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WISCONSIN DAD OF 3 DEAD IN LAKE, MISSING, OR SNUGGLED UP WITH UZBEKISTAN LOVER? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a Wisconsin husband and father
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Speaker 1: of three. Is he dead drowned in a massive lake?
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Speaker 1: Is he missing? Or is he snugged up with his
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Speaker 1: Uzbekistan lover. I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for being.
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Speaker 2: A Wisconsin husband and father of three reported missing after
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Speaker 2: he never comes home from a kayaking day trip.
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Speaker 3: On August twelfth, twenty twenty four, at five thirty two pm,
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Speaker 3: our office received a call from the Dutch County Sheriff's
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Speaker 3: office in reference to a subject that did not return
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Speaker 3: home that evening and the.
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Speaker 4: Last known location.
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Speaker 3: He was was Green Lake. Deputy's headed that way Jeff
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Speaker 3: areas around the lake and found Ryan's vehicle along with
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Speaker 3: his trailer, parked in the area of Dodge Memorial Park.
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Speaker 3: We immediately deployed our vote and at six point thirty
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Speaker 3: one two of our deputies found a capsized kayak in
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Speaker 3: the western part of the lake in the area of
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Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty foot depth of water.
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Speaker 1: Where is the missing father of three? And we thought
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Speaker 1: dautiful and loving husband. His wife is refusing to comment
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Speaker 1: until she knows the truth about Ryan Borgwart, but this
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Speaker 1: is not about her. This is about him. She is
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Speaker 1: left with paying the house payment, taking care of the children,
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Speaker 1: and trying to move forward while they ask where's Daddy?
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Speaker 1: But my question is where is Ryan? Borg Wart Joining
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Speaker 1: me in All Star panel to make sense of what
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Speaker 1: we know right now. But listen to this.
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Speaker 3: The last contact with the phone and with Ryan was
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Speaker 3: around ten forty five and.
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Speaker 4: When we first.
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Speaker 3: Got it was around six o'clock the next morning.
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Speaker 4: I immediately called.
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Speaker 3: My partners through the DNR and requested boats. My second
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Speaker 3: call was to Bruce's Legacy. Bruce's Legacy has helped us
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Speaker 3: in the past with drown memes that we've had on
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Speaker 3: our lake. And the reason why is because of the
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Speaker 3: depth of our lake. Our lake is two hundred and
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Speaker 3: thirty eight feet the largest inland lake in Wisconsin.
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Speaker 1: What a massive search? Before I go to Keith Kormackan,
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Speaker 1: the underwater search recovery expert and director of Bruce's Legacy
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Speaker 1: who searched for twenty three days, divers put in danger
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Speaker 1: to find the missing Dad, hold tight. Keith Cormanckan first
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Speaker 1: to Alexis Tereschuk, joining us Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Alexis,
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Speaker 1: I want to start with Dad kayaking alone on the river.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about that. So he goes off on a
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Speaker 1: boy's trip, a solo trip, while his wife stays home
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Speaker 1: and takes care of the three children. Is that is that?
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Speaker 1: Am I understanding that correctly? It's exactly right for work?
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Speaker 5: Goes off. He goes to this lake. It is. It's
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Speaker 5: a pretty big lake, and it is the actual deepest
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Speaker 5: lake inland in Wisconsin.
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Speaker 1: And so he goes off. Oh my god, alexis summer, Alexis,
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Speaker 1: I looked it up. I researched the lake. I'm glad
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Speaker 1: you said. That is seven thousand, three hundred and forty
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Speaker 1: acres and twenty seven miles of shore and goes nearly
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Speaker 1: two hundred and forty feet deep. You're right, go ahead,
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Speaker 1: And it's summer.
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Speaker 5: It's August, so it's Wisconsin for folks. Wisconsin's pretty far north.
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Speaker 5: It stays light much later there. So he goes for
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Speaker 5: an evening kayak. Wife is not suspicious at all something
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Speaker 5: he does. He's outdoorsy, he likes and they live near
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Speaker 5: this lake. It's part of their family life.
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Speaker 1: So he goes.
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Speaker 5: Kayaking, and at ten o'clock, about ten forty five at night,
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Speaker 5: he sends his wife a text and he says, Hey,
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Speaker 5: I'm about to head home now, and that is the
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Speaker 5: last thing that anyone heard from him.
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Speaker 1: Wow. So he goes kayaking and he's never heard from again.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to what the Green Lake County Sheriff
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Speaker 1: Mark Padell says.
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Speaker 3: We assembled around eight thirty that Monday morning to get
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Speaker 3: our plan in place as to what we were going
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Speaker 3: to do. As you can see in the screen behind
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Speaker 3: me shows the location of data guide that guided our search.
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Speaker 3: There was a number of things that we got from
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Speaker 3: the phone that Ryan I had contact with his wife
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Speaker 3: and the last one where it shows you on there,
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Speaker 3: it says last pin. That was one where you told
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Speaker 3: her that he was going to be turning around.
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Speaker 4: And heading towards shore soon.
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Speaker 3: We then got another thing around the eleven fifty and
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Speaker 3: fifty ish and that was just the last thing that
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Speaker 3: we got on.
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Speaker 1: The phone eleven fifty ish at night. I take it,
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Speaker 1: Alexis tres Chuck.
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Speaker 5: Yes, it wasn't night, it was that that evening. So
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Speaker 5: there was he said the text message to his wife.
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Speaker 5: He says, I'm heading back to shore, I meaning I'm
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Speaker 5: on the lake. I'm gonna head back to shore. Then
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Speaker 5: I'll drive home. And then they get one more pin
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Speaker 5: right on the area of the lake where he had
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Speaker 5: been kayaking where the first text message was sent from.
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Speaker 5: And that is nothing else from this phone.
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Speaker 1: And when is daddy reported missing?
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Speaker 5: That night?
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Speaker 6: She panics.
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Speaker 5: His wife panics that night, but so let's talk with midnight.
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Speaker 5: The next day, she calls the police. They immediately first
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Speaker 5: thing in the morning, they send somebody, They send a
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Speaker 5: team out to the lake to look for him. This
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Speaker 5: isn't they at the time. They just thought perhaps he's drowned.
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Speaker 5: You know, lots of accidents can happen on the water.
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Speaker 5: So the police immediately go out to search. He is
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Speaker 5: a dad of three. He is missing. The wife calls.
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Speaker 5: She has no idea of anything that would be wrong
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Speaker 5: with him and is panicked about it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so the last paying is at eleven fifty at
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Speaker 1: night PM. She reports him missing. He said two different
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Speaker 1: things that night and the following morning. When did she
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Speaker 1: report him missing? Simply put that night. So mom immediately
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Speaker 1: reports him missing and the search is on. Straight out
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Speaker 1: to Keith Kormickan joining US underwater Search Recovery expert director
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Speaker 1: Bruce's Legacy search for twenty three days in dangerous water
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Speaker 1: for Vorgwart. Explain to me Keith how side scan sonar
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Speaker 1: or sonar actually works well.
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Speaker 7: Our sonar is a very sophisticated four foot long torpedo.
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Speaker 7: I have extra weight on it, so it weighs a
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Speaker 7: total of one hundred pounds that needs to be told
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Speaker 7: on a cable and it needs to be told to
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Speaker 7: practically ten feet off the bottom. That generates sonar images
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Speaker 7: of absolutely everything on the bottom. You can see rock formation,
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Speaker 7: we can see tree benches and just very great detail.
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Speaker 7: So we cover an area of about one hundred feet
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Speaker 7: on each side of the boat, and we can't see
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Speaker 7: directly underneath the toe ficial We have to overlap, so
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Speaker 7: it does take some time and the yeah, we are
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Speaker 7: able to watch it on a screen in the boat
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Speaker 7: and mark targets and it gives us exact way points
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Speaker 7: of the location of targets and such. Once we locate
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Speaker 7: any targets of injuries and we put their underwater robot down.
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Speaker 7: It has lights, cameras, recording capabilities, and its own sonar
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Speaker 7: who drive up to these targets and take a look
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Speaker 7: at them and see if what's what we're looking for
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Speaker 7: or not.
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Speaker 1: Another question, Keith cormickan, when you are out on this
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Speaker 1: dark water, could you explain how when you're looking at
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Speaker 1: sonar and everybody think a fish sonar A lot of
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Speaker 1: people use it when they're out fishing and you see
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Speaker 1: something you can't really tell exactly what it is. Keith Cormickan,
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Speaker 1: how do you tell a person from debris such as
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Speaker 1: you know, a tree branch or some other form of debris.
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Speaker 7: Well, that's that's the part that takes a lot of practice.
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Speaker 7: You know, there's a lot of images we get of
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Speaker 7: bodies that are what I call no brainer, you know,
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Speaker 7: they they're easy to easy to identify. But the ones
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Speaker 7: that make me, you know, you know, pretty popular is
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Speaker 7: the ones that those those are the tougher images. They
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Speaker 7: may be like ins, you know, in in in and
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Speaker 7: around the log weeds, debris. Uh so they kind of
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Speaker 7: blend in with the surrounding areas. So you know, I've
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Speaker 7: had I don't know, I've done this a lot. I
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Speaker 7: spend a lot of time every year doing it, so
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Speaker 7: I've kind of gained a I don't know what Naki
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Speaker 7: might say, to be able to identify bodies even in
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Speaker 7: the hardest I you know, way to identify them, so
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Speaker 7: and very fortunate.
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Speaker 1: Question. What is your response, how do you feel about
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Speaker 1: a twenty three day search when now we think this
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Speaker 1: guy may be snugged up with a lover in Hiszbekistan.
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Speaker 7: Well, my first initial response when I first heard it
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Speaker 7: about it is, you know, I honestly, my first response
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Speaker 7: was I was relieved because I had been second guessing
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Speaker 7: my capabilities for several days. Couldn't figure out, we know,
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Speaker 7: why could not find this guy. We covered this lake
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Speaker 7: more thorough than I've ever covered the lake. The second
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Speaker 7: reaction was, you know, I was there when the sheriff
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Speaker 7: hit the family with the bombshell of the new information,
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Speaker 7: and I seen the response to the family and it
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Speaker 7: was pretty horrifying news for them to see. You know.
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Speaker 7: The reaction is, you know, was very tough. So you know,
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Speaker 7: I felt a lot of remorse for them and what
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Speaker 7: they're going to be paced with. So that's very tough.
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Speaker 8: You know.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not happy with what he did. And we
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Speaker 7: encountered a lot of expenses, which in damage to our equipment.
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Speaker 7: So yeah, I'm not happy with what he did, the
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Speaker 7: choices he made. He you know, just people don't realize
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Speaker 7: all the expenses, and in the anguish that we how
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Speaker 7: much expenses?
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Speaker 1: How much do you think you're out?
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Speaker 7: Well, I know for sure the first two weeks I
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Speaker 7: spent about ten thousand dollars in sum in repairs, and
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Speaker 7: then I had to replace one of my pieces of
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Speaker 7: the equipment of forty five hundred dollars. So yeah, I
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Speaker 7: had a tough first two weeks. And you know, and
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Speaker 7: then I damaged a couple of props because of the
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Speaker 7: shallow water in some areas. So the Sheriff's apartment was
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Speaker 7: was very good about, you know, taking care of that,
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Speaker 7: in which in turn one of the local businesses actually
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Speaker 7: donated a couple of props, so that local community, it
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Speaker 7: was just amazing down there.
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Speaker 1: An interesting piece of evidence is found on the like listen.
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Speaker 3: There were some voters out there and one vote with
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Speaker 3: two bot two fishermen on casting along the bottom of
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Speaker 3: the lake, and they come.
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Speaker 4: Up with a fishing rod.
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Speaker 3: That fishing rod was taken as evidence photograph and was
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Speaker 3: identified by the wife of the victim. So we continue
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Speaker 3: to search figuring that could have been a point of interest,
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Speaker 3: and at three thirtieth three forty five that same day, Tuesday,
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Speaker 3: we found someone called and said that they found a
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Speaker 3: tackle box. The stuff inside that tackle box had a
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Speaker 3: wallet and keys, then a license belonging to.
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Speaker 2: Riot search and rescue organizations. The Sheriff's office and volunteers
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Speaker 2: scour Wisconsin's Green Lake, but there's no sign the missing father.
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Speaker 2: Where is Ryan borg Wart? Is he dead? Did he drown?
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Speaker 2: Is he missing somehow? Or is he snugged up with
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Speaker 2: his lover in Zbekistan?
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Speaker 1: Those are the questions right now in joining me and
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Speaker 1: All Star Panel to make sense of what we know. Now,
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Speaker 1: we understand cadaver dogs are brought out on the water
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Speaker 1: a massive body of water seven three hundred and forty
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Speaker 1: acres twenty seven miles of shore two hundred and thirty
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Speaker 1: seven feet deep. Look at that the dangers to the
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Speaker 1: divers immense, now dangers to the cadaver dogs. And isn't
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Speaker 1: it true to Barry Golden, former US Marshall now pi
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Speaker 1: Bury cadaver dogs are especially trained to pick up a
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Speaker 1: cent in water, very difficult for the dog in that
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Speaker 1: type of water two hundred and thirty seven feet deep.
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Speaker 1: But dogs can't pick up a scan and.
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Speaker 4: Water, yes, and it's very taxing on these dogs. And
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Speaker 4: you know if it's a quick investigation or a quick search.
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Speaker 4: These dogs may pick up something or a body or
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Speaker 4: a scent of a body or something like that really quick.
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Speaker 4: But when this goes on and on and on, these
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Speaker 4: dogs get stressed out and they get tiring and they're
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Speaker 4: exhausted after a while. So sometimes they have to use
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Speaker 4: two and three dogs and work them in shifts to
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Speaker 4: keep on going. Because this is a huge lake, so
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Speaker 4: it's a big undergoing to get these dogs out there.
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Speaker 4: Sometimes every department doesn't have a cadaver dog and they
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Speaker 4: have to go to other departments to borrow those dogs.
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Speaker 4: Other canine dogs always come in and help out because
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Speaker 4: these dogs get very exhausted searching and searching and searching
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Speaker 4: and walking through these woods.
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Speaker 1: And then a surprise Keith from Versus.
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Speaker 3: Legacy, and he said to me, he said, Sheriff. He said,
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Speaker 3: I've done a lot of searches and I can't find
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Speaker 3: He also told me that Sheriff, don't worried, not giving up.
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Speaker 3: He called the company and was asking for another piece
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Speaker 3: of equipment, a top notch star and it was a
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Speaker 3: new one. But it's going to be a couple of
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Speaker 3: weeks out. And we said we gotta go a different direction,
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Speaker 3: and they did. The direction we went was offline and
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Speaker 3: we found out that his name was a Run on
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Speaker 3: August thirteenth. Wow, yeah, that was something we didn't expect.
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Speaker 1: That's the Green Lake County Sheriff Mark Puddell speaking to us.
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Speaker 1: You know, I've got to clarify Alexis Tereschuk joining US
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Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. Sheriff says his name
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Speaker 1: was Run August thirteen. Now, remember he has his water
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Speaker 1: mishap on August eleven. What did the sheriff mean by
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Speaker 1: that his name was run? Ryan Borgwart's name was Run.
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Speaker 5: What it happened was is that his passport was used
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Speaker 5: in Canada, so that at the border crossing it is
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Speaker 5: it was discovered they put his name, I suppose, into
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Speaker 5: a national database with his passport information and it showed
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Speaker 5: up as him going into Canada the next or two
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Speaker 5: days later. So went missing on August eleven. People started searching.
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Speaker 1: After twenty three day search, putting lives at risk, dogs
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Speaker 1: at risk. I can't tell you. And I've been on
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Speaker 1: a lot of deep dives literally deep dives in dark
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Speaker 1: water all across the world. It can be very dangerous
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Speaker 1: think about it. But aside from that, what about his
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Speaker 1: wife and his children at home? To Bailly excuse me, sorry,
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Speaker 1: Bailly To doctor John Delatory, licensed psychologist specializing in forensic psychology.
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Speaker 1: You can find him at resolution fcs dot com. Doctor Delatory,
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Speaker 1: How can you allow your wife, your spouse, and your
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Speaker 1: children to think you're dead while your passport lets you
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Speaker 1: enter Canada?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, listen, we're going to talk about this guy, and
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Speaker 9: we're gonna I think we're gonna come up with some ideas.
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Speaker 9: If this is not really someone who is capable of
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Speaker 9: having a difficult conversation, This is a guy who's easily manipulated. Right,
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Speaker 9: He's constantly wanting attention, but he's not getting the attention
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Speaker 9: that he wants.
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Speaker 1: You know, let me use a legal phrase on you, Delatory.
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Speaker 1: What the hell are you talking about? He is easily manipulated, Jackie.
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Speaker 6: Have I gone in said?
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Speaker 1: Is this just a bad dream? No? This is real? Delatory?
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Speaker 1: What are you saying he's easily manipulated? I asked you
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Speaker 1: about his wife and his children and all of those people,
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Speaker 1: the divers, the men and women out there risking their
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Speaker 1: lives at two hundred and forty feet below the surface,
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Speaker 1: trying to find this POC cares about? Can you tell
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Speaker 1: me he's manipulating?
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Speaker 9: He cares about something other than them, He cares about
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Speaker 9: things other than his family. He doesn't care that he
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Speaker 9: put an entire community at risk. He doesn't care about.
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Speaker 1: Saying to be lover in Isbekistan. Yes, then why are
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Speaker 1: you telling me he's easily manipulated? My rear end?
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Speaker 9: Because I mean, could he be talking to someone who
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Speaker 9: is Pakistan? I mean sure, but he's most likely talking
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Speaker 9: to some man in Southeast Asia who's convinced him to
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Speaker 9: start donating all kinds of.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so control yourself, Okay, dilatory.
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Speaker 6: You're worried that.
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Speaker 1: He could be talking to a guy in his underwear
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Speaker 1: kneed j and not a hotty from his back stamp.
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Speaker 1: That's what you're focused on.
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Speaker 9: I'm not worried about.
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Speaker 1: Why are you even talking about that?
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Speaker 9: That's not what I asked you, But I'm not worried
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Speaker 9: about what he's asked you.
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Speaker 1: How could you let your wife and children think you're dead.
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Speaker 1: I've lived through my fiance's murder. I know what it
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Speaker 1: feels like to think he's dead. And every time my
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Speaker 1: husband is late or he doesn't land on time. I think,
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Speaker 1: is he dead? That's what happens, That's what this woman
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Speaker 1: is probably still going through.
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Speaker 9: You doesn't love his wife or his children anymore. He
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Speaker 9: doesn't love them anymore at all. He doesn't care about what.
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Speaker 1: Did he ever? Did he ever?
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Speaker 9: Probably at some point, but certainly not now.
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Speaker 1: You know, I just god deatory. I know you have
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Speaker 1: a lot of degrees, and you are renowned psychologist and mediator,
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Speaker 1: but I don't know what to think about you right now.
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Speaker 1: I ask you about how could you let your wife
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Speaker 1: and children think you're dead all this time when you're
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Speaker 1: shacked up with a haughtie in Zbekistan, or so we think,
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Speaker 1: And you talk to me about how he's minneapolated by
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Speaker 1: some naked guy online and whatever. I don't care. I
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Speaker 1: care about what he's done to his wife and family.
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Speaker 1: If in fact this is true, you know what control
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Speaker 1: and put him in the corner. I'm going to give
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Speaker 1: him a few minutes to think about what he has said.
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Speaker 1: Gregory Morse joining me, high profile lawyer with King and Morse,
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Speaker 1: current CGA Council Southern District of Florida, former public defender
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Speaker 1: and author of the untested on Amazon, he can find
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Speaker 1: him a kingmoselaw dot com. Gregory, what about it? Is
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Speaker 1: this a crime if it's true?
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Speaker 10: Well, no, it's not a crime. If it's true. People
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Speaker 10: lie to their spouses all the time. People tell their
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Speaker 10: spouses or their children they're going to the corner store
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Speaker 10: and they never come home. And even if it is
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Speaker 10: a crime, Nancy, it doesn't really matter because we don't
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Speaker 10: have an extradition treaty with Uzbekistan. If that's in fact
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Speaker 10: where he is, maybe there could be a crime with
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Speaker 10: this passport application, But how do you approve he didn't
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Speaker 10: lose his passport. That's not an easy thing to prove,
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Speaker 10: and that's a low grade felony anyway. So even if
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Speaker 10: we had an extradition treaty with Uzbekistan, the government probably
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Speaker 10: wouldn't spend their time to.
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Speaker 1: Get him back.
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Speaker 10: Maybe the moral police should be looking for him, but
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Speaker 10: the police police should stop wasting their time. And he
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Speaker 10: didn't do anything illegal as far as I could tell,
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Speaker 10: except maybe the passport thing.
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Speaker 1: I don't know who you're referring to as the moral police.
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Speaker 1: I guess me. I'm not the church lady. But haven't
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Speaker 1: you heard about prosecutions of people that fake their disappearance
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Speaker 1: while the government racks up thousands and thousands of dollars
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Speaker 1: while they're all out searching for the missing person.
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Speaker 10: Well, he faked a disappearance to his wife and then
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Speaker 10: he left. She called and said he was missing. She
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Speaker 10: called the police and did these things. So you're transferring
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Speaker 10: that kind from that fault to him, not her fault.
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Speaker 10: But she took the acts that could be down the
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Speaker 10: path of criminal culpability.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now is a very special guest, Billy Boomhauer,
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Speaker 1: mental health content creator. You can find her on TikTok,
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Speaker 1: Authentic Alpha, on Insta, Authentic Alpha Co. Billy Boomheuer. Before
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Speaker 1: I ask you any questions, I've just got to show this.
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Speaker 6: Why can you advice on anything?
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Speaker 1: They go to is bekis Stan or stay here?
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Speaker 7: Say that one more time I go to is Bekistan
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Speaker 7: or stay here?
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Speaker 6: Do you have family there?
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Speaker 1: No?
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Speaker 6: Why do you want to go to meet a woman?
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Speaker 6: To meet a woman? And it was as spack from.
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Speaker 1: Beekistan, from Pakistan?
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Speaker 6: You don't like American women? Oh they're familiar.
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Speaker 1: They're familiar. Is that a bad thing? I guess he
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Speaker 1: wants some strange as some of my defendants have said, Okay,
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Speaker 1: that's Billy Boomhauer, who's with us right now talking to
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Speaker 1: a guy that looks a lot like Bogwart. Okay, I
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Speaker 1: didn't take his fingerprint or get his DNA buckle swab,
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Speaker 1: but that looks like Bogwart to me? Uh is it? Wait?
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Speaker 1: Excuse me, but that looks like Borgwart to me? Joining me,
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Speaker 1: Bailey Boomhower, Bailey, what prompted you to ask advice from
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Speaker 1: the Borgwart look alike?
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Speaker 11: I was just doing my advice series and then this
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Speaker 11: man came up on his bike and then started asking
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Speaker 11: all those questions, and he after like, looking into more,
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Speaker 11: it looks like it could be Ryan.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to more of Bailey Boomhauer's interview with
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Speaker 1: a man we believe to be missing Dad, Ryan Borgwart.
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Speaker 6: So you've given up on meeting someone here? No, I'm married.
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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, but you you want to find someone else
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Speaker 6: empty nest?
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Speaker 4: I'm not sure, So I'm.
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Speaker 6: Asking you we empty nest? What do you mean? My
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Speaker 6: kids are?
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Speaker 9: Wait?
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Speaker 6: So you want to find like adopt a child?
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Speaker 4: No, No, I want to find a companion that I'm
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Speaker 4: content with and more.
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Speaker 8: I thinks that requires you to divorce someone first? Well,
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Speaker 8: or is she okay with that?
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Speaker 11: That's a good question.
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Speaker 6: Have you guys had a conversation about that?
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Speaker 7: So?
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Speaker 6: Would it be like a thropple or something?
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Speaker 1: No?
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Speaker 6: Oh, you would?
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Speaker 8: You guys would get a divorced possibly possibly Bailey, did you.
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Speaker 1: Ever imagine that that I guess beach side video you
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Speaker 1: took would be part of a missing person's case.
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Speaker 11: I had no clue. And then it wasn't until recently
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Speaker 11: that people started tagging me and like tagging all these
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Speaker 11: news channels and commenting that they think it was Ryan.
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Speaker 1: Wow, let's see a picture of borg warp and compare. Okay, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think we've got some more. You be the judge.
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Speaker 1: Is she talking to this guy? That's an older picture?
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Speaker 1: He has less hair than he did in that most
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Speaker 1: recent picture. Oh Kidoki? All right, let's take a listen
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Speaker 1: to more of Billy Bumhauer's interview with who we believe
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Speaker 1: to be Ryan Borboard.
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Speaker 8: Do you just feel like there's no love left between
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Speaker 8: you guys?
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Speaker 1: Diminished?
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Speaker 6: Finished?
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Speaker 8: Well, I think you guys should definitely have that discussion
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Speaker 8: and see where things are going between you two before
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Speaker 8: you leave the country. Yeah, but yeah, I would I
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Speaker 8: think you guys should sort out where your marriage is
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Speaker 8: right now.
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Speaker 6: I think that's the first thing to do.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to just go out on a limb and
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Speaker 1: go back to doctor John Delatory, licensed psychologist. Doctor Delatory.
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Speaker 1: You earlier you were talking about how he Borgwart was
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Speaker 1: manipulated online. You do hear what he is saying to
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Speaker 1: Bailly Boomauer, right, he has quote diminished love for his
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Speaker 1: wife after she's given birth to three of his children
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Speaker 1: and taking care of them and him, and now he's like, eh,
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Speaker 1: it's diminished. Did you hear that? I did hear that?
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Speaker 7: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: And you still think he's being manipulated?
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Speaker 8: Yeah?
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Speaker 9: Oh you still again? I do still think he's being manipulated.
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Speaker 9: I do think he's being told that whatever love he
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Speaker 9: feels isn't there anymore. And I'm sure that he's being exploited.
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Speaker 9: And I'm sure I mean gift cards. Right, we saw
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Speaker 9: the list of things that the police had had said
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Speaker 9: that we're part of this investigation. Airline gift cards. I
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Speaker 9: mean the only thing missing is cryptocurrency. I mean, come on,
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Speaker 9: three hundred and fifty dollars, three hundred and fifty thousand
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Speaker 9: dollars life insurance policy, This guy is soft. This This
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Speaker 9: guy doesn't want to have a difficult conversation about where
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Speaker 9: his marriage is. He just wants to leave his family
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Speaker 9: and he doesn't want to have any consequences associated with that.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why you keep take up for him,
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Speaker 1: claiming that he's the one being manipulated. You know what,
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Speaker 1: The only place I'm getting any straight answers right now
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Speaker 1: is from Bailly Boomhauer, who on a lark, was offering
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Speaker 1: advice out along the water. Where were you exactly, Bailly?
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Speaker 11: I was in Pacific Beach, Sandiego.
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Speaker 1: Okay, listen to more of Bailly Boomhauer speaking to who
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Speaker 1: we believe to be boardboard and I.
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Speaker 8: Think you'll feel less lost and like things are up
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Speaker 8: in the air.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Six months later, Yeah, you guys should sort that out.
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Speaker 1: That's the advice.
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Speaker 8: Yes, you need to figure out where you're what's going on?
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Speaker 6: Why is it not possible?
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Speaker 1: Incision? Okay, indecision. So because of his indecision, he's led
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Speaker 1: not only his wife and his children, but an entire
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Speaker 1: sheriff's fours divers and dogs on a wild goose chase
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Speaker 1: because he can't just decide to stay with his wife
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Speaker 1: and family or leave for some woman he thinks he's
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Speaker 1: gonna meet in his Bekistan. Okay, more, I.
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Speaker 8: Feel like indecision is a decision in itself because if
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Speaker 8: you're even questioning.
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Speaker 6: Baally, nice to meet you.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, talk to your wife, sort it out. You guys
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Speaker 8: need to know be on the same page with what's happening.
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Speaker 1: Ladies when you run into mister indecision, run for the
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Speaker 1: hills as if you had seen a monster. That's my
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Speaker 1: advice crime stores with Nancy Grace. You know, Billy boom Hoower,
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Speaker 1: this is amazing that you got this video. Billy Boomhower,
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Speaker 1: mental health content creator on TikTok, Authentic Alpha on Insta
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Speaker 1: Authentic Alpha. Coo, what was your impression of this guy?
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Speaker 11: It was just such a bizarre encounter. Just the whole time,
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Speaker 11: he kind of was like I thought maybe he was
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Speaker 11: on something or I really couldn't tell if he was
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Speaker 11: just like joking or if it was real. But then
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Speaker 11: the longer it went on, it just seems like it
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Speaker 11: was a legitimate, like legitimate thing he was asking. But
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Speaker 11: as you could see, I was kind of confused the
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Speaker 11: whole time because it was just such a bizarre encounter.
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Speaker 12: My writer I don't know where I am right hapisode
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Speaker 12: for One Street at the seven eleven.
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Speaker 10: What's going on?
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Speaker 12: I got my family in the sweet on the.
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Speaker 7: Phone this week and.
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Speaker 12: Nif I was get out from up from Atlanta, Georgia.
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Speaker 12: I don't know what mostly had said. It's fill on
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Speaker 12: the knees.
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Speaker 5: I don't know, did you? I don't know?
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Speaker 1: Woman, you were not kidnapped. You faked your own disappearance
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Speaker 1: on the eve of your wedding. Jennifer Wilbanks, known as
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Speaker 1: the Runaway Bride, d hey, I can't wait to get
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Speaker 1: hold of Gregory Moore's high profile lawyer on this. Do
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Speaker 1: you hear going? Is this she's really sucking up? Snot?
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Speaker 1: Let's listen to some more.
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Speaker 12: I hold, I was I say her? I mean I
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Speaker 12: was saying in her forties? Maybe it was.
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Speaker 8: Her.
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Speaker 1: Do you have what it longer? Shore s any fatal hair?
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Speaker 9: No, we'll come a short.
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Speaker 12: Exactly what you are? I want to ask? Saw him
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Speaker 12: again on a maroon.
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Speaker 11: I don't know what colors now.
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Speaker 8: And were kind.
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Speaker 12: It was a boy's van, like a work band, we're
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Speaker 12: going to converted man or a running It wasn't a meaning.
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Speaker 12: It was like a like a like a painter work
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Speaker 12: band direction to day Revan, don't no, I did know
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Speaker 12: where I am.
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Speaker 1: You know, I could just listen to her nim one
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Speaker 1: call all day long. But to Greg remorse, she goes
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Speaker 1: so far beyond faking her own kidnap, her own fake kidnap,
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Speaker 1: she actually describes the suspects. They're Hispanic. According to her,
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Speaker 1: it was all a hoax, Morse, and she was forced
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Speaker 1: to pay tens of thousands of dollars to reimburse the
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Speaker 1: government for her search. Now you can't order reimbursement. A
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Speaker 1: judge can't do that unless you're convicted of something. Now
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Speaker 1: you were earlier saying this isn't a crime.
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Speaker 10: Well, Nancy, it's not exactly. The big difference here is
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Speaker 10: a person that fakes their own death death can't make
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Speaker 10: a false police report and call nine to one one
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Speaker 10: they're supposed to be dead.
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Speaker 6: And that's what we have here.
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Speaker 10: The example you showed, or even the Jesse Smallet case.
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Speaker 10: Those people called the police, they committed the crime of
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Speaker 10: filing a false police report that was able to be charges.
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Speaker 10: But again here we don't have that. We have a
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Speaker 10: guy who lied to his family. Not a nice guy,
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Speaker 10: but not a criminal with regard to that aspect, maybe
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Speaker 10: a civil lawsuit by the local police, they can have
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Speaker 10: at it. They'd probably waste more money and legal fees
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Speaker 10: than they wouldn't collecting. But Borgenwort didn't commit a crime
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Speaker 10: here or being this search. He didn't call the police
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Speaker 10: and create a false report.
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Speaker 12: So you're wrong.
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Speaker 7: There is nothing wrong here.
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Speaker 1: He's no crime for.
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Speaker 10: This guy, and probably the jokes on him.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean the joke's on him? Morris?
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Speaker 10: Well, I agree with your doctor. I've been a criminal
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Speaker 10: defense lawyer a long long time and i'll tail signs
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Speaker 10: of the victim of a scam. So when he shows
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Speaker 10: up to that beautiful woman he believes he's going to
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Speaker 10: see in Uzbekistan, he's going to see an empty place
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Speaker 10: and he's going to have lost all his money. So
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Speaker 10: while it's horrible for the family, this guy's going to
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Speaker 10: probably suffer for his ridiculous decision to leave his family
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Speaker 10: and be you know.
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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on remorse. While faking one's death in itself
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Speaker 1: may not be illegal, what if it is part of
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Speaker 1: a fraudulent plan like insurance fraud. Remember the three hundred
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Speaker 1: and seventy five thousand dollar policy he took out. I
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Speaker 1: do not about that.
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Speaker 10: Row Well, there's nothing wrong with providing for your family,
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Speaker 10: which sounds good. However, if he caused or knew that
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Speaker 10: someone was going to make the insurance claim, then we
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Speaker 10: start getting into.
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Speaker 11: The crime area.
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Speaker 10: It's not a crime to provide for your family, even
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Speaker 10: if you leave them a week later nothing and lie
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Speaker 10: to them. There's no crime there unless someone tries to
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Speaker 10: get the insurance money and claims he's deceased. And if
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Speaker 10: the wife tried to do that, now I would venture
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Speaker 10: she's probably criminally liable because there's enough evidence to know
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Speaker 10: this guy's probably alive somewhere.
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Speaker 2: A shocking update and a missing kayaker case months after
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Speaker 2: his kayak has found overturned authorities suspect Ryan Borgwart may
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Speaker 2: be alive and far from home.
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Speaker 1: Barry Golden joining me former Senior Inspector US Marshall Service. Translation,
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Speaker 1: they go all over the world finding fugitives now owner
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Speaker 1: of Golden Consulting and Investigations at GOLDENDASHCI dot com. Barry
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Speaker 1: I think Gregory Morse, while I don't like what he's saying,
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of what he is saying is correct.
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Speaker 1: I also agree with him that unlike many other cases
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Speaker 1: where we hear about the US Marshalls tracking down killers
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Speaker 1: all around the world, you know, like Caitlin Armstrong who
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Speaker 1: murdered a pro biker over jealousy, like McLeod who murdered
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Speaker 1: his girlfriend. There's so many that are brought back to
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Speaker 1: the US for justice. I don't see the US Marshals
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Speaker 1: spending the money to go halfway around the world with
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Speaker 1: Uzbekistan with him. We don't have any type of treaty
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Speaker 1: spending all that money to bring home basically a deadbeat
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Speaker 1: dad who lies to his wife and family and costs
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Speaker 1: probably over one hundred thousand dollars search efforts. Do you
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Speaker 1: think they'll really look for him?
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Speaker 4: Let me throw this at you, Dancy, Okay, you don't
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Speaker 4: think the sheriff's office in Watertown wants to get this
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Speaker 4: guy back on US soil if he is over in Europe.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely they do. If you look to the right of
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Speaker 4: the sheriff that was standing there at that press conference,
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Speaker 4: it looks like an FBI agent.
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Speaker 7: So how about this?
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Speaker 4: And I disagree with because you can make this what
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Speaker 4: you want to get this guy back on US soil?
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Speaker 4: If this guy said that his passport was lost and stolen.
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Speaker 4: Then he signed a DS sixty four, which is a
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Speaker 4: passport form that says I lost or my passport was stolen.
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Speaker 4: At the bottom of that form it says all the
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Speaker 4: information on this form is true and accurate under the
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Speaker 4: penalty of perjury. So he may have committed a federal
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Speaker 4: crime by committing a false statement on a government document.
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Speaker 4: So if that is true, the FBI can get a
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Speaker 4: warrant for his arrest. Now you can get a provisional
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Speaker 4: arrest warrant, and you can get him back from Uzbekistano
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Speaker 4: wherever he may be in Europe. I think absolutely why
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Speaker 4: would the FBI be involved if they don't get this
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Speaker 4: guy back and try to get back some restitutions because
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Speaker 4: he cost the sheriff's office thousands and thousands, probably north
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Speaker 4: of one hundred thousand dollars.
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Speaker 1: Like you just said the other thing, I Barry Golden.
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Speaker 1: Oh wait, go ahead, there's more.
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 4: I mean Watertown is two hundred and twenty miles from
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Speaker 4: the Canadian border. Okay, you know they ran his name
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Speaker 4: in Canada. Okay, fake your death one oh one. You
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Speaker 4: don't use your real name, all right? You got to
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Speaker 4: be smarter than a fifth grader. Okay, so let's start
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Speaker 4: with that. Then he gets to Canada. How did he
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Speaker 4: get to Canada? He didn't take an uber It's a
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Speaker 4: two hundred and twenty dollars train ride to Canada. Did
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Speaker 4: he have help? Does somebody know his dirty little secret
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Speaker 4: that's going to keep it a secret? Who knows? But
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Speaker 4: the fact of the matter, he's in Europe he might
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Speaker 4: be understand. So I think the Sheriff's office, working with
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Speaker 4: the FBAI, the Office of International Affairs, can get an
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Speaker 4: arrest warrant for making false statements on the government document
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Speaker 4: and get his tail back here to the US. I'm
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Speaker 4: sure his wife wants to slap him upside the head
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Speaker 4: and say, what the hell were you thinking? His kids
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Speaker 4: are probably went from being sad to being disgusted at
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Speaker 4: this guy. So I think they do whatever they have.
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Speaker 4: They've already spent enough money, thousands and thousands of dollars
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Speaker 4: trying to recover his body that was obviously not there.
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Speaker 4: They're going to get this guy back. You think the
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Speaker 4: Sheriff's office is just going to say, ah, he's in Europe,
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Speaker 4: he's gone. You know another case.
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Speaker 1: No, Barry Golden, everything you said is amazing and correct.
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Speaker 1: Billy Boomhauer, who just happened to talk to this guy
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Speaker 1: on the waterfront and get basically a confession from him.
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Speaker 1: Billy Boomhower, you can find her on instag at Authentic
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Speaker 1: Alpha Coo. Billy, the last thing any woman needs is
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Speaker 1: mister indecisive. I just want to ask you one more time,
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Speaker 1: what was your sense of this guy and what do
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Speaker 1: you think about being state's witness Number one?
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Speaker 13: I would say the whole interaction seems very strange, and
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Speaker 13: it seemed like he already kind of had his mind
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Speaker 13: made up about things, so when he was asking you questions,
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Speaker 13: I feel like he like visitally did not I want
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Speaker 13: to hear what I was saying. He just wanted me
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Speaker 13: to pretty much tell him.
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Speaker 11: Like, yes, just go to his backes stand and leave
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Speaker 11: your family. And it just seemed also like he just
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Speaker 11: kept smiling to himself, So I feel like he was almost.
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Speaker 13: Like smug in a way.
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Speaker 11: But I feel like it could have just been like
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Speaker 11: a confession right before he decided to disappear.
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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the
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Speaker 1: disappearance of husband and father of three Ryan Borgwart, dial two,
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Speaker 1: dial nine to zero two nine four four one three
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Speaker 1: four repeat nine to zero two nine to four, four
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Speaker 1: one three four And when he is dragged back to
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Speaker 1: the US, I'm sure his first call is going to
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Speaker 1: be to Gregory Morse, high profile lawyer joining us today
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Speaker 1: from King Morse. Fancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend, give
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Speaker 1: me