 10:34
  me
• 10:34
  to
• 10:34
  go
• 10:35
  deer
• 10:35
  hunting,
• 10:35
  whitetail
• 10:36
  deer
• 10:36
  hunting,
• 10:37
  and
• 10:37
  it
• 10:37
  was
• 10:38
  Mississippi,
• 10:38
  so
• 10:38
  it
• 10:38
  was
• 10:39
  the
• 10:39
  classic
• 10:39
  sort
• 10:40
  of
• 10:40
  redneck
• 10:40
  Mississippi
• 10:41
  hunting,
• 10:42
  which
• 10:42
  was
• 10:43
  stuck
• 10:43
  under
• 10:43
  a
• 10:43
  tree
• 10:44
  with
• 10:44
  a
• 10:44
  lawn
• 10:44
  chair.
• 10:45
  And
• 10:46
  he
• 10:46
  said,
• 10:46
  here's
• 10:46
  your
• 10:46
  gun.
• 10:47
  This
• 10:47
  is
• 10:47
  how
• 10:47
  it
• 10:47
  operates.
• 10:48
  I'd
• 10:48
  obviously
• 10:48
  got
• 10:49
  my
• 10:49
  hunter's
• 10:49
  education
• 10:50
  class,
• 10:50
  and
• 10:50
  I'd
• 10:50
  done
• 10:50
  everything
• 10:51
  I
• 10:51
  needed
• 10:51
  to
• 10:51
  do,
• 10:52
  had
• 10:52
  my
• 10:52
  license.
• 10:53
  And
• 10:53
  he
• 10:53
  said,
• 10:54
  if
• 10:54
  something
• 10:54
  walks
• 10:54
  by,
• 10:54
  shoot
• 10:55
  it.
• 10:56
  And
• 10:56
  so
• 10:57
  I
• 10:57
  can't
• 10:57
  say
• 10:57
  that.
• 10:57
  Like,
• 10:58
  I
• 10:58
  had
• 10:59
  this
• 10:59
  sort
• 10:59
  of
• 10:59
  romantic,
• 11:00
  like,
• 11:00
  amazing
• 11:01
  first
• 11:01
  hunt,
• 11:01
  and
• 11:02
  that's
• 11:02
  what
• 11:02
  sort
• 11:02
  of
• 11:02
  sold
• 11:03
  it
• 11:03
  to
• 11:03
  me,
• 11:03
  and
• 11:03
  that's
• 11:03
  what
• 11:03
  I
• 11:04
  wanted
• 11:04
  to
• 11:04
  do.
• 11:04
  It
• 11:04
  was
• 11:04
  just
• 11:05
  the
• 11:05
  thing
• 11:05
  to
• 11:05
  do.
• 11:06
  It's
• 11:07
  the
• 11:07
  thing
• 11:07
  that
• 11:07
  everyone
• 11:07
  did
• 11:07
  in
• 11:08
  the
• 11:08
  Beats.
• 11:08
  It
• 11:08
  was
• 11:09
  almost
• 11:09
  like
• 11:09
  akin
• 11:09
  to,
• 11:10
  as
• 11:10
  I
• 11:10
  said
• 11:10
  in
• 11:10
  my.
• 11:11
  My
• 11:11
  group
• 11:11
  in
• 11:12
  South
• 11:12
  Africa,
• 11:13
  we
• 11:13
  did
• 11:14
  things
• 11:14
  that
• 11:14
  everyone
• 11:14
  did
• 11:15
  there,
• 11:15
  right?
• 11:15
  You
• 11:15
  played
• 11:15
  sports,
• 11:16
  you
• 11:16
  went
• 11:16
  out,
• 11:17
  you
• 11:17
  did
• 11:17
  all
• 11:17
  those
• 11:17
  things.
• 11:18
  Well,
• 11:18
  the
• 11:18
  same
• 11:19
  group
• 11:19
  of
• 11:19
  friends
• 11:19
  that
• 11:20
  now
• 11:20
  I
• 11:20
  had
• 11:20
  established
• 11:21
  in
• 11:21
  Mississippi,
• 11:23
  they
• 11:23
  hunted.
• 11:24
  That's
• 11:24
  what
• 11:25
  they
• 11:25
  did.
• 11:26
  So
• 11:27
  actually,
• 11:27
  I'm
• 11:28
  gonna
• 11:28
  hunt
• 11:28
  and
• 11:28
  I'm
• 11:29
  gonna
• 11:29
  participate.
• 11:29
  And
• 11:30
  that's
• 11:30
  just
• 11:30
  how
• 11:30
  it
• 11:30
  started.
• 11:31
  And
• 11:31
  then
• 11:32
  it
• 11:32
  just
• 11:33
  grew
• 11:33
  and
• 11:33
  grew
• 11:33
  and
• 11:33
  grew.
• 11:33
  I
• 11:34
  can't
• 11:34
  say
• 11:34
  that,
• 11:34
  like,
• 11:34
  now
• 11:35
  my
• 11:35
  fire
• 11:35
  is
• 11:36
  completely,
• 11:37
  like,
• 11:37
  lit,
• 11:38
  because
• 11:38
  I
• 11:39
  guarantee
• 11:39
  you
• 11:39
  the
• 11:39
  next
• 11:39
  hunt
• 11:40
  that
• 11:40
  I
• 11:40
  do
• 11:41
  is
• 11:41
  going
• 11:42
  to
• 11:42
  add
• 11:42
  a
• 11:43
  log
• 11:43
  to
• 11:43
  that
• 11:44
  fire,
• 11:45
  because
• 11:45
  there's
• 11:45
  things
• 11:46
  that
• 11:46
  I've
• 11:46
  never
• 11:46
  experienced.
• 11:47
  I'm
• 11:47
  still
• 11:47
  a
• 11:47
  very,
• 11:47
  very
• 11:48
  nascent
• 11:48
  hunter,
• 11:50
  so.
• 11:51
  Yeah.
• 11:52
  Yeah,
• 11:52
  very
• 11:53
  interesting.
• 11:53
  It's
• 11:53
  kind
• 11:53
  of
• 11:53
  funny.
• 11:53
  So
• 11:54
  I
• 11:54
  grew
• 11:54
  up
• 11:54
  in
• 11:54
  central
• 11:54
  Virginia,
• 11:56
  and
• 11:56
  it
• 11:56
  was
• 11:56
  not
• 11:57
  uncommon
• 11:57
  for
• 11:57
  people
• 11:57
  to
• 11:58
  skip
• 11:58
  school
• 11:58
  the
• 11:58
  first
• 11:59
  day
• 11:59
  of
• 11:59
  deer
• 11:59
  season.
• 11:59
  Yeah,
• 12:00
  Pennsylvania,
• 12:00
  they.
• 12:01
  They
• 12:01
  give
• 12:01
  it
• 12:01
  all.
• 12:02
  In
• 12:02
  Pennsylvania,
• 12:03
  first
• 12:03
  day
• 12:03
  of
• 12:03
  deer
• 12:04
  season
• 12:04
  is
• 12:04
  off,
• 12:05
  school
• 12:05
  is
• 12:06
  out.
• 12:06
  Yeah,
• 12:07
  amazing.
• 12:07
  Yeah,
• 12:08
  that's
• 12:08
  how
• 12:08
  it
• 12:08
  is
• 12:08
  in
• 12:08
  the
• 12:08
  western
• 12:09
  part
• 12:09
  of
• 12:09
  Virginia.
• 12:09
  But,
• 12:09
  yeah,
• 12:10
  it's
• 12:10
  an
• 12:10
  interesting
• 12:10
  thing.
• 12:10
  And
• 12:11
  so,
• 12:11
  you
• 12:11
  know,
• 12:11
  so
• 12:12
  you
• 12:12
  kind
• 12:12
  of
• 12:12
  get
• 12:12
  that
• 12:12
  first
• 12:13
  taste.
• 12:13
  You're
• 12:13
  in
• 12:13
  graduate
• 12:14
  school.
• 12:14
  You
• 12:15
  know,
• 12:15
  you're
• 12:15
  progressing
• 12:15
  in
• 12:16
  your
• 12:16
  career.
• 12:16
  So
• 12:16
  you
• 12:16
  get
• 12:16
  to
• 12:17
  kind
• 12:17
  of
• 12:17
  range
• 12:17
  about
• 12:17
  a
• 12:18
  little
• 12:18
  bit
• 12:18
  more
• 12:18
  as
• 12:18
  you're
• 12:18
  hunting.
• 12:19
  You're
• 12:19
  having
• 12:19
  kind
• 12:19
  of
• 12:20
  more
• 12:20
  and
• 12:20
  more
• 12:21
  sophisticated
• 12:22
  experiences,
• 12:22
  I
• 12:23
  guess,
• 12:23
  to
• 12:23
  say.
• 12:23
  But,
• 12:24
  you
• 12:24
  know,
• 12:24
  do
• 12:24
  you
• 12:24
  remember
• 12:24
  that
• 12:25
  light
• 12:25
  bulb
• 12:25
  moment
• 12:26
  when
• 12:26
  you
• 12:26
  said,
• 12:26
  hey,
• 12:27
  I'm
• 12:27
  going
• 12:27
  to
• 12:27
  kind
• 12:27
  of
• 12:28
  create
• 12:28
  this
• 12:28
  little
• 12:28
  side
• 12:29
  thing
• 12:29
  called
• 12:29
  Blood
• 12:29
  Origins?
• 12:31
  No.
• 12:31
  Like,
• 12:32
  it
• 12:32
  wasn't
• 12:33
  actually
• 12:33
  tied
• 12:33
  to
• 12:33
  hunting.
• 12:34
  It
• 12:34
  was
• 12:34
  more.
• 12:35
  Again,
• 12:35
  it
• 12:35
  was
• 12:35
  more
• 12:36
  tied
• 12:36
  to
• 12:36
  my
• 12:36
  boys,
• 12:37
  was
• 12:38
  More
• 12:38
  tied
• 12:38
  to,
• 12:38
  like,
• 12:39
  reading
• 12:39
  my
• 12:40
  grandfather's
• 12:40
  stories
• 12:40
  again.
• 12:41
  My
• 12:41
  grandfather
• 12:41
  was
• 12:42
  a
• 12:42
  prolific
• 12:42
  writer,
• 12:43
  so
• 12:44
  I
• 12:44
  just
• 12:44
  picked
• 12:44
  up
• 12:44
  some
• 12:44
  of
• 12:45
  his
• 12:45
  stories
• 12:45
  and
• 12:45
  started
• 12:45
  writing,
• 12:46
  reading
• 12:46
  some
• 12:46
  more
• 12:46
  of
• 12:47
  his
• 12:47
  stories.
• 12:48
  And
• 12:49
  I
• 12:49
  was
• 12:49
  watching
• 12:49
  outdoor
• 12:49
  television
• 12:50
  and
• 12:50
  Sportsman's
• 12:51
  Channel
• 12:51
  and
• 12:51
  all
• 12:51
  the
• 12:52
  things
• 12:52
  that
• 12:52
  we
• 12:52
  all
• 12:52
  watch.
• 12:54
  And
• 12:54
  I
• 12:54
  guess
• 12:54
  in
• 12:54
  my
• 12:55
  mind
• 12:55
  I
• 12:55
  was
• 12:55
  like,
• 12:55
  man,
• 12:55
  I
• 12:55
  could
• 12:56
  do
• 12:56
  that.
• 12:57
  I
• 12:57
  could
• 12:58
  be
• 12:58
  that
• 12:58
  creative.
• 13:00
  Maybe
• 13:00
  in
• 13:01
  my
• 13:01
  brain
• 13:01
  I
• 13:01
  was
• 13:01
  like,
• 13:02
  man,
• 13:02
  I
• 13:02
  see
• 13:02
  a
• 13:02
  niche
• 13:03
  here
• 13:03
  that
• 13:05
  nobody's
• 13:05
  filling,
• 13:07
  so
• 13:07
  why
• 13:07
  don't
• 13:07
  I
• 13:08
  try
• 13:08
  to
• 13:08
  fill
• 13:08
  it?
• 13:08
  Not
• 13:09
  knowing
• 13:09
  anything
• 13:10
  about
• 13:10
  what
• 13:10
  I
• 13:10
  was
• 13:10
  stepping
• 13:11
  into,
• 13:12
  didn't
• 13:12
  know
• 13:12
  anything
• 13:13
  about,
• 13:14
  and
• 13:14
  I
• 13:14
  still
• 13:15
  don't
• 13:16
  about
• 13:16
  cinematography
• 13:17
  or
• 13:17
  photography,
• 13:18
  and
• 13:19
  I
• 13:19
  leave
• 13:19
  that
• 13:19
  to
• 13:19
  the
• 13:19
  professionals.
• 13:20
  I
• 13:20
  just
• 13:21
  had
• 13:21
  an
• 13:21
  idea,
• 13:21
  and
• 13:22
  I
• 13:22
  had
• 13:22
  an
• 13:22
  idea
• 13:22
  of
• 13:23
  how
• 13:23
  I
• 13:23
  wanted
• 13:23
  to
• 13:23
  communicate
• 13:25
  and
• 13:26
  I.
• 13:26
  And
• 13:26
  I
• 13:27
  had
• 13:27
  an
• 13:27
  idea
• 13:27
  of
• 13:27
  how
• 13:28
  I
• 13:28
  wanted
• 13:28
  it
• 13:28
  to
• 13:28
  look.
• 13:30
  And
• 13:30
  then
• 13:30
  I
• 13:30
  just
• 13:30
  had
• 13:31
  to
• 13:31
  learn
• 13:31
  everything
• 13:31
  else.
• 13:32
  Like,
• 13:32
  you
• 13:32
  know,
• 13:33
  what
• 13:33
  is
• 13:33
  the
• 13:33
  distribution
• 13:34
  strategy
• 13:34
  when
• 13:35
  it
• 13:35
  comes
• 13:35
  to
• 13:35
  media?
• 13:36
  I
• 13:36
  didn't
• 13:37
  know
• 13:37
  I
• 13:37
  had
• 13:37
  to
• 13:37
  Google
• 13:38
  that.
• 13:40
  You
• 13:40
  know,
• 13:40
  how
• 13:40
  do
• 13:41
  you,
• 13:41
  how
• 13:41
  do
• 13:41
  you
• 13:41
  do
• 13:42
  Facebook
• 13:42
  and
• 13:42
  Instagram
• 13:43
  and
• 13:43
  how
• 13:43
  do
• 13:43
  you,
• 13:43
  you
• 13:44
  know,
• 13:44
  all
• 13:45
  of
• 13:45
  this
• 13:45
  stuff?
• 13:45
  We
• 13:45
  just.
• 13:46
  We're
• 13:47
  still
• 13:47
  learning,
• 13:47
  Marmont.
• 13:48
  We're
• 13:48
  still
• 13:48
  learning,
• 13:48
  even
• 13:49
  though
• 13:49
  we're,
• 13:49
  you
• 13:49
  know,
• 13:49
  we
• 13:50
  started
• 13:50
  with
• 13:50
  nothing
• 13:51
  and
• 13:51
  we're
• 13:51
  over
• 13:52
  like
• 13:52
  450,000
• 13:53
  people
• 13:54
  across
• 13:54
  all
• 13:54
  of
• 13:54
  our
• 13:55
  platforms
• 13:55
  right
• 13:55
  now.
• 13:56
  So,
• 13:57
  yeah,
• 13:57
  it's
• 13:57
  interesting
• 13:58
  because
• 13:58
  there
• 13:58
  are
• 13:58
  kind
• 13:58
  of
• 13:58
  two
• 13:58
  things
• 13:58
  you
• 13:59
  said
• 13:59
  that
• 13:59
  really
• 13:59
  resonate,
• 14:00
  you
• 14:00
  know,
• 14:00
  one,
• 14:00
  I
• 14:00
  kind
• 14:01
  of.
• 14:01
  I
• 14:01
  fished
• 14:01
  as
• 14:01
  a
• 14:01
  kid,
• 14:02
  but
• 14:02
  I
• 14:03
  came
• 14:03
  to
• 14:03
  fly
• 14:03
  fishing
• 14:04
  probably
• 14:04
  in
• 14:05
  my
• 14:05
  early
• 14:05
  30s,
• 14:06
  because
• 14:06
  I
• 14:06
  wanted
• 14:07
  to
• 14:07
  have
• 14:07
  something
• 14:07
  to
• 14:07
  do
• 14:07
  with
• 14:08
  my
• 14:08
  boys
• 14:09
  that
• 14:09
  would
• 14:09
  compete
• 14:10
  with
• 14:10
  video
• 14:10
  games
• 14:10
  and
• 14:11
  soccer.
• 14:11
  Right?
• 14:12
  Yeah.
• 14:12
  And
• 14:12
  so,
• 14:13
  so
• 14:13
  that
• 14:13
  was
• 14:13
  part
• 14:13
  of
• 14:14
  it,
• 14:14
  but
• 14:14
  also
• 14:14
  too.
• 14:14
  I
• 14:14
  mean,
• 14:14
  I've
• 14:15
  kind
• 14:15
  of
• 14:15
  had
• 14:15
  the
• 14:15
  same
• 14:15
  experience
• 14:16
  at
• 14:16
  the
• 14:16
  Articulate
• 14:17
  Fly,
• 14:17
  where
• 14:17
  you're
• 14:17
  like,
• 14:17
  well,
• 14:18
  let's
• 14:18
  try
• 14:18
  this.
• 14:18
  And
• 14:19
  then,
• 14:19
  you
• 14:20
  know,
• 14:20
  if
• 14:20
  you're
• 14:20
  relatively
• 14:21
  bright,
• 14:21
  I
• 14:21
  mean,
• 14:21
  we've
• 14:21
  put
• 14:22
  out
• 14:22
  a
• 14:22
  thousand
• 14:22
  episodes,
• 14:22
  so
• 14:23
  I
• 14:23
  mean,
• 14:23
  that's
• 14:24
  amazing.
• 14:24
  Yeah.
• 14:24
  But
• 14:25
  I
• 14:25
  think,
• 14:25
  you
• 14:25
  know,
• 14:25
  to
• 14:25
  your
• 14:25
  point,
• 14:26
  if
• 14:26
  you're
• 14:26
  kind
• 14:26
  of
• 14:26
  bright
• 14:26
  and
• 14:26
  motivated,
• 14:27
  you
• 14:27
  know,
• 14:28
  like,
• 14:28
  this
• 14:28
  isn't
• 14:29
  like
• 14:29
  when
• 14:29
  we
• 14:29
  were
• 14:29
  kids
• 14:30
  and
• 14:30
  you
• 14:30
  were
• 14:30
  getting
• 14:30
  stuff
• 14:30
  in
• 14:31
  the
• 14:31
  mail,
• 14:31
  like
• 14:31
  you
• 14:31
  can
• 14:31
  literally,
• 14:32
  on
• 14:33
  a
• 14:33
  thousand
• 14:33
  dollar
• 14:33
  supercomputer
• 14:34
  in
• 14:34
  your
• 14:34
  pocket,
• 14:35
  talk
• 14:35
  to
• 14:35
  anyone
• 14:36
  in
• 14:36
  the
• 14:36
  world
• 14:36
  and
• 14:36
  find
• 14:36
  out
• 14:37
  anything
• 14:37
  that
• 14:37
  you're
• 14:37
  interested
• 14:38
  in.
• 14:39
  And
• 14:39
  so
• 14:39
  there's
• 14:40
  really
• 14:40
  no
• 14:40
  excuse
• 14:40
  for
• 14:41
  trying
• 14:41
  these
• 14:41
  experiments.
• 14:43
  No,
• 14:43
  it
• 14:43
  isn't.
• 14:44
  And
• 14:44
  honestly,
• 14:45
  Marvin,
• 14:48
  I'm
• 14:48
  living
• 14:48
  the
• 14:48
  epitome
• 14:49
  of
• 14:49
  the
• 14:49
  American
• 14:50
  dream.
• 14:52
  There's
• 14:52
  no
• 14:52
  other
• 14:53
  country
• 14:53
  in
• 14:53
  this
• 14:53
  world
• 14:54
  that
• 14:55
  you
• 14:55
  could
• 14:56
  have
• 14:57
  an
• 14:57
  idea
• 15:00
  brain,
• 15:00
  fart
• 15:00
  it
• 15:01
  out
• 15:03
  and
• 15:03
  Work
• 15:04
  hard
• 15:04
  at
• 15:04
  it.
• 15:05
  Right.
• 15:05
  You
• 15:05
  work
• 15:05
  bloody
• 15:06
  hard
• 15:06
  at
• 15:06
  your
• 15:06
  podcast.
• 15:07
  We
• 15:07
  work
• 15:07
  bloody
• 15:07
  hard
• 15:07
  at
• 15:08
  what
• 15:08
  we
• 15:08
  do
• 15:09
  and
• 15:09
  just
• 15:09
  nose
• 15:09
  to
• 15:09
  the
• 15:10
  grindstone
• 15:10
  every
• 15:10
  single
• 15:11
  day.
• 15:12
  And
• 15:12
  now
• 15:12
  it's
• 15:12
  my
• 15:13
  full
• 15:13
  time
• 15:13
  job
• 15:13
  and
• 15:14
  I
• 15:14
  travel
• 15:14
  around
• 15:14
  the
• 15:14
  world.
• 15:16
  Yeah.
• 15:18
  Who
• 15:18
  else
• 15:18
  can
• 15:18
  say
• 15:19
  that?
• 15:19
  Who
• 15:19
  else
• 15:19
  can
• 15:20
  build
• 15:20
  something
• 15:20
  like
• 15:20
  that?
• 15:21
  Only
• 15:21
  in
• 15:21
  a
• 15:22
  place
• 15:22
  like
• 15:22
  America.
• 15:22
  It's
• 15:23
  just
• 15:23
  like
• 15:24
  it's.
• 15:25
  And
• 15:25
  the
• 15:25
  fact
• 15:25
  that
• 15:25
  we're
• 15:25
  a
• 15:26
  nonprofit,
• 15:26
  a
• 15:26
  charity
• 15:27
  now,
• 15:28
  that's
• 15:29
  what
• 15:29
  made
• 15:29
  it
• 15:29
  happen.
• 15:31
  That's.
• 15:31
  And
• 15:31
  it's
• 15:32
  the
• 15:32
  philanthropic
• 15:32
  heart
• 15:33
  of
• 15:33
  Americans
• 15:34
  that
• 15:35
  allows
• 15:35
  something
• 15:36
  like
• 15:36
  that
• 15:36
  to
• 15:36
  happen.
• 15:38
  Yeah,
• 15:38
  it's
• 15:38
  super
• 15:38
  interesting
• 15:39
  and
• 15:39
  I
• 15:39
  know
• 15:39
  it's
• 15:39
  an
• 15:39
  ever
• 15:40
  evolving
• 15:40
  thing.
• 15:40
  So
• 15:40
  the
• 15:41
  challenges
• 15:41
  never
• 15:41
  go
• 15:42
  away.
• 15:42
  They
• 15:42
  just
• 15:42
  get
• 15:42
  different
• 15:43
  and
• 15:43
  bigger.
• 15:43
  Right.
• 15:46
  But
• 15:46
  so
• 15:47
  you're
• 15:47
  about
• 15:47
  five
• 15:47
  years
• 15:48
  in.
• 15:48
  You
• 15:48
  know,
• 15:48
  can
• 15:48
  you
• 15:49
  share
• 15:49
  maybe
• 15:49
  like
• 15:50
  your
• 15:50
  biggest
• 15:51
  surprise
• 15:51
  or
• 15:51
  one
• 15:52
  of
• 15:52
  your
• 15:52
  biggest
• 15:52
  challenges
• 15:53
  as
• 15:53
  you're
• 15:53
  kind
• 15:53
  of
• 15:53
  building
• 15:54
  out
• 15:54
  things
• 15:54
  to
• 15:54
  get
• 15:54
  to
• 15:55
  the
• 15:55
  Origins
• 15:55
  Foundation?
• 15:57
  Yeah,
• 15:57
  I
• 15:57
  think
• 15:58
  we
• 15:58
  do
• 15:59
  things
• 15:59
  differently,
• 15:59
  Marvin.
• 16:00
  And
• 16:01
  it's,
• 16:01
  it's
• 16:01
  a,
• 16:02
  it's
• 16:02
  a.
• 16:03
  In
• 16:03
  our
• 16:04
  industry,
• 16:05
  probably
• 16:05
  the
• 16:05
  same
• 16:06
  thing
• 16:06
  in
• 16:06
  the
• 16:06
  fly.
• 16:06
  In
• 16:07
  the
• 16:07
  fly
• 16:07
  fishing
• 16:07
  industry.
• 16:08
  There's
• 16:09
  a
• 16:09
  lot
• 16:09
  of
• 16:09
  ego
• 16:10
  in
• 16:10
  the
• 16:10
  industry.
• 16:12
  We
• 16:12
  have
• 16:12
  no
• 16:13
  ego.
• 16:14
  I
• 16:15
  could,
• 16:15
  you
• 16:15
  know,
• 16:16
  if
• 16:16
  it,
• 16:16
  if
• 16:17
  I
• 16:17
  just
• 16:17
  happen
• 16:17
  to
• 16:18
  be
• 16:18
  a
• 16:18
  face
• 16:18
  in
• 16:18
  the
• 16:18
  voice
• 16:19
  of
• 16:19
  the
• 16:19
  organization
• 16:20
  and
• 16:20
  because
• 16:20
  we
• 16:21
  need
• 16:21
  one,
• 16:21
  that's.
• 16:22
  It
• 16:22
  could
• 16:22
  be
• 16:22
  somebody
• 16:22
  else.
• 16:23
  I
• 16:23
  just
• 16:23
  happen
• 16:24
  to
• 16:24
  have
• 16:24
  an
• 16:25
  accent
• 16:25
  and
• 16:25
  the
• 16:26
  acumen.
• 16:26
  So,
• 16:26
  like,
• 16:26
  all
• 16:26
  right,
• 16:27
  you're
• 16:27
  the
• 16:27
  person.
• 16:27
  You're
• 16:28
  the
• 16:28
  face
• 16:28
  and
• 16:28
  the
• 16:28
  voice.
• 16:30
  But
• 16:30
  I
• 16:30
  don't
• 16:30
  have
• 16:30
  to
• 16:30
  be
• 16:31
  in.
• 16:31
  In
• 16:31
  all
• 16:31
  of
• 16:32
  our
• 16:32
  videos.
• 16:33
  I
• 16:33
  can
• 16:33
  hire
• 16:33
  other
• 16:34
  people
• 16:34
  to
• 16:34
  be
• 16:34
  in
• 16:34
  other.
• 16:35
  In
• 16:35
  our
• 16:35
  videos.
• 16:36
  We
• 16:37
  just
• 16:37
  don't
• 16:37
  have
• 16:37
  an
• 16:37
  ego
• 16:38
  and
• 16:38
  we
• 16:38
  have
• 16:38
  an
• 16:38
  ethos
• 16:39
  which
• 16:39
  is
• 16:39
  on
• 16:39
  I
• 16:39
  am
• 16:40
  second
• 16:40
  ethos,
• 16:41
  which
• 16:41
  is
• 16:42
  if
• 16:42
  you,
• 16:43
  Marvin,
• 16:43
  are
• 16:43
  doing
• 16:43
  great
• 16:44
  work,
• 16:44
  I'm
• 16:44
  going
• 16:45
  to
• 16:45
  lift
• 16:45
  you
• 16:45
  up.
• 16:45
  I'm
• 16:46
  going
• 16:46
  to
• 16:46
  tell
• 16:46
  everybody
• 16:46
  about
• 16:47
  how
• 16:47
  good
• 16:47
  a
• 16:47
  job
• 16:47
  you're
• 16:48
  doing.
• 16:48
  And
• 16:49
  I'm
• 16:49
  going
• 16:49
  to
• 16:49
  look
• 16:49
  at
• 16:49
  the
• 16:49
  guy
• 16:50
  next
• 16:50
  door
• 16:50
  to
• 16:50
  you
• 16:50
  who's
• 16:50
  your
• 16:51
  competitor
• 16:53
  in
• 16:53
  your
• 16:53
  space,
• 16:53
  and
• 16:54
  I'm
• 16:54
  going
• 16:54
  to
• 16:54
  lift
• 16:54
  him
• 16:54
  up
• 16:54
  too,
• 16:55
  because
• 16:55
  he's
• 16:56
  doing
• 16:56
  good
• 16:56
  stuff.
• 16:57
  And
• 16:57
  that's
• 16:58
  an
• 16:58
  anomaly.
• 16:58
  Nobody
• 16:59
  does
• 16:59
  that.
• 17:00
  That's
• 17:01
  just,
• 17:01
  that's
• 17:02
  altruistic.
• 17:03
  I
• 17:03
  want
• 17:03
  to
• 17:03
  be
• 17:03
  altruistic.
• 17:04
  We
• 17:04
  want
• 17:04
  to
• 17:04
  have
• 17:04
  a
• 17:05
  rising
• 17:05
  tide
• 17:05
  that
• 17:05
  rises
• 17:06
  all
• 17:06
  ships,
• 17:07
  and
• 17:07
  that's
• 17:07
  what
• 17:07
  we
• 17:07
  are
• 17:08
  and
• 17:08
  that's
• 17:08
  what
• 17:08
  we
• 17:08
  do.
• 17:09
  And
• 17:11
  that
• 17:11
  has
• 17:11
  been
• 17:11
  surprising
• 17:12
  to
• 17:12
  the
• 17:12
  industry.
• 17:14
  And
• 17:14
  so
• 17:15
  because
• 17:15
  that's
• 17:15
  surprising
• 17:16
  to
• 17:16
  the
• 17:16
  industry
• 17:16
  and
• 17:16
  it's
• 17:17
  unique,
• 17:18
  that
• 17:18
  was
• 17:18
  the
• 17:18
  biggest
• 17:19
  hurdle
• 17:19
  to
• 17:19
  climb
• 17:19
  over,
• 17:21
  is
• 17:21
  that
• 17:22
  you're
• 17:22
  not
• 17:22
  doing
• 17:22
  this
• 17:23
  for
• 17:23
  yourself
• 17:23
  or
• 17:23
  you're
• 17:24
  not
• 17:24
  doing
• 17:24
  this.
• 17:24
  Just
• 17:24
  you
• 17:24
  Know,
• 17:24
  I
• 17:25
  was
• 17:25
  like,
• 17:25
  no,
• 17:25
  we're
• 17:25
  doing
• 17:25
  this
• 17:25
  for
• 17:26
  the
• 17:26
  betterment
• 17:26
  of
• 17:26
  the
• 17:26
  community
• 17:27
  that
• 17:27
  we're
• 17:28
  all
• 17:28
  a
• 17:28
  part
• 17:28
  of.
• 17:29
  And
• 17:29
  then
• 17:30
  secondly,
• 17:30
  to
• 17:30
  raise
• 17:31
  money,
• 17:32
  we
• 17:32
  had
• 17:32
  to
• 17:32
  break
• 17:33
  the
• 17:33
  typical
• 17:33
  marketing
• 17:34
  model,
• 17:35
  which
• 17:36
  was
• 17:37
  a
• 17:38
  company
• 17:38
  A
• 17:40
  gives
• 17:40
  you
• 17:40
  X
• 17:40
  amount
• 17:41
  of
• 17:41
  dollars,
• 17:41
  and
• 17:41
  in
• 17:42
  return
• 17:42
  they
• 17:42
  get
• 17:43
  Y.
• 17:45
  Well,
• 17:46
  I.
• 17:47
  Before
• 17:47
  we
• 17:47
  turned
• 17:48
  ourselves
• 17:48
  into
• 17:48
  a
• 17:48
  nonprofit,
• 17:49
  every
• 17:49
  time
• 17:50
  I
• 17:50
  asked
• 17:50
  for
• 17:50
  money,
• 17:51
  they
• 17:52
  would
• 17:52
  say,
• 17:52
  well,
• 17:52
  we
• 17:52
  need
• 17:53
  Y.
• 17:53
  And
• 17:53
  I
• 17:53
  would
• 17:53
  be
• 17:53
  like,
• 17:54
  I'm
• 17:54
  not.
• 17:54
  Why
• 17:55
  would
• 17:55
  I
• 17:55
  give
• 17:55
  you.
• 17:55
  Why?
• 17:57
  Think
• 17:58
  about
• 17:58
  what
• 17:58
  we're
• 17:58
  doing.
• 17:59
  We're
• 17:59
  changing
• 18:00
  this
• 18:00
  narrative
• 18:00
  and
• 18:00
  this
• 18:01
  perception
• 18:01
  around
• 18:01
  hunting
• 18:02
  for
• 18:02
  the
• 18:02
  world.
• 18:03
  It's
• 18:03
  good
• 18:03
  for
• 18:03
  us.
• 18:04
  It's
• 18:04
  good
• 18:04
  for
• 18:04
  our
• 18:04
  community.
• 18:06
  You
• 18:06
  should
• 18:06
  believe
• 18:06
  in
• 18:06
  me
• 18:07
  and
• 18:07
  do
• 18:07
  that.
• 18:08
  Well,
• 18:08
  everybody
• 18:09
  said
• 18:09
  no
• 18:09
  to
• 18:09
  me.
• 18:10
  Everybody.
• 18:11
  Marvin.
• 18:12
  I
• 18:12
  didn't
• 18:12
  get
• 18:12
  a
• 18:13
  single
• 18:13
  dollar
• 18:14
  in
• 18:14
  three
• 18:14
  and
• 18:14
  a
• 18:14
  half
• 18:15
  years.
• 18:15
  And
• 18:16
  because
• 18:16
  of
• 18:16
  that,
• 18:17
  we
• 18:18
  didn't
• 18:18
  belong
• 18:18
  to
• 18:18
  anybody.
• 18:19
  And
• 18:20
  we
• 18:20
  could
• 18:20
  say
• 18:20
  whatever
• 18:20
  we
• 18:21
  wanted
• 18:21
  and
• 18:21
  we
• 18:21
  could
• 18:22
  talk
• 18:22
  to
• 18:22
  whoever
• 18:22
  we
• 18:23
  wanted.
• 18:23
  And
• 18:23
  so
• 18:23
  then
• 18:23
  when
• 18:23
  we
• 18:24
  turned
• 18:24
  ourselves
• 18:24
  into
• 18:24
  a
• 18:24
  charity,
• 18:26
  now
• 18:26
  I
• 18:27
  could
• 18:27
  go
• 18:27
  to
• 18:27
  company
• 18:28
  A
• 18:28
  and
• 18:28
  go,
• 18:28
  I'm
• 18:28
  a
• 18:29
  charity.
• 18:30
  Would
• 18:30
  you
• 18:30
  give
• 18:30
  us
• 18:31
  X
• 18:32
  to
• 18:32
  help
• 18:32
  support
• 18:32
  what
• 18:33
  we're
• 18:33
  doing
• 18:34
  and
• 18:34
  you're
• 18:35
  not
• 18:35
  getting
• 18:35
  why?
• 18:37
  And
• 18:37
  they
• 18:37
  said,
• 18:37
  yeah,
• 18:38
  we'll
• 18:38
  do
• 18:38
  that
• 18:40
  because
• 18:40
  we
• 18:40
  have
• 18:40
  proven
• 18:41
  ourselves
• 18:41
  now.
• 18:41
  Right.
• 18:42
  We
• 18:42
  weren't
• 18:42
  just
• 18:42
  a
• 18:42
  fly
• 18:42
  by
• 18:43
  night.
• 18:43
  We
• 18:44
  had
• 18:44
  proven
• 18:44
  ourselves.
• 18:45
  And
• 18:46
  now
• 18:46
  it's.
• 18:47
  It's
• 18:47
  just
• 18:47
  standard.
• 18:48
  Like,
• 18:48
  people
• 18:48
  know
• 18:48
  that,
• 18:49
  like,
• 18:49
  when
• 18:49
  they
• 18:49
  give
• 18:49
  us
• 18:49
  money,
• 18:50
  we're
• 18:51
  going
• 18:51
  to
• 18:51
  be
• 18:51
  thankful.
• 18:51
  Don't
• 18:52
  get
• 18:52
  me
• 18:52
  wrong.
• 18:53
  We're
• 18:53
  going
• 18:53
  to
• 18:53
  talk
• 18:53
  about
• 18:53
  them,
• 18:54
  but
• 18:55
  we're
• 18:55
  not
• 18:55
  delivering.
• 18:56
  Like,
• 18:56
  you
• 18:56
  have
• 18:57
  to
• 18:57
  give
• 18:57
  us,
• 18:57
  you
• 18:58
  know,
• 18:58
  four
• 18:58
  posts
• 18:58
  a
• 18:59
  week
• 18:59
  or
• 18:59
  whatever
• 18:59
  it
• 18:59
  is.
• 19:00
  So
• 19:01
  those
• 19:01
  are
• 19:01
  the
• 19:01
  two
• 19:01
  things
• 19:02
  that
• 19:02
  I
• 19:02
  think
• 19:02
  we've
• 19:02
  sort
• 19:03
  of
• 19:03
  upset
• 19:03
  the
• 19:03
  apple
• 19:04
  cart
• 19:04
  a
• 19:04
  little
• 19:04
  bit,
• 19:05
  but
• 19:05
  that
• 19:06
  were
• 19:06
  a
• 19:06
  couple
• 19:06
  of
• 19:06
  challenges
• 19:07
  that
• 19:07
  we
• 19:07
  had
• 19:07
  to
• 19:07
  climb
• 19:08
  over.
• 19:08
  Yeah.
• 19:08
  It's
• 19:09
  always
• 19:09
  interesting
• 19:09
  when
• 19:09
  you
• 19:10
  try
• 19:10
  to
• 19:10
  do
• 19:10
  things
• 19:10
  a
• 19:10
  different
• 19:10
  way,
• 19:11
  and
• 19:11
  it's
• 19:11
  almost
• 19:11
  like
• 19:12
  you're
• 19:12
  speaking
• 19:12
  a
• 19:12
  different
• 19:12
  language,
• 19:13
  right?
• 19:14
  Yeah,
• 19:15
  yeah,
• 19:16
  yeah.
• 19:16
  And
• 19:16
  so
• 19:17
  for.
• 19:17
  Obviously
• 19:17
  you're.
• 19:17
  You're,
• 19:18
  you
• 19:18
  know,
• 19:18
  you're
• 19:18
  a
• 19:18
  hunting
• 19:18
  advocacy
• 19:19
  group,
• 19:19
  but,
• 19:19
  you
• 19:19
  know,
• 19:20
  you
• 19:20
  focus
• 19:20
  on
• 19:20
  non
• 19:20
  hunters
• 19:21
  and,
• 19:21
  you
• 19:22
  know,
• 19:22
  why
• 19:22
  should
• 19:22
  non
• 19:22
  hunters
• 19:23
  care
• 19:23
  about
• 19:23
  what
• 19:24
  you
• 19:24
  do?
• 19:26
  Yeah.
• 19:26
  So
• 19:27
  we
• 19:27
  are
• 19:27
  obviously
• 19:29
  heavily
• 19:29
  advocating
• 19:30
  for
• 19:30
  hunting.
• 19:31
  However,
• 19:32
  we
• 19:32
  do
• 19:32
  say
• 19:33
  that
• 19:33
  it's
• 19:33
  not
• 19:33
  the
• 19:33
  golden.
• 19:34
  It's
• 19:34
  not
• 19:34
  the.
• 19:34
  It's
• 19:35
  not
• 19:35
  the
• 19:35
  panacea.
• 19:36
  Hunting
• 19:36
  is
• 19:37
  not
• 19:37
  the
• 19:37
  silver
• 19:37
  bullet
• 19:38
  to
• 19:38
  wildlife
• 19:38
  conservation.
• 19:40
  It's
• 19:40
  a
• 19:40
  very
• 19:40
  important
• 19:41
  tool
• 19:41
  in
• 19:42
  a
• 19:42
  toolbox.
• 19:42
  That's
• 19:42
  very
• 19:43
  limited,
• 19:43
  Marvin.
• 19:44
  If
• 19:44
  you
• 19:44
  think
• 19:44
  about
• 19:44
  the
• 19:45
  things
• 19:45
  that
• 19:45
  you
• 19:45
  can
• 19:45
  do
• 19:45
  in
• 19:45
  this
• 19:46
  world
• 19:46
  for
• 19:46
  wildlife
• 19:47
  conservation,
• 19:47
  it
• 19:47
  comes
• 19:48
  down
• 19:48
  to
• 19:48
  like,
• 19:48
  seven
• 19:48
  things,
• 19:50
  one
• 19:50
  of
• 19:50
  which
• 19:50
  is
• 19:51
  Hunting.
• 19:52
  And
• 19:52
  so
• 19:52
  a
• 19:53
  non
• 19:53
  hunter,
• 19:53
  the
• 19:53
  general
• 19:54
  public
• 19:54
  that
• 19:54
  we
• 19:54
  speak
• 19:55
  to
• 19:56
  needs
• 19:56
  to
• 19:57
  understand
• 19:57
  that
• 19:58
  we're
• 19:58
  on
• 19:59
  the
• 19:59
  same
• 19:59
  team,
• 19:59
  we're
• 19:59
  after
• 20:00
  the
• 20:00
  same
• 20:00
  thing.
• 20:01
  I
• 20:01
  think
• 20:01
  most
• 20:01
  people
• 20:02
  in
• 20:02
  this
• 20:02
  world,
• 20:03
  the
• 20:04
  vast
• 20:04
  majority,
• 20:04
  would,
• 20:05
  when
• 20:05
  you
• 20:05
  ask
• 20:05
  the
• 20:05
  question
• 20:06
  of
• 20:06
  what
• 20:06
  is
• 20:06
  your
• 20:06
  goal,
• 20:07
  what
• 20:07
  would
• 20:07
  you
• 20:07
  think
• 20:07
  around
• 20:08
  wildlife
• 20:08
  conservation?
• 20:09
  Is
• 20:09
  that
• 20:09
  good
• 20:10
  thing
• 20:10
  or
• 20:10
  bad
• 20:10
  thing?
• 20:12
  I
• 20:12
  reckon
• 20:13
  half,
• 20:13
  you
• 20:13
  know,
• 20:13
  not
• 20:13
  half,
• 20:14
  the
• 20:14
  vast
• 20:14
  majority,
• 20:15
  90%
• 20:15
  or
• 20:15
  more,
• 20:16
  would
• 20:16
  say
• 20:17
  it's
• 20:17
  good.
• 20:17
  We
• 20:18
  want
• 20:18
  to
• 20:18
  protect
• 20:18
  wildlife,
• 20:20
  we
• 20:20
  want
• 20:20
  to
• 20:20
  support
• 20:20
  wildlife
• 20:21
  conservation,
• 20:21
  we
• 20:22
  want
• 20:22
  better
• 20:22
  wildlife
• 20:22
  in
• 20:23
  the
• 20:23
  future.
• 20:24
  And
• 20:24
  we
• 20:24
  agree.
• 20:26
  And
• 20:26
  we
• 20:27
  just
• 20:27
  want
• 20:27
  to
• 20:27
  educate
• 20:28
  you
• 20:29
  about
• 20:29
  this
• 20:30
  tool
• 20:30
  that
• 20:30
  has
• 20:31
  a
• 20:31
  bad
• 20:31
  rack
• 20:33
  around,
• 20:33
  it
• 20:33
  has
• 20:34
  bad
• 20:34
  PR
• 20:35
  around,
• 20:35
  it
• 20:36
  is
• 20:36
  malaligned
• 20:39
  to
• 20:39
  say
• 20:39
  it's
• 20:39
  not
• 20:39
  as
• 20:40
  bad
• 20:40
  as
• 20:40
  everyone
• 20:40
  portrays
• 20:41
  it
• 20:41
  to
• 20:41
  be.
• 20:41
  There's
• 20:42
  a
• 20:42
  sector
• 20:43
  of
• 20:43
  our
• 20:43
  world
• 20:43
  that
• 20:44
  hates
• 20:44
  what
• 20:44
  we
• 20:44
  do
• 20:45
  because
• 20:45
  it
• 20:46
  doesn't
• 20:46
  fit
• 20:47
  philosophically
• 20:49
  with
• 20:49
  the
• 20:50
  way
• 20:50
  their
• 20:50
  beliefs.
• 20:52
  And
• 20:52
  instead
• 20:53
  of
• 20:53
  saying,
• 20:54
  we
• 20:54
  don't
• 20:55
  like
• 20:55
  your
• 20:56
  activity,
• 20:56
  but
• 20:56
  we
• 20:57
  can
• 20:57
  still
• 20:57
  see
• 20:58
  the
• 20:58
  benefits
• 20:58
  that
• 20:58
  come
• 20:59
  from
• 20:59
  it,
• 20:59
  I.
• 20:59
  E.
• 21:00
  Wildlife
• 21:00
  conservation,
• 21:01
  habitat
• 21:02
  protection,
• 21:03
  they
• 21:03
  choose
• 21:03
  to
• 21:04
  try
• 21:04
  and
• 21:04
  get
• 21:04
  rid
• 21:04
  of
• 21:04
  the
• 21:05
  tool.
• 21:06
  And
• 21:06
  so
• 21:07
  that's
• 21:07
  why
• 21:08
  we
• 21:08
  speak
• 21:09
  to
• 21:09
  that
• 21:09
  general
• 21:09
  public,
• 21:09
  we
• 21:10
  speak
• 21:10
  to
• 21:10
  that
• 21:10
  non
• 21:10
  hunter
• 21:11
  and
• 21:11
  say,
• 21:11
  hey,
• 21:13
  that
• 21:13
  non
• 21:13
  hunter.
• 21:13
  Let's
• 21:14
  just
• 21:14
  make
• 21:14
  sure
• 21:14
  we,
• 21:15
  from
• 21:15
  a.
• 21:15
  We're
• 21:15
  clarifying
• 21:16
  from
• 21:16
  a
• 21:16
  definition
• 21:16
  that
• 21:17
  non
• 21:17
  hunter
• 21:17
  is
• 21:18
  a
• 21:18
  non
• 21:18
  hunter,
• 21:18
  it's
• 21:18
  not
• 21:19
  an
• 21:19
  anti
• 21:19
  hunter.
• 21:21
  So
• 21:22
  we
• 21:22
  just
• 21:22
  want
• 21:22
  to,
• 21:22
  we
• 21:22
  just
• 21:23
  want
• 21:23
  to
• 21:23
  sway
• 21:23
  their
• 21:23
  decisions
• 21:25
  towards
• 21:25
  the
• 21:26
  more
• 21:26
  positive
• 21:26
  side
• 21:27
  of,
• 21:27
  of
• 21:28
  sustainable
• 21:29
  use,
• 21:29
  I.
• 21:29
  E.
• 21:29
  Hunting.
• 21:31
  Got
• 21:31
  it.
• 21:31
  And
• 21:31
  so
• 21:31
  it's
• 21:32
  interesting
• 21:32
  too,
• 21:32
  because
• 21:32
  kind
• 21:32
  of,
• 21:33
  as
• 21:33
  I
• 21:33
  was
• 21:33
  doing
• 21:33
  research
• 21:33
  for
• 21:34
  the
• 21:34
  interview,
• 21:34
  I
• 21:34
  sort
• 21:34
  of
• 21:34
  think
• 21:35
  of
• 21:35
  the
• 21:35
  Origins
• 21:35
  foundation
• 21:36
  as
• 21:36
  a
• 21:36
  management
• 21:37
  philosophy
• 21:38
  and
• 21:38
  a
• 21:38
  communication
• 21:39
  strategy.
• 21:40
  Right.
• 21:40
  And
• 21:41
  I,
• 21:41
  and
• 21:41
  I
• 21:41
  think
• 21:41
  of
• 21:41
  the
• 21:41
  management
• 21:42
  philosophy
• 21:43
  as
• 21:43
  sustainable
• 21:43
  use.
• 21:44
  And
• 21:44
  I
• 21:44
  would
• 21:45
  really
• 21:45
  like
• 21:45
  you
• 21:45
  to
• 21:45
  kind
• 21:45
  of
• 21:46
  expound
• 21:46
  on
• 21:46
  that
• 21:46
  and
• 21:47
  like,
• 21:47
  kind
• 21:47
  of
• 21:47
  why
• 21:48
  that
• 21:48
  management
• 21:49
  philosophy
• 21:49
  is
• 21:49
  kind
• 21:50
  of
• 21:50
  the
• 21:50
  bedrock
• 21:50
  of
• 21:50
  what
• 21:50
  you're
• 21:51
  doing
• 21:51
  at
• 21:51
  the
• 21:51
  Origins
• 21:51
  Foundation.
• 21:54
  It's
• 21:54
  the
• 21:54
  bedrock.
• 21:55
  And
• 21:55
  to
• 21:55
  me,
• 21:55
  the
• 21:56
  reason
• 21:56
  we're
• 21:56
  focusing
• 21:57
  so
• 21:57
  hard
• 21:57
  on
• 21:57
  it
• 21:57
  is
• 21:58
  because
• 21:58
  we
• 21:58
  believe
• 21:58
  it's
• 21:58
  the
• 21:59
  future,
• 22:00
  it's
• 22:00
  the
• 22:00
  future
• 22:00
  of
• 22:01
  wildlife
• 22:01
  conservation
• 22:02
  in
• 22:02
  this
• 22:02
  world.
• 22:03
  The
• 22:03
  reason
• 22:03
  it's
• 22:03
  the
• 22:04
  future
• 22:04
  of
• 22:04
  wildlife
• 22:04
  conservation
• 22:05
  in
• 22:05
  this
• 22:05
  world
• 22:05
  is
• 22:05
  that
• 22:05
  the
• 22:06
  human
• 22:06
  population
• 22:06
  on
• 22:07
  this
• 22:07
  planet
• 22:07
  is
• 22:07
  burgeoning.
• 22:09
  Yeah.
• 22:09
  There's
• 22:09
  certain
• 22:10
  countries
• 22:10
  that
• 22:10
  definitely
• 22:11
  the
• 22:11
  human
• 22:11
  population
• 22:11
  is
• 22:12
  starting
• 22:12
  to
• 22:12
  trend
• 22:12
  down,
• 22:13
  but
• 22:13
  there's
• 22:14
  no
• 22:14
  place
• 22:14
  in
• 22:14
  this
• 22:15
  world
• 22:16
  that
• 22:16
  the
• 22:16
  pressures
• 22:17
  on
• 22:17
  habitat
• 22:18
  and
• 22:18
  wildlife
• 22:19
  are
• 22:19
  not
• 22:19
  being
• 22:19
  felt
• 22:20
  because
• 22:20
  of
• 22:21
  humans.
• 22:23
  And
• 22:23
  because
• 22:24
  of
• 22:24
  that
• 22:25
  fact,
• 22:27
  we
• 22:28
  as
• 22:28
  humans
• 22:30
  have
• 22:31
  a
• 22:31
  greater
• 22:31
  responsibility
• 22:32
  to
• 22:32
  steward
• 22:33
  the
• 22:33
  remaining
• 22:33
  habitat
• 22:34
  and
• 22:34
  wildlife
• 22:35
  that
• 22:36
  we
• 22:36
  can
• 22:37
  look
• 22:37
  after,
• 22:39
  which
• 22:39
  means
• 22:40
  sustainable
• 22:41
  use
• 22:42
  needs
• 22:42
  to
• 22:42
  play
• 22:42
  a
• 22:43
  role
• 22:44
  in
• 22:44
  making
• 22:44
  sure
• 22:45
  that
• 22:45
  we
• 22:45
  protect
• 22:45
  habitat
• 22:46
  and
• 22:46
  protect
• 22:46
  wildlife
• 22:47
  in
• 22:47
  the
• 22:47
  future.
• 22:48
  Because
• 22:48
  if
• 22:48
  wildlife
• 22:49
  has
• 22:49
  value
• 22:50
  to
• 22:51
  Joe
• 22:51
  the
• 22:51
  farmer
• 22:53
  and
• 22:53
  an
• 22:53
  elephant
• 22:54
  raids
• 22:54
  his
• 22:54
  crop
• 22:56
  every
• 22:56
  fortnight
• 22:58
  and
• 22:58
  that
• 22:58
  elephant
• 22:59
  has
• 22:59
  no
• 22:59
  value,
• 23:00
  what's
• 23:01
  going
• 23:01
  to
• 23:01
  happen
• 23:01
  to
• 23:01
  that
• 23:01
  elephant,
• 23:02
  Marvin?
• 23:04
  It's
• 23:04
  just
• 23:04
  going
• 23:04
  to
• 23:04
  keep
• 23:05
  on
• 23:05
  doing
• 23:05
  what
• 23:05
  it's
• 23:05
  doing.
• 23:06
  It's
• 23:06
  going
• 23:07
  to
• 23:07
  get
• 23:07
  poisoned
• 23:08
  or
• 23:08
  it's
• 23:08
  going
• 23:08
  to
• 23:08
  get
• 23:09
  chopped.
• 23:09
  You
• 23:09
  know,
• 23:09
  it's
• 23:10
  hamstring
• 23:10
  chopped
• 23:11
  by
• 23:11
  the
• 23:11
  local
• 23:11
  villages
• 23:12
  and
• 23:12
  they're
• 23:12
  just
• 23:12
  going
• 23:12
  to
• 23:12
  slaughter
• 23:13
  it
• 23:14
  because
• 23:14
  they're
• 23:14
  sick
• 23:15
  and
• 23:15
  tired
• 23:15
  of
• 23:15
  their
• 23:15
  crops
• 23:16
  being
• 23:16
  raided.
• 23:18
  But
• 23:18
  what
• 23:18
  if
• 23:19
  there
• 23:19
  was
• 23:20
  a
• 23:20
  sustainable
• 23:20
  use
• 23:21
  model
• 23:21
  in
• 23:21
  that
• 23:21
  area
• 23:23
  where
• 23:23
  that
• 23:24
  elephant
• 23:25
  could
• 23:26
  potentially
• 23:26
  be
• 23:26
  hunted
• 23:27
  by
• 23:27
  someone
• 23:30
  and
• 23:30
  money
• 23:30
  generated
• 23:31
  for
• 23:31
  the
• 23:31
  community
• 23:32
  and
• 23:32
  the
• 23:32
  village,
• 23:33
  what
• 23:34
  then?
• 23:34
  What
• 23:34
  has
• 23:34
  just
• 23:35
  changed
• 23:35
  in
• 23:35
  their
• 23:35
  mind?
• 23:36
  The
• 23:36
  change
• 23:36
  is
• 23:36
  a
• 23:36
  value.
• 23:38
  So
• 23:38
  I'm
• 23:38
  willing
• 23:39
  to
• 23:39
  accept
• 23:40
  some
• 23:41
  risk
• 23:41
  and
• 23:41
  crop
• 23:42
  damage
• 23:43
  because
• 23:43
  I
• 23:43
  know
• 23:43
  that
• 23:44
  that
• 23:44
  elephant's
• 23:44
  actually
• 23:45
  doing
• 23:45
  more
• 23:45
  for
• 23:45
  me
• 23:46
  alive
• 23:46
  when
• 23:46
  somebody
• 23:47
  comes
• 23:47
  in
• 23:47
  and
• 23:47
  hunts
• 23:48
  it
• 23:48
  appropriately
• 23:50
  than
• 23:51
  not.
• 23:51
  Nobody
• 23:52
  hunting
• 23:52
  it,
• 23:52
  nobody
• 23:53
  using
• 23:53
  it
• 23:53
  sustainably.
• 23:55
  And
• 23:55
  I
• 23:55
  just
• 23:56
  hate
• 23:56
  that
• 23:56
  animal.
• 23:59
  So
• 24:00
  that's
• 24:00
  the
• 24:00
  premise,
• 24:01
  that
• 24:01
  sustainable
• 24:02
  use
• 24:02
  provides
• 24:03
  more
• 24:03
  value,
• 24:04
  not
• 24:05
  all
• 24:05
  of
• 24:05
  the
• 24:05
  value.
• 24:06
  Again,
• 24:06
  it's
• 24:06
  not
• 24:06
  the
• 24:06
  silver
• 24:07
  bullet,
• 24:07
  it's
• 24:07
  not
• 24:07
  the
• 24:07
  panacea.
• 24:09
  It
• 24:09
  provides
• 24:09
  more
• 24:10
  value
• 24:10
  to
• 24:10
  wildlife,
• 24:11
  which
• 24:11
  means
• 24:12
  wildlife
• 24:12
  will
• 24:12
  be
• 24:13
  looked
• 24:13
  at
• 24:13
  in
• 24:13
  a
• 24:13
  way
• 24:14
  that
• 24:14
  will
• 24:15
  be
• 24:15
  sustained
• 24:16
  for
• 24:16
  our
• 24:17
  kids
• 24:17
  and
• 24:17
  our
• 24:17
  grandkids
• 24:18
  one
• 24:18
  day.
• 24:19
  Got
• 24:19
  it.
• 24:20
  And
• 24:20
  you
• 24:20
  know,
• 24:20
  and
• 24:20
  then
• 24:20
  the
• 24:20
  communication
• 24:21
  strategy
• 24:21
  and
• 24:22
  we
• 24:22
  talked,
• 24:22
  you
• 24:22
  know,
• 24:22
  you
• 24:22
  focus
• 24:23
  on
• 24:24
  not
• 24:24
  anti
• 24:24
  hunters,
• 24:25
  but
• 24:25
  non
• 24:25
  hunters.
• 24:25
  But
• 24:25
  you're
• 24:26
  also.
• 24:26
  Your
• 24:27
  storytelling
• 24:27
  is
• 24:28
  a
• 24:28
  broader
• 24:28
  arc
• 24:29
  of
• 24:29
  the
• 24:29
  hunting
• 24:29
  experience
• 24:30
  or
• 24:30
  it
• 24:30
  focuses
• 24:31
  on,
• 24:32
  you
• 24:32
  know,
• 24:33
  the
• 24:33
  human
• 24:33
  experience.
• 24:34
  Kind
• 24:34
  of
• 24:34
  like
• 24:35
  planning
• 24:35
  all
• 24:35
  the
• 24:36
  way
• 24:36
  through
• 24:36
  to
• 24:36
  the
• 24:36
  harvest
• 24:37
  and
• 24:37
  after
• 24:37
  the
• 24:37
  harvest.
• 24:38
  And
• 24:38
  that's
• 24:39
  one.
• 24:39
  It's
• 24:39
  very
• 24:39
  different
• 24:40
  than
• 24:40
  most
• 24:40
  hunting
• 24:42
  communication
• 24:43
  strategy.
• 24:43
  Right.
• 24:43
  Like,
• 24:44
  you
• 24:44
  know,
• 24:44
  if
• 24:44
  you
• 24:44
  go
• 24:44
  to
• 24:44
  Outdoor
• 24:45
  Life
• 24:45
  Network,
• 24:45
  that's
• 24:45
  usually
• 24:46
  not
• 24:46
  what's
• 24:46
  going
• 24:46
  on,
• 24:47
  but
• 24:47
  the
• 24:47
  other.
• 24:48
  Speaking
• 24:48
  to
• 24:48
  a
• 24:48
  hunting
• 24:49
  community.
• 24:50
  Yeah,
• 24:50
  their
• 24:50
  communication
• 24:51
  strategy,
• 24:51
  their
• 24:51
  communication
• 24:52
  strategies.
• 24:52
  We
• 24:52
  talk
• 24:52
  to
• 24:52
  hunters,
• 24:53
  so
• 24:53
  we're
• 24:53
  going
• 24:53
  to
• 24:53
  show
• 24:54
  hunts,
• 24:54
  we're
• 24:54
  going
• 24:55
  to
• 24:55
  show
• 24:55
  people
• 24:55
  killing
• 24:55
  things.
• 24:56
  Yeah,
• 24:57
  it's.
• 24:57
  Yeah.
• 24:58
  And
• 24:58
  so
• 24:58
  the
• 24:58
  interesting
• 24:58
  thing
• 24:58
  too
• 24:59
  is
• 24:59
  that's
• 24:59
  also
• 24:59
  a
• 24:59
  very
• 25:00
  different
• 25:00
  strategy
• 25:01
  from
• 25:01
  kind
• 25:02
  of
• 25:02
  your
• 25:02
  professional
• 25:03
  background.
• 25:03
  Like
• 25:03
  that's
• 25:04
  not
• 25:04
  a,
• 25:04
  like
• 25:04
  a,
• 25:05
  that's
• 25:05
  not
• 25:05
  the
• 25:05
  way
• 25:05
  you
• 25:06
  generally
• 25:06
  talk
• 25:06
  to
• 25:06
  people
• 25:07
  about
• 25:07
  what's
• 25:07
  going
• 25:08
  on.
• 25:08
  And
• 25:08
  so
• 25:08
  I
• 25:08
  was
• 25:08
  kind
• 25:08
  of
• 25:08
  curious
• 25:09
  how
• 25:10
  you
• 25:10
  settled
• 25:10
  on,
• 25:11
  let's
• 25:11
  just
• 25:11
  call
• 25:11
  it
• 25:12
  the
• 25:12
  persuadable
• 25:12
  middle
• 25:14
  for
• 25:14
  your
• 25:14
  communication
• 25:15
  strategy.
• 25:17
  You
• 25:17
  know,
• 25:17
  it's
• 25:17
  not
• 25:17
  that
• 25:18
  far
• 25:18
  different
• 25:19
  from
• 25:19
  what
• 25:19
  I
• 25:19
  was
• 25:19
  doing
• 25:20
  from
• 25:20
  a
• 25:20
  science
• 25:20
  perspective.
• 25:21
  My
• 25:21
  science
• 25:22
  was
• 25:22
  all
• 25:22
  management
• 25:23
  based,
• 25:24
  so
• 25:25
  I
• 25:25
  was
• 25:25
  using
• 25:26
  my
• 25:26
  science
• 25:26
  to
• 25:27
  sway
• 25:28
  politicians
• 25:29
  and
• 25:29
  politics
• 25:29
  and
• 25:31
  almost
• 25:31
  the
• 25:31
  general
• 25:32
  public
• 25:32
  to
• 25:32
  say,
• 25:32
  and
• 25:33
  back
• 25:33
  then
• 25:33
  I
• 25:33
  was
• 25:33
  in
• 25:34
  the
• 25:34
  farming
• 25:34
  space,
• 25:35
  agricultural
• 25:35
  farming
• 25:36
  space,
• 25:36
  and
• 25:36
  using
• 25:37
  wetlands.
• 25:37
  And
• 25:38
  so
• 25:38
  I
• 25:38
  was
• 25:38
  using
• 25:39
  my
• 25:39
  science
• 25:39
  to
• 25:40
  convince
• 25:40
  others
• 25:41
  that
• 25:41
  this
• 25:41
  is
• 25:41
  good.
• 25:43
  Same
• 25:43
  thing.
• 25:44
  Now
• 25:44
  I'm
• 25:44
  using
• 25:45
  communication
• 25:46
  strategies,
• 25:47
  whether
• 25:47
  it's
• 25:47
  science,
• 25:47
  whether
• 25:48
  it's
• 25:48
  blog
• 25:48
  articles,
• 25:48
  whether
• 25:49
  it's
• 25:49
  podcasts,
• 25:49
  whether
• 25:50
  it's
• 25:50
  films,
• 25:50
  whether
• 25:50
  it's
• 25:51
  documentaries,
• 25:51
  whether
• 25:51
  it's,
• 25:52
  you
• 25:52
  know,
• 25:53
  commenting
• 25:53
  on
• 25:53
  social
• 25:54
  media
• 25:55
  as
• 25:55
  a
• 25:56
  means
• 25:56
  to
• 25:56
  sway
• 25:57
  opinion
• 25:58
  on
• 25:58
  this
• 25:58
  thing
• 25:59
  that
• 25:59
  I
• 25:59
  think
• 25:59
  is
• 25:59
  good.
• 26:01
  Yeah,
• 26:01
  I
• 26:02
  get
• 26:02
  that.
• 26:02
  I
• 26:02
  guess
• 26:02
  what
• 26:02
  I'm
• 26:02
  saying
• 26:03
  though
• 26:03
  is
• 26:03
  most
• 26:03
  people
• 26:03
  generally,
• 26:04
  they
• 26:04
  try
• 26:04
  to
• 26:04
  kind
• 26:04
  of
• 26:05
  preach
• 26:05
  to
• 26:05
  the
• 26:05
  choir
• 26:05
  as
• 26:06
  opposed
• 26:06
  to
• 26:06
  finding
• 26:06
  the
• 26:07
  people
• 26:07
  whose
• 26:07
  minds
• 26:07
  they
• 26:07
  can
• 26:08
  change.
• 26:08
  And
• 26:08
  that's
• 26:08
  a,
• 26:09
  you
• 26:09
  know,
• 26:09
  I
• 26:09
  wouldn't
• 26:10
  say
• 26:10
  it's
• 26:10
  singularly
• 26:10
  unique,
• 26:11
  but
• 26:11
  most
• 26:11
  people
• 26:11
  are
• 26:11
  not
• 26:12
  that
• 26:12
  sophisticated
• 26:12
  in
• 26:13
  their
• 26:13
  advocacy.
• 26:14
  Yeah,
• 26:14
  no,
• 26:15
  you're,
• 26:15
  you're
• 26:15
  absolutely
• 26:16
  right.
• 26:16
  I
• 26:16
  think
• 26:17
  you,
• 26:17
  you've
• 26:18
  got
• 26:18
  to,
• 26:19
  we've
• 26:19
  got
• 26:19
  to,
• 26:19
  we,
• 26:20
  we
• 26:20
  are
• 26:20
  constantly
• 26:21
  looking
• 26:21
  at
• 26:21
  it
• 26:21
  through
• 26:21
  a
• 26:22
  lens
• 26:22
  that
• 26:23
  this
• 26:23
  person
• 26:23
  that
• 26:23
  we're
• 26:24
  into.
• 26:24
  So
• 26:24
  a
• 26:24
  couple
• 26:24
  of,
• 26:25
  couple
• 26:25
  of
• 26:25
  lenses.
• 26:25
  We
• 26:26
  look
• 26:26
  at
• 26:26
  this
• 26:26
  when
• 26:26
  somebody
• 26:27
  engages
• 26:27
  us
• 26:28
  and
• 26:28
  calls
• 26:29
  us
• 26:29
  every
• 26:29
  name
• 26:30
  under
• 26:30
  the
• 26:30
  sun.
• 26:30
  They
• 26:31
  typically
• 26:31
  are
• 26:31
  not
• 26:31
  a
• 26:32
  non
• 26:32
  hunter.
• 26:33
  They
• 26:34
  typically
• 26:34
  are
• 26:34
  an
• 26:34
  anti
• 26:35
  hunter.
• 26:36
  And
• 26:36
  so
• 26:37
  what
• 26:37
  the
• 26:37
  lens
• 26:37
  that
• 26:37
  we
• 26:37
  immediately
• 26:38
  go
• 26:38
  to
• 26:39
  is
• 26:39
  one
• 26:39
  of
• 26:40
  honesty.
• 26:42
  We
• 26:43
  very,
• 26:44
  are
• 26:44
  very
• 26:44
  upfront.
• 26:46
  Like
• 26:46
  if
• 26:46
  they're
• 26:46
  commenting
• 26:47
  on
• 26:47
  a
• 26:48
  picture
• 26:48
  that
• 26:48
  looks
• 26:49
  terrible,
• 26:50
  everyone's
• 26:51
  seen
• 26:51
  those
• 26:51
  terrible
• 26:52
  hunting
• 26:52
  photos,
• 26:54
  we
• 26:55
  gotta
• 26:55
  be
• 26:55
  honest
• 26:55
  and
• 26:55
  go,
• 26:55
  yeah,
• 26:56
  you're
• 26:56
  right,
• 26:56
  that's
• 26:57
  a
• 26:57
  terrible
• 26:57
  photo.
• 26:58
  We
• 26:58
  agree
• 26:59
  with
• 26:59
  you.
• 27:00
  And
• 27:00
  so
• 27:00
  you're
• 27:00
  disarming
• 27:01
  them
• 27:01
  immediately.
• 27:03
  And
• 27:03
  then
• 27:03
  secondly,
• 27:04
  like,
• 27:04
  then
• 27:04
  you
• 27:04
  say,
• 27:04
  well,
• 27:05
  let
• 27:05
  me,
• 27:05
  let
• 27:06
  me
• 27:06
  just
• 27:06
  for
• 27:06
  a
• 27:06
  second,
• 27:07
  let's
• 27:07
  talk
• 27:07
  about
• 27:08
  the
• 27:09
  things
• 27:09
  that
• 27:09
  came
• 27:10
  because
• 27:10
  of
• 27:10
  that,
• 27:11
  that
• 27:11
  hunt.
• 27:12
  Let
• 27:12
  me,
• 27:12
  let
• 27:13
  me
• 27:13
  talk
• 27:13
  to
• 27:13
  you
• 27:13
  about
• 27:13
  the
• 27:13
  village.
• 27:14
  Let
• 27:14
  me
• 27:14
  talk
• 27:14
  to
• 27:14
  you
• 27:14
  about
• 27:14
  the
• 27:15
  person,
• 27:15
  Let
• 27:16
  me
• 27:16
  talk
• 27:16
  to
• 27:16
  you
• 27:16
  about
• 27:16
  the
• 27:17
  community
• 27:18
  upliftment
• 27:19
  that
• 27:19
  came
• 27:19
  from
• 27:20
  that
• 27:21
  hunt.
• 27:24
  That
• 27:24
  individual
• 27:24
  that
• 27:25
  I'm
• 27:25
  engaging
• 27:25
  with
• 27:25
  is
• 27:26
  not
• 27:26
  going
• 27:26
  to
• 27:26
  get
• 27:26
  his
• 27:26
  mind
• 27:26
  changed
• 27:27
  or
• 27:27
  her
• 27:27
  mind
• 27:27
  changed.
• 27:28
  Okay,
• 27:29
  but
• 27:30
  depending
• 27:30
  on
• 27:30
  the
• 27:30
  account,
• 27:31
  depending
• 27:32
  on
• 27:32
  the
• 27:32
  situation,
• 27:34
  there
• 27:34
  could
• 27:34
  be
• 27:34
  fifty
• 27:35
  thousand
• 27:35
  to
• 27:35
  a
• 27:35
  hundred
• 27:35
  thousand
• 27:36
  people
• 27:36
  that
• 27:36
  read
• 27:37
  what
• 27:37
  I
• 27:37
  wrote.
• 27:40
  Most
• 27:40
  of
• 27:40
  them
• 27:40
  are
• 27:40
  non
• 27:41
  hunters
• 27:43
  and,
• 27:43
  or
• 27:43
  hunters.
• 27:44
  And
• 27:45
  so
• 27:45
  for
• 27:45
  the
• 27:45
  non
• 27:45
  hunters,
• 27:46
  we
• 27:47
  have
• 27:47
  just
• 27:47
  put
• 27:48
  our,
• 27:48
  ourselves
• 27:49
  in
• 27:49
  front
• 27:49
  of
• 27:49
  them
• 27:49
  because
• 27:50
  again,
• 27:51
  you
• 27:51
  can't
• 27:51
  believe
• 27:51
  the
• 27:51
  voyeurism
• 27:52
  in
• 27:52
  this
• 27:53
  world
• 27:53
  when
• 27:53
  it
• 27:53
  comes
• 27:53
  to
• 27:53
  social
• 27:54
  media.
• 27:55
  There
• 27:55
  are
• 27:55
  lots
• 27:56
  of
• 27:56
  people
• 27:56
  that
• 27:56
  don't
• 27:56
  engage,
• 27:57
  they
• 27:57
  don't
• 27:57
  like
• 27:58
  things,
• 27:58
  they
• 27:58
  don't
• 27:58
  comment
• 27:59
  things.
• 27:59
  They
• 27:59
  just,
• 27:59
  but
• 27:59
  they
• 27:59
  want
• 28:00
  to
• 28:00
  read,
• 28:00
  they
• 28:00
  want
• 28:00
  to
• 28:00
  be
• 28:01
  in
• 28:01
  the
• 28:01
  know.
• 28:02
  The
• 28:02
  FOMO
• 28:02
  is
• 28:03
  big,
• 28:03
  right?
• 28:03
  So
• 28:04
  I
• 28:04
  want
• 28:04
  to
• 28:04
  be
• 28:04
  involved.
• 28:04
  I
• 28:05
  want
• 28:05
  to
• 28:05
  know.
• 28:06
  Well,
• 28:06
  they're
• 28:07
  seeing
• 28:07
  me
• 28:08
  do
• 28:08
  a
• 28:08
  couple
• 28:08
  of
• 28:08
  things.
• 28:09
  They're.
• 28:09
  They're
• 28:09
  getting
• 28:09
  information
• 28:10
  out
• 28:11
  of
• 28:11
  my
• 28:11
  comment.
• 28:12
  They're
• 28:13
  seeing
• 28:13
  a
• 28:13
  character
• 28:14
  of
• 28:14
  a
• 28:14
  hunter
• 28:15
  interacting
• 28:15
  with
• 28:15
  an
• 28:16
  anti
• 28:16
  hunter,
• 28:17
  keeping
• 28:17
  his
• 28:17
  cool,
• 28:19
  keeping
• 28:19
  his
• 28:19
  character,
• 28:21
  keeping
• 28:21
  respectful,
• 28:22
  all
• 28:22
  of
• 28:23
  those
• 28:23
  things.
• 28:25
  And
• 28:25
  then
• 28:25
  the
• 28:26
  hunting
• 28:26
  community
• 28:26
  that's
• 28:27
  watching
• 28:27
  me
• 28:29
  is
• 28:29
  looking
• 28:29
  at
• 28:29
  it,
• 28:30
  going,
• 28:30
  oh,
• 28:31
  I
• 28:32
  want
• 28:32
  to.
• 28:32
  I
• 28:32
  want
• 28:32
  to
• 28:32
  interact
• 28:33
  like
• 28:33
  him.
• 28:35
  So
• 28:35
  it's
• 28:36
  almost
• 28:36
  like
• 28:36
  a
• 28:36
  little
• 28:36
  peer
• 28:36
  pressure
• 28:37
  system
• 28:38
  that
• 28:38
  we're
• 28:38
  building.
• 28:39
  And
• 28:39
  I
• 28:39
  see
• 28:39
  it
• 28:39
  every.
• 28:40
  Like
• 28:40
  we've
• 28:40
  been
• 28:40
  going
• 28:41
  now,
• 28:41
  you
• 28:41
  know,
• 28:42
  as
• 28:42
  a
• 28:42
  nonprofit
• 28:43
  for
• 28:43
  five
• 28:43
  years.
• 28:45
  I
• 28:45
  see
• 28:45
  posts
• 28:47
  where
• 28:47
  I
• 28:47
  get
• 28:47
  tagged
• 28:48
  into
• 28:48
  things.
• 28:49
  We
• 28:49
  get
• 28:50
  tagged
• 28:50
  into
• 28:50
  things.
• 28:52
  That
• 28:53
  sounds
• 28:53
  like
• 28:53
  us,
• 28:56
  but
• 28:56
  it's
• 28:56
  not
• 28:56
  us
• 28:57
  writing
• 28:57
  it.
• 28:59
  So
• 28:59
  there's
• 29:00
  definitely
• 29:01
  a
• 29:01
  pervasiveness
• 29:02
  that's
• 29:02
  happening
• 29:03
  in
• 29:04
  how
• 29:04
  people
• 29:05
  engage,
• 29:07
  which
• 29:07
  is
• 29:07
  huge.
• 29:08
  It's
• 29:08
  very,
• 29:08
  very,
• 29:08
  very
• 29:08
  important
• 29:09
  in
• 29:10
  how
• 29:10
  you
• 29:10
  engage
• 29:12
  online
• 29:13
  because
• 29:13
  it
• 29:13
  shows,
• 29:14
  you
• 29:14
  know,
• 29:14
  it's
• 29:15
  a.
• 29:15
  It's
• 29:15
  a
• 29:15
  broader
• 29:16
  look
• 29:16
  at
• 29:16
  what
• 29:16
  the
• 29:16
  community's
• 29:17
  character
• 29:18
  is
• 29:18
  like.
• 29:19
  Yeah,
• 29:20
  it's
• 29:20
  interesting,
• 29:20
  too,
• 29:20
  because,
• 29:21
  you
• 29:21
  know,
• 29:21
  I
• 29:21
  know
• 29:21
  this
• 29:22
  is
• 29:22
  your
• 29:22
  criticism
• 29:22
  of
• 29:23
  social
• 29:23
  media.
• 29:23
  You
• 29:24
  know,
• 29:24
  the
• 29:24
  harvest,
• 29:25
  whether
• 29:25
  you're
• 29:25
  hunting
• 29:25
  or
• 29:25
  fishing,
• 29:26
  is
• 29:26
  such
• 29:26
  a
• 29:27
  little
• 29:27
  part
• 29:27
  of
• 29:27
  the
• 29:27
  entire
• 29:28
  experience.
• 29:29
  Right.
• 29:30
  You
• 29:31
  know,
• 29:31
  like,
• 29:31
  even
• 29:31
  for
• 29:32
  me,
• 29:32
  like,
• 29:32
  I
• 29:32
  do
• 29:32
  a
• 29:32
  little
• 29:32
  bit
• 29:32
  of
• 29:33
  upland
• 29:33
  bird
• 29:33
  hunting,
• 29:33
  and,
• 29:34
  you
• 29:34
  know,
• 29:34
  I
• 29:35
  don't
• 29:35
  really
• 29:35
  care
• 29:36
  about
• 29:36
  the
• 29:36
  birds.
• 29:36
  I
• 29:36
  love
• 29:37
  just
• 29:37
  watching
• 29:37
  the
• 29:37
  dogs
• 29:38
  work,
• 29:39
  right.
• 29:40
  Because
• 29:40
  they're
• 29:40
  just
• 29:40
  so
• 29:40
  happy,
• 29:41
  and
• 29:41
  they
• 29:41
  want
• 29:41
  to
• 29:41
  make
• 29:41
  the.
• 29:42
  The
• 29:42
  people
• 29:42
  that
• 29:42
  are
• 29:42
  on
• 29:43
  the
• 29:43
  hunt.
• 29:43
  So,
• 29:43
  you
• 29:43
  know,
• 29:43
  they
• 29:44
  want
• 29:44
  to
• 29:44
  be,
• 29:44
  you
• 29:44
  know,
• 29:45
  good
• 29:45
  servants,
• 29:45
  basically,
• 29:46
  and
• 29:46
  they
• 29:46
  just.
• 29:46
  They're
• 29:47
  so
• 29:47
  enthusiastic.
• 29:47
  Like,
• 29:48
  to
• 29:48
  me,
• 29:48
  that's
• 29:48
  like,
• 29:49
  you
• 29:49
  know,
• 29:49
  if
• 29:49
  you
• 29:49
  get
• 29:49
  to
• 29:49
  go
• 29:49
  out
• 29:50
  on
• 29:50
  a
• 29:50
  brisk
• 29:50
  day
• 29:50
  and
• 29:50
  walk
• 29:50
  around
• 29:51
  with
• 29:51
  a
• 29:51
  shotgun
• 29:52
  and
• 29:52
  watch
• 29:53
  the
• 29:53
  dogs
• 29:53
  go,
• 29:53
  that's
• 29:53
  an
• 29:54
  amazing
• 29:54
  day.
• 29:55
  Amazing
• 29:55
  day.
• 29:56
  Yeah.
• 29:56
  So
• 29:58
  the
• 29:59
  reason
• 29:59
  why,
• 30:00
  you
• 30:00
  know,
• 30:00
  I.
• 30:00
  I
• 30:01
  rack
• 30:01
  my
• 30:01
  brain
• 30:01
  all
• 30:01
  the
• 30:02
  time,
• 30:02
  like,
• 30:03
  why
• 30:03
  are
• 30:03
  we,
• 30:03
  as
• 30:04
  a
• 30:04
  hunting
• 30:04
  community,
• 30:05
  not
• 30:06
  talking
• 30:06
  more
• 30:07
  about
• 30:07
  the
• 30:07
  things
• 30:07
  that
• 30:08
  I
• 30:08
  want
• 30:08
  them
• 30:08
  to
• 30:08
  talk
• 30:08
  about?
• 30:10
  And
• 30:10
  the
• 30:11
  reason
• 30:11
  is
• 30:11
  because
• 30:12
  they're
• 30:12
  communicating
• 30:13
  to
• 30:13
  their.
• 30:14
  Their
• 30:15
  peers,
• 30:15
  their
• 30:15
  community.
• 30:16
  They're
• 30:16
  communicating
• 30:17
  to
• 30:17
  hunters.
• 30:18
  And
• 30:19
  the
• 30:19
  way
• 30:19
  that
• 30:19
  hunters
• 30:20
  communicate
• 30:20
  with
• 30:21
  one
• 30:21
  another,
• 30:23
  just
• 30:23
  like
• 30:23
  fishermen.
• 30:24
  How
• 30:25
  do
• 30:25
  fishermen
• 30:25
  communicate
• 30:26
  with
• 30:26
  each
• 30:26
  other,
• 30:26
  Marvin?
• 30:27
  They
• 30:27
  send
• 30:28
  pictures
• 30:28
  of
• 30:28
  their
• 30:28
  fish.
• 30:31
  Yep.
• 30:31
  Size
• 30:32
  and
• 30:32
  size
• 30:32
  and
• 30:33
  number.
• 30:33
  Right?
• 30:34
  That's
• 30:34
  it.
• 30:35
  Same
• 30:35
  thing
• 30:35
  with
• 30:35
  hunters.
• 30:36
  And
• 30:37
  so
• 30:37
  back
• 30:37
  in
• 30:37
  the
• 30:38
  day
• 30:39
  before
• 30:40
  social
• 30:40
  media,
• 30:41
  before
• 30:41
  the
• 30:41
  advent
• 30:41
  of
• 30:42
  social
• 30:42
  media,
• 30:44
  that's
• 30:44
  what
• 30:44
  you
• 30:44
  did.
• 30:45
  You
• 30:45
  send
• 30:45
  photos
• 30:45
  in
• 30:46
  the
• 30:46
  mail.
• 30:46
  You
• 30:47
  put
• 30:47
  your
• 30:47
  photo
• 30:47
  up
• 30:47
  in
• 30:48
  the.
• 30:48
  In
• 30:48
  the.
• 30:48
  The
• 30:49
  local
• 30:50
  outdoor
• 30:50
  shop.
• 30:51
  Right.
• 30:51
  You
• 30:51
  had
• 30:51
  that
• 30:51
  pin
• 30:52
  board.
• 30:52
  Same
• 30:53
  thing
• 30:53
  with
• 30:53
  fish.
• 30:54
  Everyone
• 30:54
  checked
• 30:55
  it
• 30:55
  out.
• 30:55
  Why?
• 30:55
  Because
• 30:56
  the
• 30:56
  people
• 30:56
  that
• 30:56
  were
• 30:56
  going
• 30:57
  into
• 30:57
  those
• 30:57
  stores
• 30:57
  were
• 30:58
  your
• 30:58
  people.
• 31:00
  Now
• 31:01
  think
• 31:02
  of
• 31:02
  those,
• 31:02
  those
• 31:03
  little
• 31:04
  things,
• 31:04
  those
• 31:05
  outdoor
• 31:05
  shops
• 31:05
  as
• 31:06
  greenhouses.
• 31:08
  Those
• 31:08
  greenhouses
• 31:09
  now
• 31:09
  exist
• 31:09
  in
• 31:09
  this
• 31:09
  world
• 31:10
  of
• 31:10
  social
• 31:10
  media.
• 31:11
  They
• 31:11
  still
• 31:11
  exist.
• 31:13
  You
• 31:13
  still
• 31:14
  share
• 31:14
  your
• 31:14
  pictures,
• 31:16
  right?
• 31:16
  But
• 31:16
  now
• 31:17
  they're
• 31:17
  on
• 31:17
  devices
• 31:19
  and
• 31:19
  the
• 31:19
  world
• 31:19
  is
• 31:20
  looking
• 31:20
  through
• 31:20
  the
• 31:21
  glass
• 31:21
  of
• 31:21
  the
• 31:21
  greenhouse
• 31:23
  and
• 31:24
  seeing
• 31:24
  everything
• 31:25
  that
• 31:25
  you're
• 31:25
  sharing.
• 31:28
  And
• 31:28
  they're
• 31:28
  like,
• 31:29
  we
• 31:29
  don't
• 31:29
  like
• 31:29
  that
• 31:30
  greenhouse.
• 31:32
  Look
• 31:33
  at
• 31:33
  the
• 31:33
  stuff
• 31:33
  that's
• 31:33
  happening
• 31:34
  in
• 31:34
  that
• 31:34
  greenhouse.
• 31:36
  It's
• 31:36
  not
• 31:36
  anonymous
• 31:37
  anymore.
• 31:38
  It's
• 31:38
  not
• 31:39
  just
• 31:39
  tied
• 31:39
  to
• 31:39
  our
• 31:39
  community
• 31:40
  anymore.
• 31:41
  It's
• 31:41
  out
• 31:42
  for
• 31:42
  the
• 31:42
  world
• 31:42
  to
• 31:42
  see.
• 31:42
  And
• 31:43
  so
• 31:43
  we
• 31:43
  have
• 31:43
  to
• 31:43
  change
• 31:43
  some
• 31:44
  of
• 31:44
  the
• 31:44
  imagery.
• 31:44
  We
• 31:45
  have
• 31:45
  to
• 31:45
  change
• 31:45
  some
• 31:45
  of
• 31:45
  the
• 31:45
  things
• 31:45
  that
• 31:46
  we
• 31:46
  talk
• 31:46
  about.
• 31:47
  And
• 31:48
  it's
• 31:48
  difficult
• 31:48
  because
• 31:50
  the
• 31:50
  community
• 31:50
  upliftment,
• 31:51
  the
• 31:51
  person
• 31:51
  you
• 31:52
  just
• 31:52
  employed,
• 31:53
  the
• 31:54
  schools,
• 31:54
  the
• 31:54
  medical,
• 31:55
  the
• 31:56
  meat
• 31:56
  distribution,
• 31:57
  the
• 31:58
  sunsets,
• 31:58
  the
• 31:59
  camaraderie,
• 31:59
  the
• 32:00
  fire,
• 32:01
  that's
• 32:01
  all
• 32:02
  not
• 32:02
  very
• 32:02
  sexy
• 32:05
  communication
• 32:06
  to
• 32:06
  our
• 32:06
  peers.
• 32:08
  So
• 32:08
  we
• 32:08
  don't
• 32:09
  naturally
• 32:09
  do
• 32:09
  it.
• 32:10
  Yeah,
• 32:10
  it's
• 32:11
  interesting.
• 32:11
  And
• 32:11
  from
• 32:11
  my
• 32:11
  perspective,
• 32:12
  that's
• 32:12
  all
• 32:13
  the
• 32:13
  most
• 32:13
  important
• 32:13
  stuff
• 32:14
  to
• 32:14
  talk
• 32:14
  about,
• 32:14
  right?
• 32:16
  Yeah.
• 32:16
  But
• 32:16
  I'd
• 32:17
  even
• 32:17
  challenge
• 32:17
  you,
• 32:17
  like,
• 32:18
  if
• 32:19
  you
• 32:19
  do
• 32:19
  hunt
• 32:19
  and
• 32:19
  you
• 32:19
  do
• 32:19
  all
• 32:20
  those
• 32:20
  things,
• 32:20
  how
• 32:20
  many
• 32:20
  times
• 32:20
  have
• 32:20
  you
• 32:21
  spoken
• 32:21
  about
• 32:21
  it?
• 32:22
  I
• 32:22
  talk
• 32:23
  about
• 32:23
  it,
• 32:23
  but
• 32:23
  I
• 32:23
  also,
• 32:23
  too,
• 32:24
  I
• 32:24
  generally
• 32:24
  don't
• 32:25
  share,
• 32:25
  like,
• 32:25
  fishing
• 32:26
  and
• 32:26
  hunting
• 32:26
  pictures.
• 32:26
  Right.
• 32:28
  Like,
• 32:28
  I
• 32:28
  was
• 32:28
  just
• 32:28
  up
• 32:28
  in
• 32:28
  Pennsylvania,
• 32:29
  I
• 32:29
  just
• 32:29
  shared
• 32:29
  a
• 32:29
  cover
• 32:30
  bridge
• 32:30
  picture.
• 32:31
  My
• 32:32
  theory
• 32:32
  on
• 32:32
  that
• 32:32
  is
• 32:33
  not
• 32:34
  that
• 32:34
  I've
• 32:35
  got
• 32:35
  any
• 32:35
  great
• 32:35
  communication
• 32:36
  strategy.
• 32:36
  My
• 32:36
  theory
• 32:37
  is
• 32:37
  that
• 32:37
  I
• 32:37
  have
• 32:37
  enough
• 32:37
  pictures
• 32:38
  of
• 32:38
  me
• 32:38
  holding
• 32:38
  fish
• 32:40
  and
• 32:41
  that
• 32:41
  they're
• 32:42
  plenty,
• 32:42
  they're
• 32:42
  plenty
• 32:42
  for
• 32:43
  my
• 32:43
  kids.
• 32:43
  And
• 32:43
  when
• 32:43
  I
• 32:43
  can't
• 32:44
  remember
• 32:44
  anymore,
• 32:44
  it
• 32:44
  doesn't
• 32:45
  matter.
• 32:45
  So
• 32:45
  I
• 32:45
  don't
• 32:45
  need
• 32:45
  to
• 32:46
  take
• 32:46
  the
• 32:46
  time
• 32:46
  and,
• 32:47
  you
• 32:47
  know,
• 32:48
  do
• 32:48
  all
• 32:48
  that
• 32:48
  sort
• 32:48
  of
• 32:48
  stuff.
• 32:49
  And
• 32:49
  so
• 32:49
  I
• 32:49
  generally
• 32:49
  just
• 32:49
  try
• 32:50
  to
• 32:50
  kind
• 32:50
  of
• 32:50
  stay
• 32:50
  out
• 32:51
  in
• 32:52
  the
• 32:52
  moment.
• 32:52
  So
• 32:52
  it's
• 32:52
  no
• 32:53
  great,
• 32:53
  you
• 32:53
  know,
• 32:53
  insight
• 32:54
  on
• 32:54
  my
• 32:54
  part.
• 32:55
  Although
• 32:55
  I
• 32:55
  will
• 32:56
  say,
• 32:56
  you
• 32:56
  know,
• 32:56
  you
• 32:56
  generally
• 32:56
  now,
• 32:57
  with
• 32:57
  Instagram
• 32:57
  Carousel,
• 32:58
  you
• 32:58
  can
• 32:58
  have
• 32:59
  some
• 32:59
  really
• 32:59
  nice
• 32:59
  kind
• 33:00
  of
• 33:00
  storytelling
• 33:00
  montages
• 33:01
  if
• 33:01
  you're
• 33:01
  deliberate
• 33:02
  about
• 33:02
  collecting
• 33:02
  the
• 33:02
  pictures.
• 33:04
  But,
• 33:04
  you
• 33:04
  know,
• 33:04
  it's
• 33:05
  interesting
• 33:05
  too,
• 33:05
  right?
• 33:05
  Because
• 33:06
  your
• 33:06
  management
• 33:06
  philosophy,
• 33:07
  I
• 33:08
  think
• 33:08
  I
• 33:08
  remember
• 33:08
  doing
• 33:08
  research
• 33:09
  for
• 33:09
  the
• 33:09
  interview
• 33:09
  that,
• 33:10
  you
• 33:10
  know,
• 33:10
  you
• 33:10
  were
• 33:11
  pointing
• 33:11
  out
• 33:11
  how
• 33:11
  incredibly
• 33:12
  complicated
• 33:12
  the
• 33:13
  wolf
• 33:13
  management
• 33:13
  issue
• 33:14
  is
• 33:14
  out
• 33:14
  in
• 33:14
  the
• 33:15
  Rockies.
• 33:15
  Right.
• 33:16
  And
• 33:16
  you
• 33:16
  have,
• 33:17
  you
• 33:17
  know,
• 33:17
  it's
• 33:18
  not
• 33:18
  just
• 33:18
  a
• 33:18
  hunting,
• 33:18
  not
• 33:19
  hunting,
• 33:19
  you
• 33:19
  know,
• 33:19
  one
• 33:20
  of
• 33:20
  seven
• 33:20
  management
• 33:20
  tools,
• 33:21
  but
• 33:21
  also
• 33:21
  you
• 33:21
  have,
• 33:22
  you
• 33:23
  know,
• 33:23
  an
• 33:23
  incredibly
• 33:24
  broad
• 33:25
  cross
• 33:26
  section
• 33:26
  of
• 33:26
  interests.
• 33:27
  Right.
• 33:27
  Ranchers,
• 33:28
  BLM
• 33:29
  managers,
• 33:30
  you
• 33:31
  know,
• 33:31
  and
• 33:31
  to
• 33:31
  say
• 33:32
  that
• 33:32
  we
• 33:32
  live
• 33:32
  in
• 33:32
  polarized
• 33:33
  times
• 33:33
  is
• 33:33
  a
• 33:34
  pretty
• 33:34
  much
• 33:34
  an
• 33:34
  understatement.
• 33:35
  You
• 33:35
  know,
• 33:35
  how
• 33:36
  do
• 33:36
  you
• 33:37
  kind
• 33:37
  of
• 33:37
  keep
• 33:37
  the
• 33:38
  fortitude
• 33:38
  to
• 33:38
  have
• 33:38
  this
• 33:39
  nuanced
• 33:39
  approach
• 33:40
  for
• 33:41
  sustainable
• 33:41
  use
• 33:41
  and
• 33:42
  communication
• 33:42
  and
• 33:42
  the
• 33:43
  onslaught
• 33:43
  of
• 33:43
  this,
• 33:44
  like,
• 33:44
  you
• 33:44
  know,
• 33:44
  it's
• 33:45
  either
• 33:45
  good
• 33:45
  or
• 33:45
  bad.
• 33:45
  There's
• 33:46
  nothing
• 33:46
  in
• 33:46
  the
• 33:46
  middle.
• 33:46
  There's
• 33:47
  never
• 33:47
  any
• 33:47
  gray.
• 33:48
  Because
• 33:48
  I
• 33:49
  think,
• 33:49
  I
• 33:49
  think
• 33:49
  that's
• 33:49
  a
• 33:49
  really
• 33:49
  challenging
• 33:50
  place
• 33:50
  to
• 33:50
  be
• 33:51
  as
• 33:51
  a
• 33:51
  communicator
• 33:51
  today.
• 33:53
  Yeah,
• 33:54
  it
• 33:54
  is.
• 33:55
  And.
• 33:55
  But
• 33:55
  I
• 33:56
  think
• 33:56
  we
• 33:56
  have,
• 33:57
  if
• 33:57
  you.
• 33:58
  I
• 33:58
  think
• 33:58
  in
• 33:58
  any
• 33:58
  issue.
• 33:59
  And
• 33:59
  we'll
• 33:59
  use
• 33:59
  the
• 33:59
  wolf
• 34:00
  as
• 34:00
  an
• 34:00
  example.
• 34:01
  I
• 34:01
  think
• 34:01
  in
• 34:01
  any
• 34:01
  issue
• 34:02
  there's
• 34:02
  enough
• 34:03
  data
• 34:04
  and
• 34:05
  logic
• 34:06
  to
• 34:07
  show
• 34:07
  that,
• 34:07
  hey,
• 34:08
  where
• 34:08
  I
• 34:08
  live,
• 34:09
  that
• 34:10
  isn't
• 34:11
  the
• 34:11
  shoot,
• 34:11
  shovel
• 34:12
  and
• 34:12
  shut
• 34:12
  up
• 34:13
  of
• 34:14
  wolves.
• 34:16
  And
• 34:16
  the
• 34:16
  other
• 34:17
  opposite
• 34:17
  side,
• 34:17
  which
• 34:18
  is
• 34:18
  never
• 34:18
  shoot
• 34:18
  a
• 34:18
  wolf,
• 34:19
  ever.
• 34:20
  You
• 34:21
  sit
• 34:21
  in
• 34:21
  the
• 34:21
  middle
• 34:21
  and
• 34:22
  you
• 34:22
  go,
• 34:24
  I
• 34:24
  think
• 34:25
  you're
• 34:25
  wrong.
• 34:26
  And
• 34:26
  I
• 34:26
  think
• 34:26
  you're
• 34:27
  wrong.
• 34:27
  And
• 34:27
  so
• 34:28
  if
• 34:28
  both
• 34:28
  sides
• 34:28
  are
• 34:28
  pissed
• 34:29
  off
• 34:29
  at
• 34:29
  me
• 34:29
  now,
• 34:30
  I've
• 34:30
  actually
• 34:30
  found
• 34:31
  the
• 34:31
  place
• 34:31
  where
• 34:31
  I
• 34:31
  need
• 34:31
  to
• 34:32
  be.
• 34:33
  So
• 34:33
  let's
• 34:33
  just
• 34:33
  talk
• 34:33
  through
• 34:34
  it.
• 34:34
  With
• 34:34
  wolves.
• 34:36
  I
• 34:36
  like
• 34:36
  wolves,
• 34:38
  so
• 34:38
  that
• 34:38
  means
• 34:38
  I'm
• 34:38
  on
• 34:38
  this
• 34:38
  side.
• 34:39
  I
• 34:40
  like
• 34:40
  them
• 34:40
  on
• 34:40
  the
• 34:40
  landscape,
• 34:41
  which
• 34:41
  means
• 34:41
  I'm
• 34:42
  on
• 34:42
  this
• 34:42
  side.
• 34:43
  But
• 34:43
  I
• 34:43
  also
• 34:44
  believe
• 34:44
  that
• 34:44
  states
• 34:45
  have
• 34:46
  to
• 34:46
  have
• 34:47
  the
• 34:47
  ability
• 34:47
  to
• 34:47
  manage
• 34:48
  wolves,
• 34:48
  which
• 34:48
  means
• 34:49
  I'm
• 34:49
  on
• 34:49
  this
• 34:49
  side.
• 34:49
  Now
• 34:52
  I
• 34:52
  think
• 34:52
  that
• 34:53
  you
• 34:53
  look
• 34:53
  at
• 34:54
  the
• 34:54
  data
• 34:54
  and
• 34:54
  the
• 34:55
  science
• 34:55
  of
• 34:55
  wolf
• 34:56
  reintroductions
• 34:57
  and
• 34:58
  wolf
• 34:58
  repopulations
• 34:59
  across
• 35:00
  the
• 35:00
  west
• 35:01
  as
• 35:01
  well
• 35:01
  as
• 35:02
  in
• 35:02
  Michigan,
• 35:03
  Wisconsin,
• 35:04
  Minnesota,
• 35:05
  those
• 35:06
  objectives
• 35:06
  have
• 35:07
  far
• 35:07
  been
• 35:08
  exceeded
• 35:09
  in
• 35:09
  terms
• 35:10
  of
• 35:10
  recovery
• 35:10
  objectives
• 35:11
  for
• 35:11
  Fish
• 35:11
  and
• 35:11
  Wildlife
• 35:12
  Service,
• 35:13
  which
• 35:13
  means
• 35:14
  they
• 35:14
  do
• 35:14
  not
• 35:15
  need
• 35:15
  protections
• 35:16
  anymore,
• 35:17
  which
• 35:17
  puts
• 35:17
  me
• 35:18
  on
• 35:18
  this
• 35:18
  side
• 35:18
  again.
• 35:20
  But
• 35:21
  I'll
• 35:21
  also
• 35:21
  say
• 35:22
  that
• 35:22
  I
• 35:23
  believe
• 35:23
  that
• 35:23
  because
• 35:23
  of
• 35:24
  all
• 35:24
  the
• 35:24
  policies
• 35:24
  that
• 35:25
  we
• 35:25
  have,
• 35:25
  all
• 35:25
  the
• 35:25
  regulations
• 35:26
  that
• 35:26
  we
• 35:26
  have,
• 35:27
  the
• 35:27
  ESA
• 35:27
  and
• 35:28
  all
• 35:28
  the
• 35:28
  things
• 35:28
  that
• 35:28
  come
• 35:29
  at
• 35:29
  a
• 35:29
  state
• 35:29
  and
• 35:30
  federal
• 35:30
  level,
• 35:31
  that
• 35:32
  we
• 35:32
  will
• 35:32
  never
• 35:32
  go
• 35:33
  back
• 35:33
  to
• 35:33
  wolves
• 35:34
  being
• 35:34
  extirpated
• 35:34
  from
• 35:35
  the
• 35:35
  landscape
• 35:37
  which
• 35:37
  sits
• 35:37
  me
• 35:38
  now
• 35:38
  and
• 35:38
  very
• 35:38
  much
• 35:39
  now
• 35:39
  in
• 35:39
  the
• 35:39
  middle.
• 35:41
  And
• 35:42
  they
• 35:42
  say,
• 35:42
  well,
• 35:42
  how
• 35:43
  do
• 35:43
  you
• 35:43
  know,
• 35:43
  Robbie?
• 35:45
  There's
• 35:45
  an
• 35:45
  example.
• 35:46
  Look
• 35:47
  at
• 35:47
  Idaho.
• 35:48
  Idaho
• 35:49
  has
• 35:49
  a
• 35:49
  thousand
• 35:49
  two
• 35:50
  hundred
• 35:50
  wolves.
• 35:53
  They
• 35:53
  have
• 35:54
  every
• 35:54
  single
• 35:54
  technique
• 35:55
  under
• 35:55
  the
• 35:56
  sun
• 35:57
  to
• 35:57
  manage
• 35:58
  those
• 35:58
  wolves.
• 36:00
  They
• 36:00
  take
• 36:00
  400
• 36:01
  a
• 36:01
  year,
• 36:02
  yet
• 36:02
  the
• 36:03
  population
• 36:03
  of
• 36:03
  wolves
• 36:04
  maintains
• 36:04
  at
• 36:05
  1200
• 36:06
  every
• 36:06
  single
• 36:07
  year.
• 36:08
  And
• 36:09
  so
• 36:10
  I
• 36:10
  think
• 36:11
  there's
• 36:11
  this,
• 36:12
  there's
• 36:12
  heavy,
• 36:13
  heavy
• 36:13
  emotions
• 36:14
  on
• 36:14
  both
• 36:14
  sides.
• 36:15
  I
• 36:15
  think
• 36:16
  sometimes
• 36:17
  I
• 36:17
  look
• 36:17
  towards
• 36:18
  more
• 36:18
  of
• 36:18
  our
• 36:19
  side
• 36:19
  and
• 36:19
  say,
• 36:20
  man,
• 36:20
  this
• 36:20
  should
• 36:20
  shovel,
• 36:21
  shut
• 36:21
  up
• 36:21
  rhetoric
• 36:22
  is
• 36:22
  not
• 36:22
  good
• 36:22
  for
• 36:22
  us.
• 36:24
  Like
• 36:24
  every
• 36:24
  time
• 36:24
  you
• 36:25
  say
• 36:25
  that,
• 36:26
  that's
• 36:27
  sort
• 36:27
  of
• 36:27
  like
• 36:27
  a
• 36:27
  dart
• 36:27
  that
• 36:28
  I
• 36:28
  have
• 36:28
  to
• 36:28
  pull
• 36:28
  out
• 36:28
  of
• 36:29
  our
• 36:29
  skin
• 36:30
  because
• 36:31
  this
• 36:31
  side
• 36:32
  is
• 36:32
  saying,
• 36:32
  see,
• 36:33
  see,
• 36:33
  look
• 36:33
  at
• 36:33
  you
• 36:33
  guys.
• 36:34
  You
• 36:34
  guys
• 36:34
  don't
• 36:35
  care.
• 36:36
  But
• 36:36
  I
• 36:37
  think
• 36:37
  that
• 36:37
  there's
• 36:37
  more
• 36:37
  and
• 36:37
  more
• 36:38
  of
• 36:38
  me
• 36:40
  in
• 36:41
  the,
• 36:41
  in
• 36:41
  the
• 36:41
  digital
• 36:42
  media
• 36:42
  landscape
• 36:43
  than
• 36:43
  there
• 36:44
  was.
• 36:44
  And
• 36:45
  I
• 36:45
  think
• 36:45
  that
• 36:45
  that
• 36:45
  sentiment
• 36:46
  is
• 36:46
  growing
• 36:46
  and
• 36:47
  growing.
• 36:48
  Look
• 36:48
  at
• 36:48
  the
• 36:48
  ranches
• 36:48
  in
• 36:49
  Colorado.
• 36:49
  The
• 36:49
  ranches
• 36:50
  in
• 36:50
  Colorado
• 36:51
  before
• 36:51
  the
• 36:51
  wolf
• 36:51
  reintroduction
• 36:52
  happened
• 36:53
  were
• 36:53
  totally
• 36:54
  against
• 36:54
  wolf.
• 36:55
  Wolves
• 36:55
  being
• 36:55
  on
• 36:56
  the
• 36:56
  landscape.
• 36:56
  But
• 36:56
  wolves
• 36:57
  are
• 36:57
  on
• 36:57
  the
• 36:57
  landscape
• 36:57
  now.
• 36:58
  Are
• 36:59
  they
• 36:59
  still
• 36:59
  in
• 36:59
  the
• 36:59
  shoot,
• 37:00
  shut
• 37:00
  up
• 37:00
  and
• 37:00
  shovel
• 37:01
  model?
• 37:01
  No,
• 37:02
  they
• 37:02
  are.
• 37:03
  Okay,
• 37:03
  we
• 37:04
  have
• 37:04
  to
• 37:04
  deal
• 37:04
  with
• 37:04
  this.
• 37:05
  How
• 37:06
  do
• 37:06
  we
• 37:06
  deal
• 37:06
  with
• 37:06
  this?
• 37:08
  We
• 37:09
  need
• 37:09
  to
• 37:09
  have.
• 37:09
  We,
• 37:10
  we're
• 37:10
  trying,
• 37:11
  doing
• 37:11
  our
• 37:11
  best
• 37:12
  here,
• 37:12
  but
• 37:13
  we
• 37:13
  also
• 37:13
  need
• 37:13
  the
• 37:14
  opportunity
• 37:15
  and
• 37:15
  the
• 37:15
  ability
• 37:15
  for
• 37:16
  lethal
• 37:16
  management
• 37:17
  because
• 37:18
  it's
• 37:18
  going
• 37:18
  to
• 37:18
  get
• 37:18
  to
• 37:18
  a
• 37:18
  point
• 37:18
  where
• 37:19
  it's
• 37:19
  like,
• 37:19
  we've
• 37:19
  tried
• 37:19
  everything.
• 37:21
  Help
• 37:21
  us.
• 37:22
  Like
• 37:22
  we
• 37:22
  need
• 37:23
  help.
• 37:23
  And
• 37:24
  that
• 37:24
  help
• 37:24
  could
• 37:24
  be
• 37:25
  pay
• 37:26
  us,
• 37:28
  we've
• 37:28
  lost
• 37:28
  50
• 37:28
  cows.
• 37:29
  Pay
• 37:30
  us
• 37:30
  half
• 37:30
  a
• 37:30
  million
• 37:30
  dollars.
• 37:31
  We'll
• 37:31
  live
• 37:31
  with
• 37:31
  the
• 37:32
  wolves.
• 37:32
  Same
• 37:32
  as
• 37:32
  the
• 37:32
  elephant
• 37:33
  example.
• 37:33
  Marvin.
• 37:36
  So
• 37:37
  there's
• 37:38
  obviously
• 37:38
  very,
• 37:38
  very,
• 37:39
  very
• 37:39
  divisive
• 37:39
  topics,
• 37:40
  but
• 37:40
  we
• 37:40
  approach
• 37:40
  it
• 37:41
  every
• 37:42
  topic
• 37:42
  the
• 37:42
  same
• 37:42
  way
• 37:43
  that
• 37:43
  just
• 37:43
  described
• 37:43
  it
• 37:43
  to
• 37:44
  you.
• 37:45
  Wild
• 37:45
  horses.
• 37:46
  Hugely
• 37:46
  divisive
• 37:47
  topic.
• 37:48
  Maybe
• 37:49
  the
• 37:49
  one
• 37:49
  I
• 37:49
  don't
• 37:49
  approach,
• 37:49
  the
• 37:50
  way
• 37:50
  that
• 37:50
  I
• 37:50
  just
• 37:50
  described
• 37:50
  is
• 37:51
  feral
• 37:51
  cats.
• 37:51
  I
• 37:52
  think
• 37:52
  feral
• 37:52
  cats
• 37:52
  are
• 37:53
  just
• 37:53
  terrible
• 37:54
  on
• 37:54
  the
• 37:54
  landscape
• 37:55
  from
• 37:55
  a
• 37:55
  biodiversity
• 37:56
  perspective.
• 37:56
  Luckily,
• 37:56
  we
• 37:57
  don't
• 37:57
  have
• 37:57
  a
• 37:57
  much
• 37:57
  a
• 37:58
  big
• 37:58
  issue
• 37:58
  here
• 37:58
  in
• 37:59
  the
• 37:59
  States,
• 38:00
  but
• 38:00
  Australia,
• 38:02
  like,
• 38:02
  it's
• 38:02
  a.
• 38:03
  Decimating.
• 38:04
  It
• 38:04
  is
• 38:04
  the
• 38:04
  number
• 38:05
  one
• 38:05
  decimator
• 38:06
  of
• 38:06
  biodiversity
• 38:07
  in
• 38:07
  Australia.
• 38:09
  Yeah.
• 38:09
  Interesting.
• 38:10
  Do
• 38:10
  you
• 38:10
  ever
• 38:10
  worry
• 38:11
  about,
• 38:11
  you
• 38:11
  know,
• 38:11
  hunters
• 38:12
  that
• 38:12
  don't
• 38:12
  share
• 38:13
  the
• 38:13
  values
• 38:13
  you're
• 38:14
  trying
• 38:14
  to
• 38:14
  espouse
• 38:14
  of
• 38:15
  the
• 38:15
  Origins
• 38:15
  foundation
• 38:16
  kind
• 38:16
  of
• 38:16
  riding
• 38:16
  your
• 38:16
  coattails
• 38:17
  and
• 38:18
  kind
• 38:18
  of
• 38:18
  using
• 38:18
  you
• 38:18
  as
• 38:19
  kind
• 38:19
  of
• 38:19
  a
• 38:19
  useful
• 38:19
  mouthpiece,
• 38:20
  but
• 38:20
  not,
• 38:21
  you
• 38:21
  know,
• 38:22
  kind
• 38:22
  of
• 38:22
  standing
• 38:23
  behind
• 38:23
  the
• 38:23
  values
• 38:23
  that
• 38:23
  you
• 38:24
  want
• 38:24
  to
• 38:24
  embody?
• 38:27
  It's
• 38:28
  a
• 38:28
  good
• 38:28
  question.
• 38:29
  I
• 38:30
  don't
• 38:30
  think
• 38:30
  we've
• 38:30
  ever
• 38:30
  experienced
• 38:31
  that
• 38:31
  yet.
• 38:32
  The
• 38:33
  people
• 38:33
  that
• 38:33
  will
• 38:33
  be
• 38:34
  with
• 38:34
  us
• 38:34
  are
• 38:34
  our
• 38:35
  kind
• 38:35
  of
• 38:35
  people.
• 38:37
  But
• 38:38
  the
• 38:38
  people
• 38:38
  that
• 38:38
  do
• 38:39
  say,
• 38:39
  that's
• 38:40
  hypothetically
• 38:41
  somebody
• 38:41
  goes,
• 38:41
  yeah,
• 38:42
  we're
• 38:42
  with
• 38:42
  you,
• 38:42
  we're
• 38:42
  with
• 38:42
  you,
• 38:42
  we're
• 38:43
  with
• 38:43
  you.
• 38:43
  And
• 38:43
  then
• 38:43
  do
• 38:44
  something
• 38:44
  unethical.
• 38:47
  You
• 38:47
  know,
• 38:47
  we,
• 38:48
  we,
• 38:48
  we're
• 38:48
  getting
• 38:48
  to
• 38:48
  points
• 38:49
  in
• 38:49
  our
• 38:49
  community
• 38:50
  that
• 38:50
  people
• 38:50
  are
• 38:50
  starting
• 38:51
  to
• 38:51
  say
• 38:51
  things.
• 38:54
  And
• 38:54
  in
• 38:54
  that
• 38:54
  scenario,
• 38:55
  if
• 38:55
  I
• 38:55
  knew
• 38:55
  the
• 38:56
  person,
• 38:56
  I'd
• 38:56
  be
• 38:56
  like,
• 38:56
  dude,
• 38:57
  you've
• 38:58
  got
• 38:58
  to
• 38:58
  say
• 38:58
  something
• 39:00
  like,
• 39:00
  that's
• 39:00
  even,
• 39:01
  that's
• 39:01
  even
• 39:01
  worse
• 39:01
  when
• 39:02
  you're
• 39:02
  unethical
• 39:02
  and
• 39:03
  don't
• 39:03
  say
• 39:03
  anything
• 39:03
  or,
• 39:04
  or
• 39:04
  like,
• 39:04
  no,
• 39:04
  no,
• 39:05
  it's
• 39:05
  fine
• 39:06
  when
• 39:07
  you
• 39:07
  know
• 39:07
  it
• 39:07
  isn't.
• 39:08
  So
• 39:08
  I
• 39:08
  think
• 39:09
  also
• 39:09
  a
• 39:09
  sign
• 39:10
  of
• 39:10
  maturity
• 39:10
  and
• 39:10
  a
• 39:11
  sign
• 39:11
  of
• 39:11
  character
• 39:11
  is,
• 39:12
  yep,
• 39:12
  I
• 39:12
  messed
• 39:12
  up.
• 39:14
  Like,
• 39:14
  that
• 39:14
  was
• 39:15
  wrong
• 39:16
  and
• 39:16
  sort
• 39:16
  of
• 39:17
  just
• 39:17
  you
• 39:17
  know,
• 39:17
  put
• 39:17
  a
• 39:17
  flag
• 39:18
  in
• 39:18
  the
• 39:18
  ground.
• 39:20
  Yeah,
• 39:20
  it's,
• 39:21
  it's
• 39:22
  you,
• 39:23
  you
• 39:23
  are
• 39:23
  bringing
• 39:23
  up
• 39:24
  a
• 39:24
  great
• 39:24
  point.
• 39:24
  And
• 39:25
  we
• 39:25
  are
• 39:25
  very
• 39:26
  cognizant
• 39:27
  of.
• 39:29
  We
• 39:29
  have
• 39:30
  an
• 39:30
  image,
• 39:32
  we
• 39:32
  have
• 39:32
  a
• 39:32
  character,
• 39:33
  we
• 39:33
  have
• 39:33
  a
• 39:33
  thing
• 39:34
  that
• 39:34
  is
• 39:34
  what
• 39:34
  we
• 39:35
  do
• 39:35
  and
• 39:35
  how
• 39:36
  we
• 39:36
  do
• 39:36
  it.
• 39:36
  And
• 39:36
  if
• 39:36
  somebody
• 39:37
  like,
• 39:37
  oh,
• 39:37
  that's
• 39:38
  me,
• 39:38
  I
• 39:38
  do
• 39:38
  that.
• 39:39
  And
• 39:39
  then
• 39:39
  they
• 39:39
  go
• 39:41
  and
• 39:41
  do
• 39:41
  something
• 39:42
  counter
• 39:42
  to
• 39:43
  that.
• 39:44
  As
• 39:45
  long
• 39:45
  as
• 39:45
  they're
• 39:45
  not,
• 39:45
  you
• 39:46
  know,
• 39:46
  one
• 39:46
  of
• 39:46
  my
• 39:46
  board
• 39:47
  members
• 39:48
  affiliated
• 39:48
  with
• 39:49
  me,
• 39:49
  hired
• 39:49
  by
• 39:50
  me.
• 39:50
  I
• 39:51
  think
• 39:51
  there's
• 39:51
  enough
• 39:51
  gap
• 39:52
  there
• 39:52
  to
• 39:52
  say,
• 39:54
  okay,
• 39:55
  you
• 39:55
  said
• 39:55
  you
• 39:56
  believed,
• 39:58
  but
• 39:58
  did
• 39:58
  you
• 39:58
  really?
• 40:00
  Yeah.
• 40:00
  Whether
• 40:00
  it's
• 40:01
  over
• 40:01
  commercialized
• 40:02
  and
• 40:02
  I
• 40:02
  mean
• 40:02
  that
• 40:02
  in
• 40:02
  the
• 40:02
  sense
• 40:03
  of
• 40:03
  like
• 40:03
  not
• 40:03
  embodying
• 40:04
  kind
• 40:04
  of
• 40:04
  fair
• 40:04
  chase
• 40:05
  in
• 40:05
  the
• 40:05
  process
• 40:06
  or
• 40:07
  things
• 40:07
  like
• 40:07
  that.
• 40:07
  I
• 40:08
  could
• 40:08
  see,
• 40:08
  you
• 40:09
  know,
• 40:09
  times
• 40:09
  to
• 40:09
  basically
• 40:09
  say,
• 40:10
  hey,
• 40:10
  this
• 40:10
  isn't
• 40:10
  how
• 40:10
  we
• 40:10
  do
• 40:11
  this.
• 40:11
  Right?
• 40:12
  Yeah.
• 40:13
  There
• 40:13
  are
• 40:13
  things
• 40:14
  that
• 40:15
  they're
• 40:16
  very
• 40:16
  clear
• 40:17
  like
• 40:18
  that's
• 40:19
  not
• 40:19
  us.
• 40:21
  Fair
• 40:21
  chase,
• 40:22
  you
• 40:22
  know,
• 40:23
  even
• 40:23
  though
• 40:23
  defined
• 40:24
  by
• 40:24
  Burchase,
• 40:26
  is
• 40:27
  very,
• 40:27
  a
• 40:28
  very
• 40:28
  gray,
• 40:31
  slippery
• 40:31
  slope
• 40:32
  in
• 40:32
  multiple
• 40:32
  directions.
• 40:35
  In
• 40:35
  those
• 40:35
  kinds
• 40:35
  of
• 40:35
  situations,
• 40:36
  we
• 40:37
  prefer
• 40:38
  to
• 40:38
  talk
• 40:38
  them
• 40:38
  out
• 40:40
  to
• 40:40
  try
• 40:40
  and
• 40:41
  understand.
• 40:41
  So
• 40:41
  for
• 40:41
  instance,
• 40:42
  somebody
• 40:42
  would
• 40:42
  say,
• 40:43
  I
• 40:44
  think
• 40:44
  Boone
• 40:44
  and
• 40:44
  Crockett
• 40:45
  even
• 40:45
  has
• 40:45
  it
• 40:45
  in
• 40:45
  their
• 40:45
  definition.
• 40:46
  You
• 40:46
  have
• 40:46
  to
• 40:46
  be
• 40:47
  within
• 40:47
  the
• 40:47
  radius
• 40:47
  of
• 40:48
  the
• 40:48
  animals
• 40:48
  like
• 40:49
  purview
• 40:51
  for
• 40:51
  it
• 40:51
  to
• 40:51
  be
• 40:52
  fair
• 40:52
  chase.
• 40:52
  So
• 40:52
  what
• 40:52
  does
• 40:53
  that
• 40:53
  actually
• 40:53
  mean?
• 40:54
  It's
• 40:54
  a
• 40:54
  very
• 40:54
  gray
• 40:55
  area.
• 40:55
  So
• 40:55
  for
• 40:56
  a
• 40:56
  white
• 40:56
  tailed
• 40:56
  deer,
• 40:56
  does
• 40:56
  that
• 40:57
  mean
• 40:57
  I
• 40:57
  have
• 40:57
  to
• 40:57
  be
• 40:57
  within
• 40:57
  50
• 40:58
  yards
• 40:58
  of
• 40:58
  that
• 40:58
  deer
• 40:59
  before
• 40:59
  I
• 40:59
  kill
• 40:59
  it?
• 41:01
  So
• 41:01
  what
• 41:01
  happens
• 41:01
  if
• 41:01
  I
• 41:02
  shoot
• 41:02
  it
• 41:02
  at
• 41:02
  300
• 41:03
  yards?
• 41:05
  Did
• 41:05
  I
• 41:05
  just
• 41:06
  exhibit
• 41:07
  non
• 41:07
  fair
• 41:08
  chase
• 41:08
  principles
• 41:09
  in
• 41:09
  what
• 41:09
  I
• 41:09
  just
• 41:09
  did?
• 41:10
  So
• 41:11
  we,
• 41:11
  we
• 41:11
  will
• 41:11
  always
• 41:12
  have
• 41:12
  that
• 41:12
  thought
• 41:12
  process.
• 41:13
  We'll
• 41:13
  always
• 41:14
  talk
• 41:14
  it
• 41:14
  out.
• 41:15
  We'll
• 41:15
  always
• 41:15
  ask
• 41:16
  big
• 41:16
  questions.
• 41:17
  Because
• 41:18
  I
• 41:18
  want
• 41:18
  people
• 41:18
  to
• 41:18
  think
• 41:18
  about
• 41:19
  it,
• 41:19
  right.
• 41:19
  I
• 41:19
  want
• 41:19
  people
• 41:20
  to
• 41:20
  really
• 41:20
  question
• 41:22
  if
• 41:22
  you're
• 41:23
  saying
• 41:23
  someone's
• 41:23
  unethical
• 41:25
  because
• 41:25
  they
• 41:25
  shoot
• 41:26
  game
• 41:26
  at
• 41:26
  500
• 41:27
  yards
• 41:29
  because
• 41:29
  they're
• 41:30
  a
• 41:30
  long
• 41:30
  range
• 41:30
  rifle
• 41:31
  shooter.
• 41:33
  Why
• 41:33
  is
• 41:33
  that
• 41:33
  unethical
• 41:34
  in
• 41:34
  your
• 41:34
  mind?
• 41:35
  I
• 41:35
  want
• 41:35
  to
• 41:36
  understand,
• 41:36
  I
• 41:36
  need
• 41:36
  to
• 41:37
  understand
• 41:37
  why
• 41:37
  you
• 41:38
  stand
• 41:38
  where
• 41:38
  you
• 41:38
  stand.
• 41:39
  Oh,
• 41:40
  because
• 41:40
  the
• 41:40
  animal
• 41:40
  doesn't
• 41:41
  know
• 41:41
  you're
• 41:41
  there.
• 41:43
  Okay,
• 41:43
  so
• 41:43
  what
• 41:43
  if
• 41:43
  they
• 41:44
  went
• 41:44
  to
• 41:44
  320?
• 41:47
  What's
• 41:48
  that
• 41:48
  number?
• 41:49
  That.
• 41:50
  And
• 41:50
  how
• 41:50
  do
• 41:50
  you
• 41:50
  know
• 41:50
  it's
• 41:51
  that
• 41:51
  number?
• 41:52
  Is.
• 41:52
  Has
• 41:53
  science
• 41:53
  proved
• 41:54
  that
• 41:54
  deer
• 41:55
  can
• 41:55
  only
• 41:55
  see
• 41:55
  this
• 41:56
  far
• 41:56
  or
• 41:56
  they
• 41:56
  can
• 41:56
  only
• 41:57
  smell
• 41:57
  this
• 41:57
  far?
• 41:58
  What
• 41:58
  if
• 41:58
  I
• 41:58
  did
• 41:58
  a
• 41:58
  really
• 41:59
  good
• 41:59
  job
• 41:59
  and
• 41:59
  got,
• 42:00
  you
• 42:00
  know,
• 42:01
  upwind
• 42:02
  and
• 42:03
  if
• 42:03
  there's
• 42:03
  just
• 42:04
  lots
• 42:04
  of
• 42:04
  questions
• 42:04
  in
• 42:04
  that,
• 42:05
  in
• 42:05
  that
• 42:05
  scenario,
• 42:06
  we
• 42:06
  will
• 42:06
  always
• 42:06
  talk
• 42:06
  it
• 42:06
  through
• 42:07
  is
• 42:07
  what
• 42:07
  I'm
• 42:07
  trying
• 42:07
  to
• 42:07
  say.
• 42:08
  Yeah,
• 42:08
  it's
• 42:08
  interesting.
• 42:09
  It's
• 42:09
  almost
• 42:09
  like
• 42:09
  you
• 42:09
  have
• 42:09
  to
• 42:10
  kind
• 42:10
  of
• 42:10
  come
• 42:10
  back
• 42:10
  and
• 42:10
  ask
• 42:11
  yourself
• 42:11
  if
• 42:11
  the
• 42:11
  way
• 42:12
  you're
• 42:12
  pursuing
• 42:12
  the
• 42:13
  animal
• 42:13
  is
• 42:13
  plugging
• 42:14
  into
• 42:14
  that
• 42:14
  broader
• 42:14
  story
• 42:15
  arc
• 42:16
  that
• 42:16
  you
• 42:16
  kind
• 42:16
  of
• 42:17
  philosophically
• 42:17
  agree
• 42:18
  is
• 42:18
  kind
• 42:18
  of,
• 42:18
  for
• 42:19
  lack
• 42:19
  of
• 42:19
  a
• 42:19
  better
• 42:19
  words,
• 42:19
  the
• 42:20
  hunt.
• 42:20
  Right.
• 42:22
  But,
• 42:22
  yeah,
• 42:22
  I
• 42:22
  mean,
• 42:23
  it's
• 42:23
  a
• 42:23
  complicated
• 42:24
  thing.
• 42:24
  But,
• 42:24
  you
• 42:24
  know,
• 42:24
  we
• 42:24
  have
• 42:24
  that
• 42:25
  in
• 42:25
  fishing
• 42:25
  too,
• 42:25
  where,
• 42:26
  you
• 42:27
  know,
• 42:27
  you'll
• 42:27
  see
• 42:27
  people,
• 42:27
  whether
• 42:28
  it's
• 42:28
  an
• 42:28
  etiquette
• 42:29
  issue
• 42:29
  or,
• 42:30
  you
• 42:30
  know,
• 42:30
  I
• 42:31
  mean,
• 42:31
  people
• 42:31
  don't
• 42:31
  read
• 42:31
  anymore.
• 42:32
  Right.
• 42:32
  So,
• 42:32
  you
• 42:33
  know,
• 42:33
  God
• 42:33
  forbid
• 42:33
  you
• 42:33
  would
• 42:33
  actually
• 42:34
  know
• 42:34
  what
• 42:34
  the
• 42:34
  fishing
• 42:34
  regulations
• 42:35
  were
• 42:35
  in
• 42:35
  that
• 42:35
  whole
• 42:36
  way
• 42:36
  of,
• 42:36
  like,
• 42:36
  how
• 42:37
  do
• 42:37
  you
• 42:37
  talk
• 42:37
  to
• 42:37
  people
• 42:38
  on
• 42:38
  the
• 42:38
  river
• 42:39
  in
• 42:39
  a
• 42:39
  way
• 42:39
  that's
• 42:39
  constructive?
• 42:40
  Right.
• 42:41
  That's
• 42:41
  not.
• 42:42
  Or
• 42:42
  even
• 42:43
  like,
• 42:43
  you
• 42:43
  know,
• 42:43
  younger
• 42:43
  kids.
• 42:44
  Right.
• 42:44
  They're
• 42:44
  on
• 42:44
  the
• 42:44
  river,
• 42:44
  they
• 42:45
  just
• 42:45
  don't
• 42:45
  know.
• 42:45
  Right.
• 42:47
  And
• 42:47
  you
• 42:47
  have
• 42:47
  an
• 42:47
  opportunity
• 42:48
  there
• 42:48
  to
• 42:48
  help,
• 42:49
  to
• 42:49
  help
• 42:49
  them
• 42:49
  and
• 42:49
  not
• 42:50
  educate
• 42:50
  them
• 42:50
  in
• 42:50
  some
• 42:51
  really
• 42:51
  kind
• 42:51
  of
• 42:51
  nasty
• 42:52
  hierarchical
• 42:52
  way.
• 42:52
  But,
• 42:53
  you
• 42:53
  know,
• 42:53
  you
• 42:53
  give
• 42:54
  them
• 42:54
  an
• 42:54
  experience,
• 42:54
  it
• 42:54
  makes
• 42:55
  them
• 42:55
  appreciate
• 42:55
  the
• 42:55
  sport
• 42:56
  more
• 42:56
  and
• 42:56
  actually
• 42:56
  want
• 42:56
  to
• 42:56
  fish
• 42:57
  more.
• 42:58
  Kind
• 42:59
  of,
• 42:59
  I
• 42:59
  guess,
• 42:59
  in
• 43:00
  consistent
• 43:00
  with
• 43:01
  the
• 43:01
  norms.
• 43:01
  Right.
• 43:04
  Yeah,
• 43:04
  it's,
• 43:06
  you
• 43:06
  know,
• 43:09
  you
• 43:09
  hope
• 43:09
  that
• 43:09
  youngsters
• 43:10
  are
• 43:10
  learning
• 43:10
  from
• 43:12
  their
• 43:12
  elders
• 43:13
  or
• 43:13
  others
• 43:13
  that
• 43:14
  have
• 43:14
  decided
• 43:14
  to
• 43:14
  mentor
• 43:15
  them.
• 43:16
  And
• 43:17
  my
• 43:17
  job
• 43:19
  is
• 43:19
  to
• 43:19
  help,
• 43:21
  I
• 43:21
  guess,
• 43:21
  mentor
• 43:21
  those
• 43:22
  mentors.
• 43:22
  Right.
• 43:23
  Is
• 43:23
  help.
• 43:23
  Like,
• 43:24
  here's.
• 43:25
  I
• 43:25
  want
• 43:25
  you
• 43:25
  to.
• 43:25
  I
• 43:26
  want
• 43:26
  you
• 43:26
  to
• 43:26
  think
• 43:26
  about
• 43:26
  these
• 43:27
  kinds
• 43:27
  of
• 43:27
  things.
• 43:28
  I
• 43:29
  want
• 43:29
  you
• 43:29
  to
• 43:29
  think
• 43:29
  about
• 43:29
  how
• 43:30
  you
• 43:30
  interact
• 43:30
  with
• 43:30
  people.
• 43:30
  I
• 43:31
  want
• 43:31
  you
• 43:31
  to
• 43:31
  think
• 43:31
  about
• 43:33
  character
• 43:34
  and
• 43:34
  your
• 43:35
  interactions
• 43:35
  and
• 43:35
  respects
• 43:36
  and.
• 43:39
  Things
• 43:39
  like
• 43:39
  that.
• 43:40
  Yeah,
• 43:40
  well,
• 43:40
  we're
• 43:41
  going
• 43:41
  to
• 43:41
  go
• 43:41
  to
• 43:41
  the
• 43:41
  lighter
• 43:42
  side
• 43:42
  now.
• 43:42
  We're
• 43:42
  going
• 43:42
  to
• 43:42
  talk
• 43:42
  about
• 43:42
  the
• 43:43
  fun
• 43:43
  stuff.
• 43:43
  Right.
• 43:44
  So
• 43:45
  why
• 43:45
  don't
• 43:46
  you
• 43:46
  tell
• 43:46
  us
• 43:46
  about
• 43:46
  some
• 43:47
  of
• 43:47
  your
• 43:47
  kind
• 43:47
  of
• 43:47
  recent
• 43:47
  and
• 43:48
  upcoming
• 43:48
  documentaries
• 43:49
  and
• 43:50
  conservation
• 43:50
  projects,
• 43:51
  because
• 43:51
  you
• 43:51
  got
• 43:51
  some
• 43:51
  really
• 43:51
  cool
• 43:52
  stuff
• 43:52
  that's,
• 43:53
  you
• 43:53
  know,
• 43:53
  I
• 43:53
  don't
• 43:53
  know
• 43:53
  what's
• 43:53
  in
• 43:54
  the
• 43:54
  pipeline,
• 43:54
  but
• 43:54
  I
• 43:54
  see
• 43:54
  what's
• 43:55
  on
• 43:55
  the
• 43:55
  website
• 43:55
  and
• 43:56
  you
• 43:56
  got
• 43:56
  some
• 43:56
  really
• 43:56
  neat
• 43:56
  stuff.
• 43:57
  You
• 43:57
  want
• 43:57
  to
• 43:57
  share
• 43:57
  that
• 43:57
  with
• 43:57
  our
• 43:57
  listeners?
• 43:59
  Yeah,
• 43:59
  we've
• 43:59
  got
• 43:59
  some,
• 43:59
  you
• 44:00
  know,
• 44:00
  we
• 44:00
  work
• 44:00
  all
• 44:00
  over
• 44:00
  the
• 44:01
  world.
• 44:02
  We've
• 44:03
  got,
• 44:03
  I'll
• 44:04
  tell
• 44:04
  you
• 44:04
  a
• 44:04
  couple
• 44:04
  of
• 44:04
  things.
• 44:04
  Working
• 44:05
  on,
• 44:05
  obviously,
• 44:05
  the
• 44:05
  world's
• 44:05
  largest
• 44:06
  cheetah
• 44:06
  relocation
• 44:06
  project
• 44:07
  right
• 44:07
  now.
• 44:07
  We
• 44:08
  moved
• 44:08
  17
• 44:08
  cheetah.
• 44:09
  We've
• 44:09
  got
• 44:09
  another
• 44:10
  three
• 44:10
  permits
• 44:10
  in
• 44:11
  place.
• 44:12
  Not
• 44:12
  in
• 44:12
  place
• 44:12
  yet,
• 44:13
  but
• 44:13
  we're
• 44:13
  probably
• 44:14
  going
• 44:14
  to
• 44:14
  move
• 44:14
  another
• 44:14
  three
• 44:14
  cheetah
• 44:15
  in
• 44:15
  2026.
• 44:16
  And
• 44:17
  that's
• 44:17
  just
• 44:17
  a
• 44:17
  fun
• 44:17
  project.
• 44:18
  It's
• 44:18
  tickling
• 44:19
  the
• 44:19
  science
• 44:19
  side
• 44:19
  of
• 44:20
  me.
• 44:20
  I
• 44:20
  geek
• 44:20
  out
• 44:21
  every
• 44:21
  morning.
• 44:22
  Our
• 44:22
  cheetahs
• 44:22
  have
• 44:23
  satellite
• 44:24
  collars
• 44:24
  on
• 44:24
  them,
• 44:25
  so
• 44:25
  I
• 44:25
  can
• 44:25
  see
• 44:25
  their
• 44:26
  movements
• 44:26
  every
• 44:26
  day.
• 44:26
  I
• 44:26
  can
• 44:27
  think
• 44:27
  about
• 44:27
  like
• 44:27
  why
• 44:27
  they're
• 44:28
  moving,
• 44:28
  why
• 44:28
  they're
• 44:28
  moving,
• 44:28
  what
• 44:29
  are
• 44:29
  they
• 44:29
  doing
• 44:29
  here?
• 44:31
  Why
• 44:31
  do
• 44:31
  they
• 44:31
  split?
• 44:32
  Please
• 44:33
  don't
• 44:33
  go
• 44:33
  across
• 44:33
  to
• 44:33
  that
• 44:34
  area.
• 44:34
  We
• 44:34
  don't
• 44:34
  want
• 44:34
  you
• 44:35
  to
• 44:35
  be
• 44:35
  in
• 44:35
  the
• 44:35
  human
• 44:35
  habitation.
• 44:36
  But
• 44:36
  then
• 44:36
  at
• 44:36
  the
• 44:36
  same
• 44:36
  time
• 44:37
  we're
• 44:37
  like,
• 44:37
  you're
• 44:37
  going
• 44:37
  to
• 44:37
  have
• 44:37
  to
• 44:37
  learn,
• 44:38
  like,
• 44:38
  don't
• 44:38
  go
• 44:39
  in
• 44:39
  that
• 44:39
  area.
• 44:41
  So
• 44:41
  that's
• 44:41
  cool.
• 44:42
  That's
• 44:42
  at
• 44:42
  least
• 44:43
  a
• 44:43
  five
• 44:43
  year
• 44:43
  project.
• 44:43
  We're
• 44:44
  at
• 44:44
  the
• 44:44
  end
• 44:44
  of
• 44:44
  year
• 44:45
  one
• 44:45
  right
• 44:45
  now.
• 44:46
  We
• 44:47
  have
• 44:47
  a
• 44:47
  documentary
• 44:47
  coming
• 44:48
  out
• 44:48
  in
• 44:48
  June
• 44:48
  of
• 44:49
  next
• 44:49
  year.
• 44:49
  It'll
• 44:49
  debut
• 44:50
  in
• 44:50
  Paris,
• 44:50
  France
• 44:51
  called
• 44:51
  Savon
• 44:52
  Bambi.
• 44:53
  And
• 44:53
  Savon
• 44:53
  Bambi
• 44:54
  is
• 44:54
  about
• 44:55
  the
• 44:55
  original
• 44:55
  narrative
• 44:56
  that
• 44:56
  sort
• 44:57
  of
• 44:57
  started
• 44:58
  an
• 44:58
  anti
• 44:58
  hunting
• 44:58
  rhetoric,
• 44:59
  which
• 44:59
  is
• 44:59
  Bambi.
• 45:00
  And
• 45:02
  it's
• 45:02
  the.
• 45:03
  A
• 45:03
  lot
• 45:03
  of
• 45:03
  people
• 45:03
  don't
• 45:04
  realize
• 45:04
  that
• 45:04
  the
• 45:04
  deer
• 45:05
  in
• 45:05
  Bambi
• 45:05
  is
• 45:05
  actually
• 45:06
  a
• 45:06
  roe
• 45:06
  deer.
• 45:07
  It's
• 45:07
  a
• 45:07
  very
• 45:07
  common
• 45:08
  species
• 45:08
  of
• 45:08
  deer
• 45:09
  across
• 45:09
  Europe.
• 45:10
  And
• 45:11
  roe
• 45:11
  deer
• 45:11
  babies,
• 45:12
  baby
• 45:12
  fawns
• 45:12
  have
• 45:13
  spots
• 45:13
  on
• 45:13
  them
• 45:14
  and
• 45:14
  they
• 45:14
  get
• 45:14
  hidden
• 45:15
  in
• 45:15
  hay
• 45:15
  fields
• 45:16
  between
• 45:17
  the
• 45:17
  middle
• 45:17
  of
• 45:17
  May
• 45:17
  and
• 45:18
  the
• 45:18
  middle
• 45:18
  of
• 45:18
  June.
• 45:18
  They're
• 45:19
  typically
• 45:19
  born
• 45:20
  in
• 45:20
  that
• 45:21
  timeframe.
• 45:22
  And
• 45:22
  so
• 45:22
  mom
• 45:22
  hides
• 45:23
  them
• 45:23
  in
• 45:23
  the
• 45:23
  fields.
• 45:24
  Well,
• 45:24
  it's
• 45:24
  also
• 45:24
  the
• 45:24
  same
• 45:25
  timeframe,
• 45:25
  based
• 45:25
  on
• 45:25
  weather
• 45:26
  conditions,
• 45:26
  that
• 45:26
  farmers
• 45:27
  cut
• 45:27
  their
• 45:27
  fields
• 45:28
  for
• 45:28
  the
• 45:28
  very
• 45:28
  first
• 45:29
  time.
• 45:29
  And
• 45:30
  so
• 45:30
  they
• 45:30
  chop
• 45:30
  Bambia.
• 45:32
  And
• 45:32
  so
• 45:32
  the
• 45:32
  only
• 45:33
  people
• 45:33
  that
• 45:33
  actually
• 45:33
  care
• 45:35
  in
• 45:35
  this
• 45:36
  scenario
• 45:36
  are
• 45:36
  hunters
• 45:38
  and
• 45:38
  hunting
• 45:38
  organizations.
• 45:39
  And
• 45:39
  so
• 45:39
  these
• 45:40
  guys
• 45:40
  go
• 45:40
  out
• 45:40
  every
• 45:40
  morning
• 45:41
  with
• 45:41
  thermal
• 45:41
  drones
• 45:42
  and
• 45:42
  they
• 45:42
  find
• 45:42
  baby
• 45:43
  roe
• 45:43
  deer
• 45:44
  and
• 45:44
  they
• 45:44
  pick
• 45:44
  them
• 45:44
  out
• 45:44
  of
• 45:44
  the
• 45:44
  fields
• 45:45
  and
• 45:45
  move
• 45:45
  them.
• 45:46
  And
• 45:46
  the
• 45:47
  guys
• 45:47
  come
• 45:47
  in,
• 45:47
  the
• 45:47
  farmers
• 45:48
  cut
• 45:48
  the
• 45:48
  fields.
• 45:48
  There's
• 45:49
  no
• 45:49
  PETA,
• 45:49
  there's
• 45:50
  no
• 45:50
  Humane
• 45:50
  society,
• 45:51
  there's
• 45:51
  no
• 45:51
  NSPCA
• 45:53
  doing
• 45:53
  any
• 45:53
  of
• 45:53
  this
• 45:53
  work.
• 45:54
  And
• 45:54
  so
• 45:54
  that's
• 45:55
  a
• 45:55
  cool
• 45:55
  documentary
• 45:55
  that
• 45:56
  we've
• 45:56
  got.
• 45:57
  We've
• 45:58
  got
• 45:58
  another
• 45:58
  really,
• 45:59
  really
• 46:01
  emotional
• 46:01
  documentary
• 46:02
  called
• 46:02
  In
• 46:02
  My
• 46:02
  Footsteps
• 46:03
  that's
• 46:04
  coming
• 46:04
  out
• 46:04
  in
• 46:04
  2026.
• 46:05
  In
• 46:05
  my
• 46:05
  footsteps
• 46:06
  about
• 46:07
  an
• 46:07
  individual
• 46:07
  who
• 46:08
  received
• 46:08
  the
• 46:08
  first
• 46:09
  education
• 46:09
  monies
• 46:10
  from
• 46:11
  a
• 46:11
  hunting
• 46:11
  charity
• 46:12
  in
• 46:13
  South
• 46:13
  Africa.
• 46:14
  And
• 46:14
  because
• 46:15
  he
• 46:16
  was
• 46:16
  number
• 46:16
  one,
• 46:17
  he
• 46:17
  had
• 46:17
  to
• 46:17
  be
• 46:17
  successful.
• 46:19
  If
• 46:19
  he
• 46:19
  wasn't
• 46:19
  successful,
• 46:20
  then
• 46:20
  the
• 46:20
  program
• 46:20
  would
• 46:21
  have
• 46:21
  collapsed
• 46:22
  because
• 46:22
  what's
• 46:23
  the
• 46:23
  point
• 46:23
  in
• 46:23
  investing
• 46:24
  in
• 46:24
  kids
• 46:24
  if
• 46:25
  nothing's
• 46:25
  coming
• 46:25
  to
• 46:26
  fruition?
• 46:27
  Well,
• 46:28
  this
• 46:28
  individual
• 46:28
  is
• 46:28
  now
• 46:29
  a
• 46:29
  very
• 46:29
  accomplished
• 46:30
  architect
• 46:31
  in
• 46:31
  a
• 46:31
  very
• 46:31
  accomplished
• 46:32
  architectural
• 46:32
  firm
• 46:33
  in
• 46:33
  East
• 46:33
  London
• 46:33
  in
• 46:34
  Port
• 46:34
  Elizabeth.
• 46:34
  Sorry.
• 46:35
  And
• 46:36
  we
• 46:36
  followed,
• 46:36
  we
• 46:37
  went
• 46:37
  and
• 46:37
  told
• 46:37
  his
• 46:38
  story
• 46:38
  and
• 46:38
  then
• 46:38
  we
• 46:38
  took
• 46:39
  him
• 46:39
  back
• 46:39
  to
• 46:39
  where
• 46:39
  he
• 46:39
  started
• 46:41
  and
• 46:41
  made
• 46:41
  him
• 46:41
  walk
• 46:41
  the
• 46:42
  same
• 46:42
  streets
• 46:42
  that
• 46:43
  he
• 46:43
  walked
• 46:43
  as
• 46:43
  a
• 46:43
  kid
• 46:44
  and
• 46:44
  the
• 46:44
  hostels
• 46:45
  that
• 46:45
  he
• 46:45
  stayed
• 46:46
  in.
• 46:46
  And
• 46:47
  it
• 46:47
  is
• 46:47
  a
• 46:47
  powerful,
• 46:48
  powerful
• 46:49
  piece.
• 46:51
  We
• 46:51
  got
• 46:52
  a
• 46:52
  veteran
• 46:52
  turkey
• 46:52
  hunt
• 46:53
  coming.
• 46:53
  That's
• 46:54
  again
• 46:54
  a
• 46:54
  very
• 46:54
  powerful
• 46:55
  piece
• 46:55
  about
• 46:55
  how
• 46:55
  healing
• 46:56
  helps
• 46:56
  these
• 46:57
  veterans,
• 46:57
  helping
• 46:58
  in
• 46:58
  the
• 46:58
  outdoors
• 46:59
  helps
• 46:59
  them.
• 47:00
  We've
• 47:00
  got
• 47:00
  work
• 47:00
  on
• 47:01
  rhino
• 47:01
  trade,
• 47:02
  we've
• 47:02
  got
• 47:03
  a
• 47:03
  lion
• 47:03
  conservation
• 47:04
  piece.
• 47:05
  We're
• 47:05
  investing
• 47:06
  in
• 47:06
  building
• 47:06
  schools
• 47:07
  and
• 47:07
  clinics
• 47:07
  in
• 47:08
  South
• 47:08
  Africa
• 47:08
  and
• 47:09
  Zambia
• 47:10
  next
• 47:10
  year.
• 47:11
  We've
• 47:11
  got
• 47:11
  a
• 47:11
  lot
• 47:11
  on
• 47:12
  the
• 47:12
  go.
• 47:12
  Marvin.
• 47:14
  Yeah,
• 47:14
  I
• 47:14
  think
• 47:14
  the
• 47:15
  interesting
• 47:15
  thing
• 47:15
  too
• 47:15
  about
• 47:15
  the
• 47:16
  cheetah
• 47:16
  relocation
• 47:16
  is
• 47:17
  that,
• 47:17
  that
• 47:17
  you're
• 47:17
  not
• 47:17
  relocating
• 47:18
  them
• 47:18
  to
• 47:19
  then
• 47:19
  harvest
• 47:19
  them
• 47:19
  later.
• 47:20
  You're
• 47:20
  relocating.
• 47:21
  No
• 47:21
  hunting.
• 47:21
  Yeah,
• 47:22
  so
• 47:22
  it's.
• 47:23
  There's
• 47:23
  no
• 47:23
  hunting,
• 47:23
  you
• 47:24
  know,
• 47:24
  there's
• 47:24
  no
• 47:24
  harvest
• 47:25
  there.
• 47:25
  You're
• 47:25
  actually
• 47:25
  moving
• 47:26
  them
• 47:26
  because
• 47:27
  the
• 47:27
  species
• 47:28
  is
• 47:28
  incredibly
• 47:28
  endangered.
• 47:30
  Yeah,
• 47:30
  incredibly
• 47:30
  endangered.
• 47:31
  Requires
• 47:31
  new
• 47:32
  habitats,
• 47:32
  requires
• 47:33
  open
• 47:33
  range
• 47:33
  systems
• 47:34
  to
• 47:34
  be
• 47:35
  repatriated
• 47:36
  into.
• 47:37
  And
• 47:37
  truly
• 47:38
  it's
• 47:38
  a
• 47:38
  range
• 47:38
  expansion
• 47:39
  project.
• 47:39
  You
• 47:39
  want
• 47:39
  cheetahs
• 47:40
  to
• 47:40
  be
• 47:40
  in
• 47:41
  broader
• 47:41
  habitats.
• 47:42
  And
• 47:42
  we
• 47:43
  know
• 47:43
  that
• 47:43
  there's
• 47:43
  a
• 47:43
  couple
• 47:44
  of
• 47:44
  transient
• 47:45
  cheetahs
• 47:45
  in
• 47:45
  this
• 47:46
  system,
• 47:47
  not
• 47:47
  very
• 47:47
  many.
• 47:48
  And
• 47:48
  we
• 47:49
  probably
• 47:49
  think
• 47:49
  there's
• 47:49
  probably
• 47:50
  six
• 47:50
  to
• 47:50
  10
• 47:51
  in
• 47:51
  the
• 47:51
  area
• 47:51
  based
• 47:52
  on
• 47:52
  all
• 47:52
  of
• 47:52
  the
• 47:52
  anecdotal
• 47:53
  information
• 47:53
  that
• 47:53
  we've
• 47:54
  gathered.
• 47:54
  And
• 47:54
  now
• 47:55
  we've
• 47:55
  put
• 47:55
  17
• 47:56
  into
• 47:56
  the
• 47:56
  system
• 47:57
  and
• 47:58
  we
• 47:58
  plan
• 47:58
  to
• 47:58
  put
• 47:58
  more
• 47:58
  into
• 47:59
  the
• 47:59
  system.
• 47:59
  And
• 47:59
  the
• 47:59
  system,
• 48:00
  really,
• 48:00
  our
• 48:00
  area
• 48:01
  is
• 48:01
  a
• 48:01
  500,000
• 48:02
  acre
• 48:02
  area
• 48:04
  just
• 48:04
  on
• 48:04
  the
• 48:04
  border
• 48:04
  of,
• 48:04
  in
• 48:05
  Mozambique,
• 48:05
  on
• 48:05
  the
• 48:06
  border
• 48:06
  of
• 48:06
  Zimbabwe.
• 48:07
  But
• 48:07
  it
• 48:07
  buffers
• 48:08
  up
• 48:08
  against
• 48:09
  probably
• 48:09
  10
• 48:10
  million
• 48:10
  acres
• 48:12
  of
• 48:13
  adequate
• 48:13
  cheetah
• 48:14
  habitat
• 48:15
  that's
• 48:15
  all
• 48:15
  protected,
• 48:16
  whether
• 48:16
  there's
• 48:17
  some
• 48:17
  hunting
• 48:17
  concessions,
• 48:18
  there's
• 48:18
  some
• 48:18
  photographic
• 48:19
  concessions,
• 48:19
  there's
• 48:20
  some
• 48:20
  national
• 48:20
  parks.
• 48:21
  So
• 48:21
  it's
• 48:21
  a
• 48:22
  really
• 48:22
  beautiful
• 48:22
  blend
• 48:23
  of
• 48:23
  all
• 48:23
  the,
• 48:24
  as
• 48:25
  we
• 48:25
  mentioned
• 48:25
  in
• 48:25
  the
• 48:25
  beginning,
• 48:26
  all
• 48:26
  of
• 48:26
  the
• 48:26
  uses.
• 48:28
  Sorry,
• 48:28
  all
• 48:28
  the
• 48:29
  tools
• 48:31
  for
• 48:31
  wildlife
• 48:31
  conservation
• 48:32
  in
• 48:32
  this
• 48:32
  landscape.
• 48:34
  Very
• 48:34
  neat.
• 48:34
  And
• 48:34
  so
• 48:34
  as
• 48:35
  I
• 48:35
  kind
• 48:35
  of
• 48:35
  come
• 48:35
  back.
• 48:35
  Right.
• 48:36
  So
• 48:36
  I'm
• 48:36
  a,
• 48:36
  I'm
• 48:36
  a
• 48:36
  fisherman
• 48:37
  first
• 48:38
  and
• 48:38
  we
• 48:38
  have
• 48:39
  similar
• 48:39
  issues.
• 48:39
  There's
• 48:40
  a
• 48:40
  little
• 48:40
  bit
• 48:40
  of
• 48:40
  difference,
• 48:40
  you
• 48:40
  know,
• 48:41
  so
• 48:41
  we've
• 48:41
  got
• 48:41
  like
• 48:41
  wild
• 48:41
  fish
• 48:42
  hatchery,
• 48:43
  we've
• 48:43
  certainly.
• 48:43
  There's
• 48:44
  a
• 48:44
  lot,
• 48:44
  particularly
• 48:44
  on
• 48:45
  the
• 48:45
  saltwater
• 48:45
  side,
• 48:46
  like
• 48:46
  with
• 48:46
  striper
• 48:47
  and
• 48:48
  redfish.
• 48:48
  You
• 48:49
  know,
• 48:49
  there's
• 48:49
  a
• 48:49
  lot
• 48:49
  of
• 48:49
  commercial
• 48:50
  recreational
• 48:50
  divide.
• 48:51
  And
• 48:51
  you
• 48:51
  know,
• 48:51
  we've
• 48:52
  got
• 48:52
  the
• 48:52
  public
• 48:52
  private
• 48:53
  issue
• 48:53
  and
• 48:54
  kind
• 48:54
  of
• 48:54
  catch
• 48:54
  and
• 48:54
  release
• 48:54
  versus
• 48:55
  harvested,
• 48:55
  but
• 48:56
  all
• 48:56
  that
• 48:56
  stuff
• 48:56
  kind
• 48:56
  of
• 48:56
  goes
• 48:57
  in
• 48:57
  the
• 48:57
  soup.
• 48:58
  And
• 48:58
  I
• 48:58
  was
• 48:58
  kind
• 48:58
  of
• 48:58
  curious,
• 48:59
  you
• 48:59
  know,
• 48:59
  your
• 48:59
  thoughts
• 49:00
  on
• 49:02
  how
• 49:02
  we,
• 49:03
  the
• 49:03
  fishing
• 49:03
  and
• 49:04
  the
• 49:04
  fly
• 49:04
  fishing
• 49:04
  community
• 49:05
  could
• 49:05
  use
• 49:05
  your
• 49:06
  approach
• 49:07
  to
• 49:07
  kind
• 49:07
  of
• 49:07
  open
• 49:07
  the
• 49:08
  aperture
• 49:08
  to
• 49:08
  get
• 49:08
  better
• 49:09
  solutions.
• 49:09
  Right.
• 49:10
  Because
• 49:10
  it's
• 49:10
  not,
• 49:10
  you
• 49:11
  know,
• 49:11
  there's
• 49:11
  some
• 49:11
  places
• 49:12
  that
• 49:12
  have
• 49:12
  to
• 49:12
  be
• 49:12
  private
• 49:13
  to
• 49:13
  be
• 49:13
  protected.
• 49:13
  There's
• 49:14
  some
• 49:14
  places
• 49:14
  where
• 49:14
  you
• 49:14
  have
• 49:15
  to
• 49:15
  harvest
• 49:15
  fish.
• 49:16
  You
• 49:16
  know,
• 49:17
  people
• 49:17
  have
• 49:17
  to
• 49:17
  make
• 49:17
  a
• 49:18
  living.
• 49:18
  So,
• 49:18
  like,
• 49:18
  how
• 49:19
  do
• 49:19
  you.
• 49:19
  Moderate
• 49:19
  commercial
• 49:20
  versus
• 49:20
  recreational
• 49:21
  harvest,
• 49:22
  you
• 49:22
  know,
• 49:22
  Kind
• 49:22
  of.
• 49:22
  Any
• 49:23
  thoughts
• 49:23
  about,
• 49:24
  you
• 49:24
  know,
• 49:25
  how
• 49:25
  people
• 49:25
  can
• 49:25
  apply
• 49:26
  what
• 49:26
  you,
• 49:26
  you
• 49:27
  know,
• 49:27
  you've
• 49:27
  learned
• 49:28
  and
• 49:28
  you're
• 49:28
  implementing
• 49:28
  on
• 49:28
  the
• 49:29
  hunting
• 49:29
  side
• 49:29
  to
• 49:29
  their
• 49:29
  fishing
• 49:30
  communities?
• 49:32
  I
• 49:32
  think
• 49:32
  we've
• 49:33
  already,
• 49:33
  we've
• 49:33
  already
• 49:34
  sort
• 49:35
  of
• 49:35
  worked
• 49:35
  through
• 49:36
  that,
• 49:36
  which
• 49:36
  is
• 49:37
  you
• 49:37
  need
• 49:38
  to.
• 49:38
  We
• 49:38
  need
• 49:38
  to
• 49:38
  get
• 49:38
  away
• 49:39
  from
• 49:39
  just
• 49:40
  sending
• 49:40
  and
• 49:41
  talking
• 49:41
  about
• 49:42
  the
• 49:42
  number
• 49:42
  of
• 49:42
  fish
• 49:42
  you've
• 49:43
  caught
• 49:43
  and
• 49:43
  how
• 49:43
  big
• 49:44
  the
• 49:44
  fish
• 49:44
  is,
• 49:45
  to
• 49:45
  really
• 49:46
  taking
• 49:47
  the,
• 49:47
  the,
• 49:49
  the
• 49:49
  idea
• 49:50
  of
• 49:50
  all
• 49:50
  those
• 49:50
  things
• 49:51
  by
• 49:51
  the
• 49:51
  scruff
• 49:51
  of
• 49:51
  its
• 49:51
  neck
• 49:52
  and
• 49:52
  saying,
• 49:52
  here,
• 49:53
  like,
• 49:53
  make
• 49:53
  it
• 49:53
  public.
• 49:54
  Like,
• 49:54
  this
• 49:55
  is
• 49:55
  what
• 49:55
  happens.
• 49:55
  Like,
• 49:56
  this
• 49:56
  is
• 49:56
  why
• 49:56
  it's
• 49:57
  private.
• 49:58
  Anybody
• 49:58
  know
• 49:59
  why
• 49:59
  it's
• 49:59
  private?
• 50:00
  Has
• 50:00
  anybody
• 50:00
  talked
• 50:01
  about
• 50:01
  why
• 50:01
  it's
• 50:01
  private,
• 50:01
  why
• 50:02
  it
• 50:02
  needs
• 50:02
  to
• 50:02
  be
• 50:02
  private
• 50:03
  here?
• 50:03
  Let's
• 50:04
  talk
• 50:04
  about
• 50:04
  it.
• 50:05
  Let's
• 50:05
  have
• 50:05
  a
• 50:05
  podcast
• 50:06
  about
• 50:06
  it,
• 50:07
  let's
• 50:08
  have
• 50:08
  a
• 50:08
  field
• 50:08
  day
• 50:09
  about
• 50:09
  it,
• 50:10
  let's
• 50:10
  have
• 50:10
  a
• 50:10
  documentary
• 50:11
  about
• 50:11
  it.
• 50:12
  Let's
• 50:12
  build
• 50:13
  some
• 50:13
  infographics
• 50:13
  that
• 50:14
  show
• 50:14
  the
• 50:14
  changes
• 50:15
  in
• 50:15
  biodiversity
• 50:16
  as
• 50:16
  a
• 50:16
  result
• 50:16
  of
• 50:17
  that
• 50:17
  effort.
• 50:18
  Hey,
• 50:18
  let's
• 50:19
  talk
• 50:19
  about
• 50:19
  the
• 50:19
  economic
• 50:20
  upliftment
• 50:22
  that
• 50:22
  comes
• 50:22
  because
• 50:23
  of
• 50:23
  this.
• 50:24
  Hey,
• 50:24
  let's
• 50:24
  give
• 50:24
  you
• 50:25
  the
• 50:25
  data
• 50:25
  of
• 50:26
  the
• 50:26
  fishery
• 50:27
  and
• 50:27
  how
• 50:27
  well
• 50:28
  it's
• 50:28
  doing,
• 50:29
  because
• 50:29
  we
• 50:30
  did
• 50:30
  X,
• 50:30
  Y
• 50:30
  and
• 50:30
  Z,
• 50:31
  and
• 50:31
  that's
• 50:31
  why
• 50:31
  we
• 50:32
  need
• 50:32
  X,
• 50:32
  Y
• 50:32
  and
• 50:33
  Z
• 50:33
  implemented
• 50:33
  in,
• 50:34
  elsewhere,
• 50:34
  because
• 50:35
  the
• 50:35
  same
• 50:35
  thing's
• 50:35
  going
• 50:35
  to
• 50:36
  happen.
• 50:37
  And
• 50:37
  I'm
• 50:37
  sure
• 50:37
  CCA
• 50:38
  is
• 50:38
  doing
• 50:38
  stuff
• 50:38
  like
• 50:38
  that,
• 50:39
  and
• 50:39
  I'm
• 50:39
  sure
• 50:39
  there's
• 50:39
  other
• 50:39
  organizations,
• 50:40
  Trout
• 50:40
  Unlimited,
• 50:41
  doing
• 50:41
  things
• 50:41
  like
• 50:42
  that,
• 50:42
  but
• 50:42
  maybe
• 50:43
  not
• 50:43
  at
• 50:43
  the
• 50:43
  scale
• 50:44
  of
• 50:44
  what's
• 50:44
  needed
• 50:45
  like
• 50:45
  we're
• 50:45
  doing.
• 50:46
  And
• 50:46
  so
• 50:46
  it's
• 50:46
  just,
• 50:47
  it
• 50:47
  just
• 50:47
  takes
• 50:47
  a
• 50:47
  different
• 50:48
  mindset,
• 50:48
  Marvin.
• 50:48
  That's
• 50:49
  all
• 50:49
  it's
• 50:49
  going
• 50:49
  to
• 50:49
  require
• 50:50
  is
• 50:50
  somebody
• 50:50
  approaching
• 50:51
  it
• 50:51
  from
• 50:51
  the
• 50:51
  mindset
• 50:52
  like
• 50:52
  we
• 50:52
  do,
• 50:53
  which
• 50:53
  is
• 50:54
  we're
• 50:54
  not
• 50:54
  actually
• 50:55
  interested
• 50:55
  in
• 50:56
  the
• 50:56
  fishing,
• 50:58
  but
• 50:58
  we're
• 50:58
  in
• 50:58
  your
• 50:58
  camp,
• 50:58
  we're
• 50:59
  in
• 50:59
  your
• 50:59
  community.
• 50:59
  Like
• 51:00
  we.
• 51:00
  I'm
• 51:00
  not
• 51:00
  interested
• 51:01
  in
• 51:01
  the
• 51:01
  hunting.
• 51:02
  I'm
• 51:03
  interested
• 51:03
  in
• 51:03
  all
• 51:03
  the
• 51:03
  things
• 51:04
  that
• 51:04
  come
• 51:04
  as
• 51:04
  a
• 51:05
  result
• 51:05
  of
• 51:05
  you
• 51:06
  doing
• 51:06
  what
• 51:06
  you're
• 51:06
  doing.
• 51:07
  And
• 51:07
  how
• 51:07
  do
• 51:07
  we
• 51:08
  take
• 51:08
  all
• 51:08
  of
• 51:08
  that
• 51:08
  information
• 51:09
  to
• 51:10
  defend
• 51:10
  why
• 51:11
  you
• 51:11
  do
• 51:11
  what
• 51:11
  you
• 51:11
  do
• 51:12
  and
• 51:12
  help
• 51:13
  you
• 51:13
  keep
• 51:13
  what
• 51:13
  you
• 51:13
  do,
• 51:14
  protect
• 51:15
  what
• 51:15
  you
• 51:15
  do,
• 51:16
  grow
• 51:16
  what
• 51:17
  you
• 51:17
  do?
• 51:18
  Yeah,
• 51:18
  it's
• 51:19
  interesting.
• 51:19
  I
• 51:19
  think
• 51:19
  we're
• 51:19
  going
• 51:20
  to
• 51:20
  have
• 51:20
  to
• 51:20
  fight
• 51:20
  a
• 51:20
  similar
• 51:20
  battle
• 51:21
  on
• 51:21
  the
• 51:21
  social
• 51:21
  media
• 51:22
  front,
• 51:22
  because
• 51:22
  I
• 51:23
  don't
• 51:23
  think
• 51:23
  that,
• 51:25
  for
• 51:25
  lack
• 51:25
  of
• 51:25
  a
• 51:26
  better
• 51:26
  word,
• 51:26
  the
• 51:26
  influencer
• 51:27
  culture
• 51:27
  we
• 51:27
  have
• 51:27
  going
• 51:27
  on
• 51:28
  in
• 51:28
  the
• 51:28
  fly
• 51:28
  fishing
• 51:29
  community
• 51:29
  is
• 51:29
  really
• 51:30
  lending
• 51:31
  itself
• 51:31
  very
• 51:31
  well
• 51:32
  to
• 51:32
  that
• 51:32
  richer
• 51:32
  narrative.
• 51:35
  But
• 51:35
  they
• 51:35
  could,
• 51:36
  they
• 51:36
  could.
• 51:36
  They're
• 51:36
  prime,
• 51:36
  too.
• 51:37
  Yeah,
• 51:38
  well,
• 51:39
  something
• 51:39
  on
• 51:39
  the
• 51:40
  list
• 51:40
  for
• 51:40
  20,
• 51:40
  26.
• 51:41
  There
• 51:41
  we
• 51:42
  go.
• 51:42
  So
• 51:43
  to
• 51:43
  sort
• 51:43
  of
• 51:43
  come
• 51:43
  full
• 51:44
  circle,
• 51:44
  you
• 51:44
  know,
• 51:44
  you,
• 51:46
  you
• 51:46
  had
• 51:46
  this
• 51:46
  great
• 51:47
  public
• 51:47
  land
• 51:47
  experience
• 51:48
  as
• 51:48
  your
• 51:48
  first
• 51:48
  hunting
• 51:49
  experience
• 51:49
  in
• 51:49
  the
• 51:49
  US
• 51:50
  and,
• 51:50
  you
• 51:51
  know,
• 51:51
  obviously
• 51:51
  there's
• 51:51
  a
• 51:52
  lot
• 51:52
  going
• 51:52
  on
• 51:53
  in
• 51:53
  terms
• 51:53
  of
• 51:53
  access.
• 51:55
  Public.
• 51:55
  Public
• 51:55
  land
• 51:56
  access
• 51:56
  in
• 51:56
  the
• 51:56
  United
• 51:56
  States.
• 51:58
  But
• 51:58
  also
• 51:58
  too,
• 51:59
  I
• 51:59
  think
• 51:59
  there's
• 51:59
  a
• 52:00
  lot
• 52:00
  going
• 52:00
  on
• 52:00
  in
• 52:00
  terms
• 52:01
  of
• 52:02
  funding
• 52:02
  the
• 52:02
  infrastructure
• 52:03
  to
• 52:03
  manage
• 52:03
  the
• 52:04
  public
• 52:04
  land.
• 52:05
  And
• 52:05
  so
• 52:05
  I
• 52:05
  was
• 52:05
  kind
• 52:05
  of
• 52:06
  curious
• 52:06
  if
• 52:06
  you
• 52:06
  kind
• 52:06
  of
• 52:06
  had
• 52:07
  some
• 52:07
  thoughts.
• 52:07
  I
• 52:07
  think
• 52:07
  it
• 52:07
  would
• 52:08
  be
• 52:08
  great,
• 52:08
  you
• 52:08
  know,
• 52:08
  given
• 52:08
  what
• 52:08
  you
• 52:09
  do,
• 52:09
  but
• 52:09
  also
• 52:09
  the
• 52:09
  fact
• 52:09
  that
• 52:10
  you
• 52:10
  kind
• 52:10
  of
• 52:10
  have
• 52:12
  this
• 52:12
  benefit
• 52:12
  of
• 52:12
  knowing,
• 52:13
  like,
• 52:13
  what
• 52:13
  it's
• 52:13
  like
• 52:13
  to
• 52:13
  grow
• 52:14
  up,
• 52:14
  for
• 52:14
  lack
• 52:14
  of
• 52:14
  a
• 52:14
  better
• 52:14
  word.
• 52:15
  I
• 52:15
  know
• 52:15
  you
• 52:15
  were
• 52:15
  in
• 52:15
  South
• 52:15
  Africa,
• 52:16
  but
• 52:16
  that's
• 52:16
  kind
• 52:16
  of
• 52:16
  the
• 52:16
  European
• 52:17
  model,
• 52:17
  like
• 52:17
  the
• 52:17
  king
• 52:17
  owns
• 52:18
  land
• 52:18
  and
• 52:18
  you
• 52:18
  don't
• 52:18
  get
• 52:19
  to
• 52:19
  go
• 52:19
  on.
• 52:19
  On
• 52:19
  the
• 52:19
  land,
• 52:20
  but
• 52:20
  kind
• 52:20
  of
• 52:20
  share
• 52:21
  your
• 52:21
  thoughts
• 52:21
  about
• 52:21
  where
• 52:22
  we
• 52:22
  are
• 52:22
  in
• 52:22
  terms
• 52:23
  of
• 52:24
  managing
• 52:24
  public
• 52:24
  lands
• 52:25
  and
• 52:25
  funding
• 52:25
  the
• 52:25
  stewards
• 52:26
  that
• 52:26
  we
• 52:26
  pay
• 52:26
  to
• 52:27
  basically
• 52:27
  make
• 52:27
  sure
• 52:27
  we,
• 52:28
  you
• 52:28
  know,
• 52:28
  sustainably,
• 52:29
  basically
• 52:30
  reap
• 52:30
  the
• 52:31
  benefits
• 52:31
  of
• 52:31
  those
• 52:31
  lands.
• 52:33
  Yeah,
• 52:34
  as
• 52:34
  I
• 52:34
  said,
• 52:34
  the
• 52:35
  public
• 52:35
  land
• 52:35
  system
• 52:36
  in
• 52:36
  America
• 52:36
  is
• 52:36
  what
• 52:37
  makes
• 52:37
  it
• 52:37
  amazing,
• 52:38
  what
• 52:38
  makes
• 52:38
  it
• 52:38
  great.
• 52:40
  I
• 52:40
  think,
• 52:40
  obviously
• 52:41
  we've
• 52:41
  seen
• 52:41
  on
• 52:41
  this
• 52:42
  administration
• 52:42
  a
• 52:43
  constant
• 52:43
  attack
• 52:44
  on
• 52:44
  public
• 52:45
  lands
• 52:45
  and
• 52:45
  changing
• 52:46
  potential
• 52:46
  uses
• 52:47
  of
• 52:47
  public
• 52:47
  lands.
• 52:48
  And
• 52:49
  again,
• 52:50
  you'd
• 52:50
  expect
• 52:51
  this
• 52:51
  from
• 52:51
  me.
• 52:51
  I,
• 52:52
  I
• 52:52
  sort
• 52:52
  of
• 52:52
  get
• 52:52
  it,
• 52:53
  which
• 52:53
  is
• 52:53
  this
• 52:53
  whole
• 52:54
  energy
• 52:54
  independence
• 52:55
  component
• 52:56
  of
• 52:56
  the
• 52:56
  strategy.
• 52:57
  Like,
• 52:57
  hey,
• 52:57
  let's
• 52:57
  take
• 52:58
  care
• 52:58
  of
• 52:58
  our
• 52:58
  own.
• 52:58
  We've
• 52:58
  got
• 52:59
  things
• 52:59
  here.
• 53:00
  But
• 53:00
  we
• 53:00
  shouldn't
• 53:01
  sacrifice
• 53:01
  what
• 53:01
  we
• 53:02
  have.
• 53:03
  The
• 53:03
  greatest
• 53:04
  riches
• 53:04
  in
• 53:05
  which
• 53:06
  is
• 53:06
  public
• 53:06
  land
• 53:06
  and
• 53:07
  the
• 53:07
  ability
• 53:07
  to
• 53:08
  access
• 53:08
  public
• 53:08
  land.
• 53:09
  All
• 53:09
  the
• 53:09
  benefits
• 53:09
  that
• 53:10
  come
• 53:10
  from
• 53:10
  it.
• 53:10
  Spiritual,
• 53:11
  physical,
• 53:11
  mental,
• 53:12
  feeding
• 53:13
  yourself,
• 53:14
  that
• 53:14
  kind
• 53:14
  of
• 53:15
  things.
• 53:17
  I
• 53:17
  do,
• 53:17
  though,
• 53:17
  believe
• 53:18
  that
• 53:18
  we
• 53:18
  have
• 53:19
  forgotten
• 53:20
  about
• 53:21
  the
• 53:21
  management.
• 53:21
  We've
• 53:22
  forgotten
• 53:22
  about
• 53:22
  the
• 53:23
  stewardship
• 53:23
  component
• 53:24
  of
• 53:24
  our
• 53:24
  public
• 53:25
  lands.
• 53:25
  The
• 53:26
  agencies
• 53:26
  that
• 53:27
  are
• 53:27
  in
• 53:28
  charge
• 53:28
  of
• 53:28
  our
• 53:28
  public
• 53:28
  lands,
• 53:29
  usda,
• 53:30
  Forest
• 53:31
  Service,
• 53:32
  Fish
• 53:32
  and
• 53:32
  Wildlife
• 53:32
  Service,
• 53:33
  blm.
• 53:35
  Those
• 53:35
  agencies
• 53:36
  are
• 53:36
  severely
• 53:37
  underfunded
• 53:39
  to
• 53:40
  do
• 53:40
  the
• 53:40
  work
• 53:40
  to
• 53:41
  maintain
• 53:41
  these
• 53:41
  areas.
• 53:42
  Right.
• 53:42
  You
• 53:43
  just
• 53:43
  look
• 53:43
  at
• 53:43
  catastrophic
• 53:44
  fires.
• 53:46
  That's
• 53:46
  just
• 53:46
  the
• 53:46
  reason
• 53:47
  we
• 53:47
  have
• 53:47
  catastrophic
• 53:47
  fires
• 53:48
  is
• 53:48
  because
• 53:48
  we
• 53:48
  just
• 53:48
  don't
• 53:49
  have
• 53:49
  the
• 53:49
  money
• 53:50
  and
• 53:51
  infrastructure
• 53:51
  to
• 53:52
  implement
• 53:53
  a
• 53:53
  fire
• 53:54
  regime
• 53:55
  that
• 53:55
  is,
• 53:56
  from
• 53:57
  a
• 53:57
  management
• 53:57
  lens,
• 53:59
  that's
• 53:59
  it.
• 54:00
  So
• 54:01
  if
• 54:01
  we
• 54:01
  gave
• 54:02
  them
• 54:02
  more
• 54:02
  money,
• 54:03
  we'd
• 54:04
  have
• 54:04
  better
• 54:04
  public
• 54:04
  lands,
• 54:05
  we'd
• 54:05
  have
• 54:05
  better
• 54:05
  wildlife,
• 54:06
  we'd
• 54:06
  have
• 54:06
  better
• 54:07
  resources.
• 54:09
  To
• 54:09
  me,
• 54:09
  that's.
• 54:10
  It's
• 54:10
  a
• 54:10
  huge.
• 54:10
  It's
• 54:11
  a
• 54:11
  huge
• 54:11
  thing.
• 54:11
  The
• 54:12
  management
• 54:12
  element
• 54:13
  is
• 54:13
  huge.
• 54:16
  Think
• 54:17
  outside
• 54:17
  the
• 54:17
  box.
• 54:18
  Let's
• 54:18
  think
• 54:18
  really
• 54:18
  outside
• 54:19
  the
• 54:19
  box
• 54:19
  a
• 54:19
  little
• 54:19
  bit.
• 54:20
  We
• 54:21
  can
• 54:21
  think
• 54:21
  a
• 54:21
  little
• 54:21
  bit
• 54:22
  of
• 54:22
  the
• 54:22
  public
• 54:22
  private
• 54:23
  partnership.
• 54:23
  The
• 54:23
  public
• 54:24
  private
• 54:24
  partnership
• 54:25
  works
• 54:25
  very,
• 54:25
  very
• 54:25
  well
• 54:26
  all
• 54:26
  over
• 54:26
  the
• 54:27
  world.
• 54:28
  Are
• 54:28
  there
• 54:28
  small,
• 54:28
  like,
• 54:28
  are
• 54:29
  there
• 54:29
  small
• 54:29
  wildlife
• 54:29
  refuges
• 54:30
  no,
• 54:31
  that
• 54:31
  are
• 54:31
  duck
• 54:31
  refuges
• 54:34
  that
• 54:35
  an
• 54:35
  ngo,
• 54:35
  local
• 54:36
  NGO
• 54:37
  can
• 54:37
  take
• 54:37
  over
• 54:37
  the
• 54:37
  management
• 54:38
  of
• 54:39
  and
• 54:40
  they
• 54:40
  co
• 54:40
  manage
• 54:42
  with
• 54:42
  the
• 54:43
  feds
• 54:43
  and
• 54:43
  the
• 54:43
  private
• 54:44
  entity.
• 54:44
  It
• 54:44
  happens
• 54:45
  everywhere.
• 54:45
  We
• 54:45
  shouldn't
• 54:46
  be
• 54:46
  afraid
• 54:46
  of
• 54:46
  that
• 54:46
  model,
• 54:47
  we
• 54:47
  should
• 54:48
  embrace
• 54:48
  it
• 54:48
  because
• 54:49
  now
• 54:49
  you've
• 54:49
  got
• 54:49
  access
• 54:50
  to
• 54:50
  money
• 54:52
  and
• 54:53
  people
• 54:53
  who
• 54:53
  are
• 54:53
  interested
• 54:54
  in
• 54:54
  doing
• 54:54
  the
• 54:54
  work.
• 54:57
  So
• 54:57
  there's,
• 54:57
  you
• 54:57
  know,
• 54:58
  carbon
• 54:58
  credits,
• 54:58
  biodiversity
• 54:59
  credit
• 55:00
  schemes,
• 55:00
  tapping
• 55:01
  into
• 55:01
  the
• 55:01
  world
• 55:01
  banks,
• 55:02
  tapping
• 55:03
  into
• 55:03
  big
• 55:03
  companies
• 55:03
  that
• 55:04
  need
• 55:04
  those
• 55:04
  biodiversity
• 55:05
  credits
• 55:05
  or
• 55:05
  carbon
• 55:06
  credits.
• 55:08
  Could
• 55:08
  we
• 55:08
  not
• 55:08
  again
• 55:08
  create
• 55:09
  a
• 55:09
  public
• 55:09
  private
• 55:09
  partnership
• 55:10
  there
• 55:11
  to
• 55:11
  help
• 55:11
  our
• 55:12
  public
• 55:12
  lands
• 55:13
  get
• 55:13
  better,
• 55:14
  become
• 55:14
  healthier?
• 55:16
  That's
• 55:16
  where
• 55:17
  I
• 55:17
  stand.
• 55:18
  Yeah,
• 55:18
  it's
• 55:18
  interesting,
• 55:19
  right,
• 55:19
  because
• 55:19
  I
• 55:19
  always,
• 55:19
  I'm
• 55:20
  always
• 55:20
  so
• 55:20
  disappointed
• 55:21
  that
• 55:21
  the
• 55:21
  framing
• 55:22
  now
• 55:22
  is
• 55:22
  so
• 55:22
  simplistic,
• 55:23
  right.
• 55:23
  It's
• 55:23
  either
• 55:23
  A
• 55:24
  or
• 55:24
  not
• 55:24
  A.
• 55:24
  And
• 55:24
  there's
• 55:25
  like
• 55:25
  all,
• 55:25
  I
• 55:25
  always
• 55:25
  tell
• 55:26
  my
• 55:26
  boys,
• 55:26
  like
• 55:26
  all
• 55:26
  the
• 55:27
  hard
• 55:27
  work
• 55:27
  is
• 55:27
  in
• 55:27
  the
• 55:28
  middle,
• 55:28
  all
• 55:29
  of
• 55:29
  it
• 55:29
  like.
• 55:29
  And
• 55:30
  so,
• 55:30
  you
• 55:31
  know,
• 55:31
  we
• 55:31
  can
• 55:31
  walk
• 55:31
  and
• 55:31
  chew
• 55:31
  gum
• 55:32
  at
• 55:32
  the
• 55:32
  same
• 55:32
  time,
• 55:32
  I
• 55:33
  think.
• 55:33
  And
• 55:34
  you
• 55:34
  know,
• 55:35
  I
• 55:35
  think
• 55:35
  it's
• 55:35
  kind
• 55:35
  of,
• 55:35
  I
• 55:36
  mean
• 55:36
  where
• 55:36
  we
• 55:36
  are
• 55:36
  now
• 55:36
  is,
• 55:37
  you
• 55:37
  know,
• 55:37
  people
• 55:37
  are,
• 55:37
  some
• 55:38
  people
• 55:38
  are
• 55:38
  scared
• 55:38
  to
• 55:38
  death.
• 55:39
  They
• 55:39
  want
• 55:39
  responsible
• 55:40
  management
• 55:41
  but
• 55:41
  things
• 55:42
  are
• 55:42
  being
• 55:42
  so
• 55:42
  aggressively
• 55:43
  moved
• 55:43
  in
• 55:43
  the
• 55:43
  other
• 55:43
  direction
• 55:44
  that
• 55:44
  they're,
• 55:44
  they're
• 55:44
  becoming
• 55:45
  maybe
• 55:45
  overly
• 55:45
  protective
• 55:46
  and
• 55:47
  not
• 55:47
  as
• 55:47
  thoughtful
• 55:47
  as
• 55:47
  they
• 55:48
  could
• 55:48
  be.
• 55:48
  But
• 55:48
  I
• 55:48
  think
• 55:48
  it's
• 55:48
  a,
• 55:49
  I
• 55:49
  think
• 55:49
  it's
• 55:50
  a
• 55:50
  super
• 55:50
  complicated
• 55:50
  issue.
• 55:51
  I
• 55:51
  mean,
• 55:51
  you
• 55:51
  know,
• 55:52
  I've,
• 55:53
  I
• 55:53
  mean,
• 55:53
  gosh,
• 55:53
  I,
• 55:53
  you
• 55:54
  know,
• 55:54
  rarely,
• 55:55
  you
• 55:55
  know,
• 55:55
  fish
• 55:56
  on
• 55:56
  private
• 55:56
  land,
• 55:57
  right.
• 55:57
  Go
• 55:58
  get
• 55:58
  to
• 55:58
  go
• 55:58
  out
• 55:58
  west,
• 55:58
  right.
• 55:59
  You
• 55:59
  just
• 55:59
  buy
• 55:59
  your
• 55:59
  out
• 55:59
  of
• 55:59
  state
• 55:59
  fishing
• 56:00
  license
• 56:00
  in
• 56:00
  Montana.
• 56:01
  You
• 56:01
  can
• 56:01
  go
• 56:01
  all
• 56:01
  over
• 56:01
  creation.
• 56:03
  It's
• 56:03
  an
• 56:03
  amazing
• 56:04
  thing.
• 56:04
  You
• 56:04
  know,
• 56:04
  as
• 56:05
  we
• 56:05
  kind
• 56:05
  of
• 56:05
  wind
• 56:05
  down,
• 56:05
  I
• 56:05
  know
• 56:06
  you're
• 56:06
  not
• 56:06
  speaking
• 56:06
  because
• 56:06
  you're
• 56:07
  going
• 56:07
  to
• 56:07
  be
• 56:07
  hunting
• 56:07
  for
• 56:07
  the
• 56:08
  next
• 56:08
  three
• 56:08
  or
• 56:08
  four
• 56:08
  weeks.
• 56:09
  No,
• 56:10
  I'm
• 56:10
  not,
• 56:10
  I'm
• 56:10
  not
• 56:10
  hunting.
• 56:11
  Oh,
• 56:11
  I'm
• 56:12
  working
• 56:12
  business.
• 56:12
  It's
• 56:13
  all.
• 56:13
  So
• 56:14
  this
• 56:14
  time
• 56:14
  of
• 56:14
  the
• 56:14
  year
• 56:14
  in
• 56:15
  South
• 56:15
  Africa
• 56:16
  and
• 56:16
  in
• 56:16
  the
• 56:17
  southern
• 56:17
  hemisphere
• 56:18
  are
• 56:18
  all
• 56:19
  the
• 56:19
  annual
• 56:19
  general
• 56:19
  meetings
• 56:20
  of
• 56:20
  all
• 56:20
  the
• 56:20
  professional
• 56:20
  hunting
• 56:21
  associations.
• 56:21
  That's
• 56:22
  why
• 56:22
  every
• 56:22
  year
• 56:22
  I
• 56:22
  miss
• 56:23
  Thanksgiving
• 56:24
  because
• 56:24
  the
• 56:25
  professional
• 56:25
  hunting
• 56:25
  association
• 56:26
  meetings
• 56:26
  of
• 56:27
  South
• 56:27
  Africa,
• 56:27
  Zimbabwe,
• 56:28
  Namibia,
• 56:28
  Zambia,
• 56:29
  all
• 56:29
  happen
• 56:30
  almost
• 56:30
  like
• 56:30
  in
• 56:31
  a
• 56:31
  three
• 56:32
  week
• 56:32
  back
• 56:32
  to
• 56:33
  back.
• 56:34
  So
• 56:35
  yeah,
• 56:35
  I
• 56:35
  wish
• 56:36
  I
• 56:36
  was
• 56:36
  hunting.
• 56:36
  Yeah,
• 56:37
  well,
• 56:37
  so,
• 56:37
  so
• 56:37
  you're
• 56:37
  not
• 56:37
  hunting.
• 56:38
  So
• 56:38
  you
• 56:38
  know,
• 56:38
  obviously
• 56:39
  none
• 56:39
  of
• 56:39
  my
• 56:39
  listeners
• 56:40
  will
• 56:40
  be
• 56:40
  able
• 56:40
  to
• 56:40
  join
• 56:41
  you
• 56:41
  in
• 56:41
  South
• 56:41
  Africa
• 56:42
  for
• 56:43
  any
• 56:43
  of
• 56:43
  those.
• 56:43
  But
• 56:43
  you
• 56:43
  know,
• 56:44
  as
• 56:44
  we
• 56:44
  kind
• 56:44
  of
• 56:44
  look,
• 56:44
  you
• 56:44
  know,
• 56:45
  in
• 56:45
  the
• 56:45
  fly
• 56:45
  fishing
• 56:45
  world,
• 56:46
  you
• 56:46
  know,
• 56:46
  the
• 56:47
  wintertime
• 56:47
  is
• 56:47
  a
• 56:47
  big
• 56:48
  show
• 56:48
  season
• 56:48
  for
• 56:48
  consumer
• 56:49
  and
• 56:49
  B2B
• 56:49
  shows,
• 56:50
  you
• 56:50
  know.
• 56:50
  Or
• 56:51
  do
• 56:51
  you
• 56:51
  have
• 56:51
  any
• 56:51
  speaking
• 56:52
  engagements
• 56:52
  in
• 56:52
  the
• 56:53
  States
• 56:53
  or
• 56:54
  Any
• 56:54
  trade
• 56:54
  shows,
• 56:55
  I
• 56:55
  know
• 56:55
  you
• 56:55
  like
• 56:55
  to
• 56:55
  go
• 56:55
  to
• 56:56
  those
• 56:56
  as
• 56:56
  well.
• 56:57
  Anything
• 56:58
  like
• 56:58
  that,
• 56:58
  you
• 56:58
  want
• 56:58
  to
• 56:58
  alert
• 56:59
  folks
• 56:59
  to
• 56:59
  where
• 56:59
  they
• 56:59
  maybe
• 56:59
  get
• 56:59
  to
• 57:00
  kind
• 57:00
  of
• 57:00
  come
• 57:00
  out
• 57:00
  and
• 57:00
  talk
• 57:01
  to
• 57:01
  you
• 57:01
  about
• 57:01
  this
• 57:01
  stuff
• 57:01
  a
• 57:01
  little
• 57:02
  bit
• 57:02
  more,
• 57:02
  shake
• 57:03
  your
• 57:03
  hand,
• 57:03
  all
• 57:03
  that
• 57:03
  kind
• 57:03
  of
• 57:03
  good
• 57:03
  stuff.
• 57:04
  Yeah,
• 57:05
  we're
• 57:05
  at
• 57:05
  all
• 57:05
  of
• 57:05
  the
• 57:05
  shows,
• 57:06
  like,
• 57:07
  you
• 57:07
  name
• 57:07
  it,
• 57:07
  we're
• 57:07
  at
• 57:08
  it.
• 57:08
  You
• 57:08
  know,
• 57:08
  small
• 57:09
  chapter
• 57:09
  shows
• 57:11
  to
• 57:11
  the
• 57:11
  Wild
• 57:12
  Sheep
• 57:12
  foundation,
• 57:13
  to
• 57:13
  Dallas
• 57:14
  Safari
• 57:14
  Club,
• 57:14
  to
• 57:15
  Safari
• 57:15
  Club
• 57:15
  International,
• 57:16
  to
• 57:16
  NWTF,
• 57:21
  we're
• 57:21
  pretty
• 57:21
  much
• 57:22
  90%
• 57:22
  of
• 57:23
  them.
• 57:23
  So
• 57:24
  you,
• 57:24
  you
• 57:24
  will
• 57:25
  see
• 57:25
  on
• 57:25
  our
• 57:25
  socials
• 57:25
  when
• 57:26
  we're
• 57:26
  moving
• 57:26
  and
• 57:26
  how
• 57:27
  we're
• 57:27
  moving
• 57:27
  around
• 57:27
  this
• 57:28
  world.
• 57:28
  And
• 57:29
  you
• 57:29
  know,
• 57:29
  if
• 57:29
  we're
• 57:29
  in
• 57:29
  your
• 57:30
  area,
• 57:30
  if
• 57:30
  you're
• 57:30
  in
• 57:30
  your
• 57:30
  neck
• 57:31
  of
• 57:31
  the
• 57:31
  woods,
• 57:31
  we'd
• 57:31
  love
• 57:31
  to
• 57:31
  have
• 57:32
  a
• 57:32
  coffee
• 57:32
  with
• 57:32
  you.
• 57:32
  We'd
• 57:32
  love
• 57:33
  to
• 57:33
  shake
• 57:33
  your
• 57:33
  hand.
• 57:35
  I
• 57:35
  just
• 57:35
  had
• 57:35
  this
• 57:35
  experience
• 57:36
  in
• 57:36
  Australia.
• 57:36
  I
• 57:36
  was
• 57:37
  doing
• 57:37
  a
• 57:37
  road
• 57:37
  trip
• 57:37
  through
• 57:37
  Australia
• 57:38
  and
• 57:38
  I
• 57:38
  just
• 57:38
  put
• 57:38
  on
• 57:39
  my
• 57:39
  social,
• 57:39
  like,
• 57:39
  this
• 57:39
  is
• 57:40
  my
• 57:40
  route
• 57:40
  today.
• 57:41
  Anybody
• 57:42
  on
• 57:42
  my
• 57:42
  route
• 57:43
  have
• 57:43
  a
• 57:43
  pie
• 57:43
  or
• 57:43
  a
• 57:44
  coffee
• 57:44
  together.
• 57:44
  And
• 57:44
  I
• 57:44
  had
• 57:45
  multiple
• 57:45
  people
• 57:45
  that
• 57:45
  I
• 57:46
  stopped
• 57:46
  on
• 57:46
  the
• 57:47
  side
• 57:47
  of
• 57:47
  the
• 57:47
  road.
• 57:48
  You
• 57:48
  know,
• 57:48
  we
• 57:48
  just.
• 57:48
  And
• 57:49
  they
• 57:49
  had,
• 57:49
  they
• 57:49
  had
• 57:49
  bought
• 57:49
  the
• 57:50
  coffee
• 57:50
  already
• 57:50
  and
• 57:50
  we
• 57:50
  stopped
• 57:51
  and
• 57:51
  we
• 57:51
  had
• 57:51
  a
• 57:51
  coffee
• 57:51
  together
• 57:52
  and
• 57:53
  chatted
• 57:53
  and
• 57:54
  took
• 57:54
  a
• 57:54
  selfie
• 57:54
  and
• 57:55
  off
• 57:55
  I
• 57:55
  went.
• 57:56
  Yeah.
• 57:57
  It's
• 57:57
  kind
• 57:57
  of
• 57:57
  cool
• 57:57
  too
• 57:58
  when
• 57:58
  that
• 57:58
  happens
• 57:58
  because
• 57:58
  it
• 57:59
  kind
• 57:59
  of
• 57:59
  tells
• 57:59
  you
• 57:59
  that
• 57:59
  all
• 57:59
  that
• 58:00
  hard
• 58:00
  work
• 58:00
  of
• 58:00
  the
• 58:00
  last
• 58:00
  five
• 58:01
  years,
• 58:01
  you're
• 58:01
  not
• 58:01
  crazy,
• 58:02
  right?
• 58:02
  That
• 58:02
  you're
• 58:02
  actually
• 58:02
  reaching
• 58:03
  people.
• 58:03
  Marvin,
• 58:04
  we
• 58:04
  were
• 58:04
  halfway
• 58:05
  around
• 58:05
  the
• 58:05
  world.
• 58:06
  Yeah.
• 58:07
  And
• 58:07
  that
• 58:08
  happened.
• 58:08
  Which
• 58:08
  blew
• 58:09
  my
• 58:09
  mind.
• 58:09
  Yeah.
• 58:10
  Which
• 58:10
  again
• 58:11
  is.
• 58:11
  I
• 58:11
  always
• 58:11
  say,
• 58:11
  folks,
• 58:11
  you
• 58:12
  got
• 58:12
  $1,000
• 58:12
  supercomputer
• 58:13
  in
• 58:13
  your
• 58:13
  pocket.
• 58:14
  Don't
• 58:14
  look
• 58:14
  at
• 58:14
  cat
• 58:14
  memes
• 58:15
  on
• 58:15
  Instagram.
• 58:16
  Go.
• 58:16
  Reach
• 58:16
  out
• 58:16
  and
• 58:17
  connect
• 58:17
  with
• 58:17
  people.
• 58:18
  That's
• 58:19
  right.
• 58:19
  That's
• 58:19
  right.
• 58:20
  Before
• 58:20
  I
• 58:20
  let
• 58:20
  you
• 58:21
  go,
• 58:21
  is
• 58:21
  there
• 58:21
  anything
• 58:21
  else
• 58:21
  you
• 58:21
  want
• 58:21
  to
• 58:22
  share
• 58:22
  with
• 58:22
  our
• 58:22
  listeners?
• 58:23
  No,
• 58:23
  I
• 58:24
  would
• 58:24
  just
• 58:24
  encourage
• 58:25
  everyone.
• 58:25
  If
• 58:25
  you
• 58:25
  are
• 58:25
  in
• 58:26
  the
• 58:26
  hunting
• 58:26
  space
• 58:26
  or
• 58:26
  even
• 58:27
  if
• 58:27
  you're
• 58:27
  in
• 58:27
  the
• 58:27
  fly
• 58:27
  fishing
• 58:28
  space,
• 58:28
  you
• 58:29
  know,
• 58:29
  think
• 58:29
  about
• 58:29
  those
• 58:30
  things
• 58:30
  that
• 58:31
  sort
• 58:31
  of
• 58:32
  made
• 58:32
  you
• 58:32
  become
• 58:33
  a
• 58:33
  fisherman
• 58:33
  or
• 58:34
  love
• 58:34
  fire
• 58:34
  fishing
• 58:35
  or
• 58:35
  love
• 58:35
  hunting
• 58:36
  and,
• 58:37
  you
• 58:37
  know,
• 58:37
  talk
• 58:37
  about
• 58:37
  them.
• 58:38
  Talk
• 58:38
  about
• 58:38
  them
• 58:38
  on
• 58:39
  your
• 58:39
  social
• 58:39
  media,
• 58:39
  on
• 58:39
  the
• 58:40
  digital
• 58:40
  media.
• 58:41
  Learn
• 58:41
  about
• 58:41
  them.
• 58:42
  Learn
• 58:42
  about
• 58:42
  your
• 58:42
  why.
• 58:43
  Learn
• 58:43
  about
• 58:43
  the
• 58:44
  upliftment
• 58:45
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• 58:45
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• 58:45
  as
• 58:45
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• 58:45
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• 58:46
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• 58:46
  the
• 58:46
  activities
• 58:46
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• 58:47
  you
• 58:47
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• 58:47
  to
• 58:47
  do.
• 58:47
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• 58:48
  you
• 58:48
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• 58:48
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• 58:48
  when
• 58:48
  you're
• 58:49
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• 58:49
  to
• 58:49
  be
• 58:49
  in
• 58:49
  a
• 58:49
  situation
• 58:49
  where
• 58:50
  you
• 58:50
  have
• 58:50
  to
• 58:50
  defend.
• 58:52
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• 58:52
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• 58:52
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• 58:52
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• 58:52
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• 58:53
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• 58:53
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• 58:53
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• 58:53
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• 58:54
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• 58:54
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• 58:56
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• 58:56
  on
• 58:56
  social
• 58:57
  media.
• 58:58
  And
• 58:59
  if
• 58:59
  you've
• 58:59
  educated
• 59:00
  yourself
• 59:00
  enough
• 59:00
  and
• 59:01
  you've
• 59:01
  watched
• 59:01
  videos,
• 59:02
  if
• 59:02
  you
• 59:02
  Listen
• 59:03
  to
• 59:03
  people,
• 59:04
  you'll
• 59:05
  be
• 59:05
  confident
• 59:05
  enough
• 59:08
  to
• 59:08
  make
• 59:08
  your
• 59:08
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• 59:10
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• 59:10
  know
• 59:11
  understand
• 59:11
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• 59:12
  you're
• 59:12
  making
• 59:12
  your
• 59:12
  point.
• 59:14
  And
• 59:14
  I
• 59:15
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• 59:15
  that'll
• 59:15
  go
• 59:15
  a
• 59:15
  long
• 59:16
  way
• 59:17
  in
• 59:17
  our
• 59:17
  community.
• 59:17
  I'm
• 59:18
  seeing
• 59:18
  it
• 59:18
  happen
• 59:18
  every
• 59:18
  single
• 59:19
  day.
• 59:20
  So
• 59:20
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• 59:20
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• 59:21
  I
• 59:21
  would
• 59:21
  challenge
• 59:22
  people
• 59:22
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• 59:22
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• 59:22
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• 59:22
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• 59:23
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• 59:23
  you
• 59:23
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• 59:23
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• 59:23
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• 59:23
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• 59:24
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• 59:24
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• 59:24
  I
• 59:24
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• 59:24
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• 59:25
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• 59:25
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• 59:25
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• 59:25
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• 59:26
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• 59:26
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• 59:26
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• 59:27
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• 59:27
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• 59:28
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• 59:28
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• 59:28
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• 59:28
  find.
• 59:29
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• 59:29
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• 59:29
  find
• 59:30
  us
• 59:30
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• 59:30
  all
• 59:30
  the
• 59:30
  social
• 59:31
  media
• 59:31
  platforms.
• 59:31
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• 59:31
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• 59:32
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• 59:32
  message
• 59:32
  us
• 59:32
  on
• 59:33
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• 59:33
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• 59:33
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• 59:33
  media
• 59:33
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• 59:34
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• 59:35
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• 59:35
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• 59:35
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• 59:35
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• 59:35
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• 59:36
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• 59:36
  talking
• 59:36
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• 59:36
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• 59:36
  me.
• 59:38
  So
• 59:38
  it's,
• 59:38
  it's,
• 59:39
  I
• 59:39
  like
• 59:40
  that
• 59:40
  personal
• 59:40
  interaction.
• 59:41
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• 59:41
  not
• 59:41
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• 59:41
  to
• 59:41
  give
• 59:41
  up
• 59:42
  that
• 59:42
  personal
• 59:42
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• 59:45
  So
• 59:45
  yeah,
• 59:45
  reach
• 59:45
  out.
• 59:46
  Very
• 59:47
  neat.
• 59:47
  And
• 59:47
  so
• 59:47
  if
• 59:47
  folks
• 59:47
  want
• 59:48
  to
• 59:48
  learn
• 59:48
  more
• 59:49
  about
• 59:49
  the
• 59:49
  Origins
• 59:49
  foundation,
• 59:50
  support
• 59:51
  your
• 59:51
  work
• 59:51
  and
• 59:52
  kind
• 59:52
  of
• 59:52
  follow
• 59:52
  your
• 59:52
  adventures
• 59:53
  in
• 59:53
  the
• 59:53
  field,
• 59:53
  where
• 59:53
  should
• 59:54
  they
• 59:54
  go?
• 59:55
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• 59:55
  type
• 59:55
  in
• 59:55
  the
• 59:56
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• 59:56
  foundation
• 59:57
  into
• 59:57
  every
• 59:58
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• 59:58
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• 59:58
  come
• 59:59
  up
• 59:59
  Google,
• 1:00:00
  Twitter,
• 1:00:01
  Facebook,
• 1:00:02
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• 1:00:04
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• 1:00:04
  it,
• 1:00:04
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• 1:00:05
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• 1:00:05
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• 1:00:06
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• 1:00:06
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• 1:00:06
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• 1:00:06
  drop
• 1:00:07
  all
• 1:00:07
  that
• 1:00:07
  stuff
• 1:00:07
  in
• 1:00:07
  the
• 1:00:07
  show
• 1:00:08
  notes
• 1:00:08
  folks,
• 1:00:08
  so
• 1:00:08
  it'll
• 1:00:08
  be
• 1:00:08
  a
• 1:00:08
  whole
• 1:00:09
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• 1:00:09
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• 1:00:09
  for
• 1:00:09
  you
• 1:00:10
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• 1:00:10
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• 1:00:10
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• 1:00:10
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• 1:00:12
  Well,
• 1:00:12
  I
• 1:00:12
  appreciate
• 1:00:13
  that,
• 1:00:13
  Marvin,
• 1:00:13
  really
• 1:00:13
  do.
• 1:00:14
  Yeah.
• 1:00:14
  Well,
• 1:00:14
  I
• 1:00:14
  appreciate
• 1:00:15
  you
• 1:00:15
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• 1:00:15
  some
• 1:00:15
  time
• 1:00:15
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• 1:00:16
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• 1:00:16
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• 1:00:16
  you
• 1:00:16
  know,
• 1:00:17
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• 1:00:17
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• 1:00:17
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• 1:00:18
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• 1:00:19
  expedition
• 1:00:19
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• 1:00:19
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• 1:00:20
  Africa.
• 1:00:21
  Yeah,
• 1:00:21
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• 1:00:21
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• 1:00:21
  of
• 1:00:21
  those
• 1:00:21
  procrastinators.
• 1:00:22
  My
• 1:00:22
  wife
• 1:00:23
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• 1:00:23
  to
• 1:00:23
  me
• 1:00:23
  this
• 1:00:23
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• 1:00:23
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• 1:00:24
  had
• 1:00:24
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• 1:00:24
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• 1:00:24
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• 1:00:25
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• 1:00:25
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• 1:00:25
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• 1:00:25
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• 1:00:25
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• 1:00:26
  That's
• 1:00:27
  because
• 1:00:27
  you're
• 1:00:27
  a
• 1:00:27
  seasoned
• 1:00:27
  traveler.
• 1:00:28
  Three
• 1:00:29
  and
• 1:00:29
  a
• 1:00:29
  half
• 1:00:29
  weeks
• 1:00:29
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• 1:00:29
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• 1:00:30
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• 1:00:31
  is
• 1:00:31
  going
• 1:00:31
  to
• 1:00:31
  happen
• 1:00:31
  the
• 1:00:31
  next
• 1:00:31
  two
• 1:00:32
  hours.
• 1:00:33
  Well,
• 1:00:33
  thank
• 1:00:34
  you
• 1:00:34
  so
• 1:00:34
  much
• 1:00:34
  for
• 1:00:34
  making
• 1:00:34
  the
• 1:00:34
  time.
• 1:00:35
  Safe
• 1:00:35
  travels.
• 1:00:36
  Appreciate
• 1:00:36
  you,
• 1:00:37
  Marvin.
• 1:00:37
  Thank
• 1:00:37
  you.
• 1:00:38
  Well
• 1:00:39
  folks,
• 1:00:39
  we
• 1:00:39
  hope
• 1:00:39
  you
• 1:00:39
  enjoyed
• 1:00:40
  the
• 1:00:40
  interview
• 1:00:40
  as
• 1:00:41
  much
• 1:00:41
  as
• 1:00:41
  we
• 1:00:41
  enjoyed
• 1:00:41
  bringing
• 1:00:42
  it
• 1:00:42
  to
• 1:00:42
  you.
• 1:00:42
  Remember,
• 1:00:43
  links
• 1:00:43
  to
• 1:00:43
  all
• 1:00:43
  this
• 1:00:43
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• 1:00:44
  sponsors
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  are
• 1:00:45
  in
• 1:00:45
  the
• 1:00:45
  show
• 1:00:45
  notes.
• 1:00:46
  Check
• 1:00:46
  them
• 1:00:46
  out.
• 1:00:47
  Tight
• 1:00:47
  lines,
• 1:00:47
  everybody.