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'MOUNTAIN DEW BABY BOTTLES' MADE BY MOM KILLS DIABETIC TOT · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, breaking news tonight.
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  Speaker 2: A Mountain Dew bottle baby, four year old little girl Carmody,
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  Speaker 2: dad of acute diabetes after mommy feeds her baby nothing.
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  Speaker 3: But Mountain dew baby bottles. The baby's teeth rotted out.
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  Speaker 3: What nobody saw that. All I can say tonight is
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  Speaker 3: there is a very special car to Hell for mommy
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  Speaker 3: and daddy. You're riding shotgun. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 3: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: Your world cares so or that resulted in her death.
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  Speaker 4: Her was actually terrible. She has was called baby bottle
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  Speaker 4: carries it sort of she decay this cause.
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  Speaker 1: By drinking a sugary liquid usually.
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  Speaker 4: Out of a deliricystm. Sort of like a wow. What
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  Speaker 4: turns out four child's dream?
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  Speaker 3: Now do have a bob every day?
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  Speaker 4: So much so all of her teething.
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  Speaker 3: As of our friends at Local twelve WKRCTV. And you
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  Speaker 3: are hearing the description of what was done to a
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  Speaker 3: four year old little girl Carmity aka Mountain do Baby
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  Speaker 3: bottle Baby, Mountain do Baby bottle Baby with me it
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  Speaker 3: all start panel to make sense of what we are
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  Speaker 3: hearing right now But first, what happened when this little
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  Speaker 3: baby girl was rushed.
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  Speaker 1: To the hospital.
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  Speaker 5: Toward the end of January, Carmody Hole becomes lethargic. The
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  Speaker 5: normally busy four year old is not active at all.
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  Speaker 5: After four days of her symptoms getting worse each day,
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  Speaker 5: Carmody turns blue and stops breathing. Her mother finally calls
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  Speaker 5: ninety one one for help. First responders are able to
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  Speaker 5: revive the little girl and she is taken to children's hospital.
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  Speaker 5: Carmody Hobe seems malnourished and her teeth appear to be
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  Speaker 5: rotted out.
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  Speaker 3: Her overall care so poor it results in her death.
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  Speaker 3: Her diet was exclusively baby bottles full of mountain dew. Really,
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  Speaker 3: how many grams of sugar are in this thing? Whoa
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  Speaker 3: seventy seven grams of sugar and a twenty fluid ounce bottle.
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  Speaker 3: The baby's teeth were rotted out after drinking mountain dew
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  Speaker 3: baby bottles. She had exclusively mountain dew baby bottles. She
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  Speaker 3: got diabetes as she died after the diabetes affected her brain.
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't happen overnight? Okay? With me an all star panel.
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  Speaker 3: Carmoedy Hub, a four year old little girl, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: Now dead. Back to our All Star panel.
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  Speaker 3: First, I want to go straight out to Lauren Colin,
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  Speaker 3: joining US investigative journalists and star of the Outlier podcast.
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  Speaker 3: You can find her on YouTube. Lauren, thank you for
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  Speaker 3: being with us. What happened?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so this is a case of neglect, as the
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  Speaker 6: prosecution stated, and look, poor Carmony. There was no evidence
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  Speaker 6: that her parents had ever taken her to the dentist before.
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  Speaker 6: She didn't go to the pediatrician for regular visits. I
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  Speaker 6: mean the photos you see of Carmody, there's dorrito bags everywhere,
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  Speaker 6: There's there's the mountain dew stacks. I mean, it's so sad.
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  Speaker 6: So this was a true case of neglect here. And
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  Speaker 6: as you stated, her mother wasn't even going to take
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  Speaker 6: her to the hospital until she saw that she wasn't
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  Speaker 6: breathing and she turned and then obviously we know she
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  Speaker 6: later passed away. It's completely tragic and could have been prevented.
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  Speaker 3: Again with me an All Star panel, I'm trying to
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  Speaker 3: figure out how this happens. What do we learn upon
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  Speaker 3: an autopsy?
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  Speaker 7: Listen, Carmody Hope arrives at Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center,
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  Speaker 7: after being revived by first responders at her home, doctor's
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  Speaker 7: order a brain scan and determined that the little girl
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  Speaker 7: with a big personality is brain dead. An autopsy is done,
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  Speaker 7: it reveals Carmody died from a diabetes related brain injury.
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  Speaker 7: Investigators determined Krmody has never been formally diagnosed with diabetes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand what I'm hearing. Joining me.
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  Speaker 3: Doctor Michelle Dupree a renowned forensic pathologist, medical examiner, and importantly,
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  Speaker 3: former detective with the Sheriff's Department. She is the author
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  Speaker 3: of multiple books, including Money, Mischief and Murder, The Murdog
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  Speaker 3: Saga That's all about Alex Murdog. Do I need to
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  Speaker 3: relive that double homicide? But important for me Homicide Investigation
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  Speaker 3: field Guide and Investigating Child abuse field Guide. How I
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  Speaker 3: don't totally understand diabetes. I know you can be born
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  Speaker 3: with it. I know that it can develop over a
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  Speaker 3: period of time. I know my dad was borderline diabetic
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  Speaker 3: and we had to watch every gram of sugar in
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  Speaker 3: his yogurt, in his food, and his everything. But how
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  Speaker 3: does diabetes affect your brain? I don't understand that, Doctor Dupree.
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  Speaker 3: You know what you just need to start at the
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  Speaker 3: beginning about what happened with carmeny, doctor Dupree.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't mind, sure, well.
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  Speaker 8: Diabetes is basically too much sugar in your blood. Sugar
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  Speaker 8: is used as energy for the cells your liver processes
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  Speaker 8: the sugar. When there is not enough insulin to help
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  Speaker 8: the liver do that, then the liver becomes overburdened and
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  Speaker 8: actually begins to burn fat instead of sugar for energy.
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  Speaker 8: When this happens, the person goes into something called keto acidosis,
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  Speaker 8: and keto is from the fat.
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  Speaker 3: You know what, doctor Dupree, really keto acidos? Dummy down, woman,
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  Speaker 3: I'm just a trial lawyer. I did not go to
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  Speaker 3: medical school. I haven't performed ten thousand autopsies like you.
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  Speaker 3: How does diabetes affect your brain?
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  Speaker 8: Because when that happens, the blood brain is broken and
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  Speaker 8: that is toxic to the brain. When you have too
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  Speaker 8: much and so your brain begins to shut down. In fact,
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  Speaker 8: some of the symptoms of this are lethargy, you become
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  Speaker 8: convulsive even and eventually you go into a coma because
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  Speaker 8: it depresses your central nervous system. And then if it's
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  Speaker 8: not taken care of, if that isn't resolved, then you
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  Speaker 8: can actually die from this, and unfortunately that's what happened
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  Speaker 8: in this case. Too much Sugar Listen to.
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  Speaker 1: Our friends a crime online.
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  Speaker 7: The cause of death for Carmody Hope is listed as
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  Speaker 7: diabetic keto acidosis which spread to her brain. Eminently treatable.
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  Speaker 7: Her death could have been prevented had she received proper
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  Speaker 7: medical care. While denying Carmody proper medical care, her mother,
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  Speaker 7: Tamra Banks, did not deny her own medical care, regularly
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  Speaker 7: filling prescriptions and even getting her doctor to make a
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  Speaker 7: house call to their apartment to make sure her health
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  Speaker 7: needs were met.
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  Speaker 3: What so no pediatrician, no dennist, no anything for Carmity,
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  Speaker 3: while the mom actually somehow fenangled house calls from a doctor.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know they even did that anymore.
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  Speaker 3: In addition to Lauren Colin joining US investigative journalist and
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  Speaker 3: doctor Michelle Dupree, doctor Bethany Marshall is with US renounced psychoanalyst,
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  Speaker 3: star on TV, author of a deal Breaker, went to
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  Speaker 3: work on a relationship and went to walk away. You
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  Speaker 3: can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com doctor Bethany, So,
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  Speaker 3: mommy actually somehow wrangled house calls from doctors, but she
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  Speaker 3: never thought to say to that doctor, Hey, could you
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  Speaker 3: look at my little Karmity, what's wrong with her? She's
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  Speaker 3: lethargic sometimes she seems like she's in a comma and
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  Speaker 3: all our teeth that run it out. You think she
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  Speaker 3: might do that?
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  Speaker 4: Nancy, did you notice in the picture of Carmity sitting
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  Speaker 4: in the tub that it was equipped with a handicap
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  Speaker 4: handle and had that white handle going over the side.
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  Speaker 4: So that tells us that somebody in that household was
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  Speaker 4: being cared for.
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  Speaker 3: The mom was extremely obese and probably needed that ladder
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  Speaker 3: to get in and out of the bathtub.
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  Speaker 1: Back on the mom is me, me, me, me, me,
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  Speaker 1: me me.
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  Speaker 3: According to this mommy forget about the baby. What were
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  Speaker 3: you saying, doctor Bethany?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Well, so the mom was taking care of herself
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  Speaker 4: medically and that. But because of that, we can rule
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  Speaker 4: out mental illness or person disorder. She knew what medical
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  Speaker 4: care was and she purposely deprived Carmity of that. Fatal
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  Speaker 4: starvation is extremely rare. It's the most rare form of
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  Speaker 4: child abuse. And you know what I find in clinical practice, Nancy,
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  Speaker 4: Children who are hit, children who are beaten, children who
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  Speaker 4: are raped fair better than children who are starved. And
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  Speaker 4: the reason for that is that when the child is raped, beaten,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, verbally abused, they at least know they
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  Speaker 4: exist in the eyes of the parent. They know there's
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  Speaker 4: some attachment, even if it's a ratual, full or a
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  Speaker 4: sexual attachment, Whereas when the child is starved and neglected,
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  Speaker 4: the child feels like an it. The child feels like
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  Speaker 4: there's no attachment with the parent, the parent does love them,
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  Speaker 4: and that they're not even a person. And so these
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  Speaker 4: types of neglects that children grow up into adults who
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  Speaker 4: are very, very compromised by the way this kind of
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  Speaker 4: starvation disrupts all of the brain circuits the developing So
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  Speaker 4: even if Carmedy had lived, she would have had gross
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  Speaker 4: dysfunction in the areas of learning, problem solving, and attaching
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  Speaker 4: to other people.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of the pictures, Dr Bethany Marshall, that's a really
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  Speaker 3: good idea.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Liz. Can we go through.
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  Speaker 3: The photos one by one because I'm noticing something in
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  Speaker 3: these photos.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see the photos.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, look around at everything. You see lots of toys,
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  Speaker 3: but you can't see Carmeny's teeth. Keep going she's got
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  Speaker 3: a smile. Okay, there you go. They're rotting. Why are
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  Speaker 3: her teeth rotting? Is she not going to the dentist?
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  Speaker 3: And of course okay, wait, wait, wait wait, this little
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  Speaker 3: girl only has many of her baby teeth. She doesn't
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  Speaker 3: have all of her adult teeth, and they're not falling
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  Speaker 3: out naturally for the tooth fairy to show up.
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  Speaker 1: They're rotting out.
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  Speaker 3: There's mommy in the background, teeth falling out. Some of
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  Speaker 3: these we got from the funeral home. Look around, you
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  Speaker 3: heard Lauren con Okay, that one strikes me. You can
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  Speaker 3: buy multiple beanie babies, but you can't take your daughter
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  Speaker 3: to the dentist or the doctor. In every shot she
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  Speaker 3: has teeth problems, and she's getting.
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  Speaker 1: Thinner and paler in every shot.
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  Speaker 3: Here she is with a little little was like a
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  Speaker 3: disney looking guitar and toys in the background, but in everyone,
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  Speaker 3: look how pale. And look at her teeth and some
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  Speaker 3: of them that Lauren Colin pointed out, you see junk
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  Speaker 3: food everywhere lying around right there. The teeth are practically
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  Speaker 3: all gone. But mommy's smiling for the camera like she
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  Speaker 3: doesn't know anything is wrong. So what happened to baby
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  Speaker 3: Oh there you go there, Look at all that junk food.
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  Speaker 3: I would do a backflip if my children were having
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  Speaker 3: junk food day in day out. As a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 3: Doctor Bethany Marshall, let me go back to you. The
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  Speaker 3: other day, John David and I had it out, my
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  Speaker 3: son now sixteen, one of my twins, had it out.
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  Speaker 3: Means we sat at the kitchen table and had a discussion,
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  Speaker 3: a stern discussion because I heard I heard he said
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  Speaker 3: the S word.
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  Speaker 1: You know what the S word is in our house.
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  Speaker 1: There's two of them.
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  Speaker 3: One is shut up, we don't say that, and the
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  Speaker 3: other s word not what you're thinking, get your mind
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  Speaker 3: out of the gutter.
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  Speaker 1: Is soda.
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  Speaker 3: I got wind that, John David Lynch, my big boy
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  Speaker 3: had gotten soda at school. Okay, so then I had
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  Speaker 3: to show him all the articles online about what it
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  Speaker 3: does to your stomach, how it rots nails if you
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  Speaker 3: leave the nail in the soda for an.
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  Speaker 1: Extended period of time. Just on and on and on
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  Speaker 1: about soda. Of course, he probably ran out and got
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  Speaker 1: another one.
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't around, but that said what this child had
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  Speaker 3: nothing nothing but baby bottles full of mountain do Doctor
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  Speaker 3: Bethany Nancy, this child was.
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  Speaker 1: Not a person to them.
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  Speaker 4: This child wasn't it. And all those toys, you see,
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  Speaker 4: you can get toys for free. You can go to
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  Speaker 4: a shelter, you can go to a toy giveaway, you
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  Speaker 4: can go to the neighbors. You know, toys get tossed
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  Speaker 4: around and you know, passed from household to household. So
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  Speaker 4: that didn't cost them anything. Food cost them something. And
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  Speaker 4: they resented any need this child had. They didn't want
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  Speaker 4: that child there. This child was prop and Nancy. Look
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  Speaker 4: at how Carmody is smiling and all of those photos. Tragically, Tragically,
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  Speaker 4: she loved her parents even though her parents did not
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  Speaker 4: let her back. That's what children do. They want the
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  Speaker 4: love of the parent, even when the parent does not
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  Speaker 4: care about them. But this fatal starvation, I think is
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  Speaker 4: worse than just deprivation. These parents wanted to see this
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  Speaker 4: child deteriorate because there were visible signs of it. I
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  Speaker 4: think at some point they wanted this child to die
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  Speaker 4: and they were hoping she would just go away. And
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  Speaker 4: the toys is to distract her so they don't have
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  Speaker 4: to play with her or take care of her.
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  Speaker 7: The lack of medical care for Carmody shocks investigators as
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  Speaker 7: they find Karmody's mother, Tamera Banks, had nearly lost a
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  Speaker 7: child ten years before the death of Carmody in much
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  Speaker 7: the same way. At that time, a four year old
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  Speaker 7: son of Banks falls into a coma from previously undiagnosed diabetes.
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  Speaker 7: Even after that child recovered, continued to neglect his medical needs,
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  Speaker 7: failing to have him seen by a doctor, and never
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  Speaker 7: attended any of his follow up appointments.
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  Speaker 3: As is so often the case, This is not the
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  Speaker 3: first time a baby girl Carmedy dead after living off
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  Speaker 3: nothing but mountain dew, baby bottles.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing.
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  Speaker 3: Choice Slaton is with me, high profile LA criminal defense
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  Speaker 3: attorney as Layton Lawyers named after himself. No one would
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  Speaker 3: claimed that's narcissistic at all, but Choice Layton. This is
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  Speaker 3: not her first time.
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  Speaker 1: At the rodeo. Did you hear the reporter? The investigative reporter.
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  Speaker 3: They find out that Carmody's mother, Tamra Banks, nearly lost
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  Speaker 3: a child ten years before Carmody's death the same way
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  Speaker 3: a four year old son same age Carmony falls into
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  Speaker 3: a coma for previously undiagnosed diabetes. Even after that little
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  Speaker 3: boy Banks recovered, she continued to neglect his medical needs.
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  Speaker 3: A why did the children get to stay in the home?
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  Speaker 3: But B there's no way she can claim what diabetes?
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  Speaker 3: Her son, then four, almost died the very same way.
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  Speaker 3: What about that, Troy Slayton, What are you going to
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  Speaker 3: do at trial now after I bring in that similar
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  Speaker 3: transaction on you, because you know I will.
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  Speaker 9: The death of any child is a tragedy, and the
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  Speaker 9: death of that beautiful little girl is absolutely a tragedy.
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  Speaker 9: But for us to sit here on our high horses,
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  Speaker 9: with our advanced degrees, you and me with juris doctorate degrees,
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  Speaker 9: everyone else here with doctorate degrees, and you with the
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  Speaker 9: smarts to know that you're not going to feed your
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  Speaker 9: child soda. I don't think that this was an issue
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  Speaker 9: of a mother not loving her daughter. This is a
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  Speaker 9: situation where somebody was just dumb. Somebody was really really stupid,
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  Speaker 9: and stupid does not equal criminal. This is somebody who
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  Speaker 9: clearly wanted to provide. She wanted to provide for her.
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  Speaker 9: There's toys everywhere, there's smiles, yes, there's Dorito's stained fingers.
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  Speaker 9: But this is a person who was stupid, not a
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  Speaker 9: person who wanted her child to be dead.
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  Speaker 1: Are you three. I hope so.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm just checking Curv brand joining me, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: so glad he's with US tonight. Former US Marshall in
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  Speaker 3: the International Investigations Branch, author of Flying Solo, Top of
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  Speaker 3: the World.
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  Speaker 1: That's part of a series of solo novels.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, here's a new one Solo Journey boot up Nights,
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  Speaker 3: Jack Solo mystery novel. Okay, Irv Brandt, I'd love to
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  Speaker 3: keep going on and on about all of your accomplishments
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  Speaker 3: in all of your books about Jack Solo AKAAU. But
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  Speaker 3: how many times have you heard a defense attorney be
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  Speaker 3: a horrible defense attorney or an excellent defense attorney renowned
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  Speaker 3: in his feel like Slayton.
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  Speaker 1: Say they're not bad, Du're just stupid.
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  Speaker 3: You think stupid people can't commit horrible crimes like letting
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  Speaker 3: this little girl die.
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  Speaker 10: Me And see, you're exactly right. Stupid is not a
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  Speaker 10: defense and for defense counsel. I don't have an advanced degree.
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  Speaker 10: You see my degree over my shoulder. It's a bachelor's degree.
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  Speaker 10: I don't have a doctorate like the rest of you.
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  Speaker 10: And so I'll tell you, from my point of view,
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  Speaker 10: this is horrifying and this is criminal. It's not neglect,
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  Speaker 10: it's not a mistake. This is criminal intent when you're
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  Speaker 10: talking about this type of abuse. And unfortunately, this little girl,
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  Speaker 10: I can't believe that a family member or a friend
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  Speaker 10: or someone didn't call child welfare services. If she would
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  Speaker 10: have lived long enough to get into school, perhaps that
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  Speaker 10: could have saved her life, because I know teachers and
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  Speaker 10: people like that. You know that this would have been
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  Speaker 10: reported if she would have made it into school, and
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  Speaker 10: you know, possibly, you know, teachers, healthcare workers would have
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  Speaker 10: been able to see her, and this tragedy could have
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  Speaker 10: been prevented.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I guess so, Brandt. All of her teeth were
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  Speaker 1: rotting out.
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  Speaker 3: That have to know something was very, very wrong, Doctor
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  Speaker 3: Michelle Duprey again, and I know it's really hard for you,
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  Speaker 3: with all of your medical degree and experience and education
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  Speaker 3: to please talk regular English, not Latin phrases or medical phrases. Please,
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  Speaker 3: What does diabetes do to you? Why are this child's
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  Speaker 3: teeth rotted out? Nancy is because of the sugar. Sugar,
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  Speaker 3: As you know, sugar causes cavities in our teeth. And
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  Speaker 3: she had no dental care whatsoever. She had too much sugar.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, thirty six.
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  Speaker 8: Grams of sugar for a woman adult is the max.
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  Speaker 8: She had much more than that in the Mountain do
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  Speaker 8: and it basically rotted out her.
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  Speaker 1: But what does it do to your body?
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  Speaker 3: Like? Why did she and her brother both go into
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  Speaker 3: a coma again because of too much sugar and not
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  Speaker 3: being able to handle that in your body? Let me see,
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  Speaker 3: This is why I had to go over every line
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  Speaker 3: of an autopsy report with the doctor until I could
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  Speaker 3: understand what she's saying.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 3: Let me take you back in time, remember still Magnolia's.
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  Speaker 3: Remember when Julia Roberts, who is diabetic, fell over and died.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: She went into a diabetic coma and she died. Okay,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: why did she die? I know it's because you have
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: too much sugar. I get that, But what happens to
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: your body? I mean, I can say she had too
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: much sugar, but what physically happens to your body?
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Why do you go into.
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: A coma because there's too much sugar overload and your
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: liver then starts to break down fat in our body,
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: fat produces acid when it's an overload, and that acidic
• 21:38
  Speaker 8: are in your blood then causes you to go into
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: this coma. If it's not resolved, you die from that.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm starting to understand a little bit of what
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: you're saying. This little girl is dead after a very
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: short life, subsisting on nothing but baby bottles of mountain dew.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: That's what she had for four years. But what more
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: do we.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Learn about the fingerprint crime committed on her brother?
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: Tamra Banks's oldest son, Jerry Banks, says what happened to
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: Carmody isn't a first for his mother. Jerry Banks says,
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: ten years ago, his little brother went lethargic, wouldn't move.
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: The only thing he would respond to his sugar. Jerry
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: Banks says this goes on for about thirty six hours
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: until he forces Tamra Banks to take his brother to
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: the hospital. Doctors were able to save the boy, who
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: was four years old at the time, the same age
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: as Carmody. Looking into the diabetes related brain injury death
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: of Carmody Hope, investigators find the little girl has never
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: been formally diagnosed with diabetes. They also discover her mother,
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: Tamra Banks, has been feeding the four year old a
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: mixture of mountain dew and baby formula through a bottle
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: long after she should have been weaned off the bottle,
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: causing her teeth to rot. Her teeth are almost all rotted,
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: but no record can be found of her parents taking
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: her to a dentist.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, doctor Michelle Duprey joining me. Okay, doctor Dupriy, Sorry,
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: but I feel like I'm wrestling you on this, but
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: I'm not giving up. I'm going back in the ring
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: with you. Duprey does Okay? I know diabetes. You can
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: be born with diabetes. You can develop diabetes even if
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: you have a good diet. But can a regular diet
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: of nothing but this mountain dew? How many grams of sugar?
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Does seventy seven grams of sugar in one of these?
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: So if she had three or four, five or six
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: baby bottles a day of this, sometimes mixed with formula,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: can you create diabetes because of your diet? Can you
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: eat so many sweets and just so much mountain dew
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: that that gives you diabetes?
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 23:56
  Speaker 8: Essentially, Nancy, You're absolutely correct, because again, the sugar overall,
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: it's what causes you to starve then not being able
• 24:03
  Speaker 8: to handle it, and your body starts breaking down fat
• 24:06
  Speaker 8: causing the acid. You know, our body is in a
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: state of equilibrium between acid and base, and when one
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: of those is out of whack, then it causes serious
• 24:15
  Speaker 8: injury to the body, and in this case, it's over
• 24:18
  Speaker 8: and over acid and that's what caused the death.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: As we're trying to figure out exactly how the mom
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: could have not known what was happening.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Back to Troy Slayton, dare I do it? Troy? Your
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: argument that, hey, she doesn't have a PhD like all
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: of you do.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: I hear you, And if I were used that you
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: have nowhere else to go, I'd probably argue the same
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: thing if I was a defense attorney. But that said,
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: duly noted, what about the fact that the same thing
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: happened a few years before with Carmeny's older brother when
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: he was four years old, he went into a diabetic
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: coma after being fed the Lord only knows what, almost died.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: And the mom was.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Forced to take him to the hospital by family members.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: He was in a diabetic coma, same.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Thing, So how can you argue with a straight face
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: she didn't have a PAHD where she knew this because
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: it happened before to her son.
• 25:20
  Speaker 9: So this is what we would call in the defense business. Nancy,
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: A bad fact. That's something that you're gonna have to
• 25:27
  Speaker 9: deal with. This is a woman who clearly couldn't deal
• 25:31
  Speaker 9: with her own self. All the pictures that you show
• 25:35
  Speaker 9: she is morbidly obese. Her own teeth are decayne. She's
• 25:39
  Speaker 9: brought into courtroom in a wheelchair. She can't even support
• 25:42
  Speaker 9: her own weight. This is not the picture of health.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Guess who else just got wheeled into the courtroom and
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: a cut his mic? Guess who else just got wheeled
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: into the court in a wheelchair? Harvey Weinstein? You think
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: I care that he now has his lawyers by him
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: atop of the wine wheelchair to get rolled into the courtroom. Atlno.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: And the fact that this mom comes in in a wheelchair, really,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: you know what, I don't care. I don't care because
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: even in a wheelchair, this mom could have ordered this
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: child food. She didn't have to prepare it. And in
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: all the photos you see, she's not in a wheelchair.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: She's in a wheelchair now now that she's charged with
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: the death of her child.
• 26:25
  Speaker 9: She didn't keep her house clean, she didn't know how
• 26:28
  Speaker 9: to manage her own weight, she didn't know how to
• 26:30
  Speaker 9: manage her own teeth. Her husband also not the picture
• 26:35
  Speaker 9: of health. These are not people that knew how to
• 26:38
  Speaker 9: take care of themselves, let alone know how to take
• 26:41
  Speaker 9: care of a child.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: You really think that's going to win over a jury. Okay,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: you know what, doctor Bethany Marshall. Can you hear him? Yes,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: it's like a mosquito buzzing around my head. I keep
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: hearing it and.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I can't catch it and make it stop. Respond to him.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: Okay, Nancy. Defense attorneys use the word stupidity. It drives
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: me crazy because this was not stupidity. That's not a defense.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: This is a mother who resented the needs of her child.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: That is a psychology of this. She did not want
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: to provide for her child, so she was hoping that
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: her child would die as soon as possible. That is
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: the bottom line. You can't get around it if you
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: look at Okay, Troy, look at any scholarly article on
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: fatal starvation, and what you'll see called philicide.
• 27:34
  Speaker 9: Oh my goodness, she had every toy. She had every
• 27:38
  Speaker 9: toy available for her child.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: She had the Mickey Mouse guitar.
• 27:42
  Speaker 9: She's in a sea of mini mouses.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, A lot of those came free from McDonald's.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Go ahead. Okay, So if you look at the.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: Literature on fatal starvation, it's interchangeably used with philicide. So
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: all the scholarly literature really links starving a child to
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: purposely killing the child. This is Childreywhere in the literature,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: this is just the Troy. I'm sure you do. I'm
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: sure you do research when you go into court. You
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: cannot get around the psychology of this woman. This woman
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: was also a hoarder, so she did not even take
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: care of her house, herself, her child. But I want
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: to say furthermore, she did not want this.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Child to have needs.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: She did not. She used the cheapest form of keeping
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: a child alive so she wouldn't have to spend her
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: own money. I mean, how shallow is that? And do
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: you know what, hey, okay, you know what, Troy, all
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: those toys. She was trying to keep the child busy
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: so she didn't have to take care of the child.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: I would like to point something out, guys, very quickly,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Troy Slayton, you got to think again about your argument.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: And I know what you're doing, Troy. You're doing what
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: any good defenses turning would do when your back is
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: against the wall.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: You have nowhere to go. You make something up. My mom, my.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Brother, and sister, and I are first generation college Okay.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: My mother didn't have a PhD. She didn't even have
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: a Bachelor of Arts or Bachelor of Science a four years.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: She didn't have an associates degree two years.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: She grew up working on a farm with an anonymous
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: donor providing her music lessons so she could go on
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: to play cello in the symphony and the piano and
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: the organ where you play with your hands and your
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: feet at the same time. She never ever had the
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: kind of education you're talking about, nor.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Did my dad. But on the weekends, you know what
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: we did while other kids are out of arcade.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: We were in the fields of our friends, our neighbors,
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: and our church friends because they would allow us, because
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: my mom played for the church for free, to pick
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: produce and then we will cook it, and then we
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: would have it fresh veggies, fresh fruit that we would
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: pick ourselves. I'm not telling your hard luck story.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I'm glad that happened. But my mom didn't have what
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: you're talking about, a PhD.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Her mother grew up working in a tile factory for
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Pete's sake, working a farm. They didn't have a PhD.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: But they cared about their children. And you want to
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: tell me everybody on that jury wouldn't care about their children.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: It's complete bs. I don't think you're being fair to
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: all the parents out there that didn't have the benefits
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: and luxuries.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: My parents gave me to get through law school.
• 30:51
  Speaker 9: Because most parents have basic common sense, which clearly this
• 30:55
  Speaker 9: woman didn't. Most people have a basic moticum of an
• 31:00
  Speaker 9: understanding of basic nutrition, but that doesn't mean everybody does.
• 31:05
  Speaker 9: I would venture to guess that this woman wasn't working,
• 31:07
  Speaker 9: and that she was on some sort of disability welfare program.
• 31:12
  Speaker 9: She was just being given money. She wasn't didn't have
• 31:16
  Speaker 9: the street smarts that your mom and grandma had. She
• 31:20
  Speaker 9: didn't have that institutional knowledge in her family. She just
• 31:24
  Speaker 9: gave the child what she thought was needed in that moment,
• 31:27
  Speaker 9: to make the child happy, to put a smile on
• 31:30
  Speaker 9: the kid's face.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: When you give a kid.
• 31:31
  Speaker 9: Candy, does a kid smile or does a kid say, Oh, no,
• 31:35
  Speaker 9: I don't want to eat that candy. That's not healthy
• 31:37
  Speaker 9: for me.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: The kid's gonna gobble it all up.
• 31:39
  Speaker 9: Whatever they can.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: Carmody dies as a direct result of neglect and abuse
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: from her parents. Carmody dies from diabetic keto acidosis or
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: d KA, which is an extreme complication of untreated diabetes.
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: Left untreated, it can cause coma and death, as in
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: Carmody's case.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: So, day by day, she watched her.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Little girl get more and more pale. She watched her
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: daughter's teeth wrought out one by one, and she continued
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: to feed her nothing but baby bottles full of mountain dew,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: seventy plus grams of sugar for one of these? How
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: many of these did the baby girl have every day?
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: And it's not just Carmedy.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Carmeny's older brother went into a diabetic coma when he
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: was also four years old and had to be rushed
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: to the hospital in a coma. He lived, but after
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: that faithful night, mommy continued to ignore the child's medical
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: niece And hey, daddy, I'm not letting you off the hook.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: You're going down to You're just as responsible as mommy.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to figure out how this was kept from relatives, family, friends, neighbors.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: I'm very curious why people don't come forward. IRV Brent
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: is joining us who has traveled all around the world
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: apprehending dangerous criminals.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: You know what, I think part of it is IRV.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: And the reason I introduced you that way is people
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: have in their minds who is a killer, what that
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: killer would look like. You might think of a sex
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: pervert as a guy wearing a trench coat at the
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: corner of a children's park. You may think a killer
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: as showing up and a malaclava over his face, or
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: carrying two guns. You don't think the mommy and the
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: home next to you are in the apartment next to you.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: The mommy that smiles at you as she goes through
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: a car during the day, or spot her at the
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: grocery store, you don't think of her being a killer, right,
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: But you've seen killers in all shapes and sizes way.
• 34:16
  Speaker 10: In No, that's exactly right, Nancy. It's just what you said.
• 34:21
  Speaker 10: In your mind, you have a preconceived notion of what
• 34:25
  Speaker 10: this person should look like, what this person should act like.
• 34:29
  Speaker 10: An evil person, you know, something from the movies, something
• 34:33
  Speaker 10: from a novel, and there is no type. I'm sure
• 34:37
  Speaker 10: this woman the neighbors. If you went and talked to
• 34:40
  Speaker 10: the neighbors about how nice she was, and they can't
• 34:44
  Speaker 10: believe that this happened because they could never conceive of
• 34:48
  Speaker 10: it in their mind. This is the part that I
• 34:51
  Speaker 10: find most complexing about this case is that no one
• 34:56
  Speaker 10: took notice that this little girl was dying right in
• 35:01
  Speaker 10: front of them, to watch her waste away like she
• 35:06
  Speaker 10: did until she finally went into a coma and couldn't
• 35:09
  Speaker 10: be revived. That's the part that I just can't understand,
• 35:14
  Speaker 10: and it's so tragic because it was so avoidable.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Parents that think they're doing the right thing, could they
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: really be thinking that?
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I don't believe it.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: This mom is by far not the first to kill
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: their child by what they feed them.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Listen.
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: She lo O Leary calls nine to one one in
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: Cape Coral, Florida, seeking help for her eighteen month old
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: son who is cold and not breathing. I thought he's
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: arrived and the malnourished child is pronounced dead. Ohlary tells
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: police they are vegans on a raw food diet of mangoes, bananas,
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: and avocados, but the toddler had not eaten solid food
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: in a week due to teething, so he had just
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: had breast milk. The medical examiner says the boy weighed
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: just seventeen pounds and died for malnutrition. She Lo Oliria
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: convicted a first degree murder and more sentenced to life
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: in prison.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Okay, what about that Slatin feeding the baby a raw
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: sued diet of mangoes, bananas, and avocados till the baby dies?
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: What about them? They're enlightened vegans.
• 36:17
  Speaker 9: It's the same. It's awful, it's tragic, and it's clearly
• 36:21
  Speaker 9: people that don't understand how to nourish a human. I mean,
• 36:26
  Speaker 9: we can have days of discussions versus veganism, versus carnivore,
• 36:31
  Speaker 9: versus all types of other diets, but clearly this is
• 36:35
  Speaker 9: just another parent who didn't have the brains to know
• 36:39
  Speaker 9: how to take care of themselves, let alone take care
• 36:43
  Speaker 9: of a child.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: I bet you that mom wasn't living off nothing but soda.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: I bet she was having full on meals and the
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: dad too, So why not the child? Dr Bethany Marshall,
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: you know this.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: Mother besides not wanting this child to live, the mother
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: was not bonded with this child. I've treated mothers in
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: my practice who are not bonded with their children. They
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: love to go out in public, go to parties, smile,
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: get a lot of attention. One moment in this past week,
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: a female patient said, you know, my happiest moment today
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: was when I was grocery shopping and saying hi to
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: everybody and seeing people I knew. Meanwhile, she spoke viciously
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: about her child. So not only are these mothers not bonded,
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: but I think we have to consider that homicide can
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: be formulated at an unconscious level. So while she may
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: not even consciously say, oh, I'm going to starve my
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: child to death, at some level, she's thinking, oh, goodie,
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: my child is not going to be here at some point.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: That's why a fatal starvation, child neglect through starvation, and
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: philicide are all linked. They are one and the same.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: They're not two separate things. Homicide and neglect go hand
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: in hand.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: Is a four year old with a big personality nicknamed Boogie.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: She loves being silly and taking pictures, smiling big and
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: saying cheese, waking up with great joy and energy. She
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: loves playing with her Mickey Buddies and racing car. Carmody
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: is the type of child that warms the hearts of
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: everyone she comes in contact.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: You know where we got those words, those exact words
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: from four year old Kromeny's obituary that was written by
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: her mom and dad that killed her by mountain dew.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: The mountain dew baby bottle. Baby four year old Caromeny
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: is now dead from horrible implications resulting from diabetes brought
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: onto a four year diet of nothing but mountain dew
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: and a baby bottle, sometimes mixed with formula. But it's
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: by far the first time a parent is killed by ingestion.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Listen.
• 39:03
  Speaker 7: An obese three year old weighs sixty six pounds. His
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: mother is warned about proper diet. She feeds him junk food,
• 39:08
  Speaker 7: telling teachers at school he's too sickly to do any
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: physical fitness. As a teen, he's hospitalized with a heart
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: condition brought on by obesity. In the hospital, mom sneaks
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: fast food to her son until he dies of heart
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: failure at fifteen. Parents of another more bidle obese boy
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: are warned he could die if he doesn't lose weight.
• 39:23
  Speaker 7: At seven, his body mass index should be fourteen, his
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: is thirty. Parents ignore doctors and give the boy junk
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: food until he weighs over one hundred and seventy five
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: pounds at ten years old and has a heart attack
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: and his declared brain dead.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, what is wrong with these people?
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: You know, it's hard to even say, Nancy, you know,
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: little Hart, because there's so many motivations, but always, always
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: at the root of it is not wanting the child
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: to have needs and feeling that the child is unconditionally bad.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: I once treated a mother who was not bonded with
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: her children. They were all in a business to together,
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: and whenever it came time to pay the children their paychecks,
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: she would come in and insist to me that her
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: adult children were stealing from her. Okay, so she didn't
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: see that she was providing for them. She thought they
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: were stealing from her. Furthermore, children that are subjected to
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: fatal starvation, you almost always see that there's a padlock
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: on the fridge. Have you seen that where the parents
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: put chains on the fridge because they do not want
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: their children to have food they do not want to provide.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Doctor Michelle Duprey, renowned forensic pathologists, medical examiner, and a
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: former detective with the Sheriff's Department. You've conducted well around
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  Speaker 3: ten thousand autopsies. Does it ever matter to you clinically
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  Speaker 3: or medically, whether the per has a pH D, like
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  Speaker 3: Troce Layton was pointing out or not.
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  Speaker 8: No, Nancy, it never does. And sometimes in these cases
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  Speaker 8: we also find that this can be a personality disorder
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  Speaker 8: of the mother who was trying to get attention for
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  Speaker 8: herself because her child is always so sick. It's called
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  Speaker 8: munch house in my prodixy, and that may also be
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  Speaker 8: a fact. But no, this is absolutely she's able to
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  Speaker 8: take care of herself. She sees a doctor. That's no excuse.
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  Speaker 8: Stupidity is not an excuse.
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  Speaker 1: Investigative journalist Lauren Conlin, what happened to these two demons
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  Speaker 1: from hell? The mom and dad?
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  Speaker 6: So Tamra got sentenced nine years and her husband is
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: do back in court in the middle of June, and
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: he could face up to thirteen years. So let's see
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  Speaker 6: what happens.
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  Speaker 3: I'm ready nine years, nine years. Carmeny is dead and
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  Speaker 3: she got a reduced play to involuntary manslaughter on nine years.
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  Speaker 3: She'll be out in about four count on. It we
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  Speaker 3: stop and we remember American hero Deputy Sheriff Michael Brown
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  Speaker 3: from Cordel, Georgia, just twenty six. Sheriff Brown shot and
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  Speaker 3: killed in the line of duty on a traffic stop
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  Speaker 3: an Army National Guard Vet Deputy. Sheriff Brown leaves behind
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  Speaker 3: a grieving mother and stepfather, Christina and Tom, brothers Jason
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  Speaker 3: and Jeff, and his beloved dog Jenny. Sheriff Ty Brown Hero.
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  Speaker 3: I want to thank all of our guests for being
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  Speaker 3: with us tonight, leading us on a very rocky path
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  Speaker 3: to justice. Nancy Gray signing off, good night friend.