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Continuing the Verbal Fistfight, Part 2 - Pastor Chuck Swindoll Insight for Living · INSIGHT FOR LIVING: Biblical Wisdom For Everyday Living

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  Speaker 1: Today on Insight for Living Chucks, wen Dahl continues our
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  Speaker 1: study of Job, picking up in the middle of a
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  Speaker 1: brutal confrontation between Job and his so called friend, Bill Dad.
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  Speaker 1: Bill Dad pulled no punches. He bluntly accused Job of
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  Speaker 1: forgetting God, comparing him to a withering plant and implying
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  Speaker 1: that his suffering was pure punishment. In response, Job fired back,
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  Speaker 1: and in his response he voiced one of the most
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  Speaker 1: profound longings in all of Scripture. It was a cry
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  Speaker 1: for someone to stand between him and God and argue
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  Speaker 1: his case. Let's pick up the study now in Job
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  Speaker 1: chapter eight.
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  Speaker 2: Bill Dad, after calling him a hipty wind bag, turns
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  Speaker 2: to the Lord God and gives a lesson in theology.
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  Speaker 2: God has uprooted you, Job, something has happened to your
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  Speaker 2: root system that has led to this deathlike condition in
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  Speaker 2: which you find yourself. And then he closes it off
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  Speaker 2: with verse twenty through twenty two. God will not reject
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  Speaker 2: a man of integrity. What's the implication you're not? Nor
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  Speaker 2: will he support the evil doers. By now you're getting it,
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  Speaker 2: You've already seen where I'm going. He will yet fill
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  Speaker 2: your mouth with laughter, your lips with shouting. Those who
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  Speaker 2: hate you will be clothed with shame. The tent of
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  Speaker 2: the wicked will be no more. You'll know a day
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  Speaker 2: when you'll pass off this earth, and all of life
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  Speaker 2: will be wonderfully restored for you. You'll know joy. He
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  Speaker 2: missed it by a mile. He certainly didn't get the
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  Speaker 2: point of what job needed. Eliphaz ventured a word, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, Bill, Dad was downright blunt. He opens
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  Speaker 2: with a blast. I just want to add here no
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  Speaker 2: extra charge. Think before you write a letter of criticism.
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  Speaker 2: Think if you need to do that, then say them,
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  Speaker 2: say them face to face, and say them kindly. Before
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  Speaker 2: you do that, put yourself in the shoes of the
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  Speaker 2: other person for a considerable period of time. Chances are
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  Speaker 2: good you'll never say a word, or if you do,
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  Speaker 2: you'll say them with greater tact. And I'm telling you
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  Speaker 2: things that I've had to learn the hard way. I've
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  Speaker 2: rarely felt sorry for things I did not say. I've
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  Speaker 2: often felt sorry for things I said, and almost without exception,
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  Speaker 2: felt badly that I wrote them. And I have no
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  Speaker 2: one in mind. If I did, i'd call your name,
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  Speaker 2: But I don't because the wonderful thing about Stonebrier Community Church,
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  Speaker 2: is that we don't have a lot of people at
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  Speaker 2: grouse about petty things. Thank the Lord. Many a pastor
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  Speaker 2: I know right now lives under the gun of some
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  Speaker 2: blast from some building ad in his life who just
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  Speaker 2: has taken him on as he's in the crosshairs of
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  Speaker 2: his sight. I just read one yesterday in a letter
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  Speaker 2: from a brother who particular officer in the church is
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  Speaker 2: just making his life miserable. Now, why do we do that?
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  Speaker 2: Job answers, and his words are shaped hopefully to fit
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  Speaker 2: Bill Dad's brain, assuming there is one sizeable enough to
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  Speaker 2: get it. Job answered, you idiot, No, no, no, he says, no,
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  Speaker 2: he says, He says, Actually, Bill Dad, I know all
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  Speaker 2: of this that you have told me, and that's not pride,
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  Speaker 2: it's a fact, Bill Dad, Bill Dad, listen, I know
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  Speaker 2: those things build Dad. I've walked with God my adult life.
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  Speaker 2: In truth, I know so much of what you're telling me.
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  Speaker 2: But my question is, how can a man be in
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  Speaker 2: the right before God? Tell me that scratch the itch,
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  Speaker 2: build it. You're missing the need a mile. How how
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  Speaker 2: can I be declared right before God? Oh? You know,
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  Speaker 2: I so want Job to scoot ahead by the centuries
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  Speaker 2: and meet the Savior. The only way you and I
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  Speaker 2: can know what it is to be right before God
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  Speaker 2: is to be in the Lord Jesus Christ, and in
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  Speaker 2: the person of His son. We are as righteous as
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  Speaker 2: he job longs to know that kind of peace. You
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  Speaker 2: see how he views God. Look at his response. He says,
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  Speaker 2: in effect, none of what you've told me helps my case.
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  Speaker 2: God is is huge. If one wished to dispute with him,
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  Speaker 2: he could not answer him once in a thousand times.
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  Speaker 2: Still speaking of the Lord God, wise in heart and
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  Speaker 2: mighty in strength, who has defied him without harm, see
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  Speaker 2: the fear that there is in him. It is God
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  Speaker 2: who removes the mountains. They know not how when he
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  Speaker 2: overturns them in his anger. Who shakes the earth out
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  Speaker 2: of its place, and its pillars tremble, referring to clearly
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  Speaker 2: an earthquake or a volcano. Who commands the sun not
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  Speaker 2: to shine and sets a seal on the stars, Who
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  Speaker 2: alone stretches out the heavens and tramples down the waves
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  Speaker 2: of the sea. Who makes the bear Ryan and pleiades
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  Speaker 2: the chambers of the South. He goes to the stellar spaces,
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  Speaker 2: and he alone does that, Who does great things, unfathomable,
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  Speaker 2: wondrous works without number. Yes, I know a great God.
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  Speaker 2: Is what I need is an audience with him. Look
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  Speaker 2: at him. He is the one who does all of
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  Speaker 2: this about us, and he is enormous, and I fear him.
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  Speaker 2: I stand before him in awe and wonder. All I
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  Speaker 2: want is to be able to approach him and talk
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  Speaker 2: this out. And you haven't helped me do that, Bill Dad.
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  Speaker 2: Now with that, there are four lines of questions that follow,
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  Speaker 2: And keep in mind Job hasn't. In the back of
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  Speaker 2: his mind, we're going to see a court room. He
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  Speaker 2: would love to be able, if you will, to step
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  Speaker 2: into a divine courtroom and to speak to the judge,
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  Speaker 2: the Lord God. He would love to walk just as
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  Speaker 2: he is, covered with these sores and the sadness of
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  Speaker 2: his life and the bankruptcy of his condition, and just
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  Speaker 2: stand before the judge and argue his case, not to
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  Speaker 2: be impudent, but to be on a level where they
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  Speaker 2: could talk this through. He knows that his God would
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  Speaker 2: have answers for him. So these four lines of questions
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  Speaker 2: are number one. If I could stand before God, what
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  Speaker 2: would I say? Verses fourteen to nineteen. See verse fourteen
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  Speaker 2: How then can I answer him and choose my words
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  Speaker 2: before him? If I could stand before God, what would
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  Speaker 2: I say? Though I were right, I could not answer.
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  Speaker 2: I would have to implore the mercy of my judge.
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  Speaker 2: If I called and he answered me, I could not
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  Speaker 2: believe that he was listening to my voice. For he
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  Speaker 2: bruises me with a tempest and multiplies my wounds without cause.
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  Speaker 2: He will not allow me to get my breath, but
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  Speaker 2: saturates me with bitterness. It is a matter of power. Behold,
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  Speaker 2: he is the strong one. If it is a matter
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  Speaker 2: of power, he wins. So if I could stand before him,
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  Speaker 2: what would I say? Here's the second question. If I
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  Speaker 2: could declare my own innocence, what good would it do?
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  Speaker 2: That's twenty three twenty four. If I could declare my innocence,
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  Speaker 2: what good would it do? Though I am righteous? Verse
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  Speaker 2: twenty my mouth will condemn me, though I am guiltless,
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  Speaker 2: he will declare me guilty. I am guiltless. I do
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  Speaker 2: not take notice of myself. I despise my life. It
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  Speaker 2: is all one. Therefore, I say, he destroys the guiltless
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  Speaker 2: and the wicked. If the scourge kills suddenly, he mocks
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  Speaker 2: the despair of the innocent. The earth is given into
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  Speaker 2: the hand of the wicked. He covers the faces of
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  Speaker 2: its judges. Remember this is Hebrew poetry. Leave some of it,
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  Speaker 2: let it settle. It would be valuable to turn it
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  Speaker 2: over in our minds for another hour, to plumb the
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  Speaker 2: depths of such writings as this. But the point is,
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  Speaker 2: if I could declare my own innocence, what good would
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  Speaker 2: it do? And then twenty five through thirty one, if
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  Speaker 2: I tried to be positive and cheerful, how would that help?
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  Speaker 2: Twenty five to thirty one. If I tried to be
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  Speaker 2: positive and cheerful, how would that help? Look down in
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  Speaker 2: verse twenty seven, though I say I will forget my complaint,
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  Speaker 2: I will leave all my sad countenance and be cheerful.
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  Speaker 2: I'm afraid of all my pains. I know that you
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  Speaker 2: will not acquit me. I am accounted wicked. Why then
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  Speaker 2: should I toil in vain? It won't work? And now
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  Speaker 2: the real question, the underlying question. If I only had
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  Speaker 2: a mediator, I could have my needs represented. I could
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  Speaker 2: have the truth told thirty two to thirty five. Now
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  Speaker 2: look closely, you'll love this, For he referring to God,
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  Speaker 2: he is not a man as I am, that I
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  Speaker 2: may answer him, that we may go to court together.
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  Speaker 2: There is no umpire between us, who may lay his
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  Speaker 2: hand upon us both. The point is, if I had
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  Speaker 2: a mediator, I could find a go between so that
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  Speaker 2: I could communicate with this mighty and wise and holy God.
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  Speaker 2: But there is note see the word umpire. He's calling
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  Speaker 2: for a mediator, one who could argue his case. Job
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  Speaker 2: wished to present his case in God's court, but he
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  Speaker 2: can't find a mediator. Hold your place and look at
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  Speaker 2: thirteen three, Job, thirteen three. I would speak to the Almighty,
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  Speaker 2: and I desire to argue with God. That means to
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  Speaker 2: bring his case before him and plead it. Look at
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  Speaker 2: verse fifteen of that same chapter, thirteen fifteen. Though he
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  Speaker 2: slay me, I will hope in him. Nevertheless, I will
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  Speaker 2: argue my ways before him verse eighteen. Behold, now I
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  Speaker 2: have prepared my case. I know that I will be vindicated.
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  Speaker 2: I've thought through what my case would be, and I
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  Speaker 2: would love to come and stand before this holy judge,
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  Speaker 2: this God of mine. But I can't do it because
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  Speaker 2: he's not a man to come to me. And I
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  Speaker 2: am not. I missed this earlier. The end of verse
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  Speaker 2: thirty five, chapter nine. I am not like that in myself.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have what it takes to come before him.
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  Speaker 2: I need to go between. I need an arbitrator. I
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  Speaker 2: need a mediator. Years ago, when I worked as a machinist,
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  Speaker 2: working my way through school, there was there was the
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  Speaker 2: threat of a strike, and the union still on one
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  Speaker 2: side with the laborers, and management stood on the other side,
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  Speaker 2: and there was a great gap in between. Interestingly, an
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  Speaker 2: arbitrator was hired to come in. He had nothing to
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  Speaker 2: gain in the eyes of the union, he had nothing
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  Speaker 2: to gain in the eyes of the management. He was
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  Speaker 2: supposedly completely neutral, and he came and worked long and
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  Speaker 2: hard to hear both sides as both presented their causes,
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  Speaker 2: and then he passed a decision, and the paper had
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  Speaker 2: been signed that if the arbitrator could bring the two together,
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  Speaker 2: the issue would be solved and there would be no strike.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, he did, and there was no strike. But
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  Speaker 2: it was interesting to watch the process occur because this
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  Speaker 2: man became the representative of both sides, and yet not
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  Speaker 2: gaining from the argument or losing because of the argument,
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  Speaker 2: he was able to judge in the midst of the
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  Speaker 2: argument the best decision, and it was fair, and it
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  Speaker 2: was right, and it solved. He put his hand on
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  Speaker 2: one knee, put his hand on the other as it was,
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  Speaker 2: as it were, and he stood between the two and
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  Speaker 2: he solved the issue. That's what Job wants. But he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have one. He doesn't qualify to stand before God.
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  Speaker 2: He isn't God, or he isn't Deity, and God is
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  Speaker 2: not a man that he can come stand before him.
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  Speaker 2: So he's stuck. You see why I said, would that
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  Speaker 2: Job had lived a few centuries later, Let me show
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  Speaker 2: you why. Look at First Timothy two. Uh, there is
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  Speaker 2: a new Testament, First Timothy two, First Timothy two, verse three.
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  Speaker 2: Paul writes to his younger Timothy, explaining, here the go
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  Speaker 2: between the mediator one Timothy two to three, not Second Timothy.
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  Speaker 2: It's First Timothy two three. This is good and acceptable
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  Speaker 2: in the sight of God, our Savior, who desires all
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  Speaker 2: men to be saved and to come to the knowledge
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  Speaker 2: of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator,
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  Speaker 2: one go between one arbitrator, one empire. There is one God.
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  Speaker 2: Don't forget that in this in this era of many gods,
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  Speaker 2: don't you tell one another that all the gods are
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  Speaker 2: the same. Don't you believe that lie. There is one God,
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  Speaker 2: the Creator God. It is not Allah. It is the
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  Speaker 2: living God of the scriptures. There is one God, and
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  Speaker 2: there is one mediator between this God of the heavens,
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  Speaker 2: who has made us and all things pertain to us
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  Speaker 2: and humanity on this earth, and he is identified. There
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  Speaker 2: is one mediator, the man Christ Jesus. There are not many.
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  Speaker 2: The way is narrow. Don't believe the lie. Don't be
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  Speaker 2: afraid to be that specific. I hear people struggle with specificity.
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  Speaker 2: When I hear people struggle with that, I think, do
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  Speaker 2: you want people to be specific about the flights you take?
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  Speaker 2: You ever call up and they'll say, well, it's flight
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  Speaker 2: four thirteen, or it actually might be ten ninety six,
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  Speaker 2: or really it could be three or nine. You say, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: I want to know which flight is it? Well? And
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  Speaker 2: also it takes all from DFW actually could be love
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  Speaker 2: Field and flight departs at twelve fourteen thereabouts, maybe one
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  Speaker 2: ten or two thirty. You go, wait a minute, get specific.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that amazing something as simple as a flight. We
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  Speaker 2: want exact numbers and times and gates. You don't want
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  Speaker 2: to walk all over the airport and going, oh, let's see,
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  Speaker 2: I'm open minded. I'll take I'll take whatever flies, just
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  Speaker 2: just so the pilot is sincere and the and it
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  Speaker 2: looks good, it seems right. It just it's just like
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  Speaker 2: I need to feel it deeply when I get on
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  Speaker 2: the plane. What a croc h There is one God.
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  Speaker 2: There is one mediator between God and men, and it
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  Speaker 2: is the man Christ Jesus. That is truth men and
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  Speaker 2: women in in a in a pluralistic world, you will
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  Speaker 2: not hear that. And by saying that, you will be
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  Speaker 2: called intolerant, which is one of the great compliments you
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  Speaker 2: will ever hear from from the liberal, to be called narrow.
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  Speaker 2: Jesus said it, I am the Way, the truth, the life.
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  Speaker 2: No man comes to the Father but through me, not us,
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  Speaker 2: not several one God, one mediator, the man Christ Jesus,
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  Speaker 2: who gave himself as a ransom for all the testimony
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  Speaker 2: given at the proper time. Oh, Joe, there is a mediator.
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  Speaker 2: You just haven't met him. But someday, someday, Joe, you'll
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  Speaker 2: hear of this job. Therefore, back to job nine. Don't
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  Speaker 2: you hate to go back? I just want to stay
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  Speaker 2: in Timothy because it's so, it's so helpful there. Campbell
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  Speaker 2: Morgan writes, the cry of Job was born of a
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  Speaker 2: double consciousness which at the moment was mastering him, first
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  Speaker 2: that of the appalling greatness and majesty of God, and
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  Speaker 2: secondly that of his own comparesaive littleness. It was the
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  Speaker 2: cry of a man who knew God and was overwhelmed
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  Speaker 2: by the sense of his greatness. Over Against this was
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  Speaker 2: the sense of his own comparative smallness. Track this is
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  Speaker 2: great writing. He felt he could not get to God.
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  Speaker 2: He was altogether too small. It is as though Job
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  Speaker 2: had said, there is no umpire, there is no arbiter.
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  Speaker 2: There is no one who can stand between us interpreting
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  Speaker 2: each to the other, Me to God, God to me.
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  Speaker 2: There is no one to lay his hand upon us.
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  Speaker 2: Job was crying out for someone who could stand authoritatively
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  Speaker 2: between God and himself and so create a way of meeting,
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  Speaker 2: a possibility of contact. We now turn from the elemental
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  Speaker 2: cry of Job from the Old Testament to consider the
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  Speaker 2: Apostolic word concerning Jesus. There is one mediator between God
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  Speaker 2: and man. That is the Gospel in brief, that is Christianity,
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  Speaker 2: fundamentally by faith alone, in Christ alone, and there is
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  Speaker 2: no other There is no other way, Job says, because
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't have that umpire Verse one of chapter ten.
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  Speaker 2: I loathe my own life. It's like he would you ah,
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  Speaker 2: He just gasps. I loathe the fact that I haven't
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  Speaker 2: a way to stand before the judge on that great
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  Speaker 2: divine throne. So I plead verse two, do not condemn me.
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  Speaker 2: Let me know why you contend with me. Is it
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  Speaker 2: right for you indeed to oppress me? He has every
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  Speaker 2: right to ask that. He's confused. He doesn't get it.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't have a mediator to say, Job, let me
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  Speaker 2: explain what's happening to you and to the living God
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  Speaker 2: to represent your case. That's why I'm here. I love
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  Speaker 2: toward the end of this chapter, and I need to
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  Speaker 2: race through this Verse eighteen. Why then have you brought
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  Speaker 2: me out of the womb? He's back to that same
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  Speaker 2: old song he was in in chapter three? Why did
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  Speaker 2: you let me be born alive? Would that I had
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  Speaker 2: died and know I had seen me? Would that I
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  Speaker 2: died in the womb, and never having been seen I
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  Speaker 2: should have been as though I had not been carried
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  Speaker 2: from womb to tomb. Why isn't that a great way
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  Speaker 2: to put it? You know, that was in the Bible.
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  Speaker 2: When I first read that several years ago, I thought,
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  Speaker 2: what a perfect slogan for a church and its ministry,
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  Speaker 2: from womb to tomb. We minister from womb to tombo. Boy.
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  Speaker 2: Then I looked at the context and I thought, I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to do that. That's not a It's like
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  Speaker 2: you're sometimes see in a graveyard etched on tombstones, a
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  Speaker 2: little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the
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  Speaker 2: hands to rest, and it'll say Proverbs, or it'll it'll
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  Speaker 2: say sleep well, darling or whatever on the stone. And
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate that. But when you check out Proverbs six',
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  Speaker 2: ten you realize that is addressing the, slugger the lazy,
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  Speaker 2: slobs sleeping, late refusing to wake up to get. Involved
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  Speaker 2: and it says at the end of that same, section
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  Speaker 2: your poverty will come like a. Vagabond, yikes take that
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  Speaker 2: off the, stone you know you don't want. To don't
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  Speaker 2: put that on your, STONE a little, sleep a little.
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  Speaker 2: Slumber when you look at a whole, context it makes better,
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  Speaker 2: sense doesn't. It why didn't he just take me from
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  Speaker 2: the womb right to the, Tomb Oh, job and have
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  Speaker 2: your testimony missed by so many of us who need
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  Speaker 2: to read it and learn from. You. Job Though god stays,
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  Speaker 2: Silent remember there's no word From god in. Here bless his.
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  Speaker 2: Heart let me give you a couple lessons that, linger
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  Speaker 2: and Then i'm. Through when misery breaks our, spirit philosophical
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  Speaker 2: words don't help us. Cope when misery breaks our, spirit
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  Speaker 2: philosophical words don't help us. Cope and that's all those
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  Speaker 2: boy who came To jesus just AS i, was and
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  Speaker 2: told The Lord, GOD i believe in, you AND i trust,
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  Speaker 2: you AND i Believe jesus died for, me AND i
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  Speaker 2: believe he's. LIVING i believe he was from the dead for.
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  Speaker 2: Me and you, know at that, moment my mediator represented
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  Speaker 2: me before the Living. God how wonderful he will do
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  Speaker 2: have an. Umpire great, Thought let's bow. Together if you've
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  Speaker 2: the way for, you this is the perfect time to do.
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  Speaker 2: It One, god one mediator Between god and, man the
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  Speaker 2: Man Christ. Jesus this is the call for you to
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  Speaker 2: turn To christ. Alone thank, You father for the hope
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  Speaker 2: that there is in The Lord jesus and in him.
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  Speaker 2: Alone thank you for the reminder that we have what
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  Speaker 2: arbitrator we have the precious treasure of The, savior and
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  Speaker 2: it's in him we find our reason for continuing though
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  Speaker 2: our current world temporarily falls. Apart thank you for the
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  Speaker 2: rock the stability that he is for, us and we
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  Speaker 2: find our hope only in. Him may those who've never
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  Speaker 1: AMEN a beautiful reminder From Chucks. Wendall joe belonged for a,
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  Speaker 1: Case and today you AND i have exactly. That in
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  Speaker 1: our darkest moment when words, Fail Jesus christ stands on our.
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