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The Muster Full Show: 08/10/26 · The Muster on Hokonui

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon and welcome to the Master on Hakanui. I'm
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Speaker 1: Andy Mueller. The show is brought to you by Petersonetics.
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Speaker 1: Welcome along. to an overcast sky here in Gore, a
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Speaker 1: bit of an easterly breeze around as well, and currently
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Speaker 1: we're sitting on 14 degrees. We'll look at the weather
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Speaker 1: very shortly, but we're going to rip straight into it.
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Speaker 1: As per normal, a busy old show on the horizon,
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Speaker 1: and we're starting off with Gin Weekmore for the tunes.
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Speaker 1: Good Kiwi tunes as well. God, oh, help me, please.
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Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon, it is going to be cloudy with breezy
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Speaker 1: easterlies in 17. Tomorrow, Friday, sunshine with light easterlies yet again,
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Speaker 1: 7 and 20. Saturday, sunny with light nor'easterlies, 8 and 21,
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Speaker 1: and getting warm on Sunday. Sunshine with light nor'westers, 8
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Speaker 1: and 22. Giddy heights indeed. And Monday, partly cloudy with
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Speaker 1: light northerlies, 8 and 22. So not too bad over
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Speaker 1: the next few days. A bit of a breezy, a
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Speaker 1: cooler breeze, but nonetheless. Soil temperatures to Hank, Linton 9.6,
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Speaker 1: Heriot 10.3, Northern Southland 11.8, Riverton 12, Te Anau 10.7,
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Speaker 1: Titaroa 12, Winton 11.1 and Woodlands at 10.6. We're away
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Speaker 1: to the Riviera of the South, which is Riverton, to
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Speaker 1: catch up with Geordie Yeat to get us underway. They
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Speaker 1: get some pretty spectacular rainfall numbers over in Geordie's neck
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Speaker 1: of the woods. And we're just going to catch up
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Speaker 1: to see how September in the Lakes has treated them
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Speaker 1: over there. Hilary Copeland of Batterman Crookshank Pride the Lawyers
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Speaker 1: joins us as well. Don Moore. Farms Dairy Farming at Kennington,
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Speaker 1: part of the Fonterra Shareholders Council. Haven't spoken to Don
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Speaker 1: for a month or so, so we'll see how things
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Speaker 1: have been in the carving pen. Lawrence Field in the
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Speaker 1: Beef and Lamb slot, talking farm accounting ahead of a
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Speaker 1: seminar that's coming up next week with the team at
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Speaker 1: Beef and Lamb. And our resident sporting guru is Nathan Burden.
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Speaker 1: The All Blacks team has been announced. No Ethan Blackhead are.
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Speaker 2: In the end.
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Speaker 1: Fabian Holland as well, by the looks of it. Dave
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Speaker 1: Morrison of PGG writes in, gives us a rundown of
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Speaker 1: a stock sale from Charlton that occurred this morning. Then
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Speaker 1: we'll crank into it with Geordie Yead. You're listening to
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Speaker 1: The Muster. It's brought to you by Peters Genetics. Six
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Speaker 1: after one. Riverton is a Riviera of the South, and
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Speaker 1: it is our first port of call this afternoon on
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Speaker 1: the muster where we catch up with Geordie Yead, sheep,
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Speaker 1: beef and dairy farmer, all part of his operation over there.
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Speaker 1: Good afternoon, Geordie. How would you describe the last six
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Speaker 1: to eight weeks?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, g'day, Andy. Yeah, no, it's certainly a challenge, but
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Speaker 3: we choose to live in Southland, so we've sort of
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Speaker 3: got to take the good or the bad. But, yeah,
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Speaker 3: that was really pretty stretching everything, really. 500 mils since
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Speaker 3: the beginning of August. It was a challenge.
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Speaker 1: So where does that put your rainfall? Because you're normally
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Speaker 1: about 1,300, 1,400 mil as it is though, aren't you?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're up to about 1,300 for the year already now,
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Speaker 3: particularly when you have half a metre in two months.
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Speaker 3: So we're running probably above average, which is quite good.
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Speaker 3: I would have said on the law of averages for
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Speaker 3: Southland that we should probably be a wee bit drier
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Speaker 3: from now on. But yeah, we'll keep their fingers crossed
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Speaker 3: and go from there. I mean, the last We're up
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Speaker 3: to about 20 mils for October, so that's good to
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Speaker 3: be day eight and only 20 mils in. I'll take that.
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Speaker 1: Well, anything's better than half a metre of rain over
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Speaker 1: eight weeks. I'll give you that tip for free.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, 100%.
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Speaker 3: I've never seen the farm so wet. I think everything
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Speaker 3: was just at capacity. You think when it couldn't get
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Speaker 3: any worse, it got worse because there'd be another 20
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Speaker 3: mils come the next day and then another 20 mils. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: I think new condition and I wasn't that happy with
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Speaker 3: the grass cover I had at the start of September,
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Speaker 3: so I put some nitrogen on. And, yeah, 100%, that
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Speaker 3: certainly made things a lot easier. You condition in grass,
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Speaker 3: you know, you can't really... Just strings you've got to pull, really.
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Speaker 1: The animals would have taken and checked though with all
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Speaker 1: that wet weather or it's just part and parcel of
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Speaker 1: the course?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is part and parcel. You know, like you're
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Speaker 3: going around picking up lambs there. They've stopped the past
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Speaker 3: week now, but lambs are just sort of two weeks
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Speaker 3: old and, you know, just really got that whole thrift
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Speaker 3: look to them and, you know, they've just dropped off, but...
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Speaker 3: You know, yeah, that's just what happens. I don't blame them.
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Speaker 3: It was pretty tough out there, but, you know, we've turned,
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Speaker 3: we're up, we're down the hill now.
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Speaker 1: As far as ground conditions, were you able to get
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Speaker 1: around the lambing beat okay?
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Speaker 3: It's probably my first lambing I've ever done where I
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Speaker 3: haven't really clocked out a four-wheel drive. Yeah, like, I mean,
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Speaker 3: anywhere you went, you needed four-wheel drive. The gateway probably
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Speaker 3: was muddy, but I've got gravel under all that gateway,
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Speaker 3: so you get through that part, but the rest of
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Speaker 3: the paddock doesn't, and... Yeah, no, just, you know, if
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Speaker 3: you had to catch a sheep, it was hard going
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Speaker 3: because you couldn't, I don't use a dog, I've just
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Speaker 3: got a long crook. And, you know, if they run
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Speaker 3: off a bit, it's hard to get into a vehicle
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Speaker 3: and drive, well, it's a full-time four-wheel drive. But, yeah, no,
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Speaker 3: it's just, we look back at it, it's a challenge
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Speaker 3: we have, and we decide just, we farm in Southland,
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Speaker 3: we're just going to take the good with the bad.
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Speaker 1: So you don't have a dog for catching the ewes?
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Speaker 1: I knew you were pretty handy for blues, but that's pretty,
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Speaker 1: you're doing pretty well not needing a dog.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I still look pretty sharp, try to be
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Speaker 3: pretty sharp anyway, especially the hoggets are pre-lammed shorn, so
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Speaker 3: they're really quick. But I've got about a two and
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Speaker 3: a half metre long crook that you line them up
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Speaker 3: and you get reasonably good at it. I've done probably
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Speaker 3: a 25 year apprenticeship on driving it, so yeah.
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Speaker 2: It takes a few while.
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Speaker 3: It's quite interesting watching new staff trying to operate it.
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Speaker 3: They sort of operate it as though it's a pole vault. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: quite entertaining really.
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Speaker 1: I was going to say, you wouldn't want to run
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Speaker 1: along and stick it in the ground accidentally.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're lucky they're only aluminium. They can't take any weight.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So how's the drop been, though, considering the conditions?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, generally pretty good. I mean, we've had a few
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Speaker 3: drop-offs probably of triplets. That's just what happens with that weather. But,
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Speaker 3: you know, you've just got to take the good or
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Speaker 3: the bad. I would have said probably not. The singles,
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Speaker 3: we had good survivability of the singles. We never really
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Speaker 3: had to bring any of them in. Just the multiples, really. But,
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Speaker 3: I mean, so multiples, they had still one alive. You know,
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Speaker 3: we've probably kept our wheat dries to a minimum, but,
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Speaker 3: you know, it's still reasonably big on mothering up, so
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Speaker 3: you always try and get a lamb on any sheep,
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Speaker 3: any which way.
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Speaker 1: How many extra mother raps would you have done this season,
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Speaker 1: or have you?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I wouldn't have said I've probably done any more.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's probably just more carton stuff to shelter
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Speaker 3: and whatnot. Yeah, and I mean, we've, you know, we're
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Speaker 3: down 500 ewes to what we used to be before
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Speaker 3: we bought the dairy farm, so, you know, things have probably...
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Speaker 3: got a wee bit less intense, so you haven't got
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Speaker 3: that big drop happening, you know, you haven't got a
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Speaker 3: couple hundred sheep lambing in one day, the same as
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Speaker 3: what we did have in those days.
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Speaker 1: So you've got the calving going on on one farm,
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Speaker 1: the lambing on the other, I mean, how are the
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Speaker 1: stress levels for you?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're starting to bust at the seams, so
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Speaker 3: we've done a load, we've got 50 calves on here,
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Speaker 3: beef calves on here at the moment, done a load
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Speaker 3: from the dairy farm really, just we've weaned half of
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Speaker 3: them just the past week. The other half are still
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Speaker 3: on milk powder and whatnot. So the kids have been
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Speaker 3: great at that for the school holidays and Francie. So, yeah,
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Speaker 3: so we've had calves here sort of trying to find pockets.
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Speaker 3: We've got a feeder that feeds 12, so we've got
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Speaker 3: them all in little paddocks all around sheds and everything.
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Speaker 3: So that's been quite, I think it's been quite rewarding
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Speaker 3: for the kids and whatnot.
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Speaker 5: So, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Dean Rabbit said he's looking forward to tailing because it
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Speaker 1: meant he could look forward, but he also talked about
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Speaker 1: having to go and gravel, putting gravel in all the
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Speaker 1: gateways because it was all just muddy ruts. And I
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Speaker 1: think that's just the situation everywhere.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. A couple of days ago I thought, oh,
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Speaker 3: the ground looks quite dry on the winter crop ground.
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Speaker 3: I thought I'll go and wind some fences up there,
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Speaker 3: but it's just dry on the surface. You still sink
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Speaker 3: through it and you definitely couldn't wind enough in your
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Speaker 3: work boots yet to Yeah, so they're still a wee
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Speaker 3: way off. But in saying that, I don't normally get
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Speaker 3: into them until about the 20th of October anyway, so
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Speaker 3: I think we might be just pushing the barrel. I
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Speaker 3: think the expectations are getting in there as early as
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Speaker 3: now anyway.
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Speaker 1: Your grass should be starting to bolt with some sunshine.
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Speaker 1: The soil temperature at Riverton today is 12.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you really notice if you leave a paddock for
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Speaker 3: three or four days with nothing in it. It's certainly
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Speaker 3: got that look to it as though it's got quite
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Speaker 3: a fresh pick, and certainly the sheep put their heads down. So,
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Speaker 3: you know, it's there. We turned the corner. The dairy
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Speaker 3: farm we put nitrogen on down there for helicopter about
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Speaker 3: coming up two weeks ago. Yeah, two weeks today. So
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Speaker 3: that's kicked in. It's probably quite good timing, but you
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Speaker 3: don't really want to be doing that too often because
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Speaker 3: the price of the helicopter was half the price of
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Speaker 3: the nitrogen. So you work that out. It's not really
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Speaker 3: a cheap exercise, but it's just one of those exercises
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Speaker 3: that has to be done. It's been very common around here.
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Speaker 3: I know that Southern Helicopters had 13 helicopters on the
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Speaker 3: go at one stage.
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Speaker 1: You're starting to see the rise of drones putting on
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Speaker 1: nitrogen as well, which is something you never thought about,
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Speaker 1: but it makes sense.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, it is.
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Speaker 3: I understood my brother-in-law was telling me they're not certified,
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Speaker 3: so you can't– nobody's certified a drone to be able
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Speaker 3: to spread or sow, so you can't– you're sort of
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Speaker 3: taking it at your own risk, apparently.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know of an individual in Corry who's actually
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Speaker 1: looking at getting a business up like that too, so
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Speaker 1: it'll be interesting how that transpires given the season we've had.
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Speaker 1: But you just can't get bulkies on the land where
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Speaker 1: you haven't been able to. oh, yeah, well, that's it.
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Speaker 3: You can't get, you know, just taking it side by side.
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Speaker 3: You know, like I've had my nephews and brothers and
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Speaker 3: sisters all here for a week, you know, and they
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Speaker 3: sort of, I think the older kids sort of said, oh,
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Speaker 3: can we take the ute down to the bottom? And
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Speaker 3: I was like, nah, that was probably about a week ago.
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Speaker 3: You know, there's no way you could take a ute
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Speaker 3: through the paddock, but you could now. But, yeah, so,
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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it's just one of those things that
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Speaker 3: we'll just have to take, this bean in Southam.
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Speaker 1: How's the hoggart lambing been?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's ticked along pretty well. I have all Dorfers
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Speaker 3: over the hoggart, so they have pretty good survival in
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Speaker 3: the twins. I mark the hoggart twin lambs. I don't
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Speaker 3: mark my ewe twin lambs, but just mark them because
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Speaker 3: they often will lose one and you know exactly where
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Speaker 3: it belongs and they're quite happy to take it back again. But,
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Speaker 3: you know, they've really done well. All Dorper's over them,
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Speaker 3: so all Dorper lands, so they're fairly lively. And, yeah,
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Speaker 3: so I'd expect to hopefully do over 100 out of
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Speaker 3: them again. But time will tell. We won't make too
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Speaker 3: much applause until the end of the season.
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Speaker 1: So regarding lambing dates and the likes, nothing changes? Remembering
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Speaker 1: that Henry Buckingham's only just got underway with his lambing,
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Speaker 1: he's delayed it?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, our hoggart group is going to go down there
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Speaker 3: in November to have a look and see what Henry's
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Speaker 3: doing down there, you know, just from his other part
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Speaker 3: of his operation. But we're intrigued. But, yeah, I know
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Speaker 3: Henry's quite big on rotational grazing, so that'll be interesting
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Speaker 3: to see how he fits that into a system when
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Speaker 3: you've got grass getting out of control.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I think if I did move it, I'd only move
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Speaker 3: it 10 days, but definitely not until October. But, you know,
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Speaker 3: we're all open to suggestions, really.
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Speaker 1: I think the whole of Southland's intrigued. If there's a
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Speaker 1: field day, you'll probably have half the bloody district turn up.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that's right, too. I mean, I know when
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Speaker 3: I come back home to the farm, my father always
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Speaker 3: said you need to be about the middle of September
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Speaker 3: because your grass growth doubles. So you sort of need
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Speaker 3: to lamb based on that bell-shaped curve. And, I mean,
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Speaker 3: if you move outside it, you've either got to mechanically
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Speaker 3: mow it or do something else. And, yeah, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: It's food for thought, but... You know, we've always lambed
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Speaker 3: when we've lambed for a reason. You know, we always
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Speaker 3: still complain about the weather. So, yeah, so, you know,
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Speaker 3: surely this is our third one. That's it. That's got
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Speaker 3: to be the three.
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Speaker 1: It's a southern farmer's prerogative. Geordie Yead, always appreciate your time.
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Speaker 3: No, good as gold. Let the sun shine and we'll
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Speaker 3: be all good.
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Speaker 1: Geordie Yead, based down at Riverton. 500 mils of rain
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Speaker 1: over eight weeks. It's a bit of precipitation no matter
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Speaker 1: how you look at it, right? The music stops, we'll
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Speaker 1: carry on. Hilary Copeland of Bannerman Crookshank Pride Deloitte is
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Speaker 1: up next. Here we go, some more Jim Wigmore. Gin
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Speaker 1: Wegmore is the music this afternoon. That song there is
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Speaker 1: called Written in the Water. Well, a lot of writing
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Speaker 1: being done by our next guest, but talking in more
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Speaker 1: of a law sense than anything, of course, it is
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Speaker 1: Hilary Copeland of Bannerman Crookshank Pride, the lawyers who we
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Speaker 1: catch up with on a regular basis here on the muster.
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Speaker 1: Good afternoon.
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Speaker 4: Hi, Andy.
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Speaker 1: How are you? Yeah, going very well, thanks. September's gone.
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Speaker 1: It's now October. We're looking forward. That would be the
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Speaker 1: best way to say it at the moment.
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Speaker 7: I suppose.
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Speaker 6: Yes.
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Speaker 7: Definitely want to look forward, not back, that's for sure.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and you might want to look forward as well.
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Speaker 1: You're talking about ownership structures today. Quite a bit to
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Speaker 1: entail with this, I'd imagine.
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Speaker 7: Yes, so I have recently advised a few clients in
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Speaker 7: relation to ownership structures, and that is not just a
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Speaker 7: job for a lawyer, but often the accountant has a
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Speaker 7: big part in that. So that, for me, has been
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Speaker 7: advising farming clients, but also trade business, you know, electricians, builders, etc.
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Speaker 7: And people invest a lot of time and money into
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Speaker 7: buying the land, the buildings, livestock, machinery, or whatever it is,
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Speaker 7: but equally need to put the time and effort into
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Speaker 7: the ownership structure sitting behind it and get it right.
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Speaker 7: So I guess lots of people ring me and say,
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Speaker 7: what should I do? Or I'm going to do this,
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Speaker 7: and I will say, why? So there's lots of options.
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Speaker 7: For a business, obviously the most common is a company.
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Speaker 7: For farmers, there's probably more options than normal. You could
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Speaker 7: have a company, a trust, a partnership, or a combination,
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Speaker 7: and they can all work very well, but it's just
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Speaker 7: important to get it right from the outset.
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Speaker 1: Okay, we're talking about owning something outright. What is the
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Speaker 1: biggest pitfall that you've seen when it comes to the
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Speaker 1: structure of a company or just outright ownership?
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Speaker 7: I guess that's a common misconception is that if you
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Speaker 7: own shares in a company, you're automatically responsible for running it.
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Speaker 7: And there's actually a big difference, if we're talking company ownership,
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Speaker 7: there's a big difference between being an owner of the
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Speaker 7: shares and being a director. So the shareholders own the business,
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Speaker 7: but the directors are responsible for day-to-day governance and making
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Speaker 7: key decisions. And look, this is a bit of a,
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Speaker 7: a bit of a, moving feast and there's lots of
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Speaker 7: parts at play but um being a director for example
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Speaker 7: imposes legal duties and sometimes that can bring personal liability
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Speaker 7: so you just got to stop and think okay you
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Speaker 7: know that you might have mum dad husband wife all
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Speaker 7: of you in there as a director and is that
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Speaker 7: necessary like why are they there so again I guess
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Speaker 7: to be honest it's a common theme and everything that
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Speaker 7: I talk about it's getting the right advice early to
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Speaker 7: make sure um things are done right. And I guess
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Speaker 7: when I say it like that, that is always my
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Speaker 7: message probably when I talk to you, Andy.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting you bring up the word governance. It's relevant
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Speaker 1: in a lot of things.
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Speaker 7: Yes, and I think you did right. That's the thing.
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Speaker 7: And I guess that sounds a bit serious, doesn't it,
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Speaker 7: when you talk about governance? But it doesn't matter what
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Speaker 7: you're doing, what your business is. That is true. You've
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Speaker 7: got to have someone making those key decisions. So What's
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Speaker 7: particularly relevant in a family farming business, for example, is
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Speaker 7: that roles can become blurred. So you might have mum
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Speaker 7: and dad and they've stepped back, but they're still making decisions. Or,
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Speaker 7: you know, I have that conversation, it's a regular question
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Speaker 7: when we're doing a farm succession, what is your role,
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Speaker 7: day-to-day role, going to look like? And practically what is
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Speaker 7: happening and then getting it right legally.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: And so it's important to have clarity around, you know,
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Speaker 7: who's doing what, who controls the business, who owns it, who's,
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Speaker 7: as I said, the day-to-day decision-making. And it's also worth
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Speaker 7: thinking about where the business is headed. Like, can we
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Speaker 7: structure it to future-proof it? And that might be a farm,
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Speaker 7: but it could be a tradie business. You know, if
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Speaker 7: you've got, like, that's what I'm seeing, obviously, I do
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Speaker 7: a lot of farm succession, but with businesses, bringing employees
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Speaker 7: in is becoming quite a common thing So again, getting
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Speaker 7: good clarity early on about that and how that will
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Speaker 7: look and the legals around that.
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Speaker 1: You can see a distinct correlation between ownership structure and
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Speaker 1: farm succession and the way they just interrelate.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, 100%.
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Speaker 7: And I think that I always think when I'm talking
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Speaker 7: on here what's relevant. And as I've just said, so much...
16:58
Speaker 7: there's so many, or my message is always that, get
17:02
Speaker 7: good advice early, but also so much of what I
17:05
Speaker 7: do in my job dealing with farming clients or other clients,
17:09
Speaker 7: it's all, you know, it's all analogous and it's just
17:12
Speaker 7: that we're dealing with a different beast depending on, you know,
17:17
Speaker 7: where we're at. So I guess good ownership structures aren't
17:22
Speaker 7: just about tax or asset protection, like that's obviously a
17:24
Speaker 7: key thing, and that's sort of the knee-jerk reaction to
17:28
Speaker 7: get right, but it's also about making sure everyone knows
17:31
Speaker 7: their roles, that decisions are being made by the right people,
17:35
Speaker 7: and the business can hum along like we want it to.
17:39
Speaker 7: With farm succession, that's obviously a transition from one generation
17:44
Speaker 7: to the next. As I just mentioned, in a business,
17:47
Speaker 7: it's often about bringing in employees as that succession plan.
17:52
Speaker 6: So.
17:53
Speaker 7: And it's not just one-size-fits-all, and that's where your professional
17:57
Speaker 7: advisors are the key people to have those conversations with
18:01
Speaker 7: early on.
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Speaker 1: How often have you seen ownership structures go wrong?
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Speaker 7: I'd like to say they don't go wrong, but you
18:11
Speaker 7: might have some road bumps along the way. But a
18:15
Speaker 7: big part of that is you're dealing with people. You're
18:17
Speaker 7: dealing with real people, real lives. So that's why I
18:22
Speaker 7: think those... practical questions, and that's probably my big piece
18:27
Speaker 7: is I'd like to take the practical and the legal
18:31
Speaker 7: and accounting and other stuff should back up what you're
18:34
Speaker 7: doing practically. So, again, it's trying to make sure that
18:39
Speaker 7: doesn't happen. I guess farming families or business owners spend
18:43
Speaker 7: generations building their valuable businesses, so making sure the ownership
18:48
Speaker 7: and governance structure is right is just as important as
18:51
Speaker 7: looking after the the farm or business itself. And hopefully
18:54
Speaker 7: it becomes a bit of a non-issue. If you put
18:58
Speaker 7: in that time early at the start, it should just
19:01
Speaker 7: tick along.
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Speaker 1: I'd imagine in your profession, Hilary, the C word, communication,
19:07
Speaker 1: is probably one of the terms that is used the most.
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Speaker 7: 100%, and that's what I say so often to my clients.
19:15
Speaker 7: It doesn't matter, you know, you could be doing a
19:18
Speaker 7: relationship property, farm succession business, restructure, whatever it is. And, yeah,
19:25
Speaker 7: I'm a big, and I'm sure I've said this before
19:28
Speaker 7: with you too, Andy, I'm a massive advocate for transparency
19:32
Speaker 7: and open communication because, yeah, then you just, everyone knows
19:38
Speaker 7: where they're at.
19:39
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Stay on the same plate. Now, Bannerman Crookshank Pride,
19:43
Speaker 1: the lawyers, Hilary, where do people get in touch with
19:45
Speaker 1: the team?
19:47
Speaker 7: Check out our website, cplaw.com. or pop in and see
19:52
Speaker 7: us opposite New World and the New Builder.
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Speaker 1: Good on you, Hilary. Always good to catch up.
19:58
Speaker 7: Awesome. Thanks, Andy.
20:01
Speaker 1: Hilary Copeland of Bannerman Crookshank Pride, the lawyers. Always good
20:05
Speaker 1: to catch up with the team as we do. This
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Speaker 1: is our next guest, Don Moore, farming down at Kennington.
20:11
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20:16
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20:19
Speaker 1: Branches in Lawnville, Gore, Cromwell, Milton and Ranfurly.
20:23
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20:30
Speaker 1: Don Moore farms at Kennington and joins us this afternoon.
20:34
Speaker 1: He's a member of the Fonterra Shareholders Council. G'day, Don.
20:38
Speaker 1: Last time we spoke to you, you were getting into carving. Well,
20:41
Speaker 1: it's been a few weeks past since then, and, jeez,
20:43
Speaker 1: what a ride it's been.
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Speaker 5: Sure has been. Yeah, good afternoon. Yeah, September was a challenge, eh?
20:50
Speaker 1: So carving's all over and done with now?
20:54
Speaker 5: Oh, I think we've got two, three left to go,
20:56
Speaker 5: so hopefully in the next hour or so. be all
20:59
Speaker 5: of us all done but yeah pretty much certainly in
21:03
Speaker 5: terms of how we you know the mindset and things
21:06
Speaker 5: it's the sun's out cows are moving on moving on
21:11
Speaker 5: and we're sort of just getting getting that mindset of
21:14
Speaker 5: the team as well away from that carving mindset and
21:19
Speaker 5: sort of looking putting our head up and looking out
21:22
Speaker 5: and seeing what sort of jobs we need to plan
21:24
Speaker 5: for and getting things tidied up now so That's the
21:29
Speaker 5: mindset we're heading into now. Enjoy the sunshine as much
21:35
Speaker 5: as possible and crack on with some of those jobs.
21:38
Speaker 5: The new farm and things we want to do, tidy
21:41
Speaker 5: it all up. Looking forward to those projects now.
21:45
Speaker 1: How's the feed situation down your way?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, there's people pretty tight for sure. Like I said,
21:51
Speaker 5: we've got quite a low stopping rate and so that's
21:56
Speaker 5: enabled us to get by pretty well. average cover is
22:00
Speaker 5: good we sort of held our first round out till
22:05
Speaker 5: pretty late in September so that's helped a lot it
22:09
Speaker 5: was sort of the last few days of that crappier
22:12
Speaker 5: weather we were starting to hit the second round we
22:16
Speaker 5: would have had the speed wobbles for sure if things
22:20
Speaker 5: hadn't come right but it came right just in the
22:23
Speaker 5: nick time I'd say that would be the case for
22:25
Speaker 5: many as well.
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Speaker 1: Have the cows got through the month OK?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, look, we're a bit behind, but all of Southland,
22:33
Speaker 5: especially eastern Southland and south of Targo, I've got the
22:38
Speaker 5: opportunity to look at some production graphs, factory graphs from Edendale. And, yeah, look,
22:45
Speaker 5: production's back. We're back about on par with the average
22:52
Speaker 5: for our area, so that's just the way it is.
22:56
Speaker 5: I'm saying that.
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Speaker 5: I think the milk pickups were still above the year before,
23:04
Speaker 5: so down on last year, but still up slightly on
23:08
Speaker 5: the year before. So it just sort of emphasises, you know,
23:12
Speaker 5: we'll probably, you know, have some pretty tough springs lately, actually.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, how would this rank amongst the springs that you've experienced?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, probably a challenging one to answer, really. I mean,
23:26
Speaker 5: they all have their different challenges for different reasons. reasons
23:30
Speaker 5: and a new farm is probably being down in the
23:33
Speaker 5: new areas will be hard to compare but we were
23:37
Speaker 5: talking the other day it might have been 2009 we
23:42
Speaker 5: had that snowstorm at the end of September 19th of
23:45
Speaker 5: September or something like that we had 20 cows left
23:49
Speaker 5: to calve out of 900 and trying to feed cows
23:55
Speaker 5: when the soil tanks dropped to basically zero and he
23:59
Speaker 5: had snow on the ground for five days. It wasn't
24:01
Speaker 5: actually those five days that were the challenge, it was
24:04
Speaker 5: the next predicts that he didn't grow any grass. So,
24:07
Speaker 5: you know, we've just had all these different, you get
24:12
Speaker 5: all these different challenges and you just have to manage
24:15
Speaker 5: them as you can, which is easy to say that
24:17
Speaker 5: now that the sun's out.
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Speaker 1: Regarding your management, heading into mating, have you had to
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Speaker 1: change much?
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Speaker 9: Well, we've got Holter on this year, so we've We
24:27
Speaker 9: actually had a meeting yesterday up with Holter and Bianca
24:32
Speaker 9: at Head South, just a bit of a group discussion
24:35
Speaker 9: on how we're maximising it. And, yeah, there's some tricks
24:40
Speaker 9: and different things that we're trying, and we've actually just
24:45
Speaker 9: put all of our non-cyclers that have carved more than
24:48
Speaker 9: 50 days ago.
24:50
Speaker 5: Into their own mob on Holter. They're still in the
24:53
Speaker 5: same mob as the other cows, but then we... We
24:56
Speaker 5: preferentially feed them during the day so that they get
24:59
Speaker 5: the pick of the grass and just trying things like that,
25:02
Speaker 5: that are easy wins, but sort of, you know, being
25:06
Speaker 5: quite bespoke to individual cows that might need some extra attention.
25:11
Speaker 5: So I think that's the beauty of Colton.
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Speaker 1: The GDT came out yesterday morning with a rise of 1.2%,
25:19
Speaker 1: but just Fonterra in general is looking pretty good after
25:22
Speaker 1: its profits coming out last week or its results. Pretty rosy.
25:27
Speaker 5: Pretty good vibe around Fonterra at the moment, isn't it?
25:30
Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, we had the couple of days up in
25:35
Speaker 5: Auckland two weeks ago for the results, and then obviously
25:39
Speaker 5: we've had the roadshows last week. Farm has been pretty positive.
25:46
Speaker 5: And then we've had the TDT auction. We've had the
25:50
Speaker 5: midpoint of the forecast milk price have a lift. Yeah,
25:55
Speaker 5: it's just a good place to be. I think forecast
25:57
Speaker 5: earnings for the next year are outstanding. Clearly, they're only
26:03
Speaker 5: a forecast, but, you know, from where Fonterra was five
26:06
Speaker 5: or six years ago to have a forecast of 65
26:10
Speaker 5: to 85 cents per unit, it's a pretty incredible story, really. Yeah,
26:22
Speaker 5: I guess just while we're talking to Montero, just the
26:26
Speaker 5: opportunity that we've got the director roadshows coming up. So
26:31
Speaker 5: we have director elections. We've got two positions available with
26:35
Speaker 5: four standing, one incumbent, three newbies. So 22nd of October,
26:40
Speaker 5: just get on the MyCorp app and come along to
26:42
Speaker 5: the understanding your, sorry, the director roadshow meetings and register
26:49
Speaker 5: for that. It's it's a good opportunity to get in
26:52
Speaker 5: front of whatever Fonterra's future directors will be and then
26:58
Speaker 5: a corresponding opportunity, I suppose, to vote and say. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Good on you, Don. We'll let you carry on. Always
27:05
Speaker 1: good to catch up.
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Speaker 5: All right. Thanks, Andy.
27:10
Speaker 1: Don Moore based at Kennington. You're listening to The Muster
27:14
Speaker 1: up next from Beef and Lamb New Zealand, Lawrencefield.
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27:21
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Speaker 1: Click beeflamnz.com. Lawrence Field joins us this afternoon. He's an
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Speaker 1: agricultural accountant, also a part-time farmer based up in the Wairarapa,
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Speaker 1: and he's coming down south to chat to a Beef
27:41
Speaker 1: and Lamb focus group regarding all the financial things he
27:45
Speaker 1: needs to know about at the moment. G'day, Lawrence. Good
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Speaker 1: to catch up.
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Speaker 4: Hi, Andy.
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Speaker 3: Thank you.
27:50
Speaker 1: Firstly, you're on the water wrapper. You're putting some grass
27:54
Speaker 1: in today. I'll be honest, we're quite envious of that.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right. We haven't had the wet like you've had,
28:02
Speaker 6: but we've had it cold. This is one of the
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Speaker 6: first mornings that we haven't had a frost. But yeah,
28:07
Speaker 6: I must admit, ground conditions are spot on for drilling.
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Speaker 1: Now, we're talking about analysing farm financials at the moment,
28:16
Speaker 1: making key decisions, and just putting the season into perspective
28:21
Speaker 1: from a financial viewpoint.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think one of the challenges for farmers currently, Andy,
28:29
Speaker 6: perhaps even more so than going back five or ten years,
28:34
Speaker 6: is the volatility that we've got. So for a lot
28:38
Speaker 6: of sheep and beef farmers, The 2024 season, the year
28:44
Speaker 6: ended 2024, was one of the worst ever, you know,
28:48
Speaker 6: and maybe half the industry ran at a loss. And,
28:52
Speaker 6: you know, if you go back to then, who would
28:54
Speaker 6: have thought that we're getting $ 9, $ 10 a kilo for
28:57
Speaker 6: beef and $ 11, $ 12 a kilo for lamb? So we've
28:58
Speaker 6: had a huge variation. And so to be able to
29:06
Speaker 6: do some analysis around that is very timely and could
29:11
Speaker 6: help with making good decisions.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's the big thing, I suppose, having seasons where
29:16
Speaker 1: you're having to navigate volatility springing into what we're seeing
29:20
Speaker 1: at the moment and people are budgeting on pretty good
29:23
Speaker 1: margins for red meat.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, well, I'm not sure how good of
29:29
Speaker 6: margins they'll be budgeting on, Andy. It depends whether you're
29:33
Speaker 6: a finisher or a breeder. If you're a breeder and
29:38
Speaker 6: you're obviously selling progeny, then yes, the returns are really good.
29:43
Speaker 6: I just do a bit of trading and sort of
29:46
Speaker 6: finish around 120 cattle a year. And whilst we might
29:50
Speaker 6: get close to $ 3, 000 when we sell them, we're having
29:54
Speaker 6: to pay $ 2, 000 to buy them in. So our margin
29:58
Speaker 6: is no different and could even be tighter than what
30:01
Speaker 6: it's been previous years. And so that's what we're going
30:05
Speaker 6: to look at with this focus group is we're really
30:08
Speaker 6: going to hone in on what is your margin that
30:12
Speaker 6: you're making between income and operating expenses. I think what
30:19
Speaker 6: we'll do at this group, and I encourage all farmers
30:23
Speaker 6: to do this, is to look at the last three years.
30:27
Speaker 6: the year end, 24, 25 and 26. And I think
30:33
Speaker 6: we'll do a bit of a benchmarking exercise with this
30:35
Speaker 6: group and we'll also use the beef and lamb economic
30:37
Speaker 6: data because they even have provisional figures for this coming season,
30:43
Speaker 6: is when we're looking at the margin, yes, we can
30:47
Speaker 6: look at the surplus, the dollar figure, but then I
30:52
Speaker 6: like to delve into it and look at it per
30:55
Speaker 6: hectare perhaps per stock unit. But the other thing that
31:00
Speaker 6: the sheep and beef industry has been perhaps a little
31:03
Speaker 6: bit slow to really embrace is measuring the net production
31:10
Speaker 6: that you're doing on farm. So how many kilograms of
31:15
Speaker 6: carcass weight per hectare are you producing? And then we
31:19
Speaker 6: can actually look at your margin on a per kilogram basis.
31:26
Speaker 6: And that compares, Andy, to what the dairy farmers do
31:30
Speaker 6: in that, you know, most dairy farmers now are very
31:33
Speaker 6: focused on their farm working costs. You know, what are
31:36
Speaker 6: their costs per kg of milk solids? So I would
31:40
Speaker 6: love to help this group identify what is it costing
31:44
Speaker 6: them to produce that kilo of lamb that they're sending
31:48
Speaker 6: out the gate.
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Speaker 1: And I suppose a cold reality at the moment as well, Lawrence,
31:52
Speaker 1: is the fact that you're getting the money where you
31:55
Speaker 1: are for meat compared to, say, a couple of seasons ago.
31:59
Speaker 1: You know, your balance sheet should be looking pretty good too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 6: We're getting good returns, and I think we all needed
32:10
Speaker 6: a decent profit. And, you know, the interesting beef and
32:14
Speaker 6: lamb came out a few weeks ago, and yes, the
32:16
Speaker 6: returns are really good. But be aware of the margin.
32:20
Speaker 6: And so, you know, for the year just finished, 2026
32:24
Speaker 6: would have been probably a record year, record profit for
32:27
Speaker 6: a lot of farmers, which, as you say, helps the
32:30
Speaker 6: balance sheet, whether it's paying back some debt, it's investing
32:33
Speaker 6: on farm, it's really strengthening things. And that's a great
32:38
Speaker 6: position to be in. But the challenge going forward is
32:43
Speaker 6: we all know about on-farm inflation. You know, we've got
32:47
Speaker 6: fuel prices.
32:48
Speaker 2: We've got.
32:50
Speaker 6: Agrochemicals.
32:51
Speaker 1: We've got fertilizer.
32:53
Speaker 6: We've got wages, you know, rates and insurance, all of
32:56
Speaker 6: those things. And they don't seem to sort of bounce.
32:59
Speaker 6: They're a ratchet, eh? When they go up, they stay up.
33:02
Speaker 6: So being aware of what our costs are, you know,
33:06
Speaker 6: for what could be for this current season will give
33:09
Speaker 6: people a lot better position to make some good decisions.
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Speaker 1: You just took my next question away from me, Lawrence.
33:17
Speaker 1: I was going to say exactly that. On farm inflation
33:20
Speaker 1: and how we view it.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
33:23
Speaker 6: And look, that's where, at a starting point, I really
33:27
Speaker 6: encourage people to work out what are your costs per hectare?
33:31
Speaker 6: What does it cost you to run your farm? Are
33:33
Speaker 6: you an $ 800 a hectare type farm? If you were.
33:39
Speaker 6: Two or three years ago, well, then you're now probably
33:42
Speaker 6: an $ 1, 100, maybe even $ 1, 200 per hectare farm because of
33:47
Speaker 6: that inflation. That's no reflection on you. That's just the
33:50
Speaker 6: environment that we're dealing with. And so to be aware
33:54
Speaker 6: of what those numbers are, and I tend to use
33:57
Speaker 6: that as the basis of my budgeting. Where do we
34:01
Speaker 6: want our farm operating.
34:02
Speaker 5: Expenses to sit?
34:04
Speaker 6: We've got to kind of target dollars per hectare. Let's
34:06
Speaker 6: see if we can cut our cloth to fit within that.
34:10
Speaker 1: Do you think that's where business owners are naive and
34:12
Speaker 1: they're not looking at kilos that are going out the
34:14
Speaker 1: gate and breaking it down to that level as such?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's a lost opportunity in that, you know,
34:24
Speaker 6: I shouldn't tell you how old I am, Andy, but
34:26
Speaker 6: I've been through a few ups and downs and when
34:29
Speaker 6: the dairy payout went from $ 8. 40 to $ 3. 90 and people
34:32
Speaker 6: worked out that their farm operating costs were maybe $ 6
34:40
Speaker 6: per kilo, then they realized, geez, we're going backwards. You
34:45
Speaker 6: know what I mean? And so it is, I think
34:48
Speaker 6: it's a good opportunity, and it will set us up
34:52
Speaker 6: really well for farming into the future, which inevitably is
34:56
Speaker 6: going to keep having volatility.
34:58
Speaker 1: So when are you down in the south?
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Speaker 6: Yep, it's a whistle-stop tour. I won't get to check
35:05
Speaker 6: out my old farm at Nibble, but I'm coming down
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Speaker 6: on Tuesday for Claire's focus group, down and back in
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Speaker 6: a day. So it's leave Marserton at 4.30 in the
35:16
Speaker 6: morning and get home about midnight and catching up with
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Speaker 6: her group in Gore.
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Speaker 1: Good on you, Lawrence. Thanks for your time and enjoy
35:25
Speaker 1: your trip down south next week.
35:27
Speaker 6: Looking forward to it. And thanks for the opportunity, Andy.
35:29
Speaker 6: Much appreciated.
35:33
Speaker 1: Lawrence Field, coming down south next week. BeefLambNZ.com slash events
35:38
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35:41
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35:53
Speaker 1: to the muster on Hokonui. It is time to catch
35:56
Speaker 1: up with our resident sporting guru, Nathan Burden, based in Invercargill.
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Speaker 1: Good afternoon, Nathan. How are you?
36:02
Speaker 4: Yeah, very good, mate.
36:02
Speaker 7: Yourself?
36:03
Speaker 1: Pretty good. Look, it's a big afternoon happening in Invercargill.
36:06
Speaker 1: The Northern Southland Trots getting underway. First race, 3.29pm. Paul
36:12
Speaker 1: Hales informed me this morning. Why did they start a
36:15
Speaker 1: race at 3.29pm and not 3.30?
36:19
Speaker 4: I don't know, other than I guess it'll be some
36:21
Speaker 4: sort of TV scheduling situation would be my guess.
36:26
Speaker 1: This All Blacks team's been announced. Very quickly, we'll go
36:29
Speaker 1: through it. Front row, De Groot, Taylor, Newell, Barrett, Lord, Vai, Lakai, Satiti, Roygard, McKenzie, Carter, Barrett, Tupai, Jordan, Barrett. Reserves, Amoa, Bauer, Tossie, Frizzell, Cegna, Preston,
36:44
Speaker 1: Ioane and Morby. Interesting regarding Ethan Blackadder. He's a guy
36:50
Speaker 1: based on his physicality when he's fit. I thought he
36:52
Speaker 1: would have fitted in there.
36:54
Speaker 4: Yeah, you like him, don't you? And he was pretty
36:59
Speaker 4: handy towards the back end of that South African series.
37:03
Speaker 4: And I do feel, it just feels maybe a little
37:06
Speaker 4: bit bitsy, maybe a little bit unsettled, that loose forward
37:10
Speaker 4: combination that they've ultimately gone for. And there's another story
37:14
Speaker 4: potentially too with, I guess, two players who are on
37:18
Speaker 4: the comeback trail for different reasons or two loose forwards
37:22
Speaker 4: on the bench as well.
37:24
Speaker 1: Bowdoin Barrett at 15, interesting.
37:27
Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems to be. I think the drums were
37:29
Speaker 4: sort of beating for Bowdoin Barrett at number 10, but
37:33
Speaker 4: that would have been a massive call. Lots of props,
37:38
Speaker 4: perhaps sort of disappointment with Bowdoin Barrett, obviously very experienced
37:44
Speaker 4: and a classy player at his best, but we didn't
37:46
Speaker 4: see him at his best over in South Africa. So
37:49
Speaker 4: I don't know if.
37:50
Speaker 8: He was ever a realistic....
37:52
Speaker 4: Option in terms of being handed the keys for this test.
37:56
Speaker 4: Definitely the safer option to have Damien McKenzie at 10
38:00
Speaker 4: and Bowdoin Barrett at 15.
38:02
Speaker 1: This Australian team, I mean, they beat the Springboks a
38:05
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. Admittedly, it was a totally different
38:08
Speaker 1: team to what the All Blacks played, but there's always
38:10
Speaker 1: intrigue going into Bledisloe, and it's like a Renfrewley Shield challenge.
38:13
Speaker 1: You're always a glimmer of hope going into the series,
38:16
Speaker 1: bearing in mind they haven't won at Eden Park since 1986.
38:19
Speaker 1: They haven't had the Bledisloe Cup since, what, 2003, 2002.
38:27
Speaker 4: I think that weight of history probably weighs more heavily
38:30
Speaker 4: on the All Blacks' Maybe that's just our black eye
38:33
Speaker 4: patch that we wear. I feel like it weighs more
38:35
Speaker 4: heavily on the All Blacks than it does on the Wallabies.
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Speaker 4: You know, those players in yellow jerseys will be absolutely
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Speaker 4: itching for a chance to make history. And I think
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Speaker 4: they're more than a glimmer of hope. The Australians lift
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Speaker 4: to play us in the same way that we lift
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Speaker 4: to play South Africa. And I think they're a real
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Speaker 4: chance at Eden Park on Saturday night.
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Speaker 1: The Roosters got the business done in the NRL Grand Final,
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Speaker 1: beating the Knights by a point. Simon Jones, you talked
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Speaker 1: about this last week, the Stags Connection fitness coach for
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Speaker 1: the Roosters. Tell us a bit more about Simon. This
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Speaker 1: is a good yarn that Sav put out the other day.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Jones, he's had a very, you know, a real
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Speaker 4: varied career. Started out as a teacher, but always, I guess,
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Speaker 4: sort of had ambitions to do something in that strength
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Speaker 4: and conditioning space. Got his start with the steel and
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Speaker 4: the stags locally, and then moved overseas, had a stint
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Speaker 4: with Japan, and then brought his young family here. back
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Speaker 4: home to Dunedin at the Highlanders where he probably would
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Speaker 4: have been for a stretch of time but then got
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Speaker 4: sort of shoulder tapped to go and have an opportunity
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Speaker 4: in the NRL and you know Jonesy's just a just
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Speaker 4: a really outgoing and ambitious sort of a bloke and
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Speaker 4: one of those people who just sort of says yes
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Speaker 4: to an opportunity and it sort of attended up with
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Speaker 4: him winning an NRL title which is fantastic.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't deny stories like this, can you? I mean,
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Speaker 1: he's gone from Invercargill, he's done the work that he's
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Speaker 1: had to, and it just shows that there is, even
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Speaker 1: though it's very niche being a trainer, opportunities exist if
40:23
Speaker 1: you're seen by the right people.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, he was always going to head places.
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Speaker 8: I do remember him back in the day. He was
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Speaker 8: a New Zealand junior sprinting representative and then turned his
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Speaker 8: hand to rugby. playing on the wing for the Blues,
40:41
Speaker 8: but doing the old down-ups and the sprint practices on
40:45
Speaker 8: a Tuesday night down at Conant Street with Blues, and
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Speaker 8: he'd be winning them by about 100 metres. And then
40:52
Speaker 8: he had a go at cycling actually, and was a
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Speaker 8: very handy sprint cyclist on the track as well. Probably
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Speaker 8: could have gone actually a wee bit further in that
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Speaker 8: sport too. He did represent New Zealand, but Probably could
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Speaker 8: have had a wee bit more success if he had
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Speaker 8: got on a bike earlier in his career. So he's
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Speaker 8: a man that can turn his hand to quite a
41:10
Speaker 8: few different things.
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Speaker 1: And just finally, Bathurst 1000 on Sunday. This is when
41:14
Speaker 1: all petrolheads or wannabe petrolheads, they get up there, they
41:18
Speaker 1: smell that octane and they get into it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a big old day, isn't it? Lots of
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Speaker 4: parties around Southland settling for the afternoon. I'm not sure
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Speaker 4: what the forecast is like. Hopefully a wee bit brighter
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Speaker 4: than it was last year. Yeah, and it's a great
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Speaker 4: day out.
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Speaker 8: Isn't it?
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Speaker 1: Good on you, Nath. We'll carry on. Always appreciate your
41:37
Speaker 1: time on the muster.
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Speaker 6: Lovely.
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Speaker 8: Thanks, mate.
41:41
Speaker 1: Laugh out loud with Ag Proud, because life on the
41:44
Speaker 1: land can be a laughing matter. Brought to us by
41:47
Speaker 1: Shearwell Data, working to help the livestock farmer. So I'm
41:51
Speaker 1: a friend's a biologist working on crossing DNA with other species.
41:55
Speaker 1: I asked him, what are you working on now? He goes,
41:58
Speaker 1: splicing a crab gene with a cheetah gene. I asked,
42:01
Speaker 1: how's that working out for you? He goes, not very good.
42:04
Speaker 1: Everything went sideways pretty fast. Ha ha. And from Beef
42:10
Speaker 1: and Lamb New Zealand as well, their spring shouts continue
42:12
Speaker 1: this evening. Five o'clock, Brunel Peaks Cafe at Blackmount and
42:16
Speaker 1: South Antarctica Town and Country Club in Balclutha. Thanks to
42:19
Speaker 1: the team at Beef and Lamb. Of course, Waimumu, your
42:21
Speaker 1: turn tomorrow at the Waimumu Titipu Hall. I'm Andy Bewer.
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Speaker 1: The Must has brought to you by Peters Genetics. Enjoy
42:27
Speaker 1: the afternoon. Potty's up shortly. See you tomorrow.
42:31
Speaker 7: Hey, well, all right, sir, here we go there, and
42:33
Speaker 7: what are they going to get for?
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Speaker 1: PGG writes, and once again presents stock selling action that
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Speaker 1: occurred at the Charlton sale yard this morning. Dave Robertson,
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Speaker 1: don't know who he is, but Dave Morrison's our correspondent.
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Speaker 1: He's on the ground. G'day, Teagle. How did we go?
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Speaker 2: Thanks, Andy Woods. Oh, sorry, Andy.
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Speaker 8: Sorry about that.
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Speaker 1: Come on, come on, prices.
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Speaker 2: Charlton today, yeah, sunny day, mate. All was good. Not
42:56
Speaker 2: a big yarding. Quite a bit smaller than last week.
42:59
Speaker 2: This is the lambs, 20 to 435, big coal ram lambs.
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Speaker 2: The next tier down, sort of early to mid-three, and
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Speaker 2: the second and the third tier down, sort of the
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Speaker 2: forward lambs, anywhere from 250 to 280. But like I said,
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Speaker 2: smaller yarding there today. The ones that have cut their teeth,
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Speaker 2: they were 140 to 150. Into the rams, 120, 130.
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Speaker 2: Into the ewes, the best of the ewes, touch over 300.
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Speaker 2: Medium ewes, sort of 220 to 250. With the lighter
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Speaker 2: ewes in here from sort of 150 to 180. No
43:35
Speaker 2: store lambs in today, Andy, and no ewes and lambs
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Speaker 2: in today. So that wraps it up, mate.
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Speaker 1: Do you know David Robertson?
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Speaker 6: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Is he a good bloke?
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Speaker 6: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll leave it at that. Thank you, Teagle.
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Speaker 6: Bye, mate.